+Beriorn I don't believe two men slapped each other for 30 hours without serious injury. In India there are ascetics that slap themselves for sometimes hours and end up bleeding.
Slapping in a serious fight can be useful, but not on the cheek. You slap someone on the ear.. the air pressure and sound deafen and disorient pretty badly and can even pop your eardrum when done at full force. Try softly slapping yourself on the ear, it's already pretty bad.
+Lindybeige In American football they outlawed the open-hand slap to the side of the helmet long before the current concerns regarding concussions. Even with a helmet, the concussive shock is enough to stun you. Of course, we're talking plastic instead of metal, but I'm guessing in a hotly contested melee a hard slap to the side of your opponent's helmet may just stun him just enough to give you an opening for an attack, escape, or takedown.
+Lindybeige The concussive force still remains. You've mentioned that you've done 'Kung Fu' yet from what you've said in this video, open hand techniques are not something you've encountered which seems a little strange. An open palmed blow to the side of the head, depending on the practitioner and their training, will do a little bit more than just sting a little.
The Ottoman slap is basically used for a (very) hard slap nowadays. But there is a myth that Ottoman soldiers (Deliler; translation: crazies/madmen) trained by oiling their hands with olive oil, and slapping marmer. And during war they went there with their burial robe to the front line, expecting to die. It is claimed that these soldiers were so strong, that they could slap a horse down. PS: A slap in general can be pretty useful, if you hit someone on their ear for example. It might be even more effective than trying to hit him with your fist. Even in Martial Arts you can rupture someone's eardrum if you slap them very hard.
Old Turks didn't know punching, the main unarmed martial art was wrestling. And for them, to hit someone with back of your hand was an insult. Slapping was a proper way of fighting without insulting your opponent.
it is not they didnt know. it was considered disrespectful in fight between individuals. Whoever used it first would be shamed. Slap on the other hand carried an expression of warning, authority, class which is meant to finish a fight. Also slapping someone is mentally more effective since it makes a distinct noise.
One of my ancestors was an janissary and he told my grandpa a story. There were special soldiers called the ,,Deliler” (the crazies) and they ran into the battle just with pants, a shield and eagle wings on their back. They knocked out horses with the slap or slapped their enemies and their enemies bones in the face were broken. These guys trained the slap since they were taken from home and raised as a janissary
@kalacaptain4818 No, they weren't eunuchs eunuchs are the guardians of harem sultan's wives. Janissaries were "officially" not allowed to marry or have children because they must devote their life to the sultan and the state In my region, there was a line from the local ruling dynasty that had inherited the job of janissary for several generations
Imagine training half your life studying the blade, spear, bow, horse, war, and estate management. All to be the special OPs forces of the medieval battlefield. Only to have your horse knocked out by a single slap and you get knocked out by the follow-up. All before your retainers can step in. Wake up a few hours later with a broken face..... 😂
+Horatio Caine There is actually a Turkish TV show called Osmanli Tokadi (Ottoman Slap). You can pretty much watch the whole show in TH-cam. No English subtiles though.
Hey Lindybeige, Turk here. The problem is not the practicality of a slap or not. The problem is the reality of this legend. You see, Ottoman army (they are not Turks by the way) has a lot of legends, because their lack of written material especially compared to Japanese armies. But there are some myths that some group of Ottoman Janisseries (called "Crazies"?) were trained by slapping marble stones. Therefore they could kill a man by just a slap (remember Eastern Monk legends, fist of death etc...). This also made them crazy strong and swing weapons with incredible strength. So you see, "Ottoman slap" is not a real "war strategy" but a "training technique". Real or not, I don't know.
+Bonecrusher Similar to how some martial arts practice resistance training by striking solid objects. Certainly not a new idea, I could see how easily the relative craziness of seeing some guy going at it with a rock (essentially) could bloom into war stories.
+Bonecrusher I have seen someone slapping a brick into two pieces (I can't find it anymore on YT), so there might be a grain of truth in that war propaganda. Also, if you got a gauntlet and a bracer your arm has another 1-2kg added. Usually, 1kg in the hand is enough to kill someone.
+Bonecrusher Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (Ataturk = Father of all Turks) argues the Ottoman people were in fact Turks. The empire itself spanned over several ethnic tribal borders which I guess is where you impression comes from. That is like saying Romans were not Italian, true there were Roman citizens from other nations, but the Romans themselves were in fact Italian.
+Tom Ryder I've seen guys that constantly whack themselves in the head with a plank, and the x-rays show their skulls are an inch thick, which is about four times normal. Bone is a living, reactive organ, just like muscle, and responds to repetitive stress. The same guys make a habit of kicking down palm trees with their shins, which are also hugely modified. Saw it in some doco, once.
Ur not mexican bro coz "Turk" DNA not mean only genetic its about soul and ancient rules if you search a littlebit u will see... if you have Turkish blood this is made u always Turk and we never chance for nothin this Bro. You always welcome here.
@@ilufoobadfly brother my dad's family originates all the way back from there but that don't mean i just got turk DNA on me my mom's family is mixed now how mixed hell if i know, that's the beauty of mexico
@@ABEL-cd2sp Don't ever fool by others words , if you believe you are Turk , you are a Turk ... Becuase , Turk gens are so mixed due Turk's massive empires so if you feel Turk , you are 👍 ...
There are books written how to Ottoman Slap was being used against enemies in Ottoman fighters were proffesinols , kept trained from child ages till die As i know, some big guys trained for Ottoman slapping They had a course of slapping wet marbles to harden their claws And the right techic is rising up and using all your body weight to slap a face
andrew strongman are you desperate? Find yourself a hobby, you can find better ways spending time than writing someone who should not be taken seriously
As mentioned below, Ottoman slap generally used by an infantry division called Azaps.These men were start slap trainings during their childhood.In addition they were not going to battle disarmed.They use swords and slapping comes in handy when the opponent disarmed you (which is a common thing), you can simply slap them.It is also an efficient way to struck fear into enemies. Ottomans used psychologic warfare tactics very long time.
There was a special unit in the Ottoman army named “Deliler”, means “The Crazy Men” (doesn’t translate that well) who’se spesific role was to charge and confuse the enemy. They were unarmed, bald, generally topless and as the name suggests, crazy. They were equipped with tribal like accecories and would yell maniacally while charging. Ofc these units didn’t got used that much cause they can’t really do shit against pikes and spearmen, but when one came close to the opponent they could fracture his cheekbones. Doing this was achieved by aiming the slap in a spesific angle, and slapping with all your might. The broken bone pieces could potentially stab the soldier and inflict an internal wound, potentially even stabbing the brain and killing the target. The slap was also used as a last-resort by the soldiers when they dropped their weapon and couldn’t pick it up. Their goal was to stagger the enemy long enough to pick their weapon again, if not to knock them out. The regular infantrymen couldn’t care less about their bones breaking cause it was a life or death situation if you had to use the damn slap anyways. Using slaps in battle is a common practice when one’s unarmed and has to keep fighting. This isn’t Ottoman spesific as it was used all around Europe.
deliler kılıç, mızrak kullanan süvarilerdir. benekli hayvan derisinden kıyafetler veya hayvan başlarından miğfer giyen öncü süvariler bunlar görev aynı, düşmanı korkutmak ve şok amaçlı kullanılan birlikler. yukarıda yapılan bir yorumdaki gibi bilinenin aksine osmanlı tokadını kullananlar özel olarak azaplarda değil. azaplar hafif zırhlı ön cephede kışkırtma amaçlı kullanılan manevra birlikleridir, hilal taktiğinin uygulanabilmesi ( süvarinin kanattan sarabilmesi) için merkez cephede yeniçerinin önünde hafif menzilli silahlar ile ilk saldırıyı başlatıp hızlıca çekilmeye girerler. osmanlı tokadı her türk askerinin uyguladığı bir yöntem. özel olarak bir gruba ait kesinlikle değil senelerce bize tarih derslerinde söylenen yalanlardan birisi bu. Bu ve bu tarz kanallarda göreceğin üzere 1v1 combatta savaş sırasında silah kırılmaları düşmeleri çok sık rastlanan bir durum ve osmanlı tokadı bu durumlar için türk askerine öğretilen bir teknik. hiçbir osmanlı askeri savaşa silahsız gitmemiştir.
I think anything above a hard shove is considered 'excessive force' when dealing with Tau in melee. ((Although, thank you for giving me the image of Sly Marbo just slapping Tau left and right. Dear Omnissiah, someone please draw that!))
I was there that day Sly Marbo wreaked such slaughter amongst the "warriors" of the Tau- many were felled and one fully cleaved in two from from the tremors emanating from his mighty face obliterating hand! And through out the thundering battle, the shrieking metal crash of mech suits as they were dashed into the rocks melting into the death screams of twisted & broken pilots, at no time did his expression change and I would swear he never so much as blinked...... by the throne it was glorious!
Many martial arts have palm techniques which look on the outside like "slaps". It is an advanced technique, sometimes called the iron palm, sometimes called the "soft" calm. With proper technique this can generate and project a lot of force in a small motion. To make this strike effective takes more skill development and practice than a punch, but once perfected it is not something you want to be hit with.
Doesn't quite apply to armored battlefield combat, but this is what I know form personal experience about a real slap. In Systema, (Russian combat system) we use slaps frequently, it has a different feel from a punch, more of a lingering hit. The nice thing is that it relaxes the target area very quickly when you do it right, using the natural heavyness of you arm, without tensing too much. We've done drills where we take down the attacker or disarm them using nothing but slaps. Done correctly, it's a hell of a useful technique. It wouldn't do jack against armor, but still, it does have very practical use for unarmored opponents. Love your channel, by the way.
When I was in school I had a friend who was squaring up with another guy (who pretty much knew he would lose that fight) and he slapped my friend for my friend to instantly defuse and go "...did you just slap me?" so I guess it's useful in that it's so bad it's good lol
+Nasmr you'd be supprised. getting slapped stings and combined with the concussive force of the impact from a good slap can stun you for a second, and in a fight that's all you need. stun your opponent for a second and you have an opening to land 2-3 good strikes, or to tangle them up with a lock. though word of advice it only works once, and best as the opening move before the adrenalin kicks in, afterwards it works about as well as you can expect. that said if the fight isn't actually serious a good slap can sometimes defuse the situation (as with your friend) but other times it can make it much worse, it's one of those things you have to judge (unless you plan to follow it up with something more serious)
Always happy to see someone else identify Lars is nothing more then a trickshooter using vague historical representations to validate a prosperous technique as 'traditional'.
Unfortunately, I think I could have internet with a 100000 terabit connection and it wouldn't matter cause I have a laptop with a processor like a pocket calculator. 480p all the way for me ;(
Lindy, can you do another 'movie critique' series on Lord of the Rings? Curious to see what you think about the battles and fight scenes in the films. Thanks, and keep up the great work!
imagine you are some soldier, one of the best europe has to offer.... and you get one-tap slapped by some random dude with a big mustache and a chef hat
Well now my next character has to be a plate-wearing Ottoman Slapper with inordinately thick custom gauntlets that cover the insides of the fingers and palm. It'll be glorious
in a matter of minutes you became my favorite channel. all it took was a slight scroll of the page to see that most videos involve questions that fancy my curiosity. but sealing the deal is your brainstorming and skeptical thinking. Most people don't even question what they see before them but all they really know is the label. you are among the few who can think in conceptual possibilities. everyone can be skeptical thinkers, but having an objects label doesn't mean you know anything about it, well besides it name. I'm sure you've checked your garage for dragons a number of times, great videos man keep at it!
Bas Rutten was the UFC champion and Pankration champion using the "Ottoman Slap". I can think of worse things to do on the battlefield than that. Clearly proven to be an effective martial art technique.
At 4:20, why not just go for a punch into Adam's apple? The windpipe is weak enough to get crunched , especially given the axe wielder forward momentum.
While playing (amateur) American Football, some Linemen (the big guys) would sometimes do what you call in the video an Ottoman slap (to try to dislodge, or maybe provoke you). I don't know if it's on account of modern helmets, but other then a fraction of a second of disorientation, because the head will unexpectedly move for about a third of a meter if it's a big guy hitting hard, I haven't felt any effects other then some outrage (and anger). So probably helmet slapping - Ottoman style - wouldn't be that effective as a combat fighting technique.
One note about padded/boxing gloves. You said “even” in those gloves, implying that boxing gloves aren’t as impactful as fists, but from what I’ve seen in research they don’t actually reduce the effectiveness of your punches, they are only there to protect your hand (as you mentioned, punching is an easy way to break something). Theoretically, because you can punch harder with less risk of injury, padded/boxing gloves are MORE dangerous than bare fists.
The bigger surface area reduces the risk for the one being punched aswell. Normally the force would be exerted over just the knuckles which are much smaller and therefore have a risk to crack or fracture the opponents skull with the drawback of you breaking your hand
@@lolic4712 Gloves reduce cuts and breaks but increase concussions and long term brain damage. The extra mass adds to the momentum more than the loss of speed takes away; that gets mostly transferred to the opponent's head/neck and ultimately their brain moves about inside their skull more.
Yep sure is. But we practice that slap to be fast, down angled and you drop you body weight with it too. It's quite effective against the face, as well as the arm. Cheers!
pretty sure Pak Sau is a jeung (palm strike), chung jeung or wang jeung if you hit your opponent with it. Pak sau (as a defensive move) is very short ranged, that guy had to be within elbow distance or less to be hit by pak sao. Or, if done in a circular motion, it was a lan sao.
If one goes for haymaker slap with the heel of the palm, leading with fingers pointed into a beak shape and snapping the heel of the palm forward just before contact one can double the speed of travel at time of impact. Just a quick tip from some old Chinese women...
@lindybeige As a martial artist the slap has it's place, but calling a ottman slap/fighting slap a slap is not really fair. The kind of slap most people think of is either the pimp slap, or the backhand bitchslap (sorry ladies! but you know what I'm saying!). Both are fairly limp wrist in nature, and meant to sting rather than injure - you don't want to damage the goods afteral. However, as a martial artist even a grappler, strikes have their place, and a proper slap to the ear, eyes, or groin can vary in effectiveness from moderately disorienting, to down right devastating. I proper slap is not limp wristed at all, it's basically a sideways palm heel strike, or if aimed at the ear, more of a cupped strike. The ear clap strike CAN MAIM. It can burst eardrums, you can carefully test this just by cupping your hand and gentle clapping your hand over your ear (very very gently at first), if you get even the slightest air seal the air pressure combined with the impact can ruin your whole day. So be very careful. If you miss the ear but get close, there are a lot of nerves on the side of the head behind the jaw, people get knocked out from being hit there with moderate force ALL the time. If you miss that, there is still the temple, and while a knuckle worked better, a palm heel strike to a temple can be lethal. A full power strike like these could be lights out if it lands. The problem with ANY head based strike is landing it. It takes training to hit even a stationary target accurately, to do it to one that is moving and trying to dodge you or bock you is hard or even impossible. Remember, there are people who train all day NOT to get hit just like you might train all day TO hit. This is why when push comes to shove, most toe to toe brawls go to the floor with people grappling. But if you watch close, most real fights start with some kind of surprise punch, sometimes it's a slap, not a bitch slap, but an open hand strike. An ottoman slap, sideways palm heel, tiger strike, whatever. Even untrained, it's devastating. Usually (I'd say 8 out of 10 times) the guy who hits first (including palm heel/ottoman slaps) wins the fight. I see it all the time in the security footage I watch to supplement my training. Hope this helps your perspective a bit more!
Jgigas OMFG ROFL! you are too funny! Like I said, never damage the goods ^.^ But in all seriousness, I'm a pacifist. I never resort to violence to solve problems when a peaceful solution can be found. However, I also believe in the right to self defense. If i get attacked I become a passafist, as in, I will PASS a FIST across someones FACE! I also view women as equals, if a woman or man attacks me, I'm not going to do whatever it takes to end the violence as quickly and reliably as possible. Thus, you bet your ass I would "warslap" a woman if a woman was attacking me.
+dreyrugr Why do you hate him? He shows an extremly efective and lethal sooting technique against targets and people without protecion. But seriosly if you hate someone for talking shit you must hate everybody on this planet.
dreyrugr LAWL. Awwww come one. 3 arrows fired extremly fast at you. It will hurt like shit and brobably wont be lethal (considered that he uses 0815 target arrowheads). Thats prety effektive in my book. How ever not on the killing field and not historicly accurate.
Late to comment, but slaps are effective. But as a means to an end. You slap to not hurt but position the head., So a left palm to the face "slap" slightly downwards and a follow up with a right uppercut to finish. A punch is small contact to deal massive damage. A "slap" or open palm push is wide spread and can manipulate the head to quickly follow with the actual attack.. Granted this is bare fighting with no weapons or armor.
thats called a palm strike... or something similar. In palm strikes you concentrate the force into the small bone int he bottom of your palm, which is one of the most rugged bones in the body. The result, is a strike that is IMMENSELY more devastating than a punch. Martial arts masters across a variety of diciplines advocate open hand strikes (palm strikes) over punches because they are more devastating and far less likely to injure you. I use them to devastating effect in street fights... to the point where I pick and choose wisely when I actually punch someone. A single palm strike to the side of the head or face can finish someone bigger than you, and a DOUBLE palm strike (striking linearly in front of you with both palms, putting all your weight behind it) can easily kill someone of your size, or take out someone considerably bigger and stronger than you. I used a double to take out this huge brutish rugby player who was about 100 pounds heavier than me.... needless to say, that ruined his night.
Good stuff. But he wasn't threatening you with a pole arm or edged weapon, nor wearing battle dress, so it isn't really the same as claiming ranks of them were beating up enemy soldiers barehanded.
While I agree with Lindybeige about the idea that it was more of an emergency technique to use if you were disarmed, I disagree with the reason why you wouldn't punch. While I agree saving your bones of you hand is a plus, against an opponent with a helmet a slap would be more disorienting. back in the day when rules were less strict in the NFL( yes I know "American" Football isn't battle) the offensive line was aloud to hit the defense, and the first move they would do was a had full body slap to the ear because the shear amount of concussive force would daze the guy if you did it right. I would have to imagine that any warriors who fought with helmets would know this.
They were actually using this at war as well. Some soldiers who were called “Delibaş” (means ‘Crazy’) would just ride a horse and had an armor but no weapon at all. They were usually at front lines and they could kill people with that slap. You didn’t also mention it’s history. Some say that one day some Janissarys tried to close a man’s store because he wasn’t paying taxes and then he went up to Janissary Captain and killed him with a single slap.
just think chinese iron arms vs russian slap champion vs karate chop and you have an idea of the variety of types of Ottoman slap... they had one aimed at dislocating the jaw, one for the temples, etc
Stockton slap, Nate Diaz slaps people in fights all the time. Bas Rutten knocked people out with "slaps'', palm strikes, because punching the head was banned in that organization. Just watch MMA.
i slap you, i slap you, i slap slap slap you, slapping you slapping you silly cos you disrespected meeeee (8) also, i always assumed an ottoman slap was belting someone up the side of the head with a piece of furniture....
imagine a guy like 1.90 2m tall thats being only feeded with fried pastry working out hard 8 hours a day and half of it is slapping an oiled marble with bare hands that is how to train for ottoman slap 1. technique is to make the slap hit and completely close the ear and create enough air pressure to give him a bleeding inside ear or even in brain and eventually knock him out pretty bad or mostly kill him due to high pressure 2. technique is to make the slap hit somewhere between cheeks and neck in order to create enouch force to on there to break the neck some records in archives tells that there were people even hitting hard enought to kill a horse with a slap need to find some strong guy to try that but the process is too hard and they will ruin their hands beyond recovery there is no turning back from that much callus
Your ear canal is directly connected to your pharynx...the most you'd get from "high pressure" generated in outside your earlobe is a ruptured eardrum. (soldiers were being thought to open their mouth when near a cannon, not to cover their ears because the pressure would equalize from both sides of the eardrum)....We live in 2017 now, use more science please and practice more mouth control before speaking.
First of all, I love your accomplished "slap" sound effect. Well done. It was a joy witnessing your enthusiasm. The Turkish term for what you refer to as an "Ottoman Slap" is "Osmanlı Tokadı". Slap is to Tokat as handgun is to MPT-76. It was a martial art of "last resort" that was well practiced by Ottoman "akıncı" troops, and by Seljuk "Alp" soldiers before them. Most European soldiers/knights had some sort of head protection, but this wouldn't matter in close quarter hand to hand combat. The tokat was so lethal that it produced severe concussions and broken necks. Most knights in shining armor were in "shock and awe" when they were witness to this.
Soldier: falls down after receiving a blow to the side Enemy soldier: thinks I have killed my enemy Soldier: ottoman slaps enemy's theigh and yells, THICCC
their hands were like rock because they harden their hands with Turkish "mermer". it is very well known and documented subject, ofc in Turkish. Seems you didn't research it very well.
Why not just carry a rock then, & belt then with that? I’m not saying a palm strike doesn’t hurt/damage But if you think they’re any use against a dude with an 8’ spear....
@@chrismitchell7280 Exactly. Why not wear a mail glove, or carry a knuckleduster, and save your hands a lot of damage, whilst making it possible to punch a wall to bits?
@@NigelTolley intimidation is a key, you see any wise man who saw his friends skull's crushing by bare hand would've terrified and wouldnt want to fight
Watch video Try slapping yourself with full force with a slightly stiff arm, if you will Now imagine that in the middle of a swordfight Imagine an opening where both swords are out of line at morderately close range Test punching yourself with the second segment of your fingers as would happen in a longrange hook Compare that to the sense of disorientation from the slap Now imagine someone who trained with that Imagine the sense of disorientation again Imagine what can happen at that moment Imagine if videomakers on youtube tried to be scientific instead of focusing on singular uninterracted thoughts like slaps don't hurt and weapons are sharp so they win Imagine if people did not only that, but began to structure their thoughts into truth Imagine what would happen then
Imagine if one has an unsually strong arm Imagine if you're a lone warrior fighting an army. Imagine if you're arm is broken. Imagine if his friends are 10 feet tall, with pointy weapons since you seem so much in awe of them to the extent that you think once they enter combat it is impossible to use anything else due to a mindset limited by how effective they are due to a misunderstanding of complexity of situations such as a swordfight which includes many factors among them things other than pointy weapons. Imagine if you didn't have a pointy weapon. Imagine if you had a heart attack. Imagine if none of this ever happened and we were back to a constant situation to evaluate the slap. Imagine if you could have just tagged along from the beginning and didn't have to bring up ludicrious situations to evaluate the slap in the first place. Imagine how much less nonsense the world will be polluted with. Imagine how many faries you have killed with this statement alone. Imagine if you used slapping as a close range second rate attack instead of a main method which no one mentioned until you came to deny it or a last resort weaponless technique which isn't as important because you should never get yourself in a situation where you're weaponless against a swordsman in the first place Imagine if you didn't use a youtube icon which visually describes what you write to complete the irony of it Imagine how much less funny it would be Imagine if you did not only that but stopped writing stuff that has equivalent logic to a presidential campaign Imagine if you then began to write stuff that makes sense, like children do upon birth except with thought, instead of waging war against logic as if it will kill you if you thought about it
An important point that you missed out is that there were specific "slappers" in the Ottoman ranks which were used to intimidate the enemy and were in the frontline for the running ranks, they were big guys who trained by slapping vertical marble slabs coated in olive oil and as they did this they would fragment their palms and fingers bones and let it heal, such constant training made their hands bigger and bulkier and their skin thicker and harder. A slap from these guys actually killed people due to brain concussion/trauma and pressure in their ear. They would slap a good 5-6 men each before drawing their weapons if they were still alive, so this indeed was a real thing and a viable technique which broke the moral of the opposing men, so just please research something fully before making a video about. Such misinformation will spark the anger of a lot of Turks as they are quite nationalist people when it comes to a British guy making a video about something in their culture and won't refrain from looking stupid by trying to write a negative comment by using broken English. I'm half English and half Turkish so I'm just trying to stop them from looking stupid with this long ass comment, but still an entertaining video, much appreciated.
Beathoven 1) you offered no sources for your claims 2) I really doubt ottomans had guys in the front line who tried to slap people to death, because that's just stupid
Kirill P unfortunately the world already has developed a hate for the Turkish community so there are no external sources in English which back this up apart from Turkish sources, so if I were to send you something which proved this you wouldn't be able to read it, so you are in turn right in believing otherwise, but if you were to think logically, having an enemy which could kill your men by slapping them wouldn't you be demoralised? And bear in mind the only empire which were able to conquer Constantinople were the Ottomans. The siege of Constantinople was foretold in the Qur'an by the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) so Constantinople was in the eyes by all of the Islamic community including the Arabs and the Persians but the Ottomans were the ones who fulfilled the prophecy which meant they accomplished the impossible, that's one of the reasons Turkey is bashed today, second reason is being undefeated during ww1 with ill equipped soldiers while advanced nations such as England, Greece and Italy were against them but they won with determination and faith, so of course there isn't going to be external sources in English which backs up the claims about the famous ottoman slap which indeed was very true and Turkey's history is always taught unchanged and in true form only in Turkey.
Beathoven im sorry but your excuse that the west just hates Turkey is kinda bullshit, because we have records of almost every other civilization, including Turkey. How would get your "slappers" close enough to the enemy? They have no way to parry swords/spears and just get killed before they get to do anything. Sorry man, this just looks like propaganda to me. :/
Northern Brazilian bouncers have used this for years. It's called a "remada" or literally a paddle or rower. A very feared solid slap with the whole force of the arm coming at you .
That 30 hour slap battle almost sounds like a Monty Python sketch.
now i want to see that
That's because it is. Except they used fish for slapping.
+Beriorn It's like that Olympic hide and seek sketch where the 11 year-long match ended in a tie
+Beriorn I don't believe two men slapped each other for 30 hours without serious
injury. In India there are ascetics that slap themselves for sometimes
hours and end up bleeding.
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I'll just ottoman slap my way through this army! -Lindybeige
Because I'm nails!
No, none's that nails.
This man should have been a part of the Monty Python crew. I could see that being one of the greatest skits ever.
This joke is so fucking old.
@@YongyoonKim Your comment is getting on a bit too now
It doesn't work unless you shout "Ha siktir!" as you slap them.
Aha türk
+Nilguiri AHAHAAHAHAH
+Nilguiri could someone translate and explain please?
+Wetcorps it means "owww fuck" as in "I'm screwed"
8YEC
thanks!
Maybe the Ottomans used this against the Christians, because they then had to turn the other cheek?
H S hehe
:D
H S it worked till vienna i guees
Lmfao
@YeOldeScience
Being pagan meant instant death in Ottoman Empire.
In Turkey there is a town called Tokat, which means slap in Turkish. Enough said
Also there is a town called Batman.
and there is another town called "afyon", means kind of cannabis
@@erendegirmenci5271 Afyon Translates literally to Opium.
They almost sound the same
@@erendegirmenci5271 is it afyonkarahisar or is there another town with afyon in its name?
@@falconofbalasagun4163 yes, afyonkarahisar. it is often said as just afyon.
Slapping in a serious fight can be useful, but not on the cheek. You slap someone on the ear.. the air pressure and sound deafen and disorient pretty badly and can even pop your eardrum when done at full force. Try softly slapping yourself on the ear, it's already pretty bad.
+Lilliath If he's wearing a helmet, his ear should be pretty safe.
+Lindybeige In American football they outlawed the open-hand slap to the side of the helmet long before the current concerns regarding concussions. Even with a helmet, the concussive shock is enough to stun you. Of course, we're talking plastic instead of metal, but I'm guessing in a hotly contested melee a hard slap to the side of your opponent's helmet may just stun him just enough to give you an opening for an attack, escape, or takedown.
+Lindybeige The concussive force still remains. You've mentioned that you've done 'Kung Fu' yet from what you've said in this video, open hand techniques are not something you've encountered which seems a little strange.
An open palmed blow to the side of the head, depending on the practitioner and their training, will do a little bit more than just sting a little.
+Lindybeige The ear is really sensitive and Newton's law is a real
bitch.
+Lilliath for a second there I read "ear" as rear. xD
Now I want to write a fantasy story about a badass dude that Ottoman slaps his way across a battlefield.
Great idea : )))
+Das Neko one slap man
+Pishoy Fam One Slap Chap
+Ayy lmao ONE SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!
*_badass guitar and shit_*
+Das Neko How about a video game! Ottoman bitchslap power-up is OP.
The Ottoman slap is basically used for a (very) hard slap nowadays. But there is a myth that Ottoman soldiers (Deliler; translation: crazies/madmen) trained by oiling their hands with olive oil, and slapping marmer. And during war they went there with their burial robe to the front line, expecting to die. It is claimed that these soldiers were so strong, that they could slap a horse down.
PS: A slap in general can be pretty useful, if you hit someone on their ear for example. It might be even more effective than trying to hit him with your fist. Even in Martial Arts you can rupture someone's eardrum if you slap them very hard.
Your right because I was a victim to a ear slap and it was damn painful.
can confirm that last part
Gökan Sakı style
*marble
Yup Deliler had bodies like The rock and The Brock. A good amount of force from these people would be enough to knock the horse.
Can we all take a moment to just appreciate Lindybeige's oral slap sound effect.
HOLY SHIT HE'S ACTUALLY MAKING THAT NOISE WITH HIS MOUTH HOW HAVE I NOT NOTICED THAT
Respect
Definitely done stagefighting in the past
0:37
people broke up that duel? I can only assume they ran out out of popcorn
After 30 hours, they just wanted to head home and go to bed.
Timothy Creighton so true... what is more amusing than watching two men slap eachother for 30hrs XD
Fasesojr sounds like a cat fight
J Von Simon the II probably would sound like it after 10 hours
Ukraine(Ukraine(Ukraine))
Old Turks didn't know punching, the main unarmed martial art was wrestling. And for them, to hit someone with back of your hand was an insult. Slapping was a proper way of fighting without insulting your opponent.
Is this for real or just a joke? Do you have a source?
@@agustinl2302 I m not this guy but it might have reality because seriously there are no technique for you to use your punchs in turkic martial arts
it is not they didnt know. it was considered disrespectful in fight between individuals. Whoever used it first would be shamed. Slap on the other hand carried an expression of warning, authority, class which is meant to finish a fight. Also slapping someone is mentally more effective since it makes a distinct noise.
i repeat. it is meant to "end" it.
@@agustinl2302 I don't have a source but no joke. I'm Turkish; there is no traditional punch fight and I've heard this rumour from elders.
Step 1: Ban Crabs
Step 2: Denounce Venice
Step 3: Ottoman Slap
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit
*Stonks*
We demand whales!!
@@frostag4821 **scared slate mine noises**
Step 4: Obtain whales
wtf happened here?
The virgin European punch vs The chad Ottoman slap
i think "the virgin european sword vs the chat ottoman slap" is better
Katana fuckeeeeer
The virgin english boxing lol
@@eliasschneeberger1337 u wot m8
@@eliasschneeberger1337 the Queen will dropkick your fat ass.
Constantinople walls are impenetrable.
Until you OTTOMAN SLAP them.
They slapped the ships to push them through on land
Roflmao fatih slapped konstantine
One of my ancestors was an janissary and he told my grandpa a story. There were special soldiers called the ,,Deliler” (the crazies) and they ran into the battle just with pants, a shield and eagle wings on their back. They knocked out horses with the slap or slapped their enemies and their enemies bones in the face were broken. These guys trained the slap since they were taken from home and raised as a janissary
I was like "how could your grandpa be a janissary"
@kalacaptain4818 it's not impossible. There were 120k janissaries when they got disbanded and alot of them didn't get massacred.
@@octavian7637 wern't they eunuchs tho
@kalacaptain4818 No, they weren't eunuchs eunuchs are the guardians of harem sultan's wives.
Janissaries were "officially" not allowed to marry or have children because they must devote their life to the sultan and the state
In my region, there was a line from the local ruling dynasty that had inherited the job of janissary for several generations
Imagine training half your life studying the blade, spear, bow, horse, war, and estate management. All to be the special OPs forces of the medieval battlefield.
Only to have your horse knocked out by a single slap and you get knocked out by the follow-up. All before your retainers can step in. Wake up a few hours later with a broken face..... 😂
the Ottoman slap sounds like a sex move
+Horatio Caine Or possibly the act of beating someone to death with an upholstered foot stool.
Well, Lloyd did say he would punch somebody "in the hope of decking him"...
+Horatio Caine Forgot to put on your eyeshades dramatically.
+Horatio Caine There is actually a Turkish TV show called Osmanli Tokadi (Ottoman Slap). You can pretty much watch the whole show in TH-cam. No English subtiles though.
+Horatio Caine To the enemy/receiver it did, i bet!
Hey Lindybeige, Turk here.
The problem is not the practicality of a slap or not. The problem is the reality of this legend.
You see, Ottoman army (they are not Turks by the way) has a lot of legends, because their lack of written material especially compared to Japanese armies.
But there are some myths that some group of Ottoman Janisseries (called "Crazies"?) were trained by slapping marble stones. Therefore they could kill a man by just a slap (remember Eastern Monk legends, fist of death etc...).
This also made them crazy strong and swing weapons with incredible strength.
So you see, "Ottoman slap" is not a real "war strategy" but a "training technique".
Real or not, I don't know.
+Bonecrusher Similar to how some martial arts practice resistance training by striking solid objects.
Certainly not a new idea, I could see how easily the relative craziness of seeing some guy going at it with a rock (essentially) could bloom into war stories.
+Bonecrusher I have seen someone slapping a brick into two pieces (I can't find it anymore on YT), so there might be a grain of truth in that war propaganda. Also, if you got a gauntlet and a bracer your arm has another 1-2kg added. Usually, 1kg in the hand is enough to kill someone.
+Bonecrusher Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (Ataturk = Father of all Turks) argues the Ottoman people were in fact Turks. The empire itself spanned over several ethnic tribal borders which I guess is where you impression comes from. That is like saying Romans were not Italian, true there were Roman citizens from other nations, but the Romans themselves were in fact Italian.
+Bonecrusher are you saying the ottomans werent turks??
+Tom Ryder
I've seen guys that constantly whack themselves in the head with a plank, and the x-rays show their skulls are an inch thick, which is about four times normal. Bone is a living, reactive organ, just like muscle, and responds to repetitive stress. The same guys make a habit of kicking down palm trees with their shins, which are also hugely modified. Saw it in some doco, once.
That 30 hour slap battle would have been far shorter if one of the combatants had used a tin of baked beans.
Lednybeeg He would have popped it open and ate it with the opponent
Aye, but neither of the men were ninjas, were they?
I was thinking of spinach
Please help, I'm binge watching Lindybeige videos again...you could also say I'm on a Lindybinge 😂
**Comedy**
I'm Mexican but my ancestors are from Turkey. I finally know an interesting technique to go and fight my enemies, thank you oh amazing land of Turkey
Ur not mexican bro coz "Turk" DNA not mean only genetic its about soul and ancient rules if you search a littlebit u will see... if you have Turkish blood this is made u always Turk and we never chance for nothin this Bro. You always welcome here.
@@ilufoobadfly brother my dad's family originates all the way back from there but that don't mean i just got turk DNA on me my mom's family is mixed now how mixed hell if i know, that's the beauty of mexico
@@ABEL-cd2sp Don't ever fool by others words , if you believe you are Turk , you are a Turk ... Becuase , Turk gens are so mixed due Turk's massive empires so if you feel Turk , you are 👍 ...
Listen to the Ottoman march, if you get goosebumps.. its proof 😃
There are books written how to Ottoman Slap was being used against enemies
in Ottoman fighters were proffesinols , kept trained from child ages till die
As i know, some big guys trained for Ottoman slapping
They had a course of slapping wet marbles to harden their claws
And the right techic is rising up and using all your body weight to slap a face
You can't even spell "professionals" so why should your ramblings be taken seriously?
andrew strongman
Fucking english is not my native languge, you
genius
Gokhan So you know your English is poor and yet you are too stupid or lazy to use a spell-checker? Once again, why should anyone take you seriously?
andrew strongman
are you desperate?
Find yourself a hobby,
you can find better ways spending time than
writing someone who should not be taken seriously
Consider it an Ottoman Slapdown ;)
Former MMA champion Bas Rutten has KO'd opponents with open hand slaps !
Ya palm strikes aren't bad, and your knuckles aren't broken.
Nick Diaz also trained for 12 years in the mountains of Turkey to master the slap.
With his liver punches
Banned from wrestling as a child for such activity. I understand your point, most shockingly. 🤣😘🤗
I wouldn't call a palm strike a slap. In MMA some fighters also use ear slaps in the clinch
remember the "1" rule: there is always one.
NightRaven 1901 well, they just need slapped then, dont they.
+Mr Jay White Always remember rule one ;)
+Mr Jay White think you mean "There can only be one."
+Mr Jay White Until that one dies and there are none.
+Greg Cyr Which would negate the "1" rule.
As mentioned below, Ottoman slap generally used by an infantry division called Azaps.These men were start slap trainings during their childhood.In addition they were not going to battle disarmed.They use swords and slapping comes in handy when the opponent disarmed you (which is a common thing), you can simply slap them.It is also an efficient way to struck fear into enemies. Ottomans used psychologic warfare tactics very long time.
There was a special unit in the Ottoman army named “Deliler”, means “The Crazy Men” (doesn’t translate that well) who’se spesific role was to charge and confuse the enemy. They were unarmed, bald, generally topless and as the name suggests, crazy. They were equipped with tribal like accecories and would yell maniacally while charging. Ofc these units didn’t got used that much cause they can’t really do shit against pikes and spearmen, but when one came close to the opponent they could fracture his cheekbones. Doing this was achieved by aiming the slap in a spesific angle, and slapping with all your might. The broken bone pieces could potentially stab the soldier and inflict an internal wound, potentially even stabbing the brain and killing the target.
The slap was also used as a last-resort by the soldiers when they dropped their weapon and couldn’t pick it up. Their goal was to stagger the enemy long enough to pick their weapon again, if not to knock them out. The regular infantrymen couldn’t care less about their bones breaking cause it was a life or death situation if you had to use the damn slap anyways.
Using slaps in battle is a common practice when one’s unarmed and has to keep fighting. This isn’t Ottoman spesific as it was used all around Europe.
🤣
You can translate it as "The Madman"
deliler kılıç, mızrak kullanan süvarilerdir. benekli hayvan derisinden kıyafetler veya hayvan başlarından miğfer giyen öncü süvariler bunlar görev aynı, düşmanı korkutmak ve şok amaçlı kullanılan birlikler. yukarıda yapılan bir yorumdaki gibi bilinenin aksine osmanlı tokadını kullananlar özel olarak azaplarda değil. azaplar hafif zırhlı ön cephede kışkırtma amaçlı kullanılan manevra birlikleridir, hilal taktiğinin uygulanabilmesi ( süvarinin kanattan sarabilmesi) için merkez cephede yeniçerinin önünde hafif menzilli silahlar ile ilk saldırıyı başlatıp hızlıca çekilmeye girerler. osmanlı tokadı her türk askerinin uyguladığı bir yöntem. özel olarak bir gruba ait kesinlikle değil senelerce bize tarih derslerinde söylenen yalanlardan birisi bu. Bu ve bu tarz kanallarda göreceğin üzere 1v1 combatta savaş sırasında silah kırılmaları düşmeleri çok sık rastlanan bir durum ve osmanlı tokadı bu durumlar için türk askerine öğretilen bir teknik. hiçbir osmanlı askeri savaşa silahsız gitmemiştir.
They were not bald. Most depictions in art shows them as having long hair
Sly Marbo once Ottoman slapped his way through an entire battalion of Tau Fire Warriors.
lol
You are a man of culture
I think anything above a hard shove is considered 'excessive force' when dealing with Tau in melee.
((Although, thank you for giving me the image of Sly Marbo just slapping Tau left and right. Dear Omnissiah, someone please draw that!))
I was there that day Sly Marbo wreaked such slaughter amongst the "warriors" of the Tau-
many were felled and one fully cleaved in two from from the tremors emanating from his mighty face obliterating hand!
And through out the thundering battle, the shrieking metal crash of mech suits as they were dashed into the rocks melting into the death screams of twisted & broken pilots, at no time did his expression change and I would swear he never so much as blinked......
by the throne it was glorious!
he was motivated to do it because he knew thicc tau women would await him
Many martial arts have palm techniques which look on the outside like "slaps". It is an advanced technique, sometimes called the iron palm, sometimes called the "soft" calm. With proper technique this can generate and project a lot of force in a small motion. To make this strike effective takes more skill development and practice than a punch, but once perfected it is not something you want to be hit with.
Doesn't quite apply to armored battlefield combat, but this is what I know form personal experience about a real slap. In Systema, (Russian combat system) we use slaps frequently, it has a different feel from a punch, more of a lingering hit. The nice thing is that it relaxes the target area very quickly when you do it right, using the natural heavyness of you arm, without tensing too much. We've done drills where we take down the attacker or disarm them using nothing but slaps. Done correctly, it's a hell of a useful technique. It wouldn't do jack against armor, but still, it does have very practical use for unarmored opponents. Love your channel, by the way.
Liam Coe are you supposed to aim for the ear for it to be effective?
Sorry, I prefer the Byzantine Bop.
@Christian D I will avenge myself on you with my "Hungarian Hug"
I prefer the Jewish Jab
@@ktrooper4740 Have you yet learned to fear the frightening Finnish Fondle?
Can we all just agree to monster mash?
Or the Welsh wack
Less than a week ago, two school boys playing slapping game in Pakistan, one of then fainted then died...so slapping can fatal.
Wat
@Jirobo For Kage hmmm...Mama Mia.
@@aluckyshot Begone.
When I was in school I had a friend who was squaring up with another guy (who pretty much knew he would lose that fight) and he slapped my friend
for my friend to instantly defuse and go "...did you just slap me?"
so I guess it's useful in that it's so bad it's good lol
+NightRaven 1901 I'll lose my dignity if it means I keep my teeth!
+Nasmr you'd be supprised. getting slapped stings and combined with the concussive force of the impact from a good slap can stun you for a second, and in a fight that's all you need. stun your opponent for a second and you have an opening to land 2-3 good strikes, or to tangle them up with a lock.
though word of advice it only works once, and best as the opening move before the adrenalin kicks in, afterwards it works about as well as you can expect.
that said if the fight isn't actually serious a good slap can sometimes defuse the situation (as with your friend) but other times it can make it much worse, it's one of those things you have to judge (unless you plan to follow it up with something more serious)
What if the Ottoman Slap was combined with the One-inch Punch?
Newsman
That'd probably be useless with helmeted heads...
+Joshua Madoc, it's the perfect technique to interrupt a purple nurple.
Then you'd end up six feet under, because armor beats hands.
alternatively slapping someone with an Ottoman also proves effective.
Use me as a Baseball bat daddy UwU
I just wonder if Jesus would have got the chance to turn the other cheek after having been hit by an ottoman slap.
Jesus was even crucified! So he could endure that pain as well..
And he was savagely beaten with a barbed whip.
outatis so what?
People who have been shot still felt a shit load of pain when they were hit or slapped
Dovahkiin Mert My point is if Jesus could stand being crucified then He could stand a slap too.
outatis ater He probably couldn't stand the pain and probably did indeed pass out because of the pain.
He's only human after all.
A good slap can knock somebody out! Those 2 who slapped each other for 30 hours didn't know how to slap.
Always happy to see someone else identify Lars is nothing more then a trickshooter using vague historical representations to validate a prosperous technique as 'traditional'.
+BrightSkyFire The part of his video where he said that quivers were invented by Hollywood almost gave me an aneurysm
+Mantis47 Where else would they store their arrows? In their pants?
+poilboiler No, Real Archers didnt need more than 1-2 arrows they obviously were able to kill hundreds of men with those.
+poilboiler why they magically appear, ofcourse! how else would archers never run out of arrows in those historically accurate movies?
Here after Hasan mentioned this while talking about Will Smith.
It's hilarious how he described it, like how *exciting* a well-executed Ottoman slap is.
Another Hasan fan on Lindybeige videos..... The most amazing crossover ever.
bud spencer is the proof of the ottoman slap since he used the described technique in nearly every film! xD
Fours years late, but that is the most underrated comment here 😉
@@malafakka8530 xD
Great presentation. Never knew history could be so entertaining ... Cheers,
I'm starting to genuinely enjoy this channel.
this video being uploaded is my christmas present
Guess whos internet just got upgraded and can now watch videos in 1080p
Unfortunately, I think I could have internet with a 100000 terabit connection and it wouldn't matter cause I have a laptop with a processor like a pocket calculator. 480p all the way for me ;(
I know that feeling... Luckily now with m'new laptop I can watch them at 720p! With only 500 buffering hiccups per millisecond!!
CatB omg. Past same
+TwinBorn
C'est la vie.
CatB wat?
Lindy, can you do another 'movie critique' series on Lord of the Rings?
Curious to see what you think about the battles and fight scenes in the films.
Thanks, and keep up the great work!
imagine you are some soldier, one of the best europe has to offer.... and you get one-tap slapped by some random dude with a big mustache and a chef hat
The sound effects are *nice*
so this is what my Turkish teacher is talking about 5 years ago during biology class lol
When you slap somebody while you are on horse yeah it kills
0:38
That was the best slap sound effect I've ever heard.
Well now my next character has to be a plate-wearing Ottoman Slapper with inordinately thick custom gauntlets that cover the insides of the fingers and palm. It'll be glorious
in a matter of minutes you became my favorite channel. all it took was a slight scroll of the page to see that most videos involve questions that fancy my curiosity. but sealing the deal is your brainstorming and skeptical thinking. Most people don't even question what they see before them but all they really know is the label. you are among the few who can think in conceptual possibilities. everyone can be skeptical thinkers, but having an objects label doesn't mean you know anything about it, well besides it name. I'm sure you've checked your garage for dragons a number of times, great videos man keep at it!
"I challenge you to a duel!" *Slap*
Grabs metal gauntlet
*Slap* "I accept"
"Being nails" is my new life goal! XD
Bas Rutten was the UFC champion and Pankration champion using the "Ottoman Slap". I can think of worse things to do on the battlefield than that. Clearly proven to be an effective martial art technique.
i mean slapping and punching people in general seems like a pretty effective martial arts technique
it's just called a palm strike and it's a common striking technique in combat sports where you don't wear gloves
It’s more of a Stockton slap than a palm strike that the Diaz bros do
I turned of add-block for this. You have a very entertaining style
At 4:20, why not just go for a punch into Adam's apple? The windpipe is weak enough to get crunched , especially given the axe wielder forward momentum.
The scenario you put forward was one I had in a video game funnily enough..
M&B: Warband?
+Frans A. In Lancer only tournaments, usually what it comes down to once all the horses have been killed is the "Swadian Kick" :P
I pressed G accidentally.
It would honestly be funny to see Lloyd play a video game like it xD
"Lloyd Plays: Mount & Blade: Warband"
While playing (amateur) American Football, some Linemen (the big guys) would sometimes do what you call in the video an Ottoman slap (to try to dislodge, or maybe provoke you). I don't know if it's on account of modern helmets, but other then a fraction of a second of disorientation, because the head will unexpectedly move for about a third of a meter if it's a big guy hitting hard, I haven't felt any effects other then some outrage (and anger).
So probably helmet slapping - Ottoman style - wouldn't be that effective as a combat fighting technique.
One note about padded/boxing gloves.
You said “even” in those gloves, implying that boxing gloves aren’t as impactful as fists, but from what I’ve seen in research they don’t actually reduce the effectiveness of your punches, they are only there to protect your hand (as you mentioned, punching is an easy way to break something).
Theoretically, because you can punch harder with less risk of injury, padded/boxing gloves are MORE dangerous than bare fists.
The bigger surface area reduces the risk for the one being punched aswell. Normally the force would be exerted over just the knuckles which are much smaller and therefore have a risk to crack or fracture the opponents skull with the drawback of you breaking your hand
@@lolic4712 Gloves reduce cuts and breaks but increase concussions and long term brain damage. The extra mass adds to the momentum more than the loss of speed takes away; that gets mostly transferred to the opponent's head/neck and ultimately their brain moves about inside their skull more.
you saved me from writing it. Yup, paded gloves do more long lasting brain damage.
Can we just talk about how perfect lindy’s slap sound effect is
Slapping competition before it was cool
My Wing Chun teacher knocked some dude out with a Pak Sau ( downwards slap) at a nightclub.
Yep sure is. But we practice that slap to be fast, down angled and you drop you body weight with it too. It's quite effective against the face, as well as the arm. Cheers!
pretty sure Pak Sau is a jeung (palm strike), chung jeung or wang jeung if you hit your opponent with it. Pak sau (as a defensive move) is very short ranged, that guy had to be within elbow distance or less to be hit by pak sao. Or, if done in a circular motion, it was a lan sao.
Whatever.
Pak Sau for days. I practice Tai Chi and I use slaps as well.
that one was not a slap it was down part of your hand which is extremely hard if you train and effective.
If one goes for haymaker slap with the heel of the palm, leading with fingers pointed into a beak shape and snapping the heel of the palm forward just before contact one can double the speed of travel at time of impact. Just a quick tip from some old Chinese women...
@lindybeige
As a martial artist the slap has it's place, but calling a ottman slap/fighting slap a slap is not really fair. The kind of slap most people think of is either the pimp slap, or the backhand bitchslap (sorry ladies! but you know what I'm saying!). Both are fairly limp wrist in nature, and meant to sting rather than injure - you don't want to damage the goods afteral.
However, as a martial artist even a grappler, strikes have their place, and a proper slap to the ear, eyes, or groin can vary in effectiveness from moderately disorienting, to down right devastating. I proper slap is not limp wristed at all, it's basically a sideways palm heel strike, or if aimed at the ear, more of a cupped strike.
The ear clap strike CAN MAIM. It can burst eardrums, you can carefully test this just by cupping your hand and gentle clapping your hand over your ear (very very gently at first), if you get even the slightest air seal the air pressure combined with the impact can ruin your whole day. So be very careful.
If you miss the ear but get close, there are a lot of nerves on the side of the head behind the jaw, people get knocked out from being hit there with moderate force ALL the time.
If you miss that, there is still the temple, and while a knuckle worked better, a palm heel strike to a temple can be lethal.
A full power strike like these could be lights out if it lands. The problem with ANY head based strike is landing it.
It takes training to hit even a stationary target accurately, to do it to one that is moving and trying to dodge you or bock you is hard or even impossible. Remember, there are people who train all day NOT to get hit just like you might train all day TO hit.
This is why when push comes to shove, most toe to toe brawls go to the floor with people grappling.
But if you watch close, most real fights start with some kind of surprise punch, sometimes it's a slap, not a bitch slap, but an open hand strike. An ottoman slap, sideways palm heel, tiger strike, whatever. Even untrained, it's devastating. Usually (I'd say 8 out of 10 times) the guy who hits first (including palm heel/ottoman slaps) wins the fight.
I see it all the time in the security footage I watch to supplement my training. Hope this helps your perspective a bit more!
+D3mang3l This! I wanted to write down about the same. You saved some time for me.
And I really thought that all this info would be in video.
do you slap women?
+Jgigas LOL
+D3mang3l is it because they can't cook? I think I understand then, as long as its not this slap of warfare.
Jgigas OMFG ROFL! you are too funny!
Like I said, never damage the goods ^.^
But in all seriousness, I'm a pacifist. I never resort to violence to solve problems when a peaceful solution can be found.
However, I also believe in the right to self defense. If i get attacked I become a passafist, as in, I will PASS a FIST across someones FACE!
I also view women as equals, if a woman or man attacks me, I'm not going to do whatever it takes to end the violence as quickly and reliably as possible.
Thus, you bet your ass I would "warslap" a woman if a woman was attacking me.
For a warrior a slap its a humiliation, worse than getting killed ...
some time i go back to your old video to put a "like" just because ... and thank you for the work
Nobody:
TH-cam: OTTOMAN SLAP!!!
You misunderstood. The Ottoman slap is when you hurl a padded stool at the attacker.
Lars Anderson. The guy everyday people love and archers hate. I'm in the latter category.
+dreyrugr Nah, I'm an everyday person and I don't like him, either.
+dreyrugr Why do you hate him?
He shows an extremly efective and lethal sooting technique against targets and people without protecion.
But seriosly if you hate someone for talking shit you must hate everybody on this planet.
Sral Neman Do you even hyperbole? And no, his technique is useful against targets, that's about it.
dreyrugr LAWL.
Awwww come one.
3 arrows fired extremly fast at you.
It will hurt like shit and brobably wont be lethal (considered that he uses 0815 target arrowheads).
Thats prety effektive in my book.
How ever not on the killing field and not historicly accurate.
+dreyrugr soooo you're one of those stand still equipped archers who's bitter AF because his skill is highly praised?
I like that ive managed to come across a guy discussing the strategic value of slapping somone in a battle to the death
I am so happy this guy is still making videos. And the fact that I dont have to skip a cancerous advert makes this video even sweeter.
Late to comment, but slaps are effective. But as a means to an end. You slap to not hurt but position the head., So a left palm to the face "slap" slightly downwards and a follow up with a right uppercut to finish. A punch is small contact to deal massive damage. A "slap" or open palm push is wide spread and can manipulate the head to quickly follow with the actual attack.. Granted this is bare fighting with no weapons or armor.
thats called a palm strike... or something similar. In palm strikes you concentrate the force into the small bone int he bottom of your palm, which is one of the most rugged bones in the body. The result, is a strike that is IMMENSELY more devastating than a punch.
Martial arts masters across a variety of diciplines advocate open hand strikes (palm strikes) over punches because they are more devastating and far less likely to injure you.
I use them to devastating effect in street fights... to the point where I pick and choose wisely when I actually punch someone. A single palm strike to the side of the head or face can finish someone bigger than you, and a DOUBLE palm strike (striking linearly in front of you with both palms, putting all your weight behind it) can easily kill someone of your size, or take out someone considerably bigger and stronger than you.
I used a double to take out this huge brutish rugby player who was about 100 pounds heavier than me.... needless to say, that ruined his night.
Good stuff.
But he wasn't threatening you with a pole arm or edged weapon, nor wearing battle dress, so it isn't really the same as claiming ranks of them were beating up enemy soldiers barehanded.
@Tom true if you do it wrong and without protection
4:29 "spread the load"
Everyone's overseeing the fact that they slap rocks for days to achieve a hard hand to kill a horse one slap and break skulls
While I agree with Lindybeige about the idea that it was more of an emergency technique to use if you were disarmed, I disagree with the reason why you wouldn't punch. While I agree saving your bones of you hand is a plus, against an opponent with a helmet a slap would be more disorienting. back in the day when rules were less strict in the NFL( yes I know "American" Football isn't battle) the offensive line was aloud to hit the defense, and the first move they would do was a had full body slap to the ear because the shear amount of concussive force would daze the guy if you did it right. I would have to imagine that any warriors who fought with helmets would know this.
It could have been a way to make soldiers fight until the end instead of surrendering, even if they loose their weapon.
I heard that Ottomans slaps oiled marbles to harden their hands.
They were actually using this at war as well. Some soldiers who were called “Delibaş” (means ‘Crazy’) would just ride a horse and had an armor but no weapon at all. They were usually at front lines and they could kill people with that slap.
You didn’t also mention it’s history. Some say that one day some Janissarys tried to close a man’s store because he wasn’t paying taxes and then he went up to Janissary Captain and killed him with a single slap.
4 years and TH-cam was showing me this
just think chinese iron arms vs russian slap champion vs karate chop and you have an idea of the variety of types of Ottoman slap... they had one aimed at dislocating the jaw, one for the temples, etc
Stockton slap, Nate Diaz slaps people in fights all the time. Bas Rutten knocked people out with "slaps'', palm strikes, because punching the head was banned in that organization.
Just watch MMA.
i slap you, i slap you, i slap slap slap you, slapping you slapping you silly cos you disrespected meeeee (8)
also, i always assumed an ottoman slap was belting someone up the side of the head with a piece of furniture....
+lordmcted But I just wanna play basketball!
hahaha :D
+G96Saber oh god please! you have to get away! he won't ever stop!
imagine a guy like 1.90 2m tall thats being only feeded with fried pastry working out hard 8 hours a day and half of it is slapping an oiled marble with bare hands that is how to train for ottoman slap
1. technique is to make the slap hit and completely close the ear and create enough air pressure to give him a bleeding inside ear or even in brain and eventually knock him out pretty bad or mostly kill him due to high pressure
2. technique is to make the slap hit somewhere between cheeks and neck in order to create enouch force to on there to break the neck
some records in archives tells that there were people even hitting hard enought to kill a horse with a slap need to find some strong guy to try that but the process is too hard and they will ruin their hands beyond recovery there is no turning back from that much callus
Your ear canal is directly connected to your pharynx...the most you'd get from "high pressure" generated in outside your earlobe is a ruptured eardrum. (soldiers were being thought to open their mouth when near a cannon, not to cover their ears because the pressure would equalize from both sides of the eardrum)....We live in 2017 now, use more science please and practice more mouth control before speaking.
meanwhile everyone who has an actual weapon against the huge slapper guy. **STAB**
Fried pastry you say, where do i sign up? :) Also, can u share that records you mention?
I did some research and the ottoman slap was sooooooo painful that it would break ur jaw😯😯
First of all, I love your accomplished "slap" sound effect. Well done. It was a joy witnessing your enthusiasm. The Turkish term for what you refer to as an "Ottoman Slap" is "Osmanlı Tokadı". Slap is to Tokat as handgun is to MPT-76. It was a martial art of "last resort" that was well practiced by Ottoman "akıncı" troops, and by Seljuk "Alp" soldiers before them. Most European soldiers/knights had some sort of head protection, but this wouldn't matter in close quarter hand to hand combat. The tokat was so lethal that it produced severe concussions and broken necks. Most knights in shining armor were in "shock and awe" when they were witness to this.
Soldier: falls down after receiving a blow to the side
Enemy soldier: thinks I have killed my enemy
Soldier: ottoman slaps enemy's theigh and yells, THICCC
Cool
oh oh ottoman
He obviously never seen a professional slapping competition.
That slapping sound effect is pretty good.
Chuck Norris could do the Ottoman Slap.
He's that nails
their hands were like rock because they harden their hands with Turkish "mermer". it is very well known and documented subject, ofc in Turkish. Seems you didn't research it very well.
Why not just carry a rock then, & belt then with that?
I’m not saying a palm strike doesn’t hurt/damage
But if you think they’re any use against a dude with an 8’ spear....
@@chrismitchell7280 Exactly. Why not wear a mail glove, or carry a knuckleduster, and save your hands a lot of damage, whilst making it possible to punch a wall to bits?
@@NigelTolley intimidation is a key, you see any wise man who saw his friends skull's crushing by bare hand would've terrified and wouldnt want to fight
@@NigelTolley im not sure about the skull crushing but one hit knock out would be terrifying aswell
bas rutten master slapper :)
+madtrade Indeed. :) There are some impressive TH-cam videos of his slaps.
+Pappy Tron So, how does "slap and deliver" compare to "stand and deliver"?
3:16 Chinggis Khans death was related to falling of hes horse
Watch video
Try slapping yourself with full force with a slightly stiff arm, if you will
Now imagine that in the middle of a swordfight
Imagine an opening where both swords are out of line at morderately close range
Test punching yourself with the second segment of your fingers as would happen in a longrange hook
Compare that to the sense of disorientation from the slap
Now imagine someone who trained with that
Imagine the sense of disorientation again
Imagine what can happen at that moment
Imagine if videomakers on youtube tried to be scientific instead of focusing on singular uninterracted thoughts like slaps don't hurt and weapons are sharp so they win
Imagine if people did not only that, but began to structure their thoughts into truth
Imagine what would happen then
Imagine if one has an unsually strong arm
Imagine if you're a lone warrior fighting an army. Imagine if you're arm is broken. Imagine if his friends are 10 feet tall, with pointy weapons since you seem so much in awe of them to the extent that you think once they enter combat it is impossible to use anything else due to a mindset limited by how effective they are due to a misunderstanding of complexity of situations such as a swordfight which includes many factors among them things other than pointy weapons. Imagine if you didn't have a pointy weapon. Imagine if you had a heart attack. Imagine if none of this ever happened and we were back to a constant situation to evaluate the slap. Imagine if you could have just tagged along from the beginning and didn't have to bring up ludicrious situations to evaluate the slap in the first place. Imagine how much less nonsense the world will be polluted with. Imagine how many faries you have killed with this statement alone.
Imagine if you used slapping as a close range second rate attack instead of a main method which no one mentioned until you came to deny it or a last resort weaponless technique which isn't as important because you should never get yourself in a situation where you're weaponless against a swordsman in the first place
Imagine if you didn't use a youtube icon which visually describes what you write to complete the irony of it
Imagine how much less funny it would be
Imagine if you did not only that but stopped writing stuff that has equivalent logic to a presidential campaign
Imagine if you then began to write stuff that makes sense, like children do upon birth except with thought, instead of waging war against logic as if it will kill you if you thought about it
An important point that you missed out is that there were specific "slappers" in the Ottoman ranks which were used to intimidate the enemy and were in the frontline for the running ranks, they were big guys who trained by slapping vertical marble slabs coated in olive oil and as they did this they would fragment their palms and fingers bones and let it heal, such constant training made their hands bigger and bulkier and their skin thicker and harder. A slap from these guys actually killed people due to brain concussion/trauma and pressure in their ear. They would slap a good 5-6 men each before drawing their weapons if they were still alive, so this indeed was a real thing and a viable technique which broke the moral of the opposing men, so just please research something fully before making a video about. Such misinformation will spark the anger of a lot of Turks as they are quite nationalist people when it comes to a British guy making a video about something in their culture and won't refrain from looking stupid by trying to write a negative comment by using broken English. I'm half English and half Turkish so I'm just trying to stop them from looking stupid with this long ass comment, but still an entertaining video, much appreciated.
Beathoven that's clearly bullshit
Kirill P b
back it up then, how is it bullshit?
Beathoven 1) you offered no sources for your claims
2) I really doubt ottomans had guys in the front line who tried to slap people to death, because that's just stupid
Kirill P unfortunately the world already has developed a hate for the Turkish community so there are no external sources in English which back this up apart from Turkish sources, so if I were to send you something which proved this you wouldn't be able to read it, so you are in turn right in believing otherwise, but if you were to think logically, having an enemy which could kill your men by slapping them wouldn't you be demoralised? And bear in mind the only empire which were able to conquer Constantinople were the Ottomans. The siege of Constantinople was foretold in the Qur'an by the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) so Constantinople was in the eyes by all of the Islamic community including the Arabs and the Persians but the Ottomans were the ones who fulfilled the prophecy which meant they accomplished the impossible, that's one of the reasons Turkey is bashed today, second reason is being undefeated during ww1 with ill equipped soldiers while advanced nations such as England, Greece and Italy were against them but they won with determination and faith, so of course there isn't going to be external sources in English which backs up the claims about the famous ottoman slap which indeed was very true and Turkey's history is always taught unchanged and in true form only in Turkey.
Beathoven im sorry but your excuse that the west just hates Turkey is kinda bullshit, because we have records of almost every other civilization, including Turkey.
How would get your "slappers" close enough to the enemy? They have no way to parry swords/spears and just get killed before they get to do anything.
Sorry man, this just looks like propaganda to me. :/
Northern Brazilian bouncers have used this for years. It's called a "remada" or literally a paddle or rower. A very feared solid slap with the whole force of the arm coming at you .
What a beautiful sound he makes when slapping!!
You are an excellent Foley artist for face slapping. :)
I live in Kiev but I didn't hear the story about the duel. Thanks. Was wery interesting :)