I’ve enjoyed 6v6 immensely. Tanks are actually killable, and 1 person dying doesn’t automatically lose you the fight. There’s more synergies, and combos. I missed 6v6.
I genuinely haven’t touched 5v5 since 6v6 came out. I used to be a die hard tank player from 2016 all the way to 2022 and I’ve barely touched my role in OW2. I can’t stand 5v5 tanking at all.
i was maining rein, for long time. And lately it has been especially painful. So i played dps, cuz you just click heads. But playing a tank is like smoking, you can quit, but eventually you’ll be back at it. And 6v6 came out and it so much less stress. I am actually having fun
Hot take: I prefer 5v5 as a tank main because of the 5v5 abilities like 2 zarya bubbles, cancelable self healing hog, and the fact that I like less people to worry about
@@TheUltimateSpider removing flaws feels more like a power fantasy than a nuanced pvp experience, and having less people to worry about isn't problematic in concept untill you consider in this case it means two tanks butting heads like 🦏 and everybody staring at the one enemy tank
The problem with 6 v 6 wasn't balance issues etc when the devs didn't touch the game for 2 years. I wouldn't have had a problem with slow patches for a big UI update but 5v5 is so bad and unbalanceable
6v6 probably going come officially back since marvel rivals having such good stride with 6v6 itself. I mean they gotta step it up. I never played OW1 and seen the og version but when they introduced this to test it the stress dropped so much playing tank.
Straight up, playing off tank is so much fun. And main tanks need adjustments but its better without all the stuns and tank busting from ow1 in this mode.
I really like the take about nerfing tanks in 5v5 (removing passives too). The way 5v5 is formatted right now, it makes the tank characters defined by their role and not by their individual character. By reducing the overall effectiveness of the role of tank, we will get more variety of gameplay experiences with tank players adapting based on tank playstyles (damage focused, "tanking" focus, canceling focus, disruption focus, etc.) Although, I am also on board for going back to 6v6 ultimately. Easier to carry a teammate having a bad game/throwing, less rigid metas, better casual experience.
6v6 is the only fun ive had with the game since ow2 happened and ive played enough to level every battle pass to at least 100. There isnt a single thing that 5v5 does better. Queue times are literally the same unless you are masters or above, and playing in an actual match is a million times more fun on every role. Ive been flex queuing 6v6 the entire time its been out and play like 80% of the heroes and there isnt a single hero that doesnt feel severely better in 6v6 compared to 5v5. 6v6 is the sweet spot and i have yet to hear a single convincing argument against that
6v6 is the only fun you've had and you've played that much? Dude OW isn't for you. If literally not a single hero released since OW2 launched you didn't have fun with or enjoy, there's literally zero reasons to keep playing the game unless you just only play games you don't have fun with.
@ The new heroes are not why i dont have fun, plenty of the ow2 heroes are fun to play. The problem is the absolute sheer amount of awfulness that 5v5 brings severely outweighs any amount of fun that the gameplay of heroes like JQ/Kiri/Illari/Ram or venture gives me. I absolutely have a blast playing those heroes in 6v6. Ow is for me, I have over 5k hours on the game and have played since 2016 and loved every second of the pre 5v5 days even down to the last second before the servers of ow1 shut down. There isnt a single other multiplayer game that has ever even come close to bringing me the same joy that ow has. I care about the game deeply which is why it hurt so much to be forced to play such an awful format for so long. Ill keep doing it though if it meant 6v6 comes back permanently. They would have never even considered bringing it back if people like me werent still playing the game and being vocal about wanting 5v5 gone. So yes ill say it again because its true, ow is for me, what isnt for me is 5v5 and ow is still by far my favorite multiplayer game even with a soul sucking format. And dont get me wrong i do play other games, i love helldivers 2, smash ult, used to play battlefield 1 and star wars battlefront 2 a lot, rocket league, ive been playing rivals a good amount, the battle royals like fortnite and apex have had their days of being enjoyed, and plenty of others that ive had fun with. Even a shitty format version of ow still beats all of the other multiplayer games i like. I have a million reasons to keep playing ow and i will.
I completed my entire battlepass off of the 6v6 tests, & now I'm halfway through the BP on my backup account playing the 6v6 tests. I've not played a single 5v5 match this season!
Every single day I've played 6v6, it's been immensely fun as tank and support. As DPS less so, but there's also less pressure from underperforming as DPS. I feel like Zen needs a small bit of tuning back in 6v6 tho. Imo the time before discord wears off should be as it is in 5v5. Oh and reduce the hitboxes somewhat. They're still at 5v5 S9 levels. Also Kiriko got the wrong buff -> her suzu cd should be lowered to be more in line with countering Ana's nade, as it stands Ana can anti more than Kiri can cleanse. All of these are just cooldown tweaks and numbers though. I think everything else is in a good spot. Side note: imo min 1, max 3 should never be a thing otherwise we'll get GOATs again. If you're committed to 5v5, Kingmaker is the way to go but it needs to be hero-specific buffs rather than just yet another role passive.
Yeah but supp player's stress increases so they'll stick with 5v5 cuz supp players are the ones who buy most of the in-game cosmetics, example:- kiri, juno, mercy.
So no 6v6, cuz knowing Blizzard they'll focus on short term profit! Look how feral they're going on with collabs, just cuz their KPOP colab popped off hard, that was just a 1 time thing, but instead they're trying so hard to recreate it, but no collab will ever match the KPOP one!
@@IronMan-jj2fd idk man, as a supp main i feel somewhat the opposit. Another teammate means more chances of getting peels. I dont have to stress too much with having to peel for myself against all these dives and can focus more on actually supporting the team
They need to give hog is reworked breather back because with heroes like hazard and ram having damage reduction on a meter or unlimited duration it makes hog way less flexible and clunky
Agreed I would rather have my breather and tankiness in exchange for my one shot capabilities maybe a fire rate increase would also be nice with a ult cost reduction and hog would feel so much better
no hog should be punished for using breather incorrectly in exchange for insane damage potiental you shouldnt be able to just walk away from poor positioning or mistakes reworked breather is poor design and encourages dumb plays from hog
6v6 is better but que time is the biggest issue, i think the best solution for the que times is making people que 2 roles at all times, this will make it so theres more tank ques, you can also add a priority que if you dont get your preffered role after a couple games
@ZeekyXx even when tanks were op and comp was 6v6 the que times were horrendous, it's the whole reason they switched to 5v5 lol if you have a better solution then say it or else it'll just stay on 5v5 for good
The game was built from the ground up to be a 6 v 6 game, making it to be 5v5 was such a strange decision that was obviously put in place as a bandaid fix to the balancing issues they couldn't solve.
Support main and I personally find 6v6 better. Yes they have a second tank but so does your team meaning more peels/protection and a better chance that at least one of your tanks isnt terrible at positioning. Not saying every support feels the same but so far the only character I dislike in 6v6 vs 5v5 is ironically hog lol. All support, damage, and other tanks feel much better imo.
Supports are the only role that benefits from 5v5 in any meaningful way and most of the benefits they have in 5v5 are possible in 6v6 with adjustments to their numbers. 6v6 allows for all the things 5v5 enables but with more dynamics and playmaking. It truly is just better.
The benefit supports get is that their broken characters are even easier to play and more valuable. 6v6 support has a higher skill ceiling cause you can actually get punished. Instead of getting dove by a winston who cant damage you if you receive any heals. @@eagerinspirit
@@TheOnigamerthe thing is, there r 2 kinds of supp players 1) healing style 2) dueling style Back during OW2 launch almost all supp players struggled to adapt to the dueling style supp playstyle. And yes 5v5 shooked away all those supp players who just like to heal more than anything else. But with 6v6 back those old supp playstyle cn be doable again
What’s crazy is support players were the most negative about 5v5 when OW2 launched. We lost a bunch of OW1 supports. The role got too strong in 5v5 and 6v6 dialed some of that power back. Supports spend the most money tho so unfortunately blizzard will listen to them more
Max 3 Min 1 is gonna be rubbish because: Unless they buff the dps passive, its most likely gonna be 3 tanks 1 Dps and 2 supports Or maybe 2 Tanks 1 Dps 3 supports In no way do i see the dps ever being the Max slot without mad overtuning
The dps passive is already oppressive at 15% in 2-2-2. Having to buff it would make supports feel even worse. I don’t see how max 3 is gonna work. Triple tank and 30% dps passive is gonna feel bad
@Cruxis_Angel i play tank, at M1 level and i dont even think the passive is that oppressive in 6V6 because tank coordination can bypass it, but yeah i do feel like it is straddling the line of being overtuned which is kinda what i said above. It would have to be overtuned for dps to have a chance
I prefer 6v6 also, but with the current OW2. Meaning reworked hog, don’t switch him back to OW1 hog. Zarya has 2 bubbles either for herself or her team and not 1 and 1 etc.. 🤷♀️
I started playing Overwatch 2 when it came out and never played Overwatch one. So far I much more enjoy 5v5 but the game is so stale at this point I’m not really playing anymore.
I love 6v6 but I also don’t like that they had hero’s reverted, like hog. Don’t get me wrong I love old hog, but I’m not gonna flip back and forth between old and new to play 6v6 or 5v5 comp. Just let us try current hero’s in 6v6….
The problem is that if they add competitive 6v6, 5v5 is gonna be dead instantly. I would enjoy playing the game a lot more, but i bet blizzard is absolutely not gonna do it 😂
Tank in 6v6 is good but for supports is fucking nightmare LW is already dead and even more dead in 6v6 format but somewhat usable at most in a dive comp and there is just too little opportunity’s to do dmg as support and be a support not just a heal bot
Most of my tank games are ruined with one of the dps getting constantly killed before I even fire A Shot. Ppl understand dps as 'Damage Dealer' without even knowing that dps dmg sux comparing to tanks. I literally win only when I yell in voice on dps that if they feeds 1 v 5 one more time I will report them. I can easily get 3k each teamfight but seems like I need 4k without dying to progress in ranks..
For 5v5 they’ve gotta do better with balancing their characters. I think it’s better to nerf all hp back to what it was before and make tanks less health pool but stronger tanking abilities.
@@IronMan-jj2fdI know it’s traumatic man🥲 But also, it’s not like the concept of 5v5 never had a chance to work. It’s just this game can’t balance there is always some kind of hard meta and there isn’t as much counter play and outplay ability
They absolutely do not need those back. Zarya is really good in the 6v6 test as is, and hog is only a problem in metal ranks because the people who play him there are awful at him.
Overwatch suffering from its long history as a game and its gotten rammed up the butt for too long, now it's way too complicated. It needs a complete do-over to survive...
Yeah he has an ego but he ain’t entirely wrong. More often than not your teammates will be complete 5hit. I’m barely average at this game and even I am baffled at how terrible my teammates are sometimes. Me personally I don’t find it fun at all sweating my balls off getting cortisol levels through the roof trying to carry a team.
At this point...i really don't care what direction Blizzard decided to do with Overwatch. I gave up on this game. Even if they make 6v6 permanent.....they still suck at balancing there character or even listen to people feedback....and that does suck about Blizzard.
I feel like hazard is so much better in 6V6 because you can actually go in deep and get all the squishes while your other tank pressures the front, so either the off tank peels for the two supports you have in a chokehold and let the tank and dps 3V5 or they just let the supports get rolled 😊
Max 3 min 1 is gonna be a huge issue with either 3 tanks or 3 supports on the field, the supports just do way too much in this game they’re just better DPS most of the time with heals and sustain abilities
6v6 was always better, blizzard just failed for so long with no competition... now they have competition, they're getting face rolled, and the deserve it. RIP OW1, OW2 has been trash since launch
Every single point that cyx makes about 6v6 vs 5v5 is just not true. 1. He says at 6:10 that 6v6 metas are less stagnant and locked in. Simply not true. That was almost always the case in 6v6. There were years long spans where the meta characters would never change. Double shield, goats, D.va (in general), pig pull (hog orisa). High-ranked meta stagnation has nothing to do with format and everything to do with balance patch frequency. The more changes there are, the less concrete metas become. 2. Cyx also says that it becomes easier to carry in 6v6 than 5v5. Also not true. He cites that it’s because one shit player represents a smaller portion of the team. That’s true and makes sense but the inverse is also true. You as a player make up a smaller portion of your team, making it harder for you to carry your shit teammate. 3. Cyx also says that have a throwing tank on your team is less detrimental but this is also not true on a large scale. Yes, in a single game one throwing tank is easier to win with, but this does not consider all possibilities. If you chart the tank throwing possibilities on a punnett square, you would find that the ratio of even tank matchups to uneven ones is actually worse in 6v6. Trust me, I’ve mapped it out. If you include columns and rows for both combinations of throwing tanks in 6v6 the ratio of even matchups (e) to uneven matchups (u) is 6e:10u or 1e:1.67u. If you only include one row and column for only one tank throwing, the ratio is 3e:6u or 1e:2u. This does not even factor in the difference in severe uneven-ness that occurs when both tanks on one team are throwing and neither tanks on the other team are throwing. In comparison, the 5v5 ratios are 2e:2u or 1e:1u. For those who do not understand I’ll put it simply. There are more uneven tank matchups for every even matchup with two tanks on each team rather than one tank as shown by the ratios. This is assuming that one tank on your team is obviously not doing well in comparison to the other tanks in the match which can and is mitigated by matchmaking.
Marvel Rivals has competitive games, and I can run it down with my tank duo where synergy is a mechanic. Blizzard just ignores people's feedback and just makes tank more unfun each season.
You know it's all opinions right? at the end of the day some just like 5v5 more and vice versa. You setting the bar to objectivity to an opinion you like is weird
@@pandatree66 nah it really is jist better. Ive only played ow2 and in the first few games of 6v6 i can already see that the game is just designed for the mode.
I’ve enjoyed 6v6 immensely. Tanks are actually killable, and 1 person dying doesn’t automatically lose you the fight. There’s more synergies, and combos. I missed 6v6.
I genuinely haven’t touched 5v5 since 6v6 came out. I used to be a die hard tank player from 2016 all the way to 2022 and I’ve barely touched my role in OW2. I can’t stand 5v5 tanking at all.
Alternative title: “I prefer to keep my sanity over suffering every game, here’s why”
HAHAHAHA!!! Best take on OW2 so far.
i was maining rein, for long time. And lately it has been especially painful. So i played dps, cuz you just click heads. But playing a tank is like smoking, you can quit, but eventually you’ll be back at it. And 6v6 came out and it so much less stress. I am actually having fun
“HEH HAAAAAAA!”
-Mauga (The Bane of all 5v5ers)
Hot take: I prefer 5v5 as a tank main because of the 5v5 abilities like 2 zarya bubbles, cancelable self healing hog, and the fact that I like less people to worry about
@@TheUltimateSpider removing flaws feels more like a power fantasy than a nuanced pvp experience, and having less people to worry about isn't problematic in concept untill you consider in this case it means two tanks butting heads like 🦏 and everybody staring at the one enemy tank
game never needed 5v5 for balance, they needed better employees who could balance 6v6.
And I believe the current team is able to get the job done even though they aren't many people
problem with 6v6 is and always was the Q times
The problem with 6 v 6 wasn't balance issues etc when the devs didn't touch the game for 2 years. I wouldn't have had a problem with slow patches for a big UI update but 5v5 is so bad and unbalanceable
5v5 killed overwatch I doubt it’ll ever recover
I wasn't on the 6v6 bandwagon i was intrested to see how it would feel in modern overwatch and it feels so much better as a support/tank player
I've never played OW1 & I was hard on the 6v6 bandwagon for a year now! Like any tank player would!
Starting as 5v5 player, I can say 6v6 is soo much better. It needs a competitive mode!
thats why OW1 was good 6v6 Comp was nice.
@@metalvideos1961 thats because ow whast tought as a 6v6 game
6v6 probably going come officially back since marvel rivals having such good stride with 6v6 itself. I mean they gotta step it up. I never played OW1 and seen the og version but when they introduced this to test it the stress dropped so much playing tank.
I don't think 6v6 is wht makes marvel rivals good, cuz I found solo tanking viable in MR while in OW2 it's a torture!
@@IronMan-jj2fdsolo tanking in MR 6v6 format makes it good lol
if getting 6v6 means I have to full time play tank i'll take it
Straight up, playing off tank is so much fun. And main tanks need adjustments but its better without all the stuns and tank busting from ow1 in this mode.
I've been playing tank all the time, 200+ games, but it kinda gets tiring that I switch up roles more often now.
7:41 unbeatable argument
Yeah I’m a fan of 6v6 but some of the changes need to be toned down like hp and passive’s to see how people react at this point
Yeah. It’s just testing now. I’m “sure” the devs will get it right when we actually revert to it 🥲
@@Nimodog19 played overwatch one for a long time and overwatch 2 and 5v5 ain’t it, so hopefully they figure it out
I really like the take about nerfing tanks in 5v5 (removing passives too). The way 5v5 is formatted right now, it makes the tank characters defined by their role and not by their individual character. By reducing the overall effectiveness of the role of tank, we will get more variety of gameplay experiences with tank players adapting based on tank playstyles (damage focused, "tanking" focus, canceling focus, disruption focus, etc.)
Although, I am also on board for going back to 6v6 ultimately. Easier to carry a teammate having a bad game/throwing, less rigid metas, better casual experience.
6v6 is the only fun ive had with the game since ow2 happened and ive played enough to level every battle pass to at least 100. There isnt a single thing that 5v5 does better. Queue times are literally the same unless you are masters or above, and playing in an actual match is a million times more fun on every role. Ive been flex queuing 6v6 the entire time its been out and play like 80% of the heroes and there isnt a single hero that doesnt feel severely better in 6v6 compared to 5v5. 6v6 is the sweet spot and i have yet to hear a single convincing argument against that
6v6 is the only fun you've had and you've played that much? Dude OW isn't for you. If literally not a single hero released since OW2 launched you didn't have fun with or enjoy, there's literally zero reasons to keep playing the game unless you just only play games you don't have fun with.
@ The new heroes are not why i dont have fun, plenty of the ow2 heroes are fun to play. The problem is the absolute sheer amount of awfulness that 5v5 brings severely outweighs any amount of fun that the gameplay of heroes like JQ/Kiri/Illari/Ram or venture gives me. I absolutely have a blast playing those heroes in 6v6. Ow is for me, I have over 5k hours on the game and have played since 2016 and loved every second of the pre 5v5 days even down to the last second before the servers of ow1 shut down. There isnt a single other multiplayer game that has ever even come close to bringing me the same joy that ow has. I care about the game deeply which is why it hurt so much to be forced to play such an awful format for so long. Ill keep doing it though if it meant 6v6 comes back permanently. They would have never even considered bringing it back if people like me werent still playing the game and being vocal about wanting 5v5 gone. So yes ill say it again because its true, ow is for me, what isnt for me is 5v5 and ow is still by far my favorite multiplayer game even with a soul sucking format. And dont get me wrong i do play other games, i love helldivers 2, smash ult, used to play battlefield 1 and star wars battlefront 2 a lot, rocket league, ive been playing rivals a good amount, the battle royals like fortnite and apex have had their days of being enjoyed, and plenty of others that ive had fun with. Even a shitty format version of ow still beats all of the other multiplayer games i like. I have a million reasons to keep playing ow and i will.
I completed my entire battlepass off of the 6v6 tests, & now I'm halfway through the BP on my backup account playing the 6v6 tests.
I've not played a single 5v5 match this season!
Every single day I've played 6v6, it's been immensely fun as tank and support. As DPS less so, but there's also less pressure from underperforming as DPS. I feel like Zen needs a small bit of tuning back in 6v6 tho. Imo the time before discord wears off should be as it is in 5v5. Oh and reduce the hitboxes somewhat. They're still at 5v5 S9 levels. Also Kiriko got the wrong buff -> her suzu cd should be lowered to be more in line with countering Ana's nade, as it stands Ana can anti more than Kiri can cleanse. All of these are just cooldown tweaks and numbers though. I think everything else is in a good spot.
Side note: imo min 1, max 3 should never be a thing otherwise we'll get GOATs again. If you're committed to 5v5, Kingmaker is the way to go but it needs to be hero-specific buffs rather than just yet another role passive.
That quad kill starting at 22:05 was nasty. If 6v6 comes becomes permanent Hog needs to keep his right click
"6v6 test" a test? Do we really need to test it?
Like I'm only an ow2 player and as a tank this immediately feels better, not so stressful.
Yeah but supp player's stress increases so they'll stick with 5v5 cuz supp players are the ones who buy most of the in-game cosmetics, example:- kiri, juno, mercy.
So no 6v6, cuz knowing Blizzard they'll focus on short term profit!
Look how feral they're going on with collabs, just cuz their KPOP colab popped off hard, that was just a 1 time thing, but instead they're trying so hard to recreate it, but no collab will ever match the KPOP one!
@@IronMan-jj2fd idk man, as a supp main i feel somewhat the opposit. Another teammate means more chances of getting peels. I dont have to stress too much with having to peel for myself against all these dives and can focus more on actually supporting the team
Bro this reminded me how much I missed watching 6v6
Only blizzard shills and bootlickers still shill for 5v5, or literal bots
Like custa
100% 6v6 sm better
They need to give hog is reworked breather back because with heroes like hazard and ram having damage reduction on a meter or unlimited duration it makes hog way less flexible and clunky
No he needs his one shot back in 6v6
Agreed I would rather have my breather and tankiness in exchange for my one shot capabilities maybe a fire rate increase would also be nice with a ult cost reduction and hog would feel so much better
no hog should be punished for using breather incorrectly in exchange for insane damage potiental you shouldnt be able to just walk away from poor positioning or mistakes reworked breather is poor design and encourages dumb plays from hog
@ZeekyXx Yeah reworked breather is probably one of the worst reworked abilities ever.
@ZeekyXx where’s the insane damage potential exactly? I must be missing something because hog currently lacks in that regard
When is the vulture collab for the canonically accurate junkrat and roadhog duo
I love Vulture.
6v6 is better but que time is the biggest issue, i think the best solution for the que times is making people que 2 roles at all times, this will make it so theres more tank ques, you can also add a priority que if you dont get your preffered role after a couple games
no you shouldnt be forced to play a role you dont want to for the sake of queue times there only bad cuz tank is boring and theres no comp
@ZeekyXx even when tanks were op and comp was 6v6 the que times were horrendous, it's the whole reason they switched to 5v5 lol if you have a better solution then say it or else it'll just stay on 5v5 for good
Run it back to no role queue default. It was better we all know it
@7:00 howdy reaper
@7:01 hows the matchup?
I miss Reaper being the counterpick that doesn't actually counter Hog. Just one more reason to bring 6v6 back permanently.
the 3d world ost is perfect thank you
The game was built from the ground up to be a 6 v 6 game, making it to be 5v5 was such a strange decision that was obviously put in place as a bandaid fix to the balancing issues they couldn't solve.
I would absolutely love to have a real game on 6v6, but that shit aint for last gen
7:16 Ana standing still and dies ROFL
Been having loads of fun on every role especially tank ever since the 6v6 and havent been playing regular 5v5 since this came out.
i get wanting to chase elo but i don't see how it being quickplay makes people not want to play. I play both and it doesn't feel that much different
6v6 Benefits DPS and OffTank players, 5v5 benefits supports not having to worry about another tank tryna jump them.
Support main and I personally find 6v6 better. Yes they have a second tank but so does your team meaning more peels/protection and a better chance that at least one of your tanks isnt terrible at positioning. Not saying every support feels the same but so far the only character I dislike in 6v6 vs 5v5 is ironically hog lol. All support, damage, and other tanks feel much better imo.
Supports are the only role that benefits from 5v5 in any meaningful way and most of the benefits they have in 5v5 are possible in 6v6 with adjustments to their numbers. 6v6 allows for all the things 5v5 enables but with more dynamics and playmaking. It truly is just better.
The benefit supports get is that their broken characters are even easier to play and more valuable. 6v6 support has a higher skill ceiling cause you can actually get punished. Instead of getting dove by a winston who cant damage you if you receive any heals. @@eagerinspirit
@@TheOnigamerthe thing is, there r 2 kinds of supp players
1) healing style
2) dueling style
Back during OW2 launch almost all supp players struggled to adapt to the dueling style supp playstyle. And yes 5v5 shooked away all those supp players who just like to heal more than anything else.
But with 6v6 back those old supp playstyle cn be doable again
What’s crazy is support players were the most negative about 5v5 when OW2 launched. We lost a bunch of OW1 supports. The role got too strong in 5v5 and 6v6 dialed some of that power back. Supports spend the most money tho so unfortunately blizzard will listen to them more
I'm already having a blast in 6v6. It feels so good and rewarded to make an aggressive play in Lucio than 5v5
Max 3 Min 1 is gonna be rubbish because:
Unless they buff the dps passive, its most likely gonna be 3 tanks 1 Dps and 2 supports
Or maybe 2 Tanks 1 Dps 3 supports
In no way do i see the dps ever being the Max slot without mad overtuning
The dps passive is already oppressive at 15% in 2-2-2. Having to buff it would make supports feel even worse. I don’t see how max 3 is gonna work. Triple tank and 30% dps passive is gonna feel bad
@Cruxis_Angel i play tank, at M1 level and i dont even think the passive is that oppressive in 6V6 because tank coordination can bypass it, but yeah i do feel like it is straddling the line of being overtuned which is kinda what i said above. It would have to be overtuned for dps to have a chance
Me too Cyx.. me too. I only play this game with a friend and only in 6v6, otherwise I'm off to other games.
What do people think of road hog resource meter going away and him getting a different shot type.
The everyone playing meta thing feels strange coming from a roadhog onetrick 😂
Damn that hook at 7:10 was disgusting haha
I prefer 6v6 also, but with the current OW2. Meaning reworked hog, don’t switch him back to OW1 hog. Zarya has 2 bubbles either for herself or her team and not 1 and 1 etc.. 🤷♀️
I started playing Overwatch 2 when it came out and never played Overwatch one. So far I much more enjoy 5v5 but the game is so stale at this point I’m not really playing anymore.
ill keep this in mind when marvel rivals ends and i come back to ow
6:58 Now Reaper.....😂
old hog being in back is horrible imo
I love 6v6 but I also don’t like that they had hero’s reverted, like hog. Don’t get me wrong I love old hog, but I’m not gonna flip back and forth between old and new to play 6v6 or 5v5 comp. Just let us try current hero’s in 6v6….
11:07 hog spinnin
I just want a comp ladder with the last ow1 patch.
The problem is that if they add competitive 6v6, 5v5 is gonna be dead instantly. I would enjoy playing the game a lot more, but i bet blizzard is absolutely not gonna do it 😂
Tank in 6v6 is good but for supports is fucking nightmare LW is already dead and even more dead in 6v6 format but somewhat usable at most in a dive comp and there is just too little opportunity’s to do dmg as support and be a support not just a heal bot
Most of my tank games are ruined with one of the dps getting constantly killed before I even fire A Shot. Ppl understand dps as 'Damage Dealer' without even knowing that dps dmg sux comparing to tanks. I literally win only when I yell in voice on dps that if they feeds 1 v 5 one more time I will report them. I can easily get 3k each teamfight but seems like I need 4k without dying to progress in ranks..
22：05 The fkin right clicks lol
For 5v5 they’ve gotta do better with balancing their characters. I think it’s better to nerf all hp back to what it was before and make tanks less health pool but stronger tanking abilities.
5v5 is toast, don't ever bring it up again, I donno how I even suffered through the 2yrs of 5v5 💀
@@IronMan-jj2fdI know it’s traumatic man🥲 But also, it’s not like the concept of 5v5 never had a chance to work. It’s just this game can’t balance there is always some kind of hard meta and there isn’t as much counter play and outplay ability
Only thing i hated about the play test is that its literally ow1 zarya needs her double bubble for herself and hog needs pig pen and rechargable vape
Too bad. They only gave them those abilities _because_ it was 5v5.
They absolutely do not need those back. Zarya is really good in the 6v6 test as is, and hog is only a problem in metal ranks because the people who play him there are awful at him.
@@sswampp yeah if anything zarya is already too good. last thing we want is to give her the ability to double bubble herself or teammates.
@@sswampphog is very dependent on his team and on the enemy team not to counter. Which in the metal ranks neither of those are guaranteed.
No PvE, no player engagement from me, not sorry Blizz
Healers can't heal for shit in 6v6
Preach!
Overwatch suffering from its long history as a game and its gotten rammed up the butt for too long, now it's way too complicated. It needs a complete do-over to survive...
6v6 so fun play it more then rak
Waiting for 12 v 12 next season OMEGALUL
When is cyx coming back to marvel rivals?
The real question is when is 6v6 officially coming back to OW2.
I hate to break it to u but 6v6 ow2 > Marvel Rivals
@ I don’t know about that. Rivals is more fun at the moment.
holy moly the ego on that chatter "one more player means one more dogshit teammate i have to carry 😒"
Yeah he has an ego but he ain’t entirely wrong. More often than not your teammates will be complete 5hit. I’m barely average at this game and even I am baffled at how terrible my teammates are sometimes. Me personally I don’t find it fun at all sweating my balls off getting cortisol levels through the roof trying to carry a team.
At this point...i really don't care what direction Blizzard decided to do with Overwatch.
I gave up on this game. Even if they make 6v6 permanent.....they still suck at balancing there character or even listen to people feedback....and that does suck about Blizzard.
I feel like hazard is so much better in 6V6 because you can actually go in deep and get all the squishes while your other tank pressures the front, so either the off tank peels for the two supports you have in a chokehold and let the tank and dps 3V5 or they just let the supports get rolled 😊
hog will love 6v6, but others not.
You prefer X TO Y, not “over.”
6v6 is the best 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Sooooo true 6v6 sooo good
I'm a 6v6 enthusiastic player
Belson from Clarence = opinion not valid
Yes and may the game die if they don't bring back 6v6
Same
6v6 makes tank so fun again
5v5 i like more gooder
I prefer 5v5
Obviously
no way!
Max 3 min 1 is gonna be a huge issue with either 3 tanks or 3 supports on the field, the supports just do way too much in this game they’re just better DPS most of the time with heals and sustain abilities
6v6 was always better, blizzard just failed for so long with no competition... now they have competition, they're getting face rolled, and the deserve it. RIP OW1, OW2 has been trash since launch
Every single point that cyx makes about 6v6 vs 5v5 is just not true.
1. He says at 6:10 that 6v6 metas are less stagnant and locked in. Simply not true. That was almost always the case in 6v6. There were years long spans where the meta characters would never change. Double shield, goats, D.va (in general), pig pull (hog orisa). High-ranked meta stagnation has nothing to do with format and everything to do with balance patch frequency. The more changes there are, the less concrete metas become.
2. Cyx also says that it becomes easier to carry in 6v6 than 5v5. Also not true. He cites that it’s because one shit player represents a smaller portion of the team. That’s true and makes sense but the inverse is also true. You as a player make up a smaller portion of your team, making it harder for you to carry your shit teammate.
3. Cyx also says that have a throwing tank on your team is less detrimental but this is also not true on a large scale. Yes, in a single game one throwing tank is easier to win with, but this does not consider all possibilities. If you chart the tank throwing possibilities on a punnett square, you would find that the ratio of even tank matchups to uneven ones is actually worse in 6v6. Trust me, I’ve mapped it out. If you include columns and rows for both combinations of throwing tanks in 6v6 the ratio of even matchups (e) to uneven matchups (u) is 6e:10u or 1e:1.67u. If you only include one row and column for only one tank throwing, the ratio is 3e:6u or 1e:2u. This does not even factor in the difference in severe uneven-ness that occurs when both tanks on one team are throwing and neither tanks on the other team are throwing. In comparison, the 5v5 ratios are 2e:2u or 1e:1u. For those who do not understand I’ll put it simply. There are more uneven tank matchups for every even matchup with two tanks on each team rather than one tank as shown by the ratios. This is assuming that one tank on your team is obviously not doing well in comparison to the other tanks in the match which can and is mitigated by matchmaking.
Marvel Rivals has competitive games, and I can run it down with my tank duo where synergy is a mechanic. Blizzard just ignores people's feedback and just makes tank more unfun each season.
Any tank main prefers 6v6 for A LOT of reasons
The main reason it has to be comp is for some reason people only want to watch comp even if it's a new gamemode.
Based
Im in the minority that like 5v5 better. Sure there are times tank diff are huge but in general, its fine.
Buh
Offtank main wants 6v6 what a surprise.
He played main tank too in overwatch 1, I saw him play rein and ball quite a bit in some of his ow1 streams. And yes ball was a main tank.
The fact that there are offtanks still in a 1 tank meta is diabolical
5v5 is good, BUT NEED OPEN ROLE QUEUE. Less confusing, with all the same freedom and fun
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You want to know what’s better then 6v6 marvel rivals
Cause you’re an actual person with objective takes and not a blizzard shill like most 5v5 cultists
i mean, i dont hate 5x5, but i see why people just love 6x6 more. it give tanks a break and I apreciate it
You know it's all opinions right? at the end of the day some just like 5v5 more and vice versa. You setting the bar to objectivity to an opinion you like is weird
@@pandatree66 nah it really is jist better. Ive only played ow2 and in the first few games of 6v6 i can already see that the game is just designed for the mode.
i like 5v5 more
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