@@asadchoudhry1927 First the overall audio was bad. Then the quality improved but only coming from the left side. Then that was fixed, also. What counts is the total content we got from this, and that was a lot.
its hard to believe how negatively cenk gets portrayed in the comment. i have never once heard cenk take a pro hamas stance, all he ever does is try to speak out against killing palestinian and israeli citizens. i dont think he needs me to say it, but please keep fighting for the lives of civilians cenk. your words will always fall on def ears, and yet, they need to be said.
Calling for no more killings on both sides is these days referred to as antisemitism. The media and most governments have been made to bend to these demands and they have obliged. + The world is full of easily manipulatable idiots.
56:47 Turn on CC. That’s Luis Moreno Ocampo, the first Prosecutor at the International Criminal Court (ICC). He served from 2003 to 2012. Ocampo led the investigation into the Darfur conflict, which resulted in arrest warrants for Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir. He also prosecuted crimes in Uganda and the Democratic Republic of Congo. Ocampo's legal approach focused on gathering evidence and building cases for trials against individuals, not states. Here, he’s directly countering Natasha Hausdorff’s point on state sovereignty, pointing out that international law overrides sovereignty when it comes to mass atrocities. He’s applying the legal principle that the ICC has jurisdiction even if a nation doesn't agree to cooperate, as seen in his handling of Sudan’s refusal to cooperate.
THANKYOU for caring and providing CONTEXT. You are a warrior for all humanity. I applaud you for speaking up in the face of this atrocity. If 85% of people in the USA and other first world countries would get their news online bs watching NBC NIGHTLY 15 minutes then all commercials….and nothing on this genocide…..yet Russia steals kids to Russify them (still abhorrent) the entire first world outraged!!! With this genocide that is 1000 times worse it uh, we don’t know, uh yeah but October whatever the fuck date was our 911--abhorrent. I’m physically ill and posting everywhere to wake people up!
Never deny your God given Common Sense on what is just or unjust. It is simply sad to “intellectually” justify one’s heartlessness by standing behind manmade legal technicalities and the self-exaltation of supposed good deeds all while killing the very innocent people which you provide aid. It is not a good example.
Exactly- if what this lady is saying is true, why doesn’t Israel present this evidence to the ICC for the world to see? Instead Israel opts for a technicality defence using jurisdiction- lol
หลายเดือนก่อน
@@raywolff9886 It's funny, bc when Israel points out that Gaza has not been occupied since 2005, pro-palestinians resort to saying that Gaza was still 'technically' occupied since Israel controlled their air-space and borders (the Egyptian border aparently not-withstanding). Such children. You chose the path of lawfare, then complain when the laws don't go your way. Much like the Arabs always choosing war, then complaining when it doesnt go their way...
@@andrewm4767 More importantly, why did Israel BAN ALL FOREIGN MEDIA right at the beginning of their ground.offensive. If they had nothing to hide, why ban International media?
I get it. She says things based on her expertise and understanding of the facts that run counter to the BS you decided to believe without any real inquiry and SHE is the one who is not to be believed.
It's admirable that TYT would put up such a video where Cenk is absolutely crushed by this lady... While she's referring to law and facts he acts like an offended 5 year old and just cries out "Mommy, she called me a parasite againnnn..." (which btw - she didn't...)
Quran98/6 is what everyone should be sick of, after the footage from oct7. SahihBukhari2926, core islamic scriptures, commands to fight jews until the end of time when trees and rocks call out where they hide.
@@strictlyroots7343 Natasha is a unfeeling robot. An NPC. Her talking points were route and because Cenk was honest and spoke clearly when she tried to say things that work against a human spokesman they fell flat. Made her look stupid and non humans. She was pathetic.
Yeah even the word 'Semite' is being hijacked and misused. The Palestinians natives are the true descendants of Semite..not those bogus European 'jews'. DNA cannot lie...
There are plenty of Jews and plenty of Israeli Jews who criticise Israel, bud. Are we all antisemites, too. All people have sometimes criticised their own government's actions or cultural inconsistencies. Jews are no different, brother. What is your particular gripe with the Israelis, anyway. Shalom.
Awesome cenk... cenk for standing with the oppressors of gazans, standing with aid thieves and brutal rap1$+ regime. Make the gazans poor for their mega tunnels projects. misuse the money for the comfort of the regimes (look at sinwar's wife and her 32k birkin bag) while not giving free poilio vaccines just like the israel gave to 25% of gazans population
@the.falcon Conference of Zionists in 1899 Baltimore, MD: "We Will COLONIZE Palestine". Their words. THEIR WORDS. Stop trying to rewrite history. The founding fathers of Zionism were OPEN about their colonial intent. Also read Theodore Herzl's Zionist writings from 1897. He clearly states his intentions and plans to colonize Palestine. Your propaganda won't work in the age of the Internet like it did in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s when you had all our parents brainwashed.
This was disappointing. They weren't arguing about the same things. The lawyer was referring to international law and the ICC (which was supposed to be the topic). Cenk was arguing why Israel is bad and genocidal, but not from a perspective of law, other than a flimsy understanding of the word "genocide". He uses a lot of narrative and story telling to paint a blood libel against Israel. I didn't learn much from this, other than that international law is complicated, and it requires more than just rhetoric to understand it. Also, Cenk clearly doesn't understand the difference in culture and ideology that is involved here. He thinks that every conflict around the world is the same and involves morally equivalent sides in opposition. He thinks Israel is to Gazans as the Ottoman Empire is to Armenians. Not even close. He tries to chisel away at the definition of "genocide" until it's almost the same as "hate crime", but he doesn't give the numbers for the Armenian Genocide, to which he compares Israel's war. The Turks killed about a million Armenians.
And this is quite the same but on a small scale. Also, Israel has to keep the pretense of ausible deniability when it comes to genocide, or else they would be the ultimate rogue and pariah nation. All your false claims of antisemitism only serve to denigrate the identities of every Jew who has been targeted by antisemites. Criticizing the state of Israel isn't blood libel. Antisemitism is losing credibility as a concept due the behavior of those supporting Israel's war crimes. No matter what anyone says, this isn't a complicated issue. It's a subjugated population being systematically murder on mass scale.
@@jamesmarcus2043 lawyers that defend criminals in court also tend to sound well-versed in the legal aspects of the case before the court. Bias confirmation will be distorting one's interpretation of her points to argument.
Natasha is brilliant and her argument is devastating, and this is not her best performance. Cenk is making child like arguments and she is treating him seriously. She should be kinder and say "no sweetie, that's not how anything works in the grown up world." She can and should be condescending because he is so far below her. He doesn't really understand anything about international law and she is an expert.
@@ohiomom100 she was like an NPC route statements "you can't believe the figures cenk gives because they come from humans". No Cenk specifically used IDF figures. Blood liable, but children are dead. No she failed utterly because she was a robot
Nope. Cenk arguments are debunked by Natasha as below: do your own research - ICJ protocol, and Chief Judge ICJ misused power being exposed why ICJ Vice President from Uganda - ICJ did not abide by its own law, Uti Possidetis Juri general international law for israel borders (inherited from Bristish Mandate) and official territory (include Gaza Judea Sumeria Jerusalem) - Palestine is not a country because failed to fulfill international law as a country. but is a political product by getting UN members' vote politically. - COGAT for 50% more than required calorie by humanitarian law, food truck, at least 3 crossing - Egypt's responsibility African Union Convention on Refugees to open RAfah borders, provide safe space to gazans preventing humanitarian aid falls into hands of hamas - FRC for debunking IPC report - Oslo Accord details that show Palestine Authority dont have legal jusdification in ICJ - Proportionality concept in international military law, proofs: Military assessment by UK US NATO - Law of proportional, Law of precaution, Law of neccessity
@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla Haha Big yawn again. The world is awake. Try again with your misleading half truths. You people think the world us full of fools. Israel will fall. If not today, tomorrow. Cope with it.
@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla Cogat ? Yeah , really an independent source. We are impressed. Israels useful idiots are working overtime it seems. Nothing of what you did mention is true. Nothing. Zero. Your long and boring comments show us you are clearly not an expert on the matter. Copy and paste. Impressive work. What a joke 😅
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxlaAh, and while we’re talking about ‘tolerant’ interpretations and ‘religious freedom,’ let’s refresh some memories with real facts. Take a close look: 👉 Algeria 🇩🇿: Jewish population before 1950? 140,000. Today? 100. Ethnic cleansing at 99.93%… not bad for pacifists, right? 👉 Lebanon 🇱🇧: Before 1950? 22,000. Today? 30. 99.86% less ‘tolerance,’ impressive. 👉 Egypt 🇪🇬: 80,000 in 1948. Today? 100. A 'coincidence' at 99.88%, apparently. 👉 Morocco 🇲🇦: 250,000 in 1940. Currently? 2,500. So, 99% 'spontaneous departures,' we suppose. 👉 Iraq 🇮🇶: 150,000 in 1947. Now? 10. Ethnic cleansing, 'subtle' edition. 🇮🇱 Creation of Israel - 1948 Even before its declaration of independence, Israel was attacked by several Arab countries, including Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon, which rejected the 1947 partition plan. This war allowed Israel to defend itself and establish itself as a sovereign state while also leading to the mass exodus of Palestinians. So, what’s your excuse? ‘Tolerance’ and ‘coexistence’ with double standards? And here, comparisons with Zionism are carefully avoided, because the facts speak for themselves: on one side, a democracy; on the other, regimes enforcing Sharia, oppressing LGBTQ+ communities, and turning a blind eye to slavery. So no, Islamism and Zionism are not the same. --- 💫 Understand Better 💫 Sura 5:51 “O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.” 💫 Sura 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.” ⚖ Additional Facts on Gaza and Sharia 🇵🇸 Gaza (Apostasy, Homosexuality, and Hijab) Under Hamas, Sharia law imposes strict moral surveillance: 💫 Apostasy: Multiple reports show apostates are persecuted. For example, in 2018, Ashraf Abou Leila, suspected of abandoning Islam, was executed on vague charges of ‘espionage.’ Hadith: Sahih Bukhari 9:57 - "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." Quran: Sura 4:89 - "Kill them wherever you find them." 💫 Homosexuality: Homosexuality is illegal, punishable by imprisonment. Testimonies reveal that homosexuals from Gaza flee to Israel to escape persecution. In 2016, Ali, a young gay Gazan, testified about risking his life to exile himself. Quran: Sura 7:80-81 - "And Lot, when he said to his people, ‘Do you commit indecency while you see it?’” (a reference to the prohibition of homosexual acts). 💫 Hijab: Women are strongly encouraged or even forced to wear the hijab under threat of social or familial disapproval. In 2009, Hamas imposed the hijab on schoolgirls in public institutions, a decision criticized by human rights groups. Hadith: Sahih Muslim 24:5300 - "A woman who goes out without the hijab has incited perversion and exposed her private parts." --- 🌍 Other Regional Examples 🇸🇾 Syria (Massacres and Civil War) 500,000 deaths since the beginning of the conflict. Comparison: Gaza with 2% (40K out of 2 million) losses is called a genocide, but massacres in Syria are ignored. Algeria: Over 200,000 dead! Nigeria: 82% of Christians killed worldwide are in Nigeria. . 🇦🇫 Afghanistan (Veil and Apostasy) Women are banned from education and forced to wear the burqa. Law: Apostasy is punishable by death under Article 130 of the Constitution. Hadith: Sahih Bukhari 83:37 - "Whoever abandons Islam, kill him." . 🇮🇷 Iran (Blasphemy and Women’s Rights) Women in Iran face imprisonment or death for 'crimes' like blasphemy or refusing the veil. In 2022, Mahsa Amini died in detention after being arrested by the morality police. This theology does not protect; it kills. Quran: Sura 33:59 - "O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves part of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused." 🇲🇾 Malaysia (Homosexuality) Homosexuality is punishable by 20 years in prison and lashes. Law: Syariah Act of 1997, Section 28. Quran: Sura 4:16 - "And the two among you who commit homosexuality, punish them if you can." 🇮🇩 Indonesia Homosexuality and extramarital relations are punishable under Islamic law applied in certain provinces, such as Aceh. Hadith: Sahih Muslim 17:4192 - "100 lashes for adultery." --- 🗽💫 Cases of Christian Conversions and Death Sentences 🇮🇷 Iran - **Youcef Nadarkhani** Christian pastor Youcef Nadarkhani was arrested for apostasy in Iran. According to Article 513 of the Iranian Penal Code, apostasy is punishable by death. Nadarkhani was imprisoned in 2009 for refusing to renounce his Christian faith. 🇮🇶 Iraq - **Meriam Ibrahim** A Sudanese Christian woman, Meriam Ibrahim, was sentenced to death for apostasy in 2014 after marrying a Christian. Under Article 126 of the Sudanese Penal Code, apostasy is a crime punishable by death. Meriam was imprisoned and mistreated for her conversion before being released following international pressure. 🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia - **Raif Badawi** Saudi blogger Raif Badawi was sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes for insulting Islam and creating an online discussion forum. Article 6 of Saudi Arabia’s cybercrime law prescribes severe penalties, including the death penalty, for content deemed blasphemous. --- 💫 Conclusion The Nazis lost children. Should we give them a lollipop 🍬 for every child lost? Under Sharia, children are forced into marriage and sometimes die as a result. A lollipop 🍬 for every child who dies? --- 🎯 HYPOCRITE Your "genocide" in Gaza? 2% losses, a growing population. Israel left Gaza in 2006, yet it's still labeled an "invasion," while silence reigns over the 500,000 deaths in Syria. This Israeli "racism"? Voting rights, businesses, specific aid for Israeli Arabs. If suffering truly mattered to you, if human rights were at the core of your values, why this selective silence? Why not denounce modern slavery in Iraq, women confined in Afghanistan, those barred from work or speech in Iran, or homosexuals publicly flogged in Malaysia? No, you chose Israel. 𝐁𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐮𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐢𝐭 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐚. You speak of protecting children, of humanity, but you're willing to sacrifice everything to fuel an ideology that leaves only ruin and death. If you truly loved your children, you wouldn't expose them to this hatred. You wouldn't weaponize every tear, every death, to justify your lies. The real tragedy is seeing a people manipulated for a cause that offers them nothing but destruction. Stop lying, stop exploiting suffering. The truth is simple: your fight is not for life, but for darkness. 𝐅𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐢𝐜, 𝐚 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐮𝐧𝐟𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐮𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐢𝐭𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟. Those hypocrites who pose as anti-totalitarian knights? They are the greatest defenders of totalitarianism. The more they talk about it, the more they feed it. 𝑻𝒉𝒐𝒔𝒆 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒄𝒍𝒂𝒊𝒎 𝒕𝒐 𝒇𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕 𝒐𝒑𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒐𝒇𝒕𝒆𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒇𝒊𝒓𝒔𝒕 𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒑𝒍𝒊𝒄𝒆𝒔 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚 𝒐𝒑𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏. They can answer in the negative because denying, diverting the facts, laughing... AD hominem This is the methodology of the fascists.
Natasha Hausdorff's perspective is disconnected from the reality of the situation. When someone refuses to acknowledge the genuine grievances and suffering of people in Gaza, especially when it’s about issues like human rights and the quest for peace, it’s clear they’re missing the larger context. Instead of understanding the complexities and the legitimate frustrations, she seems to reduce it all to a simplistic and dangerous narrative, framing everything as part of a global anti-Jewish conspiracy. This kind of thinking ignores the calls for justice, peace, and an end to violence, which are shared by many who aren’t seeking bloodshed but a real solution to the conflict.
There is a fixation on the conflict that is obsessive. It receives a lot of media attention, the same situation with the partition of India. The Muslim minorities wish to rule themselves resulted in the creation of Pakistan. Of course the injustice that hindus feel after being ethnically cleansed from Pakistan is not as important as the Palestinians. That's unfair and it's a form of antisemitism. Palestinians can inherit their refugee status, most of the real refugees are already dead, that's crazy, why are Palestinians more important than other refugees? You guessed it, to prolong the conflict and punish the Jews.
@@IvorNovello112 A fixation on the conflict isn't necessarily obsessive; it reflects people coming together to solve a problem, which is a core part of human nature. When a conflict persists, it draws attention because it involves real lives, real struggles, and the need for resolution. When you think about it, conflict resolution isn't just about finding peace; it's about addressing the underlying issues that people can't move past. In this case, it’s not just about land or territory-it’s about identity, historical narratives, and deep-rooted emotions on all sides. The fixation exists because both Palestinians and Israelis see themselves as the rightful owners of the same land, and those feelings have been passed down through generations. Now, the comparison to the partition of India adds another layer to this. The creation of Pakistan was meant to establish a homeland for Muslims who felt they couldn’t live in a Hindu-majority India, just like the creation of Israel was for Jews who wanted a homeland after centuries of persecution. But in both cases, the establishment of new borders came with violence, displacement, and a legacy of unresolved grievances. It's a painful truth that both Hindus in Pakistan and Palestinians in Israel (and their descendants) continue to live with the scars of displacement. As for why the Palestinian situation seems to receive more attention, it’s complex. Some argue that the media and international organizations focus more on Palestine because of the power dynamics involved. Israel is often seen as the more powerful, Western-backed nation, while Palestinians are viewed as the underdog. This dynamic can create a narrative that attracts more sympathy for one side, especially when it’s framed as a David versus Goliath situation. However, the notion that the Palestinian cause is being used to “punish the Jews” is a point that requires careful unpacking. The tragic history of Jewish persecution and the establishment of Israel cannot be ignored, but it’s also crucial to recognize that the Palestinian people have endured hardship and displacement for decades, often through no fault of their own. The reality is that the conflict isn’t as simple as one side being "punished"; it’s a tangled web of historical grievances, territorial disputes, and competing national identities that have been manipulated by both internal and external forces. And regarding refugee status, yes, the fact that Palestinian refugees' descendants can inherit their status, unlike most refugees, is unique. But this isn’t about prioritizing Palestinians over others-it's a consequence of the unresolved nature of the conflict. Refugee status becomes a tool for perpetuating the narrative of displacement, rather than a clear path to integration or resolution. Meanwhile, other refugees around the world don’t have the same inherited status because their situations, while tragic, are often part of broader international refugee solutions, which do not focus on returning to the homeland as a primary goal. In the end, the focus on this conflict often feels disproportionate because it embodies so many global issues-colonialism, religion, nationalism, human rights-issues that continue to be relevant today. But that doesn’t mean the suffering of others should be overlooked. All refugees, whether Palestinian or otherwise, deserve the right to a future free from fear and uncertainty.
@@thesensiblestreamer2958 what do you think about the fact that Israel gets condemned 15-20 times a year? Russia and Iran who are serial human rights abusers receives criticism maybe 0-1 time a year. Is that a reflection of reality? You think the UN is biased and against the Jewish state or does that indicate something else? Israel is a democratic state and those countries are the opposite. If a Jew sets his fot in the Palestinian areas he will have his head chopped of becuase antisemitism is rampant in the Middle East. If a Palestinian need to go through a security check it’s apartheid
@@thesensiblestreamer2958 Natasha was limited to talking only about the legal framework in this debate. She answered the human rights aspect of the conflict, there is no other Army in the world that is so dedicated to human rights as the IDF and that is a fact. The US army killed many more civilians in Irak and Afghanistan. Israel is a democracy that is operating in one the least democratic part of the world. To dominate others in the most brutal way is the norm in the Middle East and how you deter others, it’s in the mentality of the people and not only it’s leadership. If you think that the Other side have any respect for human rights or lives you are mistaken. To not set the same moral standards for the Arab population is a sort of racism, that means that you think the Arabs population is morally inferior, is that what you are suggesting? Because that should be considered racism from the political left. Furthermore, as I have mentioned before, Israel gets condemned by the UN 15-20 times per year. Serial human rights abusers like China, Russia and Iran may get condemned by the international community 0-1 times per year. Does that seem like a reflection of the human rights situation in the world? This is antisemitism, treatment of the Jewish state and Jews differently. Single out the Jewish state. This is what Natasha is referring to. The Palestinians are feeling frustration because they live like refugees in the neighbouring countries. It’s a status they inherit, no other refugees inherit that status, it’s a part of the continuing information war against Israel. They are being treated like second class citizens because they are being used as tools in a cynical way by the neighbouring countries. They are being fed with propaganda and told that they have a right of return. It’s a right that they don’t have since they have lost an offensive war that their leader started. That’s the real tragedy, that their own Arab brothers won’t give them equal rights in the counties they are meant to be resettled in. The Jewish refugees from the Arab world have been taken care of by Israel, the Palestinians are being fed with lies that they can return. Thats evil to the core and the root cause of their frustration.
@@IvorNovello112 why I love the reference to India, Hindus, Kashmir, and Pakistan. Kashmiri pandits have endured TONS of cruelty in Kashmir but the issue is they are "safe" in India whereas Palestinian muslims don't really have Arab countries eager to grant them full equal legal status. Kashmiri Pandits are 100% indian citizens despite being Pandits and Kashmiri which means they are "allegedly " Pakistani in POK and Indian in Indian Kashmir/Ladakh/Jammu but in Pakistan's eyes Kashmiri pandits don't really matter either way they are more just a nuisance and a symbol of Hindu/Indian oppression all over Islamic Kashmir so Kashmiri pandits are pretty much played by both sides.
She's clearly a great lawyer, I'd have her represent me! I've no idea what her personal views are, but anyone who has access to any kind of non-Israeli media knows what's going on in Gaza and beyond.
lol she's a terrible lawyer, all she was doing was reciting the same Israeli talking points we see regurgitated again and again, how is that being a good lawyer?
If you can't work out what her personal views are, after an hour in which she basically laid out her personal views, then that does not make her a good lawyer
@@SnoopyDanielsNo good explaining to him or her looks like a bloke but I had a peep at their page and he is so far left he is walking in circles, yup, too far unable to retrieve any sense
because you dont understand legal terms. that's why. i feel refreshing when i hear she explain the misrepresentation of legal terms and the fundamental law that determines the borders of israel "uti possidetis juri" general law. She have detailed explanation about the current situation and the falsehood of media presenting facts, also when icj misuse its power throwing its principles into garbage bins. She also called out that ICJ and ICC make judgement based on false claims presented and not verify the misleading "evidence" before making official statements. She pointed out that UN is just a hall of politics where you can form a state as long as you give enough political benefits to enough members of UN. while Cenk just gave emotional empty statements that is not helpful.
I am not sure if this debate was effective since one representative, Natasha, followed the guidelines and focused on the legality and International Court decisions while the other Czenk, who has no legal background, only spewled lies and misinformation driven by feelings.
@@jamesmarcus2043 how did he "spew lies and misinformation"? You sound like anti-vaxxers who routinely called evidence-based facts "misinformation" throughout the pandemic. Holding an opinion doesn't count as a rebuttal. Argue the merits of the facts he presented about war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Ah, and while we’re talking about ‘tolerant’ interpretations and ‘religious freedom,’ let’s refresh some memories with real facts. Take a close look: 👉 Algeria 🇩🇿: Jewish population before 1950? 140,000. Today? 100. Ethnic cleansing at 99.93%… not bad for pacifists, right? 👉 Lebanon 🇱🇧: Before 1950? 22,000. Today? 30. 99.86% less ‘tolerance,’ impressive. 👉 Egypt 🇪🇬: 80,000 in 1948. Today? 100. A 'coincidence' at 99.88%, apparently. 👉 Morocco 🇲🇦: 250,000 in 1940. Currently? 2,500. So, 99% 'spontaneous departures,' we suppose. 👉 Iraq 🇮🇶: 150,000 in 1947. Now? 10. Ethnic cleansing, 'subtle' edition. 🇮🇱 Creation of Israel - 1948 Even before its declaration of independence, Israel was attacked by several Arab countries, including Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon, which rejected the 1947 partition plan. This war allowed Israel to defend itself and establish itself as a sovereign state while also leading to the mass exodus of Palestinians. So, what’s your excuse? ‘Tolerance’ and ‘coexistence’ with double standards? And here, comparisons with Zionism are carefully avoided, because the facts speak for themselves: on one side, a democracy; on the other, regimes enforcing Sharia, oppressing LGBTQ+ communities, and turning a blind eye to slavery. So no, Islamism and Zionism are not the same. --- 💫 Understand Better 💫 Sura 5:51 “O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.” 💫 Sura 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.” ⚖ Additional Facts on Gaza and Sharia 🇵🇸 Gaza (Apostasy, Homosexuality, and Hijab) Under Hamas, Sharia law imposes strict moral surveillance: 💫 Apostasy: Multiple reports show apostates are persecuted. For example, in 2018, Ashraf Abou Leila, suspected of abandoning Islam, was executed on vague charges of ‘espionage.’ Hadith: Sahih Bukhari 9:57 - "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." Quran: Sura 4:89 - "Kill them wherever you find them." 💫 Homosexuality: Homosexuality is illegal, punishable by imprisonment. Testimonies reveal that homosexuals from Gaza flee to Israel to escape persecution. In 2016, Ali, a young gay Gazan, testified about risking his life to exile himself. Quran: Sura 7:80-81 - "And Lot, when he said to his people, ‘Do you commit indecency while you see it?’” (a reference to the prohibition of homosexual acts). 💫 Hijab: Women are strongly encouraged or even forced to wear the hijab under threat of social or familial disapproval. In 2009, Hamas imposed the hijab on schoolgirls in public institutions, a decision criticized by human rights groups. Hadith: Sahih Muslim 24:5300 - "A woman who goes out without the hijab has incited perversion and exposed her private parts." --- 🌍 Other Regional Examples 🇸🇾 Syria (Massacres and Civil War) 500,000 deaths since the beginning of the conflict. Comparison: Gaza with 2% (40K out of 2 million) losses is called a genocide, but massacres in Syria are ignored. Algeria: Over 200,000 dead! Nigeria: 82% of Christians killed worldwide are in Nigeria. . 🇦🇫 Afghanistan (Veil and Apostasy) Women are banned from education and forced to wear the burqa. Law: Apostasy is punishable by death under Article 130 of the Constitution. Hadith: Sahih Bukhari 83:37 - "Whoever abandons Islam, kill him." . 🇮🇷 Iran (Blasphemy and Women’s Rights) Women in Iran face imprisonment or death for 'crimes' like blasphemy or refusing the veil. In 2022, Mahsa Amini died in detention after being arrested by the morality police. This theology does not protect; it kills. Quran: Sura 33:59 - "O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves part of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused." 🇲🇾 Malaysia (Homosexuality) Homosexuality is punishable by 20 years in prison and lashes. Law: Syariah Act of 1997, Section 28. Quran: Sura 4:16 - "And the two among you who commit homosexuality, punish them if you can." 🇮🇩 Indonesia Homosexuality and extramarital relations are punishable under Islamic law applied in certain provinces, such as Aceh. Hadith: Sahih Muslim 17:4192 - "100 lashes for adultery." --- 🗽💫 Cases of Christian Conversions and Death Sentences 🇮🇷 Iran - **Youcef Nadarkhani** Christian pastor Youcef Nadarkhani was arrested for apostasy in Iran. According to Article 513 of the Iranian Penal Code, apostasy is punishable by death. Nadarkhani was imprisoned in 2009 for refusing to renounce his Christian faith. 🇮🇶 Iraq - **Meriam Ibrahim** A Sudanese Christian woman, Meriam Ibrahim, was sentenced to death for apostasy in 2014 after marrying a Christian. Under Article 126 of the Sudanese Penal Code, apostasy is a crime punishable by death. Meriam was imprisoned and mistreated for her conversion before being released following international pressure. 🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia - **Raif Badawi** Saudi blogger Raif Badawi was sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes for insulting Islam and creating an online discussion forum. Article 6 of Saudi Arabia’s cybercrime law prescribes severe penalties, including the death penalty, for content deemed blasphemous. --- 💫 Conclusion The Nazis lost children. Should we give them a lollipop 🍬 for every child lost? Under Sharia, children are forced into marriage and sometimes die as a result. A lollipop 🍬 for every child who dies? --- 🎯 HYPOCRITE Your "genocide" in Gaza? 2% losses, a growing population. Israel left Gaza in 2006, yet it's still labeled an "invasion," while silence reigns over the 500,000 deaths in Syria. This Israeli "racism"? Voting rights, businesses, specific aid for Israeli Arabs. If suffering truly mattered to you, if human rights were at the core of your values, why this selective silence? Why not denounce modern slavery in Iraq, women confined in Afghanistan, those barred from work or speech in Iran, or homosexuals publicly flogged in Malaysia? No, you chose Israel. 𝐁𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐮𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐢𝐭 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐚. You speak of protecting children, of humanity, but you're willing to sacrifice everything to fuel an ideology that leaves only ruin and death. If you truly loved your children, you wouldn't expose them to this hatred. You wouldn't weaponize every tear, every death, to justify your lies. The real tragedy is seeing a people manipulated for a cause that offers them nothing but destruction. Stop lying, stop exploiting suffering. The truth is simple: your fight is not for life, but for darkness. 𝐅𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐢𝐜, 𝐚 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐮𝐧𝐟𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐮𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐢𝐭𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟. Those hypocrites who pose as anti-totalitarian knights? They are the greatest defenders of totalitarianism. The more they talk about it, the more they feed it. 𝑻𝒉𝒐𝒔𝒆 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒄𝒍𝒂𝒊𝒎 𝒕𝒐 𝒇𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕 𝒐𝒑𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒐𝒇𝒕𝒆𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒇𝒊𝒓𝒔𝒕 𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒑𝒍𝒊𝒄𝒆𝒔 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚 𝒐𝒑𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏. ____ What understand is that they use the masses like the fascists. Attack the person, not the arguments, divert the subject, laugh, cry, scream in short, deny .Any movement created on the negation of principle is doomed to create its opposite. In the end, the Sunnis become Koranists... they have no refuge to lie and the left puts itself in a corner and shuts up. It's a basic and simple logic except that this time no. The truth has been manipulated too much.
@@way2jaded1 Lol this looks exactly like a leak, AD hominem attacking the person never the argument . A confession of cowards to divert attention because they are ashamed But above all a very small brain and nothing to say 💯
No matter which side you fall on this issue. It is clear who the real human is in this debate vs someone just representing an organization that pays well.
Didn't anyone tell Natasha how debates work? She is supposed to be laying out her counter-argument not just saying over and over again that her opponent is wrong and telling lies. I mean if she wants to waste her time fine maybe she will make a point later.
That is how Israelis like to do their propaganda. If you tell the lie enough times people are going to believe them. They learnt by the best….Their courageous Big Brother.
She thinks approaching this debate as a lawyer will appeal to her audience... ah no. Children were killed but because some legal document justifies the genocide it is okay? In addition she actually talked down to her audience instead of addressing them as human beings capable of thought. Her condescending tone is so annoying. Israel is investigating itself (IDF) so that is the information we should refer to... ah no. Who gives a da*n what the IDF says, we want to hear from an unbiased third party. Also UK lawyers for Israel is not an unbiased third party and telling us the information is on YOUR website is not an unbiased source of information. Ludicrous.
@@BaphometicDescentNo Simpleton not Hamas. You people hide behind Hamas and the victimhood status. Pathetic. We have plenty of international media that want ro enter Gaza. Hamas gave their ok. Guess who didn't you dumb sh*thead
@@BaphometicDescent Who is speaking on behalf of Hamas? Are you that small minded and have such a lack of comprehension that you can't understand that the average Palestinian has nothing to do with Hamas. If you want to talk about people sipping the kool-aid you don't have to look any further than the extremist nut case leaders in Israel. When an Israeli person talks out against the actions and policies of their own gov't and that gov't actually labels them self-hating Jews it speaks volumes about that gov't.
Because no real lawyer can put his name on such lies. Cenk is presented as a 'political comentator' and that is all the level he brought to the debate - propaganda.
@@RobertJung-q6z Cenk in a graduate of UPenn’s Wharton School of Business for his undergrad and received his Lw Degree from Columbia University. If you actually watched and listened (key being listened), maybe you would have heard that…
because everyone from india to europe alot of asian counties south america all think islam is pretty extreme and dosent wanna help em after 1400 years of islam conquests and constant conflicts and when this fact is pointed out they label us Islamophobic......what a joke does christianphobic or hinduphobic exist?
LMAO please yudaism is the extreme and essential want to help that's why the world didn't accept yewish refugees they are torubke makers meanwhile Islam helped get world and Europe out of the dark ages Try again
Look how Natasha is saying ICJ doesn’t have the jurisdiction to punish Israel for the genocide. But not denying committing it. Her only defence against genocide is, I was there once. There were other people in Gaza too. Like the doctors who reported kids getting headshots.
1st and 2nd prof already debunk cenk "Gxide" claim. there is not icj ruling that state there is Gxide in gaza (1st Prof). 2nd prof debunk cenk "Gxide" by showing UAE get to give medical aid to gazans with the help of israel and israel stop fighting to vaccinate 25% of the population (which is hams responsibilities over 16 yrs). 2nd Prof also catch Cenk purposely neglet the legal terms and misrepresenting "Gxide" definition. And here you are repeating the lies of cenk. Cenk himself couldn't even give a strong proof to defy both Profs when they caught him giving false claim about Gxide publicly 3 times. Maybe you dont have such a thick skin like cenk but maybe a brain with lesser neurons connected than cenk's brain.
@greg6924 Biden claims to be a Christian Zionist. So he believes he needs to be on the side of Israel on everything. Trump has no such baggage. Even if the US recognises the annexation of the West Bank by Israel, EU would not. How long can the special relationship between Israel and the US last?
@@greg6924 that argument will remain necessary for as long as quran98/6 and sahihbukhari2926 are allowed to brainwash the populations of a 2billion people religion. Islamic CORE scripture was designed for the demise of all non-muslims, and for all time.
@@chefroxstarr9467 that’s in reference to accusations of Jews stealing organs, Jews orchestrating this because they are blood thirsty, Jews shooting Palestinian children for the fun of it etc.
Debate footage starts at 12:05 I swear... I value my time.. ive been noticing this too from other live coverages.. ✌️🙏. P.s. your 12 minute intro eats up data. I dont really "talk words" in my videos.. but atleast i do "something" 🤘🥁🎶
you are such a moral person who defy her without proving her wrong. which line which law which claim is incorrect? you can't prove that's why you attack her of losign moral without basis
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla the US deputy state department spokesman Vedant Patel stated at a press conference this week that only 45 aid trucks a day entered Gaza in the last month when it should be at least 350. To say that sufficient food is being provided is a lie.
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla im sure she is a nice person in most matters However when it comes to human and property rights of Palestinians it seems she uses her holy book to deny them. If only she was morally consistent and do to others as she wished for herself then I'd support her. Read about 1947 Haganah, Irgun and Lehi gangs and how the Nakba started with Plan Dalet.
@@exist7309Just this? Israel have been posting piles and trucks of aid stayed untouched for months in gaza collection point. Saying that aid distribution by humanitarian agency has low efficiency. Hamas attack on distribution trucks in gaza even make the situation worst. Same too you should take US UK NATO statement since you take theirs as reference for aid, you should take their judgement and statement as fact when they say Israel military code of conduct is higher than the required international standard. Never have Russia built refugee camps for Ukraine but Israel did. Never have Poland Moldova Romania reject helping Ukrainians but Egypt did. Israel has done more than enough
bravo brother Cenk vey proud of you very well done. She has no heart no conscious and no feeling whatsoever of sympathy for human being and chidden massacre and genocide .
bravo brother Cenk vey proud of you very well done. you have successfully eaern the thickest face skin when you repeat the lies after your lies are debunked by 2 prof for 3 times in 10 minutes.
Does she forget that one hospital where the IDF evicted all the staff and patients but forget to take the babies with them. 15 days later those babies were all found in the hospital and they had been left to whither away and die with no one there to care for them. If that doesn't horrify people what would!
@@OnlybyGrace-e57 The IDF kicked every person in the Hospital and told nurses that an Ambulance would be by to pick up the babies But the IDF simply left the babies about 15 to die . Heartbreaking!~
The perpetrators on oktober 7 are to be blamed for this war. in war civilians die and in wars raging in urban arreas with 10x more population density than normal in wars- a 10x larger collateral casualty count is to be expected. That's what Sinwar and Hamas expected too, which is why the oktober7 attack was carried out, in hope that Iran would join in from this horribe aftermath we see now. As for comparing armenians with gazans 9:27, the armenians were christians- while gazans are operating under islam, which propagates clear hatred for all non-muslims(quran98/6, q9/29) especially jews(sahihbukhari2926). Hausdorff is accused of gaslighting, but it's Uygur who does the gaslighting, ignoring the horrible difference between islam and the other abrahamic religions.
Yeah man the Jews _totally_ love Christian’s it’s not like they don’t try to undermine Christianity in Israel as well as throughout the world through Hollywood
"the horrible difference between Islam and the other Abrahamic religions" - as if such differences justify violence or genocide. This reasoning is not just flawed, it's deeply dangerous. A gross oversimplification and misrepresentation of a religion followed by over a billion people. Do you really believe that differences in religious texts are grounds for exterminating a group of people?
@@senioMseD islam was designed to undermine all earlier religions. study the quran instead of your tinfoil hat and learn something. again, quran98/6 says it very clearly.
@@thesensiblestreamer2958 okt7 justifies war and war in Gaza means horribly many dead. Hamas planned this. Accusing israel of genocide is heartless slander of a people who have seen the worst level of that- and which are spoken of in islamic CORE scipture as the worst of creatures. Who are to be fought until the end of time when rocks and trees begin to speak. Given that Gaza is a practically a kaliphate- that "horrible difference with islam" is indeed a cause for Israel to finish this war. Which, again, Hamas STARTED.
I like how she spends most of her time arguing jurisdiction instead of whether or not the actual genocide is being committed. If the act is committed outside of criminal jurisdiction, that doesnt mean the act wasnt committed
"You CAN trust the Israeli government. ...Because you OUGHT to trust the Israeli government .". WTF? What kinda lame logic is that!? Its logic for people with wodden brains.
Repulsive woman -- for all her legalistic verbiage, denying Israeli responsibility for the slaughter of tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians (or did I miss something 😢?).
@@karstenkailer4669 No sweetheart she is not right. She tells lies lies and lies. Educate yourself. Nazi Israel will be demolished. And you will see it happening before your eyes. It's actually happening right now as we speak. Enjoy
yet you can't prove her wrong, that's why you attack her personally. what a low class tactic - ICJ protocol, and Chief Judge ICJ misused power being exposed why ICJ Vice President from Uganda - ICJ did not abide by its own law, Uti Possidetis Juri general international law for israel borders (inherited from Bristish Mandate) and official territory (include Gaza Judea Sumeria Jerusalem) - Palestine is not a country because failed to fulfill international law as a country. but is a political product by getting UN members' vote politically. - COGAT for 50% more than required calorie by humanitarian law, food truck, at least 3 crossing - Egypt's responsibility African Union Convention on Refugees to open RAfah borders, provide safe space to gazans preventing humanitarian aid falls into hands of hamas - FRC for debunking IPC report - Oslo Accord details that show Palestine Authority dont have legal jusdification in ICJ - Proportionality concept in international military law, proofs: Military assessment by UK US NATO - Law of proportional, Law of precaution, Law of neccessity
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla Big yawn. You forgot to mention that the Mossad threatened the ICC prosecutor Bensouda for 10 years to drop the case against Israel. Now why would you do such a thing if you're ' innocent ' ? So your long and boring Gaslight hasbara nonsense is not going to convince us. Try again.
I don't know how productive this type of debate arrangement is. One where facts about thousands of children being killed by American bombs, are supposed to contend with an avalanche of legal jargon. But if you want to go down that road, how come the UN can casually declare a partition of a piece of land? Do you remember who gave 55% of Palestine to 600.000 Zionists and 45% of it to 1'300.000 Palestinians, who could trace their origins BACK to that land at least 1500 years ago? Why the fuck can the UN (which actually means the US) come a declare some filthy partition of someone else's land?
@@kreyvegas1 you don’t know what your talking about. That’s really not what happened that the US decided this. You need to read more to understand this conflict because it’s long and complicated. I can tell you that the arab narrative is a fraud
israel recognises international law does not equal accept the icj ruling. ICJ itself state that ICJ dont have the right to rule over non member states like Israel and US. the 1st Prof has also stated clearly with the support of ICJ statement that according to law, "Palestine" never a state because it didnt fit into the criteria of a staet. there is no palestine. "Palestine" now is just a politcal product of benefits exchange and the gather of radical ideologies states to gain UN votes. This is why ICJ never have the right to rule over israel when israel is non member and Palestine is not a state (supported by the !st Prof claiming that it is ICJ statement). Taking Taiwan as example, Taiwan is more qualified to be a state but because of not enough political bargains to get UN members vote, Taiwan now didnt get regconition. Now the problem is ICJ dumped their protocol the ICJ set themselves, misused of power by President of ICJ (being accused by Uganda Vice President of ICJ) to target Israel. Israel has done more than required by the international law (refer to John Spencer, urban warfare analyst)
Is she really claiming that the proof that IDF is adhering to the principle of proportionality, and is not in violation of international humanitarian law, is that the IDF:s own military lawyers says so, and that the goverments of the UK and the US (the most pro-Israel goverments in the world) agrees? And is she really implying that the IDF military lawyers are non-biased just because they sit outside the chain of command?
@@phillaysheo8Have you considered that the combination of her vocabulary and knowledge in international law simply went over your head? Cenk got embarrassed, but then again, he always does. 😂
@@jasonphilly2341 While the English lawyer's command of professional jargon and legal loopholes does go over the head of most people because most people are not trained lawyers. She uses this to intimidate ordinary people into ignoring the blatantly obvious. Fortunately, most ordinary people can understand obvious moral logic, if not contrived legal arguments. If an army obliterates 80% to 90% of a densely populated urban area with the civilians cooped up inside with nowhere to run to, this is pretty much a mass atrocity in itself, and that is the case regardless of the rights and wrongs of what triggered the conflict. Anyone but the most stupid on the one hand, or paid propagandists like this English lawyer on the other, can see this
@@Mngl1897 so I guess you'd like for her to apologize for being incredibly brilliant? Secondly, let me ask you a question. What is Israel supposed to do? Throw the white flag since Hamas hides behinds civilians? When a pro-palestine can answer this question, let me know. Hamas can surrender and itll all be over.
@@Mngl1897 sounds like you'd prefer if Natasha apologize for being incredibly brilliant. How dare she use big words! One question that pro palestine people can NEVER answer. What should a nation do when its enemy hides behind civilians? And dont say to use more precise operations. They used special ops and then got criticized for that too.
This woman making weak arguments hurts her position. She is not making technical arguments to a judge. Her weak positions indicate that she has no strong argument.
You're just jealous because she's not on your side. You have a petulant little child in Francesca Albanese to argue against Israel. Francesca has the intellect of a angry 5 year old and is a laughingstock.
@@YolandaSaldivar4eva IDF strictly adheres to international law. They have an exceptional legal system that reviews everything the IDF does. No army can eradicate rogue soldiers.
Am i the only person noticing that the "lawyer" constantly contradics herself? She doesnt see the icc and icj as valid courts but those are the only courts we have for international law. And she said israel does not agree to the icc and icj ergo we do not agree with international law and then she twists international law so far out of proportion to defend her point.
U don't understand what she said about icj icc. Icj doesn't recognised Palestine as a legal state.(from 1st prof). Icj don't have jurisdiction over non member state, which is icj working protocol. Israel non member state, while Palestine not a state according to Icj because it did not fulfill legal criteria of a state. That's why current chief of icj is abusing his power to target Israel where icj don't have this right at the first place. (vice president icj from Uganda accuse Chief Judge I J abuse his power, go against icj founding protocol) Getting seat in UN not equal Palestine is a legal state in terms of law.
that your imagination. she stood firm and caught cenk lies about "proportionality" schoolled him regarding the operation procedures of ICJ and ICC. She did well just like how she exposed medhi mirepresenting Balfour statement by labeling Balfour as antisemites eventhough Balfour statement is just pointing out the difference of ethnics groups in the society
Please can we have Francesca Albanese, an actual expert in international law, as she practices it, sit down with this ridiculous woman, whose greatest legal achievement is….clerk to the Supreme Court in Jerusalem !! That’s it, no evidence of her ever practicing law in any courtroom
Thank you Cenk for having thick face to repeat the propagandas eventhough being caught providing false claims and debunked by both professors at least 3 times in 20 minutes.
He looks like such an oaf next to her, he has no know idea what she is talking about so he reverts to the same rhetoric without being able to refute her arguments
Cenk prevents Palestine children and women die or suffer rather then go to the save place in Egypt. Ukrainians, Syrians, Sudanese and everyone else can escape, but accordingly to Cenk, Gazans are different. In every mordern war it is obligation, accourding to the international law, of the 3d party newtral country to accept the refugees. When it comes to arab country Egypt, Cenk believes that special rules apply.
That's because Cenk is a Neo-Ottoman Islamic fascist imperialist in a disguise of a liberal Democrat He can't fool everyone, most of the people see through him.
well, if you check on youtube you can find videos that show the region before the war and the standards of living looked quite amazing. That is, until they decided to go to war. See how this works?
@@tonybanks1035 To be fair, the standard of living was not that amazing, it was decent at best, but it was still miles better than what it turned out to be thanks to Hamas's misguided actions.
S1NW0R was Living in Luxury h0me in Gazzza. But he K0mplained he was living in an 0pen-Air Prizz0n bec0z he could n0t Imp0rt "Weap0ns" frm I-ran. Then he planned for 0kto7 to live a better than 0pen-Air Prizzz0n. After 0kto7, he live in hiz 0wn-Made Tunnel-Prizz0n for more than a year. Strange Ch0ice in Life if yu think abt that.
they glad that israel did not take revenge on gazan civilians indifferently. they are glad that israel take over the role of gazan gov who fail to vaccinate its population over 16 yrs. They will amazed that israel willing to stop fighting, give in security concession for vaccinating 25% gazans
at about the 40 minute mark her body language tells me she knows she has not only lost the argument, but has begun to reanalyze her intellectual positions and employment options... im glad she is coming around. i hope enough do so as to end this genocide.
หลายเดือนก่อน
The problem is that there are too many blind supporters of Palestine that make it seem like it's true even though it is not.
@@eveblot4195 which line which law which claim you said it is false? what is your proof to prove her claim is false? can you defy her claim with solid proof?
ICC prosecutor is trying to deflect attention of his sexual harassment allegations by a staff member. He's been accused in the past by both men and women. His brother is serving time in prison for sexual assault. Makes me think they were subject to sexual abuse as children.
@LukeMcGuireoides well that's interesting because the exact same argument could be used for the other side. Maybe their agenda is veiled in the call towards emotional thinking, rhetorical acrobatics and the Clarion call of I don't support X but Y is worse, yet pretty clear to anyone who has been a victim and then been vilified for their response to the initial crime that this is all about an unearned redemption of the antagonist based on false moral equivalency. Their is nothing at stake for those who attack Israel's position except virtue signalling points and the salient thrill of denigrating Jews, but for us this is existential. No matter how many Muslims die, they're always going to be more to replace them, but if Israel gets wiped off the map then that's all she wrote. So if you've got no skin in the game except your perceived moral superiority, then maybe you'll never understand, especially if you have no capacity for compassion towards anyone who doesn't agree with you.
@@TheSunshineRunaway52 there are more jews abroad than in Israel, so that claim is total bunk. And the idea that the other side is ideologically or strategically aligned in its opposition to Israel is clearly and abundantly false. That cannot be overstated.
56:25 That line, that he thought was genius, fell so flat it was a thing of beauty to see his face when he realised everyone thought it was cringe af!!! 😂
Natasha refers to laws, give verified figures and facts from the ground while Cenk condescendingly spit out some cynical statements and half ass some quotes and shout. I guess it is true what they say: "Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon just knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around like it won"
Was this done at the local Elementary School? Worst sound I've heard since 1983 on a worn out VHS tape.
Better sound starting at 9:27
Scroll down for transcript
@rosshole except the audio is only coming out of one side lol this must've been elementary school
@@asadchoudhry1927
First the overall audio was bad. Then the quality improved but only coming from the left side. Then that was fixed, also. What counts is the total content we got from this, and that was a lot.
@@henryhenry978 porn one
@rosshole if no audio then there is no transcript
its hard to believe how negatively cenk gets portrayed in the comment. i have never once heard cenk take a pro hamas stance, all he ever does is try to speak out against killing palestinian and israeli citizens. i dont think he needs me to say it, but please keep fighting for the lives of civilians cenk. your words will always fall on def ears, and yet, they need to be said.
Calling for no more killings on both sides is these days referred to as antisemitism. The media and most governments have been made to bend to these demands and they have obliged. + The world is full of easily manipulatable idiots.
Cenk logic; US killed more than ISIS, therfore we are worse than ISIS.
he is at best a clown.
56:47 Turn on CC. That’s Luis Moreno Ocampo, the first Prosecutor at the International Criminal Court (ICC). He served from 2003 to 2012. Ocampo led the investigation into the Darfur conflict, which resulted in arrest warrants for Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir. He also prosecuted crimes in Uganda and the Democratic Republic of Congo. Ocampo's legal approach focused on gathering evidence and building cases for trials against individuals, not states. Here, he’s directly countering Natasha Hausdorff’s point on state sovereignty, pointing out that international law overrides sovereignty when it comes to mass atrocities. He’s applying the legal principle that the ICC has jurisdiction even if a nation doesn't agree to cooperate, as seen in his handling of Sudan’s refusal to cooperate.
THANKYOU for caring and providing CONTEXT. You are a warrior for all humanity. I applaud you for speaking up in the face of this atrocity. If 85% of people in the USA and other first world countries would get their news online bs watching NBC NIGHTLY 15 minutes then all commercials….and nothing on this genocide…..yet Russia steals kids to Russify them (still abhorrent) the entire first world outraged!!! With this genocide that is 1000 times worse it uh, we don’t know, uh yeah but October whatever the fuck date was our 911--abhorrent. I’m physically ill and posting everywhere to wake people up!
Cenk gets destroyed every time, it is like Sideshow Bob stepping on rakes.
Israel will not allow Free journalism in Gazza ..
They won't even allow people to eat sleep and live there.
?? there is but because the narrative is not what you like, you used your emotions to crtiticise it to be "not free" funny
Wow. If anyone wonders if anti-semitism is real and if so, how rampant it is, just read some of these comments and you’ll know.
It’s so awful. Meanwhile every Jewish person I know is a wonderful person. This is SICK!
Never deny your God given Common Sense on what is just or unjust. It is simply sad to “intellectually” justify one’s heartlessness by standing behind manmade legal technicalities and the self-exaltation of supposed good deeds all while killing the very innocent people which you provide aid. It is not a good example.
Exactly- if what this lady is saying is true, why doesn’t Israel present this evidence to the ICC for the world to see? Instead Israel opts for a technicality defence using jurisdiction- lol
@@raywolff9886 It's funny, bc when Israel points out that Gaza has not been occupied since 2005, pro-palestinians resort to saying that Gaza was still 'technically' occupied since Israel controlled their air-space and borders (the Egyptian border aparently not-withstanding).
Such children. You chose the path of lawfare, then complain when the laws don't go your way. Much like the Arabs always choosing war, then complaining when it doesnt go their way...
@@andrewm4767 More importantly, why did Israel BAN ALL FOREIGN MEDIA right at the beginning of their ground.offensive. If they had nothing to hide, why ban International media?
Does anyone believe anything coming out of her mouth? So shameful.
hundreds of years, nothing will change.
I get it. She says things based on her expertise and understanding of the facts that run counter to the BS you decided to believe without any real inquiry and SHE is the one who is not to be believed.
@@gheller2261 she's completely full of shit. Like all Zionazi bots.
She is too beautiful to tell lies 😂
@@frankw6539 She's a bold faced liar and a soulless, depraved witch.. You have to be if you want to justify ethnic cleansing and genocide.
It's admirable that TYT would put up such a video where Cenk is absolutely crushed by this lady... While she's referring to law and facts he acts like an offended 5 year old and just cries out "Mommy, she called me a parasite againnnn..." (which btw - she didn't...)
What does the bot say?
@@way2jaded1 LOL! says a bot with 2 subs...
@@Arielaverbuch OOff my bad I just didn't think a human would type such dumb shit.
She's basically admitting that Israel is immune to accountability, i.e., a paraiah
She didn’t even crush anything except her pathetic voice
Anyone else's video stop working near the end?
Rest of the world is not buying it. They’re sick of it.
who are you to represent the rest of the world? are you Allah?
@genel6830 The world always hated Israel and for the 2 billion Muslims around the world Israel is guilty until proven guilty
@genel6830 The rest of the world has always hated the jews and scapegoat the jews but we in America will support Israel
Do you want a list of Islamic terrorist attack for the past 20 years?
Quran98/6 is what everyone should be sick of, after the footage from oct7. SahihBukhari2926, core islamic scriptures, commands to fight jews until the end of time when trees and rocks call out where they hide.
Cenk vs Natasha Hausdorff is bringing a knife (Cenk) to a gun (Natasha) fight. He doesn't stand a chance.
a knife? a blob of lard is more like it🤣
@@strictlyroots7343 Natasha is a unfeeling robot. An NPC. Her talking points were route and because Cenk was honest and spoke clearly when she tried to say things that work against a human spokesman they fell flat. Made her look stupid and non humans. She was pathetic.
Whenever you criticize or disagree with Israel it's considered "antisemitism"
How did we get here?
Yeah even the word 'Semite' is being hijacked and misused. The Palestinians natives are the true descendants of Semite..not those bogus European 'jews'. DNA cannot lie...
@@Eskeeter03 when people apply double standards, what is the reason behind that? Just for funsies?
I don't think that's true at all. Israel has been criticized practically all time for decades
There are plenty of Jews and plenty of Israeli Jews who criticise Israel, bud. Are we all antisemites, too.
All people have sometimes criticised their own government's actions or cultural inconsistencies. Jews are no different, brother.
What is your particular gripe with the Israelis, anyway.
Shalom.
Awesome Cenk...Thank you. Occupation needs to stop!
Awesome cenk... cenk for standing with the oppressors of gazans, standing with aid thieves and brutal rap1$+ regime. Make the gazans poor for their mega tunnels projects. misuse the money for the comfort of the regimes (look at sinwar's wife and her 32k birkin bag) while not giving free poilio vaccines just like the israel gave to 25% of gazans population
The occupation of Judea by jews?! So you're on the side of the colonizers instead of the native population?🤔
@the.falcon Conference of Zionists in 1899 Baltimore, MD: "We Will COLONIZE Palestine". Their words. THEIR WORDS.
Stop trying to rewrite history. The founding fathers of Zionism were OPEN about their colonial intent. Also read Theodore Herzl's Zionist writings from 1897. He clearly states his intentions and plans to colonize Palestine.
Your propaganda won't work in the age of the Internet like it did in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s when you had all our parents brainwashed.
This was disappointing. They weren't arguing about the same things. The lawyer was referring to international law and the ICC (which was supposed to be the topic). Cenk was arguing why Israel is bad and genocidal, but not from a perspective of law, other than a flimsy understanding of the word "genocide". He uses a lot of narrative and story telling to paint a blood libel against Israel. I didn't learn much from this, other than that international law is complicated, and it requires more than just rhetoric to understand it.
Also, Cenk clearly doesn't understand the difference in culture and ideology that is involved here. He thinks that every conflict around the world is the same and involves morally equivalent sides in opposition. He thinks Israel is to Gazans as the Ottoman Empire is to Armenians. Not even close. He tries to chisel away at the definition of "genocide" until it's almost the same as "hate crime", but he doesn't give the numbers for the Armenian Genocide, to which he compares Israel's war. The Turks killed about a million Armenians.
And this is quite the same but on a small scale. Also, Israel has to keep the pretense of ausible deniability when it comes to genocide, or else they would be the ultimate rogue and pariah nation. All your false claims of antisemitism only serve to denigrate the identities of every Jew who has been targeted by antisemites. Criticizing the state of Israel isn't blood libel. Antisemitism is losing credibility as a concept due the behavior of those supporting Israel's war crimes. No matter what anyone says, this isn't a complicated issue. It's a subjugated population being systematically murder on mass scale.
Natasha is very well versed in this subject, and everyone should listen to her.
I every time mute when Zionists are speaking until someone normal starts speaking
@@jamesmarcus2043 lawyers that defend criminals in court also tend to sound well-versed in the legal aspects of the case before the court. Bias confirmation will be distorting one's interpretation of her points to argument.
What does the bot say?
Netanyahu has now been served. He must go defend himself. What she says doesn't really matter now.
@@dudzaisaburi6031 unfortunately he will have to travel to a country willing to arrest him first but it's something.
Natasha is brilliant and her argument is devastating, and this is not her best performance. Cenk is making child like arguments and she is treating him seriously. She should be kinder and say "no sweetie, that's not how anything works in the grown up world." She can and should be condescending because he is so far below her. He doesn't really understand anything about international law and she is an expert.
@@ohiomom100 she was like an NPC route statements "you can't believe the figures cenk gives because they come from humans". No Cenk specifically used IDF figures. Blood liable, but children are dead. No she failed utterly because she was a robot
I REALLY would not want Cenk to be my lawyer. He literally has no idea what the law here even is.
@@evanb4189 but get him on the topic of lawfare and he's like a boy with a magnifying glass immolating butterflies...
You don’t need law to know killing is wrong if you don’t agree then what did Hamas do that was wrong?
It's been proven by multiple sources that most of Cenks arguments are infact true.
write it on TH-cam: FULL REPORT - 'Hamas Hurt Us, Killed us' : Unfiltered Gazans Speak Out
Nope. Cenk arguments are debunked by Natasha as below: do your own research
- ICJ protocol, and Chief Judge ICJ misused power being exposed why ICJ Vice President from Uganda
- ICJ did not abide by its own law, Uti Possidetis Juri general international law for israel borders (inherited from Bristish Mandate) and official territory (include Gaza Judea Sumeria Jerusalem)
- Palestine is not a country because failed to fulfill international law as a country. but is a political product by getting UN members' vote politically.
- COGAT for 50% more than required calorie by humanitarian law, food truck, at least 3 crossing
- Egypt's responsibility African Union Convention on Refugees to open RAfah borders, provide safe space to gazans preventing humanitarian aid falls into hands of hamas
- FRC for debunking IPC report
- Oslo Accord details that show Palestine Authority dont have legal jusdification in ICJ
- Proportionality concept in international military law, proofs: Military assessment by UK US NATO
- Law of proportional, Law of precaution, Law of neccessity
@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla Haha Big yawn again. The world is awake. Try again with your misleading half truths. You people think the world us full of fools. Israel will fall. If not today, tomorrow. Cope with it.
@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla Cogat ? Yeah , really an independent source. We are impressed. Israels useful idiots are working overtime it seems. Nothing of what you did mention is true. Nothing. Zero. Your long and boring comments show us you are clearly not an expert on the matter. Copy and paste. Impressive work. What a joke 😅
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxlaAh, and while we’re talking about ‘tolerant’ interpretations and ‘religious freedom,’ let’s refresh some memories with real facts. Take a close look:
👉 Algeria 🇩🇿: Jewish population before 1950? 140,000. Today? 100. Ethnic cleansing at 99.93%… not bad for pacifists, right?
👉 Lebanon 🇱🇧: Before 1950? 22,000. Today? 30. 99.86% less ‘tolerance,’ impressive.
👉 Egypt 🇪🇬: 80,000 in 1948. Today? 100. A 'coincidence' at 99.88%, apparently.
👉 Morocco 🇲🇦: 250,000 in 1940. Currently? 2,500. So, 99% 'spontaneous departures,' we suppose.
👉 Iraq 🇮🇶: 150,000 in 1947. Now? 10. Ethnic cleansing, 'subtle' edition.
🇮🇱 Creation of Israel - 1948
Even before its declaration of independence, Israel was attacked by several Arab countries, including Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon, which rejected the 1947 partition plan. This war allowed Israel to defend itself and establish itself as a sovereign state while also leading to the mass exodus of Palestinians.
So, what’s your excuse? ‘Tolerance’ and ‘coexistence’ with double standards? And here, comparisons with Zionism are carefully avoided, because the facts speak for themselves: on one side, a democracy; on the other, regimes enforcing Sharia, oppressing LGBTQ+ communities, and turning a blind eye to slavery. So no, Islamism and Zionism are not the same.
---
💫 Understand Better
💫 Sura 5:51
“O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.”
💫 Sura 9:29
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”
⚖ Additional Facts on Gaza and Sharia
🇵🇸 Gaza (Apostasy, Homosexuality, and Hijab)
Under Hamas, Sharia law imposes strict moral surveillance:
💫 Apostasy: Multiple reports show apostates are persecuted. For example, in 2018, Ashraf Abou Leila, suspected of abandoning Islam, was executed on vague charges of ‘espionage.’
Hadith: Sahih Bukhari 9:57 - "Whoever changes his religion, kill him."
Quran: Sura 4:89 - "Kill them wherever you find them."
💫 Homosexuality: Homosexuality is illegal, punishable by imprisonment. Testimonies reveal that homosexuals from Gaza flee to Israel to escape persecution. In 2016, Ali, a young gay Gazan, testified about risking his life to exile himself.
Quran: Sura 7:80-81 - "And Lot, when he said to his people, ‘Do you commit indecency while you see it?’” (a reference to the prohibition of homosexual acts).
💫 Hijab: Women are strongly encouraged or even forced to wear the hijab under threat of social or familial disapproval. In 2009, Hamas imposed the hijab on schoolgirls in public institutions, a decision criticized by human rights groups.
Hadith: Sahih Muslim 24:5300 - "A woman who goes out without the hijab has incited perversion and exposed her private parts."
---
🌍 Other Regional Examples
🇸🇾 Syria (Massacres and Civil War)
500,000 deaths since the beginning of the conflict.
Comparison: Gaza with 2% (40K out of 2 million) losses is called a genocide, but massacres in Syria are ignored.
Algeria: Over 200,000 dead!
Nigeria: 82% of Christians killed worldwide are in Nigeria.
.
🇦🇫 Afghanistan (Veil and Apostasy)
Women are banned from education and forced to wear the burqa.
Law: Apostasy is punishable by death under Article 130 of the Constitution.
Hadith: Sahih Bukhari 83:37 - "Whoever abandons Islam, kill him."
.
🇮🇷 Iran (Blasphemy and Women’s Rights)
Women in Iran face imprisonment or death for 'crimes' like blasphemy or refusing the veil. In 2022, Mahsa Amini died in detention after being arrested by the morality police. This theology does not protect; it kills.
Quran: Sura 33:59 - "O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves part of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused."
🇲🇾 Malaysia (Homosexuality)
Homosexuality is punishable by 20 years in prison and lashes.
Law: Syariah Act of 1997, Section 28.
Quran: Sura 4:16 - "And the two among you who commit homosexuality, punish them if you can."
🇮🇩 Indonesia
Homosexuality and extramarital relations are punishable under Islamic law applied in certain provinces, such as Aceh.
Hadith: Sahih Muslim 17:4192 - "100 lashes for adultery."
---
🗽💫 Cases of Christian Conversions and Death Sentences
🇮🇷 Iran - **Youcef Nadarkhani**
Christian pastor Youcef Nadarkhani was arrested for apostasy in Iran. According to Article 513 of the Iranian Penal Code, apostasy is punishable by death. Nadarkhani was imprisoned in 2009 for refusing to renounce his Christian faith.
🇮🇶 Iraq - **Meriam Ibrahim**
A Sudanese Christian woman, Meriam Ibrahim, was sentenced to death for apostasy in 2014 after marrying a Christian. Under Article 126 of the Sudanese Penal Code, apostasy is a crime punishable by death. Meriam was imprisoned and mistreated for her conversion before being released following international pressure.
🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia - **Raif Badawi**
Saudi blogger Raif Badawi was sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes for insulting Islam and creating an online discussion forum. Article 6 of Saudi Arabia’s cybercrime law prescribes severe penalties, including the death penalty, for content deemed blasphemous.
---
💫 Conclusion
The Nazis lost children. Should we give them a lollipop 🍬 for every child lost?
Under Sharia, children are forced into marriage and sometimes die as a result. A lollipop 🍬 for every child who dies?
---
🎯 HYPOCRITE
Your "genocide" in Gaza? 2% losses, a growing population. Israel left Gaza in 2006, yet it's still labeled an "invasion," while silence reigns over the 500,000 deaths in Syria. This Israeli "racism"? Voting rights, businesses, specific aid for Israeli Arabs.
If suffering truly mattered to you, if human rights were at the core of your values, why this selective silence? Why not denounce modern slavery in Iraq, women confined in Afghanistan, those barred from work or speech in Iran, or homosexuals publicly flogged in Malaysia? No, you chose Israel. 𝐁𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐮𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐢𝐭 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐚.
You speak of protecting children, of humanity, but you're willing to sacrifice everything to fuel an ideology that leaves only ruin and death. If you truly loved your children, you wouldn't expose them to this hatred. You wouldn't weaponize every tear, every death, to justify your lies. The real tragedy is seeing a people manipulated for a cause that offers them nothing but destruction. Stop lying, stop exploiting suffering. The truth is simple: your fight is not for life, but for darkness.
𝐅𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐢𝐜, 𝐚 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐮𝐧𝐟𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐮𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐢𝐭𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟. Those hypocrites who pose as anti-totalitarian knights? They are the greatest defenders of totalitarianism. The more they talk about it, the more they feed it. 𝑻𝒉𝒐𝒔𝒆 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒄𝒍𝒂𝒊𝒎 𝒕𝒐 𝒇𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕 𝒐𝒑𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒐𝒇𝒕𝒆𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒇𝒊𝒓𝒔𝒕 𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒑𝒍𝒊𝒄𝒆𝒔 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚 𝒐𝒑𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏.
They can answer in the negative because denying, diverting the facts, laughing... AD hominem This is the methodology of the fascists.
Natasha Hausdorff's perspective is disconnected from the reality of the situation. When someone refuses to acknowledge the genuine grievances and suffering of people in Gaza, especially when it’s about issues like human rights and the quest for peace, it’s clear they’re missing the larger context. Instead of understanding the complexities and the legitimate frustrations, she seems to reduce it all to a simplistic and dangerous narrative, framing everything as part of a global anti-Jewish conspiracy. This kind of thinking ignores the calls for justice, peace, and an end to violence, which are shared by many who aren’t seeking bloodshed but a real solution to the conflict.
There is a fixation on the conflict that is obsessive. It receives a lot of media attention, the same situation with the partition of India. The Muslim minorities wish to rule themselves resulted in the creation of Pakistan. Of course the injustice that hindus feel after being ethnically cleansed from Pakistan is not as important as the Palestinians. That's unfair and it's a form of antisemitism. Palestinians can inherit their refugee status, most of the real refugees are already dead, that's crazy, why are Palestinians more important than other refugees? You guessed it, to prolong the conflict and punish the Jews.
@@IvorNovello112 A fixation on the conflict isn't necessarily obsessive; it reflects people coming together to solve a problem, which is a core part of human nature. When a conflict persists, it draws attention because it involves real lives, real struggles, and the need for resolution. When you think about it, conflict resolution isn't just about finding peace; it's about addressing the underlying issues that people can't move past. In this case, it’s not just about land or territory-it’s about identity, historical narratives, and deep-rooted emotions on all sides. The fixation exists because both Palestinians and Israelis see themselves as the rightful owners of the same land, and those feelings have been passed down through generations.
Now, the comparison to the partition of India adds another layer to this. The creation of Pakistan was meant to establish a homeland for Muslims who felt they couldn’t live in a Hindu-majority India, just like the creation of Israel was for Jews who wanted a homeland after centuries of persecution. But in both cases, the establishment of new borders came with violence, displacement, and a legacy of unresolved grievances. It's a painful truth that both Hindus in Pakistan and Palestinians in Israel (and their descendants) continue to live with the scars of displacement.
As for why the Palestinian situation seems to receive more attention, it’s complex. Some argue that the media and international organizations focus more on Palestine because of the power dynamics involved. Israel is often seen as the more powerful, Western-backed nation, while Palestinians are viewed as the underdog. This dynamic can create a narrative that attracts more sympathy for one side, especially when it’s framed as a David versus Goliath situation.
However, the notion that the Palestinian cause is being used to “punish the Jews” is a point that requires careful unpacking. The tragic history of Jewish persecution and the establishment of Israel cannot be ignored, but it’s also crucial to recognize that the Palestinian people have endured hardship and displacement for decades, often through no fault of their own. The reality is that the conflict isn’t as simple as one side being "punished"; it’s a tangled web of historical grievances, territorial disputes, and competing national identities that have been manipulated by both internal and external forces.
And regarding refugee status, yes, the fact that Palestinian refugees' descendants can inherit their status, unlike most refugees, is unique. But this isn’t about prioritizing Palestinians over others-it's a consequence of the unresolved nature of the conflict. Refugee status becomes a tool for perpetuating the narrative of displacement, rather than a clear path to integration or resolution. Meanwhile, other refugees around the world don’t have the same inherited status because their situations, while tragic, are often part of broader international refugee solutions, which do not focus on returning to the homeland as a primary goal.
In the end, the focus on this conflict often feels disproportionate because it embodies so many global issues-colonialism, religion, nationalism, human rights-issues that continue to be relevant today. But that doesn’t mean the suffering of others should be overlooked. All refugees, whether Palestinian or otherwise, deserve the right to a future free from fear and uncertainty.
@@thesensiblestreamer2958 what do you think about the fact that Israel gets condemned 15-20 times a year? Russia and Iran who are serial human rights abusers receives criticism maybe 0-1 time a year. Is that a reflection of reality? You think the UN is biased and against the Jewish state or does that indicate something else? Israel is a democratic state and those countries are the opposite. If a Jew sets his fot in the Palestinian areas he will have his head chopped of becuase antisemitism is rampant in the Middle East. If a Palestinian need to go through a security check it’s apartheid
@@thesensiblestreamer2958 Natasha was limited to talking only about the legal framework in this debate. She answered the human rights aspect of the conflict, there is no other Army in the world that is so dedicated to human rights as the IDF and that is a fact. The US army killed many more civilians in Irak and Afghanistan. Israel is a democracy that is operating in one the least democratic part of the world. To dominate others in the most brutal way is the norm in the Middle East and how you deter others, it’s in the mentality of the people and not only it’s leadership. If you think that the Other side have any respect for human rights or lives you are mistaken. To not set the same moral standards for the Arab population is a sort of racism, that means that you think the Arabs population is morally inferior, is that what you are suggesting? Because that should be considered racism from the political left.
Furthermore, as I have mentioned before, Israel gets condemned by the UN 15-20 times per year. Serial human rights abusers like China, Russia and Iran may get condemned by the international community 0-1 times per year. Does that seem like a reflection of the human rights situation in the world? This is antisemitism, treatment of the Jewish state and Jews differently. Single out the Jewish state. This is what Natasha is referring to.
The Palestinians are feeling frustration because they live like refugees in the neighbouring countries. It’s a status they inherit, no other refugees inherit that status, it’s a part of the continuing information war against Israel. They are being treated like second class citizens because they are being used as tools in a cynical way by the neighbouring countries. They are being fed with propaganda and told that they have a right of return. It’s a right that they don’t have since they have lost an offensive war that their leader started. That’s the real tragedy, that their own Arab brothers won’t give them equal rights in the counties they are meant to be resettled in. The Jewish refugees from the Arab world have been taken care of by Israel, the Palestinians are being fed with lies that they can return. Thats evil to the core and the root cause of their frustration.
@@IvorNovello112 why I love the reference to India, Hindus, Kashmir, and Pakistan. Kashmiri pandits have endured TONS of cruelty in Kashmir but the issue is they are "safe" in India whereas Palestinian muslims don't really have Arab countries eager to grant them full equal legal status. Kashmiri Pandits are 100% indian citizens despite being Pandits and Kashmiri which means they are "allegedly " Pakistani in POK and Indian in Indian Kashmir/Ladakh/Jammu but in Pakistan's eyes Kashmiri pandits don't really matter either way they are more just a nuisance and a symbol of Hindu/Indian oppression all over Islamic Kashmir so Kashmiri pandits are pretty much played by both sides.
She's clearly a great lawyer, I'd have her represent me! I've no idea what her personal views are, but anyone who has access to any kind of non-Israeli media knows what's going on in Gaza and beyond.
She literally did an hour plus debate explaining her views. What did you think you’re commenting on?
@RefactoringRyan lawyers represent clients and the wishes of their clients whose ideas or agendas may not necessarily be in line with their own.
lol she's a terrible lawyer, all she was doing was reciting the same Israeli talking points we see regurgitated again and again, how is that being a good lawyer?
If you can't work out what her personal views are, after an hour in which she basically laid out her personal views, then that does not make her a good lawyer
You know you’re cooked when your only defence is to say “you’re lying”, knowing full well that you’re the one lying.
Cenk just mumbles Saying nothing
why are they broadcasting this without microphones?
She’s so impressive.
@@chazmoo1801 lawyers can be quite impressive at lying.
Much respect for Cenk.
Yes respect… even tho he lied and was dismantled by Natasha… he still uploaded it … for you fanatics and terrorists!!
Muslims respect lying that's why they follow Mohammed because he was a lying rapists
I would ask how does she even sleep at night.....but its probably on a pile of money.
She sleeps fine because there is no genocide going on. Cenk is a clown who doesn't know what he's talking about.
@@SnoopyDanielsNo good explaining to him or her looks like a bloke but I had a peep at their page and he is so far left he is walking in circles, yup, too far unable to retrieve any sense
This woman, maked me sleepy 🥴😵
Yes, So Boring.
@heidi9547 traying to convince with articles that only she knows 🥴
because you dont understand legal terms. that's why. i feel refreshing when i hear she explain the misrepresentation of legal terms and the fundamental law that determines the borders of israel "uti possidetis juri" general law. She have detailed explanation about the current situation and the falsehood of media presenting facts, also when icj misuse its power throwing its principles into garbage bins. She also called out that ICJ and ICC make judgement based on false claims presented and not verify the misleading "evidence" before making official statements. She pointed out that UN is just a hall of politics where you can form a state as long as you give enough political benefits to enough members of UN. while Cenk just gave emotional empty statements that is not helpful.
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxlaThe only reason Israel exists is because they bribed the UN.
I am not sure if this debate was effective since one representative, Natasha, followed the guidelines and focused on the legality and International Court decisions while the other Czenk, who has no legal background, only spewled lies and misinformation driven by feelings.
@@jamesmarcus2043 how did he "spew lies and misinformation"? You sound like anti-vaxxers who routinely called evidence-based facts "misinformation" throughout the pandemic. Holding an opinion doesn't count as a rebuttal. Argue the merits of the facts he presented about war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Ah, and while we’re talking about ‘tolerant’ interpretations and ‘religious freedom,’ let’s refresh some memories with real facts. Take a close look:
👉 Algeria 🇩🇿: Jewish population before 1950? 140,000. Today? 100. Ethnic cleansing at 99.93%… not bad for pacifists, right?
👉 Lebanon 🇱🇧: Before 1950? 22,000. Today? 30. 99.86% less ‘tolerance,’ impressive.
👉 Egypt 🇪🇬: 80,000 in 1948. Today? 100. A 'coincidence' at 99.88%, apparently.
👉 Morocco 🇲🇦: 250,000 in 1940. Currently? 2,500. So, 99% 'spontaneous departures,' we suppose.
👉 Iraq 🇮🇶: 150,000 in 1947. Now? 10. Ethnic cleansing, 'subtle' edition.
🇮🇱 Creation of Israel - 1948
Even before its declaration of independence, Israel was attacked by several Arab countries, including Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon, which rejected the 1947 partition plan. This war allowed Israel to defend itself and establish itself as a sovereign state while also leading to the mass exodus of Palestinians.
So, what’s your excuse? ‘Tolerance’ and ‘coexistence’ with double standards? And here, comparisons with Zionism are carefully avoided, because the facts speak for themselves: on one side, a democracy; on the other, regimes enforcing Sharia, oppressing LGBTQ+ communities, and turning a blind eye to slavery. So no, Islamism and Zionism are not the same.
---
💫 Understand Better
💫 Sura 5:51
“O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.”
💫 Sura 9:29
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”
⚖ Additional Facts on Gaza and Sharia
🇵🇸 Gaza (Apostasy, Homosexuality, and Hijab)
Under Hamas, Sharia law imposes strict moral surveillance:
💫 Apostasy: Multiple reports show apostates are persecuted. For example, in 2018, Ashraf Abou Leila, suspected of abandoning Islam, was executed on vague charges of ‘espionage.’
Hadith: Sahih Bukhari 9:57 - "Whoever changes his religion, kill him."
Quran: Sura 4:89 - "Kill them wherever you find them."
💫 Homosexuality: Homosexuality is illegal, punishable by imprisonment. Testimonies reveal that homosexuals from Gaza flee to Israel to escape persecution. In 2016, Ali, a young gay Gazan, testified about risking his life to exile himself.
Quran: Sura 7:80-81 - "And Lot, when he said to his people, ‘Do you commit indecency while you see it?’” (a reference to the prohibition of homosexual acts).
💫 Hijab: Women are strongly encouraged or even forced to wear the hijab under threat of social or familial disapproval. In 2009, Hamas imposed the hijab on schoolgirls in public institutions, a decision criticized by human rights groups.
Hadith: Sahih Muslim 24:5300 - "A woman who goes out without the hijab has incited perversion and exposed her private parts."
---
🌍 Other Regional Examples
🇸🇾 Syria (Massacres and Civil War)
500,000 deaths since the beginning of the conflict.
Comparison: Gaza with 2% (40K out of 2 million) losses is called a genocide, but massacres in Syria are ignored.
Algeria: Over 200,000 dead!
Nigeria: 82% of Christians killed worldwide are in Nigeria.
.
🇦🇫 Afghanistan (Veil and Apostasy)
Women are banned from education and forced to wear the burqa.
Law: Apostasy is punishable by death under Article 130 of the Constitution.
Hadith: Sahih Bukhari 83:37 - "Whoever abandons Islam, kill him."
.
🇮🇷 Iran (Blasphemy and Women’s Rights)
Women in Iran face imprisonment or death for 'crimes' like blasphemy or refusing the veil. In 2022, Mahsa Amini died in detention after being arrested by the morality police. This theology does not protect; it kills.
Quran: Sura 33:59 - "O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves part of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused."
🇲🇾 Malaysia (Homosexuality)
Homosexuality is punishable by 20 years in prison and lashes.
Law: Syariah Act of 1997, Section 28.
Quran: Sura 4:16 - "And the two among you who commit homosexuality, punish them if you can."
🇮🇩 Indonesia
Homosexuality and extramarital relations are punishable under Islamic law applied in certain provinces, such as Aceh.
Hadith: Sahih Muslim 17:4192 - "100 lashes for adultery."
---
🗽💫 Cases of Christian Conversions and Death Sentences
🇮🇷 Iran - **Youcef Nadarkhani**
Christian pastor Youcef Nadarkhani was arrested for apostasy in Iran. According to Article 513 of the Iranian Penal Code, apostasy is punishable by death. Nadarkhani was imprisoned in 2009 for refusing to renounce his Christian faith.
🇮🇶 Iraq - **Meriam Ibrahim**
A Sudanese Christian woman, Meriam Ibrahim, was sentenced to death for apostasy in 2014 after marrying a Christian. Under Article 126 of the Sudanese Penal Code, apostasy is a crime punishable by death. Meriam was imprisoned and mistreated for her conversion before being released following international pressure.
🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia - **Raif Badawi**
Saudi blogger Raif Badawi was sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes for insulting Islam and creating an online discussion forum. Article 6 of Saudi Arabia’s cybercrime law prescribes severe penalties, including the death penalty, for content deemed blasphemous.
---
💫 Conclusion
The Nazis lost children. Should we give them a lollipop 🍬 for every child lost?
Under Sharia, children are forced into marriage and sometimes die as a result. A lollipop 🍬 for every child who dies?
---
🎯 HYPOCRITE
Your "genocide" in Gaza? 2% losses, a growing population. Israel left Gaza in 2006, yet it's still labeled an "invasion," while silence reigns over the 500,000 deaths in Syria. This Israeli "racism"? Voting rights, businesses, specific aid for Israeli Arabs.
If suffering truly mattered to you, if human rights were at the core of your values, why this selective silence? Why not denounce modern slavery in Iraq, women confined in Afghanistan, those barred from work or speech in Iran, or homosexuals publicly flogged in Malaysia? No, you chose Israel. 𝐁𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐮𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐢𝐭 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐚.
You speak of protecting children, of humanity, but you're willing to sacrifice everything to fuel an ideology that leaves only ruin and death. If you truly loved your children, you wouldn't expose them to this hatred. You wouldn't weaponize every tear, every death, to justify your lies. The real tragedy is seeing a people manipulated for a cause that offers them nothing but destruction. Stop lying, stop exploiting suffering. The truth is simple: your fight is not for life, but for darkness.
𝐅𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐢𝐜, 𝐚 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐮𝐧𝐟𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐮𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐢𝐭𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟. Those hypocrites who pose as anti-totalitarian knights? They are the greatest defenders of totalitarianism. The more they talk about it, the more they feed it. 𝑻𝒉𝒐𝒔𝒆 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒄𝒍𝒂𝒊𝒎 𝒕𝒐 𝒇𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕 𝒐𝒑𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒐𝒇𝒕𝒆𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒇𝒊𝒓𝒔𝒕 𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒑𝒍𝒊𝒄𝒆𝒔 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚 𝒐𝒑𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏.
____
What understand is that they use the masses like the fascists. Attack the person, not the arguments, divert the subject, laugh, cry, scream in short, deny .Any movement created on the negation of principle is doomed to create its opposite.
In the end, the Sunnis become Koranists... they have no refuge to lie and the left puts itself in a corner and shuts up. It's a basic and simple logic except that this time no. The truth has been manipulated too much.
What does the bot say?
@@way2jaded1 Lol this looks exactly like a leak, AD hominem attacking the person never the argument . A confession of cowards to divert attention because they are ashamed But above all a very small brain and nothing to say 💯
@ sure, copy-paste bot
No matter which side you fall on this issue. It is clear who the real human is in this debate vs someone just representing an organization that pays well.
@@yellingatcloud I think he meant that the human was Cenk.
@@Bervick That's what I thought too.
They both looked human to me though.
Why did the video cut out just when Cenk was speaking about Hamas crimes? Hmm.. Curious
i think there is stil more to the debate, do you know where to watch the full debate?
Didn't anyone tell Natasha how debates work? She is supposed to be laying out her counter-argument not just saying over and over again that her opponent is wrong and telling lies. I mean if she wants to waste her time fine maybe she will make a point later.
That is how Israelis like to do their propaganda. If you tell the lie enough times people are going to believe them.
They learnt by the best….Their courageous Big Brother.
She thinks approaching this debate as a lawyer will appeal to her audience... ah no. Children were killed but because some legal document justifies the genocide it is okay? In addition she actually talked down to her audience instead of addressing them as human beings capable of thought. Her condescending tone is so annoying. Israel is investigating itself (IDF) so that is the information we should refer to... ah no. Who gives a da*n what the IDF says, we want to hear from an unbiased third party. Also UK lawyers for Israel is not an unbiased third party and telling us the information is on YOUR website is not an unbiased source of information. Ludicrous.
I'm 99.99% sure this debate was setup for a law school
unbiased party like Hamas? you're only supposed to take a sip of kool-aid, not dunk your entire head in the pitcher.
@@BaphometicDescentNo Simpleton not Hamas. You people hide behind Hamas and the victimhood status. Pathetic. We have plenty of international media that want ro enter Gaza. Hamas gave their ok. Guess who didn't you dumb sh*thead
@@BaphometicDescent Who is speaking on behalf of Hamas? Are you that small minded and have such a lack of comprehension that you can't understand that the average Palestinian has nothing to do with Hamas.
If you want to talk about people sipping the kool-aid you don't have to look any further than the extremist nut case leaders in Israel. When an Israeli person talks out against the actions and policies of their own gov't and that gov't actually labels them self-hating Jews it speaks volumes about that gov't.
She knows is Genocide, but wants to get Israel off that charge based on a technicality
She is makes Cenk look like a moron. Mind you that’s not very difficult to do.
Cenk did a good job, but why didn't they get a fellow lawyer to debate Natasha, given how important legal issues were in the debate?
cenk did go to law school
Because no real lawyer can put his name on such lies. Cenk is presented as a 'political comentator' and that is all the level he brought to the debate - propaganda.
Cenk passed the Bar.
Cenk is a lawyer.. from an Ivy League school no less.
@@RobertJung-q6z Cenk in a graduate of UPenn’s Wharton School of Business for his undergrad and received his Lw Degree from Columbia University. If you actually watched and listened (key being listened), maybe you would have heard that…
They'll call you an anti-semite but never a liar...
because everyone from india to europe alot of asian counties south america all think islam is pretty extreme and dosent wanna help em after 1400 years of islam conquests and constant conflicts and when this fact is pointed out they label us Islamophobic......what a joke does christianphobic or hinduphobic exist?
You're a liar
@@yyr6010 no you are
LMAO please yudaism is the extreme and essential want to help that's why the world didn't accept yewish refugees they are torubke makers meanwhile Islam helped get world and Europe out of the dark ages
Try again
@@yyr6010 Being an antisemite and a liar go hand in hand
Her false position is exposed by all the horror we see, all we know of the State of Israel's cruel history since its founding.
write it on TH-cam: FULL REPORT - 'Hamas Hurt Us, Killed us' : Unfiltered Gazans Speak Out
Look how Natasha is saying ICJ doesn’t have the jurisdiction to punish Israel for the genocide. But not denying committing it. Her only defence against genocide is, I was there once. There were other people in Gaza too. Like the doctors who reported kids getting headshots.
1st and 2nd prof already debunk cenk "Gxide" claim. there is not icj ruling that state there is Gxide in gaza (1st Prof). 2nd prof debunk cenk "Gxide" by showing UAE get to give medical aid to gazans with the help of israel and israel stop fighting to vaccinate 25% of the population (which is hams responsibilities over 16 yrs).
2nd Prof also catch Cenk purposely neglet the legal terms and misrepresenting "Gxide" definition. And here you are repeating the lies of cenk. Cenk himself couldn't even give a strong proof to defy both Profs when they caught him giving false claim about Gxide publicly 3 times. Maybe you dont have such a thick skin like cenk but maybe a brain with lesser neurons connected than cenk's brain.
She’s the best!
She's pure evil! Most who watch this agree.
Cenk, you are the BEST. How many other news networks can go and debate like this. This is why i live TYT ❤❤❤❤
Didn't you get the memo.
Red hearts are now a symbol of the Right.
💙 Left
❤️ Right
@@jackkanoff6265bla bla bla go away zionist
😂😂😂😂😂 he is the best joke on u tube😂😂😂😂
@@jackkanoff6265 get a life
@@os-cr1wf u mad because he is not like the rest of pro zionists 🤣
😮 Damn she dropped blood libel in less than 60 seconds. I can already see where her argument is going.
She is a lawyer. So she lost to Cenk.
They are a desperate lot. Busting out the tired anti Semitic argument.
@greg6924 Biden claims to be a Christian Zionist. So he believes he needs to be on the side of Israel on everything. Trump has no such baggage. Even if the US recognises the annexation of the West Bank by Israel, EU would not. How long can the special relationship between Israel and the US last?
@@greg6924 that argument will remain necessary for as long as quran98/6 and sahihbukhari2926 are allowed to brainwash the populations of a 2billion people religion. Islamic CORE scripture was designed for the demise of all non-muslims, and for all time.
@@chefroxstarr9467 that’s in reference to accusations of Jews stealing organs, Jews orchestrating this because they are blood thirsty, Jews shooting Palestinian children for the fun of it etc.
Debate footage starts at 12:05
I swear... I value my time.. ive been noticing this too from other live coverages..
✌️🙏. P.s. your 12 minute intro eats up data. I dont really "talk words" in my videos.. but atleast i do "something"
🤘🥁🎶
16:20. See... I already lost.. before the rules were set in that debate I already commented here..
😂. Hilarious. Welp. I'm outta here. ✌️
I pity the guy who is her husband or boyfriend
She wouldn't look in your direction sweetie so not to worry😂😂
Glad to read comments where people ignore facts and choose to believe to what aligns to their priors
Damn Hermonie went over my head.
Anyway, Israel seems to have gone too far to me.
A technicality in the law means she might win the case. But technically she lost the moral argument.
they have morals?
you are such a moral person who defy her without proving her wrong. which line which law which claim is incorrect? you can't prove that's why you attack her of losign moral without basis
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla the US deputy state department spokesman Vedant Patel stated at a press conference this week that only 45 aid trucks a day entered Gaza in the last month when it should be at least 350. To say that sufficient food is being provided is a lie.
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla im sure she is a nice person in most matters
However when it comes to human and property rights of Palestinians it seems she uses her holy book to deny them.
If only she was morally consistent and do to others as she wished for herself then I'd support her.
Read about 1947 Haganah, Irgun and Lehi gangs and how the Nakba started with Plan Dalet.
@@exist7309Just this? Israel have been posting piles and trucks of aid stayed untouched for months in gaza collection point. Saying that aid distribution by humanitarian agency has low efficiency. Hamas attack on distribution trucks in gaza even make the situation worst.
Same too you should take US UK NATO statement since you take theirs as reference for aid, you should take their judgement and statement as fact when they say Israel military code of conduct is higher than the required international standard. Never have Russia built refugee camps for Ukraine but Israel did. Never have Poland Moldova Romania reject helping Ukrainians but Egypt did. Israel has done more than enough
It doesn’t finish it freezes after 1:19:02 it’s blank and sounds like the most important part! Can TH-cam fix this
bravo brother Cenk vey proud of you very well done. She has no heart no conscious and no feeling whatsoever of sympathy for human being and chidden massacre and genocide .
bravo brother Cenk vey proud of you very well done. you have successfully eaern the thickest face skin when you repeat the lies after your lies are debunked by 2 prof for 3 times in 10 minutes.
Does she forget that one hospital where the IDF evicted all the staff and patients but forget to take the babies with them. 15 days later those babies were all found in the hospital and they had been left to whither away and die with no one there to care for them. If that doesn't horrify people what would!
Who would run off and leave babies behind?
@@OnlybyGrace-e57 The IDF kicked every person in the Hospital and told nurses that an Ambulance would be by to pick up the babies But the IDF simply left the babies about 15 to die . Heartbreaking!~
The perpetrators on oktober 7 are to be blamed for this war. in war civilians die and in wars raging in urban arreas with 10x more population density than normal in wars- a 10x larger collateral casualty count is to be expected. That's what Sinwar and Hamas expected too, which is why the oktober7 attack was carried out, in hope that Iran would join in from this horribe aftermath we see now.
As for comparing armenians with gazans 9:27, the armenians were christians- while gazans are operating under islam, which propagates clear hatred for all non-muslims(quran98/6, q9/29) especially jews(sahihbukhari2926). Hausdorff is accused of gaslighting, but it's Uygur who does the gaslighting, ignoring the horrible difference between islam and the other abrahamic religions.
Yeah man the Jews _totally_ love Christian’s it’s not like they don’t try to undermine Christianity in Israel as well as throughout the world through Hollywood
"the horrible difference between Islam and the other Abrahamic religions" - as if such differences justify violence or genocide. This reasoning is not just flawed, it's deeply dangerous. A gross oversimplification and misrepresentation of a religion followed by over a billion people. Do you really believe that differences in religious texts are grounds for exterminating a group of people?
@@senioMseD islam was designed to undermine all earlier religions. study the quran instead of your tinfoil hat and learn something. again, quran98/6 says it very clearly.
@@thesensiblestreamer2958 okt7 justifies war and war in Gaza means horribly many dead. Hamas planned this. Accusing israel of genocide is heartless slander of a people who have seen the worst level of that- and which are spoken of in islamic CORE scipture as the worst of creatures. Who are to be fought until the end of time when rocks and trees begin to speak. Given that Gaza is a practically a kaliphate- that "horrible difference with islam" is indeed a cause for Israel to finish this war. Which, again, Hamas STARTED.
@@asdf-bm4dfyour mommy Netanyahu funded khamasss
At this point its laughable. Who actually believe the IDF is the most moral military in history...
Everyone who has bothered to look at the actual evidence.
@@davethebrahman9870 look! a penny!
name a country who sides with Islamic ones cause it seems there on there own after the 1400s years of Islamic conquests on other people
@@davethebrahman9870you said that to say what? 🤔
@@davethebrahman9870 I can smell you from here "Dave".
I like how she spends most of her time arguing jurisdiction instead of whether or not the actual genocide is being committed.
If the act is committed outside of criminal jurisdiction, that doesnt mean the act wasnt committed
The other legal Professor made it clear too in his clear view - Israel IS NOT COMMITTING GENOCIDE
Did you not listen ?? Israel is NOT committed genocide
Cenk is completely out of his league here
What does the bot say?
I read forty comments from you asking: what does the bot say? I'm starting to suspect that there is only one bot here and it's called@@way2jaded1
She was smoked. She basically argued, " Dont believe your eyes. Believe my words."
exactly
"You CAN trust the Israeli government. ...Because you OUGHT to trust the Israeli government .". WTF? What kinda lame logic is that!? Its logic for people with wodden brains.
"and if you don't believe my words, you are an anti semite, and if you call me a liar that is blood libel"
Repulsive woman -- for all her legalistic verbiage, denying Israeli responsibility for the slaughter of tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians (or did I miss something 😢?).
Book "Testimonies without boundaries"
Natasha sold his soul for 💷
Naughty I see you misgendering that poor criminal lawyer.
She wiped the floor with Cenk in this debate. He was completly out of his depth.
No one listens what Zionists are saying, I muted it until Cenk starts speaking
Could it be that you muted her because you were uncomfortable with your cognitive dissonance?
What does the bot say?
She wiped the floor with him.
This woman is pure evil.
even my cat agreed with you!
…she is RIGHT
@@karstenkailer4669 No sweetheart she is not right. She tells lies lies and lies. Educate yourself. Nazi Israel will be demolished. And you will see it happening before your eyes. It's actually happening right now as we speak. Enjoy
yet you can't prove her wrong, that's why you attack her personally. what a low class tactic
- ICJ protocol, and Chief Judge ICJ misused power being exposed why ICJ Vice President from Uganda
- ICJ did not abide by its own law, Uti Possidetis Juri general international law for israel borders (inherited from Bristish Mandate) and official territory (include Gaza Judea Sumeria Jerusalem)
- Palestine is not a country because failed to fulfill international law as a country. but is a political product by getting UN members' vote politically.
- COGAT for 50% more than required calorie by humanitarian law, food truck, at least 3 crossing
- Egypt's responsibility African Union Convention on Refugees to open RAfah borders, provide safe space to gazans preventing humanitarian aid falls into hands of hamas
- FRC for debunking IPC report
- Oslo Accord details that show Palestine Authority dont have legal jusdification in ICJ
- Proportionality concept in international military law, proofs: Military assessment by UK US NATO
- Law of proportional, Law of precaution, Law of neccessity
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla Big yawn. You forgot to mention that the Mossad threatened the ICC prosecutor Bensouda for 10 years to drop the case against Israel. Now why would you do such a thing if you're ' innocent ' ? So your long and boring Gaslight hasbara nonsense is not going to convince us. Try again.
I don't know how productive this type of debate arrangement is. One where facts about thousands of children being killed by American bombs, are supposed to contend with an avalanche of legal jargon.
But if you want to go down that road, how come the UN can casually declare a partition of a piece of land? Do you remember who gave 55% of Palestine to 600.000 Zionists and 45% of it to 1'300.000 Palestinians, who could trace their origins BACK to that land at least 1500 years ago?
Why the fuck can the UN (which actually means the US) come a declare some filthy partition of someone else's land?
@@kreyvegas1 you don’t know what your talking about. That’s really not what happened that the US decided this. You need to read more to understand this conflict because it’s long and complicated. I can tell you that the arab narrative is a fraud
Israel recognises international law? So they accept the icj ruling?
You mean the one with "not entering Rafah"? You do realise that Sinwar was ki**ed in Rafah right? 😅
israel recognises international law does not equal accept the icj ruling. ICJ itself state that ICJ dont have the right to rule over non member states like Israel and US. the 1st Prof has also stated clearly with the support of ICJ statement that according to law, "Palestine" never a state because it didnt fit into the criteria of a staet. there is no palestine. "Palestine" now is just a politcal product of benefits exchange and the gather of radical ideologies states to gain UN votes. This is why ICJ never have the right to rule over israel when israel is non member and Palestine is not a state (supported by the !st Prof claiming that it is ICJ statement). Taking Taiwan as example, Taiwan is more qualified to be a state but because of not enough political bargains to get UN members vote, Taiwan now didnt get regconition.
Now the problem is ICJ dumped their protocol the ICJ set themselves, misused of power by President of ICJ (being accused by Uganda Vice President of ICJ) to target Israel.
Israel has done more than required by the international law (refer to John Spencer, urban warfare analyst)
Of course lying is her job.
That's disgusting
Of course,why ?
@@4Leni6She doesn't have knowledge she confirmed because she confirmed
Cenk is a guy...
Lawyer is latin for liar
Is she really claiming that the proof that IDF is adhering to the principle of proportionality, and is not in violation of international humanitarian law, is that the IDF:s own military lawyers says so, and that the goverments of the UK and the US (the most pro-Israel goverments in the world) agrees? And is she really implying that the IDF military lawyers are non-biased just because they sit outside the chain of command?
Having watched Natasha for the last year, I knew she was going to put on a clinic. This debate was over before it even started.
She was very poor here. You are seeing something that is in your head.
@@phillaysheo8Have you considered that the combination of her vocabulary and knowledge in international law simply went over your head? Cenk got embarrassed, but then again, he always does. 😂
@@jasonphilly2341 While the English lawyer's command of professional jargon and legal loopholes does go over the head of most people because most people are not trained lawyers. She uses this to intimidate ordinary people into ignoring the blatantly obvious. Fortunately, most ordinary people can understand obvious moral logic, if not contrived legal arguments. If an army obliterates 80% to 90% of a densely populated urban area with the civilians cooped up inside with nowhere to run to, this is pretty much a mass atrocity in itself, and that is the case regardless of the rights and wrongs of what triggered the conflict. Anyone but the most stupid on the one hand, or paid propagandists like this English lawyer on the other, can see this
@@Mngl1897 so I guess you'd like for her to apologize for being incredibly brilliant? Secondly, let me ask you a question. What is Israel supposed to do? Throw the white flag since Hamas hides behinds civilians? When a pro-palestine can answer this question, let me know. Hamas can surrender and itll all be over.
@@Mngl1897 sounds like you'd prefer if Natasha apologize for being incredibly brilliant. How dare she use big words! One question that pro palestine people can NEVER answer. What should a nation do when its enemy hides behind civilians? And dont say to use more precise operations. They used special ops and then got criticized for that too.
Well. She is right.
This woman making weak arguments hurts her position. She is not making technical arguments to a judge. Her weak positions indicate that she has no strong argument.
Cenk " Im not a lawyer but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express "
He received a Juris Doctor degree from Columbia Law School but sure Holiday Inn Express. Oh and erm....What does the bot say?
This lady is two minutes in and I can’t take it. I pride myself in always listening to all sides. But the gaslighting is just too much.
Don't worry, she's so terrible at her job you won't even be triggered watching her nonsense arguments.
She's rude, and smarmy it seems a little cold since we are talking about tens of thousands of dead kids.
You're just jealous because she's not on your side. You have a petulant little child in Francesca Albanese to argue against Israel. Francesca has the intellect of a angry 5 year old and is a laughingstock.
Are kids from October 7 counted?
low class to attack someone personally when you cant prove her wrong
@YolandaSaldivar4eva you celebrated in October 8 ? Than celebrate again in January 21 2025. When orange terror will be in charge.
@@YolandaSaldivar4eva IDF strictly adheres to international law. They have an exceptional legal system that reviews everything the IDF does. No army can eradicate rogue soldiers.
She’s an insufferable ideologue.
she's turned this from a legal debate into another stage for their lies.
yet you can't point out 1 line 1 law 1 claim she presented is false. thai's why you chose personal attack. low class
After listening to her I'd be ashamed to be British if that view represented even a fraction of our population.
I'm British and I think she is spot on. She represents the majority of our population.
Am i the only person noticing that the "lawyer" constantly contradics herself? She doesnt see the icc and icj as valid courts but those are the only courts we have for international law. And she said israel does not agree to the icc and icj ergo we do not agree with international law and then she twists international law so far out of proportion to defend her point.
No, honey. You're not.
U don't understand what she said about icj icc. Icj doesn't recognised Palestine as a legal state.(from 1st prof). Icj don't have jurisdiction over non member state, which is icj working protocol. Israel non member state, while Palestine not a state according to Icj because it did not fulfill legal criteria of a state. That's why current chief of icj is abusing his power to target Israel where icj don't have this right at the first place. (vice president icj from Uganda accuse Chief Judge I J abuse his power, go against icj founding protocol) Getting seat in UN not equal Palestine is a legal state in terms of law.
Doesn't even sound like she believes what she's saying
that your imagination. she stood firm and caught cenk lies about "proportionality" schoolled him regarding the operation procedures of ICJ and ICC. She did well just like how she exposed medhi mirepresenting Balfour statement by labeling Balfour as antisemites eventhough Balfour statement is just pointing out the difference of ethnics groups in the society
She came to collect her pay check for the debate and leave.
The cognizant dissociation is real.
If Natasha is Alice in Wonderland, then Cenk is Shrek.
😂
Cenk could not refute anything Natasha said so he kept repeating false allegations that she already debunked.
Ceng lost this debate towards the very beginning of this.
Oh my gosh, I was expecting the lawyer to put up a defense, but defending the devil himself is no easy task. 😂😂
She is supposed to be the best Israel as to offer, an international expert. And all she could muster was "everyone is anti-semitic".
@@byronlovelace8379 you are showing how simple you brain is.
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla and you just showed how simple yours is.
@@byronlovelace8379 low class to defame someone when you cant prove which ilne which law which claim she presented is false
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla Stop crying and move on
Hamas dresses just like civilians. If they cared about their people, they would wear uniforms.
How can such an important debate have such poor audio set up?
Lots of Hasbara bots in the comments.
Please can we have Francesca Albanese, an actual expert in international law, as she practices it, sit down with this ridiculous woman, whose greatest legal achievement is….clerk to the Supreme Court in Jerusalem !! That’s it, no evidence of her ever practicing law in any courtroom
Have you looked?
She lost to Cenk, she would get destroyed by Francesca
I appreciate your stellar performance and your engagement for the Palestinians, Cenk❤
Thank you Cenk for having thick face to repeat the propagandas eventhough being caught providing false claims and debunked by both professors at least 3 times in 20 minutes.
Cenk is the man keep standing up for the people f$c the haters
He looks like such an oaf next to her, he has no know idea what she is talking about so he reverts to the same rhetoric without being able to refute her arguments
God bless you Cenk, you are among the heroes of humanity.
Cenk prevents Palestine children and women die or suffer rather then go to the save place in Egypt.
Ukrainians, Syrians, Sudanese and everyone else can escape, but accordingly to Cenk, Gazans are different.
In every mordern war it is obligation, accourding to the international law, of the 3d party newtral country to accept the refugees. When it comes to arab country Egypt, Cenk believes that special rules apply.
Willfully "misunderstanding" displacement is quite impressive.... good job, big brain 👍
That's because Cenk is a Neo-Ottoman Islamic fascist imperialist in a disguise of a liberal Democrat
He can't fool everyone, most of the people see through him.
Not sure what that woman was talking about.
Not surprised.
Cenk overreacting she’s calm 😂
being calm doesn't make your statements more true
@ i didn’t mean that
Psychopathic serial killers remain calm too. Doesn’t make them right.
I wonder what these legal people would be saying if they spent a week in Gaza as a Palestinian living in a tent.
Legal people will azk "WTFyu keednapp F0reign-Nasi0nals on 0kto7. What they have g0t to do with yur K0nflik!"
well, if you check on youtube you can find videos that show the region before the war and the standards of living looked quite amazing. That is, until they decided to go to war. See how this works?
@@tonybanks1035 To be fair, the standard of living was not that amazing, it was decent at best, but it was still miles better than what it turned out to be thanks to Hamas's misguided actions.
S1NW0R was Living in Luxury h0me in Gazzza.
But he K0mplained he was living in an 0pen-Air Prizz0n bec0z he could n0t Imp0rt "Weap0ns" frm I-ran.
Then he planned for 0kto7 to live a better than 0pen-Air Prizzz0n.
After 0kto7, he live in hiz 0wn-Made Tunnel-Prizz0n for more than a year.
Strange Ch0ice in Life if yu think abt that.
they glad that israel did not take revenge on gazan civilians indifferently. they are glad that israel take over the role of gazan gov who fail to vaccinate its population over 16 yrs. They will amazed that israel willing to stop fighting, give in security concession for vaccinating 25% gazans
at about the 40 minute mark her body language tells me she knows she has not only lost the argument, but has begun to reanalyze her intellectual positions and employment options...
im glad she is coming around. i hope enough do so as to end this genocide.
The problem is that there are too many blind supporters of Palestine that make it seem like it's true even though it is not.
USA only lets israel do all this BS cause they look white and sounds white facts... if they were brown they would have been stopped long ago
low class comment. she won the debate when cenk was caught lying 3 times by both profs in 10 minutes. none of the prof debunk natasha claims
@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla her arguments where pedantic legalese... she would have lost in court also.
@@eveblot4195 which line which law which claim you said it is false? what is your proof to prove her claim is false? can you defy her claim with solid proof?
ICC prosecutor is trying to deflect attention of his sexual harassment allegations by a staff member. He's been accused in the past by both men and women. His brother is serving time in prison for sexual assault. Makes me think they were subject to sexual abuse as children.
You are isolating one individual. Aren't you aware of how rotten the IDF is when it comes to a culture of misogyny and sexual harassment
Go Cenk!
write it on TH-cam: FULL REPORT - 'Hamas Hurt Us, Killed us' : Unfiltered Gazans Speak Out
I literally cannot believe she's serious lmaooooooo
She did horribly. The appeals to emotion and higher authority only work if we don’t have social media to see the carnage for ourselves.
Was the audio recorded from a lunch box?
its was recorded from a crystal radio
Isreali propaganda sounds the same in every debate
Yeah, that's because you have an irrational hatred of Jewish people. Guess they all look the same to you as well right?
Because it is. Their ideological discipline is shameful
@LukeMcGuireoides well that's interesting because the exact same argument could be used for the other side. Maybe their agenda is veiled in the call towards emotional thinking, rhetorical acrobatics and the Clarion call of I don't support X but Y is worse, yet pretty clear to anyone who has been a victim and then been vilified for their response to the initial crime that this is all about an unearned redemption of the antagonist based on false moral equivalency. Their is nothing at stake for those who attack Israel's position except virtue signalling points and the salient thrill of denigrating Jews, but for us this is existential. No matter how many Muslims die, they're always going to be more to replace them, but if Israel gets wiped off the map then that's all she wrote. So if you've got no skin in the game except your perceived moral superiority, then maybe you'll never understand, especially if you have no capacity for compassion towards anyone who doesn't agree with you.
@@TheSunshineRunaway52 there are more jews abroad than in Israel, so that claim is total bunk. And the idea that the other side is ideologically or strategically aligned in its opposition to Israel is clearly and abundantly false. That cannot be overstated.
@@TheSunshineRunaway52 apologize for claiming that someone who you don't know (and didn't say anything against Jews) had hatred of Jewish people.
Every time he opens his mouth, he displays his ignorance
You just showed yours..
@norga2063 that was really clever!
Did you think of it all by yourself or did someone help you?
@@JonnyBlunt-t3nno.. i just let you open ur mouth as it were.., no input from me at all 🤷♀️
@norga2063 weird thing to say considering you've already contributed 2 comments albeit pretty feeble ones
@ y is weird to call u out on ur racism and ignorance?
audio improves at 9:30 and is good from 11:02 onwards
56:25 That line, that he thought was genius, fell so flat it was a thing of beauty to see his face when he realised everyone thought it was cringe af!!! 😂
Natasha refers to laws, give verified figures and facts from the ground while Cenk condescendingly spit out some cynical statements and half ass some quotes and shout. I guess it is true what they say:
"Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon just knocks all the pieces over.
Then shits all over the board. Then struts around like it won"
Lies. She isn't sharing verified facts
@@DieNibelungenliad Where is the proof of that? She gave you the law numbers and the sources for most things said. Which is a lie?