For a MSRP $200 cheaper card that draws way less power and acess modern tech it is awesome that a basic entrance card is faster than a midrange refreshed card.
@@davdev793 but is it better than the 3060 12gb card? And are performance gains between the $499 4060ti worth the investment? Sure, the 4070 is better but it’s double.
Im still rocking 2070, but the lack of hdmi 2.1 is a negative as I started playing on 4k 120hz oled tv. Gpu prizes are crazy. 500e should be maximum for midrange.
@@kphuts815 Plus the 4070 super is more than twice as fast as what he already has for only 100 dollars extra and runs on like half the power. I'd say it's more than worth it at this point
I had to rip the hard drive bay out of my case to fit my new RX 7800 XT. I even bought the smaller Sapphire Pulse version, but it was still too big lol.
Ive had an i7 9700 paired with 1660ti for so long. Upgraded to a new 13700 and 4060 because a good deal came up a few weeks ago. Blown away by what it can actually do and the 4060 is much smaller than I thought it would be
I remember in the past the 750 Ti was competitive with the base PS4, but as games got more optimized it was left in the dust and you needed at least a GTX 960 or R9 380 to have a comfortable advantage.
@@LianCasablacks yes, been using it since last year on a 27 inch 1440p monitor with high or ultra settings bordering on 100fps on my (mostly racing) games. that monitor is also connected to a PS5 so I'm able to make a comparison between Motorfest and ACC versions. Granted, I make use of the DLSS available
I'm finally considering upgrading from my 2080 Super, but, even at 3440x1440, it still does a pretty admirable job playing the newest games. Really it's my monitor that ensures it though. Even games like Starfield that couldn't hold a steady 60fps, still feel so smooth on it, compared to regular displays. VRR is such a fantastic feature.... Combined with DLSS I probably could hold out until the 60 series if I really wanted to. (I have a G-sync "ultra" display with the extra chip or whatever though, so I'm not sure if all the other versions of VRR actually feel as good. I'd imagine they're all game changers regardless, though)
i have the 2080 super and am4 chip Im moving over to a 4070super I got for $500 this week and the a am5 board with a 7800x3d when its on sale asap. I noticed in 4k the card is starting to hold games back, especially on games without dlss, older games I play. and the heat is too much for where I live so the lower TDP was a big goal for gpu and cpu.
I’d get a 7900gre or 7900xt maybe a 7900xtx. Best bang for the buck on the high mid to high end. The 4080 and 4090 and even the 3080 are bad values. The 4070 super maybe the 4070ti super is okay if you NEED a 40 series Nvidia
@@justacollegestudent5147 I don't even think my monitor supports standard vrr though. I have just always owned Nvidia (where EVGA was my preferred brand, so I don't even know what manufacturer I wanna go with either (leaning ASUS)), but it might just be more headache switching than it's worth for me
@6 Yeah there is, 7800X3D and 4070 Ti beats a PS5 big time and a console is nothing but a gaming machine with a locked down ecosystem that will milk you dry over time (paid multiplayer, paid cloud saves, expensive games, no mod support and more), where you can do whatever you want on a PC. No comparison, you are correct.
PC Optimised setting and PS5 vs GPUs are my favorite. Looking forward to PS5 pro (or xbox if turns out to be more powerful). These videos provides insight on GPU buying decision esp since new consoles tend to be released every 3-4yrs (PC GPU gens are every 2-3yrs).
@@mitsuhh He's including the mid-cycle refresh (aka Pro versions). If I were still a console gamer I'd be pissed my console is replaced even before its lifecycle is over.
The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as the 6800 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console.
Can you do something similar with a previous gen console and the GPUs released during that time. The performance increase from the 2060,3060, and 4060 still really lack luster. Has it always been this way or has progress pretty much come to a halt?
I can't believe a PS5 can keep up with a 3060/4060 - that is absolutely amazing. Those things are 15 TFLOPS and the PS5 is only 10ish. Incredible what difference a fixed platform can make. My PS5 has been gathering dust for 2 years since I got a PC and assumed the PS5 was ancient performance - but actually its still low tier current PC; which aint bad for a 3 year old console.
TFLOPS mean little to nothing the only people who bring up TFLOPS are console marketing teams and console fanboys who don't know what they are talking about
@@mmremugamesmm consoles are not highly optimized at all games these days are super unoptimized if games were fully optimized we could see 2-3X more performance easily
I have a gaming pc, a steam deck, and a PS5. There are plenty of PS5 games If I'm only counting "exclusives" then I effectively have no current gen games on PC, either. For 400 dollars I have access to an absolutely fantastic library on PS5. I buy most of my games if I can on PC because of the steam deck, but most of these games are available on PS5 and run just as well as my gaming PC, which has a 3060 in it. @@XSphynxForEvilX
big issue people seem to forget is that ps5 is locked to 30/60 and you cant change shit urself while a pc is unlocked and you can get very high fps and tweak anything.
I have purchased many games solely on implementation of new graphics techniques, i.e. ray tracing, DLSS, remasters and such...that Avatar game looks amazing but the movies suck imo and I just cant bring myself to spend $70. I'm sure it will go on sale at some point...I'd easily give $30 for it. lol Nice video, guys. It is especially relevant because I happen to have the PS5 and an older RTX2060 gaming pc, which I thought I broke so last year I purchased a PC with a 4070; its great to see how these compare. I must say, I thought the 2060 was great until the most recent round of games, like Robocop and Alan Wake 2 came out, that really does push the limits of an RTX2060. Heck they push the limits of the 4070 as well.
The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as the 6800 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console
My PS5 hasn't depreciated at all with the costs in Canada compared to when I bought Day 1 lol. My 7900xt has depreciated heavily since I bought day one.
@kamalaharry9514 Dude what are you talking about? Xbox X has better performance than 3060. PS5Pro will be close to 4060ti+ PS6? Probably will be 3x faster than your 3060.
Seems 2020 me nailed it pretty close. My thought was a R5 5600 and 3060ti should hold me over this entire console generation; and built for only a little more than the price of console. Only thing I didn't foresee was the vram being a problem. Still slightly boggling how some 10yr old games have better looking textures using 2GB of VRAM than new games do on low using over 8GB; looking at TLOU1 and Forspoken prepatch. Have devs moved to uncompressed textures or something? Wish I knew why so much texture data is being utilized these days.
It's because they use to do the work to make it fit in as little vram as they could, now though they just want to be lazy and not put in the work to get it to fit in little vram as possable. So in turn we need 2x-3x the amount of vram to fit in the same amount of data, you gotta love it.
well some games aren't super optimized, but you've probably noticed that game file sizes are much larger now so they try to keep as much textures in VRAM as possible to avoid low-res/missing textures on objects and the environment. I also got a 5800X and 3070 in early 2021 but recently upgraded to a 4070 Super due to the VRAM woes. Sold the 3070 for almost $300 so the upgrade wasn't too costly. I would've gone AMD but like DLSS and RT too much
@@nisnast I suspect you're right; just odd since we've had 4096x4096 textures since 2012. I used a texture pack for skyrim ages ago with 4k textures and it didn't kill my vram. I guess the variety of unique textures has risen? Still think you'd be able to down rez the textures to 1024x1024 so at distance they'd look good but would be worse up close for us poor 8GB plebs :D
@@randysalsman6992 Classic "devs lazy" bullshit argument. Textures are getting incredible in this gen, and if you want them at that high res, you need VRAM.
HI Any chance to get a real comparison on Geforce Now 4080 tier Vs a Standalone equivalent machine or superior? Setting Unreal engine 5 games and Cyberpunk for istance... Thanks!
For years high GPU prices were caused by krypto mining. Now the situation will become even worse with AI driving the demand for VRAM astronomically. I think it's basically over for gamers lol
the review is very good and very informative and very helpful. thank you very much for sharing this information out. a follow from here. thank you again for your help and effort in making these videos.
It would be really interesting to see a GTX 1080 Ti in this comparison because I bet that sumgun would be right there with all of these. The teraflops are similar to a PS5. All these years later it's still viable. Amazing. It may even be the reason why they have held up the newer midrange cards *cough cough 4060..them regretting making such a godly GPU and needing to recoup what they lost from so many people using their 1080 Ti's for so long. I hope they didn't sell very many 4060's. In this market the customers are smart and do research and compare. GPU's are fun to learn about and so people do.
This is why I'm the PC player all you got to do is just replace the technology inside your PC and there you go next-gen graphics with no restrictions. The RTX 2070 makes the games look even more amazing to play games on P.C.
This depends - i have a 2018 build with i7-7700k + rx 580 that got definetly obsolete for games, even if it's perfect for standard PC usage. A new GPU would also mean bottleneck from CPU, lack of PCIe 4.0, resizebale BAR etc etc... meaning i'd need to spend 1000€+ on replacing Mobo + CPU + GPU and maybe even RAM (DDR4 vs DDR5). So to cut it shorts in the end i just basically got a PS5 with 500€.
I did some digging, coz I was making cheap gaming PC for a someone. Gtx1650 super is going to give you similar fidelity as XSS in CP2077 in 1080p, but you can turn off FSR and get 30-40 FPS, with better crowds settings. Gtx1660ti is similar to the XSS.
Gamers Nexus said the console was like a GTX - GTX 1070 and Richard is ," Its like a high end PC" just like did with Xbox One. Then later he made fun of how bad the console was.
While desktops are great for upgrading, I'm curious how some of the SFF NUC like machines would fare for comparison. If a 4070 laptop is akin to a 4060 desktop, and a 4060 desktop is slightly above a PS5, perhaps even a 4060 laptop NUC-like would give the consoles a run for their money in terms of size, power usage, and heat generation. We'll have to see what price point those end up with. Interesting times!
The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as the 6800 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console
@@michubern1444 That was the Google translator who wrote nonsense. I actually wrote the DLSS, FG, FSR and what all the other functions are called and ray tracing is always deactivated for me, regardless of whether it's a console or PC, the same as 2K and 4K resolution, which I even like AI functions It doesn't matter whether CatGPT or voice assistants or other AI functions
@@michubern1444 ne If I don't want to use this function, I will simply deactivate it or if I have to activate it from the manufacturer, so ray tracing I will only use the software solution on the lowest setting and if a game can no longer support 1080P then I will add it using a custom function Also, I can't use ray tracing anyway because I deactivated it on my 4070 using Nvidia Inspector or every game that supports ray tracing either only shows the software solution or the option is there like in a game that I have when I turn on hardware ray tracing ON but it has no effect on the optics as it is set to deactivated in the driver and I don't see any optical difference between 1080P and 4K, which is why I don't use 4K and because it requires too much performance on the PCs, performance is more important to me I have 60 FPS and I no longer care how much I put into the quality
The more recent is the game, the more ps5 get lower performance vs Rtx 4060. The two best example is avatar using New tech from Ubisoft engine and Alan wake 2 using mesh shader wich we already know is not fully utilized on PC
I like the Ps5 because you pay $500 and your done and ready to play . The $300 cards still need a lot more computer parts to buy before it can play a game .
A PC might cost more upfront, but when you want to upgrade your hardware in a few years, you've already saved money by having all of the parts. You only need to buy a new $300 graphics card, whereas Sony is going to charge you at least $600 for the PS5 Pro, and probably $700 for the PS6. A good PC is just a ship of Theseus, where you only upgrade the parts that need to be upgraded, saving you a lot of money in the long run.
@@Dr.WhetFarts I do not pay a penny to Sony . Only if I buy a digital game from PS store because it is 70% off. I only play offline single player games and There is no charge from sony for the digital games they save for you after purchase . My games come from pawnshop used game disc bargain bins . I just bought Jedi Survivor and Horizon Forbidden West for $12 each .
Agree but also use fsr2 with the 5700xt as it is ALWAYS used on console and cannot be turned off. To show them without it and say its pretty close is so ignorant.
That's ridiculous bro, you clearly haven't played in any 7th gen console for quite a while, they look absolute trash, GTA V being an open-world game that still holds up today is very much trash on the PS3 with horrible graphics and frame-rate, I've had a PS3 for a year in 2019.RDR runs even worse. Your 1080Ti may hold up because it's just that much of a beast, and it's on a similar level to the 9th-gen consoles. However don't expect to play games on High or even Medium settings in the future unless it's 1080p with FSR.
RDR2 alone is light-years ahead on the PS4 compared to RDR on the PS3, let alone the PS5, imagine actually thinking GTA V on the PS3 is going to be anywhere near GTA VI on the PS5 😂😂😂😂😂
Gtx10xx does not have mesh shaders, you are at ~80% of rtx4060 when they are used, but games are patched to work around them. Without patch it is worse than gtx1660ti probably. But yeah, it is still similar to PS5 performance.
Your statement is true but the messed up thing is 2070 cost $500 a few years ago at the same time the PS5 cost $500. Today you can get the same performance for $300 but if you check the price of a PS5 it's still $500 which is crazy. No price reduction at all
@@LimitGTX Because Sony was selling PS5 at loss in 2020 when now they make some money. Still it's an entire system not just GPU. Nvidia still more greedy than Sony ever was
I think 3060 would be fair, or the 3060Ti according to Jan 2024 steam survey #1 annd #6 most popular GPUs. THe comparison videos and optimized settings would be more useful and anyways PC gamers are sitting closer to monitor so no need to compare 4k to 4k upscale , just 1440p w dlssq or 1080p native or dlaa
Agreed. They always say resolution isn’t the best all end all. On a monitor at 1440 or 1080 with ultra and max settings will look and perform better than consoles medium settings and dynamic res and upscaling.
If you're going to get Alex to replace his testing setup with 2 gpus, why not make one of them AMD? Replacing the 2070S with a 3060 and 4060 seems a bit odd.
AMD only has 10% of the GPU market, they're trying to cater the mainstream test setup to GPU's that are popular, the 3060 is the most popular in the world and the 4060 is its successor that people will probably be looking at. They're not really a hardcore hardware channel anyway, usually focusing on a high end and a mainstream build when testing performance.
@rke3655Yeah, but I still feel like doing an AMD test would be helpful because it gives a clearer picture of how good a PC port the game is. Also, they've never had issues before testing Nvidia and AMD in games. Like the UE5 Matrix test, or other titles.
The 3060 uses less electricity and has 4gb more vram. It is slower. The 4060 has the latest features and uses the least amount of electricity. Anyone using any of these cards now may not be gaming enthusiasts or it's a card on a secondary pc, home theater etc. Nvidia does have 80%+ of the video card market right now.
If anything: 720p = 1k because of the 1280p horizontal rounded to the closest 1000 or (k) 1080p = 2k because of the 1920p horizontal rounded to the closest 1000 or (k) 1440p = 3k because of the 2560p horizontal rounded to the closest 1000 or (k) 2160p = 4k because of the 3840p horizontal rounded to the closest 1000 or (k) It’s surprisingly that QHD or 1440p is considered 2k. It makes zero sense! Life would have been so much easier if they just had 2 resolutions from the start. Because of the 16:9 ratio the normal HD resolution should have been 1600x900 and the UHD resolution should have been 3200x1800. Nice rounded figures that even the average person on the street could know the difference. Most people I know are not technically and find a choice of just 2 options is much preferred. An ok choice that gets the basics gone and a superior choice if you want premium.
@@wizzenberry *it's But 2560 is closer to 3000 than 2000... your logic fails straight away. And if you are going to call 3840 a "4K", then let me ask you, what is half of 4? 2, correct. And what is half of 3840? 1920, correct. So if you must call something a 2K for some reason, it's obviously 1920x1080, aka FHD.
@@joseijosei Reliable sources seem to be fairly certain. Most sources now even seem to be honing on the same specs. Nothing is 100% guaranteed. But I'm willing to bet it will come. Especially since they did a PS4 Pro.
With only a few PS5 exclusives available...it makes you think twice to just opt to a 4060 that is faster and can run all AAA titles on 1080p(DLSS3)....BOTW and TOTK is just 720p...BG3 is better played on a PC....I can wait a whole year to play FF7 Rebirth on PC if it will be this years' GOTY.....
3 years later and on PC you can pay around $300 for similar performance which is a price drop $500. Yet some how 3 years later the PS5 is still $500 for the same performance.
No, you pay a little less than $600, but around that price, for the full build. You get access to Frame Generation for much higher framerates than the ones in this video, DLSS, which is better than FSR, Nvidia Reflex for lower input latency, better RT performance, access to more games, cheaper prices, no need to pay for online access, etc. It's great, cheaper, 100% worth it and all, but it's not $300 on front. Sure, when you take into consideration that you need a computer, but you don't need a console, then we can talk about saving some extra money, but you get the point. It's not $300.
@@борисрябушкин-з9н Are you crazy, or did someone lie to you? The vast majority of gamers don't play on consoles. The number of gamers who play on current gen consoles, and Switch, is not significant in comparison to the number of gamers who play on PC. We are talking about close to 2 billion PC gamers. You can't compare that to the numbers of people who play on consoles.
My buyers remorse on my 3060 ti build seems to have good ground. I thought my PS5 and 3060ti rig are so similar they should be dating. What a hu$tle PC gaming hardware has become.
@@Dr.WhetFarts You have to point to what looks better to folks lol. That's not ahead tech. Especially considering the PS5's full potential hasn't even been touched yet.
Frame Gen is a marketing scam, at least how Nvidia and AMD do it. They are making a fake frame to go between 2 frames that have already been calculated. What we need is Asynchronous Timewarp / Asynchronous Reprojection like they use in VR. It improves response time without extra frames. Intel released a paper/patent on a frame gen technique several months ago (think it was frame extrapolation or something) that sounds more like that. Unfortunately intel is M.I.A. with Battlemage and will prob be irrelevant by the time it comes out.
@@NoSpamForYou You have to be crazy to think it's a scam. It's my favorite thing about new gen hardware, and it's fixing so many issues in so many games (from stutters, to bad frametimes and bad or high CPU usage). Nvidia Reflex already improves response time without extra frames, so response time is not what you want from Frame Generation. It just gives you a higher framerate. It's not a "marketing scam", because with Frame Generation + Nvidia Reflex you're at a much better place than without it, and it does exactly what it says it does. Actually, Frame Generation is what we want for VR, because it's working great. It just uses AI to generate frames, and they look just like the ones you get from rasterization.
@@joseijosei It literally increases lag to make the game LOOK smoother. Your inputs lag behind the visuals. You cannot play any competitive real time game with Frame Gen as AMD and Nvidia do it. Search youtube for 'Asynchronous Reprojection' demo. The visuals are blocky flat shaded rectangles, but people were fooled into thinking 30fps was 120-240fps. This technique is already being used in VR, they need to bring it to desktop. Basically a quick and dirty morphed/skewed frame to blur between the last calculated frame and the new true frame based on input. Add AI cores to Async Reprojection (aka Timewarp) and you have real frame gen that improves the smoothness and response time.
@Mr7digit I can't agree with that, at least at this point. Not only I did test this like a month ago, using PureDark's mod to give me "fake CPU load" and see how it would perform with around 35 fps, and it felt normal, but also, a couple days ago they (the guys from Digital Foundry) answered the "how many fps for FG" question in the clips channel. The video is easy to find, because it is pretty recent. Alex said that you're good with 40 fps, and I can agree with that. 60 fps is better, but not needed. Unless you are using the very first few FG implementations we had in games like Spiderman, like a year ago, and you're using very old drivers, I don't see the reason why you would feel like FG is only good if you already have 60 fps. When it comes down to artifacts, at that point you can no longer notice them. Like, to you give you an idea, when you compare it to a console, even DLSS + Frame Generation with 40 fps baseline has way less artifacts than a PS5 running a game with FSR 2. Thanks to Nvidia Reflex, you end up with less input latency than the one you originally had, altho turning on DLSS reduces the input latency by more or less the same amount of ms Frame Generation gives you, so Nvidia Reflex is the cherry on top that makes it feel closer to "real 80 fps", because having 80 fps with 40 fps latency is something you may be able to feel with a mouse. The FSR3 mods do have a lot more problems, but... they're good enough to be used and improve someone's experience. It is nice to have them. I wouldn't consider those a scam either. I know a few people with older GPUs who do love those mods, but I didn't try them yet. I didn't experience ghosting with Nvidia's FG, o maybe I will with that one.
@Mr7digit If the resolution of your monitor is 1080p and you have 144hz or more, sure. Otherwise, if you have something like a 1440p 60hz (very common for a monitor, but not as much as 1080p), or 4k 60hz panel (very common for a smart TV), DLSS Quality, when your pixel count is high enough, like in those cases, looks great, sometimes even better than native resolution, unless the game supports DLAA or you're using a DLAA mod, and you are not going to see more fps after 60 fps, because you have 60hz, so pushing for more than 80 fps would be a waste of time, unless you want to improve the input latency, which I would understand if we were talking about a competitive shooter, but if it is a single player game... are you ScreaM or something? With Nvidia Reflex, it would already be lower than consoles running a game at 60 fps with that same internal resolution. I understand why people would rather improve the visuals before that, and actually, Alex recommends the same thing for Cyberpunk, to experience Path Tracing, and he is very peaky. I almost forgot that another reason to use DLSS would be the DLDSR + DLSS combo, because it looks great, and much better than native, so... I don't know if I wouldn't use DLSS when I have the option to.
@@jaderey467 Darn, I should have waited 4 years for the 4060. I could have twiddled my thumbs instead of playing at 1440p on every game. And stop with the 3060 non-sense, it's worse than the 3060ti.
depends on how much u want to spend. ps5 is around mid range 2018 gpu performance. new mid range gpus have been bad upgrades. depending on how NVIDIA 5000 goes ps5 pro might be better value
It's amazing how the Xbox is dead and buried! Most DF videos are PS5 vs something, they never compare anything vs Xbox Series X LOL they just bought the Series X with the PS5 itself
They just ignore a few things because we don't have to see it. Is Frame Generation dead? No, and it's something the 4060 has, so why aren't we seeing that to see how a 4060 can be much better than a PS5? Because the video is about rasterization performance. The PS5 can't do Frame Generation. Most people understand that a PS5 benchmark is enough for a console vs PC comparison, so they can save time by showing us its performance.
Those Nvidia guys control everything through those drivers ! , keep harrassing them guys , they will release drivers wich will unlock the true potential of 40 series
Abbiamo confrontato una GPU Console di gioco: 16GB VRAM Playstation 5 GPU e una GPU Piattaforma desktop: 8GB VRAM GeForce RTX 4060 per vedere quale GPU ha migliori prestazioni nelle specifiche chiave, nei test benchmark, nel consumo energetico, ecc. Principali differenze AMD Playstation 5 GPU Vantaggi Più VRAM (16GB vs 8GB) Banda VRAM più elevata (448.0GB/s vs 272.0GB/s) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Vantaggi Rilasciato 8 mesi in ritardo Boost Clock2460MHz 768 core di rendering aggiuntivi Potenza termica inferiore (115W vs 180W) Punteggio Benchmark FP32 (virgola mobile) Playstation 5 GPU 10.29 TFLOPS GeForce RTX 4060 +46% 15.11 TFLOPS Blender Playstation 5 GPU 990 GeForce RTX 4060 +239% 3363 Playstation 5 GPU VS GeForce RTX 4060 Scheda grafica set 2022 Data di rilascio mag 2023 Console GPU Generazione GeForce 40 Console di gioco Tipo Desktop Interfaccia bus PCIe 4.0 x8 Velocità di clock Clock base 1830 MHz 0 Boost Clock 2460 MHz 1750 MHz Clock memoria 2125 MHz Memoria 16GB Dimensione memoria 8GB GDDR6 Tipo di memoria GDDR6 256bit Bus memoria 128bit 448.0GB/s Larghezza di banda 272.0GB/s Configurazione del rendering 36 Unità di calcolo - Conteggio SM 24 2304 Unità di ombreggiatura 3072 144 TMUs 96 64 ROPs 48 Core Tensor 96 Core RT 24 Cache L1 128 KB (per SM) 4 MB Cache L2 24 MB - - - ps5 : 142.9 GPixel/sTasso di pixel 321.6 GTexel/s Tasso di texture 20.58 TFLOPS FP16 (metà) 10.29 TFLOPS FP32 (float) 643.1 GFLOPS FP64 (doppio) 448.0GB/s Larghezza di banda 256bit Bus memoria 4060: Tasso di pixel 118.1 GPixel/s Tasso di texture 236.2 GTexel/s FP16 (metà) 15.11 TFLOPS FP32 (float) 15.11 TFLOPS FP64 (doppio) 236.2 GFLOPS Larghezza di banda 272.0GB/s Bus memoria 128bit secondo me che ho unrog16 i7 con 4060 8 ram della gpu e 16 ddr6 del pc, cmq ha difficoltà ha farmi girare fortnite con unreal engine tutto ad epico con lumen e tutto ..se collegata alla mia tv NEOQLED 8K 900C 144HRZ ma na bomba a 57 58 fps ..pero si vede che hapoco busram e ram e bus memoria perche con ps5 vedi piu dettagli da lontano e fort gira perfettamente a 60 e anche maggiori dettagli dato che elabora piu pixel al secondo e piu texture .. quindi dipende. per giocare a 1440p 4060 e meglio e si vede meglio ma e un po limitata anche con la ram normale da 8 .. e ps5 sembra andar meglio su altre cose speficiche bus memoria, ram e pixel e texture per secondo .. la 4060 e pero piu veloce. non l avete spiegata tutta .. la console ps5 ha dei vantaggi custom nn da poco .. dove la 4060 se pur più tecnologica fs un po da cono di bottiglia.. meno pixel meno texture per s e meno bus ram e bit.
rather have stable 120 fps in a game than maxing out the graphics and barely being able to hold 30 fps, i think this video has gotta be sponsored by sony or something cause PC can do so much better than a ps5.
Yeah i pointed out some flaws in his video yesterday with 6700vsPS5 and i used time stamps from his video to prove they're nothing alike now there's only 1 game comparison where it's sped up to where you can't notice any difference because it's going so fast. lol Got all the console boys in here going "Yeah tell me how good my console is Daddy, AWH YEAH!!!" lmao
@@mohmmad_170 I remember during an Nvidia key note, they claimed the 3060 would be over 30% faster than the flagship consoles, that's obviously not true. These companies never stop lying to us, their customers. It's pretty sad honestly.
They are not lying 😂, I play most of the games on ultra @ 3400x1440 with my 12 gb rtx 3060 paired with ryzen 7 3800x , ps5 run games on medium preset with a weak cpu. If ps5 would run on windows it would get 12 fps lol
@@funkyboy1190 they never bench games without ray tracing on consoles and never well optimize console games and i f they do its a small segment. great example was halo infinite where the game runs better on a xbox than on a 3070.
Wow oh wow. The 4060 gets an average of 5 to 10 frame rate better than the PS5 here. So not much, barely at all better of a graphics card really. Right now the 4060 is as high as I can go for price, but I already have a PS5 and a Xbox Series X, it seems like the 4060 is about the same barely better than PS5 and Xbox Series X. I hate keyboard and mouse for gaming though, I love controllers only. Seeing as there's barely any different at all I mine as well stay with consoles because I really don't care so much at all about frame rate, as long as it's 30 FPS or better which the consoles do. So overall I'd have to say getting a gaming PC would be a waste of money at this point because I can only afford a pre-built PC with 4060 from Dell/Alienware, Newegg, HP, Asus, Acer, and whatever else. The frame rates like I said I don't care about so much and I love controllers more anyways and consoles are 100% work with controllers vs some games on PC have no controller support and some games like Black Ops 2 require KB and M on the menus, I find it very annoying. So I should just stay with consoles as frame rates I don't care about anyway, I care more about visuals anyway.
The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as the 6800 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console
so the 4060 is only slightly faster than the 2 generations older 2070S
I still using my 2070s🤣🤣
This is actually pretty scandalous when you realize that it's a 5 year old video card.
It's no surprise that the PS5 is close to it.
For a MSRP $200 cheaper card that draws way less power and acess modern tech it is awesome that a basic entrance card is faster than a midrange refreshed card.
@@davdev793 but is it better than the 3060 12gb card? And are performance gains between the $499 4060ti worth the investment? Sure, the 4070 is better but it’s double.
@@davdev793yikes
Im still rocking 2070, but the lack of hdmi 2.1 is a negative as I started playing on 4k 120hz oled tv.
Gpu prizes are crazy. 500e should be maximum for midrange.
?? just buy the 4070 super
@@cuma212 thats more than 500
@@cuma212 its 690e in finland. Im probably going to try get it from usa from a friend visiting.
690e feels too much for 12gb, and 4070ti is 920e.
@@kphuts815 Plus the 4070 super is more than twice as fast as what he already has for only 100 dollars extra and runs on like half the power. I'd say it's more than worth it at this point
More like 400
Guess we've all seen these newer cards but I still get shocked at the size of these cards.
My msi rtx 4090 liquid X is less than a founders edition 💀 fits in a factual design meshify c I'm still shocked how small it is
I had to rip the hard drive bay out of my case to fit my new RX 7800 XT. I even bought the smaller Sapphire Pulse version, but it was still too big lol.
thats why i build new pc in full tower case :D just in case@@victfv
Thay card is not small stop lying @@redclaw72666
Ive had an i7 9700 paired with 1660ti for so long. Upgraded to a new 13700 and 4060 because a good deal came up a few weeks ago.
Blown away by what it can actually do and the 4060 is much smaller than I thought it would be
I remember in the past the 750 Ti was competitive with the base PS4, but as games got more optimized it was left in the dust and you needed at least a GTX 960 or R9 380 to have a comfortable advantage.
750 Ti crushed esports games for me for almost 8 years.
@@eliack95 Damn I'm still rocking my 750Ti hooked up to my 32" 4k monitor.....
@@roasthunteryo what lol
@@roasthunter did your pc even turn on?
@@12coco100 yeah and 1080p performance mode Fortnite I have seen highs of 170fps but normally just over 100fps.
I really dig these console - PC comparisons. I'm currently using a 4060 and have been mostly pleased with it.
its very enjoyable to play, grid not yet dirt2 still way better
I went from xbox series x to pc with rtx 4060 and i5 12th gen and I am really happy
@@Antony13820 Can you play 1440p mid-high settings on that? I have a PS5 and a 2k monitor so I'm debating if I should build a PC with the 4060
@@LianCasablacks I only play on monitor with 1080p brother I don't really know about 1440p. But rtx 4060 is brilliant card
@@LianCasablacks yes, been using it since last year on a 27 inch 1440p monitor with high or ultra settings bordering on 100fps on my (mostly racing) games. that monitor is also connected to a PS5 so I'm able to make a comparison between Motorfest and ACC versions. Granted, I make use of the DLSS available
Your concerned look on the video thumbnail is golden.
I'm finally considering upgrading from my 2080 Super, but, even at 3440x1440, it still does a pretty admirable job playing the newest games.
Really it's my monitor that ensures it though. Even games like Starfield that couldn't hold a steady 60fps, still feel so smooth on it, compared to regular displays. VRR is such a fantastic feature.... Combined with DLSS I probably could hold out until the 60 series if I really wanted to.
(I have a G-sync "ultra" display with the extra chip or whatever though, so I'm not sure if all the other versions of VRR actually feel as good. I'd imagine they're all game changers regardless, though)
Same, 2080Super and thing is still going strong. Also have R5 3600X. Considering moving to 4080 Super and 5700X3D.
i have the 2080 super and am4 chip Im moving over to a 4070super I got for $500 this week and the a am5 board with a 7800x3d when its on sale asap. I noticed in 4k the card is starting to hold games back, especially on games without dlss, older games I play. and the heat is too much for where I live so the lower TDP was a big goal for gpu and cpu.
I’d get a 7900gre or 7900xt maybe a 7900xtx. Best bang for the buck on the high mid to high end. The 4080 and 4090 and even the 3080 are bad values. The 4070 super maybe the 4070ti super is okay if you NEED a 40 series Nvidia
@@justacollegestudent5147 I don't even think my monitor supports standard vrr though. I have just always owned Nvidia (where EVGA was my preferred brand, so I don't even know what manufacturer I wanna go with either (leaning ASUS)), but it might just be more headache switching than it's worth for me
I have a 4070ti build with the 7800x3d and i love it. I really like this channel to see how the ps5 and xbox can stand up against the pc.
Converted that's a 1730$ combo equivalent here, console are " only " 596$ there is nothing to compare
@6 Yeah there is, 7800X3D and 4070 Ti beats a PS5 big time and a console is nothing but a gaming machine with a locked down ecosystem that will milk you dry over time (paid multiplayer, paid cloud saves, expensive games, no mod support and more), where you can do whatever you want on a PC. No comparison, you are correct.
They cant
@@Dr.WhetFarts A PC to work with you mean ? That's called a Mac 🤣
@@fabrb26you are broke. Anyone that can afford a PC can buy a console no problem if they want one
PC Optimised setting and PS5 vs GPUs are my favorite. Looking forward to PS5 pro (or xbox if turns out to be more powerful). These videos provides insight on GPU buying decision esp since new consoles tend to be released every 3-4yrs (PC GPU gens are every 2-3yrs).
Uh. New consoles are every 6-7 years
@@mitsuhh He's including the mid-cycle refresh (aka Pro versions). If I were still a console gamer I'd be pissed my console is replaced even before its lifecycle is over.
There was only ever 1 Pro version. PS5 Pro may be coming. There is no Xbox Pro coming.@@TheLongWind
The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as the 6800 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console.
This aged like milk
Can you do something similar with a previous gen console and the GPUs released during that time. The performance increase from the 2060,3060, and 4060 still really lack luster. Has it always been this way or has progress pretty much come to a halt?
I can't believe a PS5 can keep up with a 3060/4060 - that is absolutely amazing. Those things are 15 TFLOPS and the PS5 is only 10ish. Incredible what difference a fixed platform can make. My PS5 has been gathering dust for 2 years since I got a PC and assumed the PS5 was ancient performance - but actually its still low tier current PC; which aint bad for a 3 year old console.
Those GPUs are weak af.
Consoles are all highly optimized as well. You won’t find that on PC.
TFLOPS mean little to nothing the only people who bring up TFLOPS are console marketing teams and console fanboys who don't know what they are talking about
@@mmremugamesmm consoles are not highly optimized at all games these days are super unoptimized if games were fully optimized we could see 2-3X more performance easily
@@AzaiaMonota I don’t think you see performance that far ahead, but you know I don’t know for sure. But I’m more talking about Sony first party games
Rtx 40 series Frame Generation chilling at corner 😅
Had my 2070 super since 2019 and it's by far one of the best investments I've ever made. WORKHORSE!!!
Oh my... Impressive and informative as always
how do you measure fps on ps?
Does the 3060 perform better in cyberpunk if you use dlss instead of fsr 2?
Ps5 is better
Yes and he didn't even use fsr so....
@hogman3543 is a moron.
yes
Difference between FSR and DLSS in terms of performance is often margin of error
@@SolarErazer nope its not😭
The 4060 is such a rip off. Barely above a 3060.
But it has Frame Generation...
@@joseijoseii have tired frame generation and it doesn’t feel good
If you have to choose as your first gaming pc rtx 4060 is a solid choice
Wasn't the 4060 tested with 1440p?
I'm sure if it was 1080p it would be alot better
The PS5 is 400 dollars. What a value
No games tho.
@@XSphynxForEvilX *exclusive games. its still an incredible value
I have a gaming pc, a steam deck, and a PS5. There are plenty of PS5 games If I'm only counting "exclusives" then I effectively have no current gen games on PC, either. For 400 dollars I have access to an absolutely fantastic library on PS5. I buy most of my games if I can on PC because of the steam deck, but most of these games are available on PS5 and run just as well as my gaming PC, which has a 3060 in it. @@XSphynxForEvilX
@@XSphynxForEvilXi don't even have a ps5 and yet i'm tired of this meme
@@daytheone8459best value for this gen is a series S + game pass
unless you really want to play some ps4 games
big issue people seem to forget is that ps5 is locked to 30/60 and you cant change shit urself while a pc is unlocked and you can get very high fps and tweak anything.
I have purchased many games solely on implementation of new graphics techniques, i.e. ray tracing, DLSS, remasters and such...that Avatar game looks amazing but the movies suck imo and I just cant bring myself to spend $70. I'm sure it will go on sale at some point...I'd easily give $30 for it. lol Nice video, guys. It is especially relevant because I happen to have the PS5 and an older RTX2060 gaming pc, which I thought I broke so last year I purchased a PC with a 4070; its great to see how these compare. I must say, I thought the 2060 was great until the most recent round of games, like Robocop and Alan Wake 2 came out, that really does push the limits of an RTX2060. Heck they push the limits of the 4070 as well.
The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as the 6800 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console
Imagine you buy Pc for over 3000$ and after 2 years its worth less than 2000$
You buy Console for 450 and after 4 years its still 409.
My PS5 hasn't depreciated at all with the costs in Canada compared to when I bought Day 1 lol. My 7900xt has depreciated heavily since I bought day one.
@kamalaharry9514 Dude what are you talking about?
Xbox X has better performance than 3060.
PS5Pro will be close to 4060ti+
PS6? Probably will be 3x faster than your 3060.
Seems 2020 me nailed it pretty close. My thought was a R5 5600 and 3060ti should hold me over this entire console generation; and built for only a little more than the price of console. Only thing I didn't foresee was the vram being a problem. Still slightly boggling how some 10yr old games have better looking textures using 2GB of VRAM than new games do on low using over 8GB; looking at TLOU1 and Forspoken prepatch.
Have devs moved to uncompressed textures or something? Wish I knew why so much texture data is being utilized these days.
4k textures, son.
File size increases in response to resolution.
You can't have less than 8GBs nowadays, Jack.
It's because they use to do the work to make it fit in as little vram as they could, now though they just want to be lazy and not put in the work to get it to fit in little vram as possable. So in turn we need 2x-3x the amount of vram to fit in the same amount of data, you gotta love it.
well some games aren't super optimized, but you've probably noticed that game file sizes are much larger now so they try to keep as much textures in VRAM as possible to avoid low-res/missing textures on objects and the environment. I also got a 5800X and 3070 in early 2021 but recently upgraded to a 4070 Super due to the VRAM woes. Sold the 3070 for almost $300 so the upgrade wasn't too costly. I would've gone AMD but like DLSS and RT too much
@@nisnast I suspect you're right; just odd since we've had 4096x4096 textures since 2012. I used a texture pack for skyrim ages ago with 4k textures and it didn't kill my vram.
I guess the variety of unique textures has risen? Still think you'd be able to down rez the textures to 1024x1024 so at distance they'd look good but would be worse up close for us poor 8GB plebs :D
@@randysalsman6992 Classic "devs lazy" bullshit argument.
Textures are getting incredible in this gen, and if you want them at that high res, you need VRAM.
Man I'd really appreciate it if you did the same comparisons using a series x as the console used
Xbox is finished buddy they are barley making it
@@SolarErazer Yeah sure pal, meanwhile Microsoft owns all the studios that create your favorite games. Xbox will be till the end buddy
Xboxsx has a little more power but thats just 1-2 fps more than ps5
Why didn't they use Ray reconstruction in cyberpunk, using NVIDIA gpu?
And rx 5700 xt?
RX 5700 xt is identical to the ps5
@@interactive-4x No. RX 6700 is identical
@@lumizzart no one with an rx 6700 plays games at 30fps
It's crazy that for the price of a PS5 you can match a 4060
HI
Any chance to get a real comparison on Geforce Now 4080 tier Vs a Standalone equivalent machine or superior?
Setting Unreal engine 5 games and Cyberpunk for istance...
Thanks!
For years high GPU prices were caused by krypto mining. Now the situation will become even worse with AI driving the demand for VRAM astronomically. I think it's basically over for gamers lol
Might as well wait until Intel gets their sh** together. It's clear that AMD is not up to the task.
WHy you using FSR? When you should use DLSS?
3:21 is the first time in my life when console and most pc have same fps
Also 27fps on ps5
Unplayable to me
Just performance mode
@@raven7988-v5nnah bro 27fps is good you 💀 , have you ever tested gta 4 on ps4 oh man 15 fps
What cpu was used for this video? 3700X ?
the review is very good and very informative and very helpful. thank you very much for sharing this information out.
a follow from here. thank you again for your help and effort in making these videos.
It would be really interesting to see a GTX 1080 Ti in this comparison because I bet that sumgun would be right there with all of these. The teraflops are similar to a PS5. All these years later it's still viable. Amazing. It may even be the reason why they have held up the newer midrange cards *cough cough 4060..them regretting making such a godly GPU and needing to recoup what they lost from so many people using their 1080 Ti's for so long. I hope they didn't sell very many 4060's.
In this market the customers are smart and do research and compare. GPU's are fun to learn about and so people do.
I wonder if the PS5 Pro would be on par if not faster than cards like 3080 or 4070
It will be same as a 4070
@@SolarErazer Oh ok i just upgraded to a 3090 looks like I won’t be needing a pro console.
@@SolarErazerwe dont know anything about a pro version
@@SolarErazer😂you think the ps5 will provide 4070 level performance? That would come at a large price hike.
@kamalaharry9514 bro stop that cringe comments..nobody likes fanboys
This is why I'm the PC player all you got to do is just replace the technology inside your PC and there you go next-gen graphics with no restrictions. The RTX 2070 makes the games look even more amazing to play games on P.C.
Ehh
Sometimes you need to replace your motherboard or cpu
Or add ram or your drivers need to be updated
Not always plug and play
Yeah all you do is replace the part that is $400 minimum, no biggie. How much is a console nowadays?
This depends - i have a 2018 build with i7-7700k + rx 580 that got definetly obsolete for games, even if it's perfect for standard PC usage. A new GPU would also mean bottleneck from CPU, lack of PCIe 4.0, resizebale BAR etc etc... meaning i'd need to spend 1000€+ on replacing Mobo + CPU + GPU and maybe even RAM (DDR4 vs DDR5). So to cut it shorts in the end i just basically got a PS5 with 500€.
@@MASJYT4060 is $250
@@MASJYT you get what you pay for. Consoles are good value, although you add in subscriptions and the total cost gets close to a grand after 5 years.
Please can you do Series S vs GTX 1650S and 6500XT ???
This is a great shout.
Why bother? at that low range XSS is going to be better all around. Not to mention the optimization specifically for XSS.
@@x0Fang0x would just be interesting to see get a gauge how those 4gb cards are doing
I did some digging, coz I was making cheap gaming PC for a someone.
Gtx1650 super is going to give you similar fidelity as XSS in CP2077 in 1080p, but you can turn off FSR and get 30-40 FPS, with better crowds settings.
Gtx1660ti is similar to the XSS.
6:04 as if a PS5 can output native 4K in any on of the new games lol, you can easily get 4K30 on the crossgen games like the PS5
Gamers Nexus said the console was like a GTX - GTX 1070 and Richard is ," Its like a high end PC" just like did with Xbox One. Then later he made fun of how bad the console was.
That's why this guy demonstrates the difference for all to see.
how is a 1070 the same if a 2070 and 4060 are proven as being close to the same ?
None of the gpu's featured here are high end. PS5 may have compared to high end 4 years ago, but that time has passed
Gamers Nexus tested with games that barely used the PS5 hardware at all
Gamers nexus is not exactly a liable source lol.
@@gamingedition5165 Gamers Nexus is the gold standard.
DF is bargain bin because they have to pander to their largest audience, console peasants.
While desktops are great for upgrading, I'm curious how some of the SFF NUC like machines would fare for comparison.
If a 4070 laptop is akin to a 4060 desktop, and a 4060 desktop is slightly above a PS5, perhaps even a 4060 laptop NUC-like would give the consoles a run for their money in terms of size, power usage, and heat generation. We'll have to see what price point those end up with.
Interesting times!
The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as the 6800 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console
In games of course 4060 laptop will be worse.
Ray tracing, whether console or PC, is in my opinion the same as DLSS and FSR etc. and everything over 1080P as well
Raytracing is the same as dlss and fsr? What?
@@michubern1444 That was the Google translator who wrote nonsense. I actually wrote the DLSS, FG, FSR and what all the other functions are called and ray tracing is always deactivated for me, regardless of whether it's a console or PC, the same as 2K and 4K resolution, which I even like AI functions It doesn't matter whether CatGPT or voice assistants or other AI functions
@@GamerSpielerGermany well you are going to have a hard time in the future ;)
@@michubern1444 ne If I don't want to use this function, I will simply deactivate it or if I have to activate it from the manufacturer, so ray tracing I will only use the software solution on the lowest setting and if a game can no longer support 1080P then I will add it using a custom function Also, I can't use ray tracing anyway because I deactivated it on my 4070 using Nvidia Inspector or every game that supports ray tracing either only shows the software solution or the option is there like in a game that I have when I turn on hardware ray tracing ON but it has no effect on the optics as it is set to deactivated in the driver and I don't see any optical difference between 1080P and 4K, which is why I don't use 4K and because it requires too much performance on the PCs, performance is more important to me I have 60 FPS and I no longer care how much I put into the quality
@@GamerSpielerGermany why would you get a 4070 then ...a 1080ti would have been enough for you ;)
What settings are you using for the pc?
You notice how he never tells and that’s when the ps5 gets smoked. Pc gaming can easily do 120fps if you select the right settings
The more recent is the game, the more ps5 get lower performance vs Rtx 4060. The two best example is avatar using New tech from Ubisoft engine and Alan wake 2 using mesh shader wich we already know is not fully utilized on PC
I like the Ps5 because you pay $500 and your done and ready to play .
The $300 cards still need a lot more computer parts to buy before it can play a game .
PC gaming is a premium experience, and worth the money.
A PC might cost more upfront, but when you want to upgrade your hardware in a few years, you've already saved money by having all of the parts. You only need to buy a new $300 graphics card, whereas Sony is going to charge you at least $600 for the PS5 Pro, and probably $700 for the PS6.
A good PC is just a ship of Theseus, where you only upgrade the parts that need to be upgraded, saving you a lot of money in the long run.
You pay 500 dollars, then you get milked every month for cloud saves and multiplayer on top. While overpaying for games and accesories
@@Dr.WhetFarts I do not pay a penny to Sony . Only if I buy a digital game from PS store because it is 70% off.
I only play offline single player games and There is no charge from sony for the digital games they save for you after purchase .
My games come from pawnshop used game disc bargain bins .
I just bought Jedi Survivor and Horizon Forbidden West for $12 each .
@@tylerhill40lol no
Great analysis. Would love to see a RX5700XT in a later comparison. I feel like that card doesn't get enough love.
Agree but also use fsr2 with the 5700xt as it is ALWAYS used on console and cannot be turned off. To show them without it and say its pretty close is so ignorant.
Would the rtx 4070 60w in a laptop beat the xbox series x?
lol I am still on 1080ti, I bet I get 10 MORE years out of it. Games really have not changed much since Xbox 360…
Complimented by my series x and yeah gaming will be just fine for at least the rest of the generation.
That's ridiculous bro, you clearly haven't played in any 7th gen console for quite a while, they look absolute trash, GTA V being an open-world game that still holds up today is very much trash on the PS3 with horrible graphics and frame-rate, I've had a PS3 for a year in 2019.RDR runs even worse. Your 1080Ti may hold up because it's just that much of a beast, and it's on a similar level to the 9th-gen consoles. However don't expect to play games on High or even Medium settings in the future unless it's 1080p with FSR.
RDR2 alone is light-years ahead on the PS4 compared to RDR on the PS3, let alone the PS5, imagine actually thinking GTA V on the PS3 is going to be anywhere near GTA VI on the PS5 😂😂😂😂😂
Gtx10xx does not have mesh shaders, you are at ~80% of rtx4060 when they are used, but games are patched to work around them. Without patch it is worse than gtx1660ti probably.
But yeah, it is still similar to PS5 performance.
With $300 I sure hope I can at least match a 3 year old PS5
Just about, still 4060 and 7600 should have been either faster or with 16 gb at $300
Your statement is true but the messed up thing is 2070 cost $500 a few years ago at the same time the PS5 cost $500. Today you can get the same performance for $300 but if you check the price of a PS5 it's still $500 which is crazy. No price reduction at all
@@LimitGTX Because Sony was selling PS5 at loss in 2020 when now they make some money. Still it's an entire system not just GPU. Nvidia still more greedy than Sony ever was
@@LimitGTXThat's what we call a quality product, That PS5 that is.
ps5 launched around the same time as the 30 series, 2070 is two years older@@LimitGTX
it would be nice to see the same with the series X aswell, it wont be much difference but maybe a 2080 or so would be needed.
2080/2080S
I think 3060 would be fair, or the 3060Ti according to Jan 2024 steam survey #1 annd #6 most popular GPUs. THe comparison videos and optimized settings would be more useful and anyways PC gamers are sitting closer to monitor so no need to compare 4k to 4k upscale , just 1440p w dlssq or 1080p native or dlaa
Agreed. They always say resolution isn’t the best all end all. On a monitor at 1440 or 1080 with ultra and max settings will look and perform better than consoles medium settings and dynamic res and upscaling.
deja vu?.... wasn't the last video almost identical?
We now have the hardware power we wanted but the games getting worse and worse...its so frustrating
If you're going to get Alex to replace his testing setup with 2 gpus, why not make one of them AMD? Replacing the 2070S with a 3060 and 4060 seems a bit odd.
AMD only has 10% of the GPU market, they're trying to cater the mainstream test setup to GPU's that are popular, the 3060 is the most popular in the world and the 4060 is its successor that people will probably be looking at. They're not really a hardcore hardware channel anyway, usually focusing on a high end and a mainstream build when testing performance.
@rke3655Yeah, but I still feel like doing an AMD test would be helpful because it gives a clearer picture of how good a PC port the game is. Also, they've never had issues before testing Nvidia and AMD in games. Like the UE5 Matrix test, or other titles.
The 3060 uses less electricity and has 4gb more vram. It is slower. The 4060 has the latest features and uses the least amount of electricity. Anyone using any of these cards now may not be gaming enthusiasts or it's a card on a secondary pc, home theater etc. Nvidia does have 80%+ of the video card market right now.
my 4060ti has 16gb of vram which i also use for locally run AI models@@JamesSmith-sw3nk
Love these videos. Didn’t watch yet but here’s hoping they mention the 3060ti since that’s what I got! Lol
The 3060 ti is around 20% faster as the standard 3060
It's wild that the most popular card on steam is a 3060 which is kinda like a PS5
The 2070 super to me is what the PS5 should actually be compared to than the 6700.
Why did he say this about the GPU in the beginning? "Now this is a interesting piece of shit".
PS5 is strong in RT because the BVH is in shared memory so there's no traversal bottlenecks like PC has into system ram.
Remember kids, 2560x1440 is QHD, not 2K. Calling it 2K wouldn't even make any sense.
it is quad HD while 4K is quad FHD
4K is four times 1080p. 1440p is exactly 1.78x 1080p
@@jongferrolino5492 indeed, who wants to talk about how the priming works? jokes aside, understandable why people call it 2k its just rounded.
If anything:
720p = 1k because of the 1280p horizontal rounded to the closest 1000 or (k)
1080p = 2k because of the 1920p horizontal rounded to the closest 1000 or (k)
1440p = 3k because of the 2560p horizontal rounded to the closest
1000 or (k)
2160p = 4k because of the 3840p horizontal rounded to the closest 1000 or (k)
It’s surprisingly that QHD or 1440p is considered 2k. It makes zero sense!
Life would have been so much easier if they just had 2 resolutions from the start.
Because of the 16:9 ratio the normal HD resolution should have been 1600x900 and the UHD resolution should have been 3200x1800. Nice rounded figures that even the average person on the street could know the difference. Most people I know are not technically and find a choice of just 2 options is much preferred. An ok choice that gets the basics gone and a superior choice if you want premium.
@@wizzenberry *it's
But 2560 is closer to 3000 than 2000... your logic fails straight away.
And if you are going to call 3840 a "4K", then let me ask you, what is half of 4?
2, correct.
And what is half of 3840?
1920, correct.
So if you must call something a 2K for some reason, it's obviously 1920x1080, aka FHD.
So ps5 still holds up against most pcs?
And developers have yet to fully exploit PS5 hardware. Now is when it starts.
@@durrutino no way thats true
Would be nice if you guys turned up the volume on your vids 👍 they're quiter than other videos by a little bit
Why was the 4060 used, and not the 4070??
because a 4070 is a lot more expensive
Cry cope
Because 4070 is expensive and roughly 2x faster. It won't be fair to put that card here in this specific cordon.
@@Ragssssss 4070 struggles same thing 😅
@@SolarErazer it doesn't
There ain't no way this is this is accurate no Way
what processor on pc ?
Probably ryzen 5 7600x or i5 14400f, idk i just guessed it
@@raze_sky4800S which is a Xbox SX APU with the GPU disable
Proud 2080 s hold out here. No wonder nvidias stock prices are dropping…
I have a 2060 super, and it looks and plays way better than the ps5 version, so make that more sense?
Are you OK the video shows PS5 performance better then A rtx 4060 how can you cheap and old 2060 compare 😂
@@SolarErazerin some games the rtx4060 performed better 😂 don't cherrypick
What is this thumbnail? Has rich joined the sith? 💀
Interestingly, leaks also point to the PS5 Pro offering roughly 2.5x better performance in the GPU department over the PS5.
Which... will not happen, but interesting leaks.
@@joseijosei Reliable sources seem to be fairly certain. Most sources now even seem to be honing on the same specs. Nothing is 100% guaranteed. But I'm willing to bet it will come. Especially since they did a PS4 Pro.
@@GalaxyFur When were leaks right about consoles? Like... it literally never happened.
@joseijosei The leaks from these sources have been correct in the past.
@@GalaxyFur Like which one?
2070 super can be had for like 200 usd these days
What is DRS?
Dynamic Resolution Scaling
Drag Reduction System
Happy user of Sapphire GPRO X080 mining version of RX 6700 cost me 150 Euro
how did you get a display output for gaming?
@@garykildall4111 Toggle Hybrid GPU Mode in AM5 board bios helps I Use HDMI on mainboard, previously on AM4 I used Registry patch to get Hybrid mode
With only a few PS5 exclusives available...it makes you think twice to just opt to a 4060 that is faster and can run all AAA titles on 1080p(DLSS3)....BOTW and TOTK is just 720p...BG3 is better played on a PC....I can wait a whole year to play FF7 Rebirth on PC if it will be this years' GOTY.....
Why not comparing PS5 with 8g 4060 in horrizon forbidden west burning shores and other recent crashing 8g GPU titles?
What cpu is in the pc rig?
What game she plays ?
they only need frames !
3 years later and on PC you can pay around $300 for similar performance which is a price drop $500. Yet some how 3 years later the PS5 is still $500 for the same performance.
can get a ps5 $400 without disk,
But of course ps5 has cpu, ram, storage, refrigeration system, constructed case, etc
No, you pay a little less than $600, but around that price, for the full build. You get access to Frame Generation for much higher framerates than the ones in this video, DLSS, which is better than FSR, Nvidia Reflex for lower input latency, better RT performance, access to more games, cheaper prices, no need to pay for online access, etc. It's great, cheaper, 100% worth it and all, but it's not $300 on front.
Sure, when you take into consideration that you need a computer, but you don't need a console, then we can talk about saving some extra money, but you get the point. It's not $300.
@@joseijosei But whu absolute majority play on consoles. May be because overall they much more effective than any pc config?
@@борисрябушкин-з9н Are you crazy, or did someone lie to you? The vast majority of gamers don't play on consoles. The number of gamers who play on current gen consoles, and Switch, is not significant in comparison to the number of gamers who play on PC. We are talking about close to 2 billion PC gamers. You can't compare that to the numbers of people who play on consoles.
My buyers remorse on my 3060 ti build seems to have good ground. I thought my PS5 and 3060ti rig are so similar they should be dating. What a hu$tle PC gaming hardware has become.
Its kinda sad. So many people are going to get priced out of PC gaming because it got too expensive.
@@kevincampbell989 I'm already seeing it happen. Folks are wise to it outside of youtube tech channels land.
A 3060 Ti slaps PS5 around, especially when you enable DLSS and PS5 uses dynamic res and upscaling in most games anyway as well.
@@Dr.WhetFarts You have to point to what looks better to folks lol. That's not ahead tech. Especially considering the PS5's full potential hasn't even been touched yet.
@@kevincampbell989 this is why i might switch to cloud gaming, no expensive hardware required
Shame you didn't talk about Frame Generation in this video, but you already said more than enough before, so I get it.
Frame Gen is a marketing scam, at least how Nvidia and AMD do it. They are making a fake frame to go between 2 frames that have already been calculated.
What we need is Asynchronous Timewarp / Asynchronous Reprojection like they use in VR. It improves response time without extra frames. Intel released a paper/patent on a frame gen technique several months ago (think it was frame extrapolation or something) that sounds more like that.
Unfortunately intel is M.I.A. with Battlemage and will prob be irrelevant by the time it comes out.
@@NoSpamForYou You have to be crazy to think it's a scam. It's my favorite thing about new gen hardware, and it's fixing so many issues in so many games (from stutters, to bad frametimes and bad or high CPU usage). Nvidia Reflex already improves response time without extra frames, so response time is not what you want from Frame Generation. It just gives you a higher framerate. It's not a "marketing scam", because with Frame Generation + Nvidia Reflex you're at a much better place than without it, and it does exactly what it says it does.
Actually, Frame Generation is what we want for VR, because it's working great. It just uses AI to generate frames, and they look just like the ones you get from rasterization.
@@joseijosei It literally increases lag to make the game LOOK smoother. Your inputs lag behind the visuals. You cannot play any competitive real time game with Frame Gen as AMD and Nvidia do it.
Search youtube for 'Asynchronous Reprojection' demo. The visuals are blocky flat shaded rectangles, but people were fooled into thinking 30fps was 120-240fps.
This technique is already being used in VR, they need to bring it to desktop. Basically a quick and dirty morphed/skewed frame to blur between the last calculated frame and the new true frame based on input.
Add AI cores to Async Reprojection (aka Timewarp) and you have real frame gen that improves the smoothness and response time.
@Mr7digit I can't agree with that, at least at this point. Not only I did test this like a month ago, using PureDark's mod to give me "fake CPU load" and see how it would perform with around 35 fps, and it felt normal, but also, a couple days ago they (the guys from Digital Foundry) answered the "how many fps for FG" question in the clips channel. The video is easy to find, because it is pretty recent. Alex said that you're good with 40 fps, and I can agree with that. 60 fps is better, but not needed. Unless you are using the very first few FG implementations we had in games like Spiderman, like a year ago, and you're using very old drivers, I don't see the reason why you would feel like FG is only good if you already have 60 fps.
When it comes down to artifacts, at that point you can no longer notice them. Like, to you give you an idea, when you compare it to a console, even DLSS + Frame Generation with 40 fps baseline has way less artifacts than a PS5 running a game with FSR 2. Thanks to Nvidia Reflex, you end up with less input latency than the one you originally had, altho turning on DLSS reduces the input latency by more or less the same amount of ms Frame Generation gives you, so Nvidia Reflex is the cherry on top that makes it feel closer to "real 80 fps", because having 80 fps with 40 fps latency is something you may be able to feel with a mouse.
The FSR3 mods do have a lot more problems, but... they're good enough to be used and improve someone's experience. It is nice to have them. I wouldn't consider those a scam either. I know a few people with older GPUs who do love those mods, but I didn't try them yet. I didn't experience ghosting with Nvidia's FG, o maybe I will with that one.
@Mr7digit If the resolution of your monitor is 1080p and you have 144hz or more, sure. Otherwise, if you have something like a 1440p 60hz (very common for a monitor, but not as much as 1080p), or 4k 60hz panel (very common for a smart TV), DLSS Quality, when your pixel count is high enough, like in those cases, looks great, sometimes even better than native resolution, unless the game supports DLAA or you're using a DLAA mod, and you are not going to see more fps after 60 fps, because you have 60hz, so pushing for more than 80 fps would be a waste of time, unless you want to improve the input latency, which I would understand if we were talking about a competitive shooter, but if it is a single player game... are you ScreaM or something? With Nvidia Reflex, it would already be lower than consoles running a game at 60 fps with that same internal resolution. I understand why people would rather improve the visuals before that, and actually, Alex recommends the same thing for Cyberpunk, to experience Path Tracing, and he is very peaky.
I almost forgot that another reason to use DLSS would be the DLDSR + DLSS combo, because it looks great, and much better than native, so... I don't know if I wouldn't use DLSS when I have the option to.
My old rtx 2080 ti from 2018 was already more powerful than PS5/SeriesX .
I love videos like these, makes my 3060 TI seem high tier haha.
what do you mean a 3060 ti is a less power-efficient 4060 with worse performance than the 4060 the base 3060 has more vram too
@@jaderey467 Darn, I should have waited 4 years for the 4060. I could have twiddled my thumbs instead of playing at 1440p on every game. And stop with the 3060 non-sense, it's worse than the 3060ti.
nah the 3060ti is trash in 1440p a 3060 12gb can prefrom better. if it supposed to be better how can the worse card outprefremorn it
@elliem2563
whats tests dawg the 3060ti runs out of ram in like every game at 1440p and runs worse @@TheLongWind
lol the 3060 ti even gets out paced by a 1080ti@elliem2563
games are more optimize for consoles its nothing to do with hardware at this point
So are all these expensive cards actually similar to the ps5? I was under the impression pc was much better than this... Looks like Ps5 pro for me now
depends on how much u want to spend.
ps5 is around mid range 2018 gpu performance. new mid range gpus have been bad upgrades. depending on how NVIDIA 5000 goes ps5 pro might be better value
It's amazing how the Xbox is dead and buried! Most DF videos are PS5 vs something, they never compare anything vs Xbox Series X LOL they just bought the Series X with the PS5 itself
Nice bait
They just ignore a few things because we don't have to see it. Is Frame Generation dead? No, and it's something the 4060 has, so why aren't we seeing that to see how a 4060 can be much better than a PS5? Because the video is about rasterization performance. The PS5 can't do Frame Generation.
Most people understand that a PS5 benchmark is enough for a console vs PC comparison, so they can save time by showing us its performance.
I’ve got a series x but I’d do the same if I was DF. A lot more ps5 owners so I bet these videos get more views than Xbox. Videos.
I wouldn't PC game if I couldn't afford top end. Luckily I can and thus I get an experience unmatched by any console
Why not? I would rather play pc even if my hardware was slightly weaker than the ps5.
I would rather have a $600 4060 build, with access to frame generation, than all the consoles combined.
@@colemin2I wouldn’t
@@joseijose gen still sucks dude
About what i expected tbh although 4060 looking slightly worse.
Those Nvidia guys control everything through those drivers ! , keep harrassing them guys , they will release drivers wich will unlock the true potential of 40 series
The 4060 is so disappointing.
Is Richard sick? Doesn't look good in the thumbnail
😂
Abbiamo confrontato una GPU Console di gioco: 16GB VRAM Playstation 5 GPU e una GPU Piattaforma desktop: 8GB VRAM GeForce RTX 4060 per vedere quale GPU ha migliori prestazioni nelle specifiche chiave, nei test benchmark, nel consumo energetico, ecc.
Principali differenze
AMD Playstation 5 GPU Vantaggi
Più VRAM (16GB vs 8GB)
Banda VRAM più elevata (448.0GB/s vs 272.0GB/s)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Vantaggi
Rilasciato 8 mesi in ritardo
Boost Clock2460MHz
768 core di rendering aggiuntivi
Potenza termica inferiore (115W vs 180W)
Punteggio
Benchmark
FP32 (virgola mobile)
Playstation 5 GPU
10.29 TFLOPS
GeForce RTX 4060 +46%
15.11 TFLOPS
Blender
Playstation 5 GPU
990
GeForce RTX 4060 +239%
3363
Playstation 5 GPU
VS
GeForce RTX 4060
Scheda grafica
set 2022
Data di rilascio
mag 2023
Console GPU
Generazione
GeForce 40
Console di gioco
Tipo
Desktop
Interfaccia bus
PCIe 4.0 x8
Velocità di clock
Clock base
1830 MHz
0
Boost Clock
2460 MHz
1750 MHz
Clock memoria
2125 MHz
Memoria
16GB
Dimensione memoria
8GB
GDDR6
Tipo di memoria
GDDR6
256bit
Bus memoria
128bit
448.0GB/s
Larghezza di banda
272.0GB/s
Configurazione del rendering
36
Unità di calcolo
-
Conteggio SM
24
2304
Unità di ombreggiatura
3072
144
TMUs
96
64
ROPs
48
Core Tensor
96
Core RT
24
Cache L1
128 KB (per SM)
4 MB
Cache L2
24 MB
-
-
-
ps5 :
142.9 GPixel/sTasso di pixel
321.6 GTexel/s
Tasso di texture
20.58 TFLOPS
FP16 (metà)
10.29 TFLOPS
FP32 (float)
643.1 GFLOPS
FP64 (doppio)
448.0GB/s
Larghezza di banda
256bit
Bus memoria
4060:
Tasso di pixel
118.1 GPixel/s
Tasso di texture
236.2 GTexel/s
FP16 (metà)
15.11 TFLOPS
FP32 (float)
15.11 TFLOPS
FP64 (doppio)
236.2 GFLOPS
Larghezza di banda
272.0GB/s
Bus memoria
128bit
secondo me che ho unrog16 i7 con 4060 8 ram della gpu e 16 ddr6 del pc, cmq ha difficoltà ha farmi girare fortnite con unreal engine tutto ad epico con lumen e tutto ..se collegata alla mia tv NEOQLED 8K 900C 144HRZ ma na bomba a 57 58 fps ..pero si vede che hapoco busram e ram e bus memoria perche con ps5 vedi piu dettagli da lontano e fort gira perfettamente a 60 e anche maggiori dettagli dato che elabora piu pixel al secondo e piu texture .. quindi dipende. per giocare a 1440p 4060 e meglio e si vede meglio ma e un po limitata anche con la ram normale da 8 .. e ps5 sembra andar meglio su altre cose speficiche bus memoria, ram e pixel e texture per secondo .. la 4060 e pero piu veloce. non l avete spiegata tutta .. la console ps5 ha dei vantaggi custom nn da poco .. dove la 4060 se pur più tecnologica fs un po da cono di bottiglia.. meno pixel meno texture per s e meno bus ram e bit.
Video's like this convince me to wait till at least RDNA4.
High end rdna4 rumored to not exist
@@joeykeilholz925 only interested in mid.
rather have stable 120 fps in a game than maxing out the graphics and barely being able to hold 30 fps, i think this video has gotta be sponsored by sony or something cause PC can do so much better than a ps5.
All the GPUs he tested are either around the PS5 or worse
These videos are nonsense!!! You don't know which settings ps5 has, and you set gpus on high!
They are just giving ammo for useless comment wars about tech. This channel is for chumps I think
Yeah i pointed out some flaws in his video yesterday with 6700vsPS5 and i used time stamps from his video to prove they're nothing alike now there's only 1 game comparison where it's sped up to where you can't notice any difference because it's going so fast. lol Got all the console boys in here going "Yeah tell me how good my console is Daddy, AWH YEAH!!!" lmao
@@whatif8741 cry
@@marcoslightspeed5517 bro lmao 🤣 😂 of laughter yeah I will
Isn't the 3060 more powerful than PS5? I'm so confused.
if i wasn't wrong, it was the ti version that was stronger than it
@@mohmmad_170 I remember during an Nvidia key note, they claimed the 3060 would be over 30% faster than the flagship consoles, that's obviously not true. These companies never stop lying to us, their customers. It's pretty sad honestly.
@@ReptilianRichardRamirez Consoles age better than PC hardware.
They are not lying 😂, I play most of the games on ultra @ 3400x1440 with my 12 gb rtx 3060 paired with ryzen 7 3800x , ps5 run games on medium preset with a weak cpu. If ps5 would run on windows it would get 12 fps lol
@@funkyboy1190 they never bench games without ray tracing on consoles and never well optimize console games and i f they do its a small segment. great example was halo infinite where the game runs better on a xbox than on a 3070.
If I have a 3060ti which of the compared gpus would it be most similar too?
4060
6700 / 4060
3060ти превосходит 3060 на 20%
Wow oh wow. The 4060 gets an average of 5 to 10 frame rate better than the PS5 here. So not much, barely at all better of a graphics card really. Right now the 4060 is as high as I can go for price, but I already have a PS5 and a Xbox Series X, it seems like the 4060 is about the same barely better than PS5 and Xbox Series X. I hate keyboard and mouse for gaming though, I love controllers only. Seeing as there's barely any different at all I mine as well stay with consoles because I really don't care so much at all about frame rate, as long as it's 30 FPS or better which the consoles do. So overall I'd have to say getting a gaming PC would be a waste of money at this point because I can only afford a pre-built PC with 4060 from Dell/Alienware, Newegg, HP, Asus, Acer, and whatever else. The frame rates like I said I don't care about so much and I love controllers more anyways and consoles are 100% work with controllers vs some games on PC have no controller support and some games like Black Ops 2 require KB and M on the menus, I find it very annoying. So I should just stay with consoles as frame rates I don't care about anyway, I care more about visuals anyway.
I would really like to see the Xbox Series X up against these GPU’s, it has 52CU’s @ 1.8Ghz.
Me too, only I still don't see the 12 Therapostles anywhere. Xbottlenecks X?
I don't understand how the ps5 stands up so well? Isn't it using a cut down de-powered 6700?
PlayStation is optimisation and software
Sony API is more efficient than DirectX.
I'd imagine if PS5 was running windows these tests would look different.
Glad you guys chose 3 nvidia GPUs while only picking 1 AMD gpu.
Amd gpus are shit
@@CriminalGameplay you are aware that the PS5 and Xbox use AMD chipsets? And if you aren’t spending $1800, they aren’t bad.
You're either rich or a fanboy@@CriminalGameplay
I think it's interesting that a 4060, which costs 3/5ths of a ps5(disc version) and launched 2 years after the console, Still loses to it in raster.
Shows how greedy Nvidia is
Because its a piece of trash gpu which should be around 150eur max
It wins in everything except a Plague Tail.
It's stronger than the ps5. Also pc's are not only for gaming you can do so much more stuff.
Where’s the 5700 XT? Those RDNA1 cards are aging horribly. So much for that AMD “Fine Wine🍷” those fanboys speak of
Just like gtx1080ti, they do not have mesh shaders....
I wonder what the PS5 Pro and new Xbox Series GPU will be comparable too. I feel like it will be 3080 performance or 3070ti
Not at all. It will rely on upscaling mostly. Still 16GB shared RAM for entire system.
Expect nothing more than 6800/6800xt performance from PS5 pro
@@gamingedition5165 yeah that’s what I’m thinking that or up to 3080/4070 performance I don’t think it will go past that
The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as the 6800 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console
DLSS makes the comparison irrelevant