This video is slightly different from the videos I usually post on this channel - mostly because it's more about history than math, but I hope that it also delves a fair bit into the history of cryptography as well. As such, I meant it as an experiment to try and see what kind of stuff would make sense to post on this channel. Feel free to reply to this comment with some feedback on how this one was and whether I should continue making videos on less scientific topics such as this one.
Very good video. I want to respond to some points which are quiet interesting: 1)The plant with the big leaf is nymphea alba 2) Every plant page begins with a word which is unique in the whole book and may be the plant's name 3) the Containers in the pharma section could be Microscopes which looked like this those days. Also vessels for plants etc. had often those characteristica. 4) the Zodiac names are not original and where included later, also the page numbers. So this was not the author 5) some people believe to Figure out up to 4 different writing styles and so up to 4 authors
It could be that the person who wrote it had a schizophrenia. They often have visual hallucinations and sometimes they invent new language in their head due to language deficit. According to some literature: language disturbances in schizophrenia are multidimensional. Positive language symptoms include idiosyncratic semantic associations, neologisms and word approximation.
Deciphered by cryptographer William F. Friedman (and his wife) in the 1940s. BUT, it was still not recognizable/readable by (most) academics of the era and wrongfully dismissed. This is where the Bible/Freemason Cipher comes into play. The Author was not governed by normal alphabet, word and sentence structures so he had great freedom to write exactly the Gematria Number sequences he needed. It is an incredible example the the 'Numerical Law of Vibration' on 'Cycles of Mass Human Behavior" and is valuable as a forecasting tool. The illustrations are even easier and support the cycle texts. So, Yes, I have it solved, and published it
Well done good sir! New sub here and eager to learn from your knowledge. I learned about the Voynich Manuscript a decade back and I want to be the one to decipher it!! I think it came from Agartha Hollow Earth
Hi! Thanks for commenting - according to my research, yes, the plant has been identified as a Water Lily (although a slightly deformed one). I also personally subscribe to the theory that the writer was a traveler, but not to North America, since contact with the Americas was first established in the 1490s, so the Voynich precedes it. I believe that the author is likely to have been a traveler to the Far East, which I will discuss further in the sequel to this video.
@@kinertia4238 you do know there was life in the America's before 1490 right? Some of the oldest structures and hieroglyphics are found in the Americas
@@willowgem4573 That's true, but the Voynich was written by a European, not by any citizen of the American Civilizations. In order for the writer to have incorporated a North American plant into the book, they had to have some contact with that part of the world (which began in the 1490s). Since the Voynich predates that, the author could not have cataloged a North American plant. I didn't mention anything about there not being life in the Americas before 1490 - there obviously was, but it's irrelevant since the manuscript is of European origin.
@@kinertia4238 how do you know it is of European origin? The most recent theories I have seen say it could be Egyptian or from middle east but no one knows for sure where.
Hiya, you did a pretty thorough job for such a short video, I'm goodly impressed. When is your next Voynich manuscript video coming out? Oh I have a good suggestion for a video, how about finding the Curve on the globe? If you are a heliocentric you will no longer be. Thank you kindly.
I did not find the presentation very helpful. Rudolph II spent most of his time acquiring gewgaws while everything started to go to pot. If that makes him a fake emperor so be it. What is true enough, not all tribal confederacies were a smashing success. The 'fake' verdict is however used mostly by those who profited from the disarray or catered to the tastes of those who did. Say Voltaire. Phrasing makes a difference. The name Kircher should not be pronounced like 'catcher'. Everyone agrees that there are three possibilities: The manuscript is in cipher. The manuscript is written in a mystery language. The mansucript is a fraud. Cipher: If the manuscript was conceived as textbook then some prospective buyer had to exist. Preferably a whole pool of them. Contrived loophole: teacher's edition. Cipher does not require any special letters (even numbers will do, - or Smarties for that matter). It is pointless to chain two basic substitution codes together (cipher+mystery alphabet). The idea that the whole herbal contained original research which had to be shielded from prying eyes is patently absurd. Most of the subject matter in those books is recycled, possibly with a minor variation on page 94. How cipher was used in the 15th and 16th century. For diplomatic correspondence, which were usually short and to the point. Encoding can be hard work (and that even if you never have to decode it again). Rambling only become fashionable after miracle machines were at hand to do the drudge work. To make priority claims. A sentence incorporating the gist of a discovery was thrown in a virtual paper shredder and the individual letters were then regrouped in a different sense. This was essentially a form of scrabble (in the form of a whole sentence anagram). A Galilei was very fond of these (particularly as long as it made his esteemed colleagues look foolish). Encoding a whole treaty in such way would have been an ordeal. As pig Latin and such in institutes of higher learning to get away with assessments, usually unfavorable, of teachers and other figures of authority. As challenge to fellow code breakers and puzzle freaks. A much shorter text would have sufficed with some clues (say of the 'city-country-river' variety) thrown in as incentive. If a manuscript from the 15th century was enrypted in a cipher which did defy the best wartime cryptologists it would have value of its own, regardless of content. The rare books market apparently does not think so. Rival theory, mystery language (the text is in clear but can no longer be read due to cultural extinction. We hail from the kingdom of Prester John, Atlantis etc): One of the latest proponents of such a theory is Monica Yokubinas. The Voynich Manuscript Deciphered, Last Paragraph in the Book. Gist: the manuscript is written in the Jewish language of the 13th century Turkish Khazars. The thesis may be somewhat Koestler related (The 13th Tribe). Koestler argued that Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants of the Khazars. The given reasons are mainly demographic. The idea is not widely accepted. En par with Lysenkoism. It is conceivable that the shadowy Khazar Empire rejected readily available transcription systems (Greek, proto-Cyrillic, Georgian, Arabic, Latin) as well as commonplace religion for political reasons (as anti-assimilation measure, neither Byzantine nor Roman). More controversial, the tacit assumption that such a conversion entailed the adoption of Hebrew as official language, from yurt to palace. A Hebrew without the distinctive block letters. Koestler for his part assumes that the Hebrew ש became the Cyrillic Ш due to Khazar influence. Random sample: "Exalted brother take advantage of the trembler, united of the forest plants, long live the pond. Preserved beauty for how long unites this forest pond? Every morning take advantage of this preserved, to be smashed. Long life in honor, enter the beauty of a song of joy united in the ponds song of joy united. Take advantage of united purity at that time, and take life of the pond brother as it exists." - First impression: a herbal which expounds a pantheistic credo, Spinoza before its time. This may be unfair but a reading which permits to drop most suspected vowels, let us ignore mere dialect variations (the outback clause), let us filter out all the dross, gives you more leeway with the interpretation. For a rough idea of how a herbal should look like, in presentation and layout: John Gerard, illustrated Herball, or Generall Historie of Plantes, first published in 1597 but based on older works, particularly Flamish and Continental Cruydeboecken. The genre was popular enough during the Renaissance. Star gazing only became the dominant fad in the 17th century. Identification of the shown plants is controversial. Even a poorly written herbal/pharmocopeia should contain references to classical authorities, say Galen, Hippocrates, Pliny the Elder. There is something wrong if these are missing. An Ebay page is an Ebay page whatever the local manifestation. Phonetic alphabets are by their very nature people's alphabets. Usage is rarely confined to a handful of specialists. It is not very likely that a widely used alphabet would vanish without a trace. Not if it was the official language of a 10th century Empire and still had cult followers in the early 15th century. Potshreds, tombstones, tax receipts, business letters, third party references. One could wriggle out of that but it would be contrived. Rongoronko is uncontested, but no island in the Mediterranean did evolve in complete isolation. The manuscript is cut from whole cloth The date of composition, early 15th century, as well as the lack of mark up elements (say gold inlay and illuminated capital letters) makes it unlikely that Rudolph II was targeted as a potential buyer. The draftmanship is also hardly first rate, not quite on Très Riches Heures level. It is conceivable that a minor 'project' got out of hand and wound up at Sotheby's or its Renaissance equivalent by happenstance. Personal estimate: it only became a cipher after the world did run out of unknown scripts. Doujinshi work is unlikely. No discernable cult figure. Anything from a Roger Bacon fan club would have come with a speaking bronze head à la Heron of Alexandria in a prominent place (say as centerfold). The day and age was in no way innocent when it came to scholarly fraud and creative mark ups. Keyword: George Psalmanazar. His samples of Far Eastern liturgy were little more than automatic writing, automatic writing that still looked tantalizing familiar. Imbued with an all prevading spirit. That could explain why basic linguistic detection measures (sanity checks) may fail. Easier to detect, an utterly random fabrication, the encoded pages of a phone book or something akin, dice throws or the readings of a Ouija board.
You should provide references and credit the pioneers who worked hard to conclude many of the themes you mention... sounds as though they were self-discovered. Good work but make it credible by quoting those who need to be quoted.
i can probally decript your cypher.and my fondness of handwriteing annalise and the carbon dateing is correct ,,,,master davinci encrypted that codex,,,,so then look at the [roblem in a mirror a diffrent dimmension.or the balance there of at zero point
If you have to boost your views you will have to predict the trend. Make a coronavirus video and i believe u should get some spotlight But nvm me i dont even run a channel what would i know
This video is slightly different from the videos I usually post on this channel - mostly because it's more about history than math, but I hope that it also delves a fair bit into the history of cryptography as well. As such, I meant it as an experiment to try and see what kind of stuff would make sense to post on this channel. Feel free to reply to this comment with some feedback on how this one was and whether I should continue making videos on less scientific topics such as this one.
Looking forward to future videos on this topic.
Very good video. I want to respond to some points which are quiet interesting:
1)The plant with the big leaf is nymphea alba
2) Every plant page begins with a word which is unique in the whole book and may be the plant's name
3) the Containers in the pharma section could be Microscopes which looked like this those days. Also vessels for plants etc. had often those characteristica.
4) the Zodiac names are not original and where included later, also the page numbers. So this was not the author
5) some people believe to Figure out up to 4 different writing styles and so up to 4 authors
I agree that plant ( with the single leaf ) is an aquatic plant , the stem seems to depict a Nymphea .
Recent studies on the text shows 5 scribes. The Yale Beineke Library has lectures available here on TH-cam.
@@None-gt7cm this is awesome 👍
Lithuanian here, Telšiai, the city voynich was born in is in Lithuania, not in Poland. Great video mate :)
Medical professionals are known for their horrible handwriting but some always take it too far.
Anyways, cool vid. Looking forward to the others!
Awesome vid. Loved the detailed work you put into it!! Good job!
It could be that the person who wrote it had a schizophrenia. They often have visual hallucinations and sometimes they invent new language in their head due to language deficit. According to some literature: language disturbances in schizophrenia are multidimensional. Positive language symptoms include idiosyncratic semantic associations, neologisms and word approximation.
Deciphered by cryptographer William F. Friedman (and his wife) in the 1940s. BUT, it was still not recognizable/readable by (most) academics of the era and wrongfully dismissed. This is where the Bible/Freemason Cipher comes into play. The Author was not governed by normal alphabet, word and sentence structures so he had great freedom to write exactly the Gematria Number sequences he needed. It is an incredible example the the 'Numerical Law of Vibration' on 'Cycles of Mass Human Behavior" and is valuable as a forecasting tool. The illustrations are even easier and support the cycle texts. So, Yes, I have it solved, and published it
Make more videos like this. These videos are really good!
Well done good sir! New sub here and eager to learn from your knowledge. I learned about the Voynich Manuscript a decade back and I want to be the one to decipher it!! I think it came from Agartha Hollow Earth
Nice history vid..Keep it up!
When will Next video come??
the plant that you mention in the minute 3:35, is exactly the same as a plant in North America and exists, perhaps the writer if he was a traveler.
It looks like a lily pad to me :)
Hi! Thanks for commenting - according to my research, yes, the plant has been identified as a Water Lily (although a slightly deformed one). I also personally subscribe to the theory that the writer was a traveler, but not to North America, since contact with the Americas was first established in the 1490s, so the Voynich precedes it. I believe that the author is likely to have been a traveler to the Far East, which I will discuss further in the sequel to this video.
@@kinertia4238 you do know there was life in the America's before 1490 right? Some of the oldest structures and hieroglyphics are found in the Americas
@@willowgem4573 That's true, but the Voynich was written by a European, not by any citizen of the American Civilizations. In order for the writer to have incorporated a North American plant into the book, they had to have some contact with that part of the world (which began in the 1490s). Since the Voynich predates that, the author could not have cataloged a North American plant.
I didn't mention anything about there not being life in the Americas before 1490 - there obviously was, but it's irrelevant since the manuscript is of European origin.
@@kinertia4238 how do you know it is of European origin? The most recent theories I have seen say it could be Egyptian or from middle east but no one knows for sure where.
Hiya, you did a pretty thorough job for such a short video, I'm goodly impressed. When is your next Voynich manuscript video coming out? Oh I have a good suggestion for a video, how about finding the Curve on the globe? If you are a heliocentric you will no longer be. Thank you kindly.
Fun fact: Voynich's father-in-law was......George Boole!
Nice video....👍👍👍👍👍
Great documentary!
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I did not find the presentation very helpful.
Rudolph II spent most of his time acquiring gewgaws while everything started to go to pot. If that makes him a fake emperor so be it. What is true enough, not all tribal confederacies were a smashing success. The 'fake' verdict is however used mostly by those who profited from the disarray or catered to the tastes of those who did. Say Voltaire. Phrasing makes a difference.
The name Kircher should not be pronounced like 'catcher'.
Everyone agrees that there are three possibilities:
The manuscript is in cipher. The manuscript is written in a mystery language. The mansucript is a fraud.
Cipher:
If the manuscript was conceived as textbook then some prospective buyer had to exist. Preferably a whole pool of them. Contrived loophole: teacher's edition.
Cipher does not require any special letters (even numbers will do, - or Smarties for that matter). It is pointless to chain two basic substitution codes together (cipher+mystery alphabet).
The idea that the whole herbal contained original research which had to be shielded from prying eyes is patently absurd. Most of the subject matter in those books is recycled, possibly with a minor variation on page 94.
How cipher was used in the 15th and 16th century.
For diplomatic correspondence, which were usually short and to the point. Encoding can be hard work (and that even if you never have to decode it again). Rambling only become fashionable after miracle machines were at hand to do the drudge work.
To make priority claims. A sentence incorporating the gist of a discovery was thrown in a virtual paper shredder and the individual letters were then regrouped in a different sense. This was essentially a form of scrabble (in the form of a whole sentence anagram). A Galilei was very fond of these (particularly as long as it made his esteemed colleagues look foolish). Encoding a whole treaty in such way would have been an ordeal.
As pig Latin and such in institutes of higher learning to get away with assessments, usually unfavorable, of teachers and other figures of authority.
As challenge to fellow code breakers and puzzle freaks. A much shorter text would have sufficed with some clues (say of the 'city-country-river' variety) thrown in as incentive.
If a manuscript from the 15th century was enrypted in a cipher which did defy the best wartime cryptologists it would have value of its own, regardless of content. The rare books market apparently does not think so.
Rival theory, mystery language (the text is in clear but can no longer be read due to cultural extinction. We hail from the kingdom of Prester John, Atlantis etc):
One of the latest proponents of such a theory is Monica Yokubinas. The Voynich Manuscript Deciphered, Last Paragraph in the Book. Gist: the manuscript is written in the Jewish language of the 13th century Turkish Khazars. The thesis may be somewhat Koestler related (The 13th Tribe). Koestler argued that Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants of the Khazars. The given reasons are mainly demographic. The idea is not widely accepted. En par with Lysenkoism. It is conceivable that the shadowy Khazar Empire rejected readily available transcription systems (Greek, proto-Cyrillic, Georgian, Arabic, Latin) as well as commonplace religion for political reasons (as anti-assimilation measure, neither Byzantine nor Roman). More controversial, the tacit assumption that such a conversion entailed the adoption of Hebrew as official language, from yurt to palace. A Hebrew without the distinctive block letters. Koestler for his part assumes that the Hebrew ש became the Cyrillic Ш due to Khazar influence.
Random sample: "Exalted brother take advantage of the trembler, united of the forest plants, long live the pond. Preserved beauty for how long unites this forest pond? Every morning take advantage of this preserved, to be smashed. Long life in honor, enter the beauty of a song of joy united in the ponds song of joy united. Take advantage of united purity at that time, and take life of the pond brother as it exists." - First impression: a herbal which expounds a pantheistic credo, Spinoza before its time. This may be unfair but a reading which permits to drop most suspected vowels, let us ignore mere dialect variations (the outback clause), let us filter out all the dross, gives you more leeway with the interpretation.
For a rough idea of how a herbal should look like, in presentation and layout: John Gerard, illustrated Herball, or Generall Historie of Plantes, first published in 1597 but based on older works, particularly Flamish and Continental Cruydeboecken. The genre was popular enough during the Renaissance. Star gazing only became the dominant fad in the 17th century. Identification of the shown plants is controversial.
Even a poorly written herbal/pharmocopeia should contain references to classical authorities, say Galen, Hippocrates, Pliny the Elder. There is something wrong if these are missing. An Ebay page is an Ebay page whatever the local manifestation.
Phonetic alphabets are by their very nature people's alphabets. Usage is rarely confined to a handful of specialists. It is not very likely that a widely used alphabet would vanish without a trace. Not if it was the official language of a 10th century Empire and still had cult followers in the early 15th century. Potshreds, tombstones, tax receipts, business letters, third party references. One could wriggle out of that but it would be contrived.
Rongoronko is uncontested, but no island in the Mediterranean did evolve in complete isolation.
The manuscript is cut from whole cloth
The date of composition, early 15th century, as well as the lack of mark up elements (say gold inlay and illuminated capital letters) makes it unlikely that Rudolph II was targeted as a potential buyer. The draftmanship is also hardly first rate, not quite on Très Riches Heures level. It is conceivable that a minor 'project' got out of hand and wound up at Sotheby's or its Renaissance equivalent by happenstance. Personal estimate: it only became a cipher after the world did run out of unknown scripts.
Doujinshi work is unlikely. No discernable cult figure. Anything from a Roger Bacon fan club would have come with a speaking bronze head à la Heron of Alexandria in a prominent place (say as centerfold).
The day and age was in no way innocent when it came to scholarly fraud and creative mark ups. Keyword: George Psalmanazar. His samples of Far Eastern liturgy were little more than automatic writing, automatic writing that still looked tantalizing familiar. Imbued with an all prevading spirit. That could explain why basic linguistic detection measures (sanity checks) may fail. Easier to detect, an utterly random fabrication, the encoded pages of a phone book or something akin, dice throws or the readings of a Ouija board.
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Can you tell me what statute that is of whom on this video at 1:23. I would be most grateful, thank you kindly
Its me :)
If you take a screenshot of it and scan in Google lens i think it might give a result
You should provide references and credit the pioneers who worked hard to conclude many of the themes you mention... sounds as though they were self-discovered. Good work but make it credible by quoting those who need to be quoted.
I have mentioned all my sources in the description box.
i can probally decript your cypher.and my fondness of handwriteing annalise and the carbon dateing is correct ,,,,master davinci encrypted that codex,,,,so then look at the [roblem in a mirror a diffrent dimmension.or the balance there of at zero point
If you have to boost your views you will have to predict the trend. Make a coronavirus video and i believe u should get some spotlight
But nvm me i dont even run a channel what would i know
Nice video btw 👌