Jordan Peterson and Roger Scruton on the Transcendent
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- 'Apprehending the Transcendent'
A conversation between Dr Jordan Peterson and Sir Roger Scruton, moderated by Dr Stephen Blackwood, introduced by Professor Douglas Hedley, presented by The Cambridge Centre for the Study of Platonism and Ralston College, held on November 2nd, 2018 in Cambridge, England.
God I'm so happy that Jordan Peterson got to speak with Roger Scruton before he passed, and that it was recorded.
We are blessed for this
Roger Scruton was such an exceptional man and a kind soul. He's sorely missed.
A truly intelligent man
RIP Roger Scruton, you were one of the greatest conservative and Christian philosophers of our era!
Watching from Brazil. Thank you for this wonderful and inspiring video.
Same :)
cheio de brasileiro aqui
Spain hier....
Bem que algum brasileiro poderia legendar essa belezura!
Same here
Scruton is truly an amazing thinker. His philosophical work is grounded on the reality of ordinary people. Theoretical marxists may have a point in some "things", but they just dont recognise that high culture is a form of knowledge and it cannot be denied to us.
At a time of illness & actual/spiritual midwinter in my life, this conversation and the wonderful souls having it really restores my hope. So do all the thoughtful comments & insights. Thanks to you all.
Okay- the guy introducing them at the beginning HAS to be a time traveler. He seems like he teleported in from the 1700s. I love his style.
Roger Scruton AND Jordan Peterson. I'm saving this one for Christmas.
Wow, lots of Brazilians. Hope you guys are well! Good to see you here.
Brazil is waking up, it's nice to see.
Que satisfação ver a quantidade de brasileiros aqui. Nossa nação pode retomar o caminho da virtude e isso ocorrerá através da cultura.
Um abraço a todos vocês!
Um abraço de Portugal a todos os irmãos brasileiros
Eggg
Dois espíritos excelsos dialogando. Arrebatador!
Este vídeo tem que ser traduzido urgentemente.
Matheus Lopes Mande-o para o tradutores de direita. Acabo de fazê-lo. Esse video tem que chegar no Brasil. Simplesmente sensacional.
@@rodolfomelo7466 Maravilha, Rodolfo! Há partes que não é possível compreender.
RIP Sir Roger. What a wonderful intellect. What a beautiful enlightening soul.
Dear professor Scruton, you should talk to Brazilian professor Olavo de Carvalho. He introduced your work to his fellow countrymen and even done a course about a part of your philosophy (he is respectably critical of some kantian elements in your thought, nonetheless). An encounter as such would generate a positive intellectual tsunami, methinks, for Brazil and for Britain. Cheers!
Gabriel Marini I notice many comments from Brazil. As an Englishman and neighbour of Mr Scruton it is fascinating to see his ideas spreading. I am woefully ignorant where it comes to Brazil but know the hostile reception the new president received in European press. Perhaps you would sum up the political, social and economic situation in Brazil? I appreciate TH-cam is not an ideal platform!
Nelson Mandela A) Culturally, up until 1960´s, Brazil had a normal intellectual field, with intelligent thinkers, poets, writers, musicians and philosophers from both sides of the political spectrum. From 1960 onwards, the gramscian paradigm of space occupation of higher Ed and pop culture took place and, with one same punch, intelligence and the right wing disappeared. Olavo de Carvalho was, to some extent, Brazil´s mixture of Roger Scruton, Allan Bloom, Eric Voegelin, Lionel Trilling and Menken: He analized the patient´s disease (in A nova era e a Revolução cultural, The new age and the Cultural Revolution) philosophized upon this debacle (in O jardim das Aflições, the garden of Afflictions), criticized the intelligentsia´s men, one by one (in O Imbecil Coletivo, the Collective Imbecile), and through his popular writings, organized in a huge best seller, he triggered the cultural counter-revolution that led Jair Bolsonaro´s path to presidency (in O mínimo que você precisa saber para não ser um idiota, The Minimum you should know to avoid being an idiot); B) Politically, since 1988, we were governed by the center-left (the Social Democratic Party, which could be considered as the union of Blairites from the Labor Party with the Liberal Democrats in England) with the PMDB (a sort of EUA´s Democratic Party) and, then, by the Hard left (The Workers Party, that is, in comparative terms, our corbinist faction of your Labor Party and the traditional communists) with the PMDB. Jair Bolsonaro was the first conservative candidate that even participated in our elections, via a small party. He is anti-globalism, pro free trade and pro the development of a safer country. C) Economically, Brazil lost the commodities boom of the 2000´s, as the left did not invested in infrastructure and basically wiped up their asses with “free money” from China´s demand. Corruption went bonkers, and, right now, we are facing a fiscal crisis related to the Pension System.
I think that this is the best I can do for now. Hope it helps!
Cheers!
@@gabrielguitarman I too noticed how many Brazilians commented in this thread. Very interesting. Why do you think that so many Brazilians are drawn to this video? Also, what do you think of Jair Bolsonaro? From what I, a westerner, have heard, there aren't many positive things about him. Now, of course, what I read in the media may well be biased and so I'd like to hear from you, a Brazilian what life under Bolsonaro is like and what you and others think of him.
@@tacdenhaan Dear TAC,
A short answer would be that a lot of Olavo´s readers, due to his influence, are Scruton´s readers also. By themselves, they are also avid followers of professor Peterson´s work. Concerning Bolsonaro, I should say that, comparatively, he´s the Brazilian version of Donald Trump or Nigel Farage. He was, indeed, the only right wing voice in parliamentary politics for more than a decade. Yes, he was more reactionary, and had some military-like misconceptions (Brazilian Military Forces are historically positivists, a French ideology created by Auguste Comte, mixting conservative, progressive and technocratic principles), really said some not so pleasant stuff, but, with time and experience, especially bearing in mind Olavo´s influence, he went to a more traditional liberal-conservative/populist mindset. But I should also say that 98% of what is told by the media is BS. If one was to paint a psychological portrait of Bolsonaro, easily, it would be what we call the “barbecue uncle”, a familiar Brazilian character that is known to have a wide sense of humor, common sense. Communitarian ties without racial prejudices. As his presidency is just stating, I cannot say a lot. But, under the last asminsitrations, since the redemocratization, we lived culturally and economically, to a varying amount of degreed, under leftist and socialist rule. We hope that, at minimum, he can at least restore Brazil´s place in international relations, restore our economy and education and, last not least, reduce the size of the Federal Government.
I should say that Brazil´s culture is Western, also. We are a nation of Catholics, speaking a really special latin tongue, historically brother-like to the USA.
Warm regards!
Thank you very much. All the best to you and Brazil!
Wonderful conversation. I was hoping for this for a long time. Scruton and Peterson are different personalities, and have a very different background. But when they reflect on the huge problems of our time, they see the same problems and they open the same doors to find solutions. They are both bright and articulate. It's a joy to hear them engage in an inspiring conversation. Thank you for sharing this video.
The idea of these two great thinkers coming together was a dream I thought wouldn't be realized. Thank you to the organizers for the resolve to make it happen. Wonderful.
This is what wealth really is; time to think seriously with people who themselves think seriously and express those thoughts beautifully.
Impressionado com a quantidade de brasileiros aqui. Que grata surpresa.
Would be wonderful see Jordan Peterson, Roger Scruton and Olavo de Carvalho in a conversation like this
Seria épico algo assim.
It would be a fruitful conversation!
No, it wouldn't lol
Would be wonderful if we had such good conversations like that in brazilian universities.
Nossa utopia.
Infelizmente os marxistas tomaram conta.
E o nível intelectual continua cada vez mais baixo. Um exemplo é o Safatle que para a esquerda é um intelectual de nível mundial mas que mal consegue debater inglês.
Ei cara, você está montado na razão. Mas, pelo menos nós temos o Olavo de Carvalho, e - com alguma ressalva - o Pondé.
Seria sim.
This is by far one of the most intelligent and enlightening conversations I have ever had the pleasure of listening to. Thank you.
To see and listen to men of such intelligence and articulateness, left me spellbound and hopeful , may there light never go out
Rest in Peace Sir Roger. Thanks for this precious legacy of love for Truth and Beauty.
It's enlightening to observe Jordan Peterson and Roger Scruton articulating their brilliant potent thoughts through verbalization with elucidation of clarity.
Pensava que seria o único do Brasil aqui, feliz surpresa! Scruton e Peterson são as principais referências vivas para mim.
Magnífico! Esses dois poderiam coescrever um livro!
Adorei sua foto!
The best crossover ever!! 😊😀
OMG I'm so excited!!!!!!! My 2 favourite thinkers together!!!!! So so so happy!!!!!!
the interviewer deserves much credit for the success of this conversation
YES! THANK YOU
This conversation, some classic music and the family dinner made my xmas
It's amazing how both Sir Roger Scruton and Jordan Peterson have something unique to bring to each question, in a way that just sort of adds to everything
I am brazilian, I love my country and the british culture!!!
How privileged we are to be able to listen to such. deeply considered aspects of life.
Traditores da Direita tem que traduzir esse cross-over hahaha
Finally two people with common sense. Preach!
Awesome‼️ I’m sad this interview ended.
Two of the most amazing minds on earth! Please, translate e share this video as much as possible.
I periodically come back to this and am always reminded how great it would be to have Roger Scruton still be here. Such a great combo for a conversation.
watching from brazil too!
Brasil precisa urgentemente conhecer esses caras
Thank you for making this.
a good discussion between two men I can respect, so sorely needed today.
the problem with these conversations is often that normal people hide behind complicated words to sound smarter than they are. the real depth is when someone has truly something to say
A light bulb really went on for me when they discussed the "zero-sum" view of the world. Explains SO much. Sir Roger is missed!
SCruton and peterson are treasures. Even Blackwood was great. We need more of him!
Thanks a lot gentlemens.
From France, with admiration.
This simply was not long enough! One of the most enjoyable conversation that I have viewed for a very long time.
A thoroughly absorbing discussion. I'm an admirer of both these gentlemen. I loved the comments by Sir Roger from 17:47 through to 18:50 [edited in the interest of brevity]:
"...the world of scholarship and education that we both belong to has turned, as you say, in this negative direction...try to put back into the subject-matter one's own inherent belief in it, and to recognise that we're not around on this earth for very long and we do have an obligation to find the things that we love and not the things that we reject, and that those things that we love - the best way towards them is to look at the things that other people have loved. That's what a culture is. It's the residue of all the things that people have thought worthwhile to preserve, and teaching that will again reconnect us to what matters."
Truth spoken with supreme elegance!
I don't really get it. The best way towards them is to look at what other people love ? Plain and simply I don't really understand this
A poor country, flooded with corruption and dominated by postmodernists and neo-marxists. Who would have thought that this country lead one of the world's largest conservative movements?
Proud to see so many Brazilians here. Go Brazil!
And come to Brazil Sir. Scruton. We need! We are thirsty for organic intellectuals, because we only have ideologues.
I can't believe how lucky I must be to be watching this right now
It is most heartwarming to listen to this talk and enjoy every word, in the sad knowledge that Sir Roger Scruton died sometime ago, let us spread the word in "groups of three" in doing so we continue his work.
It’s a pleasure and a privilege to listen to the erudite Sir Roger speak. Peterson sounds angry and high-pitched, but has many great insights to share as well. The conversation really takes off around 18:00.
Historically valuable and culturaly important conversation! Greetings from Indonesia to everyone!
Greetings from Brazil!
Love you Sir Roger Scruton & Jordan Peterson. It's good to have such good thinkers to help us build up solid knowledge when nobody wants to help.
My country is ruled by stupid youngsters, after years under leftist influence...
We need to recover from the damage.
Thanks!!! from Perú
Wonderful talk! Greetings from Brazil.
So I finally got here. Late to be sure, but here I am. This is wonderful! So rare to have such a clear exposition of the Transcendental within an academic scholarly setting. Thank you for posting!!!
Such a wonderful conversation. Those are You Tube contents that really catches my attention in which every single second is worth it.Thanks for sharing it with us.
Best regards from Brazil.
Very nice Mr. Scruton , thank you.
Feliz demais em ver inúmeros brasileiros aqui. Tomara que este vídeo maravilhoso seja traduzido e legendado rapidamente para alcançar mais pessoas.
If you have not subscribed please do so in order to help us show Sir Roger that we are 100% supportive of him in the wake of the truly shameful treatment he has received from the UK government.
I walk in gratitude., for that I am grateful.
Inspiring conversation, with real moments of transcendence. I experienced flashes of inspiration, specifically on what I can do personally and I appreciate that, because I have seen the problem for sometime, but have failed to determine what to do next. What I can do is small, we have a neighborhood park that is wanting of attention, I will start there. Thank you gentlemen!
Everything we do has a ripple affect including our thoughts. Enjoy your good neighbourhood garden.
And as Jordan talks about diners being much more complex than just a place for sustenance so your garden park can metamorphis into something even grander just look for the signs, good luck!
Brazil
A transcendently wonderful discussion
Great conversation!
I'd love to watch a debate like that featuring Sir Scruton and Professor Edward Feser
Absolutely
It’s such a tragedy that today we have to have such people talking in a sophisticated way about common sense ideas that have been around for centuries.
Just brilliant, thank you!
Roger Scruton. A voice of sanity and wisdom.. Much missed.
January, 2021. Watching from Brasil and very happy to find out on YT that excellent debate.
Truth, beauty and goodness. I'm in.
It is clearly true that some of those who do not, as Peterson puts it, “manifest what they could in the world”, become embittered, and so put their relative failure down to power dynamics. But it surely must also be true that those who do well, may prefer to attribute their success as being simply due to their own effort, thus understating the effect of power imbalances. To acknowledge that these dynamics exist is to accept that you r success may be due in no small part to luck. My view of the fundamental difference between left and right is an overstatement of systemic influences on one side and their understatement on the other.
Children reading and listening to fairy tales, Bible stories, and good fiction intuitively compile and amalgamate these lives and souls and imitate these life lessons.
Excelente!
Thank you!
“Recognizing their need for law and order and taking pleasure in it.” Yes!
Boundaries and categories are artifacts of our attempts to compartmentalise and understand the human experience of reality.
The transcendent is the whole; beyond the experience of reality.
Alguém traduz, precisamos compartilhar!!
Barcarena/ Pará Brazil.
A conversation capturing your mind in thought. Truly a piece to broaden oneselfs horizon to the trancendent. RIP Roger Scruton
Classic!! :) Thank you! :)
That was excellent.
make gratitude cool again.
Bravo, gentlemen.
Thrilling
Would be great if Peterson let Scruton talk once in a while.
He did.
???
You know what, I would like to see this exact same conversation, but with Olavo in it
What's transcendent is more real than the reality you perceive.
Microscopic trivialization vs macroscopic trivialization
Examples of the former is critical theory; the latter, scientific/material nihilism
I'm waiting for this: Sir Scruton - Fabrice Hadjadj conversation.
From the topic "transcendent" to transcending conversation.
Show me a deeper conversation!!
Vídeo incrível.
Please, can someone help me identify the composer and name of the piece of music that accompanies the opening credits?
Peterson with sir. Scruton. Peeew....man, people are overhyping Peterson. Scruton is 3 heads above him.
moveaxebx all though you are right, I still love peterson and love his bible lectures. He’s important to many including myself and its fun to see these two together.
moveaxebx I think Peterson himself acknowledges this.
I disagree.
They’re essentially agreeing with each other.
Peterson is explaining his findings and hypotheses and Scruton is agreeing.
RIP 🌹
Yes.
Peterson com toda sua sabedoria, falha sempre por sempre falar demais.
22:30-25:30
Attraction of claim: " hierarchies are based on power."
Brazil!