15 Minutes on How To Be A German Gunner [Bf 110 Edition]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- Want a crash course in being a Gunner/Observer in a German Bf 110? Well, here is the rundown of all the things you need to know in your new working space.
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Armand Van Ishoven, Messerschmitt Bf 110 at War;
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that music,... it's Luftwaffe NOT Loungewaffel
What do you except from pilots that fly with suit and tie?
an officer and a gentleman
riiiiiight....
In Germany we say:
Then men of the Heer.
The sailors of the Marine.
The gentlemen of the Luftwaffe.
There is a reason for that I assure you.
der Cr0Dan, how could you miss so many indications which game that is? Even Bismarck mentioned it at the beginning. How is that possible?
Sheriff, that's called "skillz". :D
1) Open canopy
2) Throw away MG
3) Stand up
4) Unleash flamethrower
5) Apply sunglasses
Just my humble opinion/addition following on to the above bit of wisdom and 😎good advice😎 (Yup, sunglasses an absolute must!) I was thinking that you would need the "Mother of ALL Flamethrowers..... 😳😵!! .....considering that you would be standing up in a machine howling along at 300+ miles per hour doing all kinds of insane doodles across the sky since Fat Herman demanded it be a Fighter (Ohh but I get your point Von Neely....😁🙃!), Man.....your balls would not only instinctively climb back into your body as expected.....but...they wouldn't stop till they reached your throat 🤓!! "Natcherly" as a "Flamethrower-man" in good standing with most of your own skin still attached to your body I would imagine that you , like your ancestral potential battlefield "Ronsons" before you understand the mantra; With the wind goood......against the wind BAAAADD (GRIN)!!?!
Bermuda Tim: The rear gunner always has the wind behind him.
+VonNeely -- Michel Bay needs to see this post!
6) ?
7) Profit
Alternatively,
1)Open canopy
2)Draw your pistol
3)Curse
4)Fire a warning shot
5)Curse again
6)Shoot for real
7)Holster your pistol
8)Close canopy
So I see you are sick of me repeatedly asking "What does this do!" while in a dog fight.
Probably more the part where you shoot your own tail off
Hahaha, well if you forgot "Don't. Shoot. The bombs"
Bo Time Gaming lol don't say that bo
Hi bo
Ze bombs*
Recycling bins for ammo drums. Because ve have to take care of Mutter Erde, ja?
Mutter Erde ist unser Lebensraum. Alles von ihr.
I would be throwing them at the enemy plane when out of ammo aiming for the prop lol
recycling lies in our genes! :D
I know that you're kidding but I think the real reason is so that the gunner doesn't have to worry about empty ammo drums sliding about in the back of the plane.
Not to mention them FLYING around if the pilot is performing frantic aerobatics to shake a pursuer.
There is an amazing book in Swedish on the bf110 written by the Grandson of Wolfgang Thimmig a bf110 Ace witch spent most of the war as a night fighter with his brother as gunner. The book is filled with pictures they took during the war up in the air and of their free time at base even their different diplomas for winning certain medals one of them signed by Mr fatty doo doo him self aka Hermann Göring. Anyway it's got tons of interesting notes about the the different models of bf110s he flew written down by Wolfgang him self during ww2 and several deep descriptions of the victories he scored. A literal translation of the books title to English would be "Night Hunters" Hope it gets published in more languages.
Whats the original title of the book? Sounds very interesting! I dont speak swedish, but i sure can enjoy some pictures;)
@@dr.doppeldecker3832 I was curious too so did some googling (I am swedish so helped) and the original title is "Nattens Jägare" by Max Thimmig
So just to be pedantic: 'Nattens Jägera' (Swedish) would be 'Hunter of the Night'
@@ulrikschackmeyer848 Jägare*
As a m240 gunner in the army I use to count the bursts not the rounds. I had a fairly constant 6-7 round burst per trigger pull. So approximately 15-16 trigger pulls for a 100 round belt. You get pretty consistent with training. Just like the drum on the top weapon we would us visual just for a backup.
Interesting to hear!
I've heard that manny gunners use short phrases or sayings to measure their burstlength and be more consistent.
LowStuff we used to use the phrase "kill a family of six"
True, I would guess that some of these guys got a 'feel' for how much ammo was left
I use the mg42 frequently and in order to count how many rounds I have used I take a bullet out of the belt every 10 rounds or so. Also helps keep the gun from "running away" with the belt as it is old
"significant emotional event" i see someone enjoys the Chieftains videos :D
I do :)
HerrStein chieftain knows his shit, which is refreshing.
HerrStein Its the best thing world of tanks has done for the world.
Very much agreed. The guy is nice too, he did answer several of my questions, not the least of which was which tank someone as tall as him (and me) would be able to fit in. Short answer, unless it's an M60 or Tiger/Panther we're pretty screwed up.
Excellent graphics and commentary. Thank you!
For those of you wondering about the "saddle drum" operation. There is no linked belt feed that is typical for a machine gun. The individual rounds that are stacked in the drums are pushed through the spiral feed path built into each drum by a spring that unwinds from the center of each drum. Both drums feed the weapon in a alternating manner, right drum, then left drum, repeat until drums are empty. The MG 15 could empty a saddle drum in about 5 seconds of continuous fire.
Well, you answered my question. I was scratching my head. Thanks.
Now I'm curious if a gunner ever got a kill by tossing drum magazines at an enemy pursuer
Hanz: "FUCK! I'VE RUN OUT OF AMMO!"
Yankee: "I've got you now- what the fuc-?!" *MG15 drum mag smashes into propellers*
Ze Fatherland vud be praud!
Now all I can picture are terrified American B-17 crewmembers chucking random shit out of their plane against that one German pilot who gave up the Iron Cross to escort them to safety...
Like that one scene in Pirates of the Caribbean
"LOAD THE CANNONS!"
"WITH WHAT?!"
"Everything..."
i've been thinking exactly the same thing.
and when the enemy has an bag gunner too, he would think "what the F*** is going on"
lol I love It! * screenshots *
OH MY GOD! VR Gunner game! Like a dedicated one, not modded IL-2 and shit.
Run out of ammo? Chuck the cans at them!
Fascinating. You exceed expectations. Your videos always seem to cover something I have always been interested in.
"Why are we sitting in the gunner position?" And more importantly, why don't we have legs?! Or.. a body?
More space EFFICIENT!
Haha...good one.....^^
Ordnung, that's why.
Shot off by the Spit/P51 you failed to see. Space saving measures/ Ikea planes?
30 seconds with a lecture on the gunner’s seat. That’s all I needed 👍
LOVE your videos! Fast becoming one of my favorite channels.... would be very interested to see a similar video of the 110 or other German night fighter aircraft with the inclusion of onboard radar. Always been fascinated and mystified how that operated. Keep up the great work!
"... so you open this handle... ZACK!" Großartig!
Recycling actually was a virtue in ww2 Germany...... In fact they were the first regime to implement environmental protection laws on companies and factories, national parks, animal cruelty laws (hitler was very serious about animal cruelty and laws against it), and other conservation ordinances even before the war broke out.
Based on that, you would think the Toyota Prius should have been German made!
animal cruelty, oh please millions of horses were worked to death by the Wehrmacht
Not gonna lie, kind of want to fly a bf110 in real life. If I ever win the lottery I'm totally having one built hahaha.
You will have to win the lottery a couple of times!
Now an important question: what variant would you build? I would build a G-4.
Can I bee the rear gunner?
Airbus may still have the blueprints in their archives
Just build a balsawood!
Being german really gives you the best experience watching your videos. Nice video. Its older but still very informative.👍
Hallo - vielen Dank für die ausführliche „Einweisung“- mein Großonkel war Bordschütze auf der BF-110 - ich war noch recht klein als er mir von seiner Zeit auf der BF-110 erzählte- selbst heute Berufspilot, ist es sehr interessant für mich zu sehen wie das Cockpit des ersten fliegenden Familienmitgliedes im Detail ausgesehen - und wie es funktioniert hat!
Danke und gute Flüge!
Don't often see that part of aircraft. Gives good impression of what the gunner /observer did. Didn't know that he could reload cannon. Interesting video, thanks.
There's something just so delightfully German about how intricate and space efficient that ammo feed and empty bin is. US gunners got a burlap sack, if they were lucky
Those ammo drums were nicknamed Schneckentrommel.
This is my favorite plane to fly in IL-2. It's great to know more about it!
One benefit not mentioned about having that rear gun was that it could be removed - if the plane survived a crash - and taken along by the surviving crew to be used as a weapon.
Hi, Bismarck. At 5:30, it's called a 'saddle drum'. It's basically a circular magazine, no belts used. A modern example would be the Beta C-mag. The Luger had something similar called the snail drum.
Danke! I'll try to remember it
Should totally throw the drum at the enemy aircraft to confuse them or something.
For the cost of possibly hitting the rudder.
Prob do more than the peashots
I wish you showed us this while you were flying. Now I really want to see a video of you being a proper gunner/spotter!
That was actually incredibly interesting! Thanks a lot for that!
Iv got quite the inconsistency to point out with regards to the radio. you said that the EK was the shortwave radio transmitter and the EL was the longwave transmitter however the radios clearly display the frequency that the operate on (3700 khz for EK and 370 Mhz for the EL).
Well lets get into the maths. with wavelength = speed of light / frequency and knowing that the speed of light is aprox. 3*10^8 we can calculate the wavelength given these radios frequency:
Starting with the shortwave radio running at 3700khz (3.7*10^6 Hz) we find the wavelength to be aprox 81.0m (3*10^8 / 3.7*10^6 = 81.08)
Now knowing that the shortwave radio's wavelength is about 81m lets do the calculations for the long wave, The longwave uses a frequency of 370Mhz which is 3.7*10^8 Hz therefore:
3*10^8/3.7*10^8 = 0.81m wavelength. This shows that using the frequencies used in game the long wave actually has the shorter wavelength and vice versa.
Now im not sure if this is a minor translation error or if its a mistake on the developers part but i just thought it's worth mentioning.
Also i'm probably sad AF for noticing this immediately.
Edit: I made a typo.
No, you are right. I checked the frequencies of the actual radios and EL didn't add up. I didn't say anything in the video since I don't know much about frequencies and wasn't sure if it was just me or not. I presume it is a mistake by the developers. There are a few of these in fact, for example a word in the Bf 110 (near the crank for the arial) that is missing it's first letter. They are small things no one notices until someone makes a video about it ;). Really good spot !
Well spotted Hakaru and thank you for sharing this. I for one do apreciate these sorts of details.
Hakaru, break out that big arse maths and destroy my immersion then
Neeerrrrrrrreerrrrrrrrrrrdddddddddddd....!
ya jelly mate? ;)
Can you please, please do more of those videos? Like the cockpit of bf109 or other planes.
Im growing to love your videos!!!! and i've been learning german for quite a while, and its nice to hear different people speak and pronounce things. i would love to play a few games with you someday! keep it up! :)
So. I just realized the MG-15 inspired a star wars blaster, like the MG-42 or the STG44/AK-47 did
so did the lewisgun, the C96, P08 (Rogue One) and a few more
I was staring at these blasters in Battlefront and went "This is an MG42... This is a Luger... This is a Lewis gun... This is an AK-47 or STG44 (Based on just overall appearance, I'd say STG44)"
At first, I thought maybe it was because they were easy to get their hands on these "surplus" guns for either simple or no modifications... But that doesnt seem viable
I think in the 70s there were quite a few around still. The rebels assaultrifle is a STG, the E-11 Blaster of the stormtroopers is a sten gun. Guess you'll find quite some listing on the interwebs about those
Now I wanna own an MG42 or an MG-15 and be able to either cosplay as a storm trooper OR a German soldier :3
One in the same really... Storm trooper or Stoßtruppen
Wait... It musta been an AK-47 it was built off then, I don't think there were STG44s in the 70s xD When we barely have any real ones, just repro ones
Keep thinking of those carefree candidates who applied for pilot training and was accepted by the Luftwaffe, but to their dismay later found themselves training as gunners at the flight school. What a fall.
A step by step tutorial on the BF 110 gunner simplified
1: open cockpit
2:throw away Mg-15
3:use panzershreck
4: look for communists
Can't wait for your video about the ball gunner on the B-17.
Beautiful work my friend! good content and we'll presented.
I've know a few people from Germany in my life and your English is really good my friend!
Thanks a lot!
Great! I needed this video. Something useful to do since im unable to land any fucking plane in this game.
yeah, landing planes is for pilots...not gamers...
Lol me too............I have crashed soooooo many planes in this game. As Lloyd bridges once said come to think of it I don't think I've ever landed one!
I just subscribed...you're just shy of 100.000 subscribers...keep up the fantastic work and you'll soon have 250.000 ubs...
The technical term for the little holes in the ammo magazine that let you see if there are bullets or not is "witness holes." The ammo is pushed along the inside of the drum by a spring and isn't on a belt, so you'd just call that part the ammo drum.
Love the work and videos. What about maybe a video like this pt2, to fighting/flying as a tail Gunner?
Very interesting - the design has been well thought through - stating the obvious.
Great video bro just great, diferent but still interesting. Thanks for info videos like this :-)
I like old planes.
Then you are in the right place ;)
lol Deja vu.
Bismarck you said the elephant in the room the mg-15 i didn't even notice it oh yah blitzkrieg und panzer!
DafuqROB me to
I'm three years late but I have to do this *GONK*
NO BACK REST??? Willi Messerschmitt, you cruel SOB!!!
In case of belly landing , the gunner flyes through the whole plane and leaves it through the windshield !
All we had in a 1114 (up armour humvee) was a canvas strap, the width of a belt.
Thanks. Interesting to learn about these less well known military stuff like gunners positions in aircraft.
Amazing vid. thanks for letting us know!!!
The transistor has shrunk radios tremendously.
You can fit everything in between the radio's controls.
5:45: their called 'drums'. They're also the best large capacity magazine, they combine the capacity of box magazines with the reliability of sickle types. The downside is they're shitty to manufacture, and waste lots of space in shipping.
5:35 It's a snail drum. That particular one is a double snail drum.
Idle thought....might the gunner have to be careful not to shoot out the tail fins??
One day, they'll make a game with a functioning Morse key… :D
Would work in the Bf 110 ;)
buy a Junker key on ebay
I really enjoy that there is is a fancy trash bin for the empty ammo drums.
5:33 This is a Brezel! At least I call it that...
You mean Brezel Maschinengewehr 15.
No, just the 75 shot drum.
Several guns had that, I mean, just look at it.
www.hendersondefense.com/store/pc/catalog/mg34drums_207_general.jpg
fascinating how Germany had sussed out the VHF,HF comms. I hadn't realised that. 80 years later and although they are smaller sets nowadays we still cannot combine both. I remember using a vhf set and using a barbed wire fence as an antenna to talk to someone on Hohne ranges from Yorkshire. Clever stuff.
Bismarck you are rilly good at german.
Like drinking from a FireHose of interesting detailed information! Jeesh the world was complicated in WW2! Thanks!
I'm reminded of talking to a german veteran about being an instructor pilot for Me-110. He told me of his last flight....He told the student to land...He...sitting behind...didn't see the student's action. When aircraft "touched down " He was informed via sliding on the field. Came to a stop by the body passed between two trees leaving the wings behind. He was furious and fed up and told his supiriors "HE QUITED"...Was given a ground job.
Hey, could you please do a video on how to read Lichtenstein radar?
Doesnt the gunner have some kind of seatbelt? I asking as I will guess that he will "flew" around when the pilot twist and turn the plane, and as well when he flies it up side down
Cool information. Hope to see some action from the gunner position one day.
thank you. quite comprehensive.
Love your talks Bismarck!
The 2 steps to becoming a german gunner:
1. Be born german
2. Be placed behind a working and loaded gun.
Congratulations! You made it!
Another great and informative vid...danke Bismarck
You are very welcome
I was hoping you would say that the empty ammo canisters were usually thrown at Spitfires...
I wonder how much weight would be saved if the gunner and equipment were removed from a 110 and the fuselage redesigned.
Deine Videos sind sehr informativ und extrem interessant! :D Weiter so ^^
I have heard this type of ammunition drum referred to as a snail drum because of the spiral method of ammunition storage
I have a question, I noticed that the ammo drums seem to be 2 sided but only one side has markings so the gun, presumably, only feeds from the right hand side. If that is the case, then what is the left hand side of the drum for? Is it for collecting the spent shell casings?
The technical term for that drum holding the ammo, is 'drum magazine'.
My main question: how did you keep from shooting your own tail off in the excitement of battle?
Great educational video. thanks a lot!
The drums that have the belts that go around I believe are known as snail drum magazines.
The term for that drum is "doppletrommel". It's not actually belt-fed; rather, it's a spring-loaded drum, rather akin to the modern C-mag.
Really good video Bismarck! Have you made a video of your Keybindings? If you havn't I would love to see one ^^. Cheers!
nice jazz in the background
PLEASE BRING MORE GAMEPLAY BISMARCK I LOVE IT WHEN YOU PLAY!!!!
I can't imagine how terribly deafening the wind noise would have been with the gunner's canopy open during flight. Were they designed so that it wouldn't be as bad as I think it would be, or did the Luftwaffe commanders simply tell the gunners to get over it? I remember that the sirens on Stukas initially ran constantly, and it was only after much complaint by pilots that they were redesigned so that their operation was controlled by a switch, so I'm wondering how bad the open canopy would have been.
Great video! Keep up the good wri!
super helpful! Thanks man!
On a BF110 C4 varriant would the gunner get out of that hatch he opend to fire the MG or would there be a side hatch?
This may have been asked previously, but do the shell casings just fill the gunner's compartment?
Why do some german fighters have the pilot sit offset to the right side of the cockpit? I've tried to find info on that all over the internet,and wasn't lucky at all. Do you happen to know anything about that?
This aircraft is a lot more sophisticated than I'd realized.
Thanks Bis! Like these educational vids.
i see the il2 game has more detail than war thunder
It does
Bismarck how much is it on Steam?
Actually 46.99€ thats around 50$ i think and Battle of Moscow has the same price but BoS is required to run BoM. Hope i could help you with that. :D
Nick Martin war thunder is a simulator as well.
Alex Hendel Lol, it’s not.
Is it impossible to play with a mouse instead of a stick? If that is the case wich stick do you recommend me to get?
I really like your videos, mein Herr. Any idea what that half circle window on the right is for? Odd to have asymmetrical canopy glazing unless it has a purpose, nicht wahr?
You can open that up in flight and take pictures to the outside etc. Also gives you the option to hand stuff to the outside without having to open the canopy.
Could the gunner just fall out of the aircraft, and was he always wearing a parachute?
Was there anything to stop the gunner, in the excitement of battle, from shooting off his own plane's tail?
I think the Lanc had something to stop its guns pointing directly at the tail (I could be wrong).
Have you ever seen that photo from the Battle of Britain of a burning Spitfire, taken by the Bf-110 tail gunner who shot it down? It's remarkable, both for how it was taken, and the fact that a Bf-110 tail gunner could shoot something down with that one machine gun!
I think I saw it, the close up of one diving down?
Bismarck that might be it.
Here it is: i.imgur.com/e90sLGi.jpg
Oh no, it's another one. Haven't seen this one yet! Thanks a lot
What kind of radios did Bf 109s and Fw 190s have? Only air-to-air radios or also air-to-surface?
I wish the defensive gunner's canopy was open in the War Thunder Bf 110, even if it was just in gunner view (for drag reasons). As is its got a very limited field of fire.
Was the gunner strapped to his seat in any way? To avoid falling out of the plane through the open canopy, for once :) I wonder, how would he be able to face both directions, front and back, then? Does his chair rotate, perhaps? Anyway, without a backrest it doesn't seems obvious how one can fasten the gunner to his seat securely.
So...let me get this right...In a Bf110 the gunner had 2 spring loaded magazines of ammo drums(makes sense if you don´t use ammo belts)..but he put the empty ones in what was basically a garbage bin? :D
Liked the video BM. Fly the Bf-110 in Il-2 a lot. One question though. Did they keep all the empty shells in the small bag underneath the gun? And i believe the gunner could also fire the gun without opening the hatch. The arch of fire was limited but it caused less drag.
Martijn van der Meer ...I believe the canvas bag under the gun was the brass catcher...
Great vid. 👍🏻
very nice video, shame you didn't give a VERY brief explanation of how to get it to work(keys). A question, in Multiplayer who reloads the gun-the gunner or the pilot?
How were the 20mm cannons re-cocked after reloading?
Did the gunners ever fall out of the open canopy? I'd assume they weren't belted in because they had to spin around in their seats along, and that's a pretty big hole in the back of the plane :/
There sis something wrong with the radio, the receiver for short wave has a scale with kilohertz markings and the receiver for long wave has a scale with a megahertz rating
What a death trip! I can only imagine what the gunner was thinking, when an American P51 Mustang attacked with 50cals blazing.