United States F-35 vs French Rafale - Which would win?
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- United States F-35 vs French Rafale - Which would win?
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Today we will compare these two phenomenal fighter jets in this hypothetical matchup, and determine which fighter jet is better in a real battlefield.
1. Performance
Both aircraft have multiple variants for airforce and navy but we will compare F-35A with Rafale C. F-35 was first introduced in 2015. Around 570 jets of all variants have been built so far with per unit cost of $78M for F-35a. Operated by a crew of 1, the Aircraft can take-off with a maximum weight of 70,000Ib. The jet is powered by a Pratt & Whitney turbofan engine capable of producing 43,000 pounds of thrust. The engine can push the aircraft at a top speed of 1,227mph. With a maximum range of 1,700mi, the jet can combat within a radius of 870mi. The climb rate of F-35 is classified; the aircraft can reach a maximum altitude of 50,000ft and still operational.
On the other hand, Rafale was first rolled out in 2001. Around 201 jets have been built so far with per unit cost of $77M. Operated by a crew of 1, the aircraft can take-off with a maximum weight of 54,000Ib. The aircraft is powered by a pair of turbofan engines generating 34,000 pounds of thrust combined. With the help of these engines, the aircraft can travel with a top speed of 1,381mph. With ferry range of 2,300mi, the jet can combat within a radius of 1,150mi. With a climb rate of 1,000 ft/sec, the service ceiling of Rafale is 50,000ft.
2. Maneuverability
With smaller wings and inferior thrust to weight ratio, the early F-35 pilots found it nearly impossible to even engage with F-16. Lockheed Martin worked with pilots training and changed the configuration of the jet…
In contrast, Rafale has lead in this category. The aircraft has 9 Gs maneuverability with a high angle of attack. Canard wings are used to improve maneuverability further. The aircraft is aerodynamically clean with two wingtip missiles…
3. Stealth
The F-35 has been designed to have a lower radar cross-section with the help of aircraft shape and the use of stealthy radar absorbent materials. The stealth capabilities in the F-35 are unprecedented in military aviation. For perspective, F-35’s radar cross-section is 0.005 m2, which is about the size of a golf ball.
On the contrary, the Rafale is not a full-aspect stealth aircraft. However, the jet was designed for a reduced radar cross-section ranging from 0.5 to 2 m2…
4. Radar & Avionics
F-35 is equipped with AN/APG-81 radar capable of tracking at over 143mi can lock its target as far as 93mi. The aircraft is equipped with a Distributed Aperture and Electro-optical targeting system...
On the other side, Rafale is equipped with passive electronically scanned multi-mode radar. This is capable to achieve an increased level of situational awareness through earlier target detection. The radar projects real-time 3D maps for terrain-following and high-resolution ground maps for navigation and targeting. The radar can detect and engage a target at a range of 90mi.
5. Firepower
F-35 is armed with an internally mounted 25mm equalizer gun with 180 rounds in addition to an external pod with extra rounds. The aircraft has two internal weapon bays and 6 external hardpoints for carrying 8 tons of weapon payload. The two outer hardpoints can carry sidewinder and short-range air to air missiles…
On the other hand, the Rafale can carry weapon payloads of more than 9.5 tons on its 14 hardpoints. The range of weapons includes air to air, air to ground, air to sea, guided and unguided bombs. For a strategic mission, the jet can deliver Storm Shadow standoff nuclear missile. The aircraft can also carry Meteor beyond visual range air to air missiles…
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I like how your videos are always well presented in a non biased way.
Thanks buddy
@@Grid88 👍
And outdated oh and not giving accurate info on present F 35 listen up everyone just ask the Israelis
@@Grid88 in reality F35 can go maximum 1.2mach, otherwise I'll burn it's wings & engine infrared signature. F22 REALTIME speed in 1.6mach. F22 raptor is actual stealth fighter.
F35 is cheaper variant, not a real 5gen fighter. No match for Rafale
@@Grid88 It's true that you try to be unbiased and it's a good thing but you have to stop about Storm shadow nuclear missile, that doesn't exist, Rafale use ASPM-A for nuclear strike (a sort of big meteor missile with a nuclear warhead).
I had the honour to work in the rafale department in Paris as an intern. This aircraft as seen more than 4000 modifications since the first prototype to make it the best military aircraft in the world. Amazing!
The Rafale design was good from the start, whereas Typhoon and F35 are wrong from the start.
Typhoon is built by a consortium so many compromises had to be made but FCAS will be really hard for Dassault as it won't be in charge.
@@NATObait
- you are right on the first point.
Typhoon is a compromise and compromises hardly work.
- i disagree with you on the 2nd point.
Dassault has all the technology so they will be either in charge or designing solo.
@@alexdarcydestsimon3767 Just like last time except the costs are going up and Germany are still showing no signs of building an aircraft carrier so why should they pay for that trick? Yes Rafale was easier to build without interference or compromise but it would have been way better with EJ2000 engines for instance.
@@NATObaiti agree with you regarding german aircraft carriers...
but Germano English engine better ? Then you are gravely mistaken. The Rafale engine are way better than the engine from the Typhoon. The Germans want to be the lead on engine manufacturing for the scaf... not because they know better, but because they want the French tech.
Alike in electronic Warfare systems
Rafale " is simply the best and most complete combat aircraft that I have ever flown. Its operational deployments speak for themselves. If I had to go into combat, on any mission, against anyone, I would, without question, choose the Rafale."
Peter Collins: former Royal Air Force pilot,
I hear ya , however say that because you haven't flown against Russian and Chinese state of the art aircraft yet. F 35 will kill and destroy other jets and targets on the ground at the same time .
@@shanana5822 imao ok
Maybe you should fly more planes. It's good at best
Country like germany buy F35 only because they can put nuclear armements on it
Yes....because you haven't flown F-35. If you do, your decision will change. You will prefer F-35.
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@@therafale5885 Amazing, Stalin is your answer.
@@adrianmunteanu8135 nice.
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Rafale has won ALL international official competitions in the last 20 years. Full stop.
seriously ? still these days ?
@@lasalle1042 The Rafale has had a number of upgrades, the latest of wich is due in 2025. Any rafale can be upgraded to the latest version, making it an very evolutive fighter, that's how it stays at the top. The 2001 Rafale would not be able to win against recent fighters.
The true reason the rafale is not sold that much, is because french diplomacy and "sales techniques" are not up to the USA's
Lol but the f22 is not exportée TO bé in a comprtition
Well another point not mentionned in the video is that the Rafale was deployed in operation in 2002 when the F35 deployed in 2015 and first saw combat in 2018.
And as such Rafale had plenty of time to fix his first problems and mature while F35 is still a very recent, "newborn" plane, with unfortunately quite a few problems following its launch, it may take some time to catch up to his full maturity.
But seeing recent investments (Everyone seems to direct towards F35 including Germany and Switzerland, our closest neighboors and since Germany previously used Eurofighters it's a pretty big deal) I'd say that F35 probably has a few aces up his sleeve that we don't hear about.
Probably long distance engagements and electronic warfare / capabilities will be the way to go in the near future. We'll see how Dassault will respond to that, maybe with our next french aircraft ? Let's wait and see 🤷♂️
the best plane with an average pilot will be an average plane
With the same amount of money the french would have built a X-wing from star wars
I had a good laugh 🤣 thanks!
haha excellent!
there is only 1 million difference ... i couldnt get your comment.
@@brjgtm2011 he might be talking about the funding difference beetween the two programs.
@@brjgtm2011 it's development cost not purchase price
One for sure, the Rafale is a beauty ! And as Marcel Dassault liked to say, a beautiful plane also flies well...
First, Rafale was launched 2001 first time, but it had huge upgrades until than few times, so Rafale 2001 and Rafale F3 and especially next year F4 will not be the same jet. F35 don't have better radar, than Rafale F3, F35 don't have better long range missile, Meteor is the best long range missile air to air, about stealth this guy forgot that Rafale have S.P.E.C.T.R.A which gave to Rafale stealth capabilities but electronically, not just with design and color and that F35 will not be able to lock Rafale and that Rafale also have IR which will be able to lock on F35 without turning on AESA 360° radar. Rafale will rape F35, BVR or in dog fight. Rafale F4 will be ON next year and it will have everything what F35 have and more.
@@sandropertono5024 Sorry mate, the Rafale is not a true 5th generation stealth fighter. Having stealth features or spectra is not the same as full stealth capabilities. The F-35 would spot the Rafale first every time. The first to spot wins the BVR fight. That's just the way it is.
@@craigharrison5406 si le f 35 tire il est repere
@@titi-cx1gcUnfortunately the missile is already on it's way, and a 2nd is being fired in succession. First spot, first view, first kill. The F-35 is already in elude and evade maneuvre's at that point. F-35 radar is better in every way than any other radar in existence including the radar of the F-22 Raptor. The Rafale has better agility and is better in a dogfight but not a BVR fight.
@@craigharrison5406 the good is thing is the rafale is very capable to detect planes on ground wich is F 35 prefered space. 35% maintenance time this is huge.
Personally what i found the most notable is to compare the military budget of each country : 40 billions for France and 800 billions for USA.
Now imagine if France had the same budget...
They prob would spend it on stuff that French people need. Not new aircraft carriers and military bases lol
The gouvernement will use these 760 billions pour la caf bordel au lieu d’acheter des rafales
@@R41b3t0 La caf pour nos fameux astrophysiciens
@@milanonwssd lol on retrouve les fachos partout 😅 arrêtez de penser à nous. On s’en blc de vous.
@@milanonwssd ayaa les qlf golems vont pas piloter nos rafale ayaa
I am passionate about aviation and I love all American fighter planes and i can say The french Rafale M (Marine*) is probably the most beautiful, advanced and agressive fighter jet in the world with the F-22 in the same rank place. Bravo France 👍🏻🇨🇵
Rafale doesnt stand a change against the f-22
@@dinandschinkel6917 ahah lol if the f22 is in th ‘6 of the rafalent he rafale is dead. BUT, if the rafle is in the ‘6 of the f22..... is almost always dead. f22 is good? but it is an « assassin", not a "fantassin"
Rafale gets clapped by the F-22, F-35, and F/A-18E/F. Stop kidding yourself.
@@SIoyvenheaven1T800m101 The f-35 that was dreamt in 2001 would beat a Rafale. Any f-35 in service today would be screwed against a Rafale.
@@blackiris_code No dude, you don't have a clue. The F-35 wrecks the Rafale. Keep quiet.
"An aircraft witch looks good it's an aircraft witch Fly good"
Marcel Bloch(dassaut)
of course it suits the laws of nature.
@Taimoor Khan in your opinion
@Taimoor Khan true
As a Greek, I got even more excited for Greece to receive the Rafales.
I wish France help our Greek friends to kick turkey ass
F-35 can't aim a target lol and the screen fail 1/5 times xD
@@SylvesterStaline. France will only help your greek friends to get in economic crisis deeper.
@@Murat.012 French politic and economic oligarchy, not France.
As a French citizen, I'm glad your country gets good air equipment, but I find it rather outrageous that our country sells our own weaponry to other countries.
I just have to say, I greatly appreciate how when you list the specs for the second aircraft you have the stats for both side-by-side. In no other comparison videos do I see that and it drives me nuts having to go back and forth in the video and often times I just don't even try.
We chose and bought Rafale. Greetings from Croatia 🇭🇷
The F-35 is obviously state of the art in regards tech.........but who wants to fly a computer, and in a battle scenario you wouldn't want the computers to go awry. As an Englishman its hard to say, but the French Rafale is a bloody good piece of aviation engineering!
So you think a pilot would prefer to get into a dogfight, rather than be able to take the enemy out from beyond visual range? Okay
@@noodles169 A pilot would prefer a reliable aircraft, for now the F-35 really does not look like one, the rafale do (very few failure in operation), also a second engine in case of "problem" may be essential.
@@noodles169 A pilot sometimes has to get into a dogfight whether he wants to or not. The only way you can really tell how good a fighter is, is when it has proved itself against the very best opposition, like the Spitfire did against the Me 109. Even then you may not have the whole story, because although the Hurricane had inferior performance to the Spit, it had superior ground handling and was more suitable for newly trained, inexperienced pilots. A lot of pilots were killed or injured in ground accidents in those days.
@@CaptainDangeax yep. I couldn't have said it better.
@@noodles169 yes, but F35 have a problem with Rafale. Despite F35 stealth, Rafale detects F35 warmth and much more when it flies with post-combustion. It's fact that pilots know.
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@@matthieuduchasteniermartin532 mais pourquoi parler au nom d'un pays ??
Amour pour la France de la grèce
we brought rafael because of its great capability.. love france from India
India was judicious. The rafale is the best.
Croatia buying rafale,
Indian Rafael has a better system because of Air to air missiles and Bhramos. And its using IRNSS which is even better than US F35 navigation. It's written as a 4.5 jet but it's a 5th gen, Where as china j 20 is considered as 5th gen buts ita more like 3.5 gen
@@TheAryanKnight right
It’s a great fighter, but India can’t buy F-35 anyway b/c y’all have S-400.
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The Rafale's appearance is probably my favorite regarding fighter jets. Absolutely gorgeous.
I actually really enjoy the F35's hull design as well.
True our French Rafale is gorgeous, but I find the Russian Soukhoi Su-47 Berkut to be the most magnificent aircraft of all time.
true...but f35 is like alienware
@@thorH. Me too, I especially like the C varient for navel use. The wider wings appeal to me but it sadly has no VTOL capabilities. Gorgeous plane as well to be honest. The fuselage design is up there for me.
@@17arisps Both are incredibly capable planes, but meant to serve completely different roles. Which influences design a LOT. I honestly love them both but just really like the rafale for some reason.
Le F35 prouve que contrairement à une idée reçut la quantité colossale d'argent mit dans le développement ne fait pas un bon avion.
@GEISEL lB je pense que vous n'avez pas bien compris le sens de ce commentaire.
Voire.... l'excès de budget peut même devenir un handicap, notamment lorsqu'il sert à créer une usine à gaz.
De l'autre côté, l'obligation de faire des compromis à permis d'éviter bcp de prises de risque.
Mettre du tactile dans un jet, faire des moteurs surdimensionnés et laisser dériver le poids, fantasmer la poussée vectorielle et la furtivité...
@@lesviolonsdautomne le tactile dans un jet c fou
En plus c 100M l’avions pas 77M
C'est bien connu que les français sont plus efficace au travail que pratiquement n'importe quel autre pays du monde, presque 2 fois plus efficace que les américains.
Le F35 n'est pas mauvais.
Le Rafale est juste une exception géniale.
If we add this budget in France we would build a space battleship
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
You sell your spaceships to Senegal as usual…
@@aalb1873 indeed
@@aalb1873 hahaha
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The French Rafale of course.
F35's 15:1 kill ratio says other wise. What good is dog fighting capabilities if you get shot down before seeing the other jet?
@@derekcraig3617 yeah, this is the only argument you have, but you were never able to prouve it...
@@derekcraig3617 I really feel like you don't know. Go through your documents and we'll talk about it again.
@@alandeweld3059 Amazing argument, you really got me
@@derekcraig3617 Tell me how the f35 can shoot down a rafale at long range without being detected
The rafale with updated technologies would be the master of the skies
U forgot to talk about the SPECTRA system in the rafale, wich makes the aircraft really hard to lock on
Home-on-jam AIM-120 has entered the chat
@@gm683 Indian su30 mki dodged and jammed 4 aim120c
Madhuri Saxena Unlikely
@@gm683 like more than 10 years late lmao
Spectra is basically DFRM, not great against AESA radars
Many months ago when the debate started in Greece on which aircraft we should buy between RAFALE vs F-35, everybody in Greece were screaming..... "STOP ASKING, RAFALE YOU IDIOT".
And here we are wating for them now.
The best choice for our air force
Rafale is the best option overall and your government made a great choice. It's beautiful, reliable, practical, and powerful, such a great combination.
Would have been nice to see the Greek Rafale beat the shit out a Turkish F35...
But Turks were smarter than expected. They prefered the S400 over the F35 and got the Qatar to base 12 Rafales in Turkey.
You failed to mention that the French government sold the Rafales to Greece at a discount and called it "Military Aid."
Weapons purchases aren't all about capability. They are about politics, capabilities, costs, defense contractor reputation, manufacturing capabilities and maintenance contracts that go out decades.
Lockheed just has a much bigger footprint in the defense contracting world, a larger budget, greater manufacturing capabilities and the F-35 is sold to more nations meaning that whoever buys F-35s has access to a larger pool of specialists who know how to work on the plane, a greater pool of spare parts and a manufacturer who has more resources to design, develop, test and manufacture whatever changes you may need in the future.
@@inorite4553 you don't get the point here.
-It was a matter Time.
Greece Air Force is used to Mirage 2000
France could make an arangement to have Greek pilots and mechanics transition to Rafale asap.
Meanwhile Lockheed wasn't so keen in selling to Greece...for good reasons :
F35 sucks
It hardly flies like uncounters over baltic sea say every day. But thanks god, they don't shoot at each other just yet there.
But over Aegean sea, it is a different matter.
A fight between a qatari Rafale based in Turkey and a greek F35 would have been a catastrophy for "Look in Martin"
Remember : the F35 keeps loosing against the F16 since day one. Even if the F16 keeps its tanks on.
An F35 Italian pilot reported 2 months ago that he could''t do a thing with his F35 against a Russian pilot in an old Mig. He even resigned.
Wow! Have you paid for them?? Thought you guys have third world status now🤷♂️
Avoir du fric c’est bien, avoir des ingénieurs de génie c’est mieux... Rafale en force
@@thomasmouty1879 tu as tout faux.... le Rafale le même prix que le F35 . et le F35 a beaucoup plus de technologie compliqué que le Rafale. En revanche le F35 coute un bras a entretenir et a maintenir en vol . Et il est bourrer de problème. A t 'elle point que les USA pense deja a le remplacer. donc bon.
Apres c'est juste le pouvoir d'achat. La France n'est pas les USA on n'a pas le meme budget militaire pour faire voler des milliers de rafale.
@@thomasmouty1879 ca ne change rien.
Votre conclusion est fausse.
Hitler a juste manquer de matiere premiere et de temps pour produire son armement. Car tout a etait devellopé pendant la guerre.
Et ce n est pas parcequ une nation à echoué qie ca remet en cause la chose.
Il y a plusieur facteur qui rentre en jeu.
Avoi de l argent pour alligner 1000 avions ca ne permet pas de gagner la guerre si vos 1000 avions ne permettent pas de faire des missions sur un théatre d operation adverse de haute densité.
De nos jours sans technologie est sans le boulots des ingenieurs un avion et detecté et intercepté ou abattu avant même qu il n ait pu tirer la moindre munition.
En France on n a pas beaucoup de Rafale comparer au nombre d avion qie les US peuvent alligné.
Mais parcontre le Rafale à mis au tapis tout ce qui se fait de mieux en matiere d avion de chasse et il a fait ses preuves .
Il est a disposition des forces armées sans reserve d uilisation et n a pas de problème de devellopement.
C est une force sur qui evolue de standart en standart .
Alors biensur la difference ne se fait pas que qur un model d avions mais sur une strategie globale.
Mais on peu etre fier du travail accompli sur cette avions.
Et les histoires de batailles d il y a 1000 ans n a rien a voir.
Comparer un théatre d operation moderne et ultra technologique avec radar , furtivité , brouillage , missile guidage IR, radar ou visuel le tout dans le ciel a 2000km/h en prenant jusqu a 9G et un cavalier seul avec son courage face a des archer....
C est un peu riducule je trouve
@@thomasmouty1879 Les chats allemands n’étaient pas meilleures que les autres. Les I, II et III (et leurs dérivés) étaient pas ouf du tout. Le panzer IV était surpassé par les dernières version du t-34. Le Tiger I et II sont pas si ouf que ça et surtout lent, fragile,.... Le Panther qui devait être le char du Reich était « excellent » sur le papier, mais extrêmement fragile (de nombreux Panther vont se détruire tout seul), impossibilité presque total de réparer (beaucoup d’appareils seront abandonnés) et a subit les absurdes concurrences entre les ingénieurs allemands. Donc même le Panther reste un char pas aboutit.
@@thomasmouty1879 ce que tu dis n as aucun sens
@@thomasmouty1879 Non vous avez dis : "mieux vaut des équipements moyens disponibles en grande quantité, que des équipements géniaux en petite quantité" en prenant l'exemple des chars allemands durant la WWII et c'est faux. Les chars allemands n'était en rien supérieur au chars russes.
every time i see this kind of videos, i am just coming in for the comment section
Yeah, french and greeks say "rafale is the best", but americans and the other f35 buyers say f35 rocks the fact? the both have some benefits and bad features. In combat, they never walk alone. That's why strategy is important too.
Exactly everyone is defending their own country Fighter regardless of true potential ,ignorant schoolyard shit.
Really I did this
Amen
Don't forget that the Rafale has been on the market for years, and is not as brand new as the F35, so for it to even be able to match up against a F35 which is the latest technology, is incredible in itself.
The Rafale is constantly upgraded and the f 35 is a total fail lol
Im also very much an fighter jet enthusiast. In my opinion the Rafale is the best multirole, air superiority fighter on the planet. It's climb rate and maneuverability make it extremely versatile in any situation. Also a gorgeous aircraft!
We need some long range radar whit a stealth plane.. but its not the goal. Its just for the Air Police not to start a war
Nice video. Non-biased which is rare today.
It is pretty acurate except that it misses a couple of elements that are pretty important and would play in the final assessment of the Rafale's capability. Also it compares the Rafale mixing the C variant and some of the F3 evolution . (Yes, the aircraft keeps being upgraded to the latest standards and F4 upgrade standard is already planned and developped) So I will put my remarks at the Rafale C F3 revision level.
First point indicated as advantage to the F35 is its ability to collect and exchange data between planes and create an image of the battlefield. Well, it is done using the encrypted Tactical Data Link named L16 which is ALSO available on the Rafale since the C version and has been validated in NATO level exercise.
The second element overlooked is the Rafale's capacity (Native on C) to fire a missile on a plane targeted by another plane such as an awacs, which France does have . This is important as american drills have shown that trained awacs crew were capable of detecting and targeting F35s.
Another fact is that although still classified, the upgraded Rafale protection package and counter measures would allow it to avoid or survive one to two missiles fired to it allowing the Rafale to detect the firing plane and retaliate at once and to close the distance. (Confirmed and increased at F3 level)
Scalp G stealth missile better known as Storm Shadow is available from the F2 revision only.Older Rafale versions use the APACHE SLAM missile.
The last point is an error in the Storm Shadow description. It is a SLAM but not nuclear tipped. it delivers a 450Kg (~990 pounds) multi-stage conventional warhead. In the nuclear deterrent role, the Rafale F3 use the ASMPA which is the latest variant of France's pre strategic missile. It carries a 300+ kt nuclear warhead at 500+ Km. it is carried by both Rafale Air and Navy.
The only clear conclusion that can be really made is not which aircraft can beat the other. First because they are built to work together and also because neither are sold to countries that are likely to find themselves against each other.
The one conlusion is that they reflect the national doctrine :
The F35 big cost is on stealth and engagement avoidance until it is too late for the other to react.
The Rafale's cost is on ruggedness and survivability.
The USA engage their Air Force after enemy air defenses and air bases have been attacked and minimized by Cruise missile attacks and stealth bomber attacks.
France sends armed Rafale to take everyone out.
Excellent commentary well argued!
It is obvious that you are well informed!
I agree with most of what you said, but Rafale and F-35s are definitely being sold to potential adversaries, for example Rafales to Egypt and UAE and F-35 to Israel.
@@Nibb31 Hi, well said and I agree with you on Egypt and possibly UAE as it is not yet done done. But I am not worried about those Rafale meeting Israel's F35. Egypt has signed agreements with Israel and is collaborating on many projects despite their colonization policy. UAE have more to lose both economically and politically to launch an attack on Israel and the reverse is also true. I would be more worried if it was Egypt and Sudan. They are closer to fighting. But Sudan is equipped by Russia.
@@charliebravo6869 Hi thanks. I am from a military family and I have a passion for military tech.
@@Nibb31 USA took the S400 as a reason not to sell F35 to Turkey... The Real reason might be tha Greece bought Rafales and little turkeys F35 do not stand a chance against the Rafale. So if by any chance a Rafale was to shoot a F35, that would be a bad day for american sales.
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Honestly I thought the US would be so far apart from the rest of the world. Given how expensive the F-35 program was. Before watching the video I thought the French Raffale had no chance against the F-35, however after watching the whole video I realized that the Raffale is indeed the superior weapon.
No it isn't because it doesn't have stealth capability. The Rafale wins in a dogfight, so what? It would never get close enough to engage an F35 in a dogfight.
@@johnsmith-wv4jw Maybe, a Rafale can dodge a missile coming from a far away F-35
@@quietkid-aashish3209 The Rafale only advantage over the F35 is in a close range dogfight and the odds of that happening are very slight. The problem the Rafale pilot faces isn't simply dodging one missile. The Rafale pilot has to get close enough to an opponent they can't see or track.
While the F35 pilot knows exactly where the Rafale is.
Put is another way, if stealth is so useless. Why are the French working with the Germans on a stealth replacement for the Rafale?
@@johnsmith-wv4jw The F-35's "stealth" is hogwash... The designers tried to adapt the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit 's ideas to a fighter plane, but the F-35's engines are much more exposed and powerful vs the B-2, so while it's true that the F-35 is harder to see on radar, it still shines like a star on infrared, which an interceptor version Rafale relies on...
@@johnsmith-wv4jw Stealth is a gimmick that can already be countered with modern AESA radars and pretty good code. Russians just use pure radar power. There is no stealth against an equal enemy.
An F-117 was shot down over the former yugoslavia with cold war Sergei 23mm ammo.
Rafale has many real battfield combat experience. The plane prove itself. Hard to say same thing for F35
The stealth argument is discutable when the F35 carries weapons on his external hardpoints
6 internal air to air I thought? x
@@jordanjames6851 I believe it is only four, meaning if you want your F35 to be armed as much as other fighters you will need to put things on the external hardpoint, decreasing stealth. I don't know to wich degree the stealth is degraded tho, if anyone manages to find number of the RCS with external payload I would be interested
@@jordanjames6851 It's 2 currently (they hope 4 later) and the short range IR air to air (sidewinder) have to be external. On the other hand F-35 is a strike aircraft not a air to air fighter.
And when it shoots, it becomes no more "stealth"
@@Chell_AV nope the sidekick attachment allows 6
The most important is that the rafale has a better look
yes look of the 80's is the better lol
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂does look matters in war??
Vous êtes français, encouragez l'avion de votre pays, car c'est clairement mille fois plus fort que le Rafale
Je suis d'Algérie
@@abdelkarimabed853 t’a écouté la vidéo ? combat lointain le f35 bat le rafale car il a un meilleur radar mais en combat rapproché le rafale est nettement supérieur car il est beaucoup plus manœuvrable
One thing I know about French engineering, they are very technical about how they do things. It’s goes back for centuries. All I’m saying is imagine if the French military budget was half that of the US?
They would have done some additional masterpieces ( like the Rafale is )
@@hainevidia8753 they did (leclerc tank, concorde...)
Currently, it’s 15%. We’re currently teaming up with Germany on a new Tank and new Aircraft. They should all be ready in 2040.
@@enough_b Lol. Germans aren't reliable allies on those matters.. Unfortunately
Seriously, imagine if the French had the same, or close to the defense budget the US have, they could create some pretty awesome weaponry, I mean, they already do now, with the budget that they have.
I’ll had for the French electronic suite, French planes are well connected, and an exercised proved that a French rafale can shot at an enemy aircraft almost behind him locked by an other rafale.
Also, having two engines allows better survavibilty as shown in the 1993 gulf war where a French jaguar was hit in one engine but managed to make it to a friendly airfield. The plane was not repaired and his no in the Bourget museum
Actually, no. What most engagements have found with Dual Engine fighter jets is that when one fails, it usually does so pretty catastrophically, and then goes on to damage a lot of equipment for the second jet engine, rendering it nearly useless as well. Also, Maintenance for dual jet aircraft is like having two engines in your car. Two extra lunks of steel to maintain on the ground. Single jet engine craft have proven to show a lot more reliability mostly because the advantage of Dual engine jet aircraft only gives a marginal advantage in combat durability.
In essence, two engines, two things that can go wrong, more complexity.
@@sumott497 well, what I said about that jaguar returning to the base with only one engine is true.
While having 2 is usually more expensive and hard to maintain, this proved that in some cases you could have one engine be damaged to the point of not working and the other still working.
Also, in general, even if not engaged by an enemy, having 2 engines allow you to still return to allied soil if one of them has a malfunction, which generally won’t affect the other.
There has, in the past 10-15 years, been several f35 lost at seas for exemple most probably because they lost their engine. Having a second one might have saved a few.
And in this exemple you can’t say that a 1 engine suit makes the f35 cheaper than a two engine jet. While the f35 is a gen 5 in another level with the gen 4.5 rafale for exemple, the f35 has usually worse caracteristics in every point except stealth (and maybe electronics ? But we don’t know that much in this case, so I won’t be definite on that point). And the f35 is much, much more expensive than a rafale. Does that mean that stealth is worth the price ? Well, I guess the futur should show us, but I’m pretty sure I could say the same thing you said about twin engines but for stealth technologies.
@@vizender there has been 1 unfortunate incident at sea, a total of 8 airframes lost since development began. Look up the operational losses of the F16 vs the F-35, and you will find that there is a sark contrast in reliability (as the F-35 is replacing the F16) The F16 lost over 22 airframes during development. The Harrier... Don't even get me started how many crashed and burned.
There is also a reason the USA has the F22 as well. However you first have to say the F16 isn't a good single engine fighter, before you start dogging on the F35.
"Costs" the f35a costs just as much as the Rafael, with stealth. The number of engagements that boil down to a dog fight are now less than 5%. If the Rafael survives in a high threat zone with surface to air missiles, and can get into dogfighting range, sure... But expect high casualties first.
@@sumott497 never wondered why most powerful long range motorboats have got two engines....? when one can rely only on oneself, better to have two engines...
F-35 has better survivability because it is a stealth jet and will always strike you first
Respect to France from Egypt 🇪🇬 🇫🇷🇪🇬🇫🇷🇪🇬🇫🇷🇪🇬🇫🇷🇪🇬🇫🇷
France sucks !
Respect to Egypt From France... and thanks for buying Rafale!
Egypt will not get the Meteor long range AA missiles for its Rafales because Israel objected, and Macron and co are Israel's b1tches.
@@Citadin enough demonising Israel, we need peace and harmony to be restored with The Israelis our cousins and Palestinians our brothers, lets think about uniting the semites and then there will be no conflict in land ownership because it will be for all of us Arabs and Jews.
@@seifyasser Well they tend to be a bit harsh on their cousins, ask your brothers from Deir Yassin or Sabra and Chatila...
Imagine if the french ingenieur have the same budget as the american ones... 1000 billions Us dollars 😅
Yeah, despite the 20 times difference in development budget, the rafale still is a more than decent plane compared to F35
@@MDP1702 but can it kill to a 5/1 ratio?
@@schultz01 What?
@@MDP1702 because if it can't France will be curve stomped by 10x their number of jets
@@schultz01 This is ridiculous, we are talking about the planes, not the airforces. Ofcourse France has a smaller airforce then for example the US.
The only way to find out who is better is a paintball fight, so no one gets hurt.
Viva la France ! From Greece !
Clever and smart engineering always beats Dollars being chucked at a project ..well done Rafalle Love from England
That's sad GB chose F-35. It would have been great to see french and british sister aircraft carriers launching Rafales (which is btw STOBAR capable)
thank u bro
I have to disagree. The UK already has a Rafale type aircraft, in the Typhoon. The F35 is providing a different sort of capability, which the UK hasn't has before, stealth.
Not having stealth in your arsenal is a handicap.
@@johnsmith-wv4jw Well, Rafale and Typhoon have in common only the fact they have two engines and two wings. Even canards are not the same since they don't provide the same function. Typhoon is an high altitude high speed interceptor they tweaked to be a mediocre mud mover, lacking AESA radar and with basic electronic warfare systems. Rafale is a polyvalent fighter who shines especially in low altitude penetration and A2G fitted with one of the most powerful EWS actually in service on an aircraft and has naval version.
Oh, and it doesn't shoot itself like F-35, it can fly near storms, doesn't asphyxiate its pilots, doesn't overheat forcing to fly with open bays, can aim without bugs, doesn't melt flying deck, cost 50% less in maintenance, is more maneuverable, is actually less visible in IR on 360° thanks to the F135 and its bays and while of course having bigger RCS, it still can operate in stealth operation due to its design and its sensors, able to detect targets on passive mode, targetting them and sending payload without active sensor activated, only passing on the payload onboard seeker when reaching the NEZ. If the target doesn't detect the missile being launched (and all airplanes, stealth or not are on the same boat with that since MAWS don't care about the plane who launches the missile it can detect), that's a end of the day for it Meteor and Mica being far more dangerous than AMRAAM in terminal efficiency with a larger NEZ and a better chance to hit the target in a GTFO maneuver.
The plane is so shitty that even the USAF don't want it.
@@DC2022 There is very little to choose between the Rafale and Typhoon in the real world. Don't believe French propaganda in this area. As for AESA radar, Typhoons are being upgraded with it and customers can order it if they really want it.
The Rafale is not a stealth aircraft and EW doesn't make up for that. Otherwise why are the French developing a 5th generation stealth aircraft of their own? If they can use the budget ew option, why develop stealth tech?
The F35 is not a failure, for the simple reason it is having vast amounts of American money thrown at it. Sure they had to make compromises to make it a stealth aircraft and some of its more advanced systems are having teething troubles but that is true of all advanced combat aircraft programs.
There is no point comparing the F35 and Rafale because they are designed to operate in different ways. The point of an F35, in air to air mode, is to detect opponent first and engage them first. It isn't designed to get involved in a close range dogfight with Rafales.
Neither does it have to, the Americans have their teen series fighters and F22 for that. The RAF has the Typhoon.
The reality is, there is a hole in French capabilities, which will be there till there next gen stealth aircraft is in service.
rafale is alsow equiped with an helmet mounted display, it can even guide missiles
Meh, this guy even not mention the thing which is the best and unique in Rafale, S.P.E.C.T.R.A.
Nice show. Thank you for the hard work.
One very important criteria when using these Aircraft during war time : the rafale is able to carry out more missions than the F35 without heavy maintenance, moreover it is more reliable.The operational availabity has been proven far more better during all the misions over afghanistan or syria. Four Rafales were able to log more missions than a dozen of US air force aircraft. Philosophy, quality Vs quantity.
Less money used more efficiently ,this with skilled and well trained staff (pilot&field personnel) you got a recognised strike force.
Exactly ! Couldn't told it better !
People are often biased and influenced, that they are missing and even not able to understand the all points of what's really important and matter, in case of a real battle/conflict/war.
That is actually untrue. 3F coded F-35s now require far less maintenance than does the Rafale. Early test articles of the F-35 are no longer used in combat coded squadrons.
@@jingorooroad2559 Biased and influenced? If that is your argument you are clutching at straws. The real data is easily found in public.
@@dat581 Hahahahaha f35 fanboys are always very funny bunch of BS. Yeah 99% of experts are telling opposite of what you said, but you the pseudo TH-cam anonymous fake specialist, you know more than them and anybody else. Come on dude, just lost all your credibility in one speech !
2020 was a pathetic year for f35, until the end. Many crashed f35, stuck on the ground suddenly after flying, even shooted itself alone, and much more.
Yeah America always the best, blablabla... if you listen USA they're always the best, nobody come close ... But USA is not even capable to won and ended the Taliban ?! Thanks for the laughing moment.
They should be recoding the guy who is responsible of the last crashed f35. Return to make sands castle. Bye
But rafale will have a SAM up the m88..
Rafale is good against isis in land cruisers but against SAM like s400 the pilot will be punching out
The French Rafale !
For Australia the Rafale's twin engines and much more effective range are an advantage. Maint down time and cost are a factor too but not mentioned here.
Considering the huge deal Australia has made with France on submarines, I'd say the Aussies qualify for a gold customer discount on any Rafale purchase.
@@sspicyyful Wonder if a Rafale deal could be substituted for the subs.
@@sspicyyful seriously ? 🤐
@@FairladyS130 je pense qu'actuellement, sa soit très peu probable dut à la "traîtrise" du gouvernement Australien et Américains
@@tristangrellier8482 A lot has changed in 7 months eh.
Thanks for this incredible video!!!
Croatia just bought 12 french Rafale.. 2 two-seater and 10 single-seater
it is to be forgiven about the 2018 World Cup 😉
I wish the French army had chosen the Croatian assault rifle VHS2. That thing is beautiful!
@@MrSatelit28 yeah, would have been more adapted imo
Okay people, place your bets, who's gonna start speaking Croatian first?
@@MrSatelit28 The reason we didn't pick it is because our elites are submitted good dogs to Germany.
It is likely that we'll build another assault rifle soon enough though to replace the famas.
Rafale can also stay in the air for longer periods of time before refueling.
That does not make it better. The F35 has a different role than the Rafale.
@@bighands69 I didn't say one was better than the other, that's very subjective. Combat aircraft roles depend on many parameters, from area geography to threat-types and geopolitical standing etc. They can be configured and sold as per requirement.
@@bighands69 the rafale is litteraly omnirole, he can bomb and dogfight in the same flight, which the f35 is incapable, how the f35 has better roles ?
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The F35 has jump configurations making it perfect for activities where no airfield is available.
@FUCK SHIT
Marines will be using it for hopping.
The French Rafale clearly !!!
a great,objective review , thanks for sharing . I didn’t notice commentary on the Rafale’s Specter ew suite ? One of Specter’s functions is supposed to be ‘active stealth capability’ , I’d be very interested in an objective commentary on the topic , apparently such a function effectively reduces the Rafale’s RCS from 1sq m to 0,06 sq m ? I’d be really keen for commentary ?
Rafale is so special!!! My favorite fighter ever!!! Viva la France!!!
whats so special about it?
@@michaelgalus5833 It's very versatile both in terms of role and different missions it can accomplish and literally versatile in dogfights, because it can turn faster than most others. It has 2 engine which is a huge bonus for many reasons and can carry a big varriety of different weapons, among them ,the famous Meteor, Mica, Scalp etc. It has stealth abilities and can lock many different targets, that it's radars can automatically identify and categorize, showing what's most important to hit.
Most pilots I know, when I ask them, what would you choose to go to Combat, they reply " Rafale"
@@greekveteran2715 where do i even start with this?
@@michaelgalus5833 It could be worse, If I provided the manual instead! lol
@@greekveteran2715 like saying most people like pepsi more then coke
1 - lots of jets have 2 engine;s
2 - other jets have a better rate turn
3 - delta from Dassault very common
4 - meteor missle now same classed as china PL 15 and AIM-260 JATM * though meteor is getting an update, lots of jets use the meteor, UK,Ge, ans so forth
5- its not stealth
6 - most fighters have same radar cap
should i go on?
listen i am not saying its not a execlent air frame i like it !
Great video!
Only one thing ( 7:37 ): the Storm Shadow, not present on the Rafale's payload capacity, is the British equivalent of the French SCALP. The SCALP is not a strategic missile, but a standoff precision strike missile, which the Rafale can carry on two pylons. The nuclear weapon the Rafale can carry is the ASMP-A, a standoff tri-sonic missile equipped with a ramjet.
100% Rafale win!!,....The right choice for the Indonesian Air Force and as the first country in Southeast Asia to operate the Rafale F4.
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F4 will go first to india
F35 is a lot better
@@kuolevijyrkinen4675 ......its a bomber more than a fighter jet
@@Dangermonkey1000 Yeah? What's your point?
Great video. It could however be better with a section about maintenance and availability. It's one area where the F- 35 struggles due to being a much younger plane.
You sell to one of the most trustworthy ally ( Greece ) 18 and now we seriously consider 6 more. Also, France will build 4 of the best new Frigates for Greece. The First will be build in France and the other 3 in Greece. And to prove how trustworthy we are to our European allies, France will also deliver the know-how and transfer the technology, something only Greece has the advantage to receive the tech behind the Frigates.
They will give you a 20 years old tech ? 2001 for Rafale.
@@ericlarbouillat
...The Rafale of today has nothing to do with the one of 2001, we keep them up to date.
It's like saying that the American Abrams is outdated because it dates from 1981.
This is nonsense. There are modern variants of the Rafale (Rafale B, C, M, F2, F3, etc... now F4 on the way) , just as there are modern variants of the Abrams. (M1A1, M1A2 etc... To the M1A2 SEP v3)
We're giving you the tech as well???
I wonder if that's alright xPPP
We always sacrifice our industries in France and the elites don't protect our interests.
We're always happy to help Greece tough.
I like how the US spends 400 billion on the F-35 program and France spends 46 billion euros on the Rafale program and theirs is better
Actually, the US spent 1.7 trillion total on the F-35 program. but yeah, your point still stands.
Americans never spend everything on one thing who know what they develop while pumping money in f35
@@michaeldalapo9730 how many houses, homles, school, factory could have been don’t for that 1700 billions….
U forgot the black ops projects like black birds, x-37b and the next gen space weapons.
The costs are actually much closer than you think when you look at how few Rafales there are, versus how many multi-variant JSF there are. Development costs are about the same as well, since there are a few Rafale variants, including one for carrier-borne operations (Rafale M), which should be compared with the F-35C. Acquisition costs are much higher for the Rafale because unit costs are almost twice of what the F-35A is now, though the first 300 F-35s were really expensive. Unit cost now for F-35A is $77.9 million, whereas Rafale F4 is $144 million.
Greece has no debate because ordered both of them
Greece didn't order F-35 yet.
@ cry greece has also f16viper with these rafales and f35 and u got f4 still!haha lame
@@tasostasos5530 you are so mature. I am just starting the fact that Greece didn't yet ordered any F-35. Now go and play in kindergarten.
@ akcay greece ordered the f35 and we w8 the congress aprovement
@@antongcollector3873 Could you please share a source for that? All I see is just intention.
We're buying 12 Rafale for almost a billion € 😁🇭🇷
Only 12?
Indonesia buys 45 😀
@@rezabolang646 we don't need more, countries near us are weak and not ready for an air war and the strong ones are our allies, we need them just to train the pilots and defend airspace
Which country ??
@@AryanMahipal croatia bro...
The problems, drawbacks and performances of the Rafale and F-35s are well known.
For the Rafale, it's mainly the length of the money gathering that is clearly the top 1 hindrance. It took years to have enough money to even start the previewed evolutions (active helmets, 360° radar coverage, etc...). So it takes time but the plane is good, it has no real technical problem and is actively developped ... as long as the engineers are paid !
The main force and domaine of expertise of the F-35 is stealth. It is extremely difficult to spot and target at long distances. Even with AWACS cover and guidance, intercepting a F-35 patrol is incredibly hard, except for certain types of radars of course. This problems disappear when AM defenses of the Rafale detects incoming missiles... Or the AWACS of course, because opening a bay to fire is everything but stealth.
That is also the Achille's heel of the plane. To have enough munitions to carry on multiple missions on one flight, it has to carry weapons on external pods under the wings. What is the stealthiness of bombs and reservoirs under the wings ???
But the main drawback of the F-35 is its cost and its high technicity. This plane should have been able to replace F-16 in a light multirole fighter. But its price is 4 times heavier, it is quite a nightmare to maintain, and what about the use in harsh conditions of real fighting (sand and dust for example like in deserts). Does its "magical" stealth coating will resist ?
I'm definitely sure that TODAY the Rafale is battle-ready and far more efficient than the F-35. But i'm alos sure that, with the amount of money thrown away for the F-35 program, the plane will be fine with a few more years of developpement. See you in 10 years !
dans 10 ans le F 35 devra encore attendre 30 ans 😂
@@newman04 Il a bien fallu 20 ans pour mettre au point le Rafale.
@@HenriBourjade le problème du F35 c est qu'il veut courir plus vite que la music il veut faire un avion de chasse au-delà des limites de ce qui est possible de nos jours d'où les problématiques que cet avion leur pose. Rafale est l un des meilleurs voir le meilleur tout simplement parcequ ils adaptent l avions a l époque, au possible avec des mises à jour. Le F35 veut déjà voller plus vite que la lumière et il est la tout le problème. un exemple tout bête les voitures sans passagers existent déjà malheureusement Elles ne peuvent voir le jour parceque les routes ne le permettent pas. Moralité.. Il faut vivre avec son temps et non pas vouloir aller au-delà.
French Raffale
Extremely well documented and kind of impartial. Congrats!
Glad you liked it!
Any country would be lucky to have jets like these. I want one too!
My understanding is .... the F35 stealth feature of "golf-ball" cross section is maintained as long as the internal weapons are the only weapons used. I heard the stealth advantage reduces notably when external weapons are added on the wings. In addition, I heard the semi-stealth of Rafael should not be understated in addition to its stealth tools which are said to be classified. Finding F35 is like finding a needle in a hay-stack (with current sensor tech), but Rafael is like finding a screw driver in a hay-stack (not very easy)
Rafale...from the Uk. “Vive la France” 😎
I agree. The French haven't fought well for years however.
Well Put Paul. I don't have any bad feelings toward the Queen. As an American I don't care much for a monarchy . Relatives caught a boat to escape serfdom, and won a war against them.
@@christopherw4527 Americans haven't fough well recently, especially in Vietnam for example. Also, their illegal invasion of Irak is quite a failure regarding local "stabilisation".
Moreover, are you sure USA don't care for monarchy ? You still use officially imperial units after all. Only country doing that btw. Are you still a british colony ?
@@christopherw4527 Do they won only by their own? I can't remember ...
Another F-35 fanboy who ignores that the Rafale is equipped with an AESA radar.
F-35 Fanboy if anything he underscored the f-35 he neglected the fact that a combat loaded rafale is not more maneuverable than an f-35 and didn't mention the f-35's networking capabilities
even F35 is equipped right? do you have a reason to mention it as an advantage only for Rafale?
@@dneth19 it's advantage is due to its lack of parasitic drag it would be more maneuverable than a rafale think of it like this a rafale is restricted to Mach 0.9 and a 3G turn when under full load when comparison to an f-35 which while under a load of 4 amraams can achieve Mach 1.6 and a 7g turn
@@dneth19 Take it as an advantage over the F-35 of you want. I just wanted to stress that the author of this footage missed one important feature of the Rafale.
@@spartanx9293 Note that 4 missiles is not a full load for rafale.
With this Air to air payload (and more ...), the rafale is still authorized to fly supersonic and turn at 9g / -3g. This is the case for usual jets, the limiting factor for 9g is still the pilot.
Merci 😛😛😛 I'd like to see an Eurofighter vs Rafale video 🤔🤔🤔
The F-35 is so stealth, no one has ever seen it flying!
f35 is not faster more capable to carry wepon then rafeal and rafeal have the best redar system f35 stealth technology work 80/ so rafeal can be better
@@harghartiranga2606 india ke paas rafale he esliye but f35 is better
cause they keep crashing...
@@bharatmatakechutmelorabhar4390 f35 redar se bchne me best hai lekin rafael sbse best redar aur headpoints rkhne me best hai means attack ke miss hone ke chance km hai + f35 se bdhiya f22 raptor hai jisko america ne dusre desho me bechne se ban kiya hua hai rafael ne usko bhi easly lock kiya hai rafael attacker type hai
@@bharatmatakechutmelorabhar4390 f35 kisi deshme bomb gira kr aa skta hai pr bat dogfight ki aayegi to vo dusre jet pr attack krne ke lie bdhiya nhi hai
Raphale has crasy efficient jamers, they went though ground to air defenses many times without without a worry. They also detect heat and furtive planes.
It is a good craft but cannot be compared to the F35 which is far more technologically advance and will be used differently than a Raphael.
The F35 can be used as a Jump Jet, Steal recon, air to air fighter as well as a ground attack craft.
It would be better to compare a Raphale to a F16 or F18. It would be unfair for example to compare a Raphale to a F22 and the same applies to an F35.
@@bighands69 Rafale was used as ELINT and SIGINT bird in Lybia and Syria since it has a better onboard electronic suit than F-35 and more than on par with F-22 on this topic. It is designed to be good at EVERY role, from A2A, interception, loitering, CAS, A2G, recon, nuke deterence.
The only thing the F-35 has over the Rafale is internal bay and it comes at a cost the F-35 pays everywhere else. Sure the AN/AGP-81 si more powerful than the RBE2 AA and AESA, but you know what? Rafale doesn't rely on its radar unlike the F-35 and against a Rafale, the more powerful your radar is the vulnerable you become because the french will detect you longtime before you do. It is not as stealth as the F-35 but that's a damn sneaky bastard nevertheless and it has SPECTRA to detect the powerful radars and triangulate their position and then shoot silently a METEOR or rely the target position to another Rafale/plateform to let them do the killing shot.
And doing this, the Rafale will not asphyxiate its pilot, lose its coating because it spent over 1 minute over mach 1, crash its ownboard computer, overheat, or fries its electronic due to ESD. And no I'm not joking, that's some of the EIGHT HUNDRED issues the current versions of the F-35 are suffering. FIFTEEN YEARS after its first flight! TWENTY ONE if we count the X-35!
Excuse me but Rafale has an activ radar ( AESA ) since 2012 like the F-35 and Rafale has it 's famous SPECTRA , an electronic stealth system based on activ cancellation ! it 's the base to know about rafale
The part on AESA is true, but the radar used by the F35 is far better (this guess is based on the number of antennas of each radar).
Rafale's active stealth however is probably a myth. It has never been confirmed by official sources or observed by reliable witnesses.
@@axanarahyanda628 the radar of rafale has less antennas ( built in the usa) .
The Spectra is not a myth , the sensors activ are put on the frame to avoid movement and vibration of the wing because the activ cancellation need high precision to send wave anti radar.
Dassault is working on the second generation spectra more efficient. Dassault work on activ cancellation since the 80 's. They are specialist.
@@axanarahyanda628 rafale has too a special paint anti radar when they attack first, they have use it in libya. They use it only for special operation limited. a friend of mine has said it to me. He has seen them. They remove the paint after because it is fragile.
It 's why libyan air force has seen nothing when the rafale has entered in their air zone or too late or too small .
@@stephen10. Spectra benefits from vibrationless sensors anyway, it is not a proof of an active cancellation capability. I maintain there is no official confirmation of such capability.
I have never read about radar absorbent paint being used on this plane either, and "my friend told me so" is not a proof. Removing stealth paint after a mission sounds pointless, since the paint is lost anyway. At least this claim is more plausible than the active cancellation since paint has no prerequisite.
The Rafale has stealth features, but not the ones above. Or it has not been officially unveiled yet. I think the surprise effect in Lybia is more due to careful path planning and low altitude flight (both help greatly to hide from radars). Of course, the Rafale stealthy features help, but it is not the focus of this jet.
@@axanarahyanda628 at Libya Raffale bomb places and pass nt detected
Hello, I am French and I want to thank you for your video. Based on data from your videos alone, I think the F-35 would be the winner in a fight to the death against the Rafale, but that doesn't mean the F-35 is better than the Rafale or vice versa.
Each of these planes was designed to serve a specific purpose. I think the main thing is whether these planes both meet the objectives assigned to them.
If from the start the French engineers had the task of designing an aircraft capable of destroying American fighter jets, perhaps today the Rafale would outclass the F-35 or not?
When the plane was designed, there was never (in my opinion) any question of waging war on the United States. The United States is not an immediate threat to France but a solid partner
These planes appear to be of relatively similar strength, and that's a good thing.
What ensures peace in the world is not to be strong or stronger than others, but that there are sufficiently homogeneous power relations.
this explains why nervousness arises when a country begins to mobilize soldiers, move troops, etc. because that is already enough to considerably modify the balance of power.
The first moments of a war are crucial, missing the start of a war led by surprise by the enemy can be catastrophic for the victim of this aggression because they are not necessarily prepared to absorb the shock or to counter-attack. . .
imagine then that a country is already considerably ahead of military technology compared to its neighbor without having moved any army or mobilizing any citizen ....
The important thing is to know how to understand for yourself (your camp) and your potential adversary that a mutual war would be of no interest so there is a greater chance that everyone will stay at home.
Finally ... an intelligent reply. My respect.
Only none-biased opinion I have seen on here from someone who is not a child or just ignorant.
"missing the start of a war led by surprise by the enemy can be catastrophic for the victim of this aggression ". This was the reason for the Harrier's introduction. It's a certainty that the F-35B VTOL version was designed for the same reason primarily, and not only for operation off ships.
I read in different magazines (UK, Germany, India) that Rafale was the best aircraft in the world, 100% polyvalent, and extremely maneuverable vs. comparable competitors. I am not surprised, given that Dassault built another incredible aircraft: the Mirage 2000.
Then why did the UK and Germany buy the F35's ? maneuverability dosent matter in modern air combat as most battles are fought at bvr and there is no need for fancy air maneuvere's. Stealth is the way to go, its like a dreadnought effect yet a lot of countries arent making use of it including france.
@@generalmcarthur8401 The answer to your question is simple: politics.
@@JM-tj3np Its the multi star generals who look at the f35 and buy it not the politician's. I mean look at canada, the politicians didnt want to buy the F35 the first time then when the second procurement program happened the generals A.K.A people who know their stuff, still chose the F35. Finland is another example, they have been influence by the Soviet Union and later Russia since 1945 and they still bought the F35. The answer to my question is that the F35 is simply a much better aircraft that any advantage the opposition has is just blown away by the performance of the F35.Hell just the avionics is enough to make it more advanced than any other jet on the planet.
@@generalmcarthur8401 Greece, Egypt, Indonesia, India, Qatar, Croatia, UAE have purchased the Rafale. If the F-35 is so great, why are these countries buying the Rafale? Yes, the F-35 is a stealth aircraft but it has been proven again and again that the Rafale is overall a better aircraft. Of course, there are other reasons explaining why a country buys aircraft A vs. aircraft B, like maintenance cost, political pressure, deployment limitation, geopolitics, etc.
@@JM-tj3np Lemme tell you why, cause the F35 isnt offered to them. The rafale is not overall the better aircraft. Its the dreadnought effect all over again just now nobody is utilizing it. For a country that dosent have much money and need cheap aircraft, yes it is the better aircraft but any country which has the money to buy the F35 will buy it if it is offered to them. Even greece want's the F35's judging from recent event's when US ambassador said that Greece was gonna be in the F35 program. Rest of em either dont have money or are on the US naughty list.
The Rafale can almost double is weight when carrying additional tanks, bombs and missiles
F-35 had a max take off weight of 70,000 pounds while raffle had 54,000 so f-35 actually has more with wing mounted hard points
@@apex_blue Rafale C (single seater): empty weight 9850 kg, max 24500kg (*2.49). F-35A 13290kg as empty weight, 31750kg as MTOW (*2.39). Which one is the most efficient on this point ?
@@apex_blue And F35 with wing hard point just loses the only advantage it has over rafale it's stealth.
So basicaly.... just go with rafale if you want playload
@@TheLoxapac yeah but the f-35 is still stealthier in beast mode than the raffle is normally especially When they finish the stealth missiles for it and maybe those stealth pods.
@@apex_blue not really, with hardpoints loaded both are really vulnerable , and when locked , especially with IR , only agility can save you.
And F35 is the oposite from an agile plane, when Rafale is the archeype
In a dogfight it's all about handling the Rafale has the air superiority, in other situations I believe they are equal
Nop... F-35 is better... Speaking of issues remaining
Dogfightes are just in the movies.
It depends on what you want. In terms of avionics, the Rafale is superior, it's just more agile, faster, has more range, and is just generally more capable as a flying machine, and by quite a gap. It's like comparing a race car to an SUV. In a direct dog fight (which doesn't happen that often in modern air combat, but still, it's a possibility) the F35 would have no chance against a Rafale, since the Rafale could literally run circles around the F35.
If you need to destroy stuff, the Rafale is superior too, because it can carry more firepower for close and distant targets wherever they are. But in terms of situational awareness, the F35 has more modern sensor tech and integration with sensors from other units of the military, so it would be harder to detect it and the F35 would have an easier time of taking down enemy targets before they know what hit them.
So individually in isolation, the Rafale is definitely a better fighter jet, but as a group of jets or integrated with other military units during a mission, the F35 would make up for what it lacks in other areas by using superior stealth and integration and bridge the gap. But that's still just a theory, since the F35's ability is not proven in the real world, while the Rafale has shown how capable it is many times.
Still, for how much money was put into the F35 project and considering it's essentially 15-20 years newer than the Rafale depending on how you look at it (Rafale first flight 1986, officially in military 2001, while F35 first flight 2006, officially in military 2012), it's hard to look at it as anything other than a bit of a disappointment. Imagine what Dassault would have come up with if they had the same budget available while developing the Rafale.
BeyerT1----screw you man, you wrote a damn book instead of a short comment!
lol just pop a sidewinder before they can see you and le baguette is gone.
If the F35 uses L16,
it's not stealth anymore.
Rafale can share data as well
And actually does it better.
@@vignasimp2835 it seems you don't know Rafale's SPECTRA. It will detect the sidewinder before it is fired. It will also detect the F35 long before you can imagine. And the fatso pinguin is gone.
@@alexdarcydestsimon3767 Lol no, the F-35s AN-239 EW suite will jam the spectra, not to mention the stealthy airframe
Are we sure that the F-35... flies ?
This is important for a jet !
i mean, why wouldnt it?
@Thomas Lopaul only one crashed in its 5 years of active duty, not to mention it never happened on US soil or even airspace for that matter, the info regarding the cause of the crash is still not known so you can't tell me it crashes a lot when there's only one confirmed crash that doesn't even have vehicular failure as a possibility considering the circumstances and the events leading up to the crash.
@Thomas Lopaul there are more F-35s built than Rafale. Both aircraft with a pretty small number of crashes. F-35, in fact, has a better safety record than Rafale. Rafale is all hype. Just like dassault's nonsensical claim of "omnirole" capability. Rafale is merely an F-18C hornet with better avionics
@Thomas Lopaul le Rafale costed india 240 million per unit or 170 million per unit for 36 aircraft built if you do not include the extra logistics, weapons, and upgrades. The F-35 per unit cost for belgium was 133 million including all of those things. Your Rafale's operational costs are also excessively expensive given its lack of capability in comparison to the F-35.
Also, do you know how to do basic math? Let's try this, there have been 4 F-35 crashes and 595 built. 3 Rafale crashes and 201 aircraft built. 1/67 Rafale crashes. 1/148 F-35s crash. So what the hell are you talking about? Did you even bother to google this stuff before writing your pathetic nonsensical response to me? Out of all the BS Rafale fanboying I've seen, this is the lowest.
@Thomas Lopaul your next Rafale F4 variant only has 838 TR modules compared to the over 1600 on F-35. Rafale lacks any sort of stealth, with marginal RCS reduction and Mach 1.8 capability. Nowhere has active cancellation or "active stealth" been implimented on any real aircraft. No one has said Rafale F4 will be faster. It is an upgrade that switches the radar to gallium nitrate instead of GaAs. It also includes built in towed decoys, expanded electronic warfare, and and helmet mounted sights. All of which ,the F-35 has already :). Do your research. If you were referring to FCAS, thats not Rafale and it won't be flying in operational service until 2040
" NOO-OO! I SAID MY FATHER ITS COOLER THAN YOURS!"
Watching this video made me so much more optimistic.... Until now, the fact that Greece will rely more on Raffales to secure its defense seemed more like a political choice.... now it seems great as a military choice too.
Rafalles seem better than all other fighters at closer distances and this is great for Greece at the short spaces of the Aegean Sea (distance from Limnos to Turkey = just 53 miles = much less than Rafalles and F35 range)
The Rafale, no question!
Le rafale est tout simplement le savoir faire français dans toute sa splendeur.
Et puis il vole et est capable d'accomplir les missions exigées...
@@ferdinanddestouches3085 il est meme capable de voler par temps pluvieux! Pas sur pour le F35...
Dobro dobro 🍺🍻😜👍
C'est du nationalisme pompeux ça.
Je pense qu'il est, dans la pratique, meilleur. Mais juste crier cocorico le rends pas meilleur
Il est plus beau que le F-35
Both are absolutely amazing! I would give the French Rafale the slight edge and I’m sooooo i’m grateful Greece 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 is getting both!!! ✊💪💪🇬🇷🇬🇷
F-35 is a way better aircraft.
Rafale welcome to Croatia!
1.Rafale flies, 2.Rafale executes requested missions. Period.
F35 is flying and doing missions....
@@aztronomy7457 when there is no thunder, after 120 hours maintenance, 30 min only a day.....a good service for 38000 $ 1 hour of flight. LOL
@@XavierLeFrancais yeah your numbers are old and outdated. My best friend flies f35s. Most of the problems have been worked out. Only remaining problem really is the cost per unit.
@@aztronomy7457That has evoluated...You can fight on the numbers, but the problems fundamentaly remains.
@@XavierLeFrancais maintenance costs come down each year as maintainers learn how to be more efficient. Stealth fighters are always going to be harder to maintain because they are more advanced. This is normal for new fighter jets, especially 5th gen. The cost per unit is still inexcusable however, but a large part of that is the political engineering required to get senators to sign off on the jets
Rafael obviously 🙄. Love France from India 🇮🇳❤️🇫🇷
@@himsincha Totally rubbish
@@himsincha would be interesting to see a redflag maneuver with F-35. With all "other" fighters getting milimeter-wave radar (seeing through the stealth from the year 2000), IR-detection, and being both faster and more maneuverable than the F-35... Would be VERY interesting.
(just look at how the swedish Gripen-C deminished the F22 in the last few redflags)
@@himsincha India isn't competing against F35s though, but F 16s which Pakistan possess. And Rafale is way batter than F16s.
Très fier de ce fleuron de nos ingénieur, j'espère pouvoir travailler dessus plus tard...🇨🇵
@@emygnaskvb3503 si tu travail et fait ton max il y'a aucun problème pour cette objectif
Rafale
French military engineering is criminally under rated
Not really. Since France is the third largest arms exporter in the world, not very far behind the United States and Russia. It therefore boxes in a higher category compared to its geopolitical weight. Because French weapons systems are very well recognized.
The plane you were showing in some of your clips was the typhoon!
Un fer à repasser hors de prix comparé à un véritable aéroplane de combat rompu à toutes les options stratégiques et tactiques.
NI PLUS NI MOINS!
The pilot skills plays vital role when the jet is almost similar
Not anymore in today's world.
A low hour pilot with good training is superior to a high hr pilot in an inferior fighter.
Examples:
Chinese PLAAF sent their best pilots in Su-27SK against Royal Thai Air Force Gripen C/D in Falcon Strike, 2015.
In BVR, Gripen with its very small RCS, better radar, longer range AIM-120C, and superior pilot interface resulted in extremely heavy losses for Su-27SK.
Now once they let the exercises progress to WVR, the Su-27SK raped the Gripen because it out-maneuvers it easily, and had more WEZ envelope with the helmet-cued HOBS missiles.
But that didn't really matter if they can't make it to the merge.
Frustrated, the Chinese brought their J-10 fighters, and later J-10Cs with smaller RCS, big AESA radar, and very long range PL-15 missiles and erased all of the Gripen's advantages in BVR, while still easily defeating it in WVR again.
Now if you could make a fighter that had an even smaller RCS, give it better sensors, better pilot interface, and better weapons, a less experienced pilot will have an even greater advantage, regardless of the experience of his adversaries.
@@LRRPFco52 I don't agree with you. There have been a fight simulation training between 5 Rafale, 5 Eurofighter Typhoon and 5 F22 and the rafales won their fight against those two planes while F22 is better than Rafale in Air to Air fight
@@tournitou9750 yeah that true.
Also each year the Tiger Meet is funny to watch when it come to the rafale to show how easy it is to perform any kind of mission 🙂
RAFALE is a deadly Beast, i like it!! CY
Recently, the Rafale's radar has also been upgraded from the RBE2-PESA to the superior RBE2-AESA made by Thalès
10 years ago not recently .
Vive la france!! Love from India ❤️❤️🇮🇳🇫🇷
@Lawrence Weston Why do you kill Black people?
@Lawrence Weston oh I'm so sorry, I just stereotypically "assumed" you went around killing black people as you did back there. Read a book kid 😂
@@veydkurup9746Taught a good lesson to this 10 y.o
love india from france
You can find precise sources for Cost per unit. Around 80m$ for F35 next batch. Around 55m€ (without VAT) for Rafale. And the flight hour cost is around 44k$ for F35 ans 15k€ for Rafale!
De toute façon la TVA est récoltée par l'état.
Voilà enfin des arguments solides. Vous êtes de la partie je suppose?.
@@Lola-kq7jd salut désolé je n'ai pas bien compris la référence
ahh yes remove VAT bc that makes sense
F35 is over priced, except stealth capability nothing near to Rafael
the one with the best long range missile and the best maneuverability in a dogfight ... with the new Meteor missile, Rafale is the best. F35 is a WIP, nothing else. In the future perhaps it will be a good plane but not today.
Both are awesome!
Rafale en force
Rafale is best with 14 hardpoints compering to other jets
From my mechanical engineer perspective, that I also have LT colonels with PhD (science of advance materials) in college, teaching me interesting military stuff, I must address the big elephant in the room:
The F35 is a stealth fighter, for strike first and get out fast with low chances of being detected, now in the other hand the Dassault Rafale is a dog fighter with some adaptability properties, it looks more like a jet design for when you all ready has been spotted and you now the fight is one against all odes.
In my opinion both jet fighters are excellent but for different missions and different scenarios, I think that the F35 would surpass the Rafale in a secret operation to destroy enemies defense and electronic countermeasure, meanwhile the Rafale would surpass the F35 in a classic big air operation against an invasion.
The laser on the F-35 sounds cool, but you would expect some misses... what damadge would that do on ground ? How severe would that damadge be ?