What if you are not the plant, but the soil? And the fire purifies the bad on you(the tares) but leaves what’s good(the wheat)? Why does it have to be all or nothing? Our salvation is said to be a gift, and Jesus every knee shall bend and every tongue confess. Why can not everyone convert once we depart from the flesh, and we all be saved?
Yeah when a pentecostal say I'm baptized with the holy ghost and with fire, it just shows his ignorance. Also when he says with the evidence of speaking with tongues. Paul clearly said, does all speak with tongues? Now I will agree when someone says with the evidence of spiritual gifts, but I can't agree when they say with the evidence of speaking with tongues only
There's 2 different fires. A Holy Fire Baptism fire as in the Book of Acts and a judgement fire. Revelation talks about a Holy Fire that purifies, which is what all Christians should be seeking. In Revelation 8 Jesus said "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." This is the purifying fire we should be seeking and desiring.
You understand when u read all four gospels about John the Baptiste....and dont lose the context... Study and u will understand baptism in fire will happen when King comes again as a Lion
The fire is actually the holy spirit burning out everything that's not God inside you. You need to repent for trying to teach what the holy spirit hasn't revealed to you.
No , I would like to say that I have a different opinion than yours. In the context of Luke chapter 3, that fire doesn't refine noone , that fire burns forever who ever is not worthy and makes no fruits. That fire burns , that fire is the punishment , that is the hell fire!
Baptism of fire is the Holy Ghost, it’s not hell fire this TH-cam channel gets a lot of things wrong don’t believe everything he has to say goto the word it’s self.
Baptized with the Holy Ghost and with fire is to do with burning conviction of the Holy Ghost ,1cor 3 v15 but he himself shall be saved yet so as by fire! It's to keep you out of hell.. at the day of Pentecost, the apostles spoke with tongues like as fire,Act 2v3
this is not accurate. He will purify his people with the Holy fire of the Holy spirit to make us ready. Hell is certainly real but Jesus didnt come to baptize ppl with hell fires.
Well in Orthodoxy Hell and Heaven are not places and both are the same absolute divine glory and absolute love of God, but for virtuous people that are in God's grace is Heaven, and for wicked people in Hell because they are out of God's grace.
@@bobbytechs737 Are you sure? I mean Luke 17:20-23 The Coming of the Kingdom of God 20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.” 22 Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23 People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them.
@@gilgamesh7652 their is no problem with that phase and read it fully too understand the real meaning. Remember God said he will judge everyone those found in the book of life will be with him in heaven but those not found will go to the lake of fire(second death)
@@bobbytechs737 God's absolute presence is both the fire that burns in hell and baptizes in heaven. Remember God loves everyone equally and unconditionally, but sometimes love can be painful if your heart is hard. The funny thing old Judaism didn't believe in an afterlife, for the old jews death was the end of the line, God was taking back the breath of life and the mortal soul just died with the body. Now, let's remember that Jesus said that anyone who keeps his word will have eternal life and they will live, imagine a jew of that time seeing a man saying stuff like that, the most normal response would be to stone him. Hades/Sheol was God's storage for the souls of good people that died before Jesus. You know Jesus saved humanity in two different ways in East and West Christianity Example... For Roman Catholics, Jesus saved man and allowed him to reach heaven by paying the price for sin through his death by crucifixion. For the Orthodox, salvation is achieved by Christ's triumph over death in the Resurrection. orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/christcross.aspx
My man. The baptism of fire is only spoken of here in John. The baptism of fire is only referring to the tongues of fire which appeared in the upper room in the heads of the 120 BELIEVERS. This was to indicate to those that the Holy spirit which was promised by Christ had come . There is no baptism of fire as a principle . There are only four baptisms and they are as follows: 1) baptism into Christ : when we believe and are born again we are baptised INTO the body of Christ . This is done by the Holy Spirit baptising us into Christ. 2) baptism with/ into the Holy Ghost: this is when Christ baptises us into the Holy Spirit and we become empowered to fulfill our ministry (s per Peters account in the beginning of the book Acts) 3) Baptism into water: immersed into water by a fellow believer to make a declaration to those around us of what has happened within us. 4) Baptism into the sufferings of Christ: being placed into hard times and difficult times by the world upon us for the stand we have made. We have left the world , out of Sins grip and now the devil torments us ......sufferings not brought on by our stupid choices but sufferings because we stand for Christ. Just like He experienced when He was amongst men and women 2070 years ago
There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! "I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! (Luk 12:49-50 NABO) "For by my wrath a fire is enkindled that shall rage to the depths of the Abyss, Consuming the earth with its yield, and licking with flames the roots of the mountains. (Deu 32:22 NABO) Down I went to the roots of the mountains; the bars of the Abyss were closing behind me forever (Jon 2:7 NABO) 'Who will go down into the abyss?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead) (Rom 10:7 NABO)
@@sethnmarshall Jesus' baptism is when he wields the fiery sword guarding the way to the Tree of Life on the day of vengeance AS judgment, setting up the abomination of desolation in himself, as the Tremple without one stone left standing upon another. It is the sacrifice that makes him to be sin. There was no physical crucifixion. He then returns, within the same generation, to with the burden of sin on him to fulfill the resurrection. it is better to marry than to be on fire. (1Co 7:9 NABO) Jesus is the eternal source of salvation. The everlasting pool of fire and sulfur is for refinging the sinner and removing their impurities. There, the will be tortured... tested for purity, and tormented... questioned or interogated. You are the wheat. Your impurities, or sins, are the chaff that will no longer be remembered.
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I'm glad that somebody put this in words because I've understood this for a long time and this goes directly against what charismatics preach
To spot a false teaching, usually just have to read a few verses before it or after it
So John the Baptist is sending people to SATAN???
Only some charismatics.👍🏻
Sinners and unbelievers will surely burn in the eternal fires of hell, give your life to God now that you are alive
Thank you for so much in my life Jesus for everything ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
praise Jesus Christ amen 💯
What can I say but hallelujah to the Lamb of God
Amen
Amen 🙏
In Jesus name Amen
What if you are not the plant, but the soil? And the fire purifies the bad on you(the tares) but leaves what’s good(the wheat)?
Why does it have to be all or nothing? Our salvation is said to be a gift, and Jesus every knee shall bend and every tongue confess. Why can not everyone convert once we depart from the flesh, and we all be saved?
Yeah when a pentecostal say I'm baptized with the holy ghost and with fire, it just shows his ignorance. Also when he says with the evidence of speaking with tongues. Paul clearly said, does all speak with tongues? Now I will agree when someone says with the evidence of spiritual gifts, but I can't agree when they say with the evidence of speaking with tongues only
Deuteronomy 4:24
1 corinthians 3:13-15
You are truly a blessing by God. Thank you Andrew.
Amen ❤
There's 2 different fires. A Holy Fire Baptism fire as in the Book of Acts and a judgement fire. Revelation talks about a Holy Fire that purifies, which is what all Christians should be seeking. In Revelation 8 Jesus said "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." This is the purifying fire we should be seeking and desiring.
What verse is this?
You understand when u read all four gospels about John the Baptiste....and dont lose the context... Study and u will understand baptism in fire will happen when King comes again as a Lion
Babylon was the fire baptism judgment.
John the baptist is Herod's facade on Zechariah the baptist.
Luke 1
It seems to say Jesus will "baptize" you with fire and "burn up" the chaf. Sounds a bit like two separate events.
Thanks for sharing,
James
God Grace. AMEN and Repent
I need you to elaborate on this, for clarity
The chaff is the leftovers the impurities..
Hosea 6:6
psalms 40:6
proverbs 11:30
proverbs 13:12
proverbs 15:4
Isaiah 66:3
Mark 12:33
The fire is actually the holy spirit burning out everything that's not God inside you. You need to repent for trying to teach what the holy spirit hasn't revealed to you.
with the Holy Ghost AND with fire, conjuction, the fire is the refiners fire
No , I would like to say that I have a different opinion than yours. In the context of Luke chapter 3, that fire doesn't refine noone , that fire burns forever who ever is not worthy and makes no fruits. That fire burns , that fire is the punishment , that is the hell fire!
Baptism of fire is the Holy Ghost, it’s not hell fire this TH-cam channel gets a lot of things wrong don’t believe everything he has to say goto the word it’s self.
John literally explained what the “fire” was a reference to. What would make you think “the fire is the Holy Ghost” ?
Thought Jesus was referring to Pentecost when the Holy Spirit descended with tongues as of of fire. Referred to as the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Baptized with the Holy Ghost and with fire is to do with burning conviction of the Holy Ghost ,1cor 3 v15 but he himself shall be saved yet so as by fire! It's to keep you out of hell.. at the day of Pentecost, the apostles spoke with tongues like as fire,Act 2v3
Speaking in tongues is a sign of the Baptism in Holy Spirit, has nothing to do with the fire from Luke 3 , Matthew 3
this is not accurate. He will purify his people with the Holy fire of the Holy spirit to make us ready. Hell is certainly real but Jesus didnt come to baptize ppl with hell fires.
What was stated in the video that is “not accurate” ?
the baptism of fire of the Holy Spirit not hell itself.
@@lesyaklein9788 did you see to John’s sentence explaining what the fire is reference to?
Well in Orthodoxy Hell and Heaven are not places and both are the same absolute divine glory and absolute love of God, but for virtuous people that are in God's grace is Heaven, and for wicked people in Hell because they are out of God's grace.
Heaven and hell are different places according to the Bible
@@bobbytechs737 Are you sure?
I mean
Luke 17:20-23
The Coming of the Kingdom of God
20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”
22 Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23 People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them.
@@gilgamesh7652 their is no problem with that phase and read it fully too understand the real meaning. Remember God said he will judge everyone those found in the book of life will be with him in heaven but those not found will go to the lake of fire(second death)
@@bobbytechs737 God's absolute presence is both the fire that burns in hell and baptizes in heaven.
Remember God loves everyone equally and unconditionally, but sometimes love can be painful if your heart is hard.
The funny thing old Judaism didn't believe in an afterlife, for the old jews death was the end of the line, God was taking back the breath of life and the mortal soul just died with the body.
Now, let's remember that Jesus said that anyone who keeps his word will have eternal life and they will live, imagine a jew of that time seeing a man saying stuff like that, the most normal response would be to stone him.
Hades/Sheol was God's storage for the souls of good people that died before Jesus.
You know Jesus saved humanity in two different ways in East and West Christianity
Example...
For Roman Catholics, Jesus saved man and allowed him to reach heaven by paying the price for sin through his death by crucifixion. For the Orthodox, salvation is achieved by Christ's triumph over death in the Resurrection.
orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/christcross.aspx
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Trying to understand ❤
The baptism of fire is of the Holy Spirit
The Baptism of fire from Luke chapter 3 , Matthew chapter 3 is the punishment, is the hellfire . Read carefully Luke 3 verse 1-22
Its one final fire God loves all people too much to burn us for eternity
God loves us, but if we dont follow His Son , Christ , that means is us who choose the hellfire .
My man. The baptism of fire is only spoken of here in John. The baptism of fire is only referring to the tongues of fire which appeared in the upper room in the heads of the 120 BELIEVERS. This was to indicate to those that the Holy spirit which was promised by Christ had come . There is no baptism of fire as a principle .
There are only four baptisms and they are as follows:
1) baptism into Christ : when we believe and are born again we are baptised INTO the body of Christ . This is done by the Holy Spirit baptising us into Christ.
2) baptism with/ into the Holy Ghost: this is when Christ baptises us into the Holy Spirit and we become empowered to fulfill our ministry (s per Peters account in the beginning of the book Acts)
3) Baptism into water: immersed into water by a fellow believer to make a declaration to those around us of what has happened within us.
4) Baptism into the sufferings of Christ: being placed into hard times and difficult times by the world upon us for the stand we have made. We have left the world , out of Sins grip and now the devil torments us ......sufferings not brought on by our stupid choices but sufferings because we stand for Christ. Just like He experienced when He was amongst men and women 2070 years ago
There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! "I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! (Luk 12:49-50 NABO)
"For by my wrath a fire is enkindled that shall rage to the depths of the Abyss, Consuming the earth with its yield, and licking with flames the roots of the mountains. (Deu 32:22 NABO)
Down I went to the roots of the mountains; the bars of the Abyss were closing behind me forever (Jon 2:7 NABO)
'Who will go down into the abyss?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead) (Rom 10:7 NABO)
Sounds like a cult.
@@sethnmarshall
Jesus' baptism is when he wields the fiery sword guarding the way to the Tree of Life on the day of vengeance AS judgment, setting up the abomination of desolation in himself, as the Tremple without one stone left standing upon another. It is the sacrifice that makes him to be sin. There was no physical crucifixion. He then returns, within the same generation, to with the burden of sin on him to fulfill the resurrection.
it is better to marry than to be on fire. (1Co 7:9 NABO)
Jesus is the eternal source of salvation. The everlasting pool of fire and sulfur is for refinging the sinner and removing their impurities. There, the will be tortured... tested for purity, and tormented... questioned or interogated. You are the wheat. Your impurities, or sins, are the chaff that will no longer be remembered.
@@quetzelmichaels1637 please provide the chapter/chapters and verse/verses to confirm this .😊
@@sethnmarshall might sound like a cult to the person who is perishing but to the believers it is life and life in abundance....... hallelujah!!!!!!
I don't think that what the mean of the baptism of fire mean.
This is heretic... Baptism with fire isn't hell fire bro... Stop
It’s amazing in the Christian religion there were never black people
The eunech in Acts 8 was black; he was from Ethiopia.
Amen
Amen 🙏