If the lock is possible to take apart, you could file some false gates in the discs and have a really good bike lock. The physical security of this is already pretty good.
This was a good video and a decent lock at a fair price. I liked the pick you modified, your work looked good. I would enjoy videos on shop stuff like that ... builds, modifications, and even design. You could put your own spin, on some of what AvE does. Perhaps you could build, a ... Rube Goldberg destructive tester even?
OMG he's married! I guess she chose him for his manners. But now has to put up with him using anything in the house for his hobby... even the ring rack gets disassembled. What will come of this... at least I assume they are still 'binding' ?
Hello LockPickingLawyer and friends! May be you can tell, which U-locks and models for chain are more reliable and resistant to tampering and pick? I choose from ABUS, Xena, Cryptonite... Thanks and good luck!
14 months on and I've got an update on this lock. It seems that Asda in the UK are selling a Bell mini U lock and 900mm of chain called the Rampage 300 for £15.00. The U lock appears to be the same as the one Oxford sell with 1m of chain for considerably more. I've personally always favoured shorter chains because there's less for the thieves to get at. Both Bell and Oxford rate as [4] High security level. Plus, Bell are insuring it for $500 against theft of a cycle by opening or breaking the lock by force - in UK, Canada and USA except NY. Not sure if this extends to motorcycles, but it's a possible indicator of how confident they are in the lock.
are they insuring USED bikes too? because douche bag kryptonite doesn't. they want to see a receipt proving you purchased the bike brand new. so if you received the bike as a gift or found one, they WON'T insure it. that's shady low and wrong.
@lockpicklawer hey your videos are great. What lock and chain would you recommend for an expensive electric scooter? I am looking for something very secure
Me and my friend had this model of lock and chain on our motorbikes when they were stolen a while ago, the thieves just used bolt-cutters on the chains instead of picking it.
Jonny: ... Keep in mind ALL chains can be cut with bolt cutters of the appropriate size ... and if the thieves don't mind making noise? cordless disc grinders will cut through anything else on the market :( ... unfortunately this is why we have available, insurance for our valuables
The largest I have personally used were 72" (6 foot tall) and could cut through 3/4 steel concrete reinforcing rod with no problem .. normal use by two guys ... but a few of the biggest guys on the crew, could handle them on their own ... 60" (5 foot tall) bolt cutters are commonly available today ... I must add however these tools are very expensive and not used often used by common thieves (they would normally sell the bolt cutters first)
The previous model of this lock could be opened with a pen lid, so this is a huge improvement. Chain not the best but park next to a better bike secured with a shitty cable and its good enough. Absolutely not for motorcycles, only low value peddle bikes and mopeds. The area I live in is moderately shitty and they just go for the easier targets.
Had this exact same thing. Dickheads managed to cut through the chain itself. Didn't even care about the lock, just...yeah, found a way to slice right through it.
Here a polish guy attacking this product ... yeah grinder will cut it , but then what would it not cut ? th-cam.com/video/JDD8DZ6pzI8/w-d-xo.html 11 min clip Here Bosnianbill cutting locks and chains . th-cam.com/video/cbYVmRNzGLc/w-d-xo.html 7 min clip
@@pete_lind fortunately / unfortunately most people that steal bikes don't care about picking locks at all, and will just attack with pliers, bolt cutters and angle grinders. at least it means we don't need super secure padlocks, and you can always buy a beefier chain. This is why its always best to keep your chain as far from the ground as possible. being able to rest whatever you are cutting on a solid surface makes it so much easier. from personal experience i needed to cut down some M8 threaded rod. the vices i have at home is a swivel vice for painting model planes and it took me 15 minutes to hacksaw through just 1. ended up taking it to work (and the same hacksaw blade) and used one of the bench mounted vices there. lets just say i had the other 3 cut to length in 5 minutes just because of a stable cutting platform.
Nice vid and workaround LPL. They're a lot more experiencive in the UK. £27 is the cheapest I've seen. That's what in Dollars? $37? Either way, I like the lock, which seems very pick resistant to ordinary mortals, but apparently according to comments, the chain is weak.
Really enjoy your videos, you may have already eluded to my question however what padlock would you buy to protect a bicycle. Keep up the good work love from 🇬🇧
Won't pass the bolt cutters test. I guess that's to be expected, but still, don't buy it. Hell, just don't buy low/medium quality bike locks in general, spend a lot of money and get the thickest chain you can. It's worth the investment, speaking as a guy who lost his motorcycle after thieves just...cut right through it. Same one in video too (hard to tell the exact thickness. Honestly looks thinner than mine, but I've got small hands, so yeah). Oxford themselves do thicker chains that, I assume, use the same lock. Just, yeah, spend a little extra. Don't make the same mistake I did.
Mine is beginning to stick when I use it with my keys and it's only about six years old and I use it every day. I have to made sure it's dry and lube it but it's still sticking; is it time to get a new one?
Question, I have a new york forgetaboutit mini u lock with an 18mm steel shackle I am looking for a gold standard chain that will fit through the links 1meter in length if possible, can you recommend anything, please?
Always find your videos interesting. Have you considered the hiplok bike locks? I am curious is they are more secure or mostly focused on convenience. Plus it uses a lock type I don't believe you have picked on camera before.
LockPickingLawyer Makes sense, couldn't get one as a review product from the company? I use one of their chains, its really nice to carry with me and its rated secure gold for what it's worth.
My plan is to try and get a 14mm lock with alarm and chain as they appear to be the strongest ones which I can also somewhat carry around. Then there's the good old baseball bat for if the alarm goes off at 3am.
I own a machete and ide cut the fuckers hands off if trying to steal my motorbikes ,mess with my wife but don’t touch my bikes,gota have your priorities right 😂🏍🇬🇧❤️
So can you tell me, Are you showing us how difficult it is to pick this lock or how easy it is? and how many of your average crooks would have enough skill and know how let alone picks to pick these locks?
The design of that lock looks a lot like the Bell Catalyst 550. Same body and construction but a different core. Wonder who OEMs these. Pics: imgur.com/a/AeHdG
ZeroColdx911 bolt croppers go through these chains a piece of piece if at home use a ground anchor lock, your bikes only as secure as what it’s attached to,and cover it if they can’t see it they usually leave it alone .
I suspect some of Oxford security products are manufacture by a Chinese lock company Tonyon. Some of the u lock and chain are pretty similar with the same ART approval number. www.tonyon.com/test/gsl/prouductven.asp?id=495
In my own opinion, that’s a good lock if you have to make your own tools to pick the lock! I guess you won’t be buying your wife any rings for now!! (just kidding!!)
Chain is great but I don't recommend the HD locks in any way as they don't stand the elements. I have had two both of which got corroded and jammed after a couple of years.
Calling it heavy duty is a misnomer in my opinion. Both the lock and chain can be cut with a cutting disc in an angle grinder in about 15 seconds each.
TBH. I was expecting much better quality. I am very disappointed. Mine was cut using heavy duty cutters in a matter of seconds. They cut one of the links and metal just crushed.
Hes an expert, I've been lock picking as hobby for about a year and can't do 1% of what he can do. The vast majority of criminals cannot do what he can, and anyway that chain can easily be cut no skill needed.
Foundation Galaxy so you want him to stop making videos then? These are for information regarding lock quality and for us who do lockpicking as a hobby. Thats why bosnian bill always says, STAY LEGAL
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You’ve picked Yale locks, now Oxford, next maybe Harvard. You could get a series going on Ivy League locks.
lol... I need an Ivy League playlist!
I wonder what he going to do with Uppsala
Not to be confused with Oxford UK 😂 .
(no; as far as I know there's no Cambridge lock company 😅)
I like your modifications to the picking tool... Seems like a decent lock & chain for the money...Good video..
Not too shabby and a descent security option for the cost. Even pickers don't often pick disc detainers. 😎✌
Great job on the picking and great job on the DD pick, looks cool. Thanks for sharing it with us brother!
Counter-rotating the first disc is a huge pro-tip. Great video as always!
Love the reworked picking tool, especially using the wife's ring stand.
Great pick! I love your modifications on the pick!
Thanks. 👍
If the lock is possible to take apart, you could file some false gates in the discs and have a really good bike lock. The physical security of this is already pretty good.
Neat adjustments to that pick.
As someone who's used two of these over the years, I'm quite reassured that I chose well 🙂
This was a good video and a decent lock at a fair price. I liked the pick you modified, your work looked good. I would enjoy videos on shop stuff like that ... builds, modifications, and even design. You could put your own spin, on some of what AvE does. Perhaps you could build, a ... Rube Goldberg destructive tester even?
OMG he's married! I guess she chose him for his manners. But now has to put up with him using anything in the house for his hobby... even the ring rack gets disassembled.
What will come of this... at least I assume they are still 'binding' ?
Quality video...Useful information
These are very popular locks in the UK, I see a lot of motorbikes locked up with these.
I have a copy of this. Damn thing vibrated loose one day while riding around a gravel pit. Took me an hour to find.
Harry, you are one very clever guy.
You make great videos!
Thanks.
Any advice for a better lock to be used with the largest version of that chain
Thank goodness you are one of the good guys!
Yes, show thieves how to pick our bike locks. Smart!
Nice lock, awesome picking, & always a beautiful presentation LPL, Cheers!
Hello
LockPickingLawyer and friends!
May be you can tell, which U-locks and models for chain are more reliable and resistant to tampering and pick? I choose from ABUS, Xena, Cryptonite... Thanks and good luck!
Have you tried Oxford Boss disc lock?
14 months on and I've got an update on this lock. It seems that Asda in the UK are selling a Bell mini U lock and 900mm of chain called the Rampage 300 for £15.00. The U lock appears to be the same as the one Oxford sell with 1m of chain for considerably more.
I've personally always favoured shorter chains because there's less for the thieves to get at.
Both Bell and Oxford rate as [4] High security level.
Plus, Bell are insuring it for $500 against theft of a cycle by opening or breaking the lock by force - in UK, Canada and USA except NY. Not sure if this extends to motorcycles, but it's a possible indicator of how confident they are in the lock.
are they insuring USED bikes too? because douche bag kryptonite doesn't. they want to see a receipt proving you purchased the bike brand new. so if you received the bike as a gift or found one, they WON'T insure it. that's shady low and wrong.
I’m so late, the pick that Bosnian Bill & I made hasn’t been made yet 😉
I've two of these and the location that they sit would just make it a nightmare for anyone picking 👍
Adapt and overcome. Everytime I get a lock I can't pick, I make a new pick just for that lock.
Kennedy's Locksport Cheers for the advice, now going to get some free bikes.
@lockpicklawer hey your videos are great. What lock and chain would you recommend for an expensive electric scooter? I am looking for something very secure
Me and my friend had this model of lock and chain on our motorbikes when they were stolen a while ago, the thieves just used bolt-cutters on the chains instead of picking it.
Jonny Hammon it is not 16mm thick chain. So bolt cutters will get through
That doesn’t surprise me, and is the main reason I called this a low to medium security setup... the chain is too thin to resist larger bolt cutters.
Jonny: ... Keep in mind ALL chains can be cut with bolt cutters of the appropriate size ... and if the thieves don't mind making noise? cordless disc grinders will cut through anything else on the market :( ... unfortunately this is why we have available, insurance for our valuables
Yeggster Shane What are the biggest bolt cutters?
The largest I have personally used were 72" (6 foot tall) and could cut through 3/4 steel concrete reinforcing rod with no problem .. normal use by two guys ... but a few of the biggest guys on the crew, could handle them on their own ... 60" (5 foot tall) bolt cutters are commonly available today ... I must add however these tools are very expensive and not used often used by common thieves (they would normally sell the bolt cutters first)
Can you recommend a high security disc lock and chain with lock please?
Lockpicking increased to 100
The previous model of this lock could be opened with a pen lid, so this is a huge improvement. Chain not the best but park next to a better bike secured with a shitty cable and its good enough. Absolutely not for motorcycles, only low value peddle bikes and mopeds. The area I live in is moderately shitty and they just go for the easier targets.
Had this exact same thing. Dickheads managed to cut through the chain itself. Didn't even care about the lock, just...yeah, found a way to slice right through it.
One of the sickest feelings you will ever have... coming out to find your bike has been stolen. 😡
Almax make very good chains, unbelievably good infact. Have a look on TH-cam
Here a polish guy attacking this product ... yeah grinder will cut it , but then what would it not cut ?
th-cam.com/video/JDD8DZ6pzI8/w-d-xo.html 11 min clip
Here Bosnianbill cutting locks and chains .
th-cam.com/video/cbYVmRNzGLc/w-d-xo.html 7 min clip
we need public hanging of bike thieves
@@pete_lind fortunately / unfortunately most people that steal bikes don't care about picking locks at all, and will just attack with pliers, bolt cutters and angle grinders. at least it means we don't need super secure padlocks, and you can always buy a beefier chain. This is why its always best to keep your chain as far from the ground as possible. being able to rest whatever you are cutting on a solid surface makes it so much easier.
from personal experience i needed to cut down some M8 threaded rod. the vices i have at home is a swivel vice for painting model planes and it took me 15 minutes to hacksaw through just 1. ended up taking it to work (and the same hacksaw blade) and used one of the bench mounted vices there. lets just say i had the other 3 cut to length in 5 minutes just because of a stable cutting platform.
Insane value for locking scooters or cheaper/older bikes
Im so happy I got this lock for my scooter
no issues with it so far?? you trust it? seems fairly solid in terms of protection
Nice vid and workaround LPL. They're a lot more experiencive in the UK. £27 is the cheapest I've seen. That's what in Dollars? $37? Either way, I like the lock, which seems very pick resistant to ordinary mortals, but apparently according to comments, the chain is weak.
Would you recommend this or the kryptonite evoltion 4 ?
Really enjoy your videos, you may have already eluded to my question however what padlock would you buy to protect a bicycle.
Keep up the good work love from 🇬🇧
Minimum 14mm chain w/ quality lock.
How do you disassemble this type of lock?
I picked the D Lock from Oxford....i did not feel false gates
Since this is a low to medium security bike lock, what would you consider a high security bike lock? Thanks for the great videos!
Minimum 14mm chain with a quality lock, like a 37RK/80, would be the minimum. Multiple chains/locks are preferred.
And now flash forward to Feb. 1st 2020 and he gives praises to the new oxford lock. The chain is only a half mm thicker but the lock is good quality.
I've just bought this lock 🔒
For sure your wife is a kind person.
Lol... she is.
Could you do the Oxford boss lock including trying to pick it without setting off alarm
BrotherRobb Can’t be done, the alarm is so sensitive it sometimes goes off due to wind
@@ahdkfknsbcienfnsk or rain.
And the price is doubled now. Was getting this for a friend with an expensive ebike. Now i guess im gonna pay more for it.
You and Bosnian Bill should team up on making a disk detainer pick.
Nice picking. Did you test the hardness of the chain?
It passed the file test.
Not bad for the price then.
Won't pass the bolt cutters test. I guess that's to be expected, but still, don't buy it. Hell, just don't buy low/medium quality bike locks in general, spend a lot of money and get the thickest chain you can. It's worth the investment, speaking as a guy who lost his motorcycle after thieves just...cut right through it. Same one in video too (hard to tell the exact thickness. Honestly looks thinner than mine, but I've got small hands, so yeah).
Oxford themselves do thicker chains that, I assume, use the same lock. Just, yeah, spend a little extra. Don't make the same mistake I did.
@danny lee Every second counts, lol.
@@44R0NM10 what would be a better alternative to this setup? I keep searching for a good one but they don't seem secure enough
Is this legal ? I have Magnum chain lock with same style key...
Could you do some destructive testing on various chains?
Probably not... unless I think of a new and interesting way to test them. 🤔
Mine is beginning to stick when I use it with my keys and it's only about six years old and I use it every day. I have to made sure it's dry and lube it but it's still sticking; is it time to get a new one?
This is a long shot, but does anyone have a way to get a broken key out of this lock?
Question, I have a new york forgetaboutit mini u lock with an 18mm steel shackle I am looking for a gold standard chain that will fit through the links 1meter in length if possible, can you recommend anything, please?
Always find your videos interesting. Have you considered the hiplok bike locks? I am curious is they are more secure or mostly focused on convenience. Plus it uses a lock type I don't believe you have picked on camera before.
Given the price, I doubt I will feature one until they appear on the secondary market.
LockPickingLawyer
Makes sense, couldn't get one as a review product from the company?
I use one of their chains, its really nice to carry with me and its rated secure gold for what it's worth.
Lol... I doubt but they want me reviewing them. Their idiotic fluff pieces on TH-cam are telling.
Lol that is interesting, I use their lock as my primary bike lock, I hope it was the right choice.
Please try you Ramset gun on this one I would really love to see it thanks a lot
double locking mechanism?
Yes
Why do the first two disks move freely
best lock for bike sir?
Oh, look! An ancestor to "the pick that Bosnian Bill and I made".
This looks like the Harbor Freight Bunker Hill lock.
So, what would you trust your dream Ducati with to keep safe?
An armed guard.
XD
My plan is to try and get a 14mm lock with alarm and chain as they appear to be the strongest ones which I can also somewhat carry around. Then there's the good old baseball bat for if the alarm goes off at 3am.
I own a machete and ide cut the fuckers hands off if trying to steal my motorbikes ,mess with my wife but don’t touch my bikes,gota have your priorities right 😂🏍🇬🇧❤️
Bolt cutters ?
Sadly a good lock is as good as useless, thieves don't pick locks, they cut the chain
Cutting that would take you a few minutes of grinding.
So can you tell me, Are you showing us how difficult it is to pick this lock or how easy it is? and how many of your average crooks would have enough skill and know how let alone picks to pick these locks?
i wonder how this lock would do against the hammer
Probably well... just a gut feeling.
How Can i buy the lock?
The design of that lock looks a lot like the Bell Catalyst 550. Same body and construction but a different core. Wonder who OEMs these. Pics: imgur.com/a/AeHdG
I agree... probably out of the same Chinese factory. 🤷🏻♂️
Harbor freight selling something really similar to this for $17 simply called "Padlock chain"
Might be the exact same lock
Can this be easily cut with bolt cutters ?
ZeroColdx911 bolt croppers go through these chains a piece of piece if at home use a ground anchor lock, your bikes only as secure as what it’s attached to,and cover it if they can’t see it they usually leave it alone .
Decathlon sells this under Btwin brand
With plastic inside, i would add.
Could you give me the link to this for $25. Thanks
It was on Amazon... no longer.
LockPickingLawyer damn at $25 it seems like a good deal
LockPickingLawyer is the Bell Rampage 300 Chain and Mini U Lock the same as this. They look the same. Thanks
Where is the Amazon affiliate link? For $25, I can leave it at my destination.
Oxford OF157 'HD Chain' 9.5mm Square Link Chain and Tough Double Locking Padlock
www.amazon.com/dp/B000R593CE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_16OxAbMMXRXP8
I suspect some of Oxford security products are manufacture by a Chinese lock company Tonyon. Some of the u lock and chain are pretty similar with the same ART approval number.
www.tonyon.com/test/gsl/prouductven.asp?id=495
Did you say “Cast Zinc”?!?!?! BURN IT!!!
Not bad for something I paid about £5 for.
In my own opinion, that’s a good lock if you have to make your own tools to pick the lock! I guess you won’t be buying your wife any rings for now!! (just kidding!!)
I could have used other tools... I’m just trying to get used to this one now.
Chain is great but I don't recommend the HD locks in any way as they don't stand the elements. I have had two both of which got corroded and jammed after a couple of years.
Why help crime?
I did a foil attack on this lock.
Aluminum!!!!! ¡!!!!!!!!!!!
Calling it heavy duty is a misnomer in my opinion. Both the lock and chain can be cut with a cutting disc in an angle grinder in about 15 seconds each.
TBH. I was expecting much better quality. I am very disappointed. Mine was cut using heavy duty cutters in a matter of seconds. They cut one of the links and metal just crushed.
how do you know it was seconds?? were you standing behind them with a stopwatch timing them?
2 mins 15 seconds
This is the same lock as BUNKER HILL SECURITY Heavy Duty Padlock Chain at harbor freight.. I got mine for 16.50 with tax after 20% coupon. SKU#
66067
I thought the same thing and compared... similar, but not the same product.
Gets excited over $25 liked by LPL, checks amazon and cries . .
Have you tried this one yet ? www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/496413/#/23636,0,0
Aiiigh geez, need ya get into a… police!?!… message ya laters.
Unfortunately pretty much useless in today's world. Loud sounding alarms and disc locks are more effective.
No
bike thieves.....dont pick locks.....
maybe they will learn...
Nx
Nice I’m just afraid that you are teaching the thieves how to steal please don’t do that!!!
Hes an expert, I've been lock picking as hobby for about a year and can't do 1% of what he can do. The vast majority of criminals cannot do what he can, and anyway that chain can easily be cut no skill needed.
Foundation Galaxy so you want him to stop making videos then? These are for information regarding lock quality and for us who do lockpicking as a hobby. Thats why bosnian bill always says, STAY LEGAL
Sure, its nice to have these videos however he is revealing too much I would suggest for him not to expose the used tools
Please just go back to your safe space, these videos are for the locksport community, and the tools are 100% legal.
There is no such thing as locksport! Compromising peoples safety and calling it a sport just makes you a douche