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Hey, great video as usual! Your explanation of NUDURA forms and their advantages is spot on. One thing I will add is that the forms are actually NON TOXIC in the event of a fire, and when drywalled, give you a 4 hour fire rating. Great channel, I’m a big fan. I’m a fellow NUDURA guy from Ohio, I’d like to come out and see your operation sometime. #ICFLIFE #TeamHoldfast
I am a retired building contractor when I retired and moved to Marathon in the Florida Keys I constructed my home using Nudura and lived in it ever since we experienced a major hurricane September 2017 in which we stayed in the home and experienced absolutely no problems, we have some fantastic footage of what it’s like being inside of a ICF house in a major hurricane quite amazing
You are many people. Good son, father, husband, worker, comedian, never afraid to get your hands dirty, supportive of your crew, you take great care of your equipment and it makes all of us anxious for the next one. ONE thing you do that I am super impressed by is when you get deep into explanations as you did in this one. You sat down and gave us information as a real human to another human in your own professional manner about the forms you use, the materials they are made of, rates of fire, comfort along with economy and so on in a TOTAL explanation. I think what you give us is HUGE and I thank you for it all. God bless you and your great family and thank you! Sonny (CT)
Just poured my daylight nudura walls last week. Nudura is by far the strongest ICF I have ever used. Inside the walls is very dark when concrete is being poured, I accidentally poured the wall up about 7 feet!! once I finally saw the concrete in the wall coming up fast, I almost shit my pants thinking I was going to have a blow out. But that wall didn't even bow and handled all that weight no problem. ICF is the future of concrete. If you don't think so. you will be past up and left in the dust. Great video. Wish I could post pictures.
My former boss built his 5000 sqf house (& 2000 sqf guesthouse/shop) with a version of icf. I believe he’s the only one in our community on the Northern California Coast with those walls. Everyone else builds stick walls. The only down side is he has zero cell service inside the house despite having great Verizon service in the yard. I worked mainly in the shop & even with all the garage doors open, it was always much cooler than out in the yard. Keep up the great work! I love the educational videos with y’all’s “random” entertainment thrown in. 😂👍
New to me. I like it. You call it a “walk out basement”, in the hills of Tennessee all basements are “walkouts “. We call it Daylighting it out. Almost drove my dad nuts when he tried to explain “daylighting out” to me, a thirteen year old kid at the time. I was on the high-lift (track loader) digging the basement, with no idea what he was talking about. He wanted to know exactly what I was learning in school, as if I had failed the class on daylighting out. Lol I loved summer break!
Father in law has been doing a lot of icf last 10+ years or so too. They're big fans of it. If I were going to build a house, I'd probably go that route as well. Thanks for the video and explanations! Great stuff! Thanks for sharing!
Dirt Perfect, I love your videos and your attitude. You tell us what you think, why it works for you but you always seem to acknowledge their are other ways of doing things that could work for others. So many of us tradesmen seem to think our own way is the only way and that shuts out learning anything new. Anyways thanks for the videos and keep up the good work.
this truly is a fascinating system, to think i spent all those years huckin around heavy steel forms and having to strip them after pouring... One and done, this is the way to go! great video mike!
I'm with Mike on Nudura ICF walls. I've done Reward ICF also. They are very similar as there is no top or bottom. No right or left either. Excellent foundation.
The guy I helped with ICF liked to fill all the window bucks first , then zip around to level off the first lift. The idea was to get better consolidation vs. letting the mix ooz in from the sides. Guess we'll see what your idea is soon. Nice job setting up.
Awesome info thanks I’d been waiting to hear someone just tell it like it is about NUDURA. I’m planning a build in the near future and for Florida with the hurricanes I couldn’t imagine a better wall system to make a home “bomb proof” great work thanks for the vids keep them coming ! 👍🏻💪🏻
Very good professional presentation Mike! Great points and solid explanation of your preferred ICF product. 5 stars buddy! Work safe. Doug@ the "ranch"
Have you ever built 2 story homes from icf or mostly just basements? I’ll look back thought you’re videos but can’t remember watching one on a 2 story build. Love the channel. Keep the videos coming.
Love your videos mr Dirt Perfect, they are very informative and interesting too! 🙂👍I’m kinda surprised that they don’t use them up here in NJ where I live, it seems the big thing here is precast or poured concrete!👍🤔
Another great video, I have been a fan of ICF for many years, hope to live in one some day. Nice to know your background and will checkout those older videos. Love to see a multi floor build with the cast in place floors. Do you know of anyone using the mixed in reinforcement like the helix system in stead of rebar. I’ve never had good feelings about putting rusted steel into concrete and I’ve recently read the epoxy coated isn’t much better.
I think that ICF walls are great thing, and their only downside I can see is that you are insulating the thermal mass from the inside / living space so you won't get the same steady temperatures you would if you had a regular 8" concrete wall with 4" of foam on the outside. That and the fact that I would put a lot more insulation on the outside than just 2" as that will pay back hugely over the life of the building. From a construction point of view they are great though and they allow for very easy form-work indeed. :-)
Morten Mortensen you can get thicker foam on the outside of the panels depending on the manufacturer. We use this thickness because it works best for the climate where we are located
Love you ICF series. Been waiting since your last ICF series. Made my wife watch that one, answered a lot of questions she had. In the process of designing a ICF home. Interesting idea to use the 'Brick ledge's to support the garage pad. Thing is, with my plans, the top of the garage pad falls 4 " below the top of the current course of ICF blocks, the bottom about 10' above the last course. How would you attack a situation like this?
Nudura has a “add on” brick ledge that can be placed anywhere on a straight form. I’ve used them many times. A little time-consuming until you understand how it works, but invaluable for creating a brick ledge exactly where you need one. Check the Nudura website.
On you corners, do you have all the longs go clock wise one level, then counter clock wise the next level, or do you have longs facing each other and shorts facing each other, then switch them the next level?
I built with an ICF foundation in the Black Hills of South Dakota. I could only find one masonry contractor in the area that would pour it. My wife and I set the forms. And I didn't have a simple foundation. The house is essentially round. There are 17 8 foot wall segments that make up the house as well as a 900 SF garage. We put in floor heat under the slab so there's insulation under that. This basement is incredibly comfortable. I heat the basement and the garage with around 500 gallons of propane annually. The biggest energy user is the great room as it's about 800 SF and there's a window in all but one 8 foot wall and not tiny ones. There's an 8x8 connector between the house and the garage and we've never heated it as it stays very warm.
barry hansen ... SIPs are styrofoam sandwiched between tho sheets of OSB (oriented strand board) paneling... I wouldn’t use them for basement walls because they can’t stand up in water... but, they are great for walls and roofs. (Pure Living For Life has a whole house build using them.)
Help! What is preferred over Great Stuff adhesive, and why? I just baught a bottle of that and was about to use it on my first ICF build... Great video.
Hey, what ICF system would you recommend for a DIY guy doing it for the first time? Not a 4 sided house but one with 90 degree corners and three at 45 degrees, walkout basement
Mike, do you know if you can run electrical piping inside of the walls before you pour them? If I was going to wire the entire basement, could I cut in the electrical boxes and run the pipe around the walls inside of the ICF before your pour is done? Can you do it for the plumbing? I was curious, it looks like a good system, but I was thinking about running the pipe for the electrical main inside of the wall to give a more "finished look" to the panel. I watched another guy go in and use a hot knife to cut away a ton of foam to install his electrical and it looked a bit crappy, in my opinion, plus the boxes were all shallow and it does not allow much doing it that way. Plumbing, I am unsure of the water lines not freezing and sometimes you have to run the stack pipes down the outside walls, being able to run a 3 inch DWV down it would be cool, but would it ruin the integrity of the wall?
Do you ever poor a floor between the basement and main floor? When an architect designs a house, do they build to the ICF forms? aka on the 2' ? When do you put in the horizontal and vertical rebarb?
If someone wants a whole house built like this, is it done in one continuous pour or is the basement done, then stack another floor and pour ? Also, if someone wanted vinyl siding, would the process be to screw vertical straps to the plastic studs and then attach the siding to the strapping ? Thank you. Great video.
here in Iowa the bury for Water lines is 5 to 6 feet. Frost footings are a minimum of 4 feet preferably 5. I have seen the bell hubs on ductile cast iron water pipes be polished by the road grader during deep rut smoothing. But that isnt in Iowa :)
Now I see what you did with the walk-out portion. Have you seen the Spider-ties? Basically the plastic ribs from ICFs but you add your own plywood you remove later. Could be an option if you need a wall but don't need the insulation.
Awesome Mike I don't think we have that concept over here but there is another one that they do over here which are preformed panels I will look it up and make another comment.
In the near future my next house I want off 8 inch it would be nice if you have your opinion on two thermal heat a\c or normal natural gas central air. You spoke of your 4000 ft house with less utilities. Did you go to or normal?
Pyawallah there are several methods for ICF, we use a 3’ wide water proofing membrane that essentially has a tar layer that adheres to the foam and a plastic type weave layer that protects the tar layer from the stone used for backfill. Great question!
In Virginia I tried ICF basements twice, both because the owners wanted them. One house had I think it was 53 corners in it so it was far faster setting all the ICF's than using standard aluminium concrete forms. The problem that arose about 4 years later was carpenter ants loved to tunnel into the foam and made expressways all over the entire house, you could hear them in the basement . It took a lot of extensive drilling and spraying to get rid of them but the owner wanted ICF construction so that's what he got. As far as I know, he never did finish out the basement which was his intention when we built it, to finish it out. Because of that I never did another one.
@@inmyimage1081 We used a dimpled drainage bd. then applied a peel and stick membrane over that . We put a drain at bottom covered with gravel. I had used a system by superseal on poured concrete walls which is what we always did for basementd and adapted it a little bit to the ICF's. Never had water problems once using it. There are newer systems out there now but I don't keep up with them since I retired from building a few years ago. ICF's never caught on very much back then in our area . They have there good and bad advantages though like most things. Best thing would be to go to a local building expo in your area and see what is available in your part of the country I think. Good luck.
Bill Sheffield Thx, from the videos I have watched the peel and stick membranes seemed to have a tar like sticky substance on them so it surprises me that the ants were able to take up residence. Will have to keep your experience in mind when looking at protecting the bottom portion of the walls.
@@inmyimage1081 Since there not sub-terranian insects my guess is they entered from inside the basement or crawl space and started there highways from there. Once inside any little crack bigger than 1/64 of an inch and they like termites can go anywhere they want. With ICF's there are voids everywhere inside the walls . I would do lots of research if I were you !!!
From watching other builders using different brands of blocks, I've seen them use a "common seam" on each wall. It might have just not shown up in your video but it didn't look like you used any, is that something that isn't needed/recommended for Nudura or does it matter based on the length of the wall? Or some other reason maybe?
@@CaptainKleeman you would if he went all butcher on you lol ..... not giving him any ideas but if he does then that would make him dirt perfect butcher of ohio lol
Enjoyed the video. How many man hours for setting and pouring? Have a few other questions but will have to the wait till the wife stops yelling at me lol.
@@DirtPerfect I was meaning just the icfs and components to assemble them. I know aluminum forms are expensive but we have had ours since 2005. Probably stay in service until I retire lol. If taken care of the cost is minimal per job but a huge initial investment.
The squeeky "nails on chalk board" styrofoam sound is cringeworthy. I knew a coworker who would run away at that noise. Be HILARIOUS to see his reaction to this video. Like to see the tie in to the garage floor. Thanks Mike. Cheers!
@@DirtPerfect Good morning, Dirt Perfect. I am building a Nudura icf up in South Bend, IN with 8" basement walls and a 6" main floor wall to the truss. I have a builder that is helping through the process that was recommended by my Nudura sales rep that has built multiple homes and commercial buildings. He is saying that he will pour the first three courses then basement floor then proceed up. Any suggestions are appreciated.Thanks
Never been a big fan of 6 to 8 nothing to gain there and as far as pouring the first two course then the floor and rest of the wall yes it can be done but it’s a lot more work if you ask me are they bracing from the outside and how do they protect the floor when pouring the walls
I noticed you did your corners like they would do for concrete block. Build your corners and work your way around. are those special braces for ICF? or just common braces. And what do you call them? Wall braces?
Great video, as normal.. There was this guy in college that had the nickname dirty Jay.. But I'm pretty sure it was for a different reason.. Something to do with golf balls and garden hoses.
This might be silly as hell, but I've been curious about using icf to make myself a really cool backyard mancave guy shed. Nothing too crazy, maybe something like 8x12 or something like that. Not sure how crazy I am or if I should just make it out of normal cement blocks oldschool style.
Have you guys ever done a complex basement with the icfs, if so what kind of time for man hours? Icfs are very seldom used here. I can see where homeowners and contractors with no forms would love them. Curious about cost for 9 ft walls and roughly 250 ft with 25 corners? I ask because that's the rough size of the basements we do and would like to compare. You guys do a great job even the simple things like putting horizontal rebar closer to the inside face. Always the small things that make a great contractor. Hope to see you guys pouring the walls soon. Yes I know its placing but we always say pouring .
@@CaptainKleemanwas hoping to make a comparison of what you guys do versus what we do for cost effectiveness. We run 6 guys on our wall crew most of the time. We can normally set and pour walls in a 9 hour day and wreck in a 6 hour day. Around 90 man hours for a normal set of walls for us. I'm always looking at what others do to try and improve efficiency. From what I see you guys do a very good job and try to do what is right for the customer. Like the videos on icfs hope to see the next one soon.
math time it depends on the basement and complexity obviously, this job was a three man crew, 8 hour stack day, 4 hour tear down. The nice thing about ICF is there just isn’t much to take down. Walk boards and braces with a few “straps” depending on the layout.
@@CaptainKleeman yeah every job is different and definitely changes cost and time. Most of the ones we do are pretty complex. That's one of the reasons we bought a total station to help with layout. I think in the 14 years we been in business I have seen 2 jobs that used icfs. Very rare in this area and hoping to learn more about them. With having our own forms they probably wouldn't be for us but there might be something I can incorporate into what we do. Plus I always like to learn.
math time have to stay educated on all the options that’s for sure. That says a lot about you for staying on top of the industry like that. Smart. Stay safe and be productive.
I'm in Illinois 3 hours away from you...I'm building a new house (probably next spring). The basement will be 64'x 29'. I can get the hole dug (or you could do it), have concrete lined up and get any other material you may need. Would you have any interest in doing the rest of the work for an icf basement? This is in the country on 5 acres. I understand if you're not interested.
So are we just gonna gloss over the fact you missed the bucket from 8in away... ?😜 All kidding aside, great info, looking to build my final home in Tennessee in a few years.... nice to have some background info when listening to various Builders
You ever see an icf wall blow apart when pouring it ,I have lol not fun at all ,,had to use a dozer to push it back and hold it cause the braces let go,lol it was bad day ,that was the one and only time I was on job with that stuff ,,it not liked up here in buffalo lol
Mike Muniak it’s like any material, if a builder isn’t familiar with it or doesn’t understand how it works they will have a bad time. If a crew works with them long enough they learn what to look out for. One nice thing about Nudura is they actually they actually put on installer classes for builders wanting to get into the industry.
I’m not talking exact price I just was is it 20,000 as a 5000 just a rough estimate or a close estimate for what something like that would cost or a square foot price
Hey, great video as usual! Your explanation of NUDURA forms and their advantages is spot on. One thing I will add is that the forms are actually NON TOXIC in the event of a fire, and when drywalled, give you a 4 hour fire rating. Great channel, I’m a big fan. I’m a fellow NUDURA guy from Ohio, I’d like to come out and see your operation sometime. #ICFLIFE #TeamHoldfast
This is true hard to remember everything on a hot day 😝 part of the holdfast family my self email me some time mike@dirtperfect1.com
I am a retired building contractor when I retired and moved to Marathon in the Florida Keys I constructed my home using Nudura and lived in it ever since we experienced a major hurricane September 2017 in which we stayed in the home and experienced absolutely no problems, we have some fantastic footage of what it’s like being inside of a ICF house in a major hurricane quite amazing
Norman philipps That’s an incredible story, Norman! I’m a NUDURA sales rep, would you be willing to share your experience with me?
That’s awesome don’t understand why more people don’t build like you
ICF LIFE Absolutely I have several videos that I could share with you if I could have your contact information I’ll send them to you
Norman philipps that would be great, thank you! ohiolincolnhomes@gmail.com
You are many people. Good son, father, husband, worker, comedian, never afraid to get your hands dirty, supportive of your crew, you take great care of your equipment and it makes all of us anxious for the next one. ONE thing you do that I am super impressed by is when you get deep into explanations as you did in this one. You sat down and gave us information as a real human to another human in your own professional manner about the forms you use, the materials they are made of, rates of fire, comfort along with economy and so on in a TOTAL explanation. I think what you give us is HUGE and I thank you for it all. God bless you and your great family and thank you! Sonny (CT)
Sonny thanks for the very kind works and feedback much appreciate and most important thanks for watching
Just poured my daylight nudura walls last week. Nudura is by far the strongest ICF I have ever used. Inside the walls is very dark when concrete is being poured, I accidentally poured the wall up about 7 feet!! once I finally saw the concrete in the wall coming up fast, I almost shit my pants thinking I was going to have a blow out. But that wall didn't even bow and handled all that weight no problem. ICF is the future of concrete. If you don't think so. you will be past up and left in the dust.
Great video. Wish I could post pictures.
Awesome and I agree nudura is the best
My former boss built his 5000 sqf house (& 2000 sqf guesthouse/shop) with a version of icf. I believe he’s the only one in our community on the Northern California Coast with those walls. Everyone else builds stick walls. The only down side is he has zero cell service inside the house despite having great Verizon service in the yard. I worked mainly in the shop & even with all the garage doors open, it was always much cooler than out in the yard. Keep up the great work! I love the educational videos with y’all’s “random” entertainment thrown in. 😂👍
Awesome and thanks for watching and the feedback
Benjamin Ferreira you should tell him to look into cell boosters for rv's. they have an antenna outside with a hardwired receiver on the inside.
ICF sounds like the way to go when building a new house. Thanks for the explanation. Have a blessed and safe weekend.
I think so and thanks 🙏
New to me. I like it. You call it a “walk out basement”, in the hills of Tennessee all basements are “walkouts “. We call it Daylighting it out. Almost drove my dad nuts when he tried to explain “daylighting out” to me, a thirteen year old kid at the time. I was on the high-lift (track loader) digging the basement, with no idea what he was talking about. He wanted to know exactly what I was learning in school, as if I had failed the class on daylighting out. Lol I loved summer break!
Lol that’s awesome
That’s very interesting and I truly hope that you show us the concrete pour. Thank you very much.
Yup coming up next
Father in law has been doing a lot of icf last 10+ years or so too. They're big fans of it. If I were going to build a house, I'd probably go that route as well. Thanks for the video and explanations! Great stuff! Thanks for sharing!
Yup my house is and love it
Dirt Perfect, I love your videos and your attitude. You tell us what you think, why it works for you but you always seem to acknowledge their are other ways of doing things that could work for others. So many of us tradesmen seem to think our own way is the only way and that shuts out learning anything new. Anyways thanks for the videos and keep up the good work.
Great video! Thank you for the insight on ICFs
No problem thanks for watching
this truly is a fascinating system, to think i spent all those years huckin around heavy steel forms and having to strip them after pouring... One and done, this is the way to go! great video mike!
Yup it’s awesome thanks buddy
I'm with Mike on Nudura ICF walls. I've done Reward ICF also. They are very similar as there is no top or bottom. No right or left either. Excellent foundation.
Yup but they don’t make them anymore fox block bought them 😐
@@DirtPerfect, Are they still the same layout and everything ?
@@augustreil Nudura ICF is. That's what is nice about them. If you want a half block, the other half is the same. Just flip it over and use it.
I like that system, especially for the thermal break. I'd like to see the water proofing system that is used on the outside.
Let’s talk basement waterproofing and backfill. #basementwaterproofing #ICF #nudura th-cam.com/video/fhKu0BgHjAA/w-d-xo.html
@@DirtPerfect yeahhhh
Pretty interesting wall system there. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to us.
Thanks for watching
Always interesting to watch this process before the concrete pour. Great explanations during the process Mike. 👍🇺🇸
Thanks dc
Thanks for the ICF info they seem to make alot of sense plus being able to recoup the added cost with energy savings only makes sense. 👍
The guy I helped with ICF liked to fill all the window bucks first , then zip around to level off the first lift.
The idea was to get better consolidation vs. letting the mix ooz in from the sides.
Guess we'll see what your idea is soon.
Nice job setting up.
Have done both not for sure if there is much difference
Those forms are slick and fast, I like them! Great job!
Thanks
The only way to go. Forget the exterior wood framing. ICF all the way to the roof for me. Excellent video. Thanks for sharing 👍
Agree
Awesome info thanks I’d been waiting to hear someone just tell it like it is about NUDURA. I’m planning a build in the near future and for Florida with the hurricanes I couldn’t imagine a better wall system to make a home “bomb proof” great work thanks for the vids keep them coming ! 👍🏻💪🏻
Thanks and icf all the way
I really appreciate your channel, brings me back to my heavy equipment and construction days. Thanks keep sharing.
Thanks and thanks for watching
Outstanding! Can't wait for the pour!!
Lol stay tuned
Liked the explanation
Thanks
Good to see the sch 40 PVC.
Very good professional presentation Mike! Great points and solid explanation of your preferred ICF product. 5 stars buddy! Work safe.
Doug@ the "ranch"
Thanks Doug
Have you ever built 2 story homes from icf or mostly just basements? I’ll look back thought you’re videos but can’t remember watching one on a 2 story build. Love the channel. Keep the videos coming.
We have built a couple 3 story homes and thanks
Love your videos mr Dirt Perfect, they are very informative and interesting too! 🙂👍I’m kinda surprised that they don’t use them up here in NJ where I live, it seems the big thing here is precast or poured concrete!👍🤔
Thanks it is odd how they are in some places and not others
Another great video, I have been a fan of ICF for many years, hope to live in one some day. Nice to know your background and will checkout those older videos. Love to see a multi floor build with the cast in place floors. Do you know of anyone using the mixed in reinforcement like the helix system in stead of rebar. I’ve never had good feelings about putting rusted steel into concrete and I’ve recently read the epoxy coated isn’t much better.
Galvanized or SS rebar or even fiberglass rebar. Rusty rebar is like cancer to concrete
Great explanation... and wish they’d had this when my house was built... I hate damp basements!
Bummer yup nice system
I think that ICF walls are great thing, and their only downside I can see is that you are insulating the thermal mass from the inside / living space so you won't get the same steady temperatures you would if you had a regular 8" concrete wall with 4" of foam on the outside.
That and the fact that I would put a lot more insulation on the outside than just 2" as that will pay back hugely over the life of the building.
From a construction point of view they are great though and they allow for very easy form-work indeed. :-)
Morten Mortensen you can get thicker foam on the outside of the panels depending on the manufacturer. We use this thickness because it works best for the climate where we are located
Love you ICF series. Been waiting since your last ICF series. Made my wife watch that one, answered a lot of questions she had.
In the process of designing a ICF home. Interesting idea to use the 'Brick ledge's to support the garage pad. Thing is, with my plans, the top of the garage pad falls 4 " below the top of the current course of ICF blocks, the bottom about 10' above the last course.
How would you attack a situation like this?
If you need can lay a few blocks to get proper elevation
Nudura has a “add on” brick ledge that can be placed anywhere on a straight form. I’ve used them many times. A little time-consuming until you understand how it works, but invaluable for creating a brick ledge exactly where you need one. Check the Nudura website.
On you corners, do you have all the longs go clock wise one level, then counter clock wise the next level, or do you have longs facing each other and shorts facing each other, then switch them the next level?
No all one way the switch
I built with an ICF foundation in the Black Hills of South Dakota. I could only find one masonry contractor in the area that would pour it. My wife and I set the forms. And I didn't have a simple foundation. The house is essentially round. There are 17 8 foot wall segments that make up the house as well as a 900 SF garage. We put in floor heat under the slab so there's insulation under that. This basement is incredibly comfortable. I heat the basement and the garage with around 500 gallons of propane annually. The biggest energy user is the great room as it's about 800 SF and there's a window in all but one 8 foot wall and not tiny ones. There's an 8x8 connector between the house and the garage and we've never heated it as it stays very warm.
Awesome
That panel I was mentioning is SIP ( structual insulated panel ) made off site in factory then transported to site good system and quick.
Maybe? Please explain?
@@travisdavis3974 I think I saw a guy build one in the US he did the whole house roof and all will try and find it again.
@@barryhansen6854 sounds interesting I have only seen wall systems. I'll check in floors and roofs thanks.👍
barry hansen ... SIPs are styrofoam sandwiched between tho sheets of OSB (oriented strand board) paneling... I wouldn’t use them for basement walls because they can’t stand up in water... but, they are great for walls and roofs. (Pure Living For Life has a whole house build using them.)
th-cam.com/video/byz9iM3iveA/w-d-xo.html
Here in Australia I've used a similar product made by Zego the house was in a high bush fire area. Once the outside was rendered it complied.
Interesting thanks
Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching
Help! What is preferred over Great Stuff adhesive, and why? I just baught a bottle of that and was about to use it on my first ICF build...
Great video.
It will work but the good stuff from are block suppler
@@DirtPerfect 🍻
Thank you for the video thumbs UP.
Thanks
That system looks great, better and easier than the old plywood panels!
Lol yup
Hey, what ICF system would you recommend for a DIY guy doing it for the first time? Not a 4 sided house but one with 90 degree corners and three at 45 degrees, walkout basement
flyboynextdoor go with Nudura. they have premade corners in 90 degrees and 45. It's reversible and just a great strong system all around.
Nudura first fox block second
Mike, do you know if you can run electrical piping inside of the walls before you pour them? If I was going to wire the entire basement, could I cut in the electrical boxes and run the pipe around the walls inside of the ICF before your pour is done? Can you do it for the plumbing? I was curious, it looks like a good system, but I was thinking about running the pipe for the electrical main inside of the wall to give a more "finished look" to the panel. I watched another guy go in and use a hot knife to cut away a ton of foam to install his electrical and it looked a bit crappy, in my opinion, plus the boxes were all shallow and it does not allow much doing it that way. Plumbing, I am unsure of the water lines not freezing and sometimes you have to run the stack pipes down the outside walls, being able to run a 3 inch DWV down it would be cool, but would it ruin the integrity of the wall?
You can just little more work we install everything in the 2 and 3/4 inches of foam on the inside after it’s poured
With the skyrocketing cost of wood structure material I could see the value in using the ICF system.
Yes your correct
Do you ever poor a floor between the basement and main floor?
When an architect designs a house, do they build to the ICF forms? aka on the 2' ?
When do you put in the horizontal and vertical rebarb?
Yes and before me pour sorry I don’t cover rebar very well
If someone wants a whole house built like this, is it done in one continuous pour or is the basement done, then stack another floor and pour ? Also, if someone wanted vinyl siding, would the process be to screw vertical straps to the plastic studs and then attach the siding to the strapping ? Thank you. Great video.
No multiple level pours and we just use roofing nails they good real well
here in Iowa the bury for Water lines is 5 to 6 feet. Frost footings are a minimum of 4 feet preferably 5. I have seen the bell hubs on ductile cast iron water pipes be polished by the road grader during deep rut smoothing. But that isnt in Iowa :)
Wow
I actually found your channel researching ICF's, have you ever worked with ICF floor panels or roof panels?... worth it? thoughts?
Some good product really need to know what you are doing and have a good crew helping you they are tricky not more then the walls
@@DirtPerfect From what I understand about floors you need to have proper support to handle the weight of the concrete.
Now I see what you did with the walk-out portion. Have you seen the Spider-ties? Basically the plastic ribs from ICFs but you add your own plywood you remove later. Could be an option if you need a wall but don't need the insulation.
Yup have seen those
If the footer isn’t level from corner to corner can you make up elevation heights by shimming blocks in the bottom before foaming it down?
Correct
Awesome Mike I don't think we have that concept over here but there is another one that they do over here which are preformed panels I will look it up and make another comment.
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What psi concrete do you use in your walls
Michael young 4000
Yup
How far will you travel to put one of those in
All depends on the job
How do you fix your 2x4 strong backs on the outside of the wall ? Toe screw through the side ?
Yes
Awesome video, love your channel
Thanks and appreciate the feedback
In the near future my next house I want off 8 inch it would be nice if you have your opinion on two thermal heat a\c or normal natural gas central air. You spoke of your 4000 ft house with less utilities. Did you go to or normal?
Geo are natural gas are the best in my opinion at least in are area
are the braces part of the wall system or did you make them or is that just standard bracing that your using for your walls
No we. Bought them
how do you waterproof the outside of the wall
Pyawallah there are several methods for ICF, we use a 3’ wide water proofing membrane that essentially has a tar layer that adheres to the foam and a plastic type weave layer that protects the tar layer from the stone used for backfill. Great question!
Let’s talk basement waterproofing and backfill. #basementwaterproofing #ICF #nudura th-cam.com/video/fhKu0BgHjAA/w-d-xo.html
Where are you located? I’m in Indy and will have two icf builds coming up soon.
Three hr south near tell city
Is it hard to put basement windows in with the ICF. great videos love the content.
No and thanks
the foam insulates the concrete so that it stays warm longer to promote the curing chemical process.
Yup
do you use a drain board on your ICF or just the nudura peel and stick?
Peal and sick plus rock backfill
In Virginia I tried ICF basements twice, both because the owners wanted them. One house had I think it was 53 corners in it so it was far faster setting all the ICF's than using standard aluminium concrete forms. The problem that arose about 4 years later was carpenter ants loved to tunnel into the foam and made expressways all over the entire house, you could hear them in the basement . It took a lot of extensive drilling and spraying to get rid of them but the owner wanted ICF construction so that's what he got. As far as I know, he never did finish out the basement which was his intention when we built it, to finish it out. Because of that I never did another one.
Bill Sheffield I'm strongly considering ICF and wondering what kind of waterproofing membrane you used?
@@inmyimage1081 We used a dimpled drainage bd. then applied a peel and stick membrane over that . We put a drain at bottom covered with gravel. I had used a system by superseal on poured concrete walls which is what we always did for basementd and adapted it a little bit to the ICF's. Never had water problems once using it. There are newer systems out there now but I don't keep up with them since I retired from building a few years ago. ICF's never caught on very much back then in our area . They have there good and bad advantages though like most things. Best thing would be to go to a local building expo in your area and see what is available in your part of the country I think. Good luck.
Bill Sheffield Thx, from the videos I have watched the peel and stick membranes seemed to have a tar like sticky substance on them so it surprises me that the ants were able to take up residence.
Will have to keep your experience in mind when looking at protecting the bottom portion of the walls.
@@inmyimage1081 Since there not sub-terranian insects my guess is they entered from inside the basement or crawl space and started there highways from there. Once inside any little crack bigger than 1/64 of an inch and they like termites can go anywhere they want. With ICF's there are voids everywhere inside the walls . I would do lots of research if I were you !!!
Bill Sheffield Thx for the info
From watching other builders using different brands of blocks, I've seen them use a "common seam" on each wall. It might have just not shown up in your video but it didn't look like you used any, is that something that isn't needed/recommended for Nudura or does it matter based on the length of the wall? Or some other reason maybe?
It is need just the same all depends on the length of the wall
Dirt Perfect Thx 👍
How good is ICF at hiding the body/bodies of truck mirror killers ????? sorry kleeman needs to be asked lol
Charles Serong I don’t fit inside 8” walls...
@@CaptainKleeman you would if he went all butcher on you lol ..... not giving him any ideas but if he does then that would make him dirt perfect butcher of ohio lol
What's the cost compared to block or pouring regular walls?
All depends on location and floor plan
Enjoyed the video. How many man hours for setting and pouring? Have a few other questions but will have to the wait till the wife stops yelling at me lol.
Thanks 6 to 8 hrs to stack depending on the crew and 2 to 3 to pour
@@DirtPerfect that's pretty good ,about what is the cost of the icfs for that size job?
20k ish poured
@@DirtPerfect I was meaning just the icfs and components to assemble them. I know aluminum forms are expensive but we have had ours since 2005. Probably stay in service until I retire lol. If taken care of the cost is minimal per job but a huge initial investment.
The squeeky "nails on chalk board" styrofoam sound is cringeworthy. I knew a coworker who would run away at that noise. Be HILARIOUS to see his reaction to this video. Like to see the tie in to the garage floor. Thanks Mike. Cheers!
Lol 😂
I love it. Maybe some day or year, I would like for you to build me a house 😃
What do think about pouring the first 3 or 4 courses then proceeding up
You could be why
@@DirtPerfect Good morning, Dirt Perfect. I am building a Nudura icf up in South Bend, IN with 8" basement walls and a 6" main floor wall to the truss. I have a builder that is helping through the process that was recommended by my Nudura sales rep that has built multiple homes and commercial buildings. He is saying that he will pour the first three courses then basement floor then proceed up. Any suggestions are appreciated.Thanks
Never been a big fan of 6 to 8 nothing to gain there and as far as pouring the first two course then the floor and rest of the wall yes it can be done but it’s a lot more work if you ask me are they bracing from the outside and how do they protect the floor when pouring the walls
I noticed you did your corners like they would do for concrete block. Build your corners and work your way around. are those special braces for ICF? or just common braces. And what do you call them? Wall braces?
Mono braces and yes are for icf
@@DirtPerfect Did you drill holes into the footer for rebar? or did you put it in while it was still wet?
Have done both
Great video, as normal.. There was this guy in college that had the nickname dirty Jay.. But I'm pretty sure it was for a different reason.. Something to do with golf balls and garden hoses.
lol
Why didn't you compact the sub-grade under the rock?
No need was a cut in rock
This might be silly as hell, but I've been curious about using icf to make myself a really cool backyard mancave guy shed. Nothing too crazy, maybe something like 8x12 or something like that. Not sure how crazy I am or if I should just make it out of normal cement blocks oldschool style.
Nope not crazy have built a few over the years
See if you can get "scraps" from a build site.
Have you guys ever done a complex basement with the icfs, if so what kind of time for man hours? Icfs are very seldom used here. I can see where homeowners and contractors with no forms would love them. Curious about cost for 9 ft walls and roughly 250 ft with 25 corners? I ask because that's the rough size of the basements we do and would like to compare. You guys do a great job even the simple things like putting horizontal rebar closer to the inside face. Always the small things that make a great contractor. Hope to see you guys pouring the walls soon. Yes I know its placing but we always say pouring .
math time dirt perfect may correct me here, but I believe the most corners we had in a basement was 38 corners.
@@CaptainKleemanwas hoping to make a comparison of what you guys do versus what we do for cost effectiveness. We run 6 guys on our wall crew most of the time. We can normally set and pour walls in a 9 hour day and wreck in a 6 hour day. Around 90 man hours for a normal set of walls for us. I'm always looking at what others do to try and improve efficiency. From what I see you guys do a very good job and try to do what is right for the customer. Like the videos on icfs hope to see the next one soon.
math time it depends on the basement and complexity obviously, this job was a three man crew, 8 hour stack day, 4 hour tear down. The nice thing about ICF is there just isn’t much to take down. Walk boards and braces with a few “straps” depending on the layout.
@@CaptainKleeman yeah every job is different and definitely changes cost and time. Most of the ones we do are pretty complex. That's one of the reasons we bought a total station to help with layout. I think in the 14 years we been in business I have seen 2 jobs that used icfs. Very rare in this area and hoping to learn more about them. With having our own forms they probably wouldn't be for us but there might be something I can incorporate into what we do. Plus I always like to learn.
math time have to stay educated on all the options that’s for sure. That says a lot about you for staying on top of the industry like that. Smart. Stay safe and be productive.
Might be able to get you some jobs with that basement in Columbus Georgia
Somebody left the truck lights on too.
i think its amazing mate.i realy cant see any issues just pro,s.
Yup good system
I'm in Illinois 3 hours away from you...I'm building a new house (probably next spring). The basement will be 64'x 29'. I can get the hole dug (or you could do it), have concrete lined up and get any other material you may need. Would you have any interest in doing the rest of the work for an icf basement? This is in the country on 5 acres. I understand if you're not interested.
Possibly Email me mike@dirtperfrct1.com
they still look weak when pouring concrete i heard more than one form creak and grone but i like the idea guess the framer is liable for spills
left the headlights on on the white ford LOL
Yup
Now i get it !
Awesome
So are we just gonna gloss over the fact you missed the bucket from 8in away... ?😜 All kidding aside, great info, looking to build my final home in Tennessee in a few years.... nice to have some background info when listening to various Builders
Lol 🤫😝 and would look hard at icf a great product
They are like giant Lego blocks
Exactly
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You ever see an icf wall blow apart when pouring it ,I have lol not fun at all ,,had to use a dozer to push it back and hold it cause the braces let go,lol it was bad day ,that was the one and only time I was on job with that stuff ,,it not liked up here in buffalo lol
I got to help tare down and remove an ICF job that went bad.
Mike Muniak it’s like any material, if a builder isn’t familiar with it or doesn’t understand how it works they will have a bad time. If a crew works with them long enough they learn what to look out for. One nice thing about Nudura is they actually they actually put on installer classes for builders wanting to get into the industry.
Nope over 200 pours few blow outs never came close to loosing a wall tho
@@CaptainKleeman yeah it was the first time that stuff was seen up here ,we just looked at each other and said foam walls lol,,I'm just a dirt guy lol
@@DirtPerfect it was not fun ,but it was the first time that stuff was used up here lol
What does a job like this cost.
Respect to customer don’t like to talk price
I’m not talking exact price I just was is it 20,000 as a 5000 just a rough estimate or a close estimate for what something like that would cost or a square foot price
i live in oklahoma ppl in moore ok would try it
Moore Ok. should encourage the building of ICF houses and ICF safe places.
@@VideosByAl would thick some set up shop down here to sell it