Great work, again. That last clip is priceless. JP is clearly trying to impose his abstract view on gender roles with a heavy salvo of Se nuggets gleaned from generalized reflection, not actual experience, as might be suggested by his career as a clinical psychologist and academic researcher where he is unlikely to be involved in an aggregated 9-5 workplace. The interviewer (ENFP? let's assume ENFP for the following...) is having none of it. Amused, flabbergasted by these assertions, more so the narrowness, the singularity of the view JP is presenting, he must be imagining all of the other possibilities for why these workplace-gender nuances exist. JP presents a fact. Kang then sees a spectrum of possibilities for why that fact exists, which JP then tries to narrow down with another fact. But that new fact presents a new array of possibilities for Kang, further amplifying his resistance to JP’s thematic presentation. It seems to me a classic Hero-Oppositional duel, with Kang providing a seemingly obvious objective meaning for each of the facts JP presents. But such as the duel goes, the Ne refuses to be bound by the archetypical themes, instead paying attention to the variations, while the Ni attempts to bind all the variations into a single archetypical theme, interpreting each variation in light of that theme.
@@ArmChairTypology Yeah, agreed... here we're working with a particular subset of ideas to illuminate valuable themes of typology. I am not sure how Savage's reply lends to the clarity. In fact, my whole comment is about an Ni-Ne dialogue, which he is trying to invert, in a sense. We could argue that line of reasoning, but for the purport of this video is does not seem appropriate.
@@xaosects It is just that you are pointing to thw wrong things. At the end it is just the provocative idea (omg sexism) that Jp highlight that is consider ridiculous and put the other guy in a confuse wtf state. He just embodies the archetype of the SF guy (tribe view). JP didnt explain it well and just narrow in a demon state so the other guy interpret it as sexism. Lol if Ni vs Ne is determine by imposing an abstract view, all intellectuals are Nis or what. Thats much more than that, Thats actually Ti being critical.
Introverted Intuition Remembering patterns absorbing information with ease ... *My psychologist mentioned INFJ as my type after 3 years of session's I now don't feel so alone with my life experiences of feelings that there are a different set of rules for me and how others would perceive me and it wasn't matching up with my own self awareness etc
I was here for a big 5 breakdown that elaborated the sub-components of each psychometric aspect… instead, I found someone that actually aims to further discuss something through honest, educated means
Intriguing, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought JP was an intj haha. His thinking patterns were just like mine if I was much smarter and well read. I'd get frustrated when people would "miss" his point or not understand what he was saying. Like hello, it's obvious...well apparently not lol.
Weird example of an INTP 🤠 I did door to door sales for years and picked up women. I am considered "the friend who got layed alot" in many circles who know me and am considered "the sales friend." But I 100% prefer to be alone watching videos like this and learning shit. I still get awkward with women and in sales and still manage to close deals damn near on accident 24/7. Have many a time "got my dream girl" and am currently with a woman I thought was the shx since I was 16. Jordan Peterson said something like anything outside of the realm of your Big 5 is just you having wisdom. The weight of being extroverted and realizing how many of my abstractions were just IQ mixed in with compensations made me regret my entire life not actively treating extroversion like a Sport. Now my goal is to go to dance classes with my girlfriend and continue to run ads, close deals, run businesses, and study persuasion at the highest degrees possible. However....introverts? Trust me when I say you need to BLINDLY take 90% action and learn how to shut your brain off. It will feel like a sin to ignore your over thinking mind and DOUBLE DOWN my boiiiiiii on just touching. fking. grass. but I assure you my friend - touch grass 10X as much as you theorize what grass is made out of. I assure you when you have FIELD DATA to verify or destroy your theories even your theories will evolve 50X faster.
Am I alone in feeling like I dont want to be trapped in the category of one type? Ive taken the 16personalities test a few times over the years, and i think i got INFP twice and Adventurer/Protagonist the other two times. Its also kind of hard to give the truest (for me) answer, as I feel like I'd have to be put in the situation the questions are asking about to decide.
@@Joyboy0101 not alone I'm sure mostly other INFPs feel that way. Every INFP I've ever mad has a fear of being understandable or categorizable. I personally dislike the archetype of INTP because it feels like people have no idea what an INTP is and just make it out to be some nerdy dork when i consider INTPs to be more introverted Chad/sigmas. This would be akin to saying "am i alone for being caterogize as human because i also share traits of a wolf and a falcon." It's just your personal association with the myers briggs type as for all of us that dislike the categories from time to time.
Your comment has bias against introversion. As if extroverted sensing is better and it’s not. You need to value things outside of your own personal world view
Alan Watts spoke about thinking being an abstraction, and thinking about thinking leading to nonsense. Badly paraphrased by me, but readily available on TH-cam, for a zen buddhist-ish take on some of these themes
I could listen to Peterson for hours. I have. I type him as an INFJ! The clips you shared definitely shined light to his inferior Se ! Great work showing younger him, as people are too quick to make claims from him today but he’s already developed other non-preferred functions.
The ending haha 😂 I’m a female INTJ but new to this whole thing so I’m not sure what it means at a deeper level yet. I do know I’m “difficult” and really struggling with my outer self while being completely fine with my inner self.
Once you understand what Ni is, there is no way to argue that JP is INTP. "We don't know the rules" sounds like the exploration of Ni. INTPs wouldn't do that with Ti hero.
@@savagestudio9666 go watch JP and Sam Harris special and tell me that JP is INTP. He spent the whole time trying to figure out what the archetypal truth was, which I interpret as Ni, while Sam was like bro wtf. No way JP is ENTP lol I don't hear any positive/ hero-like Ne from him ever
@@jonathanbento6219 I didn’t watch a lot of it but it make sense that Jp fight with concepts and Harris with data. Harris is ST Ti Si but if you only agree with 16 types he would be the equivalent of Istp. There are different kinds of Ne and Ni like ofc if you check reality, pushing on patterns is not purely Ni. Universals and archetypes are Nx if it’s external wich is what JP is doing with reading books about historical figures it’s Ne. In fact mathematically the type most archetypically driven is Entp. Ne and Fe are optimistic and they are the most concern with archetypes figures across people and history. But it is still fair to type JP Infj, lead Nx, Fe and Ti (wich most people can’t even see), strong Ti. I just see lead Perceiver, Ne and demon Si more clearly, it will just explain more, that’s how I see typing. Ni is just a crazy man with a vision that he can’t even describe in most case, Ne are intellectuals that push free speech and openness.
@@savagestudio9666 This is exactly what I talk about when I say I delete the basement dweller comments. Whoever wrote this did it while sporting a neckbeard and a fedora.
Arm Chair Typology *golf clap* I'm digging the active engagement in repudiating comments of a particular nature. It's refreshing to see the comments section isn't full of "Ooh that's me" yes men.
How so? He was seemingly only a professor and psychologist when the video was taken. Now he is a hero to many. He is launching Peterson Academy and releasing another book. I don’t see how he is in a bad place right now.
He has an interest in understanding evil. I agree an INFJ but he uses a lot of his third function and I think he has taught himself how to enter other personalities when needed. INFJs are chameleons so not surprising.
@@madcyborg1822 Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. It's a personality test. INFJ and INTJ are the two types with Introverted Intuition (Ni) as a dominant function.
@@brain0nfire I actually did some research after putting my comment out there. First of all, how does "Ni" stand for Introverted Intuition? Wouldn't that just be "I I"?
I don't know for sure here but it seems like maybe the clips were selected in a way to support the theory of him being an introverted intuitive. The last scene especially. It just makes sense what he is saying. Sure he is talking about sexuality in the work place if men and women can work together without sexual harrassment. He isn't supporting the commonly held view now adays so that speaks against extroverted sensation being expressed, which may happen when he has his emotions high/acting more unconscious(if he was an introverted intuitive.) It does say he is an introvert and it seems like more of an extroverted archaic feeling being expressed unconsciously and that would be as a result of his ego consciousness siding with introverted thinking. You know it's hard to judge so easily. It feels like you got to know the person in a very intimate way and/or really observe them. How he talks about sexuality could also be the effect of his relation to his mother, the mother complex, other complexes or inferiorities that come from childhood but are still present. I doubt he has done analysis himself. He seems too prideful for that, besides he took anti anxiety or depression drugs, that is not very Jungian. He seems to me like he has been hurt in the past and defensiveness may be only increasing his shadow. His reactions to people calling him names and stuff in the past, like someone calling him a N-A.Z*I was very telling. It struck a real nerve. It wasn't "right" and it caused severe emotion. It also matters what type of auxillary functions he has and how developed his other functions are. It is unlikely such a successful and experienced person is a more or less pure type. I didn't think about this serious like you did for very long but i'd say he is introverted thinking with a good deal of intuitive. Just my opinion.
I agree with the last clip wholeheartedly. Makeup is literally used to elicit attraction by females from males. They can say “it’s for me” all they want, but if they fall under a certain ratio of compliments to criticisms you can guarantee they’re gonna change that make up at some point. Are women more attractive with makeup? Obviously. What use for the company does it have for the men to be more aroused than they would be on average or am I hitting the nail on the head for the allowance of make up in the workplace? Maybe men work harder when there are more attractive women around that seems plausible but if the specific debate is of a sexual harassment kind of nature in the workplace then it doesn’t take a lot of thinking power to understand why it happens and that make up would definitely be a contributing factor.
if the reason women wear makeup is to be sexually attractive to the opposite sex, how do you explain women who wear makeup in totally female dominated industries. i'm not saying he/you are wrong in that, but i would not be happy if they put a ban on makeup in the workplace and i never see men in my job... just trying to understand.
It's multifactorial, are we tumbling down to a Freudian era again? There's the mating instinct, sure. But makeup is also creative, it's expression, it's socialization, for some women even spiritual and artistic. If you do away with that instead of asking of men some increase of conscience, i don't know what to say.
Hmmm. He might demonstrate Te, but he's not an Ni dom, IMO, because he see objects as objectives, which doesnt jive with introverted intuitives. The objective, personally, for these types would be what was once called, Nirvana, free of want/need. Introverted doms are far more concerned with "life as me", and intuitive doma appear to "cut to the chaae" and find the IDEA that completes the objective... making it essential to identify patterns for outcomes... and I mean generally, without even any particular outcome being relevant. It's really Introverted feeling and Se that help us clarify how/when to apply any particular route to that goal. I think this is why INTJs are really good at helping people troubleshoot... its like we are naturally empathic, but more as a "by product" of accumulation of various perspectives, and wanting to be as efficient as possible. Hence we aren't really good at objects themselves, only as "forms of" the real object. Probably why Socrates (according to Plato) definitely fitting an INTJ. The unintentional offended with rock solid "feelings", personally held virtues, that compelled him to "do too much", once he got on his pursuit/journey... everything else he examined (and likely understood better than he would ever confess) was incidental to that pursuit... Introverted intuitive in a nutshell
People are not looking at this properly. JP has a Ti-Si loop and is likely intuitive. Si duty can look like Ni desires. The fact is, he has absolutely zero Se at all and is using Ne often. The dumbest thing people do is act like the 3rd and 4th functions are weak enough to be almost absent. The hero is on an axis with the inferior as is parent with child so they both are yin and yang to each other, not opposite sides of the coin. JP has deep shadow level Se, not inferior level. Not seeing much Ni that can't be explained as Ne through Ti + Si. Definitely cognitively introverted. He's either an INTP or an ISFJ and with his abstractions
He's an ENTJ, his work ethic and his ability to identify other great thinkers and bring them together in communion to work with him, like Jonathan Pageau, John Vervaeke and Bishop Barron. This is not unlike how Steve Jobs (ENTJ) would pick out certain people who shined and bring them into his company. And now Jordan has started his own college. His strength is not just his rhetorical ability but his ability to delegate, coperate and run a company. I dunno, just seems very extraverted thinking to me.
Well God loved us when we were yet sinners. Romans 5:8(But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us) . However I agree on the point of free will in that one can change and should change. What I believe is that those who truly don't deserve love are those who when given an opportunity, choose to blow it instead. It should be game over for them and God does this too as it says that no more sacrifice is left for such. In short, everybody deserves a chance but when squandered, game over!
Rand is a great example of INTJ. How on earth you miss Jordan is Ti dominate many is beyond me. He is analytics for days. For anyone wanting to see the difference between Ti and Ni go watch the JP vs Sam Harris debate. See how Peterson keeps trying to drill deeper into his own complicated reasoning - this is what Ti looks like in an INTP. See how Sam confidently sweeps through what he knows succinctly, fluidly and clearly. Sam is an INFJ. That debate is real life education on contrasting cognitive functions. As for inferior functions, Peterson describes himself as being embarrassingly agreeable. This is because Fe is his stress point.
Peterson has been talking about status forever. He clearly values it above all else. This is a personal reasoning of his. He imagines without wealth, status and the lack of recognition, he too, would feel like shooting up a place, just like when he felt like nothing. But just like the boy who did it, Peterson is ill, and no amount of acclaim can correct the self-loathing that accompanies mental illnesses.
He definitely has an obsession with hierarchies. None of his arguments exist without that basis, and anything outside of that, he fumbles to speak about until he can bring back the conversation to what he sees as "true." A big part of the problem is his thinking has become more rigid and inflexible. He puts so much belief into his "truths" and that's the problem, it starts to feel like a religion to him rather than a scientific exploration. Science is proven and reproven, and a lot of his claims cannot be fully proven, they are just guesses. He wants to make them into scientific theories; scientific theories are basically true and proven with enough evidence to back it up, while Petersons claims have some truth to them, they are not anywhere close to scientifically true, they're on the edge of truth.
@@Kal-EL_Volta Well, I think he puts his own slant on things. He says high -status people have increased positive emotion and thus, better quality of life than the lower classes. But the literature actually states it is the feeling of control that confers these benefits, and if middle class people feel the same level of control over their work and lifestyle, there is no difference in the level of positive emotion one feels or quality of life. Peterson is obsessed with IQ and social validation, which is why he would never mention this finding.
No. This is incorrect. You can have immature as well as mature introverted intuitives. This aspect of your personality is really not going to change over the course of your life. i.e. young immature IN's will lack experience, mature experienced IN's will of course be experienced. The difference being that their intuition will be grounded and have a very high likelihood of predicting the real world given an extremely small amount of data relative to say an IS or ES who will need to be given every detail to understand such as what I am giving you right now. The Introverted Intuitive will still be an IN though and not something else. There are however multiple types of Introverted Intuitives. Some will be morally oriented and some will be aesthetically oriented with most somewhere in the middle. Then you can mature other aspects of your personality while still remaining an Introverted Intuitive, but Myers Briggs cannot track that very well. It's pretty blind to that. For that, you need either The Big Five test and/or the Enneagram both of which are far more accurate, but less useful in social conversations to describe a personality. Even a subtle change in other aspects can have large changes apparent in the person while still maintaining the same core personality. Even if you are only referencing MB though, IN is only part of the overall picture they can be INFP, INFJ, INTP, or INTJ (myself). All of which radically change who we are dealing with and with a universe of difference inside each one.
Great take!! This video didn’t sit well with me for many reasons particularly because of the fact that Jung has been quoted to say that “truer” expressions of IN types wouldn’t be stupid enough to express underdeveloped abstract ideas to a multitude of varying degrees of consciousness because they are intuitive enough to know how it would be received and the two examples given here (JP and AYN RAND THE RACE REALIST) are both overly confident in ideas that are both not totally translatable to grounded reality but there’s also no sense of a creature-feeling. They both lack the kind of empathy that can be measured using metrics like the IRI scale and i’d argue high correlation between higher levels of empathy + meaningful information processing and intuition. This is one of my main issues with MBTI diehards.
But that dude at the end... WoW 😳 He's got to be the main Primary candidate for the HE MAN WOMAN HATER'S CLUB The poison in the air is thick around this one. ☠️
@loonadeux personality isnt a science, its mostly intuition and pattern recognition. The details would take to long to expand on. Listen to Talking with Famous People, he's pretty good at typing
INTJs are definitely soft, but it's rarely seen from the outside. JP is not a thinker, I'm an INFJ (5w4) and can be mistaken for a T because of a strong Ni Ti loop and the constant urge to "play" (intellectually) which is Ti child.
I don't think he is politically naive at all, quite the opposite. Though I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that, but I'm assuming because of his opposing to a few key "woke" ideology tenets. Then I would say, isn't a defining feature of Introverted Intuition the ability to recognize the ripple effect and the long term consequense of things? Drawing from patterns to intuitively see where the road ends so to speak? That's why I think he is so outspoken about a few of these relatively recent inventions being pushed in mainstream woke politics.
I don’t see his political naivety due to him opposing ‘woke’. Often I agree with him on this. No, it’s things like him not thinking inequality is an issue deserving serious attention; I’ve heard him do what many on the right do; extend the time interval between compared dates to say ‘there’s less poverty in the west than in Victorian times’ for eg. What this does is ignores much more recent but significant erosion of working people’s employment conditions. It allows a deliberate blindness, to serve a right wing and conservative political position. I find it hard to see an INFJ show such disregard for relevant facts, especially regarding the important subject of inequality and poverty. Some have suggested INTP for him, but I’m not sure.
@@Coneman3 I think the answer to why he does that is that an INFJ is generally close to their emotions, and have a great deal of empathy. And for Jordan that empathy can almost be applied to western society as a whole, in my opinion. And he'll defend the west because that, despite it's flaws, it's still better now than in the victorian times. He just wants you to "get that in your head", You see what I mean? For example Jordan will often romaticize and get emotional about topics like despair in young invisible men, despite there surely being a portion of those men that aren't good people, the majority is. I think that him glossing over facts to paint a picture that aligns with whatever point he is trying to make, as a punchline, is perfectly in line with INTJ. Probably not done intentionally all the time, say it's in the middle of an interview that's rather accusatory which isn't uncommon. Then the feeling aspect will come into play while making claims like that.
Make up is there to lure men? Women don’t do all the things they do for men. Also, human beings are responsible for their own behavior and actions. This is not even gender specific. Existence of another person in a shared environment is not an invitation nor a lure nor an excuse for violence or forced sexual encounters or engagement. That isn’t anyone else’s responsibility but his own to address. His hyper fixation on it doesn’t mean everyone else is having this issue, and to suggest this is all there is shows fundamentally flawed reasoning, and a lot of excuses for otherwise dehumanizing others in a predatory frame.
I'd rather say INFJ or INTJ probably. He doesn't look naturally extroverted, I suppose he trained and practiced to unlock and master extroverted communication. In his book "12 rules for life" he wrote that he has always hated noisy parties with too much crowd since he was a kid, prefering a small number of people to have structured discussions. There's no more "introvert" statement, I swear.
You think JP is an introvert? 😄 He is literally incapable of shutting his mouth or going a day without farming for attention. He is constantly interviewing people and doing public speaking tours. There is nothing introverted about him at all. No introvert could maintain the lifestyle that JP has. In my opinion he is an ENTP that became more ENFP in his older age
Hey bro I think your view on introversion/extroversion is too narrow, it is not as simplistic as to say because someone lives a certain lifestyle they have to be either introverted or extroverted. There are many factors in play
@@Unknown-wl7vl introverted intuitives are not traditional, they lack introverted sensing, they will have no awareness of traditional values, also, he frequently talks about his thought process of building hierarchies and assemblies of thoughts, which is different from the meditative state intuitives have, he has extremely high industriousness, more typical of someone who is constantly using the left side of the brain, which is where introverted thinking comes from
Great work, again. That last clip is priceless. JP is clearly trying to impose his abstract view on gender roles with a heavy salvo of Se nuggets gleaned from generalized reflection, not actual experience, as might be suggested by his career as a clinical psychologist and academic researcher where he is unlikely to be involved in an aggregated 9-5 workplace. The interviewer (ENFP? let's assume ENFP for the following...) is having none of it. Amused, flabbergasted by these assertions, more so the narrowness, the singularity of the view JP is presenting, he must be imagining all of the other possibilities for why these workplace-gender nuances exist. JP presents a fact. Kang then sees a spectrum of possibilities for why that fact exists, which JP then tries to narrow down with another fact. But that new fact presents a new array of possibilities for Kang, further amplifying his resistance to JP’s thematic presentation. It seems to me a classic Hero-Oppositional duel, with Kang providing a seemingly obvious objective meaning for each of the facts JP presents. But such as the duel goes, the Ne refuses to be bound by the archetypical themes, instead paying attention to the variations, while the Ni attempts to bind all the variations into a single archetypical theme, interpreting each variation in light of that theme.
@@savagestudio9666 This is word salad, I usually delete nonsense like this but it's a reply to someone else.
@@ArmChairTypology Yeah, agreed... here we're working with a particular subset of ideas to illuminate valuable themes of typology. I am not sure how Savage's reply lends to the clarity. In fact, my whole comment is about an Ni-Ne dialogue, which he is trying to invert, in a sense. We could argue that line of reasoning, but for the purport of this video is does not seem appropriate.
@@ArmChairTypology I didnt see my comment as much in a negative light lol well ok
@@xaosects It is just that you are pointing to thw wrong things. At the end it is just the provocative idea (omg sexism) that Jp highlight that is consider ridiculous and put the other guy in a confuse wtf state. He just embodies the archetype of the SF guy (tribe view). JP didnt explain it well and just narrow in a demon state so the other guy interpret it as sexism. Lol if Ni vs Ne is determine by imposing an abstract view, all intellectuals are Nis or what. Thats much more than that, Thats actually Ti being critical.
@@savagestudio9666 The comment was nonsense but now you've deleted it.
Holy shit he is young here
I read he is Jung here
@@MYNKS18 I mean you're both not wrong.
I didnt believe it until i heard him speak
@@MYNKS18😂😂
Damn!!!!!!! Unrecognisable!
He is amazing, especially at the end. My teachers, K-12th grade, never wore makeup.
Introverted Intuition Remembering patterns absorbing information with ease ...
*My psychologist mentioned INFJ as my type after 3 years of session's
I now don't feel so alone with my life experiences of feelings that there are a different set of rules for me and how others would perceive me and it wasn't matching up with my own self awareness etc
I was here for a big 5 breakdown that elaborated the sub-components of each psychometric aspect… instead, I found someone that actually aims to further discuss something through honest, educated means
Intriguing, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought JP was an intj haha. His thinking patterns were just like mine if I was much smarter and well read. I'd get frustrated when people would "miss" his point or not understand what he was saying. Like hello, it's obvious...well apparently not lol.
Yeah, we see the world through a different part of the light spectrum.
@@c.j.giordano2129 yeah, but why is he?
Entj, Peterson is more te se than ni fi. He looks to se motives and not fi motives in explaining human behavior.
INFJ
Jp is an INTP
Weird example of an INTP 🤠
I did door to door sales for years and picked up women. I am considered "the friend who got layed alot" in many circles who know me and am considered "the sales friend." But I 100% prefer to be alone watching videos like this and learning shit.
I still get awkward with women and in sales and still manage to close deals damn near on accident 24/7. Have many a time "got my dream girl" and am currently with a woman I thought was the shx since I was 16. Jordan Peterson said something like anything outside of the realm of your Big 5 is just you having wisdom.
The weight of being extroverted and realizing how many of my abstractions were just IQ mixed in with compensations made me regret my entire life not actively treating extroversion like a Sport. Now my goal is to go to dance classes with my girlfriend and continue to run ads, close deals, run businesses, and study persuasion at the highest degrees possible.
However....introverts? Trust me when I say you need to BLINDLY take 90% action and learn how to shut your brain off. It will feel like a sin to ignore your over thinking mind and DOUBLE DOWN my boiiiiiii on just touching. fking. grass. but I assure you my friend - touch grass 10X as much as you theorize what grass is made out of.
I assure you when you have FIELD DATA to verify or destroy your theories even your theories will evolve 50X faster.
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Very good comment. Blind action my boiiiii
Am I alone in feeling like I dont want to be trapped in the category of one type? Ive taken the 16personalities test a few times over the years, and i think i got INFP twice and Adventurer/Protagonist the other two times. Its also kind of hard to give the truest (for me) answer, as I feel like I'd have to be put in the situation the questions are asking about to decide.
@@Joyboy0101 not alone I'm sure mostly other INFPs feel that way. Every INFP I've ever mad has a fear of being understandable or categorizable.
I personally dislike the archetype of INTP because it feels like people have no idea what an INTP is and just make it out to be some nerdy dork when i consider INTPs to be more introverted Chad/sigmas.
This would be akin to saying "am i alone for being caterogize as human because i also share traits of a wolf and a falcon."
It's just your personal association with the myers briggs type as for all of us that dislike the categories from time to time.
Your comment has bias against introversion. As if extroverted sensing is better and it’s not. You need to value things outside of your own personal world view
Alan Watts spoke about thinking being an abstraction, and thinking about thinking leading to nonsense. Badly paraphrased by me, but readily available on TH-cam, for a zen buddhist-ish take on some of these themes
Alan Watts is lit
I could listen to Peterson for hours. I have.
I type him as an INFJ! The clips you shared definitely shined light to his inferior Se !
Great work showing younger him, as people are too quick to make claims from him today but he’s already developed other non-preferred functions.
He is an INTP
I think he's an extravert, open minded and he is very empathetic. Even gets emotional on camera.
Also he's energetic and really likes people
ENTj
The ending haha 😂
I’m a female INTJ but new to this whole thing so I’m not sure what it means at a deeper level yet. I do know I’m “difficult” and really struggling with my outer self while being completely fine with my inner self.
I'm older INTJ , can relate.
This is such an old upload, strange to me that it's gaining in popularity. I blame the thumbnail.
Never expected to see a chunky JP
Pre carnivore
Once you understand what Ni is, there is no way to argue that JP is INTP. "We don't know the rules" sounds like the exploration of Ni. INTPs wouldn't do that with Ti hero.
@@savagestudio9666 go watch JP and Sam Harris special and tell me that JP is INTP. He spent the whole time trying to figure out what the archetypal truth was, which I interpret as Ni, while Sam was like bro wtf. No way JP is ENTP lol I don't hear any positive/ hero-like Ne from him ever
@@jonathanbento6219 I didn’t watch a lot of it but it make sense that Jp fight with concepts and Harris with data. Harris is ST Ti Si but if you only agree with 16 types he would be the equivalent of Istp. There are different kinds of Ne and Ni like ofc if you check reality, pushing on patterns is not purely Ni. Universals and archetypes are Nx if it’s external wich is what JP is doing with reading books about historical figures it’s Ne. In fact mathematically the type most archetypically driven is Entp. Ne and Fe are optimistic and they are the most concern with archetypes figures across people and history. But it is still fair to type JP Infj, lead Nx, Fe and Ti (wich most people can’t even see), strong Ti. I just see lead Perceiver, Ne and demon Si more clearly, it will just explain more, that’s how I see typing. Ni is just a crazy man with a vision that he can’t even describe in most case, Ne are intellectuals that push free speech and openness.
@@savagestudio9666 This is exactly what I talk about when I say I delete the basement dweller comments. Whoever wrote this did it while sporting a neckbeard and a fedora.
Arm Chair Typology
*golf clap*
I'm digging the active engagement in repudiating comments of a particular nature.
It's refreshing to see the comments section isn't full of "Ooh that's me" yes men.
And what about INTPs being originally Ni-Ti-Fe-Se? I read somewhere that this are the original INTP functions.
The opening 17 seconds ironically describes his own transformation over the years.
People talk to themselves when giving advice
@@Amaend8 Exactly. Every advice always comes from "if I were you".
@@PatrickSilent uhum
I mean...it could apply to most people in a way. That's kinda the point.
How so? He was seemingly only a professor and psychologist when the video was taken. Now he is a hero to many. He is launching Peterson Academy and releasing another book. I don’t see how he is in a bad place right now.
I think jordan is an INFJ. Quite agreeable, being able to sense the room, good with Fe, but defenitely an Ni dom.
"Make your damn bed" Nah, he's an INTJ.
can someone please tell me what the hell is "INFJ" or "INTJ" or "Ni Dom" and those things?
He has an interest in understanding evil. I agree an INFJ but he uses a lot of his third function and I think he has taught himself how to enter other personalities when needed. INFJs are chameleons so not surprising.
@@madcyborg1822 Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. It's a personality test. INFJ and INTJ are the two types with Introverted Intuition (Ni) as a dominant function.
@@brain0nfire I actually did some research after putting my comment out there. First of all, how does "Ni" stand for Introverted Intuition? Wouldn't that just be "I I"?
I don't know for sure here but it seems like maybe the clips were selected in a way to support the theory of him being an introverted intuitive. The last scene especially. It just makes sense what he is saying. Sure he is talking about sexuality in the work place if men and women can work together without sexual harrassment. He isn't supporting the commonly held view now adays so that speaks against extroverted sensation being expressed, which may happen when he has his emotions high/acting more unconscious(if he was an introverted intuitive.) It does say he is an introvert and it seems like more of an extroverted archaic feeling being expressed unconsciously and that would be as a result of his ego consciousness siding with introverted thinking. You know it's hard to judge so easily. It feels like you got to know the person in a very intimate way and/or really observe them. How he talks about sexuality could also be the effect of his relation to his mother, the mother complex, other complexes or inferiorities that come from childhood but are still present. I doubt he has done analysis himself. He seems too prideful for that, besides he took anti anxiety or depression drugs, that is not very Jungian. He seems to me like he has been hurt in the past and defensiveness may be only increasing his shadow. His reactions to people calling him names and stuff in the past, like someone calling him a N-A.Z*I was very telling. It struck a real nerve. It wasn't "right" and it caused severe emotion. It also matters what type of auxillary functions he has and how developed his other functions are. It is unlikely such a successful and experienced person is a more or less pure type.
I didn't think about this serious like you did for very long but i'd say he is introverted thinking with a good deal of intuitive. Just my opinion.
I agree with the last clip wholeheartedly. Makeup is literally used to elicit attraction by females from males. They can say “it’s for me” all they want, but if they fall under a certain ratio of compliments to criticisms you can guarantee they’re gonna change that make up at some point. Are women more attractive with makeup? Obviously. What use for the company does it have for the men to be more aroused than they would be on average or am I hitting the nail on the head for the allowance of make up in the workplace? Maybe men work harder when there are more attractive women around that seems plausible but if the specific debate is of a sexual harassment kind of nature in the workplace then it doesn’t take a lot of thinking power to understand why it happens and that make up would definitely be a contributing factor.
The reaction of the Asian man at the end of the video was sad, but likey the majority opinion. So many soy-boys in the West.
if the reason women wear makeup is to be sexually attractive to the opposite sex, how do you explain women who wear makeup in totally female dominated industries. i'm not saying he/you are wrong in that, but i would not be happy if they put a ban on makeup in the workplace and i never see men in my job... just trying to understand.
I wear makeup to look less scary 😂
It's multifactorial, are we tumbling down to a Freudian era again? There's the mating instinct, sure. But makeup is also creative, it's expression, it's socialization, for some women even spiritual and artistic. If you do away with that instead of asking of men some increase of conscience, i don't know what to say.
Hmmm. He might demonstrate Te, but he's not an Ni dom, IMO, because he see objects as objectives, which doesnt jive with introverted intuitives.
The objective, personally, for these types would be what was once called, Nirvana, free of want/need.
Introverted doms are far more concerned with "life as me", and intuitive doma appear to "cut to the chaae" and find the IDEA that completes the objective... making it essential to identify patterns for outcomes... and I mean generally, without even any particular outcome being relevant.
It's really Introverted feeling and Se that help us clarify how/when to apply any particular route to that goal.
I think this is why INTJs are really good at helping people troubleshoot... its like we are naturally empathic, but more as a "by product" of accumulation of various perspectives, and wanting to be as efficient as possible.
Hence we aren't really good at objects themselves, only as "forms of" the real object. Probably why Socrates (according to Plato) definitely fitting an INTJ. The unintentional offended with rock solid "feelings", personally held virtues, that compelled him to "do too much", once he got on his pursuit/journey... everything else he examined (and likely understood better than he would ever confess) was incidental to that pursuit... Introverted intuitive in a nutshell
Jordan Peterson doing a Louis CK impression
Too complicated, I’m gonna crack another beer and watch gaming videos
Addicted to make up like man to coffee + Make up hides the pimples
JP looks like a Die Hard movie villain here 😂
Chungus Peterson
People are not looking at this properly. JP has a Ti-Si loop and is likely intuitive. Si duty can look like Ni desires. The fact is, he has absolutely zero Se at all and is using Ne often.
The dumbest thing people do is act like the 3rd and 4th functions are weak enough to be almost absent. The hero is on an axis with the inferior as is parent with child so they both are yin and yang to each other, not opposite sides of the coin. JP has deep shadow level Se, not inferior level.
Not seeing much Ni that can't be explained as Ne through Ti + Si. Definitely cognitively introverted.
He's either an INTP or an ISFJ and with his abstractions
love the video
He's an ENTJ, his work ethic and his ability to identify other great thinkers and bring them together in communion to work with him, like Jonathan Pageau, John Vervaeke and Bishop Barron. This is not unlike how Steve Jobs (ENTJ) would pick out certain people who shined and bring them into his company. And now Jordan has started his own college. His strength is not just his rhetorical ability but his ability to delegate, coperate and run a company. I dunno, just seems very extraverted thinking to me.
I concur
Beebe said he’s introverted thinking dominant
Possibly, thinking as auxiliary, given that his sensation and feeling is so neglected.
Well God loved us when we were yet sinners. Romans 5:8(But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us) .
However I agree on the point of free will in that one can change and should change. What I believe is that those who truly don't deserve love are those who when given an opportunity, choose to blow it instead. It should be game over for them and God does this too as it says that no more sacrifice is left for such.
In short, everybody deserves a chance but when squandered, game over!
Underrated comment. Have a like.
Rand is a great example of INTJ. How on earth you miss Jordan is Ti dominate many is beyond me. He is analytics for days.
For anyone wanting to see the difference between Ti and Ni go watch the JP vs Sam Harris debate. See how Peterson keeps trying to drill deeper into his own complicated reasoning - this is what Ti looks like in an INTP. See how Sam confidently sweeps through what he knows succinctly, fluidly and clearly. Sam is an INFJ. That debate is real life education on contrasting cognitive functions.
As for inferior functions, Peterson describes himself as being embarrassingly agreeable. This is because Fe is his stress point.
I dont know what ti and fe mean, some kind of personality parameters?
@@slavko321 google
You are wrong. Jordan Peterson is INFJ and sam Harris is INTJ. Both have dominant introverted intuition.
@@psychostranger2097 you are clueless
He is intp sees patterns in people, can’t see the whole picture of both sides
Does anyone know how old he is here?
I'm curious too
Whats the womens name? Iron ran?
Ayn Rand
@@olaydub1662 thanks my man
What does this have to do with topology?
Typology you mean?
I don’t know why, but in this video he reminds me of Peter Dinklage from Elf
He definitely looks young
Peterson is extraverted Feeling type with introverted intuition. ENFJ
He looks healthier here, albeit a bit chubbyish. The videos from 2017 on where he's slim as fk he don't look healthy.
A fat Jordan? Never thought I'd see the day
Lol didn't even recognize him in thumb nail
Chunky
Peterson has been talking about status forever. He clearly values it above all else. This is a personal reasoning of his. He imagines without wealth, status and the lack of recognition, he too, would feel like shooting up a place, just like when he felt like nothing. But just like the boy who did it, Peterson is ill, and no amount of acclaim can correct the self-loathing that accompanies mental illnesses.
He definitely has an obsession with hierarchies. None of his arguments exist without that basis, and anything outside of that, he fumbles to speak about until he can bring back the conversation to what he sees as "true."
A big part of the problem is his thinking has become more rigid and inflexible. He puts so much belief into his "truths" and that's the problem, it starts to feel like a religion to him rather than a scientific exploration.
Science is proven and reproven, and a lot of his claims cannot be fully proven, they are just guesses. He wants to make them into scientific theories; scientific theories are basically true and proven with enough evidence to back it up, while Petersons claims have some truth to them, they are not anywhere close to scientifically true, they're on the edge of truth.
@jamjox9922 what things does he say that are on the edge of truth?
@@Kal-EL_Volta Well, I think he puts his own slant on things. He says high -status people have increased positive emotion and thus, better quality of life than the lower classes. But the literature actually states it is the feeling of control that confers these benefits, and if middle class people feel the same level of control over their work and lifestyle, there is no difference in the level of positive emotion one feels or quality of life. Peterson is obsessed with IQ and social validation, which is why he would never mention this finding.
Wow! Peterson is sooo Jung.
I see what you did there
Jordan Fattyson
He is dr strange
No. This is incorrect. You can have immature as well as mature introverted intuitives. This aspect of your personality is really not going to change over the course of your life. i.e. young immature IN's will lack experience, mature experienced IN's will of course be experienced. The difference being that their intuition will be grounded and have a very high likelihood of predicting the real world given an extremely small amount of data relative to say an IS or ES who will need to be given every detail to understand such as what I am giving you right now. The Introverted Intuitive will still be an IN though and not something else.
There are however multiple types of Introverted Intuitives. Some will be morally oriented and some will be aesthetically oriented with most somewhere in the middle. Then you can mature other aspects of your personality while still remaining an Introverted Intuitive, but Myers Briggs cannot track that very well. It's pretty blind to that. For that, you need either The Big Five test and/or the Enneagram both of which are far more accurate, but less useful in social conversations to describe a personality. Even a subtle change in other aspects can have large changes apparent in the person while still maintaining the same core personality.
Even if you are only referencing MB though, IN is only part of the overall picture they can be INFP, INFJ, INTP, or INTJ (myself). All of which radically change who we are dealing with and with a universe of difference inside each one.
Great take!! This video didn’t sit well with me for many reasons particularly because of the fact that Jung has been quoted to say that “truer” expressions of IN types wouldn’t be stupid enough to express underdeveloped abstract ideas to a multitude of varying degrees of consciousness because they are intuitive enough to know how it would be received and the two examples given here (JP and AYN RAND THE RACE REALIST) are both overly confident in ideas that are both not totally translatable to grounded reality but there’s also no sense of a creature-feeling. They both lack the kind of empathy that can be measured using metrics like the IRI scale and i’d argue high correlation between higher levels of empathy + meaningful information processing and intuition. This is one of my main issues with MBTI diehards.
no no jordan you arent fooling this guy
jeez open your eyes people
u wanna know about intu intro
come ask us !!!🎉
But that dude at the end...
WoW 😳
He's got to be the main
Primary candidate for the
HE MAN WOMAN HATER'S CLUB
The poison in the air is
thick around this one. ☠️
You dont get it.
@@Wholly_Fooluhhhh no?
You don't get me.
I was making a joke.
But I also sense the depth of
his conviction/condition. ✌️
Wow
Faith and 💘 can't not be forced
jp is an entp. def not ni. he was oficially typed by ops.
Ops is awful, hes no ENTP, that would be Ben Shapiro
ben shapiro is intj definitely mot entp.
@loonadeux nah dude, Ben is the debater type which is ENTP and hes extraverted, hes too fast to be Ni.
very scientific typing process you got there.
@loonadeux personality isnt a science, its mostly intuition and pattern recognition. The details would take to long to expand on. Listen to Talking with Famous People, he's pretty good at typing
Is this method of analysis real or pseudoscience?
All science is pseudoscience. Everything gets disproven in time
Its definitely closer to proper science than Astrology is.
Jordan Fatterson
INTJ and disagreeable as hell 😝
Ya just improve yourself you'll get respect from everyone
He is not a infj he is a entj
Intp Jordan is
INFJ
He is not INTJ for sure. Too emotional, too vulnerable for outer impact.
Lmao INTJs are one of the softest, most emotional and sensitive types with their Fi child
@@dxfifa yeah, most logical people are the most emotional. Totally makes sense.
@@dreamboundme I don't think you know what Fi child is...
@@cmccoy793 too bad you don't think
INTJs are definitely soft, but it's rarely seen from the outside. JP is not a thinker, I'm an INFJ (5w4) and can be mistaken for a T because of a strong Ni Ti loop and the constant urge to "play" (intellectually) which is Ti child.
Why is Jordan so politically naive? That makes me question his INFJ typing.
I don't think he is politically naive at all, quite the opposite. Though I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that, but I'm assuming because of his opposing to a few key "woke" ideology tenets. Then I would say, isn't a defining feature of Introverted Intuition the ability to recognize the ripple effect and the long term consequense of things? Drawing from patterns to intuitively see where the road ends so to speak? That's why I think he is so outspoken about a few of these relatively recent inventions being pushed in mainstream woke politics.
I don’t see his political naivety due to him opposing ‘woke’. Often I agree with him on this. No, it’s things like him not thinking inequality is an issue deserving serious attention; I’ve heard him do what many on the right do; extend the time interval between compared dates to say ‘there’s less poverty in the west than in Victorian times’ for eg. What this does is ignores much more recent but significant erosion of working people’s employment conditions. It allows a deliberate blindness, to serve a right wing and conservative political position. I find it hard to see an INFJ show such disregard for relevant facts, especially regarding the important subject of inequality and poverty. Some have suggested INTP for him, but I’m not sure.
@@Coneman3 I think the answer to why he does that is that an INFJ is generally close to their emotions, and have a great deal of empathy. And for Jordan that empathy can almost be applied to western society as a whole, in my opinion. And he'll defend the west because that, despite it's flaws, it's still better now than in the victorian times. He just wants you to "get that in your head", You see what I mean? For example Jordan will often romaticize and get emotional about topics like despair in young invisible men, despite there surely being a portion of those men that aren't good people, the majority is. I think that him glossing over facts to paint a picture that aligns with whatever point he is trying to make, as a punchline, is perfectly in line with INTJ. Probably not done intentionally all the time, say it's in the middle of an interview that's rather accusatory which isn't uncommon. Then the feeling aspect will come into play while making claims like that.
He was going to be a political scientist.
As an INFJ myself, I recognize an INFJ within him.
Make up is there to lure men?
Women don’t do all the things they do for men.
Also, human beings are responsible for their own behavior and actions. This is not even gender specific. Existence of another person in a shared environment is not an invitation nor a lure nor an excuse for violence or forced sexual encounters or engagement. That isn’t anyone else’s responsibility but his own to address. His hyper fixation on it doesn’t mean everyone else is having this issue, and to suggest this is all there is shows fundamentally flawed reasoning, and a lot of excuses for otherwise dehumanizing others in a predatory frame.
Cope.
Peterson in ENFJ
Stop it , get some help meme plays
I'd rather say INFJ or INTJ probably. He doesn't look naturally extroverted, I suppose he trained and practiced to unlock and master extroverted communication.
In his book "12 rules for life" he wrote that he has always hated noisy parties with too much crowd since he was a kid, prefering a small number of people to have structured discussions. There's no more "introvert" statement, I swear.
Im a female INTJ.
You think JP is an introvert? 😄 He is literally incapable of shutting his mouth or going a day without farming for attention. He is constantly interviewing people and doing public speaking tours. There is nothing introverted about him at all. No introvert could maintain the lifestyle that JP has. In my opinion he is an ENTP that became more ENFP in his older age
I think that's why he often cries at certain points in his interviews, it always strikes me as near-pornographic exhibitionism.
Or maybe he's pushing himself in the more extroverted direction.....
But hey, that might be too 3d for for u.
Hey bro I think your view on introversion/extroversion is too narrow, it is not as simplistic as to say because someone lives a certain lifestyle they have to be either introverted or extroverted. There are many factors in play
Jordan Peterson is an INTP
How
@@Unknown-wl7vl introverted intuitives are not traditional, they lack introverted sensing, they will have no awareness of traditional values, also, he frequently talks about his thought process of building hierarchies and assemblies of thoughts, which is different from the meditative state intuitives have, he has extremely high industriousness, more typical of someone who is constantly using the left side of the brain, which is where introverted thinking comes from
@@empemitheos interisting but i have a question, CAN YOU top me four intellegent types in MBTI ?
@@Unknown-wl7vl I think most people consider the 4 NT types to be smart, but that's a relative thing
Noo Fe over Ti
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