Nik Kershaw's Roses And The Use Of Historical Schemata
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
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Don’t know if you’re familiar to Roses, the eighth song on Nik Kershaw‘s ‘The Riddle‘ album (1984). Here is my analysis anyway. There is some pretty drastic key changes (as usual with Nik’s music) that in this episode I want to explain not only as solving conflicts of the type ‘meh in the first moment - fine in the second‘ but also from the perspective of historical model thinking. Make sure to find out what I am referring to with that one!
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Correction: The more appropriate translation of "(Satz-)Modell" in German would be schema, which I wasn't aware of during the making of this video. I couldn't resist the model pun anyway...
Incredible. My sister got Nik's first two albums for Christmas when I was 11. I copied both to cassette early morning and by 8pm I'd learned every word to every song, and this was the first deep cut that I couldn't get enough of. It just leaped out of the speakers in a way that not even his hit singles did at that point.
Sir, you have added a further dimension to memories of my Best Christmas Ever. There are no words, other than of course the most sincere "thank you".
Oh yes another one! Nik Kershaw has given me a lot of inspiration through out last year. I've listened mostly to his second album tho. I have listened to some of his other songs from other albums too like Human Racing and The Works.
I didn't notice that modulation to E minor. I thought it went back to G minor before the verse. You should definitely do more analysis of this album.
Roses has always been my favorite Nik Kershaw song from the
You should totally do more nik kershaw!
i think these crazy changes of key combination you find in lots of songs on the riddle album... save the whales and so quiet - without having a clou of all these harmony theories- sounds simular to all your explanations... thanks,i love these songs now even more 🤗👍
very interesting analysis Jonas. i have known Nik's work since release and I've always been aware of how complex it can be while at the same time being "pop" music. Definitely one of the UK's most talented composers of pop for sure
If you want complex...check out Zappa's music .....damn. Love Nik always.
thanks... have come here after my comment on the riddle 😂😂😂😂
"Roses" is a good song, but the unusual thing is that, for me, the chorus is precisely the part that sinks the song. The chorus is really too weird, and almost inexistent. It should have been stronger, in my opinion, so the song would go from good to excellent...
That's fair enough! I've no intention of contradicting you (how could I, when we're discussing something as subjective as music?). For balance, I'll say that the chorus is what really makes the song for me. The melancholy descending chords accompanied by the jagged off-kilter bassline and lack of familiar drum emphasis on the first beats of the bar (used for the bulk of the song) give a strange sad tension for me. The production is meritorious too, with the speeded-up sampled voices echoing the lying lead vocal.
Couldn't disagree more. I think Roses has a killer chorus. And it's really a kick you where you weren't expecting it moment the first time you hear it. Rhythmically very strong too, with the reggae-ish implications of its upside down groove.
This is one of my absolute favorite Nik songs, all the chord progressions intertwined with rhythmical tricks like the bass line in the chorus, which is some regards resemble the extra borrowed beat in the chorus of "Cloak and Dagger", together with a melody that binds it all together.
Thank you, this is a brilliant analysis. I've always loved this song due to its 'unusual' scales. It's great to understand the reasoning behind the changes.
Thanks so much! =)
..fantastic..
Hi Jonas i wonder is it possible to have the beautiful "Roses" score i guess you wrote precisely, i know i am asking too much,i promise it is just for my self :)
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i love Roses even more than the riddle, Great work Jonas! compliments
Thanks! ☺️