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Nah gravel is more dangerous, friction from tarmac is higher allowing you to slow down faster without the risk of rolling over. And the bikes really hate gravel runoff, and track day cars as well. It's really just for making drivers less aggressive in the entry speed because there so much of a larger punishment for going off, which will in turn make it safer
All these changes are to make Spa safer for motorcycles. They've done a good job. Eau Rouge and Radillon had to be changed to stop accidents being funnelled back onto the circuit at the blind crest, so to avoid changing the track layout, they've moved the banking back and moved hundreds of tonnes of earth. Can't have another Hubert-esque crash there again.
Yup, but they managed to keep the corner they way it is. That must have been a challenge. All in all, all the changes across the track kept the character of the track intact imho, and only made it better in terms of safety, but also a very good and calculated move where both bikes and racing cars are safe or have more challenging scenarios.
I don't really understand what all the hate is about. The overall track layout hasn't changed. The cars will still work about the same as they always have. There's just more runoff and some gravel in certain areas, and a shortcut for motorcycles so they aren't slamming into a barrier that can't be moved. It's still Spa in the end. I do have concerns about the runoff space into turn 1, if someone on a motorcycle has a brake failure there, it could get very ugly.
To touch on your concern on break-failures on motorbikes, you don’t stay on the bike, look up Maverick Vinales Austria brake-failure. Any rider with a brain will step off. Edit: th-cam.com/video/K0J9iXzeRNc/w-d-xo.html
@@karelpgbr Vinales' brake failure is precisely what prompted my concern. Even if you get off the bike, you still need somewhere to slide and lose speed. Vinales himself slid almost the length of the runoff. La Source/turn 1 if I've got my names wrong, seems to have a limited amount of space available. That said, it is a shorter straightaway, so hopefully it's less of an issue. Even more hopefully, we never find out.
@@StarkRaven59 indeed, correct. And it has been widened, and it is a shorter straight just after a chicane where you are building up speed, but not massive amounts. And there's a lot of gravel now as well. They've done a good job overall in what is possible - and kept the track essentially the same.
I literally do not understand at all why people seem so upset about this. The track is basically identical. The reason the turn 1 runoff was so heavily utilized is because it was THERE. As a driver, knowing there is a huge runoff encourages you to bail out of corner limits early to keep your speed up as much as possible, or to push another driver wide because you know he has plenty of asphalt to work with out there. Now, knowing there is gravel, drivers will drive differently. In fact, it’s almost like they’ve figured this out already at other tracks with grass or gravel on corner exits, hmmm…. Also, people talk about butchering an iconic track but that just shows a complete lack of knowledge on the history of the circuit. There used to be a freakin WALL on the outside of the T1 exit. Every corner had grass and trees on the outside. There were houses on the sides of the straights. Spa was way more “butchered” years ago. These changes are essentially innocuous and/or long overdue. The track is the same. It makes no sense to complain just because they added a second layout to a single corner while keeping the original layout nearly the same for the vast majority of racing series.
I don't mind the loss of the tight walls up to Eau Rouge, the accident in GT a few years ago when car ended out of the circuit kind of meant that was going to happen eventually. The only one that saddens me is at the top of the hill. I think they should have had a separate corner in the existing chicane for the motorbikes, meaning the wall could be kept on the outside, let's be honest it is low speed, but make a mistake or lose it in the rain you will hit the wall - Perez for example. Otherwise don't think it has taken too much out of the track, just made it safer and better viewing options. Overall well done Spa, much better than when they got rid of the old bus stop 👍
@@brunoabrantes3505 the track layout is literally the exact same as it has been for years, they've only changed bits of runoff area to allow MotoGP to race there. The track itself is the exact same
They have given a 💩 on Nurburgring, Imola (banned for almost 15 years), they left spectacular Sepang. I wouldn’t be surprised about F1s last Spa race for a long time. 😑
They didn’t mess with it. It’s literally the same. The inside alternative route is for bikes. The one the cars are using in this video is completely unchanged
Wenn man Pouhon aus der Perspektive sieht und wie ein Sportwagen da durch "schleicht", weiß man wie krass F1 wirklich ist, wenn die dort schon 290 durchgefahren sind.
I really hope that they didn't change anything on Eau Rouge - Radillion. They can make run off areas wider, but the corner is what makes auto racing beautiful.
No worries, they did not change the iconic character of the corner (see www.spa-francorchamps.be/sites/default/files/image/16.03.2022_logo_05.jpg). But they did add as much runoff on the left side, which would prevent cars bouncing on track as we've seen so many times before. It's massive how deep they cut the runoff, also mind, the new grandstand that is now in place. For me this is probably the best they could have done by keeping the track's character intact, but also increase safety.
@@TheCraigy83 no it is not, for relevance check out 1. The onboard footage,n and see how well they adapted: th-cam.com/video/kbPxeGOimUU/w-d-xo.html 2. @chainbear explaining what would be happening: th-cam.com/video/1MVI023f23M/w-d-xo.html
its the height , your blind to stopped cars that have clipped the inside barrier until your at the crest of the hill , they should add a big screen so drivers coming up to it can see the road is clear before they potentially plough into a stopped car like jack akins crash .
Can you go close to the track when there is no race? We are traveling close to the track and I thought to have a picnic somewhere close with a view to Raidillon.
@@krisztiannagy7679 if you come in montreal one day, circuit gilles vineuve is a bike/ roller blade path when there is no race, wich means, all the other weekends of the non snow season😎
Turn 1 for race cars is going to be hell. we see the amount of cars who get pushed onto the runoff at lap 1, all of them now gonna be bringing on stones onto the track or even getting stuck.
@@Dryfloorsign true the circuit may of had minor changes but will still feel like spa and not a modern tilkedrome. I am happy with the modiications with eau rouge and raddillion to help safety
@@Bzorlan Yeah, you've not played F1 games since 2018 clearly. Oh they get the kerb colours wrong or the spacing between the grass and road... Oooh. Let's not forget 2 facts seeing as you wanna be all antsy about it; 1. Codemasters make an annual title, so unlike GT, Assetto and Forza where they have 4-7 years to develop their games, codies get ONE. They have limited time and thus limited resources to make 100% updated and realistic tracks, especially as they make entirely new ones like Miami for 22, Vegas, Qatar for 23. 2. Tracks change their layouts and features depending on sponsorships, the events, the time of year etc. So at times they do look like they do in F1. There are few tracks still using a 2012 version or model in the 2020 game. I think Spa was actually one of them.
@@arkangelgaming35 Idk why you're acting like codemasters is some little indie studio that struggles to get stuff done before a deadline. They could hire more staff to get stuff done quicker but that wouldn't make them any more money so they don't bother.
@@RoverWaters get used to it, pussy. You're not driving/racing on it, so why do you even care?? These changes are to ensure safety for the drivers, and last time I checked, you're not one! So either go bask in your own manure of an opinion and stay mad or be grateful to know we won't see any major accidents in the upcoming years. Anthoine Hubert's death was a wake up call to the change and Jack Aitken's horrific crash should be the final major accident to ever happen on this track. Shame on you
Full track is free to walk. also all grand stands (eau rouge, pit lane, ...) but eau rouge is only acces around the track. The short way open soon in april :)
Nothing about the character or flow of the track has changed. 1. The corner you want, is still the corner: www.spa-francorchamps.be/sites/default/files/image/16.03.2022_logo_05.jpg 2. Read the list of changes here (www.spa-francorchamps.be/en/workingprogress) or finalised why & how here (www.spa-francorchamps.be/en/2022-season-turned-future-both-and-track).
I cant even recognise what part of the track this is Edit: i checked and it is the section just after rivage, turn 10,11,12. Check spa-francorchamps' yt channel they make a lap around it.
ref: Nothing about the character or flow of the track has changed. 1. The corner you want, is still the corner: www.spa-francorchamps.be/sites/default/files/image/16.03.2022_logo_05.jpg 2. Read the list of changes here (www.spa-francorchamps.be/en/workingprogress) or finalized why & how here (www.spa-francorchamps.be/en/2022-season-turned-future-both-and-track).
No-Name ist doch verändert worden oder? Mir kommt der Radius sehr viel weiter vor als zuvor. Oder täuschen mich da meine Sinne? Vorher war es doch eine ziemlich scharfe 90°-Kurve.
No-Name ist immernoch die gleiche Kurve, nur dass es ein Alternativ-Layout für MotoGP gibt. Für Autorennen wird immernoch die alte No-Name gefahren. Das Streckenlayout ist exakt gleich geblieben, bis auf die Alternative dort halt.
@@torstenpowers ach krass. Dann haben mich meine Augen echt getäuscht😂kann maybe auch an den Wagen liegen, dass die Kurve so viel länger wirkte im Vergleich zu F1-Onboards.
Nothing about the character or flow of the track has changed. 1. The corner you want, is still the corner: www.spa-francorchamps.be/sites/default/files/image/16.03.2022_logo_05.jpg 2. Read the list of changes here (www.spa-francorchamps.be/en/workingprogress) or finalised why & how here (www.spa-francorchamps.be/en/2022-season-turned-future-both-and-track).
REALLY HOPE THEY CHANGE EAU ROUGE AND RADILLION NOT THE CURVES IT SELF ,but walls behind them , they has to be moved at least 20 to 25 mts away , how many death or injured drivers you need to do it ??
Spa isn't getting easier, it's getting harder. Way more gravel trpas then asphalt runoffs, which is exactly what many GP drivers wished for. The new corner after Bruxelles ist only (the bottom line in the first part of video) is just for Motorcycle use, car races still use the other (top) corner. The racetrack layout for cars actually hasn't changed in any way, making a mistake just got both safer and more punishing.
Track get easier because regulations every year are different to every single motorsport related race. Now, they are trying to make it more easier for Bikes and some other regulations for F1 2022..
@@FotografieRamscheidt In a way, it is easier than the old Layout. But, is not something to look down to, the high-speed corners can have many accidents...
@@squeakybunny2776 It's the opposite i think, some races will probably still use the original on the inside and there will be that "extra" corner on the outside, its actually better if they spin on the one on the inside.
Layoutwise nothing has changed for car races. They widened some runoff areas and added some gravel traps where there was asphalt runoff before (something many GP drivers wished for). The only change in terms of layout is adding the corner option in the first part of the video (no-name corner between Bruxelles and Pouhon) for Moto GP races, but the original corner layout is untouched and will still be used for all car races. Basically Spa got both safer and more punishing for driving mistakes in car races, plus allowing for motorcycle races in the future.
@@roddy6924 Rivage is the off camber hairpin, also called "Bruxelles". the left hander, which has been modified, is the "No Name Corner" or, barely known as "Speaker's Corner"
@@uzzijr_7384 Nur ist es so mitunter viel gefährlicher. Wenn man die Kurve verpasst - Fahrfehler oder Defekt - rasselt man ungebremmst die verlängerte (alte) Gerade entlang und crasht in die rein, die gerade die neue Schikane passieren. Einfach nicht zu Ende gedacht in meinen Augen.
The gravel trap at t1 is surely nothing but a negative. Being able to go wide when someone dive-bombs helps safety drastically. I get that they don’t want people just ignoring how the corner is meant to be run but this will reduce passing in the corner surely.
we have a lot of races now and just only ONE car was stuck in T1. marshalls come out ant then she drive again. In germany we say "halt den ball flach". Just watch the race bevore u hate some corners for nothing!!!
@@FotografieRamscheidt not knocking it I’m sure people are more careful going through there so it makes sense not many would get stuck. Still tho if you’re trying to overtake the preferred line going into eau rouge would be going around the outside through T1 and I feel the threat of gravel will make people less inclined to push through here resulting in less competitive racing no? Previously you would just send it two wide and force the inside car to lift going into the famous corner.
No-Name has been changed, definitely. It was a sharp 90°-corner before, but it is way more open now, seems to be much faster. Edit: Nevermind, I was codemastered😂it definitely is the same corner, it just looks way different in F1 games. Just because Codemasters.
Nein. Touristenfahrten finden nur an ausgewählten Tagen stadt. Der Tag vom Video war von Lotus UK. Die touristenfahrten wie man es vom Nürburgring kennt gibt es in Spa nicht. Nur wenige male im Jahr und auch sehr teuer leider
lediglich der eintritt für zuschauer ist in der Regel kostelos. Oft auch am Wochenende. Aber nur dann, wenn es auf der Webseite im allgemeinen Kalender angezeigt wird
@@PlasticBoi is it though? Gravel trap my dude think about it. It's literally in the name. Do I really need to explain why they use gravel traps at tracks? As for the alternate turns those are for bikes
Why? What was massacred? The track itself was partly resurfaced, but not altered, so it's just as before. The new alternate paths allow other categories to enjoy this masterpiece of a track without changing the familiar layout. There are even some new gravel traps, which most people see as a positive.
@@JH13WasTaken It's not about the entertainment, it's the fact that they're destroying history for the sake of solving a problem they created, I'm not saying the changes to Spa are bad, no, in fact I welcome them, but what's the point if this track is at risk of getting dropped for the sake of bland, eye burning tracks using excuses that the track isn't safe for these new regs or so some shit like that when in reality they're just chasing the money. If the cars are too big, then fix it yourself, you made the fucking regs, why in God's good name can't you fucking fix them, hell F1's been shit since 2017 with those beast mode regs, if they stuck with the main regs for 2016 with some minor detail work here and there, F1 would be better than where it is now. P.S sorry, this went from discussion to me venting my frustration.
El circuito no cambia, solo se hizo un reasfaltado y la escapatoria tipo "atajo" que se ve, pero el trazado es el mismo Los cambios mayores que se hicieron son por seguridad
@@scuckplexity Haven't followed Moto GP much in the last 5 years or so, but I don't think I've ever seen a crash there. Although I admit the wall is quite close for bikes, they could have just created the alternative corner for bikes, without butchering the old corner. Bikes should race where they can, instead of the other way around, but money talks.
@@fns58 there hasn't been a crash there lately because they haven't raced here for over 20 years. And it's also helps improve the safety for racing drivers too.
@@fns58 creating an alternative corner that's too different too the normal layout would simply ruin the flow a lot of this track. The dangers of the corner is still there for racing drivers too.
And you are a dickhead if you do not understand that it is for motorcycles. Say it directly face to face to a pro motorcycle racer that he is a snowflake...
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The return of gravel traps, that's nice to see! The asphalt run offs were way too large and possibly more dangerous as a result.
Nah gravel is more dangerous, friction from tarmac is higher allowing you to slow down faster without the risk of rolling over. And the bikes really hate gravel runoff, and track day cars as well. It's really just for making drivers less aggressive in the entry speed because there so much of a larger punishment for going off, which will in turn make it safer
@@sauldula It Is opposite.....with gravel you slow down much if you are out of control like 90% of crash
@@aleprena7338 unless you got some good brakes...
@@aleprena7338 it's a fact that friction is higher on tarmac than gravel, an indisputable fact.
@@MagnumLoadedTractor if you are out of control you can't break
All these changes are to make Spa safer for motorcycles. They've done a good job. Eau Rouge and Radillon had to be changed to stop accidents being funnelled back onto the circuit at the blind crest, so to avoid changing the track layout, they've moved the banking back and moved hundreds of tonnes of earth. Can't have another Hubert-esque crash there again.
Yup, but they managed to keep the corner they way it is. That must have been a challenge. All in all, all the changes across the track kept the character of the track intact imho, and only made it better in terms of safety, but also a very good and calculated move where both bikes and racing cars are safe or have more challenging scenarios.
I don't really understand what all the hate is about. The overall track layout hasn't changed. The cars will still work about the same as they always have. There's just more runoff and some gravel in certain areas, and a shortcut for motorcycles so they aren't slamming into a barrier that can't be moved. It's still Spa in the end.
I do have concerns about the runoff space into turn 1, if someone on a motorcycle has a brake failure there, it could get very ugly.
To touch on your concern on break-failures on motorbikes, you don’t stay on the bike, look up Maverick Vinales Austria brake-failure.
Any rider with a brain will step off.
Edit: th-cam.com/video/K0J9iXzeRNc/w-d-xo.html
@@karelpgbr Vinales' brake failure is precisely what prompted my concern. Even if you get off the bike, you still need somewhere to slide and lose speed. Vinales himself slid almost the length of the runoff. La Source/turn 1 if I've got my names wrong, seems to have a limited amount of space available. That said, it is a shorter straightaway, so hopefully it's less of an issue. Even more hopefully, we never find out.
@@StarkRaven59 indeed, correct. And it has been widened, and it is a shorter straight just after a chicane where you are building up speed, but not massive amounts. And there's a lot of gravel now as well. They've done a good job overall in what is possible - and kept the track essentially the same.
@@StarkRaven59 Hmmm, I see, let's hope that the incline helps too...
I literally do not understand at all why people seem so upset about this. The track is basically identical. The reason the turn 1 runoff was so heavily utilized is because it was THERE. As a driver, knowing there is a huge runoff encourages you to bail out of corner limits early to keep your speed up as much as possible, or to push another driver wide because you know he has plenty of asphalt to work with out there. Now, knowing there is gravel, drivers will drive differently. In fact, it’s almost like they’ve figured this out already at other tracks with grass or gravel on corner exits, hmmm….
Also, people talk about butchering an iconic track but that just shows a complete lack of knowledge on the history of the circuit. There used to be a freakin WALL on the outside of the T1 exit. Every corner had grass and trees on the outside. There were houses on the sides of the straights. Spa was way more “butchered” years ago.
These changes are essentially innocuous and/or long overdue. The track is the same. It makes no sense to complain just because they added a second layout to a single corner while keeping the original layout nearly the same for the vast majority of racing series.
People are upset about everything nowadays 🤣. Because social media gives everyone a voice, no matter how stupid they are
People who are mad about butchering an iconic track don’t realize the amount of layout changes this track has gone through.
I don't mind the loss of the tight walls up to Eau Rouge, the accident in GT a few years ago when car ended out of the circuit kind of meant that was going to happen eventually. The only one that saddens me is at the top of the hill. I think they should have had a separate corner in the existing chicane for the motorbikes, meaning the wall could be kept on the outside, let's be honest it is low speed, but make a mistake or lose it in the rain you will hit the wall - Perez for example.
Otherwise don't think it has taken too much out of the track, just made it safer and better viewing options. Overall well done Spa, much better than when they got rid of the old bus stop 👍
Tracks: get a minor rework for safety measures
Motorsports "fans": absolutely ruined, I am literally shitting and crying right now.
As a simracer I'm dying inside right now. They fucking butchered maybe the best tack ever. I thought it was going to be only Radeon and aurouge...
@@brunoabrantes3505 the track layout is literally the exact same as it has been for years, they've only changed bits of runoff area to allow MotoGP to race there. The track itself is the exact same
@@brunoabrantes3505 you can cry about the track changes when you know how to spell eau rouge and raidillon
@@brunoabrantes3505 it’s literally the same, just with more runoff so people don’t die.
as if they are racing instead of those drivers
I hope people are aware they didn't change any corners they just added stuff for different series.
Na, don't be silly. The traditional response is to react irrationally and through your toys out of the pram.
spa lookin beautiful as always
Spa should bring back properly, the bus stop.
And the road markings were kinda cool too
Loved the road markings through Blanchemon
@@stewartgrindlay9760 and the intersection at La Source
Why was there road markings anyways? Was it street circuit fully converted into a fully fledged race track?
@@xtrjackson624 yes
wtf are people complaining about here lmao
you guys realize there are other racing series than f1 right?
nope
What are you talking about? Only f1 exists and all tracks lay unused for 50 weeks of the year until the next GP.
Gran Turismo 7 devs: FUCK.
GT7 devs have more than this to worry about... 🤣🤣
More like : For 110 $ its all yours.
I think that's the least of their problems right now, to be honest.
Spoiler: Die Strecke wird in F1 2022 immer noch so aussehen wie in 2017
So wie Australien, Abu Dhabi, Spanien, Jeddah 1 kurve, ..... alles erat in F1 2025 😅
Die sollen einfach Lasergescannte nehmen und Schwupps gut :)
@@FotografieRamscheidt Mexico*
Can't wait to see this never get added to F1 2022 and beyond.
Spa?
Cant be mad at a $60 game
Of course people here are complaining 🙄 the biggest change literally came to the one corner with no name!! 😂
Indeed!! And I like the change there, it enforces track limits finally :-). And yet people fail to see that, LOL.
and that change may not even take place in every class of motorsport
0:08 nobody talking about that sound from the Lotus🤔??
Sounds like it's blowing its nose.
@@High.on.Life_DnB 🤣🤣 V6 things i guess
It will be a shame to lose spa in formula 1. Its such a wonderfull track.
If Spa gets taken off the F1 calendar I’m gonna start a riot. Same with Silverstone.
They have given a 💩 on Nurburgring, Imola (banned for almost 15 years), they left spectacular Sepang. I wouldn’t be surprised about F1s last Spa race for a long time. 😑
@@STREET24000 im with you mate
@@STREET24000 i dont really like spa but it was the closest race to me :(
they will ruin every beautiful thing. such a shame
I'd rather see a "track ruined" than a driver's career or life ruined
Career of life?
@@anshumankakralia7542 Anthoine Hubert and Juan Manuel Correia, life and career respectively
@@BlocAutosport he said "of" not "or"
@@anshumankakralia7542 maybe he made a mistake.
its always the inexperienced drivers.
Abu Dhabi and Melbourne started, now they are all adapting. Great to see👍🏽
Why they messing with no name corner!
Does it have a name now 😳
They didn’t mess with it. It’s literally the same. The inside alternative route is for bikes. The one the cars are using in this video is completely unchanged
Wenn man Pouhon aus der Perspektive sieht und wie ein Sportwagen da durch "schleicht", weiß man wie krass F1 wirklich ist, wenn die dort schon 290 durchgefahren sind.
I really hope that they didn't change anything on Eau Rouge - Radillion.
They can make run off areas wider, but the corner is what makes auto racing beautiful.
No worries, they did not change the iconic character of the corner (see www.spa-francorchamps.be/sites/default/files/image/16.03.2022_logo_05.jpg). But they did add as much runoff on the left side, which would prevent cars bouncing on track as we've seen so many times before. It's massive how deep they cut the runoff, also mind, the new grandstand that is now in place. For me this is probably the best they could have done by keeping the track's character intact, but also increase safety.
it's a death trap 😐
@@TheCraigy83 no it is not, for relevance check out
1. The onboard footage,n and see how well they adapted: th-cam.com/video/kbPxeGOimUU/w-d-xo.html
2. @chainbear explaining what would be happening: th-cam.com/video/1MVI023f23M/w-d-xo.html
its the height , your blind to stopped cars that have clipped the inside barrier until your at the crest of the hill , they should add a big screen so drivers coming up to it can see the road is clear before they potentially plough into a stopped car like jack akins crash .
@@TheCraigy83 that happens in a lot of corners in f1, WEC, Indy , etc.
Is part of the sport.
Can you go close to the track when there is no race? We are traveling close to the track and I thought to have a picnic somewhere close with a view to Raidillon.
Everyday is a Track/Raceday 🤷🏼♂️
@@FotografieRamscheidt yes I supposed that.. I thought track days are open for public. Thank you for your quick response!
@@krisztiannagy7679 if you come in montreal one day, circuit gilles vineuve is a bike/ roller blade path when there is no race, wich means, all the other weekends of the non snow season😎
@@yanblondin7490 thank you! I'm going to Rotterdam from Frankfurt. I check if Montreal is in the way :)
@@krisztiannagy7679 Don't think you'll find montreal, it's in canada!😁
Turn 1 for race cars is going to be hell. we see the amount of cars who get pushed onto the runoff at lap 1, all of them now gonna be bringing on stones onto the track or even getting stuck.
Eh I think they’ll (as in all motorsport events there) be fine. Drivers know how to adapt to new corners
Either trolls love to gather here or realy have no idea what the purpose of the alteration is....
It's for motorcycle races.
Spa❤️❤️❤️❤️ oozing history and F1 romance.
Stop fn around and just give us back Bus Stop.
Not sure but didn't they make chicane's angles a bit charper?
The bus stop?
Holy crap that’s a huge change!! Can’t wait to see la source and radillon
radillon was still closed last week. A bit of La Source til eau rouge can you see in my last Video with Formula 3 / F4 :)
@@FotografieRamscheidt ahh awesome!! Thanks bro I will go and watch now 🤙🏻🤙🏻
THERE'S LITERALLY NO CHANGE TO THE LAYOUT WHY Y'ALL MAD LMFAO
y'all are children
@@Dryfloorsign true the circuit may of had minor changes but will still feel like spa and not a modern tilkedrome. I am happy with the modiications with eau rouge and raddillion to help safety
Codemasters be like; 😃😅😭😭😭🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤬
They dont change anything so i dont't think
They don't change anything? Yeah not on a game that's already out they don't.
@@arkangelgaming35 some tracks are still as they were in like 2012
@@Bzorlan Yeah, you've not played F1 games since 2018 clearly.
Oh they get the kerb colours wrong or the spacing between the grass and road... Oooh. Let's not forget 2 facts seeing as you wanna be all antsy about it;
1. Codemasters make an annual title, so unlike GT, Assetto and Forza where they have 4-7 years to develop their games, codies get ONE. They have limited time and thus limited resources to make 100% updated and realistic tracks, especially as they make entirely new ones like Miami for 22, Vegas, Qatar for 23.
2. Tracks change their layouts and features depending on sponsorships, the events, the time of year etc. So at times they do look like they do in F1. There are few tracks still using a 2012 version or model in the 2020 game.
I think Spa was actually one of them.
@@arkangelgaming35 Idk why you're acting like codemasters is some little indie studio that struggles to get stuff done before a deadline.
They could hire more staff to get stuff done quicker but that wouldn't make them any more money so they don't bother.
Thank you brother
It's a bit close to the wall imo, a little to close for comfort for lockup or brake failure
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As usual from TH-cam comments
snowflake turn
@@RoverWaters get used to it, pussy. You're not driving/racing on it, so why do you even care?? These changes are to ensure safety for the drivers, and last time I checked, you're not one! So either go bask in your own manure of an opinion and stay mad or be grateful to know we won't see any major accidents in the upcoming years. Anthoine Hubert's death was a wake up call to the change and Jack Aitken's horrific crash should be the final major accident to ever happen on this track. Shame on you
@@RoverWaters why?
Ignore the bot
can you visit, walk around the track for free? Some tracks have a small walking street next to the track free of charge...
Full track is free to walk. also all grand stands (eau rouge, pit lane, ...) but eau rouge is only acces around the track. The short way open soon in april :)
not people complaining because they made it safer wtf
Does it have a name now!?
It's been Jackie Ickx for a while now, and it was speaker's corner before that
I thought it was called 'Rivage'
@@roddy6924 Rivage is the right hander before "No Name" or "Speaker" (though no name is basically the name now)
Fingers crossed the racing is better 🤞
Great video!
Looks like Spa has 3 pitlanes now. 😅 Strange but cool.
Yes :D and the straight to double gauche is long enough for little groups or slower cars. A race start at this corner would be funny and epic 😂
@@FotografieRamscheidt Double gauche is Pouhon isnt it?
@@holamic8383 Yes
I didn't notice any change except track looks more narrow, but to be honest I watched the cars 99 percent of video.
merci,
1:46 j'envie le gars venu rouler avec sa lotus? qui est magnifique d'ailleurs ^^
When is the update for GT7 ready🙃
i am feeling dissapointed but, where's the Eau Rouge? 🤔
They didn't make any changes other than adding stands and moving the walls further back
They made it safer. Whats the issue?
You can see it in the background from around 2:06 in the video
Nothing about the character or flow of the track has changed.
1. The corner you want, is still the corner: www.spa-francorchamps.be/sites/default/files/image/16.03.2022_logo_05.jpg
2. Read the list of changes here (www.spa-francorchamps.be/en/workingprogress) or finalised why & how here (www.spa-francorchamps.be/en/2022-season-turned-future-both-and-track).
iracing do ur work
Kunos please!!
Doubt they still haven’t updated indy
@@Da_Fktopuss Tell Kunos to update Zandvoort first
@@mArvAlcao71 Good one too
I cant even recognise what part of the track this is
Edit: i checked and it is the section just after rivage, turn 10,11,12.
Check spa-francorchamps' yt channel they make a lap around it.
Looks like no name to me
@@blackxybone6357 it is no name
They gone back to cat litter... Good
Did the bus stop changed?
No
Unfortunately not, and it remains the worst two corners on the circuit.
Yes, it did change, it seems that the off camber has gone. The left side of "La Chicane" also has a gravel trap now.
ref: Nothing about the character or flow of the track has changed.
1. The corner you want, is still the corner: www.spa-francorchamps.be/sites/default/files/image/16.03.2022_logo_05.jpg
2. Read the list of changes here (www.spa-francorchamps.be/en/workingprogress) or finalized why & how here (www.spa-francorchamps.be/en/2022-season-turned-future-both-and-track).
@@psyaviah thank you
from which block and row/seat are you filming in 2:08 ?
I think 9-12th row 🤔
Beautiful !!!
No-Name ist doch verändert worden oder? Mir kommt der Radius sehr viel weiter vor als zuvor. Oder täuschen mich da meine Sinne? Vorher war es doch eine ziemlich scharfe 90°-Kurve.
No-Name ist immernoch die gleiche Kurve, nur dass es ein Alternativ-Layout für MotoGP gibt. Für Autorennen wird immernoch die alte No-Name gefahren. Das Streckenlayout ist exakt gleich geblieben, bis auf die Alternative dort halt.
@@torstenpowers ach krass. Dann haben mich meine Augen echt getäuscht😂kann maybe auch an den Wagen liegen, dass die Kurve so viel länger wirkte im Vergleich zu F1-Onboards.
@@torstenpowers oder es liegt an Codemasters, dass ich die Kurve anders im Kopf habe🙈
I'd love to see motogp here
1 lap would be like 3 minutes long lol but I would still love to see it too
That's why they built the extra section
@@callanphillips336 would be around 2:20-30 I guess
@@callanphillips336 they would be at about 30-40 seconds off from F1 cars. Basically a bit faster than GT3 cars for a normal 1000cc MotoGP spec bikes
Wow, that's new!
why change perfection?
the actual track hasn't changed but they've hopefully improved safety.
Anthoine Hubert
so people don't fucking die
Nothing about the character or flow of the track has changed.
1. The corner you want, is still the corner: www.spa-francorchamps.be/sites/default/files/image/16.03.2022_logo_05.jpg
2. Read the list of changes here (www.spa-francorchamps.be/en/workingprogress) or finalised why & how here (www.spa-francorchamps.be/en/2022-season-turned-future-both-and-track).
@@psyaviah Thanks for that I saw it and I immediately thought why?
Is that for motorbikes? or if someone crashes @ turn 7 they can cut in while the marshals repair the track?
Its for moto GP yes
all infos: th-cam.com/video/SmCaO4_rhoU/w-d-xo.html
@@FotografieRamscheidt FIM EWC Spa 24 Hours, not MotoGP. Won't have the required FIM A license for MotoGP, it will have only C.
@@deggis4 Oh yeah sorry.. im not active in Moto 🤷🏼♂️
@@deggis4 you know your stuff man, love to see it
Yeah, now we dont have sandbox.
If you scape from the track, youre fucked.
Congrats FIA 🎉
FIM, not FIA. The changes are mostly for motoGP
thats not even necessarily a bad thing
Although it was there so it could get the FIM license?
nice
REALLY HOPE THEY CHANGE EAU ROUGE AND RADILLION NOT THE CURVES IT SELF ,but walls behind them , they has to be moved at least 20 to 25 mts away , how many death or injured drivers you need to do it ??
Relax. They have.
Death is part off the sport and every drivers knows that
@@henkvandervliet8746 it doesnt mean that you dont install measures to try prevent it
They already have
Super
Do the f1 layout will change that much ?
The F1 layout is exactly the same I believe. At least at speaker's corner. Not sure about Eau Rouge though.
@@SwingAxleLover The runoff at Eau Rouge/Raidillon was widened but the corner itself hasn't been altered.
Wow!!! Nice😎
Why every track gets easier? I can't understand this circuit change trend in the last 2years...
The changes are for motorcycle racing i think. They said that they want to bring it back.
Spa isn't getting easier, it's getting harder. Way more gravel trpas then asphalt runoffs, which is exactly what many GP drivers wished for. The new corner after Bruxelles ist only (the bottom line in the first part of video) is just for Motorcycle use, car races still use the other (top) corner. The racetrack layout for cars actually hasn't changed in any way, making a mistake just got both safer and more punishing.
Track get easier because regulations every year are different to every single motorsport related race. Now, they are trying to make it more easier for Bikes and some other regulations for F1 2022..
easier? Now gravels and no track limit. 1 fault = 1 crash
@@FotografieRamscheidt In a way, it is easier than the old Layout. But, is not something to look down to, the high-speed corners can have many accidents...
A lot of ignorance in these comment, pretty sad.
What ignorance? Just opinions :)))
What was actually changed
They ruined No Name.
@@Streetw1s3r it's still the same there is just an extra corner on the inside
@@squeakybunny2776 It's the opposite i think, some races will probably still use the original on the inside and there will be that "extra" corner on the outside, its actually better if they spin on the one on the inside.
Layoutwise nothing has changed for car races. They widened some runoff areas and added some gravel traps where there was asphalt runoff before (something many GP drivers wished for). The only change in terms of layout is adding the corner option in the first part of the video (no-name corner between Bruxelles and Pouhon) for Moto GP races, but the original corner layout is untouched and will still be used for all car races.
Basically Spa got both safer and more punishing for driving mistakes in car races, plus allowing for motorcycle races in the future.
@@tomasmenezes3683 the original corner is definitely the outside corner.
No name turn?
'Rivage'
@@roddy6924 Rivage is the off camber hairpin, also called "Bruxelles". the left hander, which has been modified, is the "No Name Corner" or, barely known as "Speaker's Corner"
Is turn 7 the same as last year or has it been moved ? Looks like the same
I think it is the same turn. Just the Moto GP Corner is a bit closer.
no inside kerb though
Cool ! 😁😎
are they gonna keep no name ?
They keep the name of the corner
I think it's officially called the Jacky Ickx corner, but is more known as speaker's corner
@@The_Dude99 ngl if you check a track map it doesnt have a name so most ppl call it no name
You can see no names the same, the inside corner is for bike racing
I vote they rename it after Hubert
No Eau Rouge?
in my Formula 3/4 Video is a bit from la source and eau rouge. Only radillion not. but it open this month soon
@@FotografieRamscheidt Hopefully no fatal crash will happen there anymore
so many Lotus
That white Porsche with black rims is great but Lotuses are so brutal
New turn,new drama
snowflake turn
@@RoverWaters get over it snowflake
For motorbikes, yeah. For race cars, it doesn't changes anything
Does no name have a name now then?
"No name" is the name
@@89Ayten I think its now called Speaker corner from the Official Spa yt channel
it better not
I heard it is Jacky Ickxx now
Better but not perfect! With those first strips of asphalt the problem of track limits is still present.
how many trees down??????
2
man fragt sich warum
war halt anscheinend zu gefährlich
Frag ich mich auch! Am RedBull-Ring ja auch. Furchtbar...
@@thomasmargis9808 Red Bull Ring kann ich verstehen, das ist für die MotoGP da waren letztes Jahr viele üble Crashs Richtung Turn 3
@@lukasb.790 ja da muss man sich 5m Kurve sparen
@@uzzijr_7384 Nur ist es so mitunter viel gefährlicher. Wenn man die Kurve verpasst - Fahrfehler oder Defekt - rasselt man ungebremmst die verlängerte (alte) Gerade entlang und crasht in die rein, die gerade die neue Schikane passieren. Einfach nicht zu Ende gedacht in meinen Augen.
The gravel trap at t1 is surely nothing but a negative. Being able to go wide when someone dive-bombs helps safety drastically. I get that they don’t want people just ignoring how the corner is meant to be run but this will reduce passing in the corner surely.
we have a lot of races now and just only ONE car was stuck in T1. marshalls come out ant then she drive again. In germany we say "halt den ball flach". Just watch the race bevore u hate some corners for nothing!!!
@@FotografieRamscheidt not knocking it I’m sure people are more careful going through there so it makes sense not many would get stuck. Still tho if you’re trying to overtake the preferred line going into eau rouge would be going around the outside through T1 and I feel the threat of gravel will make people less inclined to push through here resulting in less competitive racing no? Previously you would just send it two wide and force the inside car to lift going into the famous corner.
Gravel at turn 1 is the best change. Too often people just wouldn’t try to make the corner on lap 1, and gained an advantage
Why the change
24H SPA EWC Motos
Safety reasons
I didn’t see any new turn layouts. Adding gravel to the runoff area is not a new turn layout.
No-Name has been changed, definitely. It was a sharp 90°-corner before, but it is way more open now, seems to be much faster.
Edit: Nevermind, I was codemastered😂it definitely is the same corner, it just looks way different in F1 games. Just because Codemasters.
You can see the old track which the cars were running on and the newer inside bit which was coned off. I think this was done for motor cycles.
@@ThePurpleGoose023 you are completely right, I was misjudged by my own eyes:D
The gravel trap at no name sucks
I think its good so drivers cant just drive up to the wall if they go a bit wide
your ignoring the safety factors
It's safer, man, who cares if it "sucks"
@@mexa_t6534 yeah safer and it means drivers actually have to bother staying on the track
@@mexa_t6534 that corner isn't that dangerous
Spa ist, wenn kein "Event" stattfindet, für Touristenfahren kostenlos? Echt!?
Nein. Touristenfahrten finden nur an ausgewählten Tagen stadt. Der Tag vom Video war von Lotus UK. Die touristenfahrten wie man es vom Nürburgring kennt gibt es in Spa nicht. Nur wenige male im Jahr und auch sehr teuer leider
lediglich der eintritt für zuschauer ist in der Regel kostelos. Oft auch am Wochenende. Aber nur dann, wenn es auf der Webseite im allgemeinen Kalender angezeigt wird
WHY !!!!??? Next step monza? Monaco ?
Safety...
(for bikes)
Hopefully Monaco gets scraped.
SuBBed!
Why?
Why did they add gravel traps and alternate routes for different series? Pretty self explanatory
Well yeah its self explanatory when you explain it
@@PlasticBoi is it though? Gravel trap my dude think about it. It's literally in the name. Do I really need to explain why they use gravel traps at tracks? As for the alternate turns those are for bikes
@@BrendanOriginal Im more meaning how the alternative routes arent always going to be for new series to race somewhere
@@PlasticBoi doesn't make it any less self explanatory what an alternate turn on a track could be used for lol
Look how they masacred my boy.
Why? What was massacred? The track itself was partly resurfaced, but not altered, so it's just as before. The new alternate paths allow other categories to enjoy this masterpiece of a track without changing the familiar layout. There are even some new gravel traps, which most people see as a positive.
The day the Nurburgring gets this treatment is the day Motorsport dies.
Its already dead for F1, and Liberty media X FIA have killed it.
You're not a true motorsport fan if you hold entertainment in higher value than drivers' lives.
@@JH13WasTaken It's not about the entertainment, it's the fact that they're destroying history for the sake of solving a problem they created, I'm not saying the changes to Spa are bad, no, in fact I welcome them, but what's the point if this track is at risk of getting dropped for the sake of bland, eye burning tracks using excuses that the track isn't safe for these new regs or so some shit like that when in reality they're just chasing the money.
If the cars are too big, then fix it yourself, you made the fucking regs, why in God's good name can't you fucking fix them, hell F1's been shit since 2017 with those beast mode regs, if they stuck with the main regs for 2016 with some minor detail work here and there, F1 would be better than where it is now.
P.S sorry, this went from discussion to me venting my frustration.
boohoo motorsport dies, your type of mfs have been saying the same for years now and motorsport is still going strong, like honestly man
@@truehunger108 all they did was add an additional layout for that turn, the old version is still there. whats the issue
rouge
Some bright young spark got bored. If it aint broke don’t fix it!
i think al the turns are the same
All turns for F1 are the same, they improved safety by expanding run-off at eau rouge and added some different corners for the MotoGP etc.
raidillon - eau rouge was definitely broken. glad they made the changes.
They didn't fix anything. Just add more variations
@@scuckplexity They fixed the safety on multiple places on the track
El circuito no debe adaptarse al vehículo sino el vehículo a la pista . Sino fonde está el desafío del piloto? Dejen de dañar a ese hermoso circuito.
El circuito no cambia, solo se hizo un reasfaltado y la escapatoria tipo "atajo" que se ve, pero el trazado es el mismo
Los cambios mayores que se hicieron son por seguridad
Ignorante, el circuito no cambiara, solo los run-offs, el desafio esta en ser rapido, no en sobrevivir..
@@JoseNovaUltra seguis sin entender
@@Carlosmagno-yf7cz bueno explicate entonces lol..
Why change the best corner in the world!!!
Its the same, only they added one corner before maybe for motorbikes, the only change the gravel
if do you mean Eau Rouge/Radillion its the same corner. Just add gravels
Safety
@@FotografieRamscheidt they did reprofile it to make it less quick. They moved turn 3 to the left a few meters
@@FotografieRamscheidt around it or near tire barriers?
f1 fans have been saying Spa might get the axe on the calendar soon. This might be the nail in the coffin.
It’s all to bring motorcycle racing back to spa.
why? its a great track
@@timothy.p6128 Money and the shit 'vegas baby' direction F1 seems to be going in sadly. Pitiful, I know.
@@ab8jeh Don’t forget about Monaco
This might be how it stays.
This is not the worst conversion but new racetracks are just boring. Give me the original Spa (before 1979)anyday.
Oh yeah, give me that boring ass, meandering circuit that's shaped like a steaming pile of shit. No thanks.
I think the drivers that died there would to have a word with ya
@@youngrody2386Sure i understand why they changed the tracks. Life is dangerous. You ca... will die.
Yes let’s have everyone die
@@youngrody2386 that is more of car safety, rather than track
wtf? The runaway was huge?! What kind of danger had this corner I am so lost
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined
The changes was there for motorbikes. The danger of the corner is still there
@@scuckplexity Haven't followed Moto GP much in the last 5 years or so, but I don't think I've ever seen a crash there. Although I admit the wall is quite close for bikes, they could have just created the alternative corner for bikes, without butchering the old corner. Bikes should race where they can, instead of the other way around, but money talks.
@@fns58 there hasn't been a crash there lately because they haven't raced here for over 20 years. And it's also helps improve the safety for racing drivers too.
@@fns58 creating an alternative corner that's too different too the normal layout would simply ruin the flow a lot of this track. The dangers of the corner is still there for racing drivers too.
Theres no point at all in that change at no nane but whatever...
Theyve made it narrower ffs?
I absolutely hate it!
what a waste of money.
how
How?
how?
Waste of money making it safer and to allow MotoGP and other bike championships to race there? you're fucking delusional if you think that.
how?
Katastrophal
RIP eau rouge
Eau rouge is not in the video, are you high?
Look at this dude... no, no, no. hahahaha
This looks like it’s right before the flat out fast section that heads up to the last chicane
@@Qualnes i am high but i can still read...
Raidillon was closed...
...the construction worker said...
Kindness
RIP Hubert
snowflake turn
And you are a dickhead if you do not understand that it is for motorcycles. Say it directly face to face to a pro motorcycle racer that he is a snowflake...
Snowflake commenter
Ok you crash there then
RIP SPA
Why? Nothing has changed for cars.
Nothing has changed for cars. Just gravel. Stop overreacting like a whiny ass F1 fans after Abu Dhabi
Your profile pic fits your comment
They ruined the track.🤮
The layout is exactly the same
'tHeY rUiNeD tHe TrAcK' - no, they made it safer.
They Made it safer is what they did. The layout is almost exactly the same, the changes are mostly to the walls and runoffs.
Man making the track safer really is ruining the track 💀💀💀💀
Why did they "ruin" the track exactly? Please explain.