Transformer™ External Breather System for Harley's
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- The Revolutionary Transformer™ EBS (External Breather System) for Harley Motorcycles will Extend Engine Life, Produce Power Gains & give you Tune Stability, and Transform!
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These are available for Sportsters, Cable operated throttle Twin Cams, and all Milwaukee-Eights. It will be another month or so before we have inventory for the Throttle by Wire Twin Cams.
Anything for a carbureted EVO?
Very nice work gentlemen. I wish I would have seen this coming when I bought my Outlaw 606 with external beather 6 months ago.
Thank you. Yes, we would have liked for it to be out 6 months ago also! 👍
Excellent product you guys came up with, looks professional.
Thank you very much!
NICE!!! You guys just keep kicking ass. Keep up the great work.
Thank you, appreciate the good words. 👍
Brilliant piece guys. Definitely on my wish list for this summer.
Thank you. Appreciate your business, and I believe you will be well pleased with it.
Congratulations on the release of your new, extremely well thought out, product.
Thanks so much! It has been a long time coming.
Great idea. Thanks for letting us know. Keep up the fantastic work guys. Have a great day.
Thanks! You too! 👍
I'm glad you are. using the wireless mics. Sounds much better.
Thanks man! We have tried over half a dozen audio set ups and was not happy with any of them until we got the rodes wireless set up.
Great design guys..I'm keen to see those TBW ones!!👍
Thank you.
Yes, we are working on them right now. Should not be long. 👍
See this is why I buy d k custom products. This product will please the good and the wickedly evil. good work guys keep it up.
Thanks man, appreciate the kind words and your business. 👍
You guys are mad scientists!
Thanks! 😂
Great just something else I'm gonna have to buy from you guys. Seriously, you make great products.
Man, we appreciate the kind words, and your business. Glad you are digging the parts. 👍
From one engineer to another, i would recommend creating a fitting that allows you to screw a catch can directly to the bottom of the support bracket. This eliminates hoses all together, there's already space in that area for a catch can as many people mount the DK directly below the air cleaner anyway.
Yes, that would be nice, but the top of the catch-can would hit the air cleaner backplate.
my thoughts exactly...
Then redesign the catch can. I will by when you have it with no hoses. For my 2022 road glide limited. Nice job.
@@2wheeltravel401 I agree 100%... they (DK) need to do some R&D with a catch can mounting system.
@@2wheeltravel401 If we do that, we will post a video on youtube and send out an announcement in a mailing to all that have signed up for updates.
Clever. Necessity is the mother of invention.
Thanks!
👍😎👍
Emissions inspection / exhaust noise inspection police roadblocks ARE happening in countries outside of the US. This is a must-have.
Yes, and unfortunately it is coming the the US, sooner or later. That is one of the reasons we developed this. 👍
Great part guys , you must have some great CNC machines
Yes we have a HAAS Mill and a HAAS Lathe with a bar feeder.
Thank you for the kind words. 👍
This a brilliant all purpose solution that’s compliant and subtle if someone opts to vent. I sincerely hope you guys have a Patent pending or application pending for the work you’ve done. It’s not only creative but lucrative and don’t let some corporate hack steal your hard work, thoughtful design, and solution for the HD engines!!
Get on that and start stamping it patent pending with the application number. It’s a easy process that’s done online.
Thank you for your kind words. We appreciate it!
Yes, we have filed our patent application, not a difficult process to get a patent, just a long one.
Over the years we have well over a dozen patents. It does help in most countries to stop folks from copying our work.
Unfortunately Chinese companies will steal designs, and there is not much that can be done about it....at least on our level.
I was just looking at the Transformers on your website and came to TH-cam to find out more.
Thanks for your interest! if you have any particular questions about the Transformer™ shoot an email to support@dkcustomproducts.com
I’m buying one of these as soon as available for TBW twin cams.
Cool, we appreciate your business. We are working on them, will be available soon.
You guys have some great products!!
Thank you! 👍
Well, that's clever! It's a great idea to have a system that can become EPA compliant if necessary.
Thank you! 👍
It really is good to be ready for whatever happens in the USA. Outside the USA there are already some places that need to be emissions compliant, and this is the answer for them right now.
Looks great
Thank you! 👍
Nice setup
Thanks! 👍😎👍
It is the cleanest solution to keeping that crap our of the engine.
Video on how detrimental it is to route CC air into the intake- th-cam.com/video/EfDeFZblMck/w-d-xo.html
Looks pretty simple to change back and forth (external versus internal venting). Of course, I'm sure that nobody would ever consider venting internally one day a year just to pass an annual EPA inspection (then vent externally the other 364 days) 🤣😂. Looks like a real winner DK!!
The Outlaw Air Cleaners are sold world-wide, and there are currently some countries that do emission inspections. So this is good for them,
@@DKCustomProducts I wholeheartedly agree and was complimenting you guys on the product👍
@@Mike-in-PI Thank you! We appreciate that!
I really like this idea!
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Wow release this literally a week after I purchased the EBS hose kit. Damn
Man, that is a bummer. We are always working on new products that will help enhance the riding experience. Fortunately you can use your filter or catch-can from your existing system with the Transformer™.
Guys, I just sent an email to support to make sure that II get the correct one for my 2012 FLHTK. I definitely will be placing my order on the 13th. You guys ROCK.....Oops, just saw your Pinned message. I want on the order list ASAP before I spend my WAM...
Yeah, it will be another month or so before we have inventory on the Twin Cam TBW version. If you email us and ask to be notified when we have them, we will do that. Support@DKCustomProducts.com
I just installed the Transformer tonight along with an Outlaw air cleaner (578). The transformer was an easy install and hats off to DK for making this tidy. I would suggest some additional attention to deburring the plate surface, but a little time with emery cloth and all was good. I think the o-rings and grooves could be thicker as well, but as long as they seal, right? Curious as to why the light aluminum breather bolts? They were well made, but I did worry about torque on installation, thinking about the heat cycles. The only thing I'm not happy with is the air cleaner fit. I've spent a lot of time trying to get good alignment, and there's only the outside flat plate (cover) applying center pressure to seal the filter...a little worried about leaks.
All in all, excellent product, and we'll see after some miles!
Great to hear you are liking the Transformer. Thank you for the reveiw.
On the 587, if it is overtightened it will make the filter element go out of round. There is a video link below on the 587 install, and starting around the 7 minute mark we go over the installation of the cover.
If it is snugged down there is no worry about leaks. I have run various 587's on my bikes for well over 100k miles and never had an issue. This is because of the unique mating surfaces that K&N uses on either side of the filter element. It seals well with minimal pressure.
As noted in the video below, if you want to be extra cautious, use a little oil on the surfaces, that is double protection.
th-cam.com/video/avOBGg7hfCs/w-d-xo.html
After 3 weeks and 1200 miles (mostly highway miles, generally 3000-3300 RPM cruising)...all good! Checked catch and it was clean. I'll check again at 5000 miles. I also run the feuling dipstick...clean filter there as well.
Everything good with the transformer, and again, great job!
This is a great system guys. Very ingenious. I suppose in some situations a biker might choose to switch between EPA compliant or non-compliant, based on the inspection schedule. Obviously I do not recommend trying to fool the gov't in any way, shape, or manner.
We do not suggest trying to fool the Gov either.
There may be a situation where you are visiting an EPA compliant state or to have the option if your state becomes EPA compliant and you do not want to spend the extra money for a whole new air cleaner set up.
Thanks for commenting! 👍
Nice job as always and congrats! I’m hoping there is a way to make this work with my Trask turbo system.
Thank you, appreciate the kind words.
If you email us a photo of your intake, we will let you know if this will work with it.
Support@DKCustomProducts.com
Got it; thanks and will do.
Way cool
Thank you! 👍
That is awesome! Take my money!!!!!
We appreciate your business. 👍
Very clean looking set up plus the option of venting internal or external. I hope you have a patent so the internet savvy chinese can't rip u off. Big Kudos on this great looking product
Thanks Jack. We do have a Patent Pending on it.
UNFORTUNATELY it does not matter to the Chinese. We have products with Patents issued and they not only knock off our patented designs, they actually use photos of our parts, installed on our bikes and our Customers bikes to sell their knock-offs. Amazon and ebay do not help by giving them a platform to sell stolen designs on.
@@DKCustomProducts I see a lot of knock off parts on Flea Bay and Amazon, Heim joint shifters for one I would not ever use, they even look cheaply copied. I try to buy USA when ever I can, and your products would be at the top of my list and I tell all my friends to patronise you, Nuff Said, time to ride
@@jackklarich7045 Thanks Jack.
Yeah, we have gotten knocks offs taken off of Amazon and ebay (long PITA process). Then, after they are gone, 5 more new thieves pop up.
As you noted, buying USA made is the key, but there are far too many folks that buy the cheapest thing they can, with little regard for where or how it is made.
Then, many of them complain about poor quality, poor instructions, bad fitment, etc.
Nice!!!
Thanks!👍
Great video and looks like a great product. I have a 2019 Softail M8 Slim. I have the Screaming Eagle air cleaner with the standard outer cover, does this fit this set up? Or do I need a different air cleaner to make it work? Thanks
Thank you, appreciate the kind words.
SE air cleaners are not compatible with the Transformer™
All the Outlaw Air Cleaners work, along with some others that have a completely flat backplate.
To keep your standard cover on you '19 Softail Slim you can get either of the two air cleaner linked below that will work with the Transformer™ and your stock cover.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/naked-complete-hiflow-606-air-cleaner-harley-milwaukee-eight-dk-ac606-nk-m8.htm
www.dkcustomproducts.com/black-complete-hiflow-587-air-cleaner-harley-milwaukee-eight-dk-ac587-blk-m8.htm
Very nice appearance. Will this work with the FuelMoto Hi Flow breather for Softail?
Thanks for checking. It will not. It is meant to work with all the Outlaw air cleaners, and any air cleaner that has a completely engine side flat backplate.
Cool
Glad you like the video! You can see more about the Transformer™ at the link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/transformer-external-breather-systems.htm
Thank you for commenting! MB
Looks great guys..... what is the size of the oil passages in the plate? Assuming oil gunking up..... no issue on clogging? I assume the head pressure keeps it free flowing? thx
Thank you! 👍
There is no clogging on gunking up. The passageways are larger than some in the engine.
to center is .125" wide x .055" deep.
to bottom is .07" wide x .1" deep.
Great idea guys and good timing for me. I have your 828 system/breather bolts on my M8 and it seems to be a spitter and was going to go with the catch can system but wasnt thrilled to do so because of the hoses. This seems to address the hose issue. So I can use this on my DK Customs 828 sleeper air cleaner in place of the breather bolts I purchased from you..correct?
Cool, glad you saw this. Appreciate your business. 👍
That is correct. The Transformer™ will mount right behind your 828 and take the place of the Breather Bolts.
Here is the link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/transformertm-external-breather-system-ebs-for-harley-m8-milwaukee-eight.htm
Great concept guys, I am ordering one but I have a question: Will this need to be cleaned every so often since oil will be passing through such a small channel?
There are smaller passageways within the head breather system that the oil carry over and crankcase gasses pass thru prior to reaching the Transformer™. Clearing the passageways within the Transformer™ assembly simply isn't required BUT with that said, it wouldn't hurt to do it yearly.
I have had mine installed for a few years and have never cleaned it and it is still running like new.
Feel free to contact us with any questions or concerns;
Support@DKCustomProducts.com
662-252-8828
Thanks for commenting! 😎
That is bad ass💪💪
Thank you! 👍
Roland Sands offers this style of bracket with their units
Not sure what you mean.
I have not seen any bracket that converts between and EBS and and EPA compliant configuration. Not from RS or anyone else.
Do you have a RS part #?
I want!
Cool, we appreciate your business! 👍
How about a catch can that has a second port to go back to the breather allowing the oil to stay in the can and the air to return to the throttle body giving the catch can a negative pressure to assist flow?
With a free flowing air cleaner there is no need for the hot, oily, oxygen depleted air to be filtered and re-routed back to the throttle body. The air would still be warm (performance robber) and it would still be oxygen depleted (another performance robber)
Thanks for commenting!
is there a how to video showing breather kit added to a 2021 Harley Iron sportster so I can keep the OEM filter cover?
Here are a couple of videos on how to install an EBS on a stock air cleaner-
th-cam.com/video/5tTkzGol2G4/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/uAmPC_kglJk/w-d-xo.html
There are also a pictorial on install steps on a sporty under the technical info button at this link-
www.dkcustomproducts.com/discrete-head-breather-system-harley-sportster-big-twin-evo-dk-spt-brt.htm
At the same link above, there are written instructions under the Instructions tab
Pretty cool. I get it, why not make the same model, non-transforming? Or do you think emissions will be an issue, down the road? Good video!
To do what it does, the only difference in making a non-transforming one would be to not include the plug or the two little rubber pieces, and not cut about 2" of channels. Everything else is still needed to give it the extremely discrete hose barb down at the bottom.
YES, it is already an issue in several countries that we ship to. Quite a few countries in Europe have annual emission inspections. PLUS, it is only a matter of time before Cali and some other USA States start doing inspections.
Thanks for the kind words!
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The USA have a lot more problems than fking with bikers
@DKCustomProducts can you tell me which external breather with catch can I will need for a 22 street glide with a 107 and a S&S teardrop air cleaner? Thank you in advance!
I know that any of them at the link below will work. There may be some others, if you email or call for Dwayne or Natalie on Monday he will be able to let you know if there are any others that will fit.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/diy-external-breather-systems-528.htm
Contact Info:
Support@DKCustomProducts.com
662-252-8828
Catch-can for the win.
No hoses.
Yes, it is a very clean install.
Thanks for the comment! 👍
Dennis, I need to get the entire kit sir right after Christmas I will be getting in touch with you and please if it is okay with you I want to talk to you about everything and what I need and what I don't need. I believe that you will sell me the correct stuff we have talked to once before. Thank you kindly sir and have a merry christmas.
Merry Christmas!
Feel free to email or call, we're happy to help.
Support@DKCustomProducts.com
662-252-8828
Any chance DK Customs have an external breather for the sportster SE 58mm manifold and SE 58mm aircleaner?? love your product would love to run it.
Yes, we have them. Which one to use depends on which 58mm air cleaner. The EBS at the following link will work with most. But if you email or call ( Support@DKCustomProducts.com or 662-252-8828 ) and let us know the part number, or just send a photo, we can let you know what all options you have.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/diy-external-breather-systems-405.htm
Hey guys, could you please tell me exactly what I need to install one on my 2023 Harley Davidson Fatboy 114 (stainless steel hoses) w/aluminum catch can.
I also want the Inlet filter system with the chrome cover (custom)?
It really matters what Air Cleaner you have. The Transformer works with a flat back plate where the back plate and support bracket are separate.
All air cleaner options we offer would accept the transformer EBS add-on.
The Transformer bolts up directly to the heads... Any air cleaner that connects to the heads as well, would not be a possible installation with the transformer in place.
You can look at this link to see the different types of breather systems and what air cleaners they are compatible with - www.dkcustomproducts.com/getting-the-right-external-breather-systems-ebs-for-your-bike.htm
You can see all our air cleaners at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/air-cleaner-intake-c10-390.htm
If You have any questions please feel free to contact us;
Support@DKCustomProducts.com
6662-252-8828
Thanks for commenting! MB
This looks like a great idea. Just out of curiosity, what would it take to have the option of venting it out the top of the back plate. I would prefer to run a hose along the frame under the tank so I can mount a catch can somewhere behind the engine. Just a thought
That is very similar routing that I did on my Softail, but I routed it up under the tank, down the downtube and below the right side floorboard. You can see photos of the hose routing from the bottom of the Transformer™ at the links below.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/r/transformer_no_ac_3_1.jpg
www.dkcustomproducts.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/r/transformer_bobber_cover_1.jpg
You can see that even with the hose barb on the bottom of the Transformer™ it is all but invisible when the air cleaner is installed.
Here it is with a different air cleaner.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/r/transformer_side_profile_1.jpg
Putting the hose barb at the top can be problematic for flow in colder climates.
@@DKCustomProducts I live in So. Florida so dealing with the cold is a rare thing. So my next question is will it work with other high flow air cleaners?
@@DWinthekeys It works with any air cleaner that has a completely flat, engine side, backplate. All the DK Outlaw air cleaners are designed that way, as are some S&S, some V&H and others.
Very very interested. One of the main reason I've held off on changing out my screaming eagle on my 14 limited. Having to find and buy mounting bracket. I do like your other option,the screen and foam in the breather bolts, I was surprised that wasn't offered as an option to the transformer system. Will that be an option? Keep me informed, please
Thank you
DC
Thank you for looking at our parts and our videos. 👍
The Outlaw Breather Bolts thread into the heads, in the same place that the Transformer™ threads in.
Also, when you purchase any of our Outlaw Air Cleaners the mounting bracket you want (if you don't get a Transformer™) is an option.
You can see them at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/air-cleaner-intake-c10-315.htm
You don't need to buy a new mounting bracket, I have the screaming eagle breather on my 16 sgs , I drilled and tapped the se breather and screwed fittings for hose and tapped the holes going into breather for set screws (use red locktite on them )
This has worked out great for 2 years now.
I just received the transformer for my M8! The question I have is do I not use the black bracket that that goes from breather port to the other breather port. Looks like I can omit it at put the new O ringed spacer against the head?
If you are talking about the support bracket, no you do not use the support bracket with the Transformer. The Transformer is a support bracket and EBS.
You can email us a picture of what you are talking about and we can further help you with installing the Transformer:
Support@DKCustomProducts.com
Thanks for inquiring! 😎👍
Kevin, Dwayne great job. Can I bolt on my stock 114 air cleaner?
Not sure what year model bike you have or which stock Air Cleaner came on your bike, but The Transformer works with a flat back plate where the back plate and support bracket are separate.
If your backplate is flat and separate from the support bracket it will work.
Also all air cleaner options we offer would accept the transformer EBS add-on.
The Transformer bolts up directly to the heads... Any air cleaner that connects to the heads as well, would not be a possible installation with the transformer in place.
You can look at this link to see the different types of breather systems and what air cleaners they are compatible with - www.dkcustomproducts.com/getting-the-right-external-breather-systems-ebs-for-your-bike.htm
You can see all our air cleaners at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/air-cleaner-intake-c10-390.htm
If You have any questions please feel free to contact us;
Support@DKCustomProducts.com
6662-252-8828
Thanks for commenting! MB
Here is a video showing how the Transformer works, and what air cleaners it will work with and why and what air cleaners it will not work with, and why.
th-cam.com/video/_XYXScy3j0Q/w-d-xo.html
As you can see from the above video, it will not work with your stock 114 air cleaner. KP
Hello guys. Enjoyed the video. I have a 2005 flhtpi 88 cu.in.stock with mild duration cams. I also have a 2017 fxdl 103 cu in. Stock all the way including exhaust 2 into 1. Can u twll me if this is advantage to convert to your product. Thank bro.
They both will benefit, and they will both need to have a completely flat backplate air cleaner which is not stock on either of those bikes.
Here is a link to air cleaners that are compatible- www.dkcustomproducts.com/air-cleaner-intake-c10.htm
Here is a video that talks a bit about the benefits- th-cam.com/video/EfDeFZblMck/w-d-xo.html
Great infor! Will this work for my 21 Harley with Fuelmoto AC/DC air intake, it’s about 1.5” think with a transparent cover
Thanks
Thanks, glad you enjoyed.
The FM AC/DC is not compatible with the Transformer™.
The Transformer works with all Outlaw air cleaners, and a few others that have a completely flat A/C backplate. The AC/DC is not flat. on the backside, it has "ears" the bolt onto the heads.
@@DKCustomProducts okay thanks!
Dang just ordered a pair of tti for my softail and now i see this! U guys make my wallet hurt!
Thanks for watching. We appreciate your business! 👍
I have a 2009 Heritage Softail with an S and S stealth air cleaner and a cable throttle. Will it work with this setup
The S&S Stealth is not compatible with the Transformer™. (there are other S&S A/C's that are compatible.
The Transformer works with all Outlaw air cleaners, and a few others that have a completely flat A/C backplate on the engine side. The Stealth is not flat. on the backside, it has "ears" the bolt onto the heads.
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Thanks!
So, this will work with my current Arlen Ness Big Sucker? I'm also a customer but got the ANBS before I found DKCustoms!!!
It will not, it is designed for the completely flat backplates found on the Outlaw Air Cleaners. You can use the filter element from your AN BS with our 606, and then use this. Check out this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/naked-hiflow-606-air-cleaner-back-plate-dyna-softail-touring-rushmore-w-no-filter-element.htm
@@DKCustomProducts Oh yeah, sounds good! I'll check it out for sure!
@@thedon7726 Thank you! 👍
Can I used this with my 2022 low rider s with the stock SE breather?
Unfortunately, no. The Transformer™ is only compatible with air cleaner systems equipped with breather bolts that do not pass thru the backplate.
Here is a video showing what it will fit and what it won't fit- th-cam.com/video/_XYXScy3j0Q/w-d-xo.html
what options do i have re breathers. i have a 2017 iron 883 with a stage 2 big sucker. ps re delivery i live in greece
We ship World-Wide, so Greece is no problem getting it to you.
Here is a link to the options for an EBS with the big sucker.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/diy-external-breather-systems-405.htm
Thank you for looking at our parts, we appreciate it. 👍
Quick question do I have to buy a outlaw filter cause I have a arleness filter and on the site I can't see if I can just buy a filter
Not sure I understand your question. Please feel free to email or call.
Support@DKCustomProducts.com
662-252-8828
Here is a video you may find interesting- th-cam.com/video/_XYXScy3j0Q/w-d-xo.html
Why didn't you place that small piece of rubber vertically to prevent the small area above it from pooling oil? It would completely divert the oil around to both sides?
We placed it where it is because the positioning feeds best when internally vented. When externally vented the pressure pushes everything around to the bottom hose barb.
Makes total sense for the twin cams, or any bike that is unable to vent directly through the trans top cover. In my opinion, venting the trans top cover on the M8’s is so much cheaper and a much cleaner solution…. Trask checkm8 (or simply diy) then I don’t need to mess with the stock breathers whatsoever… problem solved.
Thank you for your comment.
That vent will route some of the oil, but not all of it, away from the air cleaner. It is still feed hot & oxygen depleted air into the air cleaner.
There are 3 measurable benefits to a True External Breather System
1. NO oil into intake to gum up sensors and build carbon deposits
2. NO hot air into intake which robs power. The colder the air charge the better. See video below
3. NO Oxygen depleted air into the intake. The only reason to put air into the intake is for the oxygen. Putting oxygen depleted air in is a total waste and robs power.
Vents that relieve pressure, like you mentioned, are a band aid that only partially address the problem.
th-cam.com/video/EfDeFZblMck/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/tJXGEwLCNDw/w-d-xo.html
@@DKCustomProducts I respectfully disagree…. In this world of plentiful aftermarket parts there’s always someone waiting to purchase anything. It truly pays the novice to do his diligent research.
@@jeffreyengle2762 Not sure what you are disagreeing with?
That hot air is bad for making power?
That oxygen depleted air is bad for making power?
That the Trask vent only routes some of the oil to the transmission? (right on their website they say it reduces oil, they know better than to claim that it eliminates the oil, because, by design, it cannot)
All of our External Breather Systems 100% eliminate Hot, Oily, Oxygen Depleted air...not just reduce some of it.
Absolutely agree on the diligent research paying good dividends.
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@@DKCustomProducts in all honesty I’m not disagreeing with any of it, what I am disagreeing about if I’m disagreeing about anything is the fact that after I did my trans top cover mod, it reduced all oil down to roughly 1% of what it used to be. Which in my opinion is a absolute success. It’s not worth it in my view to spend another 200 or more dollars trying to take care of that one percent. Hope that makes sense.
@@jeffreyengle2762 Understood.
That is great that you got 99% of the oil to stop migrating to your intake. It would be good if everyone was that fortunate.
Some spit more than others.
Have you seen our balloon test? Here is a link to it. th-cam.com/video/Kio4DEuOpCU/w-d-xo.html
The red M8 around the middle of the video puts out a lot of hot oxygen depleted air, but virtually no oil. So he is running an EBS to stop the hot oxygen depleted air. Many are not so lucky on the oil migration.
I would not spend any $ to get the last 1% of the oil either.
I wonder how much hot oxygen depleted air you are still getting though. That is as much a power robber (actually more) than the oil. Oil is more about sensors gumming up and build up on the pistons resulting in tune instability.
Here is a chart showing how much flows-
www.dkcustomproducts.com/breather-system-flow-testing-results-video.htm
We have several tests scheduled to measure on a variety of bikes...but every bike is a little different, so if you ever do a test on yours, I would be interested in the results.
Thanks!
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Any plans on making some for s&s
We have External Breather Systems for S&S air cleaners.
They can be seen at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/breather-systems-c21.htm
On the older, flat back S&S air cleaners, the Transformer™ will work, but on the non-flat back S&S, there is no way to make the Transformer™ fit. Check out this video, you may find it interesting- th-cam.com/video/_XYXScy3j0Q/w-d-xo.html
Feel free to call or write with any question on what kind of EBS will fit on your year & model bike with whichever S&S air cleaner you have.
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will the support bracket work with this air cleaner? K&N RK-3955S Intake System for Harley Davidson, Thanks in advance for your assistance..
I am not familiar with that system but looking at photos and K&N literature online, It does look like it would fit perfectly. Your backplate appears to mount up to the K&N support bracket in the exact same way it would mount up to the transformer. The M8 transformer system can be found here... www.dkcustomproducts.com/transformertm-external-breather-system-ebs-for-harley-m8-milwaukee-eight.htm
I have a 2006 Harley Electric glide standard, With a S&S carburetor which one does it take?
Thank you for looking at our parts.
You have a cable operated Twin Cam. If you email a photo, or the brand & part number of your air cleaner, we can let you know.
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I have an RSD Velocity 65 Air Cleaner. Will this be helpful for this particular air intake? This would be on my 2016 HD 48 Sportster. I would greatly appreciate your response.
It will not, it does not have a flat backplate. See fitment video here- th-cam.com/video/_XYXScy3j0Q/w-d-xo.html
We do have EBS kits for the RSD and most other air cleaners, you can see a chart at the link below. You can also give us a call or email.
Support@DKCustomProducts.com
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www.dkcustomproducts.com/getting-the-right-external-breather-systems-ebs-for-your-bike.htm
Can that backing plate be used with the AN inverted breather?
Thanks for checking. The Transformer™ EBS works with the Outlaw Air cleaners. It will not work with any of the AN AC's.
Quick question, would there be a problem if I used this without a catch can or filter? I mean, as you mentioned just with a hose?
Other than leaving behind a few spots of oil on the ground or shop floor, there shouldn't be a problem with using just the hose. We talk about that in this video - th-cam.com/video/WVZbsLPzmZk/w-d-xo.html
Does kit for twin cam throttle by wire(when available) come with catch can?
When placing the order, you will be prompted to select the catch can or pod filter option.
I have a question I have been looking at the Naked Complete HiFlow 606 Air Cleaner Harley Milwaukee-Eight with a catch can since i want to keep running the stock filter cover for my 17 ultra. I want to buy this bracket/catch can setup but don't see an option for the transformer that comes with a 606 filter and hardware to mount it. right now running the stock filter .
We are in the process of getting the Transformer™ EBS as an option on each air cleaner. That should be done by midnight tonight. Check later tonight or in the morning. It should be there.
Those grooves in the plate look shallow. Does the transformer vent the same or more crankcase pressure as the factory setup?
What about those guys building higher horsepower, higher compression motors? Does the transformer have the capability to vent the extra crankcase pressure those motors are making?
Just curious if any testing has been done on that
Good questions.
The channels are larger than the some of the channels inside the engine. So they will never be a choke point.
Here are the channel dimensions.
to center is .125" wide x .055" deep.
to bottom is .07" wide x .1" deep.
The largest engine we have tested on is a 124 with high compression, and there were no issues.
While we have not tested the 131, inside the engine there are oil passageways that are smaller than in the Transformer™, so there will be no restriction.
Will this work in conjunction with a Kuryakan servo cover ???
I suspect the additional spacing of the cover will create a fitment issue for the transformer. There may be other clearance issues as well... for this reason I would be inclined to say it will not work.
You are welcome to send us pictures so we can better examine the Servo Cover and Air Cleaner that you have and give you a more informed response.
Please email us at;
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Thank you for commenting!
Interesting product, i picked up an oil catch can, tried it out but the bike didnt sound right, I read up on the service manual and it states that the crankcase needs to be vented back into the engine for the critical vacuum (just venting outside will not give it enough vacuum), id love a product that would filter the oil and also vent back into the engine
Thanks for your comment.
Could you please point us to where in the service manual "it states that the crankcase needs to be vented back into the engine for the critical vacuum".
If you could take a photo or give a URL and email it to Support@DKCustomProducts.com attention Kevin.
Or you could text it to 662-420-4891
That would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Are you sure…. I’ve never read that and have never seen anyone concerned about that
@@DKCustomProducts I am pretty sure it doesn’t say anything like that
@@drainmonkeys385 Yes, it is appears to be a myth that is based on some thought that the intake suction is going to flow back thru the breather bolts, thru the umbrella valves, then thru the pushrod tubes, then into the crank and create a vacuum.
This illogical thought (logical on the surface) first became popular among the early M8 owners that were having sumping issues due to the poor oil pump, as they were grasping at straws on what to do about the sumping.
The faulty logic is the thinking that the suction in the intake would pull air via the tiny tubes, instead of the much less restrictive filter element.
@@drainmonkeys385 I would like to see it, if it exists.
It works with all air filters set such s&s system I have?
It does not work with all oil filters, and it does work with some S&S Air Cleaners.
If your backplate to your air cleaner is completely flat on the engine side, it will work.
There will be a video published this afternoon that goes over what is and what is not compatible with the Transformer™
Thank you for looking at our products.👍
Will y’all be selling/ Demoing at the Lone Star Rally in Galviston Texas in November??
Thanks for checking. We will not be there. We will be having an Open House in September, with free Dyno runs. 👍
Thanks for the information the both of you put out. I love watching your channel as I’m not a Mechanic so to me y’all’s content is FANTASTIC. Thanks from Corpus Christi Texas
@@jimmiewilson1744 Thank you for the comment. It is good to hear that you are finding the videos useful/helpful. 👍
I thought that making the oil vent to a catch can or filter would make it E.P.A. compliant, because it's separating the oil for the air that vents.
No, the EPA does not use common sense.
I have a 2001 XLH1200 with a Screamin’ Eagle Air Filter. The bolts in the head are solid (not hollow). Did this year not use the breather through the bolts? I do get a lot of blow back in the filter / carb.
I've never seen a 2001 XLH 1200 that did not vent thru the heads via breather bolts.
@@DKCustomProducts Sounds like I need one of your plates with a catch can. Thanks for responding! Will be ordering shortly.
@@IntoTheWildernessBushcraft Good deal, we appreciate your business & support!
How about designing a metal tube that screws into the bottom of the plate that will hang down and allow the catch can to be fastened to it without a rubber hose?
That may barely work (if we redesign the catch-can) on a Sportster and Twin Cam. There is Not enough room on a M8 between the bottom of the Transformer™ and the top of the cam chest. Here are a couple of photos of it on an M8 that we just installed yesterday.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/image/Transformer/Transformer%20CC%201.jpg
www.dkcustomproducts.com/image/Transformer/Transformer%20CC%202.jpg
@@DKCustomProducts okay then... move the solid mount to either side... you could also design a clamp for the catch can that would bolt to a stationary position on the bike. I am not a fan of hose hanging down or to the side of the air cleaner. in addition, I am not a fan of the hose being used to support the weight of the can. just my two cents.
@@richardrussell500 Thank you! 👍
I have a hard time finding anything to fit an 03 xl1200 c 100th anniversary model.
We have dozens of different air cleaners that will fit your 03 Sporty. (btw, the model you have is exactly what I have for my current project bike)
You can see them all at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/air-cleaner-intake-c10-312.htm
ALL the Outlaw Air Cleaners at the above link will fit your bike. 👍
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Will it work with an Arlen Ness air filter box , I have the one with glass you look at the mouth of the throttle body
Here you go, take a look at this video and you will be able to tell. Thank you for looking at our parts.
th-cam.com/video/_XYXScy3j0Q/w-d-xo.html
If it will not fit, here is a link to other External Breather Systems, we have different set ups, so no matter which A/C you have, one of these will fit.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/breather-systems-c21.htm
Feel free to email or call with any questions.
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Thanks, too bad!
Will this work with the Vance & Hines VO2 air cleaners?
It will work with many of the V&H VO2 intakes. Some of them have completely flat backplates, and the Transformer™ will work with those. Here is a photo of one- m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61y5UXJLRwL._AC_SX522_.jpg
It will work with any intake where the engine side of the backplate is flat.
great design and beautiful manufacturing !
does it make the air cleaner stick out any farther ?
Thank you! 👍
Good question! On the Sportys and Twin Cams it sticks out about 1/2 inch further, which is still Far Less than stock. On the M8 it does not stick out an further.
@@DKCustomProducts cool , thanks !
Dammit
I just got a SE intake 2 months ago.
You can still run an External Breather System with your SE intake. Depending on which SE intake, one of the EBS kits at this link will work- www.dkcustomproducts.com/breather-systems-c21.htm
Feel free to email or call with any questions:
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Will this work with the stock 117 breather?
Here ya go, this video shows what it will and will not fit- th-cam.com/video/_XYXScy3j0Q/w-d-xo.html
Hello, Bought a few products from you guys. So I have a question. I have the M8 Outlaw 587 cleaner on my bike. Is there any way to get a black air filter instead of a red one? I watched the above video above and see a black filter. I really want that on mine. Thanks again.
You can clean your filter element...it will be close to white after that. Then either get some filter oil that is black, or you can add some black dye to the red K&N filter oil to darken it up. 👍
So there technically is no black filter? Ok. Thank you. I will look around and see if i can find one online.
@@Poopaw34 No, the material is a cotton gauze and is naturally a white tan color. Any black ones you see are either dirty, or have had a black oil applied to them
The filter on your 587 is only reddish because the oil used has a red dye in it.
Will that fit my titan gecko rm S&S 113 EVO
I don't know if the Transformer™ will fit. If it uses the same dimensions as the Twin Cam.
We do have plenty of other breather systems that will work.
Feel free to email or call with any questions
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Why do I have to buy your outlaw air cleaner with the external breather system as per your website?
Here is a video that explains what air cleaners are compatible and WHY. The why starts around the 11 minute mark- th-cam.com/video/_XYXScy3j0Q/w-d-xo.html
Does this work with the stock M8 air cleaner
Thanks for watching our vids and asking.
No it does not. It works with any air cleaner that has a completely flat backplate on the engine side. Here is a video with some examples- th-cam.com/video/_XYXScy3j0Q/w-d-xo.html
We do have External Breather Systems that will work with your stock M8 air cleaner. You can see them at the following link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/all-twin-cam-engines-c76-244.htm
You can see a chart of which EBS fits which style A/C at the chart in this link (#1 or 2)- www.dkcustomproducts.com/getting-the-right-external-breather-systems-ebs-for-your-bike.htm
Have a really good question oil that is getting vented is clean oil from the engine why not vent it back to the engine and not through the intake I mean theoretically it's clean oil correct so why not put it right back into the engine block
It is not clean...it is the worst of the oil in the engine. Much of it comes via blow-by, and then the route it takes to get to the breather bolts can get condensation from temp changes.
Here is a link with Photos & Videos of what is going into the the throttle body and then combustion chambers- www.dkcustomproducts.com/overview-of-external-breather-systems-ebs.htm
Best to get an EBS and keep that crap out of you internals, many choices here- www.dkcustomproducts.com/breather-systems-c21.htm
What kind of numbers is she putting out on the dyno compared to the Outlaw backing plates?
This is used in conjunction with the Outlaw backplates, not in place of them. When adding this too an Outlaw Intake, there is a gain of .5 to 1.5% power. Not enough to feel seat of the pants.
@@DKCustomProducts Thanks!
Will this work on a Dyna Evo engine?
You can email our customer service at Support@dkcustomproducts.com or call 662-252-8828 and they can help you with all fitment questions! Thank you for commenting!
Will this work with aftermarket air breathers?
It will with some. Here is a video that explains what it will work with and what it won't-
th-cam.com/video/_XYXScy3j0Q/w-d-xo.html
If you end up having an air cleaner the Transformer will not work with, we have many other External Breather Systems...one of them will work with your air cleaner.
Contact us at Support@DKCustomProducts.com or 662-252-8828 and we'll be happy to help.
Thank you for looking at our parts.
Installing on m8 motor, will it void warranty?
We have never heard of it voiding a warranty but if that is a concern you can just take it off before taking your bike in for any work. Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
Does elevation have much affect on any of your products
Elevation does not change how our parts work. However, at elevation the air is "thinner", less oxygen in it, so the ECM makes adjustments for that. We talk a bit about how elevation is dealt with in this video-
th-cam.com/video/0vbTkRvFa80/w-d-xo.html
What's the availability for a 64mm throttle body?
We are not making any specifically for a 64mm throttle body. However, this one will work with the 64mm Throttle Body on a TWIN CAM. It will NOT work with the M8 64mm.
On the Twin Cam the inlet on the Transformer™ is a little bit smaller in diameter, this will give an Increase in Torque between 2400 and 4200 RPM, and it will be a bit of a Decrease in HP above 4200 RPM. So it depends on how you ride, if you want low end power or top RPM power.