Performed like shit. It grenades on impact and is horrible for taking game with. White tail deer, yea maybe. Literally anything else I wouldn’t use it. I go exotic game hunting each year and this shit is trash on tough animals
I’ve used it and wasn’t happy after three bucks and not a quick kill devastating damage but penetration wasn’t great and seemed to change direction on impact
I've used it in 308 after a couple disappointing hunts I pulled all the bullets set nosler bt 150s on top and crimped and swore off of the xp bullets absolute junk
You'll see soon that this load worked well for us. It even worked better at long range than close; we were center-punching steel targets out to 500 meters. I hope it works as well in yours.
Deer Season XP is one of my favorites. I use the .223 64 grain for varmints and coyotes, 350 Legend 150 grain for hogs. Both have been very effective. I don't use them in 450 Bushmaster as they are so expensive, I use the Hornady Black 250 grain. Luckily I saw your videos on the Winchester ammo for 350 Legend and bought hundreds and hundreds of rounds when they were 19 bucks and change a box.
I have used the .350 Legend Winchester 145 grain FMJ Flat point target load and it worked well on hogs dropping the hog in its tracks .I like these .308 150 grain deer season xp.
Enjoying all your content. In my old age I’ve and location I’ve been turning to Varmint hunting. Can’t hunt deer bottle neck rounds . Deer season is mostly bow.
My mate runs them in his 7mm 08. Does a good job on Red deer within 300 yards with a hit in the beard basket. However 50% of the time there is no exit hole. It can make for hard tracking without a blood trail. However the animal never makes it far from the point of impact.
That's the same sort of report I heard from hunters using the 350 Legend Deer Season XP load. No exit wound, but unless the shot went weird, the animal dropped dead almost immediately.
Love the extreme point bullets from winchester and browning. (Yes I know winchester loads brownings ammo) The only way I have gotten better performance from a bullet is making the leap to using ELD Match and A tip bullets. After using both of those last season, im not going back to “hunting” ammo again.
I stopped using these after one hunt. .270 Winchester the jacket shredded and the bullet fragmented ruined excess meat. With that said they shot 1 moa, but I’ve switched to bonded bullets.
Looks sufficient for varmints and the small Texas deer around me. Picked a box or two of it up in 243 when it was unobtainium. Still had some Hornady 100 grain btsp's which did great but also fragmented inside the deer, still had a pass through with the core though. Winchester really should've put a cannelure to help keep the core from separating.
Does it really matter if it fragmented if it still penetrated? Fragmentation can actually be a good thing in the sense that it generally destroys more tissue
@@maccaspope2275 No it doesn't if you're shooting varmints but if I'm going to harvest an animal like a deer I don't want to destroy the whole right side of the animal and have to trim alot of bloodshot meat from it. It will work just fine if it's all you have available. Just be super patient and get perfect shot placement to minimize damage.
nice clear video all the way , i'm learning bags are the way to go for bench shooting as apposed to bipods but i noticed a lot of muzzle jump out of the .308 but it didnt affect point of impact ' i was surprised by that .
I noticed that as well, but my observation is that the rifles sling mount is just on the edge of the sand bag, which with rear force of recoil the sling mount will cause barrel jump and effect accuracy.
I've been using 55gr VMAX in 223 for deer for 12 years without failure I'm sure these are like them but on steroids so I'm sure they work, whitetail are really easy to kill honestly
Not controlling the fore end of the rifle isn't the way to do it. You must always master the rifle by grasping the fore end to eliminate the huge groupings. I've been professionally trained by the usmc and they always stressed the importance of having a good hold on the fore end to solidify the gun to the sniper. The fundamentals of marksmanship are a time proven method and a stable sand bag in front of your left hand is critical. Having the gun jumping all over the place is no good as well as keeping the guns movement to a bare minimum is critical. Carlos Hathcock and Jim Land seen to it the right way.
The 45 SD is really really bad. Do you think the Chrono was off, or is that just the quality you get for the price? As you said, won’t matter much for hunting 150 yards and in.
Based on my experience with the same product line in 223, I fully expected the results seen here. Inconsistent seating depth, inconsistent crimp, and when broken down and weighed, inconsistent powder charges. For the vast majority of deer hunting, it'd probably work just fine but it's no precision round by any means.
@@supercomp65 puh, that sounds pretty sad. With the level and quality of automation available to a large manufacturer, this pretty much comes down to not caring. I think the ammo quality was also one of the reasons the 6.8 Western is pretty much doa.
My chrono was freaking out, so it could have been an issue. The longer-range testing I'll show in a week or two will demonstrate that the ammo works well.
@@SocialRegressive cool. Btw I always thought those Doppler Radars are non-essential. Man the new ones like the Bulletseeker and another Czech one I tried make this so much more enjoyable. Sure pricing sucks, but it is soooo much more convenient
I think it would be an interesting project to convert that rather heavy setup into a more reasonable hunting rig (lighter, but good stock, Iighter scope) on a budget. I would expect a 3-9 scope + more lightweight Boyd's/stocky's sock, make your original stock less flexible, or used stock?
I'll never buy winchester ammo again. Bought 2 boxes of 308 because my usual ammo wasn't in stock. Every single round had a small dent in the case in the same place from a dirty reloading dye. Never again. Even hornady american whitetail is sub moa in my rifle at a decent price
Bad bullets'! Shot a doe with the 308 150grn at 25 yards and it just ice picked her with no expansion. Front shoulder shot that dropped her to her knees and she got up and then took off but not very fast and I could tell she was hurt. No blood trail! Pretty sure it was a kill shot but we looked for 45 minutes trying to find her with no luck. Going to go back to the Hornady soft points and never buying Winchester XP's again. Don't buy these!
They are not bad bullets. This is a bad review, no rifle caliber ammunition will expand at that close of range. Learn ballistics before you mouth off on quality ammunition.
@TexasSmoking Just curious, why wouldn't bullets expand at a closer range? I'm under the impression velocity (and of course bullet design) is what expansion relies on. Velocity is increased at shorter ranges. Why would a closer shot prevent expansion?
@@joshdiehl8737i see what they were saying but they didn’t say it right. most rounds are designed to be flat flying at 200 so my presumption is they designed them to expand the most on impact at 200. they will still expand at 200 and down but sometimes and it does happen. sometimes the rounds just don’t expand. happens with soft points too. just less likely with a soft point.
That bullet or any bullet other than fmj will expand at short range! Velocity not range expands bullets! Even fmj will deform and sometimes break apart. Bad review or keyboard cowboy!
I hated them. No pass through on 2 different doe under 100 yards. I prefer a bullet that stays together. These do not. They are the opposite of copper or bonded. They were accurate tho.
Sounds pretty similar to what what folks say about the XP 350 Legend load. Hunters are saying that they liquify the innards, but the chance of an exit is spotty.
243 winchester deer season will not exit decent buck but Jesus everything in chest cavity explodes out the entrance hole. Looks like a cup of blood flying out entrance hole. Never seen anything like it.
Sound off! If you've used Deer Season XP ammo in any caliber, how has it performed for you in the field?
Performed like shit. It grenades on impact and is horrible for taking game with. White tail deer, yea maybe. Literally anything else I wouldn’t use it. I go exotic game hunting each year and this shit is trash on tough animals
shot about a 1 and a quarter inch group at 100yards in my savage 308,
I’ve used it and wasn’t happy after three bucks and not a quick kill devastating damage but penetration wasn’t great and seemed to change direction on impact
I've used it in 308 after a couple disappointing hunts I pulled all the bullets set nosler bt 150s on top and crimped and swore off of the xp bullets absolute junk
Can't wait, I'm testing ammo for my 308 a10 as well. It's nice to see comparisons for commonly available products instead of just the high end stuff.
You'll see soon that this load worked well for us. It even worked better at long range than close; we were center-punching steel targets out to 500 meters. I hope it works as well in yours.
Deer Season XP is one of my favorites. I use the .223 64 grain for varmints and coyotes, 350 Legend 150 grain for hogs. Both have been very effective. I don't use them in 450 Bushmaster as they are so expensive, I use the Hornady Black 250 grain. Luckily I saw your videos on the Winchester ammo for 350 Legend and bought hundreds and hundreds of rounds when they were 19 bucks and change a box.
I have used the .350 Legend Winchester 145 grain FMJ Flat point target load and it worked well on hogs dropping the hog in its tracks .I like these .308 150 grain deer season xp.
I shoot those in several calibers and they're sub moa in all calibers with different brand rifles. It's absolutely plants deer on impact.
The slow motion section sounds very similar to watching a Space-X rocket launch!! Good stuff man!!
Another Great video.
Enjoying all your content. In my old age I’ve and location I’ve been turning to Varmint hunting. Can’t hunt deer bottle neck rounds . Deer season is mostly bow.
What varmints are in your area?
This is a good test because both my local Walmarts sell this ammo.
Deer season XP works great for me! I will stick with it.
Looks great. Good results. Thanks for demo. Look forward to distance vids.
My mate runs them in his 7mm 08. Does a good job on Red deer within 300 yards with a hit in the beard basket.
However 50% of the time there is no exit hole. It can make for hard tracking without a blood trail. However the animal never makes it far from the point of impact.
That's the same sort of report I heard from hunters using the 350 Legend Deer Season XP load. No exit wound, but unless the shot went weird, the animal dropped dead almost immediately.
Love the extreme point bullets from winchester and browning. (Yes I know winchester loads brownings ammo) The only way I have gotten better performance from a bullet is making the leap to using ELD Match and A tip bullets. After using both of those last season, im not going back to “hunting” ammo again.
A lot of hunters used to load the old A-Max. It has enough lead, so it makes sense.
Eld match worked fine for me in 2020 when I first got my 6.5 prc really can't tell the difference between it and eldx on game
I used it this year in my 6.5 Killed a buck and a doe no problem
I stopped using these after one hunt. .270 Winchester the jacket shredded and the bullet fragmented ruined excess meat. With that said they shot 1 moa, but I’ve switched to bonded bullets.
Awesome. That would get a deer for most people hunting less than 200 yards.
Looks sufficient for varmints and the small Texas deer around me. Picked a box or two of it up in 243 when it was unobtainium. Still had some Hornady 100 grain btsp's which did great but also fragmented inside the deer, still had a pass through with the core though. Winchester really should've put a cannelure to help keep the core from separating.
Does it really matter if it fragmented if it still penetrated? Fragmentation can actually be a good thing in the sense that it generally destroys more tissue
@@maccaspope2275 No it doesn't if you're shooting varmints but if I'm going to harvest an animal like a deer I don't want to destroy the whole right side of the animal and have to trim alot of bloodshot meat from it. It will work just fine if it's all you have available. Just be super patient and get perfect shot placement to minimize damage.
I enjoy watching your content
nice clear video all the way , i'm learning bags are the way to go for bench shooting as apposed to bipods but i noticed a lot of muzzle jump out of the .308 but it didnt affect point of impact ' i was surprised by that .
I noticed that as well, but my observation is that the rifles sling mount is just on the edge of the sand bag, which with rear force of recoil the sling mount will cause barrel jump and effect accuracy.
This stock sits a little funny on my shoulder in the prone. There's a lot of drop at the heel and toe.
Can you convince your friends
at boyds to make a stock for the new Stevens 334 bolt actions please and thank you
Love the real legend 308 Winchester
I’ve killed 5 deer with this ammo out of a .223. It’s super deadly under 200yds with a lung shot. None of the deer have gone more than about 50yds.
Great to hear. Thanks, Jeff!
I've been using 55gr VMAX in 223 for deer for 12 years without failure I'm sure these are like them but on steroids so I'm sure they work, whitetail are really easy to kill honestly
125 gr out off a 6.5 Creedmoor did the job deer ran maybe 25 yards and dropped did massive damage to lungs
They sounds like what folks have said about the 350 legend load.
Not very accurate in my .270 but that's just one rifle. Thanks for sharing.
....too much spread for me @100 yards; 1-2 MoA shooting prone from bags... Great video though!
What is the barrel length of this rifle?
You need to try the newer Deer Season Copper.
I have some in .243 Win. Haven't tried them yet.
Not controlling the fore end of the rifle isn't the way to do it. You must always master the rifle by grasping the fore end to eliminate the huge groupings. I've been professionally trained by the usmc and they always stressed the importance of having a good hold on the fore end to solidify the gun to the sniper. The fundamentals of marksmanship are a time proven method and a stable sand bag in front of your left hand is critical. Having the gun jumping all over the place is no good as well as keeping the guns movement to a bare minimum is critical. Carlos Hathcock and Jim Land seen to it the right way.
Try again. You’re 11 years old at best
@@TexasSmoking youre 290 at best.
I tend to agree. Leaving the foreend and muzzle flop around is not ideal.
Horrible comment. Shows you never shot or hunted. GG Noob
The sniper comment made me laugh. Go back to your video games and air soft kid.
The real question is, how do you like lead in your hamburger???😮
The 45 SD is really really bad. Do you think the Chrono was off, or is that just the quality you get for the price?
As you said, won’t matter much for hunting 150 yards and in.
Based on my experience with the same product line in 223, I fully expected the results seen here. Inconsistent seating depth, inconsistent crimp, and when broken down and weighed, inconsistent powder charges. For the vast majority of deer hunting, it'd probably work just fine but it's no precision round by any means.
@@supercomp65 puh, that sounds pretty sad. With the level and quality of automation available to a large manufacturer, this pretty much comes down to not caring.
I think the ammo quality was also one of the reasons the 6.8 Western is pretty much doa.
My chrono was freaking out, so it could have been an issue. The longer-range testing I'll show in a week or two will demonstrate that the ammo works well.
@@SocialRegressive cool. Btw I always thought those Doppler Radars are non-essential. Man the new ones like the Bulletseeker and another Czech one I tried make this so much more enjoyable. Sure pricing sucks, but it is soooo much more convenient
I think it would be an interesting project to convert that rather heavy setup into a more reasonable hunting rig (lighter, but good stock,
Iighter scope) on a budget. I would expect a 3-9 scope + more lightweight Boyd's/stocky's sock, make your original stock less flexible, or used stock?
For a hunting rifle a polymer stock is all that's needed unless you're looking for super long range shots that need ultimate accuracy.
Is the 10% gel used to represent human flesh?
Yeah, the FBI uses it to simulate person. Good to hear from you, Eddie!
They don’t call it the Legend for nothing…
I'll never buy winchester ammo again. Bought 2 boxes of 308 because my usual ammo wasn't in stock. Every single round had a small dent in the case in the same place from a dirty reloading dye. Never again. Even hornady american whitetail is sub moa in my rifle at a decent price
Boo freaking hoo your ammo had a blemish that dosent effect ANYTHING performance wise. Grow up and learn about what actually matters.
Especially this Winchester XP ammo. It is utter garbage, I had a horrible experience with it on a black buck. It’s target ammo at best
I haven't had good experiences with winchester ammo. Between poor accuracy and stuck brass
Bad bullets'! Shot a doe with the 308 150grn at 25 yards and it just ice picked her with no expansion. Front shoulder shot that dropped her to her knees and she got up and then took off but not very fast and I could tell she was hurt. No blood trail! Pretty sure it was a kill shot but we looked for 45 minutes trying to find her with no luck. Going to go back to the Hornady soft points and never buying Winchester XP's again. Don't buy these!
Thanks for sharing your real-world experience. Quick question if you don't mind: how cold was the air?
They are not bad bullets. This is a bad review, no rifle caliber ammunition will expand at that close of range. Learn ballistics before you mouth off on quality ammunition.
@TexasSmoking Just curious, why wouldn't bullets expand at a closer range? I'm under the impression velocity (and of course bullet design) is what expansion relies on. Velocity is increased at shorter ranges. Why would a closer shot prevent expansion?
@@joshdiehl8737i see what they were saying but they didn’t say it right. most rounds are designed to be flat flying at 200 so my presumption is they designed them to expand the most on impact at 200. they will still expand at 200 and down but sometimes and it does happen. sometimes the rounds just don’t expand. happens with soft points too. just less likely with a soft point.
That bullet or any bullet other than fmj will expand at short range! Velocity not range expands bullets! Even fmj will deform and sometimes break apart. Bad review or keyboard cowboy!
Minute of meat
Well played sir. Well played.
I hated them. No pass through on 2 different doe under 100 yards. I prefer a bullet that stays together. These do not. They are the opposite of copper or bonded. They were accurate tho.
Sounds pretty similar to what what folks say about the XP 350 Legend load. Hunters are saying that they liquify the innards, but the chance of an exit is spotty.
@@SocialRegressive yep. Basically in the woods I want a pass through and blood trails.
Pass through isnt a good thing. No pass through means all the energy was transferred into the animal.
243 winchester deer season will not exit decent buck but Jesus everything in chest cavity explodes out the entrance hole. Looks like a cup of blood flying out entrance hole. Never seen anything like it.
Very cool! It’s really helpful to know what we can expect and not expect from the budget friendly options. Thanks Kyle!
My ruger SFAR shoots those very good
So does mine!
My AR-10, too.
Mine too. 😊