Could it be that the laptop has 2x GPUs? My Lenovo has the GPU on the CPU and a separate GPU. When I use a 2nd monitor, I typically see one GPU drive one screen, while the other GPU drives the other. This may explain the difference in latency that we see.
I agree. I've seen "wireless" HDMI dongles and they're god awful garbage. This is insane. I'm surprised it's on Kickstarter. This looks like a finished product. The packaging and accessories look finished.
Already got two, ha ha. First, I'd like to implement this to connect one mini PC to a portable 15 inch monitor intended to mirror Serato, this setup wpuld add a workable screen to my DJ controllers. The second is just more simple since I'd like to connect the transmitter to my PC and the receiver to my pen display to liberate it from sharing the same desk with my regular monitor. I'm not sure of it will work, but it's worth trying.
@@shanez1215 To date, there have been two purpose-built wireless VR adapters marketed and sold in the last 3 years. The TPCast and the 60Ghz HTC Wireless Adapter. It seems Intel is making their Wigig stuff more accessible to companies who want to use it. The HTC Wireless Adapter that first used it was $300
This tech will be much more useful when they start baking it into devices. Distance will not get much better because of the high frequencies used. It's also going to be great for large file sharing and backup as the technology matures.
@@hillppari I should have been more specific. I was referring to in home/office applications. With high gain directional antennas and LOS(line of sight) you could definitely pull a lot more out of it. It could be a good solution to "last mile" internet connectivity but at that frequency I suspect even high humidity could cut the bandwidth dramatically if you push the distance to far.
Yep. 2020 and we need a huge dongle just for seing the phones' contents on the big screen. Technology was already more convinient, when MHL used to be inside phones. I don't need wireless transfer at all, it doesn't even make much sense considering how fast the battery is empty anyways. Just a way for having the image on the screen is needed..
So I backed this on Kickstarter after seeing this video. Once it arrived I promptly plugged in to my laptop and external screen. The lag was horrible, so I packed the Hyper Mirror up and put it away. Today, I decided to try it out again - this time with iPad Pro and a TV. This time it worked as advertised - until I laid the iPad flat on the table, which cut the connection completely. It was then that I remembered that in my first test the laptop itself was placed between the receiver and the transmitter. This leads me to the conclusion that the 60 mm wave has the same weakness as the IR - the receiver and the transmitter must see each other at all times. Hopefully this limitation will be removed in the future version of this technology.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 lcd has its own switching latency. from grey to white. pixel in lcd constatly switch to block light or allow to pass it. wired hdmi doesnt have latency.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 makes sense the monitor hes using is the new benq ips 5ms monitor. Most laptops have more than 5ms response time if it's a none gaming one.
Whilst this may well be the case, it's also possible that it's simply an artefact of the rolling shutter from the camera. The easiest way to check for this would be to repeat the test with the screen positions swapped. Regardless, this device is indeed very impressive, hopefully, this hints the end of this era of cables. Is this the same specification as the vive wireless adapter? because that uses some nasty alien antennas on the head, would be amazing if we can get wireless VR in this kind of form factor!!
I'm a backer, 1 month later after filling out the survey I still haven't gotten a shipment or tracking number. The ones that did receive it report it being FAR from the quality of your video, constant artifacting, jittering, latency and pairing issues where you couldn't cast from a distance of over half a meter. I was blown away by this video and backed it, but so far, seems like a scam, so anyone else getting impressed by this, don't bother.
Just came in the mail today, tried it out, didn't work, only static signal and the signal would cut off constantly. I didn't connect it directly to a TV, it was on a HDMI Switch that is connected to a Capture Card in order to visualize the video feed directly on my PC without the need of recording beforehand. It's important to mention that it sends the feed in HDCP mode, which can make the feed incompatible with a wide range of devices. it might had worked if I connected it directly to a TV or Monitor, but I didn't even bother trying because it failed in the usecase I wanted to use it in. Was the highest tier backer where you get all the extras plus a small bag with a zip to put everything in it, disappointed, It'll be catching dust in there for the coming years.
My mind immediately goes to using this to hook up a projector wirelessly to either just one device or even an AV receiver to have multiple inputs. That would make cable routing a non-issue, but I don't know how long term use of this would fare. Still sick though!
Good idea for a secondary system probably, for a Primary one, you will be loosing the UHD resolution/ HDR / .... . But i like your idea for a wireless video Zone 2 !
HistoryAmazigh zone 2 is probably a no go, I’m pretty sure the connection requires line of site. Note that the monitor attachment is design specifically to move the receiver beyond the edge of the screen.
@@jedimojojojo1603 I could be wrong, bu I'm fairly sure the switch lite doesn't have the hardware to output video like the full size version. No cables will work.
The thing is in the future, the Nintendo Switch 2 or whatever could have a transmitter built in and a receiver inside the dock, so the handheld would be a second screen and the dock would receive the signal wirelessly for the first screen and display on the TV. It would be a Wii U but reversed, the "wireless tablet" would be the console itself, opposed to the Wii U.
Even I had this idea, did some research but it got lost in my busy work-life schedule. But I'm happy somebody did achieve this!! 👏👏👏 Fantastic job done.
One major thing to note, millimeter wave does NOT go through solid like WiFi would. You need a direct line of sight between the receiver and transmitter for this to work effectively. If that line of sight is broken, the connection will be interrupted or dropped. ASUS has actually released something like this already with the ROG phone. Millimeter wave (mmWave) is also one of the few implementations for 5G networking.
Yeah, mmWave has been a concept talked about for over a decade as the basis for IP-based cellular telephony and data connections. The biggest issue has always been overcoming the inherent coverage limitations due to the exceptionally high frequency used to transmit/receive data. At this point, carriers are just building out 5G mmWave cellsites every 500 feet in the city centers and nearby suburbs with existing fiber deployments while using lower range radio frequencies for broader coverage at the expense of lower speeds. I genuinely wonder if this device would interfere with any nearby mmWave cellsites and devices.
Until I saw the slow motion I was sceptical, but this is amazing. Almost incredible. I would try to stress test it. This is the kind of stuff that is going to embedded inside everything someday. Amazing.
Diego Opazo yes Bro.... i think same think with you... try 8k video, try on old phone like s5, or any method that can try to how strong This device can go...
zerocal76 This time not yet... but if you want to test the product, you have to test till the best of them is out... at least i didn’t said 12k with 120 fps 😅
Wireless video casting seems like the last frontier and it is so cool to see something like this. I really hope this catches on and we start seeing it built into portable devices like cellphones, laptops and gaming handhelds.
Surprised to see this has been on Kickstarter. I've seen this the first time in 2013 from Silicon Image. The frequency is so high, the signal bounces off the wall rather than going right through. So as long as you have line of sight it works great...
@@SnoopKatt I mean, think of it this way: If you have a laptop that you carry around with you but also like to use with an external monitor when you're home, this would be a great way to do that without having to deal with extra cables. Just sit down and plug the device in. Seems like it could have some real uses
This is way better than the lightning cable adapter to HDMI for my iPad. The latency was so terrible that I couldn’t use it and I paid around 50 bucks for it.
That is pretty badass! If you had an HDMI hub you could put the transmitter on the output and switch between a few devices and send then to a display on a wall and maybe a DVD player, media/gaming PC and consoles all in a nice cabinet or under the coffee table. No wires seen. very cool.
This is better than the other kickstarter project I backed(Mokin). The product doesn't work with my laptop and it doesn't work consistently with my Galaxy Note 8. The project creators also stopped replying to complaints.
Just got mine. Works pretty well, but some immediate concerns: - Transmitter can not tolerate ANY obstruction between it and the receiver. I can wave my hand in front of it and cause the stream to drop out. Need to maintain constant line of site between tx and rx. - They only provide you with one really short usb c cable meant for phone use. Would've been nice if they provided a slightly longer cable for tablets/pc. Also, I think the cable might be unidirectional. - TX and RX need to be 'paired' every time it is turned on . A simple button press is not an issue for most, but I was hoping to use this as a super easy solution to allow my parents to display their phones on their tv. I hope this isn't a dealbreaker for them :P. Other than that, it's pretty great! Only time will tell if it is slowly cooking my insides.
There are quite some errors in that table Wifi doesn't have a 200ms latency, but rather 2-3ms, while Bluetooth actually has 200ms, so the numbers are flipped. Although newer Bluetooth codecs can do around 40ms these days.
I'm sure there are prototypes in existence, but this would be very promising for wireless PC VR. The only solution I'm aware of is for the Vive, but that's a couple of years old and I believe they compress the video on that. Oculus Quest can do it with a sideloaded app, but still has a 30ms latency. If this had a resolution up to 4k at 90hz it would be ideal.
I have been wanting exactly this for like 7-8 years. I have come up with all sorts of work-arounds. Chromecast, a long cord connected to my laptop, a PC hidden in the cabinet with a wireless media keyboard... What I have wanted is to be able to use my laptop in tablet mode, or an actual tablet, mirrored on my TV, with no cables. Chromecast was the best option until now, but it doesn't work with all apps, it crashes randomly, resolution is limited, video playback is slow, and it is not meant for laptops although with a lot of messing around you can get limited use on a laptop. But this right here is what I have actually been wanting.
Makes me wonder why mm-wave, having been in existence since 2008 has not gained more traction from large corporations because practical uses re out there and it's a big part of the whole 5G infrastructure. I can see hardcore gamers going for something like this but at the base price of $99, not likely to catch on in a big way right now. But I am guessing that a few companies out there will be following progress and so expect it to become something that we will see more of over the next couple of years. The fact that it has not only taken what is essentially a no name brand to bring it to any kind of market in 12 years is quite astonishing since wireless everything has been one of the great goals for a long time now. When something comes out around the $50 point then I would jump in but for now I'll watch and see how development progresses.
It will catch on. 5 meter HDMI cables are about 50 bucks and I would definitely pay double for this. Only problem is it can't do 4k 120 like those HDMI 2.1....
This would actually be amazing to have for the Switch if Nintendo was so kind to allow us to passthrough video out of the Type C port without the need for additional power.
The tp cast and htc wireless adapter use the same 60ghz wireless method. Just are for oculus rift and htc vive/vive pro only. I have the htc wireless adapter and while it's fairly good it uses quite a bit of cpu power to compress the signal then send it over since its higher res with high frame rate. Buy the latency is impressively good.
ETA Prime is the *best* tech channel on TH-cam. He never tries too hard or is ever too loud, he knows his stuff and demonstrates how a product works in real time. That's all I ask. And with a little maneuvering, maybe you can use this product in place of a Steam Link? Also for anyone reading this: any suggestions on screen mirroring with a Google Pixel phone similar to this video but without wifi and a Chromecast? The Pixel doesn't support display over USB-C so this product wouldn't work for me.
The idea is very cool. The thing is that it only supports 1080p. So maybe in the future when an 4K option would be available I'll purchase one. Because I would pair this with a PS4 Pro/PS5/PC and I want that 4K/HDR/RayTracing to be supported while using this device. I understand that it's a Kickstarter but this would have been cool a few years back when 1080p was enough. But to come out today with only 1080p capabilities is kind of late. Still a perfect device for 1080p though.
I would use this for my Dex gaming Emulation. That way I can sit on the couch with my phone next to me instead of across the room. Usually if something happens with anything, I have to walk over to my phone just to change things. This would be super convenient even with the price.
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@@KinnArchimedes it's much better then it used to be, i use it on my laptop alot when i want to edit or type things on my phone but with a desktop interface, its nice that the phone is Also charging. It males a massive difference between usb2.0 and 3.0 type c cable understandably so. Give it a try again it's actually and i hate to say this almost a laptop replacement.
@@adriaanserrao2016 yea dex is kinda shitty on my note 8 but pretty good on the tab s6 and s10+. Tab s6 has basically zero weaknesses now since OneNote finally got rid of the lag using the s-pen along with the big Samsung notes update
This is impressive. I'd really like to see some close-up shots of the image on the monitor. I'm assuming there is some compression, but is the bitrate so high that you either can't tell, or is there genuinely enough bandwidth that there's no lossy compression at all?
My mind is blown! Input/video lag IS the only thing stopping me from using my phone for all gaming up to ps2! This device could change the gaming world!!! Slap in a large SD card and go to town!
I think this thing serves better for hooking up laptops and smart phones/tablets, where you want quick hookup and as little cables as possible. For regular game systems i'm not seeing the practical point. Not much point in using this on normal wired game systems. You still need to hook the system up to power and the system is usually next to the monitor/tv your gaming on so whats one extra cable hdmi? I'd personally rather plug an extra cable instead of latency. This is better for those who want to quickly show whats on a laptop/phone/tablet without having to run multiple cables.
I thought I saw a frame of latency from the phone to the monitor, but when you hooked up the laptop, it showed that actually the phone screen just refreshes faster; the laptop and display were in perfect sync near as I could tell
They really should just say "0" noticeable latency, because 0 latency would be 0.0ns latency and this device definitely has more than that it couldn't not as even moving a foot over wire has a delay higher than 0.
This is so rare. Zero lag. FOR GAMING. LATENCY AND GAMING GO HAND IN HAND. I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GAME WIRELESSLY BECAUSE OF LAG. THIS MIGHT CHANGE THAT. FINALLY. The only thing that comes close is the screebeem mini 2
After seeing your video, attempted to reach out to the kickstarter project. Ultimately decided against backing them, mostly due to the fact they were referring everyone to youtube reviewers to get their questions answered instead of actually answering the common questions being asked, or making a faq with the most regular asked questions. Maybe once it become a commercial product will see how the reviews are and their support, but definitely keep up the good reviews on things
6:10 Zero lag is a big claim and in this case is false. You can clearly see that there is latency when the guy is clicking in the smartphone (look at the pink light at the screen), if I can see it in video there is no way there is no lag, and that's a big no for gaming.
Yeah, just putting "0" in their marketing claim for latency alongside the very precise numbers for wifi and Bluetooth felt very sketchy. This might not be an image from the company itself. You can find it at 2:07 in the video. Even just stating "
My guess is the laptop is 60hz and the bigger monitor was 120hz like me mentioned earlier in the vid a la less input lag/refresh rate so it responds faster to the right button mouse click.
Millimeter wave was talked about a lot during the build of 5Gs popularity. And it's nice to see that the wireless HDMI technology has advanced so well.
seems to work perfectly when the device is right next to the display, but it is meant to be used at a distance. You should test how it works from across the room
He literally talks about the distances tested in the video, it's towards the end bro. He said there was zero latency tested up to 20 feet, and then it drops off fast after that.
Hi, does it transmit sound as well? Say I plug the transmitter on my phone and screen it to the TV, does sound plays or do I need to plug my phone to another speaker to play the sound. Thank you in advance!
Working in Consumer Electronics and the home theater field. This is mind blowing. I recently installed a wireless HDMI kit that does not perform well. It disconnects frequently and the latency is particularly trash. Can NOT wait to see where this tech ends up.
Cute Product, has its uses as you have described. I just bought a Wireless HDMI Extender, 5G, 1080p HD Wireless Transmission. reasonably priced and available online now. I am more than pleased. It has the transmitter unit and the receiver unit, both with two antennas and need plug power included. Range of 300ft line of sight, It will transmit HDMI signal in to receiver HDMI signal out. Be it a raspberry pi, TV set top box, recorder player, or I use it to transmit the security cameras to a screen in the bedroom 60ft, one exterior brick wall, four interior walls and one floor. with excellent clarity, no delay. it is out of the box, plug and play simple. No idea if it would work using a phone source, have not had reason to try that.
DO NOT BUY!!!!! Commenting in the hopes someone sees this. I guess early supporters received devices, but they are now taking the money without fulfilling contributions, even though they say there are some left. Crooks.
This would be perfect for this portable arcade stick I'm building. Definitely better than hanging a hdmi cord across living rooms. Best use scenario in my eyes! What do you think ETA?
I was thinking about that too but for emulation retro gaming off a laptop. No more laptop off the the side near the TV. Will build an arcade box later on also :D
I know it's silly but in 2022 I think we should have sort of a standard protocol / build in wireless adapter in every device, at least high end ones, like what we have with bluetooth for audio, we take for granted that any audio high end device comes with that.
You could use it in an arcade control panel that you use on your lap on your couch (or a Pandora's box 9 or something similar) that has a raspberry Pi with emulation station built into it, then the image would just appear on the big screen without the need to run an HDMI cable across the floor. That is what I would use it for.
An interesting alternative to Miracast 5GHz. Use as a second monitor rather than mirroring would be much more beneficial for productivity, although I don't know if this feature is there yet. tip: You could use a count down timer over mirroring, it can show lag more accurately.
The higher the bandwidth, the less compression necessary, the less time spent decoding, the less latency. I'm glad 60Ghz is good enough, and that we won't need to move up to ionising radiation.
Immediately backed it after seeing your video. Better not let us down. If this really work, I can use my regular PC between the living room, dining room and may be even the patio with just a portable monitor and a wireless keyboard.
Woah, this was incredible!! I also was looking into the wireless HDMI options they were all pretty expensive with not great latency. Definitely checking this out and hopefully as it becomes more popular, the range can expand/price goes down.
If you want to cast your screen to PC(although no audio), try scrcpy, with a cable there's no noticeable delay, you can also run it over wifi, but then you can see some latency.
For those of us that like to have the Nintendo switch on a doc at a side table or on a nightstand this is perfect. You can have your system right next to you to use in portable mode or to change cartridges or swap controllers.
It looks like they have this tech working quite well. And the monitor you were using looks a bit more responsive than the one on your laptop. Now if they could use this tech to make game controllers and headphones instead of using Bluetooth...
8:35 Maybe things pop up faster on your monitor because the monitor has a higher response time or refresh rate over the laptop. If this is the case, the latency is so low that it's actually faster to use the receiver than your laptop and the latency could be determined by testing this further
Awesome product, I really want one. I hate when things like this are locked behind Kickstarter. Idk why no one else is making a competitor product. I just want to buy it. Sick of searching every 6 months and seeing it's not available :p
I wish this tech could be combined with a fully wireless touchscreen Monitor. One day I want to be able to have my high end gaming rig stream to a Tablet or Wireless Screen and be able to fully take advantage of my rigs power wile in other parts of the house with Zero Latency. The possibilities are endless... for instance an at home server setup with wireless workstations? 4 family members wirelessly connected to 1 Main system all browsing, gaming, watching movies on their 15" tablets/Monitors with the 1 PC/Server doing all the heavy lifting.
This technology, also called WiGig, was first used on Dell Precision mobile workstations (M6800). Dell's implementation of WiGig was an WiGig-enabled internal WLAN card with with a docking station.
several brands of these adapters have been around since 2010. TV manufacturers were considered receivers built in as a standard. Didn’t happen due to high legacy and interfere from wifi and cell phones.
This tech and wireless input will turn desktop pc's into strategically placed multi-room Desktop-As-A-Service. Integrated versions that can piggyback existing bluetooth input devices onto it's existing bandwidth (very very small packets) could share resources, making better use of these insane gpus that are becoming less and less production constrained already. Concerning extending range, repeaters or nodes on the end of fiber optic based USB cables or similar could be employed. Whatever is required to keep the latency low.
For the ones who want to know how much lag this device has : just pause at the scene of playing Asphalt, compare the two screens one by one, you will see some differencies between the screens like the stopwatch and boosters from the car.
This would be fantastic for mirroring my laptop to the projector in my classroom. Could be anywhere in the room (within 16 ft of course), no cables, very handy.
First off ETA PRIME, love the channel. I had seen this video when you posted it and actually went and backed it but wondered if you knew or not if this actually supports audio over the connection.
8:32 its possible that the laptop screen has more latency than the display you are wirelessly connected to. That's proof enough of how good it works.
i put it on .25 speed and paused the moment it popped up und one screen and indeed the laptop screen was slower. This is just insane.
Laptop screen needs to step up it's fucking game
No not possible, there is more data converting to do over wireless then there is wired.
Could it be that the laptop has 2x GPUs? My Lenovo has the GPU on the CPU and a separate GPU. When I use a 2nd monitor, I typically see one GPU drive one screen, while the other GPU drives the other. This may explain the difference in latency that we see.
@@tyronenelson9124 it is possible bro. Because the ribbon has a lower data transfer speed vs the mm-wave.
OK, I have over twenty years in IT. I'm pretty jaded about new technologies. This is mind blowing.
what he said
I agree. I've seen "wireless" HDMI dongles and they're god awful garbage. This is insane. I'm surprised it's on Kickstarter. This looks like a finished product. The packaging and accessories look finished.
It's also lying, zero delay is a physical impossibility. Even ten gigabit fiber has "some" delay, might only be 10-50ns but it's still more than 0.
@@bdhale34 marketing as usual
@@bdhale34 yeah obviously there has to be some delay if its wireless. But its an improvement over the current mirroring in use in terms of latency.
This is going to open the doors to so many projects. Holy crap.
Already got two, ha ha. First, I'd like to implement this to connect one mini PC to a portable 15 inch monitor intended to mirror Serato, this setup wpuld add a workable screen to my DJ controllers. The second is just more simple since I'd like to connect the transmitter to my PC and the receiver to my pen display to liberate it from sharing the same desk with my regular monitor. I'm not sure of it will work, but it's worth trying.
Wireless VR is gonna be amazing with this.
Wireless HDMI has been around for a while, this company just improved on existing technology and people think it's something new.
@@AraceaeFanatics it's innovation
@@shanez1215 To date, there have been two purpose-built wireless VR adapters marketed and sold in the last 3 years. The TPCast and the 60Ghz HTC Wireless Adapter. It seems Intel is making their Wigig stuff more accessible to companies who want to use it. The HTC Wireless Adapter that first used it was $300
This tech will be much more useful when they start baking it into devices. Distance will not get much better because of the high frequencies used. It's also going to be great for large file sharing and backup as the technology matures.
60ghz mm wave can be used over few kilometers even with Line of sight
@@hillppari I should have been more specific. I was referring to in home/office applications. With high gain directional antennas and LOS(line of sight) you could definitely pull a lot more out of it. It could be a good solution to "last mile" internet connectivity but at that frequency I suspect even high humidity could cut the bandwidth dramatically if you push the distance to far.
Yep. 2020 and we need a huge dongle just for seing the phones' contents on the big screen. Technology was already more convinient, when MHL used to be inside phones. I don't need wireless transfer at all, it doesn't even make much sense considering how fast the battery is empty anyways. Just a way for having the image on the screen is needed..
@@elmariachi5133 the Wii U did this years ago.
Isn't this the technology used in recent LG Phones with a dual display option?
So I backed this on Kickstarter after seeing this video. Once it arrived I promptly plugged in to my laptop and external screen. The lag was horrible, so I packed the Hyper Mirror up and put it away. Today, I decided to try it out again - this time with iPad Pro and a TV. This time it worked as advertised - until I laid the iPad flat on the table, which cut the connection completely. It was then that I remembered that in my first test the laptop itself was placed between the receiver and the transmitter. This leads me to the conclusion that the 60 mm wave has the same weakness as the IR - the receiver and the transmitter must see each other at all times. Hopefully this limitation will be removed in the future version of this technology.
Thank you so much for saving me time and money.
It just needs line of sight. Once it does it works great. I have it and for the Kickstarter price I'm more than happy.
I don't think it can be removed. Physics doesn't allow it the 60GHz mm wave is not good for anything other than line of sight
(a) it clearly states you need clear line of sight and (b) no it won't be removed in future versions because of physics
8:30 that just means that your internal laptop screen has bad latency :-)
that feel when the wirelessly displayed video output has less latency than the device's screen
@@michelvanbriemen3459 lcd has its own switching latency.
from grey to white.
pixel in lcd constatly switch to block light or allow to pass it.
wired hdmi doesnt have latency.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 makes sense the monitor hes using is the new benq ips 5ms monitor. Most laptops have more than 5ms response time if it's a none gaming one.
Whilst this may well be the case, it's also possible that it's simply an artefact of the rolling shutter from the camera. The easiest way to check for this would be to repeat the test with the screen positions swapped. Regardless, this device is indeed very impressive, hopefully, this hints the end of this era of cables. Is this the same specification as the vive wireless adapter? because that uses some nasty alien antennas on the head, would be amazing if we can get wireless VR in this kind of form factor!!
I'm a backer, 1 month later after filling out the survey I still haven't gotten a shipment or tracking number.
The ones that did receive it report it being FAR from the quality of your video, constant artifacting, jittering, latency and pairing issues where you couldn't cast from a distance of over half a meter.
I was blown away by this video and backed it, but so far, seems like a scam, so anyone else getting impressed by this, don't bother.
Mine doesn't even work.
Just came in the mail today, tried it out, didn't work, only static signal and the signal would cut off constantly.
I didn't connect it directly to a TV, it was on a HDMI Switch that is connected to a Capture Card in order to visualize the video feed directly on my PC without the need of recording beforehand.
It's important to mention that it sends the feed in HDCP mode, which can make the feed incompatible with a wide range of devices.
it might had worked if I connected it directly to a TV or Monitor, but I didn't even bother trying because it failed in the usecase I wanted to use it in.
Was the highest tier backer where you get all the extras plus a small bag with a zip to put everything in it, disappointed, It'll be catching dust in there for the coming years.
My mind immediately goes to using this to hook up a projector wirelessly to either just one device or even an AV receiver to have multiple inputs.
That would make cable routing a non-issue, but I don't know how long term use of this would fare. Still sick though!
Good idea for a secondary system probably, for a Primary one, you will be loosing the UHD resolution/ HDR / .... . But i like your idea for a wireless video Zone 2 !
100%. This is what I'm gonna do once I get my living room set up properly
HistoryAmazigh zone 2 is probably a no go, I’m pretty sure the connection requires line of site. Note that the monitor attachment is design specifically to move the receiver beyond the edge of the screen.
Im thinking VR
Pretty awesome. I would like to see this working with the Nintendo Switch.
I'm genuinely curious but what exactly would this do for the Switch? You already have the dock, what am I missing?
@@ASAPNox what about the Switch Lite?
@@jedimojojojo1603 I tend to forget that's a thing but from what I've seen, this device just plugs into the back of the dock.
@@jedimojojojo1603 I could be wrong, bu I'm fairly sure the switch lite doesn't have the hardware to output video like the full size version. No cables will work.
The thing is in the future, the Nintendo Switch 2 or whatever could have a transmitter built in and a receiver inside the dock, so the handheld would be a second screen and the dock would receive the signal wirelessly for the first screen and display on the TV.
It would be a Wii U but reversed, the "wireless tablet" would be the console itself, opposed to the Wii U.
Even I had this idea, did some research but it got lost in my busy work-life schedule. But I'm happy somebody did achieve this!! 👏👏👏 Fantastic job done.
One major thing to note, millimeter wave does NOT go through solid like WiFi would. You need a direct line of sight between the receiver and transmitter for this to work effectively. If that line of sight is broken, the connection will be interrupted or dropped.
ASUS has actually released something like this already with the ROG phone. Millimeter wave (mmWave) is also one of the few implementations for 5G networking.
Thanks, I was just wondering about this.
Yeah, mmWave has been a concept talked about for over a decade as the basis for IP-based cellular telephony and data connections. The biggest issue has always been overcoming the inherent coverage limitations due to the exceptionally high frequency used to transmit/receive data. At this point, carriers are just building out 5G mmWave cellsites every 500 feet in the city centers and nearby suburbs with existing fiber deployments while using lower range radio frequencies for broader coverage at the expense of lower speeds. I genuinely wonder if this device would interfere with any nearby mmWave cellsites and devices.
Waiting for the 5G lunatics to cancel ROG 2 for having a transmitter...
Nice... Let me wait 2 years when the prices go down..
I hope we see these for 29.99 in a year or so
@Thomas Foster Really depends on demand honestly. If theres more demand more companies will make these devices bringing the price down.
Lol
It'll go down in price when the Chinese rip the idea and use cheaper parts.
@@ETAPRIME Crazy drop from the 400.00 Nyrius Aries Home+ I bought to do this a few years ago.
I've always wanted something like this. Looks awesome.
This tech has been around for years its nothing new.
@@tyronenelson9124
Has it? Has it?
(Has it?)
Until I saw the slow motion I was sceptical, but this is amazing. Almost incredible. I would try to stress test it. This is the kind of stuff that is going to embedded inside everything someday. Amazing.
Diego Opazo yes Bro.... i think same think with you... try 8k video, try on old phone like s5, or any method that can try to how strong This device can go...
@@SeAnBless27 8K video? Seriously? What % of ppl even have a 8k TV or monitor
@@SeAnBless27 he already said it works up to 1440p 60hz
@@zerocal76 I have 4k and I doubt I can see huge improvement with 8k.
zerocal76 This time not yet... but if you want to test the product, you have to test till the best of them is out... at least i didn’t said 12k with 120 fps 😅
Yo that's cool, I can see myself using it with a camera and capture card for a wireless streaming setup.
Wireless video casting seems like the last frontier and it is so cool to see something like this. I really hope this catches on and we start seeing it built into portable devices like cellphones, laptops and gaming handhelds.
Surprised to see this has been on Kickstarter. I've seen this the first time in 2013 from Silicon Image. The frequency is so high, the signal bounces off the wall rather than going right through. So as long as you have line of sight it works great...
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Yup, as soon as people walk between the transmitter and receiver,, there will be drops, lag, etc. This was tested in way too optimistic of conditions.
@@SnoopKatt I mean, think of it this way:
If you have a laptop that you carry around with you but also like to use with an external monitor when you're home, this would be a great way to do that without having to deal with extra cables. Just sit down and plug the device in. Seems like it could have some real uses
This is way better than the lightning cable adapter to HDMI for my iPad. The latency was so terrible that I couldn’t use it and I paid around 50 bucks for it.
Im gonna buy one of these for my mom for Christmas... I am sure it wont overwhelm her LOL
I feel you, bro.
That is pretty badass! If you had an HDMI hub you could put the transmitter on the output and switch between a few devices and send then to a display on a wall and maybe a DVD player, media/gaming PC and consoles all in a nice cabinet or under the coffee table. No wires seen. very cool.
Pls do more analysis with it playing emulators
This is better than the other kickstarter project I backed(Mokin). The product doesn't work with my laptop and it doesn't work consistently with my Galaxy Note 8. The project creators also stopped replying to complaints.
Now I can finally use my 1ft NES classic controllers!
You can get extension cables for like $10.
@@fattiger6957 already got those but want to avoiding trips
This is actually an interesting idea for usage.
Just got mine. Works pretty well, but some immediate concerns:
- Transmitter can not tolerate ANY obstruction between it and the receiver. I can wave my hand in front of it and cause the stream to drop out. Need to maintain constant line of site between tx and rx.
- They only provide you with one really short usb c cable meant for phone use. Would've been nice if they provided a slightly longer cable for tablets/pc. Also, I think the cable might be unidirectional.
- TX and RX need to be 'paired' every time it is turned on . A simple button press is not an issue for most, but I was hoping to use this as a super easy solution to allow my parents to display their phones on their tv. I hope this isn't a dealbreaker for them :P.
Other than that, it's pretty great! Only time will tell if it is slowly cooking my insides.
There are quite some errors in that table
Wifi doesn't have a 200ms latency, but rather 2-3ms, while Bluetooth actually has 200ms, so the numbers are flipped.
Although newer Bluetooth codecs can do around 40ms these days.
I'm sure there are prototypes in existence, but this would be very promising for wireless PC VR. The only solution I'm aware of is for the Vive, but that's a couple of years old and I believe they compress the video on that. Oculus Quest can do it with a sideloaded app, but still has a 30ms latency. If this had a resolution up to 4k at 90hz it would be ideal.
By now I would have expected this sort of thing to already be quite common and a lot cheaper, guess it doesn't have enough demand or something
I have been wanting exactly this for like 7-8 years. I have come up with all sorts of work-arounds. Chromecast, a long cord connected to my laptop, a PC hidden in the cabinet with a wireless media keyboard... What I have wanted is to be able to use my laptop in tablet mode, or an actual tablet, mirrored on my TV, with no cables. Chromecast was the best option until now, but it doesn't work with all apps, it crashes randomly, resolution is limited, video playback is slow, and it is not meant for laptops although with a lot of messing around you can get limited use on a laptop. But this right here is what I have actually been wanting.
Makes me wonder why mm-wave, having been in existence since 2008 has not gained more traction from large corporations because practical uses re out there and it's a big part of the whole 5G infrastructure. I can see hardcore gamers going for something like this but at the base price of $99, not likely to catch on in a big way right now. But I am guessing that a few companies out there will be following progress and so expect it to become something that we will see more of over the next couple of years. The fact that it has not only taken what is essentially a no name brand to bring it to any kind of market in 12 years is quite astonishing since wireless everything has been one of the great goals for a long time now. When something comes out around the $50 point then I would jump in but for now I'll watch and see how development progresses.
It will catch on. 5 meter HDMI cables are about 50 bucks and I would definitely pay double for this. Only problem is it can't do 4k 120 like those HDMI 2.1....
I would guess its one of those things that all the rest of the technology needs to catch up with and it's finally caught up
This would actually be amazing to have for the Switch if Nintendo was so kind to allow us to passthrough video out of the Type C port without the need for additional power.
I would love to see more devices like that but targeting VR HMDs!
I was wondering this as well but 60hz was the limit and vr if remember correctly is 90hz minimum before experiences of sickness buy not sure
The tp cast and htc wireless adapter use the same 60ghz wireless method. Just are for oculus rift and htc vive/vive pro only. I have the htc wireless adapter and while it's fairly good it uses quite a bit of cpu power to compress the signal then send it over since its higher res with high frame rate. Buy the latency is impressively good.
ETA Prime is the *best* tech channel on TH-cam. He never tries too hard or is ever too loud, he knows his stuff and demonstrates how a product works in real time. That's all I ask.
And with a little maneuvering, maybe you can use this product in place of a Steam Link?
Also for anyone reading this: any suggestions on screen mirroring with a Google Pixel phone similar to this video but without wifi and a Chromecast? The Pixel doesn't support display over USB-C so this product wouldn't work for me.
does it work on DSLR camera?
I wish, what camera do you have?
If your DSLR has any kind of display supports then you can surely get a adapter or more to get it to work.
The idea is very cool.
The thing is that it only supports 1080p.
So maybe in the future when an 4K option would be available I'll purchase one.
Because I would pair this with a PS4 Pro/PS5/PC and I want that 4K/HDR/RayTracing to be supported while using this device.
I understand that it's a Kickstarter but this would have been cool a few years back when 1080p was enough.
But to come out today with only 1080p capabilities is kind of late.
Still a perfect device for 1080p though.
**video about wireless HDMI appears**
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ETA your the best watching your videos are what got me started with technology now I run a penetration testing business
This literally "It just works!" no joke :-D
I would use this for my Dex gaming Emulation. That way I can sit on the couch with my phone next to me instead of across the room. Usually if something happens with anything, I have to walk over to my phone just to change things. This would be super convenient even with the price.
damn this is incredible! i need something like this that can go through walls but i'm sure this will come in handy anyways somehow
Just subbed. I'm impressed with the channel's content, fair and balanced opinions, plus I usually learn something.
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Wireless dex finally, and is wasent Samsung who did it.
I've tried OG Dex to a few different TVs through a usb c to HDMI hub, the lag was insufferable. Gaming was out of the question too.
Yap... agree with you... Samsung is one step behind
@@KinnArchimedes it's much better then it used to be, i use it on my laptop alot when i want to edit or type things on my phone but with a desktop interface, its nice that the phone is Also charging. It males a massive difference between usb2.0 and 3.0 type c cable understandably so. Give it a try again it's actually and i hate to say this almost a laptop replacement.
wireless dex comes with the note 20 ultra
@@adriaanserrao2016 yea dex is kinda shitty on my note 8 but pretty good on the tab s6 and s10+. Tab s6 has basically zero weaknesses now since OneNote finally got rid of the lag using the s-pen along with the big Samsung notes update
This is great. I've built a similar Device, works perfectly. No latency. I give 5 stars for this innovation cuz it supports USB, mine doesn't.
This is impressive. I'd really like to see some close-up shots of the image on the monitor. I'm assuming there is some compression, but is the bitrate so high that you either can't tell, or is there genuinely enough bandwidth that there's no lossy compression at all?
Someone mentioned what you are seeing is probably the latency of the laptop screen
@@autohmae He's talking about video quality
My mind is blown! Input/video lag IS the only thing stopping me from using my phone for all gaming up to ps2! This device could change the gaming world!!! Slap in a large SD card and go to town!
This is huge. Please test game consoles with it
I think this thing serves better for hooking up laptops and smart phones/tablets, where you want quick hookup and as little cables as possible. For regular game systems i'm not seeing the practical point. Not much point in using this on normal wired game systems. You still need to hook the system up to power and the system is usually next to the monitor/tv your gaming on so whats one extra cable hdmi? I'd personally rather plug an extra cable instead of latency. This is better for those who want to quickly show whats on a laptop/phone/tablet without having to run multiple cables.
This could be great to use with xCloud (Xbox cloud streaming) from your phone to your TV.
Saw about 1 to 2 frames lag on the asphalt demo... still pretty good
Does it transmit audio also?
Long-distance cable runs to a projector is a great use case!
Also, our board room would see benefit from this 👍
Please answer this question @ETA PRIME 🙏
yes it works, look at 06:00
Audio travels over hdmi so to answer your question yes it transmits audio and video.
I thought I saw a frame of latency from the phone to the monitor, but when you hooked up the laptop, it showed that actually the phone screen just refreshes faster; the laptop and display were in perfect sync near as I could tell
They really should just say "0" noticeable latency, because 0 latency would be 0.0ns latency and this device definitely has more than that it couldn't not as even moving a foot over wire has a delay higher than 0.
This is so rare. Zero lag. FOR GAMING. LATENCY AND GAMING GO HAND IN HAND. I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GAME WIRELESSLY BECAUSE OF LAG. THIS MIGHT CHANGE THAT. FINALLY. The only thing that comes close is the screebeem mini 2
Really interesting! I’d like to see how this performs using the time sleuth! 😉
After seeing your video, attempted to reach out to the kickstarter project. Ultimately decided against backing them, mostly due to the fact they were referring everyone to youtube reviewers to get their questions answered instead of actually answering the common questions being asked, or making a faq with the most regular asked questions. Maybe once it become a commercial product will see how the reviews are and their support, but definitely keep up the good reviews on things
6:10 Zero lag is a big claim and in this case is false. You can clearly see that there is latency when the guy is clicking in the smartphone (look at the pink light at the screen), if I can see it in video there is no way there is no lag, and that's a big no for gaming.
Yeah, just putting "0" in their marketing claim for latency alongside the very precise numbers for wifi and Bluetooth felt very sketchy. This might not be an image from the company itself. You can find it at 2:07 in the video.
Even just stating "
It looks like it works for non-gaming, at least, and I'm pretty sure it would be good enough for my docked Nintendo switch. (I'm really not picky)
This is EXACTLY what I've been looking for! Yeah, I know there are others, but not at this price and w/0 lag. I'm sold!😎💨
The wireless display is faster than the actual monitor ! Lol
My guess is the laptop is 60hz and the bigger monitor was 120hz like me mentioned earlier in the vid a la less input lag/refresh rate so it responds faster to the right button mouse click.
Joey Nguyen wouldn’t it have to be sending a 120hz signal wirelessly for that to be the case? Which I seriously doubt it is.
@@timothybaxter9993 its called pixel response time.
some display have 5ms or some even have 20ms which is awful
Millimeter wave was talked about a lot during the build of 5Gs popularity. And it's nice to see that the wireless HDMI technology has advanced so well.
This thing is amazing for Wireless Streaming Damn
seems to work perfectly when the device is right next to the display, but it is meant to be used at a distance. You should test how it works from across the room
He literally talks about the distances tested in the video, it's towards the end bro. He said there was zero latency tested up to 20 feet, and then it drops off fast after that.
Hi, does it transmit sound as well? Say I plug the transmitter on my phone and screen it to the TV, does sound plays or do I need to plug my phone to another speaker to play the sound. Thank you in advance!
Hdmi will usually include sound
Working in Consumer Electronics and the home theater field. This is mind blowing. I recently installed a wireless HDMI kit that does not perform well. It disconnects frequently and the latency is particularly trash. Can NOT wait to see where this tech ends up.
I saw something a couple of months ago the can mirror the Switch Lite but for the life of me I can’t remember the name.
If you run across it again please let me know.
@@ETAPRIME OK
@@rushunt2131 NOT IMPOSSIBLE it works by scanning the screen itself. and sending the image through HDMI. it works with cell phones too
I think eventually Nintendo will release a Switch Lite with TV out (just like they released the New 2ds a few years after the 2ds)
If it costs $100 like this thing, might as well buy the regular switch! 😄
2:10 mmWave is often used for better 5g connection :)
Looks like a scam on the kick starter web site look at the comments there
You are a hero
Cute Product, has its uses as you have described. I just bought a Wireless HDMI Extender, 5G, 1080p HD Wireless Transmission. reasonably priced and available online now. I am more than pleased.
It has the transmitter unit and the receiver unit, both with two antennas and need plug power included.
Range of 300ft line of sight, It will transmit HDMI signal in to receiver HDMI signal out. Be it a raspberry pi, TV set top box, recorder player, or I use it to transmit the security cameras to a screen in the bedroom 60ft, one exterior brick wall, four interior walls and one floor. with excellent clarity, no delay. it is out of the box, plug and play simple. No idea if it would work using a phone source, have not had reason to try that.
DO NOT BUY!!!!!
Commenting in the hopes someone sees this. I guess early supporters received devices, but they are now taking the money without fulfilling contributions, even though they say there are some left. Crooks.
One step closer to a fully wireless VR headset for PC. :) This is incredible.
This would be perfect for this portable arcade stick I'm building. Definitely better than hanging a hdmi cord across living rooms. Best use scenario in my eyes! What do you think ETA?
I was thinking about that too but for emulation retro gaming off a laptop. No more laptop off the the side near the TV. Will build an arcade box later on also :D
I know it's silly but in 2022 I think we should have sort of a standard protocol / build in wireless adapter in every device, at least high end ones, like what we have with bluetooth for audio, we take for granted that any audio high end device comes with that.
Wow! I’m SUPER impressed! It works so well! I already have ideas on how I can use it!
You could use it in an arcade control panel that you use on your lap on your couch (or a Pandora's box 9 or something similar) that has a raspberry Pi with emulation station built into it, then the image would just appear on the big screen without the need to run an HDMI cable across the floor. That is what I would use it for.
An interesting alternative to Miracast 5GHz. Use as a second monitor rather than mirroring would be much more beneficial for productivity, although I don't know if this feature is there yet.
tip: You could use a count down timer over mirroring, it can show lag more accurately.
The higher the bandwidth, the less compression necessary, the less time spent decoding, the less latency.
I'm glad 60Ghz is good enough, and that we won't need to move up to ionising radiation.
this would be so cool for a livingroom projector
Immediately backed it after seeing your video. Better not let us down. If this really work, I can use my regular PC between the living room, dining room and may be even the patio with just a portable monitor and a wireless keyboard.
Did you get yours? A lot didn't
Woah, this was incredible!! I also was looking into the wireless HDMI options they were all pretty expensive with not great latency. Definitely checking this out and hopefully as it becomes more popular, the range can expand/price goes down.
If you want to cast your screen to PC(although no audio), try scrcpy, with a cable there's no noticeable delay, you can also run it over wifi, but then you can see some latency.
For those of us that like to have the Nintendo switch on a doc at a side table or on a nightstand this is perfect. You can have your system right next to you to use in portable mode or to change cartridges or swap controllers.
Oh, I thought this was a product I could buy now, not a Kickstarter :( Wish that was clearer at the beginning of the video.
It looks like they have this tech working quite well. And the monitor you were using looks a bit more responsive than the one on your laptop. Now if they could use this tech to make game controllers and headphones instead of using Bluetooth...
8:35 Maybe things pop up faster on your monitor because the monitor has a higher response time or refresh rate over the laptop. If this is the case, the latency is so low that it's actually faster to use the receiver than your laptop and the latency could be determined by testing this further
Awesome product, I really want one.
I hate when things like this are locked behind Kickstarter.
Idk why no one else is making a competitor product.
I just want to buy it. Sick of searching every 6 months and seeing it's not available :p
I wish this tech could be combined with a fully wireless touchscreen Monitor. One day I want to be able to have my high end gaming rig stream to a Tablet or Wireless Screen and be able to fully take advantage of my rigs power wile in other parts of the house with Zero Latency.
The possibilities are endless... for instance an at home server setup with wireless workstations? 4 family members wirelessly connected to 1 Main system all browsing, gaming, watching movies on their 15" tablets/Monitors with the 1 PC/Server doing all the heavy lifting.
This technology, also called WiGig, was first used on Dell Precision mobile workstations (M6800). Dell's implementation of WiGig was an WiGig-enabled internal WLAN card with with a docking station.
several brands of these adapters have been around since 2010. TV manufacturers were considered receivers built in as a standard. Didn’t happen due to high legacy and interfere from wifi and cell phones.
I had a concept for this in like 5th grade, I am so excited to see this as a real product!
This device is really awesome. I like that they included all the necessary cables. Thumbs up for this product
This needs to be in wireless controllers. A company called IgniteNet used 60Ghz wifi that is amazing. We use it as a ptp backhaul.
Amazing. I've used these in the past and they've all been junk ware due to latency.
Seems someone finally nailed it.
This tech and wireless input will turn desktop pc's into strategically placed multi-room Desktop-As-A-Service. Integrated versions that can piggyback existing bluetooth input devices onto it's existing bandwidth (very very small packets) could share resources, making better use of these insane gpus that are becoming less and less production constrained already. Concerning extending range, repeaters or nodes on the end of fiber optic based USB cables or similar could be employed. Whatever is required to keep the latency low.
Best tech news of the Year!
1st this.
2nd Rpi 8GB.
Now I just hope someone builds a switch for this.
Great Demonstration. I started off somewhat skeptic, but you definitely changed me into a buyer for this device.
I took a chance with this and they got my money. Fingers crossed that this isn't a scam.
i believe that the refresh rate on the screens cause the illusion effect that you saw popup on the monitor first before the laptop screen
now I want a joystick keyboard and mouse into it, so my PC can lay in a different room than my screen , good review ePrime
60ghz waves are verry interuptable so i wouldent think it can go through a wall.
For the ones who want to know how much lag this device has : just pause at the scene of playing Asphalt, compare the two screens one by one, you will see some differencies between the screens like the stopwatch and boosters from the car.
Loved this, didn't know this technology existed. Thanks so much for uploading this video.
This would be fantastic for mirroring my laptop to the projector in my classroom. Could be anywhere in the room (within 16 ft of course), no cables, very handy.
60ghz millimeter wave is part of the high freq 5g spectrum btw
First off ETA PRIME, love the channel. I had seen this video when you posted it and actually went and backed it but wondered if you knew or not if this actually supports audio over the connection.
I pledged on this project because of you. so I hope the creator no runway.