How Much Power Will a RR-Racing ECU Tune Make on My Lexus ISF?
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- Making more horsepower doesn't always have to be hard, at least that's the hope with this week's video where I install an ECU tune on my Lexus ISF. I show you how the process works and we take my car to the dyno do make some noise and see how much power it makes.
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I've seen a bunch of comments regarding "you have to drive the car after the tune to bring the correction factors back up." We did that, you just didn't see it on the video. The instructions state that you can drive it 50 miles OR do repeated 4th gear pulls. We did over 10 pulls and then a cool down before we started logging the new numbers.
Get used to it. The majority of the F community is a RR nutswinger that bashes you if you show that you really didn't gain much or anything from RR tune.
yeah, you also didn't dyno in manual mode with the tune which is why you didn't hit 7200rpm.
RR tune isn't supposed to show massive whp/torque gains (I don't know any plug-n-play OBD ECU tuner for an NA car that does, even Ktuner/Hondata).
RR Tune's gains are in the extra 500rpm of peak hp (removed rev limiter), removal of speed governor, throttle response, and with other mods, as well as the small whp gain.
With the Intake + Exhaust + Headers + Tune, you're looking at ~50whp gains, which is pretty damn good for some bolt ons on an NA engine.
I'm no RR fanboy (I don't think they'll ever get my business again) but I give them credit for cracking the uncrackable Lexus ECUs
@@chibba5418 You can custom tune with OV tunes software or as my is350, with bitbox. My car currently makes the same numbers as a FBO RR tunes IS350 with just invidia midpipe and manzo cheapo axle back and the custom tune of course (293whp 282wtq)
@@Danu01c OVTune isn't around anymore for the IS350 as far as I'm concerned. I would've loved to bought OV for that extra 200rpm tbh.
And RR actually shows similar gains with an intake, exhaust, and tune (to what you have shown me)
@@chibba5418 OV tune isn't gone. They don't tune anymore nor offer reflash. They literally made a software to tune the ISF/RCF/GSF. The only people tuning with that software right now is delicious tuning and from one of the results I saw on one person they gained like 18whp in a RCF or I can't remember if it was more but it was on 91 octane. RR tune simply sucks. Just a raised limiter and a little timing and that's it. Oh and it adds the converter slipping "feature" at the end of each gear 😂
I absolutely LOVE the ISF. To me it’s basically an M3 with a Mustang GT engine (except IT’s Lexus reliability and refinement). It’s a beautiful car.
this is a great video! perfect eval of this product. exactly what ppl would look for if considering buying the RR tune
I recently got the RR Tune, intake and elbow. Tuned for primary cats removed. Great upgrade. 7200 redline is awesome and the tune takes the engine to the next level of sport.
How’s reliability ?
@@Thabed100 same question
@@5.0_gap68 car's scrapped m8
@@Chiboza lol for real or nah
Does it decrease reliability?
4:48 gotta love the startup 👍🏾
Good comparison. Thanks for that👍
Another great video! I'm about to buy an RR Racing tune for my 2010 IS350 Sport, it will basically move redline to 7200 RPM giving me an additional 15 to 20 whp. I'm currently at around 287 whp right now. I don't really need more power, I personally think what I have is sufficient, but being able to move redline to 7200 RPM for some additional power when I need it is awesome. Keep the video's coming!
Thanks! Enjoy the tune on your 350 and the extra revs.
There’s one error in this. When you re-flash your ECU all of your ignition and knock correction learn value tables reset back to 15 you need to drive the car around for a while And let it learn how far it can advance the timing before detecting knock.
Oui mai si vous avez 20 cv ce sera bien les head pipe de chez sikky zpporte autant voir plus
Hi from Australia,
My ISF has headers and Joe Z K&N panel filter. I am uploading the tune on Saturday and will do a few pulls on the dyno as per instructions.
Whats up dom 😉
Great video sir, I have the RR intake, ppe headers, RR exhaust and flash and it’s worth every penny! Don’t install the engine mounts though unless you want your car to shake and rattle like a old beat up Honda.
PS what rear trunk spoiler is that?
The pulls are to raise the KLVC. Then you will see gains. The tune can optimized for headers, intake and catbck.
Are you getting those Nike signature headlights for the ISF
also, what roads do you hit for driving? I just hit a bunch of backroads down off the AA highway in NKY on Saturday and they were incredible. My dad has an s2k so we took that out. I have a 2018 accord 2.0t MT
i could be wrong but it seems that they didnt use paddles to shift so it might not have reached 7200rpm
you are correct.
I own a 2010 and wouldn't trade it for anything else. Would definitely get the tune. Hands down a fun and badass car no one expects on the road! Nice vid btw 👍
Love the induction noise
Rr racing is one of the best when it is about to tune lexus 🥰🥰
I just bought the tune 2 weeks ago and I got to say its worth it. Feels like a whole new different car in sport manual mode. felt a dramatic increase in the low and mid range power and shifting is more aggressive in first and second gear. Took 2 weeks for my KCLV to reach 21 and that driving alot more then 50 miles. At first the car felt slow.
This 8s good to know
So when you tuned, how quickly you noticed the difference?
@@bronxtaskforce01 right away, that if your motor healthy
You mean, you can clearly feel the 8 horsepower beeing delivered ?
@@boboutelama5748 when I first got the tune I had no mods just the tune, felt like a whole new car the power delivery felt different, shifting was more aggressive with the high Rev up to 7,200 rpm and speed limiter removed so just keep on pulling, just changes the power delivery, but with the supporting mods like intake headers exhaust, I definitely felt the power increase
I would like to see you test the software with an actual cold air intake (K&N)
Thanks for posting ..I know this older but is there a way to remove the tune back to stock? Also have you compared the tune to a pedal commander ? They basically do the same thing without a ECU mod. Is 6-8 wheel HP worth 2500$ your tune and cat back? I’m asking because I don’t know if it’s worth rR racing tune price on my 08 ISF
Did you guys run the car for 50 miles? Rr racing says you need to run the car to see the final restuslts
My IS350 made 15whp and 15wtq gain just by replacing the secondary cats with test pipes. Dunno if you’ll get that boost on your ISF but def worth considering too.
Did u retune it?
Great videos as always... but i was surprised the hood was not open so the car will get heat up faster and you didnt mention which gear you have run ( usually 6th) ... as the say with I/H/E it will be worth it as FBO tune 400+ beast
I’m in between one of these or an f30 335i, I know you had both. Which would you pick?
Drive the car aggressively for a bit, you have to get KCLV up to get a lil more power. But like everyone said, the tune really works if you get headers also
Yeah ,, between 80-110 mph for a wk then re dyno to get real whp ... You are totally correct ...needs some open road caning ..
What cars and coffees do you go to? I'm in Newport
Did I miss you showing the AF ratios post tune?
Will an iDrive be reccomended for this car?
What happens if your car is AWD? There's no rollers for the front wheels on this dyno
Can you find an is200t to do this to, can’t find any dynos on TH-cam
Just found out that you were in Cincy... thats so awesome. Cincy boys all day
Yessir!
nice! im boutta do 0 mods dyno run and then with all bolt ons dyno run.
You gained 8-9 peak whp but what did you gain in the mid range, middle of the powerband. The peak is not relevant since you'll hardly peak and even so be there briefly. Did you gain more in the midrange. I have to say it sounds awesome.
Best hp gain on a isf is defintly the headrs you should do it
It takes some time for the ecu to relearn and advance the timing up to its maximum.
I dont think 1 pull would show the best results! I bet after 2 or 3 pulls you would see it increase
Great video. I have similar mods on my 2013 ISF except for HPS elbow and AFE dry filter. I recently started blending E85 (for an E30-35 mix) to raise KCLV. Any plans to blend E85 and perhaps re-dyno?
Can't use E85 on Lexus' given the rubber fuel lines
@@chibba5418 Check clublexus forum: www.clublexus.com/forums/is-f-2008-2014/837595-will-the-isf-run-well-with-a-blend-of-e85.html
Plenty of ISF owners blending E85 (approx 15-20%) with 91 or 93 pump gas. You are correct that running full E85 long term is bad for rubber fuel lines. RRRacing sells an E85 kit for ISF: blog.rr-racing.com/news/2018/04/24/new-ethanol-tune-increases-power/
@@bleyran True. I meant you can't just tune for e85, you have to replace the rubber fuel lines too.
Also, the RR racing E85 tune is meant for 45% E85/55% 93 Octane, because full E85 actually causes power losses, and their E85 tune is only meant for if you have their supercharger, so it's not a true E85 tune.
Either way, a 105 Octane/ racing fuel tune would be more beneficial
@@chibba5418I'm in NZ got gs460 daily driver but just got a 2012 IS-F ... Will be doing headers , exhaust and tune shortly ,,, we have 91/95/98 octane here , all my turbos or v8s I've run on 98oct ... So get it tuned for that obviously ?? any suggestions on headers/exhaust. Brand wise ??
you planning on the PPE headers or you gonna go straight super charger on this ISF? what's your end goal with it? staying NA or forced induction..?
You have the frrsh tail lights, now you just need the replacement headlights and this would be the cleanest isf
Fan of your channel because I had an 08 and currently a 12 ISF, but I think this is the first video that should have been done a little better. The RR Racing tune recommends you to drive 50+ miles or do steady pulls to bring the KCLV back up and for the computer to learn and adapt. Normal KCLV on a well maintained ISF is 21-25, higher with a little bit of octane booster or gallon of E85. When you reset the battery or rewrite the software, the KCLV usually drops to 15 and has to rise from there. The higher the KCLV the more power you have, and it's also a good indicator to see on a higher mile ISF if the car is having any other issues such as dirty MAF, clogged air filter, old plugs, bad fuel, etc. I had the same tune on my 08 ISF with just a borla, and on my 12 with PPE headers and Borla and current XForce Varex exhaust. I never dyno'd, but roll racing or passing on the highway, the tune is a noticeable improvement with no downsides.
The instructions state. Drive 50 miles OR do repeated 4th gear pulls to get the correction factor up. We did the latter, you just didn't see that boring part in the video.
@@EatSleepDrive My mistake then, watching the video it just sounded like you guys dyno'd, uploaded the tune, then started it, and put the fans back on to dyno. Let us know how it compares over time! KCLV also has a below 3k and above 3k metric, so the driving would help more than just steady pulls. The biggest increase is in the mid range which I think people will read past and just compare max numbers. For what it's worth I think their tune is good, but the tuned intake is not worth it. Have had both. Looking forward to more progress!
@@valdaviper1 ur slow
@@codybersicc7939 thanks bro
@@valdaviper1 why do you say the RR tune is not worth it? I heard stock air box with elbow makes good power for what it is..
Is that a Wald spoiler? It looks a little different than what I remember... I like it. Can you post a link for it? I want :)
Checkout a few videos ago. I did a DIY video and posted a link in the video.
Can the tuning device order an uber eats? Or, airbnb?
The tune works especially the mid-range is improved.
I have an FBO ISF and the dyno will never show the potential of the ISF at real road speeds. Any Dyno that I've seen or been at doesn't replicate the correct and real-world air flow at highway speeds where the computer makes adjustments through the MAF sensor on the ISF.
The ISF is super finicky with air intake temps and therefore shows its full potential on the road where cooler temps are recognized through the MAF sensor and therefore you get the proper adjustments in your timing curve from the tune.
And to piggyback on my last response the true potential of the ISF like others have stated is with a set of aftermarket headers either PPE or Sikky. The stock manifolds suck and it's like the motor is trying to breathe through coffee straws
@@gabeh7373 you can’t purchase sikky headers in the states anymore
Really!? 🤔.... haven't heard anything in a while do you know what happened did Sikky just stop manufacturing them😕
@@gabeh7373 it’s a US regulation issue, but can be sold outside the states. Also, they say it’s just a matter of time before PPE won’t be able to be sold. Crazy!! I need to get those PPE headers for my ISF ASAP 😫
😳😬.... For sure don't miss out on them if that's the case. I'll have to call PPE and Sikky to see what's going on.
One thing I don't get it, is they rework the ecu with no turbo or supercharger..??? I'm no mechanic but, this things don't work if you don't have force induction....
You need an inbox air filter like k&n to gain more bhp
Not sure if you have yet, but PPE or SIKKI headers will give a huge bump with the tune and the exhaust you have. Also look at the K&N cold air kit
I’ve always been curious about their tune, I have PPE headers and Joe Z exhaust, also have the K&N intake but I’ve heard stock is better......
Anyone know where to get pulleys for a IS 250?
What exhaust is that
Are those OEM IS F wheels? Would love to put those on my IS350...
Yes those are OEM, believe they came 2010 and after
Looking at that Dyno sheet, it looks like the guy on the dyno didn’t rev it to 7200rpm
Me being local in the greater Cinci area, I will not go to this dyno.
It's a minimal gain but you'd expect the f to be pretty well tuned stock & being NA as said there's not going to be a lot in it, makes me wonder whether to just leave it stock
7200 rev limiter
I'm in the greater Cincinnati area. nice car man I have a 06 is250
Thank you!
Didn’t know all dynos put out different numbers thought it would have a standard
So it’s only worth getting the tune if you plan on getting headers along with it?
To extract the maximum power yeah
Why did you sell your Bmw
Headers please
I want a 2010 ISF so bad! They aren’t that available and that causes a ridiculous asking price. Are there any comparable, affordable Lexus’?
Get the ISF i’m looking at a couple for $32.999 and they are worth every penny
If I have ppe headers, rr cold air intake, and exhaust how much horsepower do you think I could expect to gain with this tune?
50hp at least - headers make a huge difference to these cars
Hello,
The Lexus IS F is a fun car, isn't it? 👍😊
I have a stock 08 gs 460 is this worth buying? Along with isf tcu?
I'm not familiar with the GS platform, sorry.
Does this ruin the engine or decreases the reliability of the car?
I thought they made a new ISF for a sec... those taillights make such a huge difference
Fr, I would check out the new tho Is500, its the replacement for the ISF
@@MerrickOffTopic yup, it’s soo underrated too
@@MerrickOffTopic No. It's not and F model
8hp for $650 nice job RR. If you want a real tune for the 2UR-GSE get the OVTUNE, did on my RCF and it's night/day difference.
To be fair OVtune has been teasing an ISF tune since 2016. Still not out. Sector7 is another one that’s out but has very limited reviews/proof.
Throw. Sikky headers on then Dyno it Isf are great stock
EatSleepDrive do you think it's a good idea to have the car tune and 2nd did have any issues after the tune ?
Modest gains but if you plan on modding the car a bunch I'd say it's worth it. No issues with it.
Toyota is backwards when it comes to the way it controls the ecu timing, so the knock correction value (kclv) will be at 0 when you first reset the ecu. To get it to the highest point you need to do at least a few 5th and 6th gear low rpm full throttle runs and the ecu will start correcting and you will gain a ton of power. I also recommend a blend of e30 in it so the ecu will have even more breathing room.
Dude should have been sitting around 380 to the wheels, give or take.
Good content, man; however, this one is a bummer... 9hp for $600? What about torque? Seems like no gain as you had more variance in heat soak at first run.
gains come from the extra 550rpm of peak power (rev limit removal), removal of speed limiter, and improved throttle response, in addition to the 10whp/10lb-ft gain.
RR charges high prices because they are the only company that can crack Lexus' ECUs.
He need headers
havent seen you in cincy. I have a black 08 F. have to get together for a cruise soon!
There's a bunch of us that get together in Cincy. Check out the Ohio Lexus F group Facebook page.
Havent seen you either ha. obsidian 12 isf
@@jth858 then you missed our big 16 F event including the LFA :-) Join the FB page if you want and we can organize something
Dang, I'd like to have heard that lfa. Ill check out the fb page
Old intro is best intro
Did you have any issues with check engine lights? If so was RR- Racing able to work with you to iron out the issue?
No check engine lights. There's no hardware changes so no reason for a CEL.
CEL and failed first start up right after the tune is installed is normal; I've had no issues.
There's the potential carbon build-up, but that's always a concern.
Did they dyno in paddle shift red line to 7200 rpm? RR Racing Tune will gain more hp with PPE header. 😎
It’s recommended FBO when to get the tune
PPE header 👍
The headers are what make the power on the Isf. The tune is negligible even with headers
The isf power starts going down at around 6400-6500rpm, the increased rev limit is to not hit the fuel cut at 6600rpm every gear with paddles.
@@BA-ht8bg any valve timing system is going to be running that curve. otherwise, you are probably running turbo high torque > HP
Thinking of buying a ISF but I'm afraid of the valley plate leak. Any things to look out for before buying?
Cracked exhaust manifold
I'm on my second F in california and haven't seen this issue (actually, I never had any issues except the cost of brakes and tires)
@@craigjones1716 Mileage?
@@AngelDiaz-kl5em 95k on first one and 68k on this one
That seem really rich
What’s the throttle response like? Is it more responsive or the same as stock?
That’s the main thing for me, throttle response on ISF is terrible
I get rocks thrown at me for saying that their tune is really just a little adjustment to mixture and timing. Yet in every dyno video its proven that the changes are minimal.
The VW Golf R tune goes from 292hp/~290tq to ~360hp/~380tq on 93. It's true it is just timing and mixture, but for turbocharged vehicles or any other forced injection, really, a tune can get you a lot of extra power. I timed a few launch control runs, and with no tune the car hits 60mph in about 5.0 seconds. With the tune, it's about 3.8 seconds. That's significant for just software.
@@SniperReady yeah.... But if cams are tweaked you get a lot of power out of it. For example, my is350 went from 263wtq to 282wtq from one pass to another by just touching the cams. In a ISF there should be similar if not more gains. Their tune for the is350 doesn't do shit. Just higher limiter that's all. I literally make the exact same power and torque as a FBO RR tuned is350 with just a invidia midpipe and a cheap ass axle back that has the same tube diameter as stock and a custom tune.
@@Danu01c I wish people tuned Lexus here in California I have the rr tune on my fbo is350 and it’s honestly trash I talked to OV tuning and they said they’re releasing support again by the end of the year so I got my fingers crossed.
@@Danu01c what do you mean tweaking the cams? Where could I get this done for mines and for how much?
@@elvisl3395 i'm not sure because I'm not a tuner, I think they move them somehow. My brother is my tuner and by moving I think was the duration of the cam the torque went from 263wtq to 282wtq
What year is this particular IS F?
2010
Ive got an IS500, and honestly the things got tons of power, but i am still a bit interested in this tune, im assuming it would void the warranty though, does anyone know this for sure?
Dealership experiences will vary. Legally speaking they'd have to prove the modifications contributed to a failure, which you never now how that will go. These engines are known to be pretty reliable regardless so it's unlikely you'd encounter an issue, but of course it's a risk none the less.
I wouldn't mess with it until it's out of warranty. You don't need to play that game with a dealership who would try to blame everything on the tune, as EatSleepDrive noted. Enjoy the NA engine as is, maybe with a bit of exhaust work :)
this is kinda weird, you said your isf does 350hp stock, shouldnt the isf do 420hp stock?
Crank vs wheel horsepower.
What’s the point of blowing fans with the hood closed?
Because that's what it's like when the car is moving down the road....
If you sold 4 cars are you into something bigger ?
Maybe....
I recently got the RR tune done with only the intake elbow and oil separator the only mods on the car.
Stock the car was super rich up high and after the tune more so.
Power was up only 6-7 hp. I have to do more investigation as to why it is so rich. Exhaust and headers being done in the next month or so.
I want that on my ls600
Not to shabby, how many miles are on the car?
134k
@@EatSleepDrive Dude that's awesome!! Hardly broken in.. Really need to get me an ISF. .
Your F makes pretty low power for what’s done to it. Stock should have been around 350 wheel. An exhaust should have bumped it to 360+ and especially adding the tune, you should have been around the 380 mark. Either their dyno isn’t accurate, something is going on with your car, or the ECU hasn’t had any time to fully relearn and adjust to what’s been added such as exhaust and tune and that’s why everyone keeps saying about the added pulls. Gutted headers and some intake stuff and you’d be at 400. A little below or a little above.
Every dyno is different. Comparing numbers across different dynos means nothing.
what rim is that
Stock for this year. 2010+ were different than the earlier cars.
Which part of Ohio are you in?
Trick is, get your mods done then flash it for best over all benefit.
Considering what a brake job costs for these cars, I don't think the $700 is out of line to push you past the ISF next to you.
Front and rears brakes like 250 total playa
@@zach1392 That's phenomenal! I've been spending about $500 for front and $400 for rear. I guess I need to sharpen by shopping skills. Thanks for the incentive.
Why didn’t they raise your RPM limiter to 7,200 or 7,400 like everyone else with the tune? I have RRs full bolt on kit (intake, headers, exhaust, tune).
If you want power you have to get PPE headers. You’ll be around 400-420whp then. The intake, exhaust or tune isn’t where this car makes / loses power it’s the headers
The rev limit was increased to 7200rpm with the tune
@@EatSleepDrive weird but in the video it still showed 6,800 on the graph. Unless i saw it wrong.
@@standup911
You have to paddle shift to 7200 rpm if in auto it'll shift at 6800 rpm
The car doesn’t make more power past 6700rpm at the wheels anyway
@@Midwest.. true good point. I’m always in manual lol
How come they didnt dyno with the hood open?
A closed hood gives real street values.
Do you drive down the road with your hood open? The three fans placed in the front simulate airflow while moving.
One could argue putting a dyno in a wind tunnel would be better. Not 3 fans. Lol
@@EatSleepDrive "WhY dOnT yOu DrIvE wItH yOuR hOoD oFf??" @john canale
That's pretty darn expensive for a 10 hp gain. Better to put those $$ towards the next toy.
U must not know much about the limited gains with this setup
Well this isn't a honda
@@v8_sami that’s for sure. 10x more expensive for everything on the F lol. Go FBO and you will see more gains out of that tune.
That's why am so happy I choose my q50 redsport over isf my car put 393 whp stock and with a tune and dps I be around 480 go the wheels. I believe isf are overprice
@@b58forever lol the ISF destroys q50s all day 😂 and that’s the difference between having a car that’s rare vs another Q50 on the road lmao. That number isn’t to the wheels man... that’s to the crank on the red sport
Get an updated front and rear bumper then more exhaust and engine mods
Why who cares about looks
Pretty sure the bumpers all the same 08-14 chief
Thanks for doing this test. I think it's way too costly for an 8 hp gain.
8whp, and most of the gain is in mid range where it's most beneficial. The Borla/Joez cost $1200-1600 before and added 15-20whp. $1800-2800 headers give 30whp or so. The gain seems right for the $ on an NA platform.
Best combination K & N filter, PPE header, exhaust, RR Racing Tune will gain more then 8 hp 😎👍
Welcome to our reality for literally 99% of cars for literally 99% of our lives. We paid THOUSANDS for 8 measurable horsepower across the rev range in the 90’s 😂
@@Midwest.. what do you think of the takeda intake?
@@Midwest.. k&n filters are shite the oil on the filter coats the maf sensor and start to throw up eml light and won’t read the airflow temp and flow correctly one of the worst modifications Iv done to a civic type R. If you just fit a performance filter use AEM dry filter. You’re lucky if it will make 1% improvement letting in dirty air that leads to valve seat recession. Filter companies won’t mention that.
Best is stock factory filter. So the maf doesn’t receive dirty and oily air.
For what RRACING charges for the tune it's not impressive on a NA engine..
In the rally world guys spend thousands to gain a second no big deal spending to get what you want ..
Im seeing so many people questioning the +9 or 10+ HP he gained... Basically that ecu from RR racing is suppose to give you a bunch of power but there are things that you need to have on point like, PPE headers, rr intake, invidia exhaust or custom exhaust. If you have this beginners MODs on this car he could gain like +50 to +80 or even more, but since he has his car stock so that’s the result..
This kind of ECU you need to run 50 to 100 miles that’s like the way the car with this new ECU will be learning and gaining more HP.
All this mods, methanol, nitro and a turbo supercharger kit you could make +600hp easy to this beautiful V8
At 1'32": For NA cars it is MUCH harder!
It wastes gas by a good amount relative to the hp you gain, it really didnt feel worth it overall for me when I had it, felt like I had to waste way more gas for an incremental increase in hp
U need to get the 3is bumper and vlands headlights asap!!!
Nice!
That seems like such a small difference...