This is fun! I generally haven't looooved the whole "host in the lobby" for online services trend, but I kinda dig it when it's showing in the room too (right at the beginning), making space for announcements without making it a huge piece of the service. Also really love the graphics and overall look/feel of it!
We had this segment for a while, and called it “ready set go”. It was during our 5 min countdown and the announcers would essentially countdown and say “ready set go” right at the countdown reaching 0. It was great but then we lost our charismatic volunteers to announce and it ended up getting scrapped. Having it during the countdown helped with keeping it casual and even joking around, so that once the service actually started a more reverent tone was happening throughout the service.
Maybe I missed something, but whether there are video images running / flashing behind the two hosts or just them standing in the lobby chatting with one another, two talking heads are like two talking heads. Our church's announcements seem more creative. They often take the form of a pre-recorded short improv skit involving more than 2 persons, often occurring in changing settings. Usually recorded on the church property but sometimes off, and certainly not stuck to the church lobby. Often with a hint of humour or an unexpected twist to the skit content. Probably not as polished as a large church could do it, but our congregants certainy sit up and watch intently when these announcements come on -- during the service, not before or after.
Enjoyed this but I won't be doing this at our church any time soon - we're less than 30 people in a rented hall, but my key take-away was the 40% Celebration, 40% Inspiration, 20% information. Not thought of it that way before. Helpful. Surprised by the fact people don't expect a pastor to speak "tech". I love doing tech and had real fun during lockdown. However, being a pastor of a small church I also have a full-time (IT) job so I do have to prioritise where my time is spent.
Biggest takeaway for me seeing the cart here was that we literally didn't buy anything aside from the cart a few odds and ends from Home Depot. Great example of stretching the budget and using what you have.
Really great video and information. Is it possible to have a step by step breakdown of how they set up their stream deck with the pro presenter and the switcher?
We explored that a bit in the pre production of this video and it was so deep into the weeds with exact pieces of gear needed I didn’t feel like it was useful for 99% of viewers.
Great creativity! Not sure it would work well for our church, but interested in chatting with our team about it. We use to dk the same thing for online but stopped doing that. I love the idea of a “video announcement”, but also “live”. Question…I’d love to see what all you have loaded in propresenter! For instance, are the b-roll type videos already sized in ProPre, or are they a supersource? Any chance I could see a screenshot of the propresenter setup?
Thanks! I’d looked like from one angle of the ProPre screen that a couple videos were already sized smaller in ProPre, but I couldn’t tell! Any chance I could get connected to see that setup?
Brady, buddy, a couple of times it sounded like you were discounting the abilities of volunteers. I'm sure it wasn't your intent, but it's worth watching out for statements like "foolproof even for a volunteer..." ;) Great production, btw.
Live production isn’t my specialty. In this video, Justin is the expert. I’m the novice. *I* am the volunteer. I’m not attempting to discount the ability of anyone. But I also don’t want to downplay how much effort goes into making a system like this work. And how much more impressive it is that Justin has made it possible for anyone to run.
Also, you CAN do all that stuff (with the supersource) in ProPresenter. The problem is latency, but if it's from a different location, that's not an issue. Maybe I should do a tutorial on how.
Totally geeking out to all of your capabilities. - One thing that I struggle with jumped out at me though. That was when you used the term, "Auditorium" - I feel like we are always trying to balance, putting on a show, with being on holy ground, in a place of worship. - I guess that's why I use the term, Sanctuary instead. How do y'all balance the juxtaposition ?
Brady, question outside of this awesome information....behind you, is a large screen or board that says "A Place for You" what words are on the rest of the board?
@@prochurchtools Love that! And it looks great! We had all the flags hanging up in our entry tower from all the counties represented by our church for a while. It was a cool representation of the different cultures within our church family.
You mentioned in the video that the live announcements play after the 5 minute countdown. So if your service say starts at 11:00AM, you have the 5minute countdown run from 10:55AM to 11:00AM, then announcements from 11:00AM to 11:07AM then the Place for you Video from 11:07AM to 11:09AM then start worship at 11:09AM? What is the atmosphere like in the worship area during the announcements? Is it a mix of people listnening, walking in, and talking one another? Does the general attention of the room not happen until the beginning of worship?
Yeah, you've got it right in terms of sequencing. The announcements play in both the sanctuary and the lobby so they're audible and visible in both spots. In terms of the atmosphere, I'd say by the end of the announcements the sanctuary is quite full. At the beginning, it's a mix of people sitting and listening, others walking in and finding their seats, mingling and chatting.
The philosophy here doesn't make any sense. Having those same people do announcements live on stage is more engaging for the audience, but yet its easier to keep time and make things polished with a pre-recorded and edited announcements video. So what are you doing here? Combining the worst of both worlds. The audience is less engaged having to watch a screen rather than see, hear, and feel the energy of a live person in the room and you don't get the benefits of polishing everything up in post. Everything you describe in the "Philosophy" segment can be directly applied to pre-recorded video announcements. And you tout the concept of having hosts off stage on video as "casual and more accessible" which is out of touch. In 2024, people are getting tired of screens. If they want to look at a screen for church they can watch the livestream. People crave and engage more with real, physical human communication. This isn't innovation, this a misguided attempt at something new that actually fails at providing real benefit to the congregation or those in production. Sure its cool that you were able to pull it off from a technical perspective, but this is a waste of time and resources. It's like when Malcolm from Jurassic Park said you "were so preoccupied with whether or not [you] could, [you] never stopped to think if you [should].
@@averysmith5246 We’ve done both pre-recorded video announcements and live announcements for years prior to this so we’re certainly aware of those options and their strengths and weaknesses.
@@prochurchtools How did you assess those strengths and weaknesses? Did you survey your congregation? Did you look at differences in engagement where there was an exact 1:1 equivalent in the message you were trying to bring to your congregation across the methods you used (pre-recorded, live on stage, or live video)? Name 2 ways this live video is better than a pre-recorded video in the lobby? Name 2 ways this live video is better than live on stage? As a Church AVL Director, I can't think of a single beneficial one to either of those and hate seeing church staff and volunteers waste time on things that don't truly have a positive impact on the congregation.
@prochurchtools is there two different computers running propresenter and switcher software in this setup? how is one streamdeck talking to propresenter and switcher? -thx in advance!
Dude for real. I'm trying to figure out if they're mixing a supersource on the atem, propresenter graphics, and then changing all the LT's and camera angles from the streamdeck. I didn't even know you could mix propresenter and a supersource at the same time so I'm trying to figure out how they did it. lol
Really? @redemptionbaseshop I’m sure the pastor and church is very much on mission. This is simply a tool they use to get information out to their congregation. Some use bulletins, others use video. If you don’t like the way they do things, you don’t have to do this yourself (or comment for that matter)
1. Church’s have programming for the purpose of spiritual formation. 2. People need to know about that programming. 3. Announcements make people aware of the programming so they can get involved.
@@prochurchtools Go deeper my friend. I firmly believe that our ecclesiology has failed in the west. In particular, how we treat Spiritual Formation and discipleship as something that needs "programmed." While that can help scratch the surface, does it actually cultivate real spiritual transformation? Think about the finances involved. Does our financial commitment to programming truly create life change? Sure, we can get people to raise their hands at then end of a message. We can even get people to get dunked in an inflatable pool. But does our spending on "stuff" create and expand church or simply expand our brand of church (Meaning...our tiny kingdoms that we call church)? Sure, it is good to allow people to be informed of happenings at the church. That's fine. But this only supposes that Sunday *IS* church. Has very little focus on the true nature of what church is (hence why our ecclesiology needs dismantled). I'm not opposed to your brand of fancy church. I find that it does very little, regardless of programming, to actually create sheep rather than goats.
While some don't see it directly affect in the Great Commission part, I think all these media, broadcast, tech serves some purpose. I think of it as a way for people who has talents in these tech and broadcast to serve and take part in the ministry, and helping to bring the message across to those who are not physically at the church.
@@JasonPangDotCom But this also assumes that our talents must be geared towards a Sunday program and not the way of life we live. It also goes to point out our understanding of "service" as our activity in contribution to an organization rather than our contribution to the proclamation of the Gospel outside the 4 walls of the Gathered saints.
✅ Download the announcements card shopping list: prochur.ch/cart
📺 Watch Sunday morning announcements example here: th-cam.com/video/f4YiIMPZmBE/w-d-xo.html
The fact that the pastor can even speak the camera language is bizarre to me
He’s different. A certified monster.
@@prochurchtools 😆
The fact that your pastor speaks tech is so cool🔥, he even knows how everything works! ……… whaaaaaaat?!
This is fun! I generally haven't looooved the whole "host in the lobby" for online services trend, but I kinda dig it when it's showing in the room too (right at the beginning), making space for announcements without making it a huge piece of the service. Also really love the graphics and overall look/feel of it!
Great stuff - lots of food for thought for our team on this one! Thanks as always guys.
Great video guys! And Brady, you asked all the right questions!!! AND LOVE the drum clamps!!!!
Glad you enjoyed!
We had this segment for a while, and called it “ready set go”. It was during our 5 min countdown and the announcers would essentially countdown and say “ready set go” right at the countdown reaching 0. It was great but then we lost our charismatic volunteers to announce and it ended up getting scrapped. Having it during the countdown helped with keeping it casual and even joking around, so that once the service actually started a more reverent tone was happening throughout the service.
Really, REALLY great video! A lot of takeaways.
Thanks for asking great questions Brady
This was extremely helpful. Thank you guys!
If we ever get the people in our church to be hosts, I would love to do something like this. Maybe someday.
Maybe I missed something, but whether there are video images running / flashing behind the two hosts or just them standing in the lobby chatting with one another, two talking heads are like two talking heads. Our church's announcements seem more creative. They often take the form of a pre-recorded short improv skit involving more than 2 persons, often occurring in changing settings. Usually recorded on the church property but sometimes off, and certainly not stuck to the church lobby. Often with a hint of humour or an unexpected twist to the skit content. Probably not as polished as a large church could do it, but our congregants certainy sit up and watch intently when these announcements come on -- during the service, not before or after.
Well, good for you then. This formula is plenty creative for me, and something we're not currently doing, so it inspires me to try something new!
Enjoyed this but I won't be doing this at our church any time soon - we're less than 30 people in a rented hall, but my key take-away was the 40% Celebration, 40% Inspiration, 20% information. Not thought of it that way before. Helpful.
Surprised by the fact people don't expect a pastor to speak "tech". I love doing tech and had real fun during lockdown. However, being a pastor of a small church I also have a full-time (IT) job so I do have to prioritise where my time is spent.
@@chrisgoodchild so happy you got a takeaway even for a different context. That’s definitely what we want for videos like these!
Love the cart. And my favorite part was that y’all are also using old iPads with the huge power connectors for odd jobs in church tech.
Biggest takeaway for me seeing the cart here was that we literally didn't buy anything aside from the cart a few odds and ends from Home Depot. Great example of stretching the budget and using what you have.
i did this at my church right after covid, tight schedule but worked!
Really great video and information. Is it possible to have a step by step breakdown of how they set up their stream deck with the pro presenter and the switcher?
We explored that a bit in the pre production of this video and it was so deep into the weeds with exact pieces of gear needed I didn’t feel like it was useful for 99% of viewers.
@@prochurchtools maybe a special series for that 😅. If its possible that is
@@prochurchtools upload a part 2 for the 1% though 😅
Great creativity! Not sure it would work well for our church, but interested in chatting with our team about it. We use to dk the same thing for online but stopped doing that. I love the idea of a “video announcement”, but also “live”.
Question…I’d love to see what all you have loaded in propresenter! For instance, are the b-roll type videos already sized in ProPre, or are they a supersource? Any chance I could see a screenshot of the propresenter setup?
Supersource!
Thanks! I’d looked like from one angle of the ProPre screen that a couple videos were already sized smaller in ProPre, but I couldn’t tell! Any chance I could get connected to see that setup?
Love seeing the ipad 2 with the 30 pin on the cart. So many ipads out there that still work but can't load new apps.
Grinding with what we have.
WHOA. WILD BRADY SPOTTED OUT IN THE FIELD.
@@Churchfront they dragged me kicking and screaming out of my cave.
Brady, buddy, a couple of times it sounded like you were discounting the abilities of volunteers. I'm sure it wasn't your intent, but it's worth watching out for statements like "foolproof even for a volunteer..." ;) Great production, btw.
Live production isn’t my specialty. In this video, Justin is the expert. I’m the novice. *I* am the volunteer. I’m not attempting to discount the ability of anyone. But I also don’t want to downplay how much effort goes into making a system like this work. And how much more impressive it is that Justin has made it possible for anyone to run.
Also, you CAN do all that stuff (with the supersource) in ProPresenter. The problem is latency, but if it's from a different location, that's not an issue. Maybe I should do a tutorial on how.
Totally geeking out to all of your capabilities. - One thing that I struggle with jumped out at me though. That was when you used the term, "Auditorium" - I feel like we are always trying to balance, putting on a show, with being on holy ground, in a place of worship. - I guess that's why I use the term, Sanctuary instead. How do y'all balance the juxtaposition ?
I’d say I generally prefer the term sanctuary.
What's the link to the church?
Brady, question outside of this awesome information....behind you, is a large screen or board that says "A Place for You" what words are on the rest of the board?
Great question! That's the same messaging in different languages. We're a very multi-ethnic church so it's representative of our church's make up.
@@prochurchtools Love that! And it looks great! We had all the flags hanging up in our entry tower from all the counties represented by our church for a while. It was a cool representation of the different cultures within our church family.
Nice stuff.
Thanks!
@@prochurchtools You always got great stuff, and I just gotta keep up 😅
You mentioned in the video that the live announcements play after the 5 minute countdown. So if your service say starts at 11:00AM, you have the 5minute countdown run from 10:55AM to 11:00AM, then announcements from 11:00AM to 11:07AM then the Place for you Video from 11:07AM to 11:09AM then start worship at 11:09AM? What is the atmosphere like in the worship area during the announcements? Is it a mix of people listnening, walking in, and talking one another? Does the general attention of the room not happen until the beginning of worship?
Yeah, you've got it right in terms of sequencing. The announcements play in both the sanctuary and the lobby so they're audible and visible in both spots. In terms of the atmosphere, I'd say by the end of the announcements the sanctuary is quite full. At the beginning, it's a mix of people sitting and listening, others walking in and finding their seats, mingling and chatting.
@brad what church do you attend?? 😊
The philosophy here doesn't make any sense. Having those same people do announcements live on stage is more engaging for the audience, but yet its easier to keep time and make things polished with a pre-recorded and edited announcements video. So what are you doing here? Combining the worst of both worlds. The audience is less engaged having to watch a screen rather than see, hear, and feel the energy of a live person in the room and you don't get the benefits of polishing everything up in post. Everything you describe in the "Philosophy" segment can be directly applied to pre-recorded video announcements. And you tout the concept of having hosts off stage on video as "casual and more accessible" which is out of touch. In 2024, people are getting tired of screens. If they want to look at a screen for church they can watch the livestream. People crave and engage more with real, physical human communication. This isn't innovation, this a misguided attempt at something new that actually fails at providing real benefit to the congregation or those in production. Sure its cool that you were able to pull it off from a technical perspective, but this is a waste of time and resources. It's like when Malcolm from Jurassic Park said you "were so preoccupied with whether or not [you] could, [you] never stopped to think if you [should].
@@averysmith5246 We’ve done both pre-recorded video announcements and live announcements for years prior to this so we’re certainly aware of those options and their strengths and weaknesses.
@@prochurchtools How did you assess those strengths and weaknesses? Did you survey your congregation? Did you look at differences in engagement where there was an exact 1:1 equivalent in the message you were trying to bring to your congregation across the methods you used (pre-recorded, live on stage, or live video)? Name 2 ways this live video is better than a pre-recorded video in the lobby? Name 2 ways this live video is better than live on stage? As a Church AVL Director, I can't think of a single beneficial one to either of those and hate seeing church staff and volunteers waste time on things that don't truly have a positive impact on the congregation.
@prochurchtools is there two different computers running propresenter and switcher software in this setup? how is one streamdeck talking to propresenter and switcher? -thx in advance!
Just one computer and one switcher!
I need a whole video just about their PP and how they make those lower thirds and stream deck connections !
Dude for real. I'm trying to figure out if they're mixing a supersource on the atem, propresenter graphics, and then changing all the LT's and camera angles from the streamdeck. I didn't even know you could mix propresenter and a supersource at the same time so I'm trying to figure out how they did it. lol
@@MattieRamos facts bro ! Buddy was doin sorcery with that thing 😂😂
im confused, are we more concerned about video production, or reaching lost people?
I'd recommend you watch the segment of this video at 12:58 dedicated to the philosophy and mission behind why we do these.
Really? @redemptionbaseshop I’m sure the pastor and church is very much on mission. This is simply a tool they use to get information out to their congregation. Some use bulletins, others use video. If you don’t like the way they do things, you don’t have to do this yourself (or comment for that matter)
But...what's the point? How does this achieve the Great Commission?
1. Church’s have programming for the purpose of spiritual formation.
2. People need to know about that programming.
3. Announcements make people aware of the programming so they can get involved.
@@prochurchtools Go deeper my friend. I firmly believe that our ecclesiology has failed in the west. In particular, how we treat Spiritual Formation and discipleship as something that needs "programmed."
While that can help scratch the surface, does it actually cultivate real spiritual transformation?
Think about the finances involved. Does our financial commitment to programming truly create life change? Sure, we can get people to raise their hands at then end of a message. We can even get people to get dunked in an inflatable pool. But does our spending on "stuff" create and expand church or simply expand our brand of church (Meaning...our tiny kingdoms that we call church)?
Sure, it is good to allow people to be informed of happenings at the church. That's fine. But this only supposes that Sunday *IS* church. Has very little focus on the true nature of what church is (hence why our ecclesiology needs dismantled).
I'm not opposed to your brand of fancy church. I find that it does very little, regardless of programming, to actually create sheep rather than goats.
While some don't see it directly affect in the Great Commission part, I think all these media, broadcast, tech serves some purpose. I think of it as a way for people who has talents in these tech and broadcast to serve and take part in the ministry, and helping to bring the message across to those who are not physically at the church.
@@JasonPangDotCom But this also assumes that our talents must be geared towards a Sunday program and not the way of life we live. It also goes to point out our understanding of "service" as our activity in contribution to an organization rather than our contribution to the proclamation of the Gospel outside the 4 walls of the Gathered saints.
Good grief