The Russians are here to stay forever because after the US and NATO involvement the Russia has no choice but to take over the Entire Ukraine because any untaken territory becomes NATO territory. Zelensky and his supporters can not provide safety and security for the people of Ukraine. Only Russia or NATO can.
Hard to imagine that the older civilians living in these areas grew up in a hotspot of WW2 but are now again in the hotspot of the largest war in Europe after WW2.
@@mariasirona1622 I don't agree. I don't want to downplay the genocidal character and atrocities commited in the Yugoslavian wars but despite the fog of war it is likely that the amount of casualties and refugees of the 2022 Ukraine war is already exceeding the number of all Yugoslavian wars combined. This shows us how bloody the Ukrainian war actually is.
Interesting that you chose a developed region in the world and the importance in history it has had in modern conflicts. I don’t think something like this has been done before, most analyses are focused on states or wars.
You are actually right. I bet that even WW3 will have battles there and even after or before even when all of us in the world who is alive won't exist i am 100% that there will be battle in the Donbas. Mark my words.
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
Maybe if he didn’t upload once every blue moon he would have more subscribers but I do understand it takes time unlike over simplified where they just purposely do nothing for large periods of time.
It was Manstein's brilliant counter-stroke from late February to mid March that saved the Southern Front from total collapse. He reacted with a speed and boldness that completely blindsided the Soviet Army and regained the initiative. My great uncle fought in the Third Battle of Kharkov during that counter-offensive as a panzergrenadier in 2nd SS Panzer, and his diary that survived the war describes a truly remarkable battle for the city. It was desperate, ferocious, and exhausted his division, but they were successful in driving the Soviets out of the city and pushing some distance eastwards after their victory there. I believe that he could sense the futility of their efforts though even in early 1943, before Germany's position was truly hopeless, because he wrote in an addition to a March 19th entry that they had achieved " victory with fleeting chance of ultimately decisive results".
@@jebbroham1776 wow that's super cool you should maybe post some of that diary in a video. Perhaps with you or someone else reading it and narrating. It sounds like a unique look into an intriguing, but not often explored, part of the war. Most historians like to say the outcome was not in doubt by then anymore. Its interesting to know that troops, even elite like 2nd SS Panzer, could see the writing on the wall.
you also don't hear much about the recent Donbas conflict in late February 2022 at the start of SMO from the western media. the news was presented as if Putin decided to invade Ukraine out of the blue, not because Donetsk and Luhansk needed Russia's help to deal with the imminent Ukrainian threat. no mention that Kiev refused to ratify the Minsk 2 agreement and instead had build up its military strength to crush the separatists.
@@jebbroham1776 what a great hero your grandfaSer was, how jolly to hear his exploits of usurping another country. How jolly the women and children must have been. Oh dear, how nice of this Manstein to occupy a country even longer. OH DEAR what could've been, how much more rape and burning and stealing did your lovely SS division do to Ukraine? ( Da isser wieder, der häßliche Deutsche, erzählt freudig vom Morden seines Großpapas)
Interestingly, we can see similarities in the Ukrainian and Russian approach in the sense that they both attempted big encirclements at first(Sieverodonetsk for Russia, the border of the Donbas for Ukraine) and eventually drew them down to be smaller and smaller in scale. In both cases, the side that was at a disadvantage did this.
Well, most of the generals of Ukraine and russia were taught at soviet military academies. Considering, that in 2014 both sides didn`t have enough war experience and didn`t move from soviet-style doctrines, they fought with the same base knowledge. Ukraine and russia had to adapt if they wanted to win. Sadly for russians, their corrupted military couldn`t be easily reformed. Military top command didn`t feel the need for new tactics or new methods in warfare(which they badly needed, since small usage of recoinassance drones and poor artillery coordination made russian army much vulnerable to professional opponent) and supporters for the reforms were in the minority. Also, big difference made NATO instructors, which were working with UAF command after 2014. Their knowledge of modern warfare allowed Ukraine to modernise their army much faster and better
@@mitchell1489 The point is different, when the Ukrainian troops tried to take control of the border - they came out of practical considerations and from the realities that were (this was not a mistake) :1 - Russia began brazenly from its territory to fire at Ukrainian troops along the border with artillery and rocket artillery 2 - Russia sent a contingent of troops to the rear of the Ukrainian. troops - without identification marks. That is, Ukraine did not try to "swallow" more than it could. It's just that Russia went to extreme measures, otherwise its project of puppet republics would have collapsed
I have watched a lot of videos about the donbas in 2014-2015, this is the first vid I've seen that doesn't misrepresent what happened. Especially the part of the Ilovaisk tragedy, you don't say russia definitely did or did not send their troops. Just that it is believed so, I really appreciate that. Also the fact that you showed the raids that some ukrainian units made through the lines from south to north is amazing! Great work! Looking forward to the next one :)
Why is pretending Moscow maybe didn't send troops a good thing? It is like saying "maybe the easter bunny is real". Sure, it spares the feeling of easter bunny believers, but...
@@adamnevraumont4027 It is because there is so much BS from russian trolls. That if we state that it happened 100% (which I personally think) they will come with "mUh CaPtUrEd EqUiPmEnT". Then the discussion will become very muddled which is the exact opposite of what the comment section under such a video should be (imo). Besides, it doesn't matter who operated the vehicles. If russia supplied them that says enough.
@@adamnevraumont4027 because there is still a difference between Russia’s limited intervention at the time and current full confrontation. The point is not that whether Russia sent regular troops or manpower in 2014. There is almost no doubt about that. Even Russia back then admitted the existence of ‘volunteers’. However, they were still reinforcements in their extent. Otherwise, Ukraine would have lost all of the Donbas in 2014. Pro-Ukrainian opinions tend to overemphasise Russia’s role at the expense of pro-Russian separatists. It’s more comfortable to subscribe to a narrative of self-defence against an external aggressor than being torn by the idea that Ukraine was suppressing an independence movement. But the reality is in-between. I would rather prefer the framing used in this video than those popular framings that always prefer narrative orientated designations to nuances
@@CDang-ms6dc I agree with you, but to be fair the 'little green men' that popped up in crimea and later in donbas were most likely russian or russian trained. So one can say with some certainty that it wasn't a natural internal conflict in ukraine.
Urban warfare is always the most difficult terrain to fight in. It takes away many advantages an attacker might have and gives them to the defender. The urban environment is multi-demensional, with rooftops, cellars, and tight streets creating many different types of killing zones. I can see why this area of Ukraine is so difficult to overcome.
Ну это просто на время задерживает русскую армию, пока они не снесут полностью город ракетами и артиллерией, как было с тем же Северодонецком, Азовсталью, Мариуполем, или как сейчас происходит с Бахмутом, город тупо сносят
Having followed all events since 24/2, this is the first time I have an understanding of what happened 2014-15. Beautiful transition to the VPN commercial, maybe I need that😬
@@eliasziad7864 Ok. Let Russia fulfill its assumption to conquer Ukraine (after all, someone else has already written that it does not need land, because it has a lot of it)
Great video but your views might be lower on this one because you decided to upload it on Christmas eve. Still you Perun and Anders Puck Nielson are the three best youtubers for Ukraine related content in my opinion.
@@Eastory I think it’s holidays. You make exceptional videos and I think it stands on its own but on Christmas/Christmas eve people aren’t online and then it gets buried in people’s feeds. Your Ukraine videos cover an important niche that other youtubers don’t so I hope you keep making them.
@@Eastory i think what it has more to do with is that youtube is tailored towards regular uploaders. Changing a channels name or having a gap in uploads is pretty bad in terms of how much the site recommends your new videos to new or even previous viewers. i think looking to set up some additional exposure by some means might help a lot to get back into the algorithm with new uploads. Maybe Artur can give a shout out, he might be interested.
@@danil6859 Kharkiv - Ukrainian city, Ukrainian name. We don`t say "Bilhorod" instead, we say Belgorod, becasue it`s russian. It`s just transliteration, nothing more.
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
Allright, good analysis. Thank you. FEB 1943 Well, as I view it, the symptomatic problem about the 1943 Red Army offensive, is first and foremost its weak northwestern flank. However, its fundamental, problem, is its attempt, to develop too many operations at the same time. Just as it attempted to do, this very year, in FEB 2022. Simply put; too much divergence. No real convergence. In both cases, Moscow created complexity, instead of simplicity, for its troops. Irresponsible leadership. FEB - JUNE 2014 It's partly the same problem with the Ukrainian army, in 2014. It too had too many diverging operations. It too, wanted to do too many different things, at the same time. This lack of convergence is the real creator of the border unit crisis. Not the Russian weapons.
In 2014 russians were not suplying the separatists with onely weapons, also many actual russian soilders were sent there. Otherwise the separatists would stand no chance
It's less about the natural geography of the region and more the large amount of artificial obstacles created by the urban development in the region. Even then, the relatively flat steppes pose a problem if you don't have proper air supremacy, since the enemy has an easier time spotting your troops and attacking with anything it has.
Urban areas are literal concrete jungles, offering the perfect cover and fortifications for troops, while also offering unparalleled mobility due to the infrastructure, should the area be under one side's full control. In this region the steppe has been paved over and urban areas dominate the landscape. You cant advance through an area when there could be an entire brigade hiding in a single building a block away which could harass your lines and potentially cut you off. Armies need to clear out such threats before advancing, slowing them down, giving their enemies time to regroup and to setup more fortification
To add to what others have said Eastern European cities are coincidentally designed so as to basically be fortresses for modern warfare. Large concrete apartment structures mean a potential ambush can come from any level and the defender of the city will always have the high ground. It also means clearing large buildings room by room and fighting up narrow stair cases. Concrete buildings also mean that simply spraying the structure with fire from outside won't necessarily kill the defenders and even if the building is destroyed fighting through a maze of rubble and ruined buildings is sometimes even harder. If you want to look at other examples of how difficult urban warfare is look at the battle of Mosul, Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozny or the siege of Sarajevo.
Why did Germans fail? Because they didn't use AtlasVPN! Really nice way of putting the ad into the video! Thanks for educatinge and other watchers! Hope to see a finish of wars on Donbass industrial area this year.
A fun fact about the troops in Ilovaisk. When they were encircled they were told to surrender their weapons and they would be granted a corridor to leave. Upon doing so the Russians opened fire on the now defenseless soldiers and killed most of them in the corridor.
Important point: 12:38 claims that ceasefire was signed AFTER Russians pushed Ukraine from Debaltseve. In fact, Minsk agreements were signed several days before that, but Russia claimed it could not stop separatists from attacking Debaltseve. So they broke those infamous "agreements" back in 2015.
I feel the main issue with your analysis is not mentioning numbers, maybe due to unavailability or vague estimates. A constant reminder of "X outnumbered Y" seems very important as the difference between approaches fails or works. If the enemy cant man the cities and defend its surroundings, they obviously lose, from frontal attack on cities, or from outflanking.
The major Donbas defenses will be under immense pressure after the Russians finish grinding on the remaining trenches and Ukrainian positions. Bakhmut will force the Ukrainian dominos to fall.
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
Мне тоже интересно откуда он берëт информацию. На карте показывает что Славянск был окружëн, хотя в реальности за город шли тяжелейшие бои и в итоге восставшие отступили. Зато когда украинские силы были окружены в Дебальцево, он показывает что они спокойно отступили, замалчивая о потери всей техники
@@Chapaev-fu5un В Дебальцево не було оточення. Було 118 полонених, але основна частина змогла безпечно відійти з міста. Це була доволі успішна операція з відходу з напівоточеного міста, враховуючи попередні поразки наприкінці 2014 та чисельну перевагу з боку ЗС рф(2,5-8тис. бійців ЗСУ проти 15-17тис.). Де ви побачили "потери всей техники" - гадки не маю. За словами ГШ ЗСУ, було втрачено до 30% військового майна, загинуло приблизно 205 бійців ЗСУ з схожими цифрами з боку сепаратистів(слова керівництва росії та сепаратистів складно врахувати через їхню абсурдність, загибель 3000 бійців не могла б не призвести до колапсу фронту). Слов'янськ був частково оточений, сепаратисти встигли відійти з міста. Мала місце слабка координація між частинами ЗСУ, що і дозволило їм втекти в Донецьк. Автор доволі непогано все описав
Amazing production, information, and narration as always! However, you really need a good abbreviation for "Donbass Industrial Area", it get's a little tiring hearing it over and over.
Hey, another fantastic video from Eastory, eh? Anyways, I'd like to request a video on the North African campaign, as I love having some Rommel action!
Well I hope you have had a chance to watch SAS Rouge Heroes on Prime. It moves a bit slow, building characters but a good period piece. Fiction meets truth.
I love your videos but what got me to subscribe was the video on Estonia hopefully you can do more videos on those kinda things because this well I got 30 other videos to watch on ukraine already
After watching this series it's making me wonder if this current Russian strategy of a broad front attack is the correct solution. Rather than big thrusts and attempts at encirclement that carry a high risk of getting bogged down and being cut-off, you aim to winkle the enemy out of its positions across a broad front in an attempt to collapse section of the front to force the enemy to withdraw. This is a war of supply lines and indirect fire, you try to salami slice the front. If you look at the position of the front lines in the donbass they have shown a slow steady progress, I remember people joking that it could take years to take the donbass, it looks like they could be right.
If the Russian leadership had not been stupid from the very beginning of the war, and had begun to fight seriously, then it would have been possible to take the Donbass even in the summer. It was necessary to mobilize in the spring, destroy the bridges on the Dnieper River in order to disrupt the supply, and so on. However, in the summer, as a result of the Ukrainian mobilization, the ratio of forces in the infantry was 3 to 1, and in September it reached 5 to 1. In such conditions, take the industrial zone Donbass is impossible in principle. Infantry can defend in cities for a very long time.
Being a Russian speaker in UA doesn't meam someone is Ru supporter. Many Russian speakers in UA are Ukrainian 'nationalists'. 'Natzists' in Azov batalion speak Russian. Russisn speakers in UA can be divided into 3 groups: pro UA, pro Ru and "local Soviets' for whom the collapse of the USSR was a catastrophe. This third group live mostly i Luhansk and Donetsk regions.
It definitely won’t be easy for Ukraine to take back the entire Donbas region. Encircling it probably isn’t viable. Probably the best way to take it militarily from how I see it is to pull a similar move the Soviets pulled in 1943 by drawing away enemy units from the area. One way I could see this happening is if Ukraine cuts off the Crimean land bridge, which would force Putin to make a choice of what he wants to keep more… the Donbas region, or Crimea.
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
TL;DR: Not correct to say that there was separatist in the Donbas region. And here is why: 1. russian-speaker of most of Ukraine was the result of the planned russification of Ukrainians and minor communities. 2. On Donbas was no separatist before russia sent GRU under colonel Girkin/Strelkov. 2.1. Donbas was controlled by the Party of Regions from ~2000 up to 2014, including media and others. They built the idea of "Donbas as a special region" to gain more support and political power to grub more money. Real "separatist" from folks who lived in Donbas in 2014 was no more than exists right now in East Germany. By the way, hello from Kyiv, also from folks that lived in Donbas before 2014.
Lack of ammunition and vehicles wasn’t the only problem for LDNR forces and certainly wasn’t the worst of them all. In 2014 they were a bunch of militia units with no centralised command or strategy and literal warlords in some sectors of the front. Only in the battle for Debaltsevo they fought like an actual army.
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
"If there is no Ukrainian strong army, there will be no Ukraine, and that will be the case when everyone will understand... it's not the war in Ukraine, it's the war in Europe. We are defending our country, our land. We are not attacking anyone, because that is immoral" --Volodymyr Zelensky
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
"Ukraine reminds me of an actress in German adult movies. Meaning that it's ready to receive in any amount from any side." - Vladimir Zelensky Source: th-cam.com/video/IAylBO5NkiQ/w-d-xo.html
8:20 - mistake all area from the east of line Odessa - Sumi was always Russian-speaking territory from Ekaterina II times. later - there was no open conflict till 2022 And why does the author use "separatists" term, but nor "rebels"? PS. one funny fact: Ukraine and Russia still didn't declare war each to other. Russia has Special Operation, Ukraine - Anti Terrorist Operation
Well, as far as I know, that's because "rebels" are somewhat more derogative than "separatists", and such naming is also less accurate when we are trying to indicate the intentions of such forces.
Really good as usual. But didn't the separatists only have between 1500-3000 men in the first 4 months of the 2014 war in Donbass only being able to mass recruit and press-gang in the summer? How could they hold all the Donbass against 60,000 Ukrainian troops even with loads of Russian equipment? Isn't it clear that Russia sent metric loads of "off-duty" troops to the Donbass during this period to counter the Ukrainians and when this failed to be enough, they sent entire regular formations of 10s of 1000s of men?
@@Eastory Of course man, and keep doing what you are doing. These are probably the best video/documentaries I have seen for visualising a war operationally. And there are a lot of good ones out there now a days. But I think easily the best. You have a very good grasp and explanation of this stuff.
As always, interesting videos on specific subject of particular geographic region of Donets Basin (bite me, Russo-Ukrainian naming conflict dumbarses). And it was an interesting perspective on the 2014 conflict review, albeit some folks down here are arguing about some of details. I wonder, though, what were the sources you used when making this video? Or, at least, what kind of sources did you use? It would be great if you shared such information with viewers.
I attempted to find a good source and asked people around on TH-cam and Reddit, but it seems that this source does not exist. I ended up using many different Wikipedia articles to put the video together.
@@Eastory I see. Thank you for reply. Keep going with new interesting videos :) Perhaps, you would like to add the list of articles used in the video description, so people would be acknowledged with it and could check that information in more details themselves.
@@Eastory Wikipedia used to have good chronology on this subject before february, now it is replaced by narratives. There is also a good book "85 Days in Slavyansk", or pro-ucrainian sources could be tones of info from ucrainian forums with participants or interviews
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A private Christmas it shall be. I'm stuck alone at home due to corona, but at least this video cheered me up a bit.
Good one! Sad about your situation, though.
@@Eastory this is the best christmas gift
@@Eastory wow
The Russians are here to stay forever because after the US and NATO involvement the Russia has no choice but to take over the Entire Ukraine because any untaken territory becomes NATO territory. Zelensky and his supporters can not provide safety and security for the people of Ukraine. Only Russia or NATO can.
Hard to imagine that the older civilians living in these areas grew up in a hotspot of WW2 but are now again in the hotspot of the largest war in Europe after WW2.
*after Yugoslavia
@@mariasirona1622 I don't agree. I don't want to downplay the genocidal character and atrocities commited in the Yugoslavian wars but despite the fog of war it is likely that the amount of casualties and refugees of the 2022 Ukraine war is already exceeding the number of all Yugoslavian wars combined. This shows us how bloody the Ukrainian war actually is.
I imagine if there was another war in the US the battlefields of the civil war might get revisited, terrain doesn't change.
@@Empobaer plus Yugoslavia didn't fight a nuclear superpower
@@mariasirona1622 Yugoslavia was smaller
Interesting that you chose a developed region in the world and the importance in history it has had in modern conflicts. I don’t think something like this has been done before, most analyses are focused on states or wars.
I dont think any other Area was so important in so many Conflicts.
You are actually right. I bet that even WW3 will have battles there and even after or before even when all of us in the world who is alive won't exist i am 100% that there will be battle in the Donbas. Mark my words.
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
@@VovkinaFaso lol, you just like a bot. Just copy and paste
@@silentworkhorse4002 no. you are the lol, you just like a bot.
We have to admit he never disappoints us with his contents
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
@@VovkinaFaso yeah
agreed ❤
Maybe if he didn’t upload once every blue moon he would have more subscribers but I do understand it takes time unlike over simplified where they just purposely do nothing for large periods of time.
@@VovkinaFaso Keep complaining vatnik
You don't hear too much about the February battles in 1943. Very crucial battles.
The outcome of the war on the Eastern Front was decided after Operation Uranus
It was Manstein's brilliant counter-stroke from late February to mid March that saved the Southern Front from total collapse. He reacted with a speed and boldness that completely blindsided the Soviet Army and regained the initiative. My great uncle fought in the Third Battle of Kharkov during that counter-offensive as a panzergrenadier in 2nd SS Panzer, and his diary that survived the war describes a truly remarkable battle for the city. It was desperate, ferocious, and exhausted his division, but they were successful in driving the Soviets out of the city and pushing some distance eastwards after their victory there. I believe that he could sense the futility of their efforts though even in early 1943, before Germany's position was truly hopeless, because he wrote in an addition to a March 19th entry that they had achieved " victory with fleeting chance of ultimately decisive results".
@@jebbroham1776 wow that's super cool you should maybe post some of that diary in a video. Perhaps with you or someone else reading it and narrating. It sounds like a unique look into an intriguing, but not often explored, part of the war.
Most historians like to say the outcome was not in doubt by then anymore. Its interesting to know that troops, even elite like 2nd SS Panzer, could see the writing on the wall.
you also don't hear much about the recent Donbas conflict in late February 2022 at the start of SMO from the western media. the news was presented as if Putin decided to invade Ukraine out of the blue, not because Donetsk and Luhansk needed Russia's help to deal with the imminent Ukrainian threat. no mention that Kiev refused to ratify the Minsk 2 agreement and instead had build up its military strength to crush the separatists.
@@jebbroham1776 what a great hero your grandfaSer was, how jolly to hear his exploits of usurping another country. How jolly the women and children must have been. Oh dear, how nice of this Manstein to occupy a country even longer. OH DEAR what could've been, how much more rape and burning and stealing did your lovely SS division do to Ukraine? ( Da isser wieder, der häßliche Deutsche, erzählt freudig vom Morden seines Großpapas)
Finally someone explaining 2014 war on map :D Thank you Eastory I was waiting for it a long time
One of the best analyses on youtube! thanks!
Its the best operational analisis, peruns strategic analisis can not be matched, and reporting from Ukraina is best at tacticals situations.
Eastory never disappoints.
I never get bogged down by watching your content - it’s just perfect!
Another banger video. Love how intricate you animate the different units on the map, it's gotta be hella time consuming
Loving these videos! Waiting eagerly for the next one!
Interestingly, we can see similarities in the Ukrainian and Russian approach in the sense that they both attempted big encirclements at first(Sieverodonetsk for Russia, the border of the Donbas for Ukraine) and eventually drew them down to be smaller and smaller in scale. In both cases, the side that was at a disadvantage did this.
I was thinking the same.
@@Eastory thanks for replying to let me know that, I can't wait to see your analysis in the next video, this one was really good.
Well, most of the generals of Ukraine and russia were taught at soviet military academies. Considering, that in 2014 both sides didn`t have enough war experience and didn`t move from soviet-style doctrines, they fought with the same base knowledge. Ukraine and russia had to adapt if they wanted to win. Sadly for russians, their corrupted military couldn`t be easily reformed. Military top command didn`t feel the need for new tactics or new methods in warfare(which they badly needed, since small usage of recoinassance drones and poor artillery coordination made russian army much vulnerable to professional opponent) and supporters for the reforms were in the minority.
Also, big difference made NATO instructors, which were working with UAF command after 2014. Their knowledge of modern warfare allowed Ukraine to modernise their army much faster and better
lol it’s a classic tactic for almost all wars
@@mitchell1489 The point is different, when the Ukrainian troops tried to take control of the border - they came out of practical considerations and from the realities that were (this was not a mistake)
:1 - Russia began brazenly from its territory to fire at Ukrainian troops along the border with artillery and rocket artillery
2 - Russia sent a contingent of troops to the rear of the Ukrainian. troops - without identification marks.
That is, Ukraine did not try to "swallow" more than it could. It's just that Russia went to extreme measures, otherwise its project of puppet republics would have collapsed
Such amazing christmass gift thanks Eastory
My pleasure!
I have watched a lot of videos about the donbas in 2014-2015, this is the first vid I've seen that doesn't misrepresent what happened.
Especially the part of the Ilovaisk tragedy, you don't say russia definitely did or did not send their troops. Just that it is believed so, I really appreciate that.
Also the fact that you showed the raids that some ukrainian units made through the lines from south to north is amazing!
Great work! Looking forward to the next one :)
Why is pretending Moscow maybe didn't send troops a good thing?
It is like saying "maybe the easter bunny is real". Sure, it spares the feeling of easter bunny believers, but...
@@adamnevraumont4027 It is because there is so much BS from russian trolls. That if we state that it happened 100% (which I personally think) they will come with "mUh CaPtUrEd EqUiPmEnT". Then the discussion will become very muddled which is the exact opposite of what the comment section under such a video should be (imo).
Besides, it doesn't matter who operated the vehicles. If russia supplied them that says enough.
@@adamnevraumont4027 because there is still a difference between Russia’s limited intervention at the time and current full confrontation. The point is not that whether Russia sent regular troops or manpower in 2014. There is almost no doubt about that. Even Russia back then admitted the existence of ‘volunteers’. However, they were still reinforcements in their extent. Otherwise, Ukraine would have lost all of the Donbas in 2014. Pro-Ukrainian opinions tend to overemphasise Russia’s role at the expense of pro-Russian separatists. It’s more comfortable to subscribe to a narrative of self-defence against an external aggressor than being torn by the idea that Ukraine was suppressing an independence movement. But the reality is in-between. I would rather prefer the framing used in this video than those popular framings that always prefer narrative orientated designations to nuances
@@BigFormula93 yea fair enough, I just don't want to give them any chance of interaction.
@@CDang-ms6dc I agree with you, but to be fair the 'little green men' that popped up in crimea and later in donbas were most likely russian or russian trained. So one can say with some certainty that it wasn't a natural internal conflict in ukraine.
i am just really excited when u upload a new video. Does it take long to make a single one?
Yes, it usually takes around a month
Urban warfare is always the most difficult terrain to fight in. It takes away many advantages an attacker might have and gives them to the defender. The urban environment is multi-demensional, with rooftops, cellars, and tight streets creating many different types of killing zones. I can see why this area of Ukraine is so difficult to overcome.
Ну это просто на время задерживает русскую армию, пока они не снесут полностью город ракетами и артиллерией, как было с тем же Северодонецком, Азовсталью, Мариуполем, или как сейчас происходит с Бахмутом, город тупо сносят
@user-kn4yj8hm9h ну я про это и говорю
I really value your videos and once again I am happy to enjoy this, on Christmas no less! You also have the best ad reads
He's back the legend itself
Love to see more vids on the modern Ukraine war form the 2014 battles to 2022.
Great video. So many puzzle pieces fall into place when knowing the back story. Thanks… love your videos 👍
Happy Christmas! What a treat! Always excellent. Cheers from Tennessee
Having followed all events since 24/2, this is the first time I have an understanding of what happened 2014-15. Beautiful transition to the VPN commercial, maybe I need that😬
Well, it goes back to 2013 really.
@@Franfran2424 Yeah , start of the Maidan resulting in the puppet Yanukovych fleeing to his master in Russia.
Excellent content, fascinating and topical.
Honestly the best channel on youtube
The year is 2085. The world still waits for a bad Eastory video
Great job. Greetings from Poland !
Get ready for the draft next year.
@@eliasziad7864 Ok. Let Russia fulfill its assumption to conquer Ukraine (after all, someone else has already written that it does not need land, because it has a lot of it)
@@Strusprawa Ik.
@@eliasziad7864 In ma family is a lot of soldiers. Grandfather beat Germans from Lenino to Kolobrzeg etc.
@@eliasziad7864 what? Kaliningrad is going back to Macierz?
Great video but your views might be lower on this one because you decided to upload it on Christmas eve. Still you Perun and Anders Puck Nielson are the three best youtubers for Ukraine related content in my opinion.
This is a dilemma for me. Is it holidays or are people tired of Ukraine videos on this channel?
@@Eastory I think it’s holidays. You make exceptional videos and I think it stands on its own but on Christmas/Christmas eve people aren’t online and then it gets buried in people’s feeds. Your Ukraine videos cover an important niche that other youtubers don’t so I hope you keep making them.
@@Eastory i think what it has more to do with is that youtube is tailored towards regular uploaders. Changing a channels name or having a gap in uploads is pretty bad in terms of how much the site recommends your new videos to new or even previous viewers. i think looking to set up some additional exposure by some means might help a lot to get back into the algorithm with new uploads. Maybe Artur can give a shout out, he might be interested.
@@Eastory i completely missed the upload due to holidays, but am now catching up
Great video!
Nice as always!!
I would like such a video analysis of the First and Second Chechen wars. Thank you!
Hello Im from KHARKIV, nice video! Thanks! Go next video! YNWA 🇺🇦
Правильно KHARKOV
@@danil6859 Kharkiv - Ukrainian city, Ukrainian name. We don`t say "Bilhorod" instead, we say Belgorod, becasue it`s russian. It`s just transliteration, nothing more.
Your videos are so well made new subscriber
Thanks for the video, great work
You just made my Christmas happy Christmas from poland
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
@@VovkinaFaso i don't care
That’s gotta be the best ad transition I’ve heard
you achieved a rare thing: a fun ad
ps. the content's great too
Excellent, keep making these videos
Allright, good analysis. Thank you.
FEB 1943
Well, as I view it, the symptomatic problem about the 1943 Red Army offensive, is first and foremost its weak northwestern flank. However, its fundamental, problem, is its attempt, to develop too many operations at the same time. Just as it attempted to do, this very year, in FEB 2022. Simply put; too much divergence. No real convergence. In both cases, Moscow created complexity, instead of simplicity, for its troops. Irresponsible leadership.
FEB - JUNE 2014
It's partly the same problem with the Ukrainian army, in 2014. It too had too many diverging operations. It too, wanted to do too many different things, at the same time. This lack of convergence is the real creator of the border unit crisis. Not the Russian weapons.
Can you please make the third video of Donbas as soon as possible
Babe wake up new eastory upload
In 2014 russians were not suplying the separatists with onely weapons, also many actual russian soilders were sent there. Otherwise the separatists would stand no chance
That add transition was smooth, big up.
This move to advert was so smooth
Great content.
Could you explain the specific terrain features that hinder advance through Donbas. Usually the steppe is considered good for advance
It's less about the natural geography of the region and more the large amount of artificial obstacles created by the urban development in the region. Even then, the relatively flat steppes pose a problem if you don't have proper air supremacy, since the enemy has an easier time spotting your troops and attacking with anything it has.
Urban areas are literal concrete jungles, offering the perfect cover and fortifications for troops, while also offering unparalleled mobility due to the infrastructure, should the area be under one side's full control. In this region the steppe has been paved over and urban areas dominate the landscape. You cant advance through an area when there could be an entire brigade hiding in a single building a block away which could harass your lines and potentially cut you off. Armies need to clear out such threats before advancing, slowing them down, giving their enemies time to regroup and to setup more fortification
To add to what others have said Eastern European cities are coincidentally designed so as to basically be fortresses for modern warfare. Large concrete apartment structures mean a potential ambush can come from any level and the defender of the city will always have the high ground. It also means clearing large buildings room by room and fighting up narrow stair cases. Concrete buildings also mean that simply spraying the structure with fire from outside won't necessarily kill the defenders and even if the building is destroyed fighting through a maze of rubble and ruined buildings is sometimes even harder. If you want to look at other examples of how difficult urban warfare is look at the battle of Mosul, Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozny or the siege of Sarajevo.
Merry Christmas!
Those Ukraine series are very good, but when are you going to make detailed videos about operation Bagration, Kursk,etc?
Another Perfect video!
Why did Germans fail? Because they didn't use AtlasVPN! Really nice way of putting the ad into the video!
Thanks for educatinge and other watchers! Hope to see a finish of wars on Donbass industrial area this year.
A fun fact about the troops in Ilovaisk. When they were encircled they were told to surrender their weapons and they would be granted a corridor to leave. Upon doing so the Russians opened fire on the now defenseless soldiers and killed most of them in the corridor.
"Fun" fact that we remember very well.
Rule number 1 on the First Page of the First Book on living in Eastern Europe: Never trust the word of a Russian
@@bogdax they made a movie about it right?
Looking forward for new video
Important point: 12:38 claims that ceasefire was signed AFTER Russians pushed Ukraine from Debaltseve. In fact, Minsk agreements were signed several days before that, but Russia claimed it could not stop separatists from attacking Debaltseve. So they broke those infamous "agreements" back in 2015.
I feel the main issue with your analysis is not mentioning numbers, maybe due to unavailability or vague estimates. A constant reminder of "X outnumbered Y" seems very important as the difference between approaches fails or works.
If the enemy cant man the cities and defend its surroundings, they obviously lose, from frontal attack on cities, or from outflanking.
0:33-0:39 "It's not a cursed, but terrain"
Well you're just describing the word "cursed" in a fancy way
Love the content! Would you consider doing some victorian era videos?
Very interesting... I don't see any way of either side encircling the Donbas in present day, I think this war might last 5+ more years.
I agree. It seems that this is the reason why there is talk of Ukraine going after Crimea.
The major Donbas defenses will be under immense pressure after the Russians finish grinding on the remaining trenches and Ukrainian positions. Bakhmut will force the Ukrainian dominos to fall.
@@sum_ergo_cogito monke analysis
@@sum_ergo_cogito copium
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
Great video as always. And I will give Atlas VPN a try as soon as I'm released from my unwanted renewal with those thieves of NordVPN.
What sources do you use when you make these videos? It looks you use very in depth books so I am curious about them.
Мне тоже интересно откуда он берëт информацию. На карте показывает что Славянск был окружëн, хотя в реальности за город шли тяжелейшие бои и в итоге восставшие отступили. Зато когда украинские силы были окружены в Дебальцево, он показывает что они спокойно отступили, замалчивая о потери всей техники
@@Chapaev-fu5un В Дебальцево не було оточення. Було 118 полонених, але основна частина змогла безпечно відійти з міста. Це була доволі успішна операція з відходу з напівоточеного міста, враховуючи попередні поразки наприкінці 2014 та чисельну перевагу з боку ЗС рф(2,5-8тис. бійців ЗСУ проти 15-17тис.). Де ви побачили "потери всей техники" - гадки не маю. За словами ГШ ЗСУ, було втрачено до 30% військового майна, загинуло приблизно 205 бійців ЗСУ з схожими цифрами з боку сепаратистів(слова керівництва росії та сепаратистів складно врахувати через їхню абсурдність, загибель 3000 бійців не могла б не призвести до колапсу фронту). Слов'янськ був частково оточений, сепаратисти встигли відійти з міста. Мала місце слабка координація між частинами ЗСУ, що і дозволило їм втекти в Донецьк. Автор доволі непогано все описав
@@mitchell1489 Що йому там пояснювати коли воно називає гібридні війська "васставшими"
Amazing production, information, and narration as always! However, you really need a good abbreviation for "Donbass Industrial Area", it get's a little tiring hearing it over and over.
Merry Christmas
Hey, another fantastic video from Eastory, eh? Anyways, I'd like to request a video on the North African campaign, as I love having some Rommel action!
Well I hope you have had a chance to watch SAS Rouge Heroes on Prime. It moves a bit slow, building characters but a good period piece. Fiction meets truth.
Can't wait for the new video!
well made video!
Nice video
Good video
GJ. Very clear.
Im living there, near Pokrovsk. Nice video!
I love your videos but what got me to subscribe was the video on Estonia hopefully you can do more videos on those kinda things because this well I got 30 other videos to watch on ukraine already
After watching this series it's making me wonder if this current Russian strategy of a broad front attack is the correct solution. Rather than big thrusts and attempts at encirclement that carry a high risk of getting bogged down and being cut-off, you aim to winkle the enemy out of its positions across a broad front in an attempt to collapse section of the front to force the enemy to withdraw. This is a war of supply lines and indirect fire, you try to salami slice the front. If you look at the position of the front lines in the donbass they have shown a slow steady progress, I remember people joking that it could take years to take the donbass, it looks like they could be right.
If the Russian leadership had not been stupid from the very beginning of the war, and had begun to fight seriously, then it would have been possible to take the Donbass even in the summer. It was necessary to mobilize in the spring, destroy the bridges on the Dnieper River in order to disrupt the supply, and so on. However, in the summer, as a result of the Ukrainian mobilization, the ratio of forces in the infantry was 3 to 1, and in September it reached 5 to 1. In such conditions, take the industrial zone Donbass is impossible in principle. Infantry can defend in cities for a very long time.
@@ArchivatorRUS It is not impossible especially if you have artillery advantage. It will just take a lot of time
@@ihatesovietderp2268 but the ukrainian supplies still have to be attcked but thats what rarely is done so far
putler's terrorussia = n@zıs Germany
@@wladjarosz345 really
It's hard to fathom that Bakhmut would be a frontline city again. Crazy how history repeats itself.
I’m sure the new generation of Ukrainian commanders have learned well.
They didnt.
Being a Russian speaker in UA doesn't meam someone is Ru supporter. Many Russian speakers in UA are Ukrainian 'nationalists'. 'Natzists' in Azov batalion speak Russian. Russisn speakers in UA can be divided into 3 groups: pro UA, pro Ru and "local Soviets' for whom the collapse of the USSR was a catastrophe. This third group live mostly i Luhansk and Donetsk regions.
It is good until 2014. There was no "separatists" movement. It was plein Russian operation employing some local militia
The people who were fighting were mostly locals so you're wrong.
@@cyklonbnaszkodniki3616 Now even Putin said that he sent troops there.
How do you make your videos? Looks really cool
It definitely won’t be easy for Ukraine to take back the entire Donbas region. Encircling it probably isn’t viable.
Probably the best way to take it militarily from how I see it is to pull a similar move the Soviets pulled in 1943 by drawing away enemy units from the area. One way I could see this happening is if Ukraine cuts off the Crimean land bridge, which would force Putin to make a choice of what he wants to keep more… the Donbas region, or Crimea.
Скоро будет масштабное наступление России, и вся Украина будет нашей
It's 2022 . Idk by the time of retaking the territories of donbass comes up Ukraine could have enough tech to drive out Russia
Dont worry they will never retake it
@@inostranec7336 people said the same thing about Kherson
@@inostranec7336 Huh where have I heard this before, oh yeah, all the territories occupied by russia including the ones ukraine has recaptured
May I recommend making videos on the history of the Crimean Penisula.
Cool! It includes Krasny Luch. I taught English there for a few years.
just a simple question from a simple man: where are u from btw?
Oh and merry Xmas! have a good one and keep up this awesome content :)
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I am excited to see the video about the battle of Donbas but it will have to end to see it first of all.
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
@@VovkinaFaso why you tell me this. I support Russia and i am waiting for Russia to liberate Bakhmut.
@@stephmod7434 me too bro
@@stephmod7434 Russia can't "liberate" Bakhmut. It's never been Russian federation territory to "liberate" it
@@VovkinaFaso based.
These videos are amazing.
You should make this wars map when it finishes also start with 2014
In 2014 it was not only ruzzian equipment, they also use their military but without identification marks("green" mans).
Even as a Ukrainian I didn't know as much details as mentioned in this video. Thank you for your content!
TL;DR: Not correct to say that there was separatist in the Donbas region.
And here is why:
1. russian-speaker of most of Ukraine was the result of the planned russification of Ukrainians and minor communities.
2. On Donbas was no separatist before russia sent GRU under colonel Girkin/Strelkov.
2.1. Donbas was controlled by the Party of Regions from ~2000 up to 2014, including media and others. They built the idea of "Donbas as a special region" to gain more support and political power to grub more money.
Real "separatist" from folks who lived in Donbas in 2014 was no more than exists right now in East Germany.
By the way, hello from Kyiv, also from folks that lived in Donbas before 2014.
What program are you using to make these animations. And were do you get the maps
Hey man, dont get this wrong, but can you make another subject other than Ukraine related?
Thank you!
Glory to Ukraine! Ukraine will win!
How do you research information
Lack of ammunition and vehicles wasn’t the only problem for LDNR forces and certainly wasn’t the worst of them all. In 2014 they were a bunch of militia units with no centralised command or strategy and literal warlords in some sectors of the front. Only in the battle for Debaltsevo they fought like an actual army.
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
@@VovkinaFaso I don't care vatnik. Your words can't change the reality.
Completely bullshit nonsense you said.
Do patrion subscribers get earlier access to videos cause I just got the notification and the comments are from 16 hours ago
Yes, they do get it early
Did you ever think of making an African/Italian ww2 Video?
"If there is no Ukrainian strong army, there will be no Ukraine, and that will be the case when everyone will understand... it's not the war in Ukraine, it's the war in Europe. We are defending our country, our land. We are not attacking anyone, because that is immoral"
--Volodymyr Zelensky
Russians in Odessa: But you didn't have to cut me off!
Ukraine is a failed and non-existent state 404. Ukraine is now a fascist militaristic terrorist organization that has occupied the territories of Russia. Ukraine is carrying out genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people in order to wage war in Europe. Ukraine will be destroyed for the benefit of the whole world
@@stephmod7434 russians in odessa who launched molotovs on the people outside ? yeah those people...
@@perfectmazda3538 Ukraine also bomb "its people" in Donetsk and Lugansk. ;)
"Ukraine reminds me of an actress in German adult movies. Meaning that it's ready to receive in any amount from any side."
- Vladimir Zelensky
Source: th-cam.com/video/IAylBO5NkiQ/w-d-xo.html
Who build that industrial area?
Could you make a story about the Korean War?
8:20 - mistake all area from the east of line Odessa - Sumi was always Russian-speaking territory from Ekaterina II times.
later - there was no open conflict till 2022
And why does the author use "separatists" term, but nor "rebels"?
PS. one funny fact: Ukraine and Russia still didn't declare war each to other. Russia has Special Operation, Ukraine - Anti Terrorist Operation
I also disagree with the term "separatists" - those are clearly terrorists
@@monx94 USA always support terrorists, like ISIS, so ukies it terrorists now USIS
Well, as far as I know, that's because "rebels" are somewhat more derogative than "separatists", and such naming is also less accurate when we are trying to indicate the intentions of such forces.
Really good as usual. But didn't the separatists only have between 1500-3000 men in the first 4 months of the 2014 war in Donbass only being able to mass recruit and press-gang in the summer? How could they hold all the Donbass against 60,000 Ukrainian troops even with loads of Russian equipment? Isn't it clear that Russia sent metric loads of "off-duty" troops to the Donbass during this period to counter the Ukrainians and when this failed to be enough, they sent entire regular formations of 10s of 1000s of men?
Thanks for the info
@@Eastory Of course man, and keep doing what you are doing. These are probably the best video/documentaries I have seen for visualising a war operationally. And there are a lot of good ones out there now a days. But I think easily the best. You have a very good grasp and explanation of this stuff.
As always, interesting videos on specific subject of particular geographic region of Donets Basin (bite me, Russo-Ukrainian naming conflict dumbarses). And it was an interesting perspective on the 2014 conflict review, albeit some folks down here are arguing about some of details. I wonder, though, what were the sources you used when making this video? Or, at least, what kind of sources did you use? It would be great if you shared such information with viewers.
What part of England is Scotland in again?
@@absoluteManiac I just wonder, what exactly political force you've imagined standing behind me; and what the purpose was of writing such a question.
I attempted to find a good source and asked people around on TH-cam and Reddit, but it seems that this source does not exist. I ended up using many different Wikipedia articles to put the video together.
@@Eastory I see. Thank you for reply. Keep going with new interesting videos :) Perhaps, you would like to add the list of articles used in the video description, so people would be acknowledged with it and could check that information in more details themselves.
@@Eastory Wikipedia used to have good chronology on this subject before february, now it is replaced by narratives. There is also a good book "85 Days in Slavyansk", or pro-ucrainian sources could be tones of info from ucrainian forums with participants or interviews
could you do a video about isis war
When the World Need Him he Comes
Glory to Ukraine ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Glory to Russia.