I live in New Mexico where the annual Balloon Fiesta is held every October for the last 52 years. About 30 years ago they started launching the hot air balloons from a grassed field. Over 600 to 900 balloons would launch every day for a week. Officials installed a grass field much like you described that would support the weight of millions of people walking on the grass as well as the hundreds of trucks and trailers that must roll across the grass every day during the event. After all this time the grass has held up beautifully. Now this is real grass not artificial turf. Below the grass, is permeable blocks that support the grass as well as the thousands of pounds of almost 900 vehicles. There has been aircraft that has landed on that field. But unknown what they were and of course how much it weighs.
@@LawrenceKaneshiro Exactly! And the fireworks this year were crazy, I'm thinking of going there this weekend. I love looking at the balloons from Paseo, but the fact that they have maintained the grass field and made it so durable is just amazing!
I was going to say, there are some football stadiums which the feild is moved out of the building to make space for other events. ...Why doesn't the white house have a grass and soil platform which can be lowered into a hidden underground slot to allow for a solid helipad to raise from as shallow silo. that way grass is not disturbed and a actual helipad can be used, look presentable and flush even to compliment the surroundings.
I've got significant flight time as pilot in the USAF variants of the H-3, the CH-3E and the HH-3E "Jolly Green". This video severely overstates the "problems" of landing a helicopter on a grass field. The helicopter would be pretty useless if it could only land on reinforced concrete slabs. The presidential support mission is rather a "Gucci" operation: pretty clean, don't get dirty. The rest of military helo ops require routine landings in grass, dirt, mud, sand, snow, tundra, everything. I have literally thousands of landings on unprepared, untouched by human hands ground and never sank into the soil. Outflow from downwash, however, is a significant problem for surrounding structures and people. Our youngest helo pilots are taught early on to land with "sniper-like" precision within several feet tolerance... not an easy feat at first but something every pilot can do by the time they earn their wings. Twenty years of experience is not needed for this skill. We pick O-5s and O-6s for different reasons. The Flight Restricted Zone around D.C. and the Prohibited Airspace around the White House do not restrict the overflight or landing of Marine Corps One. That would be sort of like preventing firemen to enter a burning building. There was no point in citing that airspace as restrictive for MC-1 operations. Lastly, a major reason for delay in replacing the VH-3 is because President Obama slowed the procurement program in 2009 as a budget cutting act. At one point, he told the media "The helicopter I have now seems perfectly adequate to me."
@@rael5469 8 years laters with the overtime and overbudget for these kind of project … That was like thinking you can clean cat puke on the carpet later in the week…
@wzman2006 _"The Flight Restricted Zone around D.C. and the Prohibited Airspace around the White House do not restrict the overflight or landing of Marine Corps One. ... There was no point in citing that airspace as restrictive for MC-1 operations."_ Agreed; citing FRZ as a restriction demonstrated zero comprehension. 'Beyond Facts' has no idea what the airspace designation is for, and to whom it applies ... yet includes mention of it in video, inappropriately.
@@rael5469 I've never connected Marine One with any sort of regurgitating felines... as you clearly stated, "That's just weird!!" Well stated. More to the point though, someone on the President's staff should have some influence on the access required by his ride. If the President signs a work order for an adequate concrete platform with matching "Astro-Turf" or an acceptable equal, it might take two weeks... OK, DC Paperwork... 6 months!!! It sounds like nobody wants to offend some paper-pusher with a bit of attitude. An effective Presidential attitude might be something along the lines of, "I'm only here for 4 years...OK, maybe 8. I'll just sign the damn thing and tell the grounds keeper to get it done. NEXT. 👍
...Marine 1 DOES NOT LAND ON GRASS!! It lands on special pads that are spaced EXACTLY where each wheel is located. It is flown by aMarine Aviator who's rank is Col or 06. The Co Pilot is either another Col or LTC 05. The pads thatnit lands on are concrete 36" x 36" and are 36" thick with a 12" base of of stone and 6" of sand. If Marine 1 landed on the Grass it would sink in anywhere from 6 to 12" because the Sea King is just that heavy.
This sounds correct. Buried concrete is exactly what I'd expect if they want it to look normal. Then some sort of spiky product to move the weight from the tires to the concrete, with the grass growing through the gaps in the spiky product. Probably adjustable spikes with a grass strain that loves hard pack soil. That's how I'd roll if I were in charge. But it's hard to believe engines on top of an aircraft people can exit from with the engines running can burn the grass; and even if true they clearly know they simply need more engine bypass air. Sound more like a cover story for a secret wish list item of some sort.
Bull, I've landed on grass with a Sikorsky with no issues - The disks are removable and not gravel or concrete . S-61 on a job site for long line construction Don't use nothing but grass & dirt .
I agree with you on the first half about the pilots but have to call BS on the second half about having concrete. There are plenty of photos (unclassified, all over the internet) where it clearly shows WH ground crew members rolling out large metal discs to layout where the Marine One's landing gear will touch down. Those metal plates are wide enough to hold up the heavy helicopters from sinking into the ground. If you have any doubts, take a look at these same helicopters landing in the snow; a simple snow shoe/ski will allow them to operate normally in an Arctic environment without sinking into the snow, which BTW is a lot less densely packed than grass lawn.
The FRZ does not apply to the presidential helicopter. They can land pretty much anywhere they want given enough space to do so. The restriction applies primarily to civilian aircraft.
I've seen plastic grid tiles supposed to support several tons and still allow the grass to grow thru and conceal it advertised as being used on the south lawn.
I noticed that, too. It's semantics, but it's three landing gear, two of those gear have two wheels. They should have said gear instead of wheels, but for a high-level look, it's close enough, I suppose.
Possibly because of the issue of astroturf potentially degrading to a stage where it would cause debris that could cause issues with the engines if it got into it - even if they remove the filler that's often found in astroturf as well.
I’ve never seen “ small concrete pads “ . I have seen steel discs being rolled out though . They don’t land on the grass because of the helicopter weight could sink down into mud , far enough to be a safety risk caused by leaning of the chassis / body tilting the blades down on one side..
@@tascosaeagle Physics 1st POTUS is just another meat bag. 24 passengers for Los Angeles Airways for decades. S-58 was carrying Presidents and Bell 47 too.
I was very fortunate back in the 1990s to be able to walk up and take a tour of marine one and Air Force One. I don't care what pictures or videos you have seen when you walk up to one of those aircraft your whole inside of your body just starts shaking from excitement and the thrill of knowing that the presidents of the United States of America have used these aircraft. You will never feel more proud of being an American than walking up to something like this that is seen worldwide.
There exist several lawn driveway systems that could be adapted to better support the helicopters of the USMC without majorly affecting the appearance of the South Lawn.
I've seen swimming pools that have retractable covers that are real grass. They should just build a helipad that has one of these covers slide over it when not in use so that it still looks like lawn when the pad isn't needed.
I was a certified Landing Zone officer for my Fire Department when we called in Medical evacuation helicopters. & we landed in very rural areas of South East N.M. - a green lawn would be a luxury to the medivac pilots I worked with!
You can stiffen the soil. You can buy this plastic, expandable "web" that has pockets that are usually between 2 to 4 inches deep. You expand the "web", lay it out across the soil, fill soil into the pocket cells, and then toss some grass seed on top of the whole thing. You could even start by first putting a layer of crushed peat stone underneath it.
It actually lands on three small circular concrete base pads, all new marine one pilots have to qualify by landing all three wheels perfectly on the small pads and do it over and over without mistake
Here in Ireland the SR-92 is currently used by the Coast Guard however the fleet is being replaced as they are outdated and parts are now hard to source. It's difficult to understand why the military presidential variant the VH-92 is now being introduced as they are already outdated here. How are they going to source parts given they can't be sourced in Ireland as parts manufacturing is being discontinued I believe.
naugh it's easy to land that thing once. the issue is that it then turns in to a very messy cleanup job. landing is always easy. landing and surviving it is the challenge.
When my daughter was in college at Sheperdstown College in West Virginia, they landed Marine One on the college’s baseball field damaging the underground irrigation system causing the college to spend nearly $100k dollars for repairs. The were reimbursed by the government. This was during the Clinton era.
Hi guys, this is a timewaster video. The answer is, because they don't want to ruin the grass, and they put 3 metal plates under where the helicopter's wheels touch it.
Downwash has nothing to do with the engine or its horsepower, it rather is just a result of the helicopters weight. The heavier it is, the stronger the downwash. (Newton's Law of Force)
It's the rpms of the rotor operated by the engine to turn the rotors the heavier the helo thr more rpms you are going to use so to answer this question yes you need the motor to operate the helicopter the more rpms on the rotors the more downwash
@@tylerbuckley4661 nope that’s not true. Big helicopters have their rotors running at a constant speed, they gain torque by using a governor which adjusts the blade angle. And still Newton didn’t care about RPM ;)
@@vw72713 actually you are troll no engine equals no power you can adjust the speed of rotors by the collective stick which adjusts the speed and the cyclic adjust the angle of the rotors which moves forward backwards and sideways now the throttle on the collective controls the speed the downwash caused by to rotation of the blades rotating with the pitch ftom the collective and the angle the blades for takeoff will cause not the weight you have to have rotation ftom the main rotor now go back to the corner with the dunce hat on
They could solve the issue with the LZ by digging up the lawn and putting a thick layer of concrete in the ground then replacing the soil and laying down fresh grass to hide the underground concrete pad.
How does the pilot even see where the wheels are to be able to land on those small pads? The one view it showed looked like they sit about 10 feet in front of the front tires. Unless maybe they have cameras to see under it maybe?
FYI, it's not Marine 1 until the President steps on the aircraft, like wise no Air Force 1 until the President steps on the aircraft, or Navy 1 until the President steps on the aircraft.
How about a retractable helipad located underneath the grass. If football stadiums can conceal seats for a concert or an Olympic sized swimming pool why not the White House??
They could put concrete down for the choppers to land on and cover the concrete with fake grass that looks like the rest so it can handle the weight but still look good
imo just pour a nice concrete pad and paint it green like a tennis court or put fake grass on it. yes grass looks nice but a dedicated pad wouldnt be too bad if keep clean and prevent all the "issues" of a heavy choppa .
Even with the additionally added surface area of the three aluminum plates you mentioned, that's still pretty hard for me to imagine. Aluminum could be bent even by hand, so how is it going to be strong and rigid enough to withstand 19,000 lbs worth of aircraft? Then there's the PSI's from the plates being transferred to the soil; for as small as those plates are and the weight of the aircraft, I don't think those plates would be large enough to reduce the PSI's to a reasonable threshold...especially with the newer M1 weighing at 28,000. If it were steel, reinforced concrete slabs or something else, that'd make more sense. One suggestion I would bring up to the WH is to instead of building out a whole circular helipad that would be an eye sore to look at, keep the idea of the plates but make them permanent. I'm no civil engineer or anything like that, but I reckon that they could drill out a huge 6-8 ft hole at each place that would have a plate, and essentially create a pillar of sorts, the same way that a pillar would be used to help support a structure, and the top end of that pillar would basically be the "plate" that M1 would land on. Cosmetically it'll just look like those 3 plates that were temporarily placed there are now installed there permanently, but other than that, nothing else would be out of the ordinary yet those 3 deep support pillars would allow even the new/future generations of M1 to land without affecting the surrounding soil/landscape.
@@HongyaMa it's more to do so with out damaging the ground below it. the machine may be able. the grass will not survive that if it's done over and over and over. Same with the building do to the wind the machine generates. that's where the challenge is. how to do that with out chainging the visual effect of how it all looks.
@@sirBrouwer Grass grows back & The rotor wash does less then you think. 45+ years commercial helicopter pilot LAPD heliport hasn't changed in the decades of operation , Compton police pad too - South side grass Corona was home to Hiser Helicopters with 30+ helicopters from little Robinsons to Chinooks still grass
I’m sure with today’s technology you can construct a permanent landing pad and cover it with a high quality and durable artificial turf that would blend in seamlessly with the surrounding landscape.🤔
why dont build a rectratable landing pad like do some construction on the garden and build the landing pad and then when not nedded hide it under the grass with a elevator mechanism
Why can't they create an elevated helipad on the South Lawn tennis/ basketball court? Lights, weather sensors, all the bells and whistles. Use the South Lawn less? Or just for ceremonial events.
Th government does NOT need a bigger and heavier Marine One for any president. They mentioned it carried more people--for what? It needs to carry less people, especially if they are the press. Trim the budget, as fate will be what it's going to be.
not sure if structurally feasible but why can't they reenforce a part of the White House itself to have a Helicopter land on the roof? with all the money spent on modifying Marine One and even Air Force One or the Beast think they could find the budget somewhere to do this.
What a load of crap, In Aerial construction they land on everything dirt, lose rock, grass, black top. This is a non event for an S-61. S-54 Sky crane or S-58... White House lawn is nothing. V-22 Tilt Rotor rotor wash is deadly - What a load this is
A lot of misinformation in these comments. I'm speaking as a former HMX-1 Command Pilot. The aircraft do not land directly on the South Lawn grass. Before a landing, 3 red-painted plywood circles (called "the boards") are carefully placed at pre-surveyed spots for each of the helicopter's wheels. If you look carefully at the video, you'll see the boards. Less evident are the two sections of flat firehose that are placed in line with the aircraft commander's foward centerline and his right shoulder. These act as as guides to place the landing gear precisely on the center of the boards. The copilot also verbally guides the Command Pilot giving running directions as he's looking over his left shoulder regarding final approach to the touchdown such as, " Back 20, up 10, back 15, up 8, back 5, up 3, BRAKES!" At the "BRAKES" call, the aircraft is gently lowered onto the boards, and because of the VH-3s natural hover attitude, tailwheel first, left mainmount next and right mainmount last. I was there for the Regan/Bush administrations so I'm not sure how the procedures will be different for the new VH-92A.
Your video was out of date when released. The VH-3was replaced by the VH-92 in early September a month before your video. in fact President Biden used the VH-92 for the first time to travel to NYC for the 2024 9/11 Memorial services.
I don't know where he was going to or coming from that day, but I don't think the -92 landed at the White House. You're correct that Biden did use it that day, but I can find any supporting information saying it was to/from DC.
Just install a permeable grass pavement. That would preserve the aesthetic of the lawn and provide a solid surface for helicopters to land on.
I live in New Mexico where the annual Balloon Fiesta is held every October for the last 52 years. About 30 years ago they started launching the hot air balloons from a grassed field. Over 600 to 900 balloons would launch every day for a week. Officials installed a grass field much like you described that would support the weight of millions of people walking on the grass as well as the hundreds of trucks and trailers that must roll across the grass every day during the event. After all this time the grass has held up beautifully. Now this is real grass not artificial turf. Below the grass, is permeable blocks that support the grass as well as the thousands of pounds of almost 900 vehicles. There has been aircraft that has landed on that field. But unknown what they were and of course how much it weighs.
@@LawrenceKaneshiro Exactly! And the fireworks this year were crazy, I'm thinking of going there this weekend. I love looking at the balloons from Paseo, but the fact that they have maintained the grass field and made it so durable is just amazing!
I was going to say, there are some football stadiums which the feild is moved out of the building to make space for other events.
...Why doesn't the white house have a grass and soil platform which can be lowered into a hidden underground slot to allow for a solid helipad to raise from as shallow silo.
that way grass is not disturbed and a actual helipad can be used, look presentable and flush even to compliment the surroundings.
@ Yeah I like that idea. Maybe someday when I am president. 😏😃😃
I had to look up what that was, but now I want that in my driveway.
I've got significant flight time as pilot in the USAF variants of the H-3, the CH-3E and the HH-3E "Jolly Green". This video severely overstates the "problems" of landing a helicopter on a grass field. The helicopter would be pretty useless if it could only land on reinforced concrete slabs. The presidential support mission is rather a "Gucci" operation: pretty clean, don't get dirty. The rest of military helo ops require routine landings in grass, dirt, mud, sand, snow, tundra, everything. I have literally thousands of landings on unprepared, untouched by human hands ground and never sank into the soil. Outflow from downwash, however, is a significant problem for surrounding structures and people.
Our youngest helo pilots are taught early on to land with "sniper-like" precision within several feet tolerance... not an easy feat at first but something every pilot can do by the time they earn their wings. Twenty years of experience is not needed for this skill. We pick O-5s and O-6s for different reasons.
The Flight Restricted Zone around D.C. and the Prohibited Airspace around the White House do not restrict the overflight or landing of Marine Corps One. That would be sort of like preventing firemen to enter a burning building. There was no point in citing that airspace as restrictive for MC-1 operations.
Lastly, a major reason for delay in replacing the VH-3 is because President Obama slowed the procurement program in 2009 as a budget cutting act. At one point, he told the media "The helicopter I have now seems perfectly adequate to me."
"The helicopter I have now seems perfectly adequate to me."
Was it adequate?
@@rael5469 8 years laters with the overtime and overbudget for these kind of project …
That was like thinking you can clean cat puke on the carpet later in the week…
@@G_de_Coligny A helicopter isn't cat puke. That's just weird.
@wzman2006 _"The Flight Restricted Zone around D.C. and the Prohibited Airspace around the White House do not restrict the overflight or landing of Marine Corps One. ... There was no point in citing that airspace as restrictive for MC-1 operations."_
Agreed; citing FRZ as a restriction demonstrated zero comprehension.
'Beyond Facts' has no idea what the airspace designation is for, and to whom it applies ... yet includes mention of it in video, inappropriately.
@@rael5469 I've never connected Marine One with any sort of regurgitating felines... as you clearly stated, "That's just weird!!" Well stated. More to the point though, someone on the President's staff should have some influence on the access required by his ride. If the President signs a work order for an adequate concrete platform with matching "Astro-Turf" or an acceptable equal, it might take two weeks... OK, DC Paperwork... 6 months!!! It sounds like nobody wants to offend some paper-pusher with a bit of attitude. An effective Presidential attitude might be something along the lines of, "I'm only here for 4 years...OK, maybe 8. I'll just sign the damn thing and tell the grounds keeper to get it done. NEXT. 👍
That's way too much wasted time beating around the bush. This video could have been 2 minutes long.
Womp womp cry about it
The longer the video the more likely it will be monetized.
@@InformedandBlessed520 TH-cam clearly doesn't know what it wants. So what's the purpose of Shorts?
@@johnjob9523 No argument here. I was surprised folks were actually making money off of posting videos.
I disagree, make your own TH-cam videos if you're such a boss.
4:55 minutes gets right to the point
Those be concrete pads not aluminum.
@@adamsmith5151 No concrete at all S-61 will land at full gross on that lawn all day long , No issues
Hero!🫡
@@adamsmith5151wrong, actually aluminum discs rolled out each time
Watch at this point for about 10-20 seconds and then you can leave. Video is unnecessarily long.
This is one of the emptiest videos I have seen here. A heavy chopper, 3 alum pads and rattling windows is all I can remember.
Los Angeles Airways used them for passenger service all over Southern California Grass, Black top and packed dirt
for me all I took away was that he can't say 'helipad' properly;-)
...Marine 1 DOES NOT LAND ON GRASS!! It lands on special pads that are spaced EXACTLY where each wheel is located. It is flown by aMarine Aviator who's rank is Col or 06. The Co Pilot is either another Col or LTC 05. The pads thatnit lands on are concrete 36" x 36" and are 36" thick with a 12" base of of stone and 6" of sand. If Marine 1 landed on the Grass it would sink in anywhere from 6 to 12" because the Sea King is just that heavy.
This sounds correct. Buried concrete is exactly what I'd expect if they want it to look normal. Then some sort of spiky product to move the weight from the tires to the concrete, with the grass growing through the gaps in the spiky product. Probably adjustable spikes with a grass strain that loves hard pack soil. That's how I'd roll if I were in charge. But it's hard to believe engines on top of an aircraft people can exit from with the engines running can burn the grass; and even if true they clearly know they simply need more engine bypass air. Sound more like a cover story for a secret wish list item of some sort.
100% correct. It never touches the grass. You can even see them in the video.
Bull, I've landed on grass with a Sikorsky with no issues - The disks are removable and not gravel or concrete .
S-61 on a job site for long line construction Don't use nothing but grass & dirt .
@@tsamuel6224 Nope
I agree with you on the first half about the pilots but have to call BS on the second half about having concrete. There are plenty of photos (unclassified, all over the internet) where it clearly shows WH ground crew members rolling out large metal discs to layout where the Marine One's landing gear will touch down. Those metal plates are wide enough to hold up the heavy helicopters from sinking into the ground. If you have any doubts, take a look at these same helicopters landing in the snow; a simple snow shoe/ski will allow them to operate normally in an Arctic environment without sinking into the snow, which BTW is a lot less densely packed than grass lawn.
4:00
‘’Because it’s equipped with latest tech from advance communication systems to defence counter mesures’’
*Shows an old 737 cockpit*😅
The FRZ does not apply to the presidential helicopter. They can land pretty much anywhere they want given enough space to do so. The restriction applies primarily to civilian aircraft.
Right, I don't think it restricts the movement of the sole reason the frz is in place, which is to protect the president and the White House 🤷
There is a product out that is buried and the grass can grows through it that can hold large amount of weight
I've seen plastic grid tiles supposed to support several tons and still allow the grass to grow thru and conceal it advertised as being used on the south lawn.
At 3:50 it says that the helicopter lands on 3 wheels, but looking at the video, it clearly lands on 5 wheels.
I noticed that, too. It's semantics, but it's three landing gear, two of those gear have two wheels. They should have said gear instead of wheels, but for a high-level look, it's close enough, I suppose.
They should do a synthetic grass helo pad, like a football stadium but they could place concrete under it for this new Marine 1.
I wonder why they don’t pour concrete on the landing zone and cover with Astroturf or similar?
Possibly because of the issue of astroturf potentially degrading to a stage where it would cause debris that could cause issues with the engines if it got into it - even if they remove the filler that's often found in astroturf as well.
Not needed
Actually they have small concrete pads to land on not the grass
I’ve never seen “ small concrete pads “ . I have seen steel discs being rolled out though . They don’t land on the grass because of the helicopter weight could sink down into mud , far enough to be a safety risk caused by leaning of the chassis / body tilting the blades down on one side..
@@tascosaeagle NOPE, S-61 with full water tans at full gross weight land on grass fields all the time.
@@HongyaMa All the time ? Yes ,BUT do they pick up POTUS ? No .
@@tascosaeagle Physics 1st POTUS is just another meat bag. 24 passengers for Los Angeles Airways for decades.
S-58 was carrying Presidents and Bell 47 too.
They place a pad for each wheel and they can change direction of the landing
4:00 Interesting that Sikorsky is using a Boeing 737 overhead and a yoke...
I was very fortunate back in the 1990s to be able to walk up and take a tour of marine one and Air Force One. I don't care what pictures or videos you have seen when you walk up to one of those aircraft your whole inside of your body just starts shaking from excitement and the thrill of knowing that the presidents of the United States of America have used these aircraft. You will never feel more proud of being an American than walking up to something like this that is seen worldwide.
There exist several lawn driveway systems that could be adapted to better support the helicopters of the USMC without majorly affecting the appearance of the South Lawn.
You can go on google maps and see the concrete pads where it lands not grass
Thought it was aluminum plates - not concrete ?!
Dawn, build a helipad and carmouflage with synthetic grass on top of helipad. Keep the beautiful tradition look and practicality of modern tech.
My Cousin was part of Marine One flight crew during the Bush Sr years before he rotated out.
Put a cement pad out there and paint it green. When not in use, roll out some astro turf on it.
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I've seen swimming pools that have retractable covers that are real grass. They should just build a helipad that has one of these covers slide over it when not in use so that it still looks like lawn when the pad isn't needed.
Pads not needed
What a load of nonsense.
I was a certified Landing Zone officer for my Fire Department when we called in Medical evacuation helicopters. & we landed in very rural areas of South East N.M. - a green lawn would be a luxury to the medivac pilots I worked with!
You can stiffen the soil.
You can buy this plastic, expandable "web" that has pockets that are usually between 2 to 4 inches deep. You expand the "web", lay it out across the soil, fill soil into the pocket cells, and then toss some grass seed on top of the whole thing. You could even start by first putting a layer of crushed peat stone underneath it.
It actually lands on three small circular concrete base pads, all new marine one pilots have to qualify by landing all three wheels perfectly on the small pads and do it over and over without mistake
Nope
This video is worse than an infomercial
6:20 "Decimating" perhaps. Not "desecrating." But I learned something. Thanks for doing the video.
Here in Ireland the SR-92 is currently used by the Coast Guard however the fleet is being replaced as they are outdated and parts are now hard to source. It's difficult to understand why the military presidential variant the VH-92 is now being introduced as they are already outdated here. How are they going to source parts given they can't be sourced in Ireland as parts manufacturing is being discontinued I believe.
Paint the landing pad green, case solved.
Because it is easier than landing AIR FORCE ONE on the Lawn
naugh it's easy to land that thing once. the issue is that it then turns in to a very messy cleanup job.
landing is always easy. landing and surviving it is the challenge.
Beautiful comeback ! Love it !
When my daughter was in college at Sheperdstown College in West Virginia, they landed Marine One on the college’s baseball field damaging the underground irrigation system causing the college to spend nearly $100k dollars for repairs. The were reimbursed by the government. This was during the Clinton era.
Hi guys, this is a timewaster video. The answer is, because they don't want to ruin the grass, and they put 3 metal plates under where the helicopter's wheels touch it.
Why they don’t make a live grass panels? And during the landing remove them to uncover the concrete pads underneath?
It lands because crashing is bad form.
I live near the White House and I hear it every time it comes and goes. Pretty interesting.
for those who dont have to time to wait until 4:55 marine one just lands on small concrete or some other stone/metal pad
Modify the lawn by placing honeycombed blocks gravel under the sod just deep enough to not be noticeable also use netting in the roots of the sod
Downwash has nothing to do with the engine or its horsepower, it rather is just a result of the helicopters weight. The heavier it is, the stronger the downwash. (Newton's Law of Force)
It's the rpms of the rotor operated by the engine to turn the rotors the heavier the helo thr more rpms you are going to use so to answer this question yes you need the motor to operate the helicopter the more rpms on the rotors the more downwash
No engine no power no power no downwash genius
@@tylerbuckley4661 nope that’s not true. Big helicopters have their rotors running at a constant speed, they gain torque by using a governor which adjusts the blade angle.
And still Newton didn’t care about RPM ;)
@@vw72713 dingus wtf do you think powers them jackass
@@vw72713 actually you are troll no engine equals no power you can adjust the speed of rotors by the collective stick which adjusts the speed and the cyclic adjust the angle of the rotors which moves forward backwards and sideways now the throttle on the collective controls the speed the downwash caused by to rotation of the blades rotating with the pitch ftom the collective and the angle the blades for takeoff will cause not the weight you have to have rotation ftom the main rotor now go back to the corner with the dunce hat on
They could solve the issue with the LZ by digging up the lawn and putting a thick layer of concrete in the ground then replacing the soil and laying down fresh grass to hide the underground concrete pad.
How does the pilot even see where the wheels are to be able to land on those small pads? The one view it showed looked like they sit about 10 feet in front of the front tires. Unless maybe they have cameras to see under it maybe?
What's a Helo pad?
HELicOpter Pad ?
Heli pad*
Make a concrete Helo pad and cover it with astro turf .May sound funny ,but it;s a thought .
That's right; you guessed it! "Problems"
Problems?
Problems!
Problems! Anything but Problems!!!
FYI, it's not Marine 1 until the President steps on the aircraft, like wise no Air Force 1 until the President steps on the aircraft, or Navy 1 until the President steps on the aircraft.
The narrator (eventually) mentioned/clarified that at some point in the video and illustrated it with an odd-looking Richard Nixon statuette.
It’s just Grass, they need a proper Helo Pad!
Wow a 30 second video turned into an hour video
How about a retractable helipad located underneath the grass. If football stadiums can conceal seats for a concert or an Olympic sized swimming pool why not the White House??
They could put concrete down for the choppers to land on and cover the concrete with fake grass that looks like the rest so it can handle the weight but still look good
easy fix make the small landing pad of concrete with green surface as tennis courts and use short grass as around golf holes
They could build a wide concrete pad that could be used a parade deck and land the new one like that
imo just pour a nice concrete pad and paint it green like a tennis court or put fake grass on it. yes grass looks nice but a dedicated pad wouldnt be too bad if keep clean and prevent all the "issues" of a heavy choppa .
there are concert pads you can see them many times in this video
Even with the additionally added surface area of the three aluminum plates you mentioned, that's still pretty hard for me to imagine. Aluminum could be bent even by hand, so how is it going to be strong and rigid enough to withstand 19,000 lbs worth of aircraft? Then there's the PSI's from the plates being transferred to the soil; for as small as those plates are and the weight of the aircraft, I don't think those plates would be large enough to reduce the PSI's to a reasonable threshold...especially with the newer M1 weighing at 28,000. If it were steel, reinforced concrete slabs or something else, that'd make more sense.
One suggestion I would bring up to the WH is to instead of building out a whole circular helipad that would be an eye sore to look at, keep the idea of the plates but make them permanent. I'm no civil engineer or anything like that, but I reckon that they could drill out a huge 6-8 ft hole at each place that would have a plate, and essentially create a pillar of sorts, the same way that a pillar would be used to help support a structure, and the top end of that pillar would basically be the "plate" that M1 would land on. Cosmetically it'll just look like those 3 plates that were temporarily placed there are now installed there permanently, but other than that, nothing else would be out of the ordinary yet those 3 deep support pillars would allow even the new/future generations of M1 to land without affecting the surrounding soil/landscape.
No need for anything, S-61 at full gross can land any where grass dirt grass black top even water
@@HongyaMa it's more to do so with out damaging the ground below it. the machine may be able. the grass will not survive that if it's done over and over and over.
Same with the building do to the wind the machine generates.
that's where the challenge is. how to do that with out chainging the visual effect of how it all looks.
@@sirBrouwer Grass grows back & The rotor wash does less then you think. 45+ years commercial helicopter pilot
LAPD heliport hasn't changed in the decades of operation , Compton police pad too - South side grass Corona was home to Hiser Helicopters with 30+ helicopters from little Robinsons to Chinooks still grass
What was that line from that movie??? Oh yeah, "Get off of my lawn!" 🤭
9:38 hey guys Chris fix here 🤣🤣
Thats USA: Why is the President not going by horse?
The horse rejected the offer, The riders smelled bad
The real reason Eisenhower had the helicopter land on the south lawn is because he had the Runs and needed to get to the bathroom as fast as possible.
4:01 That's a 737 overhead panel.
Why don't they build a helipad then put the grass over it?
Why ???………have you ever seen the traffic in D. C. ?
Couldn't they make the pads a little larger to make it easier to land on?
UH...
It has 5 wheels, NOT 3.
It lands on the lawn cause there are many positions for protection of the aircraft and occupants.. plus like you said its a tradition..
I can clearly see pads on the ground for the acft. To land on.
Why not put a helo pad on the roof seems like it would fix the problem plus would provide better security for the prsident
The New VH 92 can not land on the White House Lawn because the Exhaust will Scorch the Grass
If he rode in a go kart, then it would be known as Go Kart One.
If he rode on a skateboard, then it would be known as Skateboard One.
Have they looked into installing a helipad and just putting roll up turf over it?
I’m sure with today’s technology you can construct a permanent landing pad and cover it with a high quality and durable artificial turf that would blend in seamlessly with the surrounding landscape.🤔
Why don’t “create “ a hidden Heli pad?
When not in use, could be a water mirror. For example.
They did three concrete pads for the wheels to set on.
How about they just break the tradition if it doesn't make sense anymore
if anyone ever wants a definition of "slow walk", watch this video.
Why isnt their news about military helicopters landing on the White House lawn October 28th 2024
Because it can, 'nuff said.
why dont build a rectratable landing pad like do some construction on the garden and build the landing pad and then when not nedded hide it under the grass with a elevator mechanism
Well, if the government is involved, common sense isn't practical...🤦♂️
God forbid they ruin the annual Easter egg roll to build a helipad. 🤦
It actually lands on three small concrete pads spaced out which is an ELITE status symbol for the SKILLED U.S MARINE PILOT..
Why don’t they hide the halo pad under the grass so it looks the same that’s my suggestion
They should create a helipad and put fake grass over it, so it blends in.
Because there is no helipad. Now you don’t have to wait 12 minutes of your life
Also a helicopter pad would just waste those well mowed grass
Why can't they create an elevated helipad on the South Lawn tennis/ basketball court? Lights, weather sensors, all the bells and whistles. Use the South Lawn less? Or just for ceremonial events.
Th government does NOT need a bigger and heavier Marine One for any president. They mentioned it carried more people--for what? It needs to carry less people, especially if they are the press. Trim the budget, as fate will be what it's going to be.
Because that's where the President lives. Video over.
Oh jeeze, just put in concrete covered with astroturf!
not sure if structurally feasible but why can't they reenforce a part of the White House itself to have a Helicopter land on the roof? with all the money spent on modifying Marine One and even Air Force One or the Beast think they could find the budget somewhere to do this.
Especially since most of us may already know the answer!
What a load of crap, In Aerial construction they land on everything dirt, lose rock, grass, black top. This is a non event for an S-61. S-54 Sky crane or S-58... White House lawn is nothing. V-22 Tilt Rotor rotor wash is deadly - What a load this is
ill save you all some time. its cause the president lives there
4:54 those are concrete pads not aluminum. That’s an easy one too.
Nope
They land on concrete pads. One for each wheel
Just tell us why, not the 12mins video to explain with unnecessities
A lot of misinformation in these comments. I'm speaking as a former HMX-1 Command Pilot. The aircraft do not land directly on the South Lawn grass. Before a landing, 3 red-painted plywood circles (called "the boards") are carefully placed at pre-surveyed spots for each of the helicopter's wheels. If you look carefully at the video, you'll see the boards. Less evident are the two sections of flat firehose that are placed in line with the aircraft commander's foward centerline and his right shoulder. These act as as guides to place the landing gear precisely on the center of the boards. The copilot also verbally guides the Command Pilot giving running directions as he's looking over his left shoulder regarding final approach to the touchdown such as, " Back 20, up 10, back 15, up 8, back 5, up 3, BRAKES!" At the "BRAKES" call, the aircraft is gently lowered onto the boards, and because of the VH-3s natural hover attitude, tailwheel first, left mainmount next and right mainmount last. I was there for the Regan/Bush administrations so I'm not sure how the procedures will be different for the new VH-92A.
At least you mentioned physics, like the rotor wash, but still, this sucks
Hey princess yes it does but still your beauty doesn't 😂😂😂 lol
Make a landing pad and paint it green! Or put fake grass over a cement pad.
Why not put in a helicopter pad and cover it with artificial grass (that looks like the surrounding grass. Then you will have the best results
So... It may be a rude to request for landing such beast onto a someone's lawn per se.🤔
Your video was out of date when released. The VH-3was replaced by the VH-92 in early September a month before your video. in fact President Biden used the VH-92 for the first time to travel to NYC for the 2024 9/11 Memorial services.
I don't know where he was going to or coming from that day, but I don't think the -92 landed at the White House. You're correct that Biden did use it that day, but I can find any supporting information saying it was to/from DC.
That Sikorsky 92 has oiling issues and a junk track record in the oil industry
S-61 is an old work horse with all the bugs worked out
I Liked Ike. But the MSM constantly criticized him for playing too much golf…. Maybe golfing Presidents are a good thing for the USA 🇺🇸