Let's all remember that Philip IV "The Fair" was referred to as "a body without a soul". I think that more questioned Philip's piety than the Templars' faith.
in Portugal the crusaders were not persecuted. the king of Portugal, D. Dinis refused the pope's demand, so many found refugees in Portugal. in Portugal, the order of the temple gives rise to the order of the knights of Christ, who in turn are at the origin of the 15th century Portuguese empire. so ... thanks to King Philip iv of France and the Pope.
I'm not Catholic, but I am a soldier of Christ. I just want to say thank you for all the effort and detail you put into these videos. It turns out I've always lived by a similar code though I was not educated about the Templars per se. I have ordered books from Barber and Nicholson and I'm excited to look into the history. I found the biblical parallel between Jesus and the Hospitallers, Templars and Teutons interesting. The Hospitallers first came solely for service and healing to comfort and save lives as Christ did in His first coming. Then the Templars and Hospitallers militarized due to injustice of pilgrims, just as Christ will return as a conqueror, with a sword on a white horse. Then the Teutons, who seem to me copycats that left the holy land because it was not profitable and, I feel, used the idea of a crusade to conquer where they expected no competition and no challenge from the natives (Prussia). This parallels Christ saying their will be many Antichrists who say they are with God but are not. There's more depth, but you get the idea. Thanks again! Spiritual lessons in all created things! God bless!
Although your motives are certainly sincere and commendable, you can't be a soldier of Christ if you're not a Catholic. Being a Soldier of Christ implies that one follows Christ in the first place. How can one do that if he's outside his Church ?
You’re wrong about the German Order, they didn’t ever totally leave the Holyland, they were just needed elsewhere, they worked on crusade fronts as needed. A contingent remained in Jerusalem until it fell to help work as translators for all the German speaking pilgrims going there, which was the entire reason they were founded as an order in the first place. It would be expected that the bulk of their numbers would be sent to the northern front of the crusades, because that’s where they were most needed for their translation abilities. Obviously all the orders were formidable warriors, but the Teutonic Order was very useful when it came to foreigners working with northern Germanic kings in the northern crusades, because the Teutonic Knights were almost all multilingual, with German being their first language, but their abilities in other languages were indispensable to coordinating between the kings up north who could only speak German and the crusaders from elsewhere who couldn’t speak German at all.
Very interesting as usual. John Barbour's (1320-1395 A.D) tale of Robert Bruce(1307-1329 A.D) speaks about the Templars who were given refuge and fought many battles in Scotland's fight for freedom in the early 14th century..
You forgot Portugal. THERE ARE HISTORICAL PROOFS. Portugal protected completely the Templar’s. The King Dom Dinis I changed the name of the order to “ Ordem de Cristo” “Christ Order” and all of them kept the same privileges as ever. One of the biggest Monastery and castle of the Templar’s is in Tomar center of Portugal- it still exists and keeps all the structure and original signs. More in the past all the process of foundation of the country was connected with the Templar’s. The first King Dom Afonso Henriques was a Templar or at least pretty much connected. His best friend Gualdin Paes was the Templar’s leader in Portugal. And then on the age of discoveries the main role was taken by the leader of this order of Christ Henry- The Navigator, the prince son of the King. So...the Templar’s have continued in Portugal.
The Templar knights were not holding an 'expanded' territory, but repelling the evil Islamic expansion and reconquering forcefully attained Christian lands by noneother then the Muslims. The Muslims had invaded many a Christian nations and for hundreds of years before the crusades were even birthed. Most of the actual Knight Templars were of Noble birth, but gave up their pampered lives, gave much away, sold their lands and spent their inheritances on their equipment in able to fight. They swore an oath to chastity and to defend the Catholic faith and Christian peasants. Extreme honour should be given to them, as they spearheaded the fight against the evil satanic ideology of Islam. Infact all of Europe would probably have been overrun if not in part for the Templars and their heroism and dedication. Philip IV no doubt has a special spot in hell.
I am so fascinated with the Knights of Santiago (both the Spanish and Portuguese versions of the order). I know that after the fall of the Knights Templar a good majority of them entered into the Knights of Santiago. Could you go over the origins of these orders and the differences between the Spanish and Portuguese orders.
Some of the Templars were sheltered in Portugal by King Alfonso .. a new order grew from the Templars called “the order of Christ” but it was the persecuted Templars under a different name with their HQ in Tomar, Portugal ..
@@MixedRaceAndProud1690most of the Templars just disappeared from France and went to other kingdoms that were friendly to them. The Templars were so indispensable in the Reconquista that the Spanish and Portuguese Monarchs offered them refuge and protected them. Other monarchs did similar things, in the Holy Roman Empire the trials against the Templars acquitted them in two different trials and didn’t even attempt to try most of the rank and file members, quietly offering them the advice to simply become Hospitallers and Teutonic order members or to join any of the other several Catholic Military Orders active within the HRE at the time. It was highly concentrated in France that the persecution and executions took place.
Philip IV also borrowed a lot of money from the Templars order. The kingdoms were not sending men to help with the crusades. And the laws of nobility cut down on the amount of knights that were on the front lines...
King Philip IV of France needed money because his father had spent a lot of money on the war against england during the 13th century. Unable to pay his debt to the templars, he accused them of heresy and convince pope clement V(who was a childhood friend of king Philip) to imprison the high ranking members of the templars. Many believe most templars fled to Scotland as it was an independent kingdom at the time and was the safest place in Europe for the templars.
Portugal too. Military Order of Christ. They were acquitted of charges in two trials in the Holy Roman Empire. Depending on the kingdom there were SO many Catholic Chivalric Orders that accepted transferring Knights Templar brothers.
21:21 There actually is a huge evidence about their survival - in Portugal. They were just renamed "the Order of Christ" by King Denis of Portugal in 1319 and played a pivotal role in the Portuguese struggles against Muslims in the Indian Ocean, which eventually resulted in a total Portuguese control over that ocean for about a century and a half. I would appreciate it if you do a research on this topic and make videos about it - it's truly fascinating.
As he pointed out, much of the Templar infrastructure and at least some personnel were redistributed to other orders like the Hospitallers and Teutonic. If they were no longer called “Templars,” then what happened in Portugal would be no different.
@@aop3404 , I know what he said - the survivors were incorporated into already existing orders. What I'm saying is that, in the Portuguese case, the Order of the Knights Templar was completely preserved in all but name: the Templars were not persecuted; the survivors were not integrated into other existing orders; they remained as they were, only under a different name; and they played a crucial role in the Portuguese explorations and discoveries during the 15th and 16th centuries, as well as their battles against Muslims and others in the Indian Ocean. I suggest that you go on and look into this topic - I suppose that a battle between 150 Portuguese and 57000 Indians, in which the Portuguese won with a 0 casualties, would be of at least a little interest to you. Hell, even Vasco da Gama was a high ranking member of this order, although I don't like him much and I think he is overrated, and his accomplishments are, too...
AND another myth is that the Masons are Knights Templar, they are NOT! I am of the bloodline of Knights Templars and Kings of Jerusalem & Levant , but we were never Masonic Lodge people.
@BulgaroSlav So actually I just looked into this. The rules just didn't allow them to marry, so there were ways around it. Also, while majority of the Templars served for life, it was possible to retire, father a child, and have that child grow to be a Knights Templar, rinse a repeat. Templars were human too.
Philip was also way beyond the legal process of the day. For example, torture was prohibited for ecclesiastics, which the Templars were by virtue of their status as monks. The Crown withheld custody of the Templar prisoners from the Pope's agents. This was also prohibited. Secular authorities could only imprison accused heretics at Church request, usually for practical reasons. The Crown conducted the investigation and trials. This was highly irregular. Secular authorities had no jurisdiction here. This should have been an ecclesiastical court. The role of secular authorities during heresy investigations and trials was supportive and subordinate to the Church authorities. They would be invited to help by handling practical matters that Church personnel may have not had the infrastructure to cope with. The Pope repeatedly made demands for the Church's rights in this matter, but was ignored. After DeMoly recanted his confession, which was extracted under torture, Philip sentenced him to burn. He had no legal authority...
We need even a brief docu about whether Renauld de Chateon was a badass or not, considering that he was a prominent figure of the order of the knights templar of his time.
Excellent video! Good historiography always breaks myths and misconceptions about historical facts. I really like your channel and I always recommend it to everyone who wants to learn about the crusades. Indeed, the history of the Templars was terribly misrepresented by baseless interpretations, conspiracy theories and anachronisms. Congratulations for your good work!
God bless you, brother! I'm still trying to explain to my friends and family members that what they see, read and hear about the templars (nowadays) is false and lies. Then I play this video and in the end their mouths are shut. 😁
By the 13th century, support and the general fascination among the populace of European states for crusades in the Holy Land had dried down to a trickle when compared to what it had been +/- 150 years earlier. When Acre, the last Christian city in Levant was about to fall and was urgently requesting help, almost zero support from the European states was sent. By the 14th century heated debates took place at the courts of Europe , where many influential figures, both secular and clerical, were openly calling for the disbandment of the military orders.
Honest Question I've always wondered: How do we know the general misconceptions by medieval Christians about Islam were not to some extent informed by fringe movements within Islam (in other words, that the Christian accounts of Islam weren't totally off their rockers with respect to some of beliefs that today are considered fantasies)
A lot of the medieval interactions between Christendom and the Islamic world happened before the finalization and proliferation of the Quran, so there's a good chance the Muslims had many practices that aren't done today. Apparently many Surahs were lost or altered before even the first edition of the Quran was put together.
If I'm not mistaken, a lot of the Maghrebi soldiers that invaded Iberia in the eighth century were first-generation converts to Islam. I'm sure that some held syncretic beliefs colored by paganism and perhaps Christianity. Some even apostatized and converted to Christianity under local influence, probably spurred by the poor treatment afforded them by the Arabs.
They set up the first trusts, which turned into banks, to fund their activities. And the order became very wealthy. Most of these were in France. There is your reason they were persecuted.
Very true, it is my understanding that pilgrims would deposit their money with the Templars in Europe and they would withdraw money for their needs during the travels and when arriving in Jerusalem. If that is the case this is a very advanced group of men in all ways beyond the piety and military abilities.
Congrats! I hope many people watch this and learn! May I add a point of interest? At 21 minutes (and before) you speak of the Order of the Temple completely dying out and the knights joining the Hospitallers. That's right of course, but in Portugal, the king refused to persecute them and formed the Military Order of Christ, which was the Templars under another name. It is said (I can't prove this) that Henry the Navigator got his money from this order. Whatever the case may be, the Portuguese Air Force still uses the cross (a variant of the Templar cross) and of course, all Portuguese ships during the voyage of discovery had this cross on their sails. Just FYI.
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JSR, (Wonderful video, as always!) What say you about the connections between Rosslyn Chapel and Freemasonry? I too was extremely skeptical of any masonic connection until I started researching Freemasonry in earnest. As a Catholic, (Not judging, I myself am Catholic) do you see yourself as perhaps having a possible confirmation-bias with entertaining the orthodoxy of the Templar? I am admittedly curious as to your thoughts on the matter. - William
Not at all, this is a matter of what the scholars say. There isn't a shred of evidence linking the masons to the Templars. It's up there with flat earth conspiracies in terms of absurdity.
A lot of skeptics believe the templars built the rosslyn chapel because Scotland was an independent kingdom at the time and was the only safe place for the templars. You'll find the logo of the templars in the rosslyn chapel, it shows 2 men riding on a horse.
@@jacobitewiseman3696 Possessive instead of plural (Masons, not Mason's) and "triangle hats" (called tricorne, btw)...I think I'll pass on any input from you. No offense. Normally I wouldn't nitpick about such things but know-it-alls annoy me to no end.
You should do a vid on the order of assassins in the crusades because Ik it has been popularized by assassins creed but there’s a more interesting story to it
Very good video. A question though. I have read in history that as you say the downfall of the Templars was down to money mostly but that when Phillip IV tried to find the money the Templars had after the conviction of heresy it was gone. Is that true ? I don't mean legends of hidden Templar gold but just that the financial gains of shutting them down were not up to expectations ??
Yeah, they had a heads up that the order was coming down and got most of their riches out of France before they were arrested. And a lot of the rank and file members just… disappeared. Like 1200 of the 1800 Templars in France couldn’t be found when the arrests happened.
Templars with money/resources, yes certainly. Templars with magical powers, you're joking right? If the Pope doesn't have secret powers, why would the Templars who fought in the front lines and gets killed.
i have seen historical chastity belts. they can not be worn by a human, and were made by a man knowing very little about the anatomy. perhaps they were made in some puritanic place in some puritanic time where women were not available.
Freemasons are Anti-Christian and have openly disavowed the Knights Templar. Hollywood and Conspiracy Theorists like to Intertwine the two because of theyre “mysterious” nature when there is no evidence that the two are intertwined.
I don't know exactly how old they were, but there were some pretty old chastity belts in a museum in Venice italy. Also, some contraption young men wore to discourage certain states. I don't know if these things were part of the crusades.
I guarantee you that stuff was all probably 20th century, 19th century at the earliest. You'd be amazed how many museum pieces today show things that are supposed to be medieval but are not. Devices like you described simply didn't exist in the medieval world, nor did anyone have the mentality to invent such things.
Can you guys talk about the Spaniards landing on Guam. Or is that not what you guys do? Not forcing you guys just ask, feel free to reject it. Edit: also Rest in peace Brothers of the Knights Templar.
This video was really interesting, I’ve always known that they were innocent of their charges. One thing though I have found evidence that they did survive and went underground, but instead of becoming masons, they became/supported the Protestant reformers through the Waldensians and hussites. Have you heard about this and what do you think?
I find it hard to believe that the strongly Catholic Templars became Protestant supporters when the order was dissolved. It would be a rather radical conversion. Catholicism and Protestantism, in any of its forms, are not reconcilable. I'm not saying it's impossible, I wasn't there, but if it is true, I'm pretty sure it's an isolated case.
@@maximusmetellus9201 One of the accusations against the Templars is that they were adopting the doctrines of the Cathars. The problem is that the Catholic Church destroyed records as they persecuted "heretics." They accused the Albigensians of being "Cathars", but there's evidence that they shared the same beliefs as the Waldensians. If true, they were a proto-Protestant sect, and the Cathars may have been, as well. At the very least,the accusation of being a "Cathar" may mean that the Papal authorities were trying to cover up the actual beliefs of the people they were persecuting. One wonders what history would think of the Hussites had they not been famously proficient fighters.
@@JB-rg8siit’s like the term Arian for every type of Christian who didn’t go along with the Chalcedonian Council’s decisions, despite there being a bunch of different kinds. Athanasius famously called anyone who disagreed with his positions an Arian.
I think people always want the truth to be more cinematic than it really is. They want magic and intrigue, instead of mundane reality. History ought to be a search for the truth, not drama. Also Ridley Scott is a hack, Alien covenant sucked almost as hard as Kingdom of Heaven.
Forgive me for asking so directly, but are you, the poster of these youtube pieces, a member of any of the organizations that claim some form of lineage, be it direct or more tangential or a more inspirational sort of connection, to the original Knights Templars? If so, I would appreciate your help, in the form of more specific education, if you were amenable. Many thanks.
The Groypist Judaic? I’m a bit confused. My stepfather, who has joined a group touting heredity from the Knights Templars, has not said his group had any particular Judaic affiliations. They dress in robes. Wear swords. Their own version of their history speaks mainly of the Knights Templars. One naturally doubts veracity of their narrative. Perhaps there is more to this that you could share?
@@jrneobliviscaris free masons(modern 'templar' groups) have a Christian sect but they will accept any denomination and see God as a greland architect that goes beyond all religions. Very heretical. The only legit group is Hospitalers running charity.
The Groypist Excellent information. Is there any chance you could provide a direct, more specific, link to the Hospitaliers? I only ask because the profusion of groups identifying themselves has made searching for their link rather confounding. Regardless, many thanks!
So who else thinks J. S. Roberts is actually a secret knights templar and is doing all this to spread false information that the Knights Templar are not a super secret organization that have super secrets? He's one of them!
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Let's all remember that Philip IV "The Fair" was referred to as "a body without a soul". I think that more questioned Philip's piety than the Templars' faith.
"Fair" as in beautiful. In french it's Philippe le Bel (from "beau").
He was a welcher who didn't want to pay his debts. And a their. Lol!!!
So much history has been tampered with in these modern confused times. Great video, thanks.
What is history, if not a tale agreed upon? >insert troll face
History contains truth and lies and much more but more than anything it forges the future.
in Portugal the crusaders were not persecuted. the king of Portugal, D. Dinis refused the pope's demand, so many found refugees in Portugal. in Portugal, the order of the temple gives rise to the order of the knights of Christ, who in turn are at the origin of the 15th century Portuguese empire. so ... thanks to King Philip iv of France and the Pope.
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Amen
lol u christians are heretics.. u worhship men instead of god.. real christianity is long gone..
I'm not Catholic, but I am a soldier of Christ. I just want to say thank you for all the effort and detail you put into these videos. It turns out I've always lived by a similar code though I was not educated about the Templars per se. I have ordered books from Barber and Nicholson and I'm excited to look into the history.
I found the biblical parallel between Jesus and the Hospitallers, Templars and Teutons interesting.
The Hospitallers first came solely for service and healing to comfort and save lives as Christ did in His first coming. Then the Templars and Hospitallers militarized due to injustice of pilgrims, just as Christ will return as a conqueror, with a sword on a white horse. Then the Teutons, who seem to me copycats that left the holy land because it was not profitable and, I feel, used the idea of a crusade to conquer where they expected no competition and no challenge from the natives (Prussia). This parallels Christ saying their will be many Antichrists who say they are with God but are not. There's more depth, but you get the idea.
Thanks again! Spiritual lessons in all created things! God bless!
What do you mean, no resistance from the natives in taking over Prussia? They had to fight for that land, and hard.
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"Expected"
Although your motives are certainly sincere and commendable, you can't be a soldier of Christ if you're not a Catholic.
Being a Soldier of Christ implies that one follows Christ in the first place. How can one do that if he's outside his Church ?
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You’re wrong about the German Order, they didn’t ever totally leave the Holyland, they were just needed elsewhere, they worked on crusade fronts as needed. A contingent remained in Jerusalem until it fell to help work as translators for all the German speaking pilgrims going there, which was the entire reason they were founded as an order in the first place. It would be expected that the bulk of their numbers would be sent to the northern front of the crusades, because that’s where they were most needed for their translation abilities. Obviously all the orders were formidable warriors, but the Teutonic Order was very useful when it came to foreigners working with northern Germanic kings in the northern crusades, because the Teutonic Knights were almost all multilingual, with German being their first language, but their abilities in other languages were indispensable to coordinating between the kings up north who could only speak German and the crusaders from elsewhere who couldn’t speak German at all.
Very interesting as usual. John Barbour's (1320-1395 A.D) tale of Robert Bruce(1307-1329 A.D) speaks about the Templars who were given refuge and fought many battles in Scotland's fight for freedom in the early 14th century..
i love your stuff, Deus Vult!
thanks!
You forgot Portugal. THERE ARE HISTORICAL PROOFS. Portugal protected completely the Templar’s. The King Dom Dinis I changed the name of the order to “ Ordem de Cristo” “Christ Order” and all of them kept the same privileges as ever. One of the biggest Monastery and castle of the Templar’s is in Tomar center of Portugal- it still exists and keeps all the structure and original signs. More in the past all the process of foundation of the country was connected with the Templar’s. The first King Dom Afonso Henriques was a Templar or at least pretty much connected. His best friend Gualdin Paes was the Templar’s leader in Portugal. And then on the age of discoveries the main role was taken by the leader of this order of Christ Henry- The Navigator, the prince son of the King. So...the Templar’s have continued in Portugal.
The Templar knights were not holding an 'expanded' territory, but repelling the evil Islamic expansion and reconquering forcefully attained Christian lands by noneother then the Muslims. The Muslims had invaded many a Christian nations and for hundreds of years before the crusades were even birthed. Most of the actual Knight Templars were of Noble birth, but gave up their pampered lives, gave much away, sold their lands and spent their inheritances on their equipment in able to fight. They swore an oath to chastity and to defend the Catholic faith and Christian peasants. Extreme honour should be given to them, as they spearheaded the fight against the evil satanic ideology of Islam. Infact all of Europe would probably have been overrun if not in part for the Templars and their heroism and dedication. Philip IV no doubt has a special spot in hell.
Flagrum I salute you! 100 % agree! I am a Templar , Jerusalem King descendant
Thank You Countess, but I deserve no honour as I am simply a humble servant of God and the truth.
They sold everything huh...I wish i could have the piety these men had..true warriors and martyrs of Christ. God Bless
You people are mental
@@Oneshot-cw5zf I second that motion
I am so fascinated with the Knights of Santiago (both the Spanish and Portuguese versions of the order). I know that after the fall of the Knights Templar a good majority of them entered into the Knights of Santiago. Could you go over the origins of these orders and the differences between the Spanish and Portuguese orders.
Some of the Templars were sheltered in Portugal by King Alfonso .. a new order grew from the Templars called “the order of Christ” but it was the persecuted Templars under a different name with their HQ in Tomar, Portugal ..
@@MixedRaceAndProud1690most of the Templars just disappeared from France and went to other kingdoms that were friendly to them. The Templars were so indispensable in the Reconquista that the Spanish and Portuguese Monarchs offered them refuge and protected them.
Other monarchs did similar things, in the Holy Roman Empire the trials against the Templars acquitted them in two different trials and didn’t even attempt to try most of the rank and file members, quietly offering them the advice to simply become Hospitallers and Teutonic order members or to join any of the other several Catholic Military Orders active within the HRE at the time.
It was highly concentrated in France that the persecution and executions took place.
Philip IV also borrowed a lot of money from the Templars order.
The kingdoms were not sending men to help with the crusades. And the laws of nobility cut down on the amount of knights that were on the front lines...
King Philip IV of France needed money because his father had spent a lot of money on the war against england during the 13th century. Unable to pay his debt to the templars, he accused them of heresy and convince pope clement V(who was a childhood friend of king Philip) to imprison the high ranking members of the templars. Many believe most templars fled to Scotland as it was an independent kingdom at the time and was the safest place in Europe for the templars.
And to the North America…
Portugal too. Military Order of Christ.
They were acquitted of charges in two trials in the Holy Roman Empire.
Depending on the kingdom there were SO many Catholic Chivalric Orders that accepted transferring Knights Templar brothers.
21:21 There actually is a huge evidence about their survival - in Portugal. They were just renamed "the Order of Christ" by King Denis of Portugal in 1319 and played a pivotal role in the Portuguese struggles against Muslims in the Indian Ocean, which eventually resulted in a total Portuguese control over that ocean for about a century and a half. I would appreciate it if you do a research on this topic and make videos about it - it's truly fascinating.
As he pointed out, much of the Templar infrastructure and at least some personnel were redistributed to other orders like the Hospitallers and Teutonic. If they were no longer called “Templars,” then what happened in Portugal would be no different.
@@aop3404 , I know what he said - the survivors were incorporated into already existing orders. What I'm saying is that, in the Portuguese case, the Order of the Knights Templar was completely preserved in all but name: the Templars were not persecuted; the survivors were not integrated into other existing orders; they remained as they were, only under a different name; and they played a crucial role in the Portuguese explorations and discoveries during the 15th and 16th centuries, as well as their battles against Muslims and others in the Indian Ocean. I suggest that you go on and look into this topic - I suppose that a battle between 150 Portuguese and 57000 Indians, in which the Portuguese won with a 0 casualties, would be of at least a little interest to you. Hell, even Vasco da Gama was a high ranking member of this order, although I don't like him much and I think he is overrated, and his accomplishments are, too...
@@andreydragomirov8559 I will look into it, thank you kindly for sharing! Very intriguing
@@andreydragomirov8559 I will look into it, thank you kindly for sharing! Very intriguing
AND another myth is that the Masons are Knights Templar, they are NOT! I am of the bloodline of Knights Templars and Kings of Jerusalem & Levant , but we were never Masonic Lodge people.
Countess Palatine of Burgundy How are you Templar Bloodline if they were celibate?
The Templar’s fled became stonemasons and those stonemasons became the freemasons
@BulgaroSlav
So actually I just looked into this.
The rules just didn't allow them to marry, so there were ways around it.
Also, while majority of the Templars served for life, it was possible to retire, father a child, and have that child grow to be a Knights Templar, rinse a repeat.
Templars were human too.
@@UltimatePowawell yes even if that were true they were no longer Templars. So the bloodline of former templars would be more accurate
JSR pls don't mention the chastity belt myth to my wife. Finally got her to start wearing one with her medival outfit. Lol.
lol
Good one!
Ah yes, go on. :)
that may chaff a tad....on tender parts !!! hope you dont lose the key or a metalworker may have a tricky job getting it off for her.
Philip was also way beyond the legal process of the day. For example, torture was prohibited for ecclesiastics, which the Templars were by virtue of their status as monks. The Crown withheld custody of the Templar prisoners from the Pope's agents. This was also prohibited. Secular authorities could only imprison accused heretics at Church request, usually for practical reasons. The Crown conducted the investigation and trials. This was highly irregular. Secular authorities had no jurisdiction here. This should have been an ecclesiastical court. The role of secular authorities during heresy investigations and trials was supportive and subordinate to the Church authorities. They would be invited to help by handling practical matters that Church personnel may have not had the infrastructure to cope with. The Pope repeatedly made demands for the Church's rights in this matter, but was ignored. After DeMoly recanted his confession, which was extracted under torture, Philip sentenced him to burn. He had no legal authority...
We need even a brief docu about whether Renauld de Chateon was a badass or not, considering that he was a prominent figure of the order of the knights templar of his time.
Excellent video! Good historiography always breaks myths and misconceptions about historical facts. I really like your channel and I always recommend it to everyone who wants to learn about the crusades.
Indeed, the history of the Templars was terribly misrepresented by baseless interpretations, conspiracy theories and anachronisms. Congratulations for your good work!
God bless you, brother! I'm still trying to explain to my friends and family members that what they see, read and hear about the templars (nowadays) is false and lies. Then I play this video and in the end their mouths are shut. 😁
By the 13th century, support and the general fascination among the populace of European states for crusades in the Holy Land had dried down to a trickle when compared to what it had been +/- 150 years earlier. When Acre, the last Christian city in Levant was about to fall and was urgently requesting help, almost zero support from the European states was sent.
By the 14th century heated debates took place at the courts of Europe , where many influential figures, both secular and clerical, were openly calling for the disbandment of the military orders.
Great channel - one of the best. Joy to listen to the truth for a change. Thanks!
Honest Question I've always wondered: How do we know the general misconceptions by medieval Christians about Islam were not to some extent informed by fringe movements within Islam (in other words, that the Christian accounts of Islam weren't totally off their rockers with respect to some of beliefs that today are considered fantasies)
A lot of the medieval interactions between Christendom and the Islamic world happened before the finalization and proliferation of the Quran, so there's a good chance the Muslims had many practices that aren't done today. Apparently many Surahs were lost or altered before even the first edition of the Quran was put together.
If I'm not mistaken, a lot of the Maghrebi soldiers that invaded Iberia in the eighth century were first-generation converts to Islam. I'm sure that some held syncretic beliefs colored by paganism and perhaps Christianity. Some even apostatized and converted to Christianity under local influence, probably spurred by the poor treatment afforded them by the Arabs.
They set up the first trusts, which turned into banks, to fund their activities. And the order became very wealthy. Most of these were in France. There is your reason they were persecuted.
Very true, it is my understanding that pilgrims would deposit their money with the Templars in Europe and they would withdraw money for their needs during the travels and when arriving in Jerusalem. If that is the case this is a very advanced group of men in all ways beyond the piety and military abilities.
Congrats! I hope many people watch this and learn! May I add a point of interest? At 21 minutes (and before) you speak of the Order of the Temple completely dying out and the knights joining the Hospitallers. That's right of course, but in Portugal, the king refused to persecute them and formed the Military Order of Christ, which was the Templars under another name. It is said (I can't prove this) that Henry the Navigator got his money from this order. Whatever the case may be, the Portuguese Air Force still uses the cross (a variant of the Templar cross) and of course, all Portuguese ships during the voyage of discovery had this cross on their sails. Just FYI.
Henry the Navigator was the Grandmaster of the Military Order of Christ, appointed May 25, 1420. What more proof do you really need?
Sometimes I wonder where these Templar myths come from.
Basil II, The Bulgar Slayer And the enlightnement too, i think
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Mostly come from almost 700 years of gossip, hear say and a lot of wishful thinking. All packed in a lot of ignorance. ;-)
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Age of Empire 2, a game, made me believe Crusades were wicked. I'm glad I came to this channel.
Great game
Would you say the Crusade in Spain stayed Mainly on the Plains?
Loved this !
Really interesting 😮
Thanks 😊and God bless
It's always the people who blame you for something are usually the people doing it. This is how the deflect suspicion from themselves.
As a Hughes I just what to say thank you for the video.
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Did I miss it or did you not directly state that Phillip IV cooked up the whole thing in order to seize the Templars treasury - and failed?
You missed it
That's only a part of it.
JSR, (Wonderful video, as always!)
What say you about the connections between Rosslyn Chapel and Freemasonry? I too was extremely skeptical of any masonic connection until I started researching Freemasonry in earnest. As a Catholic, (Not judging, I myself am Catholic) do you see yourself as perhaps having a possible confirmation-bias with entertaining the orthodoxy of the Templar? I am admittedly curious as to your thoughts on the matter.
- William
Not at all, this is a matter of what the scholars say. There isn't a shred of evidence linking the masons to the Templars. It's up there with flat earth conspiracies in terms of absurdity.
Thank you for taking the time to reply; keep up the good work!
A lot of skeptics believe the templars built the rosslyn chapel because Scotland was an independent kingdom at the time and was the only safe place for the templars. You'll find the logo of the templars in the rosslyn chapel, it shows 2 men riding on a horse.
The Mason's are recorded of the 1700s during the triangle hat era.
@@jacobitewiseman3696 Possessive instead of plural (Masons, not Mason's) and "triangle hats" (called tricorne, btw)...I think I'll pass on any input from you. No offense.
Normally I wouldn't nitpick about such things but know-it-alls annoy me to no end.
Thank you for this!! ❤
Any time!
You should do a vid on the order of assassins in the crusades because Ik it has been popularized by assassins creed but there’s a more interesting story to it
Very good video.
A question though. I have read in history that as you say the downfall of the Templars was down to money mostly but that when Phillip IV tried to find the money the Templars had after the conviction of heresy it was gone. Is that true ?
I don't mean legends of hidden Templar gold but just that the financial gains of shutting them down were not up to expectations ??
Yeah, they had a heads up that the order was coming down and got most of their riches out of France before they were arrested. And a lot of the rank and file members just… disappeared. Like 1200 of the 1800 Templars in France couldn’t be found when the arrests happened.
Templars with money/resources, yes certainly. Templars with magical powers, you're joking right?
If the Pope doesn't have secret powers, why would the Templars who fought in the front lines and gets killed.
Great video. Thanks
i have seen historical chastity belts. they can not be worn by a human, and were made by a man knowing very little about the anatomy. perhaps they were made in some puritanic place in some puritanic time where women were not available.
On a different note: How about you make a podcast about Roger de Flor?
Nobody in Freemasonry claims they are the continuation of the Knight Templar, not even Chevalier de Ramsey in his famous oration.
Thank you
It is supposed to be a secret
@@kingstarscream320 people tend to derive that from Ramsey oration, but he never mentions the Templars in it...
Freemasons are Anti-Christian and have openly disavowed the Knights Templar. Hollywood and Conspiracy Theorists like to Intertwine the two because of theyre “mysterious” nature when there is no evidence that the two are intertwined.
Another excellent episode. Well done.
"they were more like modern day marines"
'Rah.
I don't know exactly how old they were, but there were some pretty old chastity belts in a museum in Venice italy. Also, some contraption young men wore to discourage certain states. I don't know if these things were part of the crusades.
I guarantee you that stuff was all probably 20th century, 19th century at the earliest. You'd be amazed how many museum pieces today show things that are supposed to be medieval but are not. Devices like you described simply didn't exist in the medieval world, nor did anyone have the mentality to invent such things.
yeeaah ! and remember Gualdim Pais !
Can you guys talk about the Spaniards landing on Guam.
Or is that not what you guys do? Not forcing you guys just ask, feel free to reject it.
Edit: also Rest in peace Brothers of the Knights Templar.
This video was really interesting, I’ve always known that they were innocent of their charges. One thing though I have found evidence that they did survive and went underground, but instead of becoming masons, they became/supported the Protestant reformers through the Waldensians and hussites.
Have you heard about this and what do you think?
Do you have anything you can link to regarding this?
I find it hard to believe that the strongly Catholic Templars became Protestant supporters when the order was dissolved. It would be a rather radical conversion.
Catholicism and Protestantism, in any of its forms, are not reconcilable.
I'm not saying it's impossible, I wasn't there, but if it is true, I'm pretty sure it's an isolated case.
@@maximusmetellus9201 One of the accusations against the Templars is that they were adopting the doctrines of the Cathars.
The problem is that the Catholic Church destroyed records as they persecuted "heretics." They accused the Albigensians of being "Cathars", but there's evidence that they shared the same beliefs as the Waldensians. If true, they were a proto-Protestant sect, and the Cathars may have been, as well. At the very least,the accusation of being a "Cathar" may mean that the Papal authorities were trying to cover up the actual beliefs of the people they were persecuting.
One wonders what history would think of the Hussites had they not been famously proficient fighters.
@@JB-rg8siit’s like the term Arian for every type of Christian who didn’t go along with the Chalcedonian Council’s decisions, despite there being a bunch of different kinds. Athanasius famously called anyone who disagreed with his positions an Arian.
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Don't forget pope innocent the 3rd i belive
yea good point ..(fart noise)
Hi if you want to start reading abut the crusader do you have recommended on som good book ? 😀
www.realcrusadeshistory.com/reading-list
@@RealCrusadesHistorythx :D
The Order of Christ, search it.
chastity belts have been the myth since forever ago, it isn't a modern myth. Just FYI.
I saw an original chastity belt in the Vatican museum? So are you telling me it's fake?
Reginald Scot whatever you saw was not medieval.
I think those were actually a Renaissance invention.
I think people always want the truth to be more cinematic than it really is. They want magic and intrigue, instead of mundane reality. History ought to be a search for the truth, not drama. Also Ridley Scott is a hack, Alien covenant sucked almost as hard as Kingdom of Heaven.
Very good
Forgive me for asking so directly, but are you, the poster of these youtube pieces, a member of any of the organizations that claim some form of lineage, be it direct or more tangential or a more inspirational sort of connection, to the original Knights Templars? If so, I would appreciate your help, in the form of more specific education, if you were amenable. Many thanks.
Those are all free masonry which is a judaic orginization now.
The Groypist Judaic? I’m a bit confused. My stepfather, who has joined a group touting heredity from the Knights Templars, has not said his group had any particular Judaic affiliations. They dress in robes. Wear swords. Their own version of their history speaks mainly of the Knights Templars. One naturally doubts veracity of their narrative. Perhaps there is more to this that you could share?
@@jrneobliviscaris free masons(modern 'templar' groups) have a Christian sect but they will accept any denomination and see God as a greland architect that goes beyond all religions. Very heretical. The only legit group is Hospitalers running charity.
The Groypist Excellent information. Is there any chance you could provide a direct, more specific, link to the Hospitaliers? I only ask because the profusion of groups identifying themselves has made searching for their link rather confounding. Regardless, many thanks!
@@scouttrooperhh-1487 Not necessarily. There are "modern" templar groups that have nothing to do with masonry.
7:24 exactly !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lmao I just got an anti YPG ad from Turkey before this video. Why.
Edit: 3 minutes in and it’s still going and the narrator sounds like she’s 15......
Why the templars didn't just buy mercenaries with the money they have?
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In those days priests commonly had sexual partners, could you do a study on this in relation to the Templars.
Dude come on, the chastity belt was so real ;) the Templar themselves wore them.... stay woke.
they may have been in the Islamic harems but English ladies never wore them! Only as fetish wear in the Victorian era or the 1970s
😄Ha ha ha ha ha....snickers. Good one Ascalon.😁
So who else thinks J. S. Roberts is actually a secret knights templar and is doing all this to spread false information that the Knights Templar are not a super secret organization that have super secrets?
He's one of them!