Hope everyone has been keeping well and washing their hands! I wish i could have gotten this out earlier for any of you still stuck in quarantine. Still, I'd love to hear some thoughts for future content. I've never played the 2008 Prince of Persia, and knowing how polarising and controversial that title has been, I'm tempted to make that my next focus (while also neatly wrapping up the POP saga until the Sands of Time Remake releases, at least). However, I'm also tempted to go left field with something else: Dishonored, Shadow Warrior, Devil May Cry, or maybe even the 2004 Bards Tale game. Let me know your thoughts!
Maby 1 day you can do a video on the og trilogy of rachet and clank or jack and Daxter. I think thare story are a bit deeper than most people would think.
I really loved Shadow Warrior (2013). The character journey is really good, and I loved the mechanics of sword combat. I think it could make a good video.
PoP 2008 is a bit different from the Sands games, and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts about it. The game's biggest issue is that it doesn't wrap up its story (and the console-exclusive DLC doesn't do a lot to help either).
I’m one of the people that really likes pop 2008 despite it flaws, so I’d be interested in your thoughts. Dishonored and DMC are both great series as well. Really excited for your next video on whichever game you pick!
I've watched all your prince of persha videos and Mears edg video how in God's name do you not have atleest 50k subs is beond me you deserve soo much more bro. Ps I literly watched your prince of persha videos 25x each lol no liy.
I discovered your videos on the series recently and I binged them in 2-3 days.Your analysis on Prince of Persia was so refreshing for a franchise that I grew up with. It is my childhood(a pretty disturbing one since PoP WW was my favorite and still is) and I love it even today. I hope you continue to make these types of reviews for the 2008 reboot, and even the movie, which just like you said, was a pleasant surprise as a solid experience. Keep it up! I hope more people will subscribe to your chanel, and maybe even discover Prince of Persia through these videos.
i recall slightly finishing this game a few years ago - I remember the gameplay being quite enjoyable and the story mostly being dull and redundant - very cool video. I've played all Sands of time games multiple times but this one only once and don't think I'll play it ever again - not that I would not have a good time flying around the maps but there are just too many other games to play out there.
Great video. You did a fantastic job of explaining and exploring your points. I agree with much of it, but still, I feel Forgotton Sands on PS3/360/PC might be the best POP game in the series (maybe on par with POP '08 which I feel is the second or 1rst best). Yeah, the story isn't the best, but the platforming is so much fun. I remember going back and playing Sands of Time after playing FS and being quite bored and missing all the more challenging platforming, puzzles and even more fun combat. I feel that speaks to the game's strengths. Even with a lacklustre story and flaws, its gameplay is strong enough to make it a game I'm glad was made. Also, regarding your point on the Prince regaining health through orbs now instead of water, yes, it's less unique but I'd argue it complements the combat's design now. In past POP games, you both had more defensive options like blocking, but also fewer enemies to deal with. Said enemies also weren't the most challenging to deal with. So it makes sense to have it that health could only be restored at fixed points throughout the world so any damage the player suffers has some consequences in combat. But in FS, since the Player has to fight larger crowds and more frequent bosses, and doesn't have any blocking or parry option, having red orbs is necessary to keep fights more fair. Plus, it encourages going after fodder enemies to regain health if the player gets hurt. Do you have any plans to look at the other versions of POP FS? Because all of them are entirely different to the PC version. The Wii, PSP and DS versions all have entirely different story and gameplay. And I feel it might be interesting to find ways to see all these different pieces and how they could be used to improve each other. For example, the plot of the DS version is that a cult kidnaps the Prince to take his blood for a ceremony to revive a demon using a magical sword. This ceremony gives the Prince amnesia. He later gets this magical sword to find a pretty but kind djinn living in it. As they journey through the game, the djinn tries to tell the Prince about his backstory to which he is skeptical about. In the PSP version, someone is assassinating members of the Persian Royal family. Sharaman tells the Prince to stay locked in his room to keep him safe. But the Prince escapes because he hears this kind blue light asking for help. This light tells him she's a nature spirit and needs his help to take down the fire spirit that wants to assassinate Persian Royal family because of a prophecy that they'll stop him. I kinda feel the PSP version sorta has what you were looking for in the PC's version's story. Because when the Prince is fighting the Fire Spirit, he tells him "You can't run from your fate". Which creates that dramatic irony given what happens with the Prince. And that the water spirit is a constant companion who wants the Prince's help in rescuing the other spirits and is grateful for his help.
Thanks Fraser - appreciate your insight into the genre and franchise. Clearly it means a lot to you! Short answer is I don't see myself playing those Forgotten Sands versions for awhile but I will keep it in mind. For now, I'm focusing on my own writing and chipping at releasing POP 2008 :)
Exactly. The 2008 and Forgotten sands are so different and more relaxed in gameplay. Forgotten sands absolutely nailed it in the fluidity of exploration and still keeping a bit of a challenge. They are very chill games to play :D
Awesome in depth analysis. Been following the longforms for over a year now. Only to add sth to the note that the boss demon in this game speaks Persian language not gibberish. The fact that prince can understand him is backed up by this mean.
Thanks Mario, interesting to learn that in hindsight! Honestly I wouldn’t mind a whole game dubbed in Persian for a more accurate feeling, but no doubt there’s only a small market who’d be interested in that 🧐
@@MikeZach exactly true mate. I'm from Iran and pretty much know my mother tongue. But I can assure you no one here wants a POP game dubbed in persian. It's really awkward the way non-native dubbers speak a specific language. Even on this game in some in-game fights with the demons, they speak - mostly taunting or intimidating - in persian. It's awkward to an extent that I prefer the main language. P.s: Really enjoyed the reviews; You have a good knack for writing. Keep it up mate.
Thanks for this much needed retrospective review. I want to replay this game solely for the acrobatics. The main trilogy has much replay value for its plot tension. And as you pointed out, Forgotten Sands, plotwise has a lesser sense of urgency or tension. Interestingly, I think the PSP version of this game is so much better...
@@MikeZach Thanks for doing awesome reviews! Please consider reviewing the 2008 PoP remake (reimagining?) too. The PSP version of Forgotten sands is basically a side-scroller, which makes the frozen water acrobatics much more fun imo. .
Aria Mohtadi Haghighi I just finished my 2008 playthrough so I hope to have the review out in a week or two. Again, it’s cool to see you watched through the trilogy of reviews the past few days - always fun for me to see when people do that :). Hope it’s a nice December for you!
@@MikeZach Awesome! Can't wait. Oh, I absolutely loved your reviews. It was definitely worth the binge-watch. :) Especially the one for WW, in which you pointed out the flaws and its strengths perfectly. I have a love/hate relationship with the 2008 one. I played it briefly when it came out, and the only addition I enjoyed was Elika, and the Farsi sentences she spoke when saving the Prince (I'm Persian too btw). :D - then I picked it up recently, and now I could play it on better graphic settings. And really had a good time with it. Still don't like the combat, though. Thank you so much! Happy holidays to you in advance. Best wishes from Iran.
I've really enjoyed your reviews on all four games in the prince of persia trilogy. I hope you played and are making a video on the Lost crown. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that game. It might have featured a new prince and setting but I think it has better acrobatics and mechanics than even this game and a very satisfying combat too.
I remember playing PoP Sands of time and warrior within but I have little to no memories of this or Two Thrones even though I know I have played it. The first 2 in the series were quite something else!
I love your videos, and I know you might not see this but perhaps maybe you could look at Primal for PS2? For me it’s a nostalgic treasure from the early 2000’s.
The gameplay elements and parkour especially were interesting... But lol, this reminds me of The Witcher 3, most polished gameplay in the series, but unoriginal narrative that butcher the spirit of previous games. The movie was an atrocity tho, wtf was the point making Vizier into Prince's uncle, the sands of time backstory made hilariously childish and actors chosen... I have one question: If industry nowdays cares that much about racial representation, then why the hell doesn't that apply to say, historical movies, or history inspired fantasy like here. We had our share of irish greeks in alexander the great and scottish spartans in 300. But actually, the one actor that would've fit Prince's role perfectly is the one who player Xerxes in 300, just google that Brazilian guy without the grim, he's got it all, the body, the charms, the dramatic gaze. Especially in the scene where Xerxes is young, that's the Prince of Persia right there
It was quiet a long time since I've played the "main" version of the game, which I have on PC. I barely remember much of it. But I do remember that there was a lot of things I disliked and some things I liked. Freezing water was a nice addition, but other powers wasn't really that interesting for me. Platforming in general reminded me of PoP 2008 and I can't say I like or dislike it. Combat was the biggest disappointment for me. It's satisfying to strike multiple enemies at once and the feedback and sound design is pretty solid, but the mechanics was too simplistic. I really liked blocking and counter, dual wielding and other acrobatics available in previous games. But it is what it is. I liked this game, but generally didn't bother to replay it much. I actually almost completed it twice, but in my second play through I couldn't progress because of some glitch, so my save file was basically corrupted. As of late I rather prefer to play The Forgotten Sands on Wii. And personally I enjoy it quiet a lot. It's not exactly on par with previous games, but it's not exactly a prequel sequel either. Main story is okay, the gameplay is where things gets more interesting. Platforming and puzzles are here and lots of them spiced up with additional powers to complement them. Combat a little more complex compared to PC version, but if you're not a fan of waggling controllers a lot or using Wii controller in general, it will frustrate you. Personally I try to use various moves to spice up the combat and for me it feels just as satisfying as in SoT. And there is secrets like classic potions to unlock costumes and a port of Mac version of original PoP like in console versions of SoT. There is also various challenge maps with various things to do. This game is simply packed with content. I did tried PSP and DS versions, but not for too long to make a proper comment. PSP version seems okay as it plays in 2.5D perspective and uses similar style of Wii version in terms of music and Prince's appearance, but the story is absolutely different. Actually all versions of The Forgotten Sands have different stories, characters and gameplay, only PC and Xbox360/PS3 are the same. And DS version is very very meh. I really wish Ubisoft attempted another reboot with The Forgotten Sands. Gameplay-wise at least as it was clear there is no returning to the way movement and combat worked in old games. Wii version was a very solid game self-contained game like SoT was. I didn't like PoP 2008, so maybe a remake of SoT is what really needed right now to understand in what direction a potential reboot can be taken. Also I did like the movie and I wouldn't mind to see a review of it since a lot of people mostly express negativity of it.
Wait how this didn't get 1 million views Wrong and hate title check Long wrong hating video check Something that could make me quit pop now check Wrong feeling if I decided to play the game (I might feel like its another one ) check I hate youtube algorithm sometimes because it do justice to some videos....
The whole philosophy(if it even has one) of this game is wrong. From the moment you start the game you're greeted with only easy and normal difficulty, not even a greyed out locked "hard" option. And that's my problem with it, difficulty. The story is bland, the fact that they shoehorn this one between sot and ww makes no sense, the score is bland, the combat can be fun at times but once you start using powers you can kiss any form of challenge goodbye, freerunnin gets pretty fun by the end, enemies are bland, the power-related puzzle are solid though. I have to legit manually create my own challenge by keepin away from upgrading. Which is kinda frustating cause there's a good pop game in here.
game was not bad it was ok but the problem was this game was celled prince of persia - and wii and psp version (two diffrent story compared to pc) was really good story driven
This game mechanically slaps. The platforming challenges are fantastic. But the story, locations, look, sound and atmosphere didn't do it for me. The first 3 games and the 2008 reboot each have a distinct tone which I really like, all of them more interesting than what The Forgotten Sands has to offer.
It’s been interesting reading about the wii version - I didn’t even know it existed until starting to research for this video. Crazy to think the better story was pushed to the smaller platform at the time.
MikeZach I think the Wii version benefits from feeling more like a spin-off game compared to how the Xbox/ps3/pc version is supposed to be part of the trilogy. I don’t mean to oversell the story. I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily better, just a preference. It has a more playful/“video-gamey” tone and the prince having a companion to go back-and-forth with much earlier is nice.
I agree with most, but in my opinion the combat that was introduced in warrior within was amazing, loved doing combos and insane moves (overall PoP WW is my fav) and i find the combat in forgotten sands to be complete dog shit. It's very repetitive and booring and your options are quite limited, the extra abilities are basically just buffs to the very limited move set.
My biggest beef with this game is that there is no effort made at all to weave in the Dahaka. Even just a tease at the end or a fleeting bit of dialogue would've done it. Not referencing the Dahaka makes the entire game just *feel* superfluous, which is a shame.
Excellent video my man, these are some of the best video game analyses on youtube. You're really underselling yourself, your content is of an excellent quality and I hope you continue making videos like these. Some points: 1. Your idea of making the story more interesting by having Ratash thinking at first that the Prince is Solomon and helping him because of that makes no sense lore-wise, since Solomon was Ratash's enemy (it's kind of a plot twist when we discover in the game that Solomon's army isn't actually his army in the true sense of that word - it's "his" technically since he possesess them, but that's because he has them locked away - "his" army constists of actually his enemies which Ratash created). I'm surprised you made this mistake since you obviously played the game and are familiar with the story. 2. I don't agree on Forgotten Sands having the hardest challenges in the series, I think that applies to Warrior Within because of its Sand Wraith segments (and arguably some segments before it as well). 3. Your video said that there will be three parts of the analysis, but there isn't a third one (in which you said you'd give your final thoughts etc.). This isn't really a big deal since you already mentioned throughout the video how you would fix the game and you also summarize your thoughts in the "me rambling a thank you" segment. 4. I can't exactly remember the two murals in the fountain place in which you talk with Razia, but I have a memory of recognizing them at the very end of the game, so I think those two murals are like a foreshadowing of what will happen in the story (if I recall correctly in one of them we see the Prince present the Djinn Sword to his father while probably telling him the entire plot of the Forgotten Sands).
Thanks for the detailed feedback mate! Looking back over the series in hindsight, I think most of us can admit it's a pretty casual game without too much challenge. I'd love for the Remaster of SOT or WW to include some added difficulty options, that don't just mean beefing up enemy health bars.
I don't usually comment on videos but I thought I'd comment after hearing what you said towards the end (I feel that you really deserve the praise), I've been watching all of your PoP reviews (over the last two days) and have really enjoyed all of them. I can't say I've ever disagreed with any of the points that you've made either, you clearly know your stuff and really seem to understand what made the franchise so special. Your videos are filled with so much information that they don't feel like hour long videos in the slightest.
It could have benefited the review if the 2008 was done earlier as a lot of mechanical changes in the character movements were taken from the 'prince's' movements from that game
Tbh what made me think this game is trash was the story. If they went a more magical route - where sand and water were two separate entities somewhere the jhin was a cretor of skrts like kaileena and the dahaka being the new monster woyld.have been great and probably would have sold better than a movie preaquel - like why theres a separate sands soldiers army sitting in another castle.... ok
I really enjoyed your Prince of Persia franchise reviews. You make plenty of really good points and it's just so interesting to dig into these games. I hope you'll come back and cover the rest of the games in the series.
28:55 Well actually, those water worlds are created by Kaileena to help the prince in SOT after she died in Two Thrones (idk how), it was explain in the psp version of Two Thrones but idk why they’re exclusive to the psp version only tho
I like to think this is an alternate timeline created by the Warrior Within Prince destroying the sands of time in the bad ending, this Prince has met Farah but he doesn't posses her amulet and I don't believe he outright mentions the Sands of Time themselves, he also seems new to rewinding time in this game.
I am going to, no matter how controversial it may sound, state with confidence that this is my favorite game in the franchise. And it sits nicely next to the three originals in my mind. I completed it a bunch of times compared to sands of time and warrior within (my introduction to the franchise) that I only ever finished once and two thrones never got to finishing. Just like I consider Silent Hill the room a proper 4th installment to the Silent Hill franchise, so I do with Forgotten Sands for the Price of Persia. I also got a little giggle from the film adaptation because Dastan was my headcanon name for the Prince from when he was still unamed, so seeing Ubisoft going with the same name I had in mind was a fun moment.
I’m hoping that the remake game will come out closer to 2023 to coincide with its 20th anniversary and maybe teasing a possibility in remaking WW and TTT and maybe making them better and most consistent with each other and less dated. Would be a welcomed reasons for delay.
I could never finish the game because at some point there was a bug where a door woudnt open when i activated a lever and i was stuck in that room forever. The room was full of monsters.
Great review, I really enjoyed it. Keep it coming. BTW, in 37:22 , Ratash is shouting in Persian, which translates to: “son of solomon, now I’ll have my revenge.” He thinks prince is king solomon’s son. And since prince doesn’t know persian(weird?) , he only understands the name “solomon”.
Thanks Amir! Great insight you have. Like you mentioned, the Prince not understanding Persian leaves us with more questions 😂. I wonder how this would be handled in a Persian dub of the game.
@1stblade yes ancient Persian and modern Persian are very different, but in this game they were just too lazy to make it accurate enough. I can tell they were lazy because they didn’t even bother to cast Persian speakers for the voice overs, Ratash speaks Persian horribly because his voice actor clearly doesn’t speak Persian, the same goes for Razia and few others that speak Persian in the game.
Can't wait for your analysis of DMC i think that story wise there is some intresting things to look after but the gameplay is of course the heart of DMC looking forward to it !
Just wanted to say I love your longform's. Keep at it, its a real nostalgia trip! I'm redownloading the PoP's though I've yet to play Forgotten Sands.
Too kind! Hard to say if Forgotten Sand is worth the whirl, but the rest of the series is always a great trip!
@@MikeZach As for suggestions, Dishonoured is definitely a solid pick, as is Arkane's Prey
I love your style of reviews. Causal and relaxing, whilst really informative!
I just can't express how happy I am
I just hope you enjoyed!
No you can't sod off
Hope everyone has been keeping well and washing their hands! I wish i could have gotten this out earlier for any of you still stuck in quarantine. Still, I'd love to hear some thoughts for future content.
I've never played the 2008 Prince of Persia, and knowing how polarising and controversial that title has been, I'm tempted to make that my next focus (while also neatly wrapping up the POP saga until the Sands of Time Remake releases, at least). However, I'm also tempted to go left field with something else: Dishonored, Shadow Warrior, Devil May Cry, or maybe even the 2004 Bards Tale game. Let me know your thoughts!
Maby 1 day you can do a video on the og trilogy of rachet and clank or jack and Daxter. I think thare story are a bit deeper than most people would think.
I really loved Shadow Warrior (2013). The character journey is really good, and I loved the mechanics of sword combat. I think it could make a good video.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the DMC series
PoP 2008 is a bit different from the Sands games, and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts about it. The game's biggest issue is that it doesn't wrap up its story (and the console-exclusive DLC doesn't do a lot to help either).
I’m one of the people that really likes pop 2008 despite it flaws, so I’d be interested in your thoughts. Dishonored and DMC are both great series as well. Really excited for your next video on whichever game you pick!
I've watched all your prince of persha videos and Mears edg video how in God's name do you not have atleest 50k subs is beond me you deserve soo much more bro. Ps I literly watched your prince of persha videos 25x each lol no liy.
When will we see Prince of Persia 2008 longform?
Bro, I discovered your PoP videos yesterday, subscribed, and today you just upload this one. Gonna enjoy it for sure ;)
Thanks Marco! Sorry to report the next wait will be longer than a day 😂
I discovered your videos on the series recently and I binged them in 2-3 days.Your analysis on Prince of Persia was so refreshing for a franchise that I grew up with. It is my childhood(a pretty disturbing one since PoP WW was my favorite and still is) and I love it even today. I hope you continue to make these types of reviews for the 2008 reboot, and even the movie, which just like you said, was a pleasant surprise as a solid experience. Keep it up! I hope more people will subscribe to your chanel, and maybe even discover Prince of Persia through these videos.
i recall slightly finishing this game a few years ago - I remember the gameplay being quite enjoyable and the story mostly being dull and redundant - very cool video. I've played all Sands of time games multiple times but this one only once and don't think I'll play it ever again - not that I would not have a good time flying around the maps but there are just too many other games to play out there.
Great video. You did a fantastic job of explaining and exploring your points.
I agree with much of it, but still, I feel Forgotton Sands on PS3/360/PC might be the best POP game in the series (maybe on par with POP '08 which I feel is the second or 1rst best). Yeah, the story isn't the best, but the platforming is so much fun. I remember going back and playing Sands of Time after playing FS and being quite bored and missing all the more challenging platforming, puzzles and even more fun combat. I feel that speaks to the game's strengths. Even with a lacklustre story and flaws, its gameplay is strong enough to make it a game I'm glad was made.
Also, regarding your point on the Prince regaining health through orbs now instead of water, yes, it's less unique but I'd argue it complements the combat's design now. In past POP games, you both had more defensive options like blocking, but also fewer enemies to deal with. Said enemies also weren't the most challenging to deal with. So it makes sense to have it that health could only be restored at fixed points throughout the world so any damage the player suffers has some consequences in combat. But in FS, since the Player has to fight larger crowds and more frequent bosses, and doesn't have any blocking or parry option, having red orbs is necessary to keep fights more fair. Plus, it encourages going after fodder enemies to regain health if the player gets hurt.
Do you have any plans to look at the other versions of POP FS? Because all of them are entirely different to the PC version. The Wii, PSP and DS versions all have entirely different story and gameplay. And I feel it might be interesting to find ways to see all these different pieces and how they could be used to improve each other.
For example, the plot of the DS version is that a cult kidnaps the Prince to take his blood for a ceremony to revive a demon using a magical sword. This ceremony gives the Prince amnesia. He later gets this magical sword to find a pretty but kind djinn living in it. As they journey through the game, the djinn tries to tell the Prince about his backstory to which he is skeptical about.
In the PSP version, someone is assassinating members of the Persian Royal family. Sharaman tells the Prince to stay locked in his room to keep him safe. But the Prince escapes because he hears this kind blue light asking for help. This light tells him she's a nature spirit and needs his help to take down the fire spirit that wants to assassinate Persian Royal family because of a prophecy that they'll stop him.
I kinda feel the PSP version sorta has what you were looking for in the PC's version's story. Because when the Prince is fighting the Fire Spirit, he tells him "You can't run from your fate". Which creates that dramatic irony given what happens with the Prince. And that the water spirit is a constant companion who wants the Prince's help in rescuing the other spirits and is grateful for his help.
Thanks Fraser - appreciate your insight into the genre and franchise. Clearly it means a lot to you!
Short answer is I don't see myself playing those Forgotten Sands versions for awhile but I will keep it in mind. For now, I'm focusing on my own writing and chipping at releasing POP 2008 :)
@@MikeZach Ah well, I'll be looking forward if you ever do decide to look at those other versions.
So, how are you finding POP 08 so far?
Exactly. The 2008 and Forgotten sands are so different and more relaxed in gameplay. Forgotten sands absolutely nailed it in the fluidity of exploration and still keeping a bit of a challenge. They are very chill games to play :D
33:32 minutes Pharah and warrior within
Keep creating good content, i love all of your PoP (and other) videos
Awesome in depth analysis. Been following the longforms for over a year now.
Only to add sth to the note that the boss demon in this game speaks Persian language not gibberish. The fact that prince can understand him is backed up by this mean.
Thanks Mario, interesting to learn that in hindsight! Honestly I wouldn’t mind a whole game dubbed in Persian for a more accurate feeling, but no doubt there’s only a small market who’d be interested in that 🧐
@@MikeZach exactly true mate.
I'm from Iran and pretty much know my mother tongue. But I can assure you no one here wants a POP game dubbed in persian.
It's really awkward the way non-native dubbers speak a specific language.
Even on this game in some in-game fights with the demons, they speak - mostly taunting or intimidating - in persian. It's awkward to an extent that I prefer the main language.
P.s: Really enjoyed the reviews; You have a good knack for writing. Keep it up mate.
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Thanks for this much needed retrospective review. I want to replay this game solely for the acrobatics. The main trilogy has much replay value for its plot tension. And as you pointed out, Forgotten Sands, plotwise has a lesser sense of urgency or tension.
Interestingly, I think the PSP version of this game is so much better...
Thanks for watching Aria! It’s a shame that’s so often repeated - hope to try one day even if I’m not able to record it.
@@MikeZach Thanks for doing awesome reviews! Please consider reviewing the 2008 PoP remake (reimagining?) too.
The PSP version of Forgotten sands is basically a side-scroller, which makes the frozen water acrobatics much more fun imo. .
Aria Mohtadi Haghighi I just finished my 2008 playthrough so I hope to have the review out in a week or two. Again, it’s cool to see you watched through the trilogy of reviews the past few days - always fun for me to see when people do that :). Hope it’s a nice December for you!
@@MikeZach Awesome! Can't wait. Oh, I absolutely loved your reviews. It was definitely worth the binge-watch. :) Especially the one for WW, in which you pointed out the flaws and its strengths perfectly.
I have a love/hate relationship with the 2008 one. I played it briefly when it came out, and the only addition I enjoyed was Elika, and the Farsi sentences she spoke when saving the Prince (I'm Persian too btw). :D - then I picked it up recently, and now I could play it on better graphic settings. And really had a good time with it. Still don't like the combat, though.
Thank you so much! Happy holidays to you in advance. Best wishes from Iran.
I've really enjoyed your reviews on all four games in the prince of persia trilogy. I hope you played and are making a video on the Lost crown. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that game. It might have featured a new prince and setting but I think it has better acrobatics and mechanics than even this game and a very satisfying combat too.
I remember playing PoP Sands of time and warrior within but I have little to no memories of this or Two Thrones even though I know I have played it. The first 2 in the series were quite something else!
It would've been cool if the Prince had the eagle sword from Warrior Within as his main weapon
I really like your long native review
Glad to hear it Rafid :)
I love your videos, and I know you might not see this but perhaps maybe you could look at Primal for PS2? For me it’s a nostalgic treasure from the early 2000’s.
Glad you enjoyed Fruit Roll Up! More to come soon. Sadly it seems Primal isn’t available on PC - shame because it looks interesting from the wiki!
@@MikeZach perhaps maybe mafia 1 or something from that era but thanks for responding.
The gameplay elements and parkour especially were interesting... But lol, this reminds me of The Witcher 3, most polished gameplay in the series, but unoriginal narrative that butcher the spirit of previous games. The movie was an atrocity tho, wtf was the point making Vizier into Prince's uncle, the sands of time backstory made hilariously childish and actors chosen... I have one question: If industry nowdays cares that much about racial representation, then why the hell doesn't that apply to say, historical movies, or history inspired fantasy like here. We had our share of irish greeks in alexander the great and scottish spartans in 300.
But actually, the one actor that would've fit Prince's role perfectly is the one who player Xerxes in 300, just google that Brazilian guy without the grim, he's got it all, the body, the charms, the dramatic gaze. Especially in the scene where Xerxes is young, that's the Prince of Persia right there
The man's name is Rodrigo Santoro and he is one of our best!
It was quiet a long time since I've played the "main" version of the game, which I have on PC. I barely remember much of it. But I do remember that there was a lot of things I disliked and some things I liked. Freezing water was a nice addition, but other powers wasn't really that interesting for me. Platforming in general reminded me of PoP 2008 and I can't say I like or dislike it. Combat was the biggest disappointment for me. It's satisfying to strike multiple enemies at once and the feedback and sound design is pretty solid, but the mechanics was too simplistic. I really liked blocking and counter, dual wielding and other acrobatics available in previous games. But it is what it is. I liked this game, but generally didn't bother to replay it much. I actually almost completed it twice, but in my second play through I couldn't progress because of some glitch, so my save file was basically corrupted.
As of late I rather prefer to play The Forgotten Sands on Wii. And personally I enjoy it quiet a lot. It's not exactly on par with previous games, but it's not exactly a prequel sequel either. Main story is okay, the gameplay is where things gets more interesting. Platforming and puzzles are here and lots of them spiced up with additional powers to complement them. Combat a little more complex compared to PC version, but if you're not a fan of waggling controllers a lot or using Wii controller in general, it will frustrate you. Personally I try to use various moves to spice up the combat and for me it feels just as satisfying as in SoT. And there is secrets like classic potions to unlock costumes and a port of Mac version of original PoP like in console versions of SoT. There is also various challenge maps with various things to do. This game is simply packed with content.
I did tried PSP and DS versions, but not for too long to make a proper comment. PSP version seems okay as it plays in 2.5D perspective and uses similar style of Wii version in terms of music and Prince's appearance, but the story is absolutely different. Actually all versions of The Forgotten Sands have different stories, characters and gameplay, only PC and Xbox360/PS3 are the same. And DS version is very very meh.
I really wish Ubisoft attempted another reboot with The Forgotten Sands. Gameplay-wise at least as it was clear there is no returning to the way movement and combat worked in old games. Wii version was a very solid game self-contained game like SoT was. I didn't like PoP 2008, so maybe a remake of SoT is what really needed right now to understand in what direction a potential reboot can be taken.
Also I did like the movie and I wouldn't mind to see a review of it since a lot of people mostly express negativity of it.
Great review man🔥🔥
Wait how this didn't get 1 million views
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I hate youtube algorithm sometimes because it do justice to some videos....
The whole philosophy(if it even has one) of this game is wrong. From the moment you start the game you're greeted with only easy and normal difficulty, not even a greyed out locked "hard" option. And that's my problem with it, difficulty. The story is bland, the fact that they shoehorn this one between sot and ww makes no sense, the score is bland, the combat can be fun at times but once you start using powers you can kiss any form of challenge goodbye, freerunnin gets pretty fun by the end, enemies are bland, the power-related puzzle are solid though. I have to legit manually create my own challenge by keepin away from upgrading. Which is kinda frustating cause there's a good pop game in here.
Interesting - never even thought about self-imposed challenges. A shame that it feels necessary, since the powers are what makes the combat bareable.
game was not bad it was ok but the problem was this game was celled prince of persia - and wii and psp version (two diffrent story compared to pc) was really good story driven
You really should play/review the Max Payne games
I’ll add it to my Steam wishlist and grab it on sale 😎
Lol Ratash isn't speaking gibberish, he is speaking modern day Persian! All of the words not in English in this game are in Persian.
HAHA the shade thrown to that JK Rowling tweet ^__^
Please review the movie!!!
The end (you can not change destiny)
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@@MikeZach So am I! (tell no one)
The game is cool on psp.... For PC... It's a meh... The combat sucks a bit, but the enemies are SO ANNOYING!!!!
This series deserves more videos like this. Quality presentation.
This game mechanically slaps. The platforming challenges are fantastic. But the story, locations, look, sound and atmosphere didn't do it for me. The first 3 games and the 2008 reboot each have a distinct tone which I really like, all of them more interesting than what The Forgotten Sands has to offer.
I played the PS3 and Wii versions, and vastly prefer the Wii version.
Agreed, the Wii version is really good. Nice, lighthearted story and some really satisfying platforming
It’s been interesting reading about the wii version - I didn’t even know it existed until starting to research for this video. Crazy to think the better story was pushed to the smaller platform at the time.
MikeZach I think the Wii version benefits from feeling more like a spin-off game compared to how the Xbox/ps3/pc version is supposed to be part of the trilogy.
I don’t mean to oversell the story. I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily better, just a preference. It has a more playful/“video-gamey” tone and the prince having a companion to go back-and-forth with much earlier is nice.
YES!!! Saying i love your longform reviews is an understatement. Especially regarding Prince of Persia
I agree with most, but in my opinion the combat that was introduced in warrior within was amazing, loved doing combos and insane moves (overall PoP WW is my fav) and i find the combat in forgotten sands to be complete dog shit. It's very repetitive and booring and your options are quite limited, the extra abilities are basically just buffs to the very limited move set.
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My biggest beef with this game is that there is no effort made at all to weave in the Dahaka. Even just a tease at the end or a fleeting bit of dialogue would've done it. Not referencing the Dahaka makes the entire game just *feel* superfluous, which is a shame.
Ever thought about doing story analysis for more story heavy series like Final fantasy and witcher?
I love your reviews man, you deserve more subs, are u gonna review the remake?
Excellent video my man, these are some of the best video game analyses on youtube. You're really underselling yourself, your content is of an excellent quality and I hope you continue making videos like these.
Some points:
1. Your idea of making the story more interesting by having Ratash thinking at first that the Prince is Solomon and helping him because of that makes no sense lore-wise, since Solomon was Ratash's enemy (it's kind of a plot twist when we discover in the game that Solomon's army isn't actually his army in the true sense of that word - it's "his" technically since he possesess them, but that's because he has them locked away - "his" army constists of actually his enemies which Ratash created). I'm surprised you made this mistake since you obviously played the game and are familiar with the story.
2. I don't agree on Forgotten Sands having the hardest challenges in the series, I think that applies to Warrior Within because of its Sand Wraith segments (and arguably some segments before it as well).
3. Your video said that there will be three parts of the analysis, but there isn't a third one (in which you said you'd give your final thoughts etc.). This isn't really a big deal since you already mentioned throughout the video how you would fix the game and you also summarize your thoughts in the "me rambling a thank you" segment.
4. I can't exactly remember the two murals in the fountain place in which you talk with Razia, but I have a memory of recognizing them at the very end of the game, so I think those two murals are like a foreshadowing of what will happen in the story (if I recall correctly in one of them we see the Prince present the Djinn Sword to his father while probably telling him the entire plot of the Forgotten Sands).
Thanks for the detailed feedback mate! Looking back over the series in hindsight, I think most of us can admit it's a pretty casual game without too much challenge. I'd love for the Remaster of SOT or WW to include some added difficulty options, that don't just mean beefing up enemy health bars.
Review the movie
I don't usually comment on videos but I thought I'd comment after hearing what you said towards the end (I feel that you really deserve the praise), I've been watching all of your PoP reviews (over the last two days) and have really enjoyed all of them. I can't say I've ever disagreed with any of the points that you've made either, you clearly know your stuff and really seem to understand what made the franchise so special. Your videos are filled with so much information that they don't feel like hour long videos in the slightest.
Thanks Woods, hope you’re here for POP 2009 in a few weeks!
@@MikeZach I'll definitely be there, been subbed for a few weeks now. Also, I couldn't help but noticed that you're subbed to some OSRS channels!
I absolutely love your review about this franchise, now will wait for Prince of Persia 2008.
Thanks Jainam - I’ll return to 2008 by the end of the year!
It could have benefited the review if the 2008 was done earlier as a lot of mechanical changes in the character movements were taken from the 'prince's' movements from that game
Tbh what made me think this game is trash was the story. If they went a more magical route - where sand and water were two separate entities somewhere the jhin was a cretor of skrts like kaileena and the dahaka being the new monster woyld.have been great and probably would have sold better than a movie preaquel - like why theres a separate sands soldiers army sitting in another castle.... ok
When I was a kid I went through the entire game without using any of the magic abilities because I didn’t know how to 😂
Hey man, don't know if you'll upload anymore, but I really enjoyed your views on the POP series. hope you are doing well.
i still think this game is underrated in my opinion
And maybe most important part spoiling pretty much maybe maybe MOST OF THE GAME WITHOUT I HEAR THAT YOU WILL SPOIL check
I’ve been waiting for this video
Thank you🔥
Love your vids!
I really enjoyed your Prince of Persia franchise reviews. You make plenty of really good points and it's just so interesting to dig into these games. I hope you'll come back and cover the rest of the games in the series.
28:55 Well actually, those water worlds are created by Kaileena to help the prince in SOT after she died in Two Thrones (idk how), it was explain in the psp version of Two Thrones but idk why they’re exclusive to the psp version only tho
In warrior within prince was kaileena’s ultimate enemy, why would she help him in SOT?
@@amirparsi4165 She help him after she died in TT, not while she was alive in WW
But TFS takes place in between SOT and WW... So how do it work if Kaileena created these worlds only in T2T?
@@Stepanthecrab I'm pretty sure the whole timeline loops around two or three times
I like to think this is an alternate timeline created by the Warrior Within Prince destroying the sands of time in the bad ending, this Prince has met Farah but he doesn't posses her amulet and I don't believe he outright mentions the Sands of Time themselves, he also seems new to rewinding time in this game.
Good video , you gained a sub. Looking for more content from you.
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This channel is criminally underrated. How can someone who produces content of this quality have only 1k subs!?
Just watching your footage at the start and seeing the water freezing mechanic was quite interesting. Can't believe it wasn't done in the other games.
Genuinely such a highlight. Would love to see it introduced in future iterations if the franchise is expanded.
Persians and Arabs are different!
Trust me, it's still way better than the Wii version.
I am going to, no matter how controversial it may sound, state with confidence that this is my favorite game in the franchise. And it sits nicely next to the three originals in my mind. I completed it a bunch of times compared to sands of time and warrior within (my introduction to the franchise) that I only ever finished once and two thrones never got to finishing. Just like I consider Silent Hill the room a proper 4th installment to the Silent Hill franchise, so I do with Forgotten Sands for the Price of Persia.
I also got a little giggle from the film adaptation because Dastan was my headcanon name for the Prince from when he was still unamed, so seeing Ubisoft going with the same name I had in mind was a fun moment.
You may well be alone in the world with this view, but at least you got to enjoy the best acrobatics and late-game combat out of the series!
Will you review the Prince of Persia 2008 game? I think its the weirdest.
Definitely - I’m intrigued by the premise. I’d say by early 2022 I will have played through it. I just have a few videos I hope to make before then!
Please review the POP 2010 film 🥺
I’m hoping that the remake game will come out closer to 2023 to coincide with its 20th anniversary and maybe teasing a possibility in remaking WW and TTT and maybe making them better and most consistent with each other and less dated. Would be a welcomed reasons for delay.
17:47 bruh
I could never finish the game because at some point there was a bug where a door woudnt open when i activated a lever and i was stuck in that room forever. The room was full of monsters.
😂❤❤
Well. The Remake is looking to release next year :(
Shouldn’t the Dahaka be in this game?
Would have loved to see it at the end!
Nice video. So when is video about another The Forgotten Sands?
Great review, I really enjoyed it. Keep it coming.
BTW, in 37:22 , Ratash is shouting in Persian, which translates to: “son of solomon, now I’ll have my revenge.”
He thinks prince is king solomon’s son. And since prince doesn’t know persian(weird?) , he only understands the name “solomon”.
Thanks Amir! Great insight you have. Like you mentioned, the Prince not understanding Persian leaves us with more questions 😂. I wonder how this would be handled in a Persian dub of the game.
@@MikeZach yeah, they could’ve done better😂
@1stblade
yes ancient Persian and modern Persian are very different, but in this game they were just too lazy to make it accurate enough.
I can tell they were lazy because they didn’t even bother to cast Persian speakers for the voice overs, Ratash speaks Persian horribly because his voice actor clearly doesn’t speak Persian, the same goes for Razia and few others that speak Persian in the game.
@@amirparsi4165 im russian and they do it to russian speaking characters in all games everytime, lol. So I understand the struggle
BIG UPS ZACH glad you are back on the game also i recommend you try to play the wii version of forgotten sands it can easily compare to the trilogy
Thanks Dante! I’ve never owner a Wii in my life so that’d be a while off - certainly until after I’d looked at the DMC games!
Can't wait for your analysis of DMC i think that story wise there is some intresting things to look after but the gameplay is of course the heart of DMC looking forward to it !