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- This video is a corrected version of my original "Using (and abusing) the Ring Tool" which had an audio problem towards the end.
In my two previous videos (Making the Bit and Shaft • Woodturning: Making a ... , Making the Handle • Woodturning: Making a ... ), I made a ring tool (also known as a termite tool). In this video, I test it out on end grain turnings (like vases), and cross-grain turnings (like bowls). The results are surprising, at least to me.
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Rick - thanks for a very informative video. I appreciate the big effort to give many different camera angles. Interesting comparison to another review video for the same tool that concluded it was worthless. As with all tools, a good part of the result is in the hands of the user. Gaining experience and a
willingness to learn the peculiarities of any new tool are key to success! My ring tool is arriving today and I am so pleased to have had the chance to benefit from your video before I ever put the edge to the wood!
I saw that review too. He definitely didn't like the ring tool. But I wanted to try it out, and I wanted to make a tool too. I hope you like your ring tool as much as I like mine. Thanks for watching and for your comments, Tom.
Rick - Just watched AGAIN. Now I have some ring tool experience. Had a couple of catches while learning the correct angle of attack. Very helpful to HEAR the tool cutting on both wet and dry wood. Back to the shop!!!
Thanks for watching, Tom.
Wow, Rick, that was a great demo...I love my ring tool, but I never thought about using it on the outside of a bowl!
Thank you, Carol. I plan to use this tool a lot.
It was really good to see your creation in action, Rick. If I remember right, when I first noticed these 30-40 years ago they were promoted as a hollowing tool, especially for end grain. Your demonstration shows they are good for about any grain orientation. Anything that helps with grain tear-out seems like a win! Nice job on the video, buddy!
Phil
Thanks for watching and for your comments, Phil. I’d seen these tools around for some time, but never got around to trying one out. When I realized you could buy just the bit, that made up my mind.
The Oneway Termite is one of my favorite tools. I have one of the first ones Oneway put on the market and I have worn out & replaced several of the steel rings. The one thing I disagree with involves your sharpening. I bought a dedicated, inexpensive benchtop router table that I use ONLY to sharpen these bits. I also use their circular bit-holder to hold the tool level on the router table, while rotating the bit on the cone. This leaves a perfectly - angled surface on the inside of the bit. Oneway also offers different sizes of circular cutting bits. I recommend getting and using the entire set. The Termite is my favorite freehand hollowing tool. If you'll cut the bottom of a bowl, box or base perfectly flat and then simply draw-cut from the bottom to the top of the vessel (without changing from the 1 o'clock position) you will get the perfect wall cut that you have on the bottom.
Sounds like you’ve got a really good way of sharpening. If I had a router and table, that’s what I’d be doing too. Thanks for watching!
Seen this tool in the catalogue and never considered it before. Might be worth getting one to try a few pieces with. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching, Ray. I really like this tool. I just made a second one, using the next larger size bit. It works great too.
Very Nice job on the tool and thanks for the demo 🤝 I’m gonna have to get one of those!
I love it! You’ll see more of the ring tool in action on my next video, where I finish the poplar bowl that’s been drying while I did the ring tool videos. Thanks for watching, Kimsey.
That was interesting Rick, I enjoyed it. If this were made with a square shank where the ring would automatically sit at "1 O'clock", when the shank was on the tool rest it would be much better for newer turners. Thank for sharing.
That’s a very good idea, Klondike. I did that with my dedicated shear scraper, and it would work well here also. Thanks for the suggestion.
Hi Rick, That is one very impressive tool. The result on end grain is amazing. Tear out on end grain is something we have to endure. I would have to weigh the the pros and cons before investing in one though. Great video Rick and I look forward to seeing you use it in upcoming projects. Take care Rick. Cheers, Huw PS I have just looked on line and I can buy, here in the UK, a Robert Sorby 1/2" Ring Tool with a handle for £36 or $46 which seems a great price. Huw
That seems like an extremely good price, Huw!
Thanks for showing that in such detailed views. I may have to put that on my Christmas list. 🙂
Thanks for watching, Scenic.
Ooh, the sequel has better technology but remains faithful to the original. I give it 5 stars also⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Stay safe. -Mike😷
Thanks much, Mike!
Thank you for a good, honest video. Stay safe.
Thanks for watching, Peter.
Yeah, I want one. That lack of tear-out is great.
I’ve been very impressed with this tool. I’ve used it a few more times since I published this video, and it is amazing on preventing tear-out. Thanks for watching, Fred.
Now I know what I was doing wrong. Thanks, Rick
Thanks for watching, Paul.
WHAT DID YOU SAY RICK??? I DID NOT HEAR ANY AUDIO ERROR..Oh wait I need to turn my speakers on..lol
Either way I enjoyed the other version the say it was. Perhaps I will have to give one of these a try myself. If it helps turning end grain Black Locust I am all for it.
Take care,
Gary
LOL! This tool works great on end grain. Thanks for watching, Gary.
Great review Rick. Thank you! I'm just curious if when cutting the inside (sides of the bowl) if it wouldn't be better cutting in reverse. It would definitely keep the bar out of the way...
I think you’re right about running in reverse. But that chuck I was using did not have a set screw on the collar to secure it when running in reverse, so I didn’t try that out. Thanks for the suggestion, Mike.
Interesting, Rick, even though I don't do turning, I still enjoy your tool videos. When you first started turning the wet blank, it remined me of a spoon bit. You should go ahead and block the camera and show the cut results that way. Maybe in a future video. Take care.
Bill
I’m not sure what you mean by “block the camera”, Bill. I’m all for any camera techniques that will show things more clearly. Could you elaborate?
@@RickTurnsWoodturning You said you couldn't get a good cut because of the way you had to hold the tool so you didn't block the camera. If you held the tool for a better cut and blocked the camera for a short time, we could see the best cut available. Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks, Bill. I thought there was some really cool video technique that I was missing! Good idea about getting the best cut to show.
Thanks for the video, Rick! I've wondered a couple things about the termite tool that you answered for me... 1. Can I use the other side of the ring to cut? and 2. What's the best way to sharpen without dragging out my router table? Do you have or have you ever used a hook tool? That's what I've been eyeing lately...
Hi, Chad. Glad my video helped you out. I’ve never used a hook tool. The videos I’ve seen of turners using a hook tool make it look like a hook tool is even better than a ring tool, since there’s not much chance of the tool getting clogged with shavings. If you get one, I hope you’ll do a video on it - I’d be very interested.
Thanks for this detailed explanation of this tool.🙏
Do you expect to use this tool often or is it more of a tool that picks you up when other favorites tools can't help you?
For me as a beginner woodturner I think it is still too difficult to use🤔. I hope to see this one more often in one of your videos.
Take care. Frank.
I do expect to use it quite a bit, in hollowing and on the interior of bowls. Thanks for watching, Frank.
nice review. did you get any catches? I've heard these like to do that.
Yes, I did - I showed a catch on camera. But I did it deliberately. While turning with the bit held nearly vertically, I did not encounter any problems. Thanks for watching, Ruben.
Hi Rick -- thanks for the demo video on how to use a ring tool, and nice job making it. Do you think it would work well to hollow out the bowl of a goblet? Or would it be too tight a space with too much curvature?
I think it would work just fine. My latest project (th-cam.com/video/E-5ur2JkuuA/w-d-xo.html) was a vase with a diameter that varied from 4 to 5 inches, and I had no trouble at all using a 5/8” ring tool. The ring tool demonstrated in this video is a 1/2” bit which would work easily in small diameters.
Hi Rick, nice video, thank you. The tool seems to do a reasonable job. From the video, it looks like you should be able to get the same cuts using standard tools. Spindle gouge in endgrain working from the centre out, skew on the long grain when spindle turning and bottom feeder bowl gouge for inside of the bowl.....and now for something contentious...the roughing gouge for finish cut on the outside of the bowl (Robbo Hippy demonstrates in one of his videos). Is the ring better than the properly sharpened tools I referenced, or is it just a very good jack of all trades so easier to use just the one tool? Keep well, Rob
Hi, Rob. Thanks for your comments. I love this tool, but I probably will only use it for finishing work on bowl interiors (where end grain is a problem), and for deep hollowing in vases.
@@RickTurnsWoodturning Thanks for replying Rick, I recently made a deep hollowing tool but am waiting for my vase to dry some more. before continuing. Acquiring more tools is addictive. Keep well, Rob.
Watched twice,thumbs -up twice!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😂
Thanks for watching twice, Alan!
Looks great 👍 I think bowl gouge would be faster
You're right, a bowl gouge is faster. This isn't a tool for stock removal, so much as it is a tool for getting a tear-out-free cut. Thanks for watching, MV.
Good gawd. Very slow to use, and isn't this tool primarily used to hollow out end grain?
Seems like a tamed version of a Russian Hook Tool. But still it has really good cutting properties.
Thanks for testing & sharing all this.
Thanks for watching, Leo. Yes, I think it’s pretty much the same as a hook tool, at least the ones I’ve seen.
I'll have to make one of those...
It’s fun to make and fun to use. Thanks for watching, Manic.
looks like it works ok . bet its good for hollowing .
I just finished a deep vase (12") that I hollowed using only this termite tool - it works great! Thanks for watching.
Interesting, i'd like to compare it to a simon hope hollowing tool or something similar
I haven’t seen a Simon Hope hollowing tool - that would be in England, wouldn’t it? Sounds interesting. Thanks for watching, Mart.
How well does that tool perform with epoxy impregnated wood?
No idea! I’ve never had any epoxy impregnated wood.
Excellent , mais l affutage se fait il aussi a l extérieur de l anneau?
l'affûtage se fait à l'intérieur de l'anneau à l'aide d'une meule conique dans un outil rotatif
Merci !
How does the saying go? Tearout hath no fury like a wet piece of soft maple?
LOL! Thanks for watching, Mik.
Is it as small as it looks
The cutting part of the bit is about 1/2” in diameter. I was a bit concerned when I first saw it, but it was quite easy to use, even though it isn’t very large. Thanks for watching, Jeff.
Not intended for side grain.
Yes, I've heard that too. However, it does a fairly good job that way. It's not going to replace my gouge for the outside of bowls, but it is occasionally useful in the bottom of a bowl. Thanks for watching and commenting, Brad.
Like many, you are using the tool upside down. At the beginning, twist that tool by 180 degrees, and ride the bevel. The aggressive edge you are using is for the bottom or for going deep where it is not possible to use the bevel. Used correctly, that small bowl can be hollowed with the Termite in 3 or 4 minutes, tops. Ride the bevel, rotate the tool so the shavings come out though the hole. I hardly ever plug the tool, especially on end grain. Also, cut from the center out in a cone shape, steady the tool along your forearm, lean against your lathe for stability. The tool should cut without effort, and you are working way too hard on an easy project. I go up to 30 inches deep with a huge home made shank, hand held in vases hollowed entirely with the Termite.
Thanks for the tips, hermdagerm. Would you happen to have any video of your method of cutting?
Hi Rick. Not having the tool as yet I’m trying to picture his method. Not following the upside down remark. Have you tried using the termite as he suggests and if so do you have a video of it? Thanks Rick.
Great demo, I didn’t buy this turning tool
It's a good tool - I love it. Thanks for watching, Mr Zhou.