Is it just me or does the "It has rust here, here, here and here" invoke thoughts of "well, if you'd clean and lube it regularly, you might eliminate not only the corrosion issues, but also the stoppages." My goodness, it looked and sounded like that gun was crying out to the gun gods "PLEASE send this guy a container of Frog Lube!" All serious joking aside, great review. Straightforward and to the point. Made note of some good considerations and gave pros/cons of the gun. Nicely done.
Just to let people know...Nitride goes on "Clear," it's a metal treatment. Usually manufactures will then Black Oxide over the Nitride treatment. Some companies like FN use a PVD (Physical Vapor Deposition) which is a tough coating in its own right. Also, some Nitride treatments will get a QPQ process...which is a Quench Polish Quench process which aids in hardening and the QPQ process can go on Black in color or Clear. QPQ is very durable too. So if you have a Nitride metal part and see the black or any other color wearing off. It's Not the Nitride coming off. Since Nitride bonds with the metals substrate at a molecular level actually penetrating the substrate (outer layer of the metal) layer of the metal. Hope this helps some of you out. And yes I know my stuff, I have a Ph.D. in Organic Chemistry.
1. Fire your firearm. 2. Come home from firing your firearm 3. Perform proper cleaning of firearm 4. put firearm away until next time you fire it. 5. repeat process. 6. End of problems...
I've seen torture test of continuos fire with over 5000 rounds dunking in water and such along the way with no issues, so I know this gun performs!!! I have several CZ's owned them for years, and I love them!!! I've seen Glock with a whole lot less rounds with the same test with stoppages!!! You can have weak guns off the assembly line from all manufactures, but I'll back CZ all the way!!!
I've had my P10c since early May as well, and it has right at 4300 rounds through it. Other than the stiff mag release you mentioned, the only problem I had was the tip of the firing pin broke off. Got a used one from CZ-USA. They told me there are no replacement parts available yet. The tip broke off at the 4000 round mark. I've had no ejection problems, ftf, stove pipes nothing. No hiccups whatsoever. It's been a great gun. The only things I'm going to do is replace the striker assembly when Cajun Gun Works develops one, and put a set of Dawson Precision sights on.
If I had to guess, I would say the stoppages are because of the recoil spring. It gets hot from the barrel and thus, it's longer. That may cause it to be harder to press completely so slide won't cycle completely rearwards. Something like this used to happen on first batches of Glocks 4th gen., as new dual spring was stiffer than it should be. Just guessing. Anyway, looking forward to buy this P-10C. But it's hard as most of the production is exported to USA from CZ and we here in Slovakia and Czech republic have a hard time to get it, every time it's in the store it's just 1 or 2 pieces, immediately pre-ordered :) YOu have to buy less out there in USA so we can get some too :) Greetings from few remaining free countries of Europe!
I've carried multiple models of Beretta, Cz, Hk, S&W, Walther, Ruger, Sig, Glock, and Springfield Armory over the years and the only guns that did not rust somewhere were the glocks and berettas.
As you shoot the gun and it's temperature increases it causes the metal in the gun to expand. The expansion of the metal causes increased friction and additional overheating as well as a slow down in cycling as the metal parts rub together and cause resistance.
Ummm Beretta PX4, Beretta APX, HK P30. In the case of the PX4 Langdon had 50,000 through his without a stoppage, the Beretta APX is notoriously reliable with ranges saying that they just keep running and running, and then the HK P30 again being shot a shit ton by Langdon without stoppages. There is an instructor on here with a G1 PDP that he uses and lends out to students, it racked up 85,000 rounds without a stoppage, but he maintains his guns and he did replace the recoil spring with a flat wire spring (silicon carbide grip was full of hand gunk, but slide looked pretty solid). Of course there are tons of Glocks with dumb round counts. P365'S that have been fantastic for 4000-12000rds), P226/229. Of course Smith makes a pretty reliable gun if you don't hit a QC issue. Most pistols if maintained will just keep eating without a hiccup. We are lucky to have such a great selection.
@@steemerxaxon1643 You can buy them used for 2500. Absolutely one of the hest deals on the market, I saw two used ones a day or two ago, but I'm not in the market for one just yet.
First off, thanks for sharing this video. All semiauto handguns at one point or another have a failure or malfunction, and the reason varies from faulty ammo, to a defective mag, to a mechanism problem, to shooter improper handling. The fact of the matter is, based on the laws of physics (including material strength) moving parts on a mechanism are not infallible, or of eternal durability, they react to conditions. You have to do maintenance to your tool, trying to keep it in mint condition, avoiding abuse, and excessive wear, not only caused by ammo but by excessive heat from continued firing, which expands the metal causing malfunctions. The CZ P10 C on this video looks tortured and poorly kept. It is for sure dirty. Keep your handgun wet, well lubricated, and it will last longer.
I saw a review of a Sig p320, 13,950 rounds thru it with 2 fte's. Looked ok after the test. I think the moral of the story is, any of the big name guns you could pick would be an excellent gun.
Yup, but you get people who don't treat their guns right, and they start blaming the firearm. P320 is still a problem though, multiple engineers have looked it over on YT and have explained how it could potentially fire on its own. Additionally, there was a post about a year ago from a guy who had an officer experience an uncommanded discharge while exiting his squad car, and the bullet went through his knee. Definitely don't recomment a P320 without a manual safety FCU.
Maintain your weapon and it won't rust. And not a 'strip every part' maintenance. I've carried a steel gun for 4 years and there's not a spot of rust anywhere even being on the rainy, salty air Oregon coast. Field strip, scrub using hops 9 with a soft tooth brush, douse with WD40, use an air compressor to blow it off. All buildup will come right off. Use a rag to clean the excess, use a good lube for the rails and another good barrel lube. Reassemble, cycle the slide quite a few times, wipe up excess lube, and you're done. I go 6-700 rounds without a cleaning on a 1911 and with that cleaning it goes back to looking fresh as hell and I've yet to have a malfunction or rust, aside from out of battery due to handloads.
Doug Sharp suggested changing mag springs. I say Good call, cheap and easy to try and I like having the stronger ones anyway. I think it sounds like there's a timing issue with the feeding of the rounds, although the spent brass staying in the chamber is a concern that has me stumped. If the mag springs were weak, they wouldn't be pushing the next round up hard/fast enough to screw with extraction/ejection I wouldn't think. It might be a combination of problems. I wonder if the chamber is a tad rough, and when it heats up a lot, the gun is having a problem extracting the expanded/spent case. The way he said that the cycling didn't feel right/felt sluggish makes me think it might be having trouble extracting. Almost like it yanked the spent case partially out, it got stuck, the extractor claw lost grip, and the next round tried to feed as the slide was returning back home after a partial cycle and case still in the chamber. I say "Good luck with that one broseph"
Great review! 5000 rounds in 3 months in one gun...wow!! Great job. I do envy your big ammo budget. That's like over $1000 worth of ammo in 3 months. I wish I could do that. Lol
@Computer-Blue Your life must be fun... Back when ammo was 20c/rd it was pretty easy to blow through 500 in a week. Factor in classes, that's 1500 or so a month, 4500 in 3 months, if you take a couple big name classes they usualy ask for around 200-500rds. Completely reasonable to put that many rounds through a pistol in 3 months. Just because you don't shoot, doesn't mean you can throw aspersions on others like that.
FR, there are lots of poor stupid haters after the ammo shortage. What they need to do is get a second job so they can afford to practice more often 😂 Smh
Just my two cents. I'm a sweaty guy and here in South Florida (especially during summertime) I can sweat profusely especially also if I'm doing chores outside. I have found that sometimes you just have to check, clean and lubricate your weapon on a daily basis.
I had a old timer once Told me never let your slide slam forward.Do it manually because your pistol will get hiccups.And that is happening to you, don't slam the slide forward. He Said to me.That's only in movies.. God bless brother.
Pheenwx glock 17. 2000 round x 18 years. 36,000 rounds cleaned and trigger replaced.I stand on all my Glocks 3 misfired rounds cheap ammo Shot thru as mis fire practice. Never bought that ammo again, never had misfire again
I bought mine about a month ago. Shot 2,000 rounds in it so far. I've gotten it plenty hot doing lots of drills with it. Haven't experienced your failure yet, I hope it stays that way. I took first place last weekend in an IDPA match with it. I can't say for sure I prefer it over the Glock 19 but it's a close contender. I'm going to continue shooting it hard over the next few months and see how she does.
Campsiite,, not that I disagree entirely with you but Glock is by far the easiest pistol out the box to walk into a gunstore purchase sights, holster, and stock factory parts. No other pistol in the world has that. That is why I'm not convinced the P10C is the "Glock Killer" everyone professes it to be. I do however really enjoy shooting the CZ over the Glock but I won't be selling my G19's (plural) any time soon.
PPSChadwick without going back and "researching" I vaguely remember hearing that the P10 uses a dovetail for Smith & Wesson's or something like that for the sights.
Matthew thank you, I wasn't sure and it probably was back when they were first getting ready to be released and that the P10 would work in a glock holster which turned out to be not quite true
@@PPSChadwick idk ,that might change, CZ has been making pretty big moves since they opened a factory in Kentucky. Now that they don't have to deal with import laws on specific parts/finished guns I'm sure they're gonna attempt to encroach on Glock's hold of striker fire pistols.
The hype surrounding these pistols was insane last year, everybody wanted one and they were highly recommended. I've read about multiple people having problems out of theirs, some even had parts breakage. So you're lucky that you didn't have any parts break! These just aren't high round count guns, CZ has some work to do still yet. You can't increase production and keep the same level of quality control at the same time. I did want one of these pistols, until I read about the dissatisfied people who were dupped into buying an average handgun. Everybody on TH-cam recommended this handgun! Of course not everyone is gonna have problems with their particular gun, because just like you said this is one example. I find it kind of interesting that both Larry Vickers and Hickok45 both bought the FN 509 over the P-10C, makes me wonder. Personally I went with the APX, I bought one in .40 S&W and if it holds up I'll check one out in 9MM. Also like the fact that you buy full power ammo, I never quite understood why people used brands like Freedom Munitions. For one it's not actually cheaper and second it's underpowered as fuck. Always train with a practice load that's comparable to your carry load! One reason I always liked .40 S&W (yes, I know most people don't), the FMJ loads are loaded at the same pressure. Great video, this needed to be said! Just because something is popular, that doesn't make it great..TH-camr's will straight up like to you for personal gain. Personally I'm always skeptical of what I read online, so many keyboard warriors that it's ridicuous.
I have the same problem with the stiff msg release and the slide release. Of course I’ve only put 300 rounds through it but not the white box cheap ammo. I was told it will loosen up after 300-400 rounds. It is very accurate right out of the box and the trigger is great. All in all I’m satisfied wiyomy CZ P10 C
Based on my experience with different CZ models some factory mag springs have fairly low tension so I've replaced them with springs that have 10% more tension. Wolff Gun Springs. The issue with FTE here looks like a combination of issues with perhaps extractor spring tension and mag spring strength. Given the volume of rounds I would replace those springs and lightly stone the ejector to make the gun even more reliable. Just my two cents but I hope it's helpful. Pay close attention to angles if you're stoning an ejector!
Rooftop it will help with ftf. I got the idea after buying non- factory mags from Mecgar and noting they were much harder to load for the last three rounds. Switched the springs on my 18 round factory mags and problem solved!
Funny thing is if you looked at the glock it had same damage on the ejector it happens after so much use why they make and sell replacment parts. Guns are like cars they wear down so they need to be fixed from time to time
I've heard not all mag releases are that bad but stiff. I couldn't depress mine using both thumbs. I decided to just replace it with an Apex, not they drop like a beretta.
Great review! You packed in a lot of good data in a brief period! I'm impressed with the fact that you did the review against the competitor, without any bias. Excellent job brother! 👍🏽
Solomon Lehnerd Thank you for your honest opinion and detailed review. This was a potential contender for my first polymer pistol, but after your range time assessment, I'll have to pass. 😔
I think the P10C looks great with some wear and abuse for sure. The finish on my P-07 is like tank armor though. I couldn't blemish it if I tried. I have like 2,000 rds though it and the barrel hood looks brand new.
Thanks for the review. I have a CZ P09 for general defense (home, truck gun, and shooting range) Love shooting it. I have a Shield 9 performance for my LTC. I think CZ did not outperform the G19 by making the 10c. I would buy a G19 before I'd by this gun. S&W has been mimicking Glock for so long and I still think the G17 and G19 are the best polymer striker fire 9's in their price range for reliability(long term)and performance(long term). I'm not a fanboy, just a gun enthusiast and avid shooter.
Soooo True. I have found absolutely NOTHING about a Glock that I like. ( grip like a 2x4, mushy trigger, plastic sights, etc, all of which are true facts.)
@@7.0sbfgmcrusher95 Glock has one thing going for it: No matter how much abuse you give it, it keeps going. Yeah, they're very meh and not the same value for dollar they used to be, but man are they reliable.
Best quality guns on the market? Have you seen the market? Sure they have a great value and are fantastic guns, but it's highly naive to say they're the "best quality guns on the market." Are you insinuating Glocks are poor quality and inaccurate?
@@aomaggots- yes because glock sights are known to walk left or right after a few thousand rounds and they are non adj. Glocks feel like shit and trigger sucks. Out of box cz is one of the best you can get.
I prefer my Glocks G4 Glock 23 (Favorite handgun in the world) G5 Glock 19 (FBI Standard Issue) I like all firearms in general but when it comes to handguns, I prefer Glock...
Great weapon. I’m a long time Glock guy so grip is different. I am enjoying it. Two comments but I wouldn’t say negative. Changing backstrap is a pain. Used a punch set and the pin is hollow, takes a little. Tight is good but a solid pin would make easier. Slide not locking to rear on empty, 100% my grip. Locks manually on open mag. They could adjust this because that mag release is hard to engage. Trustworthy, good shooting weapon.
The pin for the strap is absolute garbage. I destroyed mine trying to get it to go back in. Ended up using a toothpick that I sanded down, it works just fine, and if it breaks I have plenty to replace it with. I am honestly considering hitting the grip with silicon carbide cause the sides have 0 texture. That is of course if I don't sell the P10F, it's a decent pistol, but I find mysself struggling to justify keeping it. Of course that's likely because I moved to the dot and the P10F is not milled. But even if I milled it I am unsure if that would solidify its spot in the quiver.
Bought mines on 12/9/23 and had to return it to service on the same day. Firearm wouldn't feed anything! Received it back on 1/19/24 and CZ USA fixed it, The verbatim notes left are as follows: “Honed chamber, adjusted and polished breach face lead-in, feed ramp, and barrel hood. Functions checked and test fired good with CCI Blazer 9mm 115gr FMJ and Federal Premium Tactical HST 147gr.” One stoppage per 1000 rounds is acceptable, clean and lubricate after 300 rounds and see if the fixes it? Amount of rounds you fired through it, all the springs and recoil guide and pins should be replace as well as that worn ejector. For rust prevention? I use Corrosion X on all the metal parts, some use Fluid Film. Reply
At this point, I'm invested in a G26 Gen 4 (EDC) and a custom CZ SP-01 (fun!). From all the reviews, CZ continues to have the ergonomics down pat. However, it appears harder to maintain and CZ doesn't seem able to supply parts, which is NOT how to compete against the G19! Your comments about rust were surprising and disappointing. If I were selecting an EDC pistol, I'd likely still end up with what I chose.
Im thinking the sluggish part after it gets hot is maybe it its getting too dry? I know glocks like to run dry but some guns dont example being the m&p series. I noticed your cz looks a little on the dry side so maybe it you keep it oiled a little more often maybe that will help. Such an odd ball malfunction
Great input! but i think you should do a full cleanup of both your glock and CZ. I mean complete disassembly and maybe some ultrasonic cleaning. You can learn how to completely disassemble it and a good ultrasonic cleaner will cost around 80 bucks
I'm a huge CZ fanboy, I hate that they made the grip feel like a block of wood to me. Doesn't feel like a CZ to me. So I bought a Phantom since I love my SP01. Glad to see someone else that blacks out thier rear sites. CZ makes great platform to build on, to me I'm just disappointed in them right now. Had a chance to build something special instead they chased glock
My P10c is back at CZ only after 700 rounds. The slide release wire spring jumped out of its recess and got all mangled up and jammed in between the frame and locking block. Pretty sure this is the first failure of its kind after trying to research for similar problems. My locking block had a good amount of flex within the frame. Enough flex to make room for the wire spring to jump out and up into the slide/frame rails. Was not able to remove slide to field strip until I yanked on it knowing it will mangle the wire spring even further. Really hope this works itself out. Never had to send a gun back to the manufacturer before. Really enjoyed the pistol while it was working, felt perfect in the hands and the trigger was great.
Rooftop i saw on the forums one other person with the same exact problem who sent his gun back to CZ. I thought i was the only one. He got his p10c back...200 rounds in wire spring popped back out of the locking block. Not good. May sell mine and wait until a gen. 2 comes out as I have been eying a walther p99as. Currently back to carrying the Glock.
I like how you actually shoot your guns up to a high round count before making review videos. My pet peeves are the ones where the guys just shoot 100 rounds and call it gtg.
Awesome video, thanks for Doing it. There’s a ton of “initial thoughts” reviews out there so It’s nice to have a long term review. Also, Love the shot at nutnfancy 😂 dude talks way too much haha.
Excellent, detailed review. Yeah, I'd probably clean the gun more, myself... but hey... ignore the haters. The rusted pins and mag release are a good note.
rooftop....just saw a video where a bunch of guys shot the p 10 c 10,040 rounds with no lube...only dinking it in a stream every 300 rounds and it had its first failure at 6,250 rounds....they used many brands of ammo but probably not cheap ass white box.
I had 2 similar stoppages with my new P10C. After listening to your circumstances I think I can break the code on a generic reason for the malfunctions. My stoppage was a live round stuck in the chamber each time making the slide nearly impossible to retract in order to eject round or see what issue was. This happened with range session less than 200 rounds with one of the stoppages happening in first 50. BUT....I was running 3 types of ammo through the gun - all 115gr. Ammo used: Browning 115 RN (Winchester made), Fiocchi 115 RN, and Freedom munitions 124gr RN. ONLY the BROWNING (WINCHESTER MANUFACTURED) ROUNDS MALFUNCTIONED...never the Fiocchi or Freedom. Similarities: Winchester manufactured ammo was culprit....did you ever have your issue happen with any other ammo? Somewhat similar: mine occured after around 50 and 125 rounds outdoors on very hot summer day in the deep South. Dissimilar: my round was never left in mag in vertical position. Solution: I will not run any Winchester 9mm ammo through it again for future range training to see if this alleviates the not so confidence building stoppages. Until I run at least 1000 more with no stoppage I will not carry this firearm....even though I shoot well with it. I love the aggressive grip. My mag ejection is somewhat sticky but not too much to be operationally unsafe.
LOL😂😂😂, Thanks for your honest review! Both guns are awesome guns. If you carry both on your left and right, you got nothing to fear, bro! And yes, rube your gun every thousand rounds at least, don't wait till three thousand 😂😂😂.
Nice review bro. I went into a local gun store to pick up this pistol and came out with a P320 X-Carry. The P-10C felt like I was holding a baby porcupine in my hand. The P320 X-Carry felt perfect in my hands. It also shoots well now that I've put about 500 rounds through it. With that being said, I still want to pick up a P-10C. I've heard nothing but positive reviews, but I might have get it stipled as soon as I buy one.
Outstanding, i fricken love my cz p10c. The trigger is sickening.... in a good way. Lol...... soft smooth trigger and the reset unbelievable factory trigger. My only issue is the mag release that is a little stiff. No deal breaker but wish it was a little easier .,....... looking forward to get my hands on the cz p10s. Subcompact ..... thanks ....
When I picked mine up new, I had the same issue with the mag release and the slide release. I kept working both for over a week until my hands were raw, but it did the trick. now their smooth running.
The reason the CZ mag release is so stiff is because all Czech Republic people are built like superman. Tall and strong as fuck. Worked with them in Afghanistan, great dudes.
A modern striker fired gun can't go off unless the trigger is pulled. If you have a high quality *solid* holster like kydex then the gun can't go off while holstered because the solid holster prevents access to the trigger. Therefore the gun can only go off when unholstering and re holstering, but if you're smart, cognizant, and CAREFUL when you do this then you won't accidentally pull the trigger and shoot yourself. A gun is not more likely to go off just because you carry it appendix vs 4 o'clock. A gun doesn't care where it's being held, it will go off just as likely in any carry position. And if you have a good holster like I said then it can't go off in the holster. So be smart and safe and you won't shoot your dick off.
FYI, As much as you shoot have you thought about reloading? Pistol reloading is super easy! Can reload 9mm for about 6 to 8 cents a round with reused brass. Even 45acp for about 10 cents!
I have one in 45, P10F. Glad I got one. Didn’t want to go with Glocks, way to many folks have it, just not me. It goes well with me and the misses collection. Sig S, Springfield, Daniel D and CZ.
I tend to agree plenty of people have glocks. That’s fine I just like a nicer shooting gun. And different options. As far as the review having rust. Mine has just under 2000 on mine carried daily in humid Texas. I clean mine one or twice a month. Keep it well oiled it does have rust in the roll pin on the grip but i always clean it. Because I work a very dirty job. Love my 9mm p10F. Have a few sigs looking to get another cz 75 and a pdp pro full sized.
Good video I love seeing people really enjoying there guns and making them work. Just got the cz p10c 3 weeks ago and so far I love it I have 608rds threw it of 3 different cheap ammo and some hollow points with zero malfunctions and that was 1 session I’m gonna put it threw another session before I start carrying it I got a tulster holster today and seems like it’s going to be a good match for it it fits great.
Roll pins and mag releases rusting isnt uncommon on any brand or model of gun. They are almost always just blued steel or parkerized aluminum pins. These finishes rust if oils from your skin or sweat sits on them for extended periods of time. People just never bother making sure the ends of the roll pins or mag releases are properly oiled when they clean their guns. Melonited small parts are way better at rust resistance and they are rarely a factory part from any brand. Just make sure you rub the exposed areas of small parts with a tooth brush that has gun oil on it. It will cut down on small parts rusting from carrying them a lot.
I agree on checking mag, Also you using white box. I bet unusual carbon from white box like you said . Save up do a four hundred of carry ammo. Practice with crap but base reality after shooting with carry ammo, There's a reason it's called target ammo . Good review though, I remember my young and dumb years when I got rid of a fantastic CZ because of stoppages . And to this day I'm Ninety nine percent sure it was a mag issue.
Bought mine at the same time. I've had it maybe a week and a half and its been at cz the rest of the time between two trips. One they mangled the feed ramp. Second time I haven't seen it since. Mine would auto forward very easy and with hollow points the cavity would get caught on the feed ramp. Only happened when the mags were partially full. Still seemed like an issue. Good objective review.
campsite a MAC ditched his g19 for edc because the trigger guard isn't friendly for gloved hands. A gloved finger slightly presses the trigger to the rear without intentionally pulling the trigger. The gun he now carries is a Cz p01, which are made with aluminum frames in standard and omega form not steel. You are right though, plastic sights are failing the customers on occasion, they break pretty easily. That's the one thing I don't like about the walther ppq
campsite a Your comment is completely false. I would point out what you said is false, but the gentleman above my comment pretty much sums it up. He didn't stop carrying Glock because they're "failing" their customers, he changed for other reasons.
campsite of plastic sights that I can easily replace my self is the only problem with Glock, then Glock is doing a whole lot better than these so called “Glock Killers.” The S&W M&P 2.0 is the only other polymer handgun I would consider.
I have a P07 and a older CZ75B that are exceptional shooters. The only issue I had was the rear sight on the P07 worked it's way loose but that was an easy fix with some Locktite.
Mine misfed twice in the first 50 rounds. It nose dived the cartridge into the bottom of the feed ramp, and the slide ramp slammed into the top of the bullet locking the gun up. I had to retract the slide to relieve pressure to pull the mag, and get the cartridge out. The bullets had a serious slice in the front, and on the side. Unusable. Disappointed. I thought I might use it as a carry gun. Not happening unless these misfeeds are solved. I’ve seen lots of similar complaints on forums. Even photos of bullets deformed exactly like mine. This is a second generation pistol with the new mag release setup.
I felt a well-used cz p10c at a range and the tolerances felt really tight. The gun is really well and consistently machined...but maybe such tight tolerances combined with material limitations mean that it's more easily affected by thermal expansion?
Weird my Czech made P10F is a bit of a maraca, up and down and side to side. If there's that much play on an essentially new gun then I can't imagine how much there is on a well used one.
So I bought some 9mm nato and tried to do 300 rounds.. I didn't make it to 100 before I started getting light primer strikes.. In sending it back Monday... I sent ahead and bought a glock 45... That will be my new edc... Really sucks cuz u really like the cz.. But I cant trust my life and loved ones life to it in a defensive setting now... Its been demoted to range gun...
For the price of that gun and all the +P you shot thru it. Great gun. I have the same one with threaded barrell with suppressor height sights and love it. About to alternate with my Hellcat, just bought a 3rd mag.
Shot my p10 over the weekend around 350 rnds worked perfectly but I noticed when I ran the magazine into the gun it racks itself. Is that normal? Also one of the pins in the back came out about a quarter way I had to hammer it back in. I tried calling cz today but no reply. Anyways any help would be much appreciated thanks! Great vid!
@@rornowskibreaks5187 I was told this by the shop I bought mine at, Topgun of Volusia. You can also see it's a normal feature by the chatter here: czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=97838.0 Hope this helps!
I noticed the round on the table when the video started and I knew what it was. I have a Ziploc bag with several myself. I've had at least 15 within 1200 rounds, at least 25 or more ftf. I sent mine in to cz along with pictures I. Case they didn't believe me. They couldn't duplicate the issue and they only fired a 100 rounds polished extractor and sent it back. After receiving fired 200 with 1 ftf went out 2 days latter fired 400 started having the same issues, I took pictures of these too. Sent back and they replaced the magazine's this time. Yours is like mine if you look on the bottom of the feed ramp rounds are slamming in the bottom face of the ramp that should happen. All the rounds that was gouged were shoved under the feed ramp . So far with new mags fired a 100 with 0 ftf. Sunday it will get no less than 500 and if I'm still having problems I might just set this one on fire
Rooftop. Well I shot mine Sunday and it fed the rounds fine . After 200 rounds I took it apart and looked at the bottom of the feed ramp and I've still had marks where the projectile is still hitting the bottom lip first. I loaded mags and would stop about half way through and look at the rounds. Alot of them would have dings on the projectile and a lot wouldn't. They were nothing like the gouged rounds that might get through and scar the barrel. I'm going to try a p07 mag and see if I get the same results, or maybe some company will come out with a aftermarket barrel with a little more material on the bottom of the feed ramp to prevent gouging and scaring of rounds.
ComocosonoEWL You make some valid points on the actual use of a firearm being shot in war I would use my rifle first and only use the pistol when the rifle is down. If I had to use the pistol for self defense and shoot some body probably no more than 5 rounds? When I go to the range I do alternate other hand guns. The majority of my stoppages has been within the first 100. The last time I went to the range I had a round get shoved under the feed ramp after the very first shot. This gun is on it's 3rd trip back to cz. I could never trust this one I have for ccw it might get me killed. I'm not bashing the p10c I know it's a great gun but the one I have is not. I own 4 other czs and this doesn't make me hate the mfg because of the one I have.
ComocosonoEWL I am not sure you are aware, but a USPSA match is normally 250-300 rounds. If a firearm requires cleaning and oiling every 100 rounds it is junk. Examples. I shoot Production with a Tanfoglio Limited Pro. I lube it at slide lock every 3 matches and clean it every 1500-2000 rounds. The gun is closing in on 9000 rounds and I haven't had a malfunction in at least 3000 rounds. The malfunctions I did have were because I put a super light trigger in it and then used hard CCI primers in my handloads. Federal primers are always 100%. Equally, I owned an XD Tactical in 9mm and in 2015 I put 1877 rounds through it over a 3 day class with Ben Stoeger. As the other 12 people in that class know, it rained the entire time. It was 100% reliable. All I did was lock the slide back and add some lube to the slide rails at the end of each day. The only reason I did that was the constant rain was washing the oil out of the gun to the point it was coating my Frogg Togg pants. I got rid of that pistol for reasons other than reliability. My wife has an SR9c. 1200 rounds without cleaning or a drop of oil. 100% reliable. Point being a modern gun shouldn't NEED to be babied.
There is a reason people who are serious carry Glocks, so they won't have to make videos wondering why their shit don't work, not talking about yours specifically. I've seen several CZ videos with people trying to convince themselves that reliability is not a priority. Popular and cute don't get it for me, if the shit don't work keep it in the store.
Darryl Dixon I cannot agree more. It makes me sick how many people want this gun to be good so bad that they are like “oh the frame is cracking? No big deal its just cosmetic!” Im like really!? Smh. Wow.
Have you inspected the frame for cracks where the roll pin goes through the frame just forward of the take down lever? I like my Glocks but I am in the market for the CZ P10C. I saw a very good review by Earl An in which he gave "pro/con" assessment of the pistol and showed pictures of the fractures. Others who have reviewed this pistol have not found such cracks. Concerned, I'd like to get as much info on the pistol before pulling the trigger on one.
3 malfunctions isn't bad out of 5k rounds, but I agree that it's something to look into. Out if curiosity because you had it in the table, do you remember how many malfunctions you had with the g17 with 12k rounds through it?
If you do the math the CZ has a malfunction 1 out of every 1666 rounds and the Glock has a malfunction every 1 in 1000. So now who has the better record? answer CZ!
Is that one of CZ's lube free pistols? When you rack the slide it sounds like a cat hanging on a screen door. I own and carry CZ's but I never heard one that sounded like that.
Is it just me or does the "It has rust here, here, here and here" invoke thoughts of "well, if you'd clean and lube it regularly, you might eliminate not only the corrosion issues, but also the stoppages." My goodness, it looked and sounded like that gun was crying out to the gun gods "PLEASE send this guy a container of Frog Lube!"
All serious joking aside, great review. Straightforward and to the point. Made note of some good considerations and gave pros/cons of the gun. Nicely done.
Yep….it sure sounded dry…..but nice review.
Just a suggestion if the stoppage happens again just mark the mag that it happens with. Could be a mag that is giving you the issues...
I am sure he knows that!
Just to let people know...Nitride goes on "Clear," it's a metal treatment. Usually manufactures will then Black Oxide over the Nitride treatment. Some companies like FN use a PVD (Physical Vapor Deposition) which is a tough coating in its own right. Also, some Nitride treatments will get a QPQ process...which is a Quench Polish Quench process which aids in hardening and the QPQ process can go on Black in color or Clear. QPQ is very durable too. So if you have a Nitride metal part and see the black or any other color wearing off. It's Not the Nitride coming off. Since Nitride bonds with the metals substrate at a molecular level actually penetrating the substrate (outer layer of the metal) layer of the metal. Hope this helps some of you out. And yes I know my stuff, I have a Ph.D. in Organic Chemistry.
Rick S Stop trying to convince gun know it alls with facts and science
Great info
Boom!
... but this is inorganic chemistry. Nah, just playing, thanks for the info!
Neeerrrrrrddddddddddd
Thanks for the info though😉😘
1. Fire your firearm. 2. Come home from firing your firearm 3. Perform proper cleaning of firearm 4. put firearm away until next time you fire it. 5. repeat process. 6. End of problems...
EXACTLY
I've seen torture test of continuos fire with over 5000 rounds dunking in water and such along the way with no issues, so I know this gun performs!!! I have several CZ's owned them for years, and I love them!!! I've seen Glock with a whole lot less rounds with the same test with stoppages!!! You can have weak guns off the assembly line from all manufactures, but I'll back CZ all the way!!!
This dude sounds more like Batman than non-Asian Christian Bale. And also now I want a CZp10C. Thanks Asian Batman.
How was Your experience?
James Dean right? Omg how did I miss the fact the holster model he mentioned was: “THE GOTHAM”???!
Great review... no sponsorship. Just a guy who beat the piss out of it like your supposed to.
I don't trust it until I see the 5000 round review.
TylerDD I agree, make it a good rounded number. Just for OCD purposes.
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I love how detailed this is. Especially how you go into wear and rust on the small parts being effected by wear, sweat and humidity.
I've had my P10c since early May as well, and it has right at 4300 rounds through it. Other than the stiff mag release you mentioned, the only problem I had was the tip of the firing pin broke off. Got a used one from CZ-USA. They told me there are no replacement parts available yet. The tip broke off at the 4000 round mark. I've had no ejection problems, ftf, stove pipes nothing. No hiccups whatsoever. It's been a great gun. The only things I'm going to do is replace the striker assembly when Cajun Gun Works develops one, and put a set of Dawson Precision sights on.
That's how you do a review. Nicely done.
If I had to guess, I would say the stoppages are because of the recoil spring. It gets hot from the barrel and thus, it's longer. That may cause it to be harder to press completely so slide won't cycle completely rearwards. Something like this used to happen on first batches of Glocks 4th gen., as new dual spring was stiffer than it should be.
Just guessing. Anyway, looking forward to buy this P-10C. But it's hard as most of the production is exported to USA from CZ and we here in Slovakia and Czech republic have a hard time to get it, every time it's in the store it's just 1 or 2 pieces, immediately pre-ordered :)
YOu have to buy less out there in USA so we can get some too :)
Greetings from few remaining free countries of Europe!
I've carried multiple models of Beretta, Cz, Hk, S&W, Walther, Ruger, Sig, Glock, and Springfield Armory over the years and the only guns that did not rust somewhere were the glocks and berettas.
As you shoot the gun and it's temperature increases it causes the metal in the gun to expand. The expansion of the metal causes increased friction and additional overheating as well as a slow down in cycling as the metal parts rub together and cause resistance.
One failure per 1,500 rounds always in a hot dirty handgun. What handgun is more efficient? Just seems awfully good.
I think the wilson combat edc x9 surpasses most, but its $3800
The WC EDCX9 "IMO" not only a GOOD GUN but the BEST looking Gun ever made!!! But there isn't to many people can just whip out $4,000 for a Gun
Ummm Beretta PX4, Beretta APX, HK P30. In the case of the PX4 Langdon had 50,000 through his without a stoppage, the Beretta APX is notoriously reliable with ranges saying that they just keep running and running, and then the HK P30 again being shot a shit ton by Langdon without stoppages.
There is an instructor on here with a G1 PDP that he uses and lends out to students, it racked up 85,000 rounds without a stoppage, but he maintains his guns and he did replace the recoil spring with a flat wire spring (silicon carbide grip was full of hand gunk, but slide looked pretty solid).
Of course there are tons of Glocks with dumb round counts. P365'S that have been fantastic for 4000-12000rds), P226/229. Of course Smith makes a pretty reliable gun if you don't hit a QC issue.
Most pistols if maintained will just keep eating without a hiccup. We are lucky to have such a great selection.
@@steemerxaxon1643 You can buy them used for 2500. Absolutely one of the hest deals on the market, I saw two used ones a day or two ago, but I'm not in the market for one just yet.
First off, thanks for sharing this video.
All semiauto handguns at one point or another have a failure or malfunction, and the reason varies from faulty ammo, to a defective mag, to a mechanism problem, to shooter improper handling.
The fact of the matter is, based on the laws of physics (including material strength) moving parts on a mechanism are not infallible, or of eternal durability, they react to conditions.
You have to do maintenance to your tool, trying to keep it in mint condition, avoiding abuse, and excessive wear, not only caused by ammo but by excessive heat from continued firing, which expands the metal causing malfunctions.
The CZ P10 C on this video looks tortured and poorly kept. It is for sure dirty. Keep your handgun wet, well lubricated, and it will last longer.
Great post!👍
I saw a review of a Sig p320, 13,950 rounds thru it with 2 fte's. Looked ok after the test. I think the moral of the story is, any of the big name guns you could pick would be an excellent gun.
Yup, but you get people who don't treat their guns right, and they start blaming the firearm.
P320 is still a problem though, multiple engineers have looked it over on YT and have explained how it could potentially fire on its own. Additionally, there was a post about a year ago from a guy who had an officer experience an uncommanded discharge while exiting his squad car, and the bullet went through his knee. Definitely don't recomment a P320 without a manual safety FCU.
@@Osprey1994 I know one of the officers using a 320 that discharged in his leg. He had the incorrect holster for his p320. Which was the problem.
"I'm not nutnfancy," lmfao!!!!
but equally as boring.
Maintain your weapon and it won't rust. And not a 'strip every part' maintenance. I've carried a steel gun for 4 years and there's not a spot of rust anywhere even being on the rainy, salty air Oregon coast. Field strip, scrub using hops 9 with a soft tooth brush, douse with WD40, use an air compressor to blow it off. All buildup will come right off. Use a rag to clean the excess, use a good lube for the rails and another good barrel lube. Reassemble, cycle the slide quite a few times, wipe up excess lube, and you're done. I go 6-700 rounds without a cleaning on a 1911 and with that cleaning it goes back to looking fresh as hell and I've yet to have a malfunction or rust, aside from out of battery due to handloads.
Doug Sharp suggested changing mag springs. I say Good call, cheap and easy to try and I like having the stronger ones anyway. I think it sounds like there's a timing issue with the feeding of the rounds, although the spent brass staying in the chamber is a concern that has me stumped. If the mag springs were weak, they wouldn't be pushing the next round up hard/fast enough to screw with extraction/ejection I wouldn't think. It might be a combination of problems. I wonder if the chamber is a tad rough, and when it heats up a lot, the gun is having a problem extracting the expanded/spent case. The way he said that the cycling didn't feel right/felt sluggish makes me think it might be having trouble extracting. Almost like it yanked the spent case partially out, it got stuck, the extractor claw lost grip, and the next round tried to feed as the slide was returning back home after a partial cycle and case still in the chamber.
I say "Good luck with that one broseph"
Great review! 5000 rounds in 3 months in one gun...wow!! Great job. I do envy your big ammo budget. That's like over $1000 worth of ammo in 3 months. I wish I could do that. Lol
he didnt shoot that many. i bet he bought these guys at a pawn shop for cheap
@Computer-Blue Your life must be fun...
Back when ammo was 20c/rd it was pretty easy to blow through 500 in a week. Factor in classes, that's 1500 or so a month, 4500 in 3 months, if you take a couple big name classes they usualy ask for around 200-500rds.
Completely reasonable to put that many rounds through a pistol in 3 months. Just because you don't shoot, doesn't mean you can throw aspersions on others like that.
FR, there are lots of poor stupid haters after the ammo shortage. What they need to do is get a second job so they can afford to practice more often 😂 Smh
Thank you for the honest review. Very clear straight to the point no BS. Subscribed
Just my two cents. I'm a sweaty guy and here in South Florida (especially during summertime) I can sweat profusely especially also if I'm doing chores outside. I have found that sometimes you just have to check, clean and lubricate your weapon on a daily basis.
I don't want a weapon you have to clean daily...Maybe not fair comparison, by I'll stick with my 92.
I had a old timer once Told me never let your slide slam forward.Do it manually because your pistol will get hiccups.And that is happening to you, don't slam the slide forward. He Said to me.That's only in movies.. God bless brother.
Pheenwx glock 17.
2000 round x 18 years.
36,000 rounds cleaned and trigger replaced.I stand on all my Glocks
3 misfired rounds cheap ammo
Shot thru as mis fire practice. Never bought that ammo again, never had misfire again
Great detailed review!
Got a p10 f a week ago and the mag release is smooth like butter
Love the gun. It’s a beast!!!
Are the factory sights phosphate painted aka night sights?
2018 or above year model yes?
I bought mine about a month ago. Shot 2,000 rounds in it so far. I've gotten it plenty hot doing lots of drills with it. Haven't experienced your failure yet, I hope it stays that way. I took first place last weekend in an IDPA match with it. I can't say for sure I prefer it over the Glock 19 but it's a close contender. I'm going to continue shooting it hard over the next few months and see how she does.
Campsiite,, not that I disagree entirely with you but Glock is by far the easiest pistol out the box to walk into a gunstore purchase sights, holster, and stock factory parts. No other pistol in the world has that. That is why I'm not convinced the P10C is the "Glock Killer" everyone professes it to be. I do however really enjoy shooting the CZ over the Glock but I won't be selling my G19's (plural) any time soon.
Not *literally*, but yeah.
PPSChadwick without going back and "researching" I vaguely remember hearing that the P10 uses a dovetail for Smith & Wesson's or something like that for the sights.
Matthew thank you, I wasn't sure and it probably was back when they were first getting ready to be released and that the P10 would work in a glock holster which turned out to be not quite true
@@PPSChadwick idk ,that might change, CZ has been making pretty big moves since they opened a factory in Kentucky. Now that they don't have to deal with import laws on specific parts/finished guns I'm sure they're gonna attempt to encroach on Glock's hold of striker fire pistols.
The hype surrounding these pistols was insane last year, everybody wanted one and they were highly recommended. I've read about multiple people having problems out of theirs, some even had parts breakage. So you're lucky that you didn't have any parts break! These just aren't high round count guns, CZ has some work to do still yet. You can't increase production and keep the same level of quality control at the same time. I did want one of these pistols, until I read about the dissatisfied people who were dupped into buying an average handgun. Everybody on TH-cam recommended this handgun! Of course not everyone is gonna have problems with their particular gun, because just like you said this is one example. I find it kind of interesting that both Larry Vickers and Hickok45 both bought the FN 509 over the P-10C, makes me wonder. Personally I went with the APX, I bought one in .40 S&W and if it holds up I'll check one out in 9MM. Also like the fact that you buy full power ammo, I never quite understood why people used brands like Freedom Munitions. For one it's not actually cheaper and second it's underpowered as fuck. Always train with a practice load that's comparable to your carry load! One reason I always liked .40 S&W (yes, I know most people don't), the FMJ loads are loaded at the same pressure. Great video, this needed to be said! Just because something is popular, that doesn't make it great..TH-camr's will straight up like to you for personal gain. Personally I'm always skeptical of what I read online, so many keyboard warriors that it's ridicuous.
I have the same problem with the stiff msg release and the slide release. Of course I’ve only put 300 rounds through it but not the white box cheap ammo.
I was told it will loosen up after 300-400 rounds.
It is very accurate right out of the box and the trigger is great.
All in all I’m satisfied wiyomy CZ P10 C
Apex makes a mag release for the P10C that will help so it isnt so stiff. Takes like 5 minutes to install.
Based on my experience with different CZ models some factory mag springs have fairly low tension so I've replaced them with springs that have 10% more tension. Wolff Gun Springs. The issue with FTE here looks like a combination of issues with perhaps extractor spring tension and mag spring strength. Given the volume of rounds I would replace those springs and lightly stone the ejector to make the gun even more reliable. Just my two cents but I hope it's helpful. Pay close attention to angles if you're stoning an ejector!
Rooftop it will help with ftf. I got the idea after buying non- factory mags from Mecgar and noting they were much harder to load for the last three rounds. Switched the springs on my 18 round factory mags and problem solved!
Funny thing is if you looked at the glock it had same damage on the ejector it happens after so much use why they make and sell replacment parts. Guns are like cars they wear down so they need to be fixed from time to time
William Goboff I think it was just dirty.
Great video. Nice seeing a high round count evaluation of the pistol.
Great information, thanks for the video. I just purchased one of these guns...looking forward to picking it up!!
I like your down to earth review. Nice job sharing the experience.
dude run 38 more rounds through it
Carpenter here, magazine release is a breeze. Some folks hands are just a little weak.
I've heard not all mag releases are that bad but stiff. I couldn't depress mine using both thumbs. I decided to just replace it with an Apex, not they drop like a beretta.
My issued Sig M11 made in West Germany gets mild rust on spots too. I solve the issue by cleaning it and adding a bit of oil.
Great review! You packed in a lot of good data in a brief period! I'm impressed with the fact that you did the review against the competitor, without any bias. Excellent job brother! 👍🏽
Solomon Lehnerd I'll definitely be checking out your new content! Would you recommend this CZ model?
Solomon Lehnerd Thank you for your honest opinion and detailed review. This was a potential contender for my first polymer pistol, but after your range time assessment, I'll have to pass. 😔
Solomon Lehnerd If CZ fixed all of the known common issues, I'd be willing to grab one up.
If my Glock 19 would have had the same grip angle as the P 10 I never would have bought the P 10. So far no complaints on the P 10.
I think the P10C looks great with some wear and abuse for sure. The finish on my P-07 is like tank armor though. I couldn't blemish it if I tried. I have like 2,000 rds though it and the barrel hood looks brand new.
Thanks for the review. I have a CZ P09 for general defense (home, truck gun, and shooting range) Love shooting it. I have a Shield 9 performance for my LTC. I think CZ did not outperform the G19 by making the 10c. I would buy a G19 before I'd by this gun. S&W has been mimicking Glock for so long and I still think the G17 and G19 are the best polymer striker fire 9's in their price range for reliability(long term)and performance(long term). I'm not a fanboy, just a gun enthusiast and avid shooter.
love CZs. best quality guns on the market and extremely accurate. never liked Glock!
Soooo True. I have found absolutely NOTHING about a Glock that I like. ( grip like a 2x4, mushy trigger, plastic sights, etc, all of which are true facts.)
@@7.0sbfgmcrusher95 Glock has one thing going for it: No matter how much abuse you give it, it keeps going.
Yeah, they're very meh and not the same value for dollar they used to be, but man are they reliable.
Best quality guns on the market? Have you seen the market?
Sure they have a great value and are fantastic guns, but it's highly naive to say they're the "best quality guns on the market."
Are you insinuating Glocks are poor quality and inaccurate?
@@aomaggots- yes because glock sights are known to walk left or right after a few thousand rounds and they are non adj. Glocks feel like shit and trigger sucks. Out of box cz is one of the best you can get.
I prefer my Glocks
G4 Glock 23 (Favorite handgun in the world)
G5 Glock 19 (FBI Standard Issue)
I like all firearms in general but when it comes to handguns, I prefer Glock...
Great weapon. I’m a long time Glock guy so grip is different. I am enjoying it. Two comments but I wouldn’t say negative. Changing backstrap is a pain. Used a punch set and the pin is hollow, takes a little. Tight is good but a solid pin would make easier. Slide not locking to rear on empty, 100% my grip. Locks manually on open mag. They could adjust this because that mag release is hard to engage. Trustworthy, good shooting weapon.
The pin for the strap is absolute garbage. I destroyed mine trying to get it to go back in. Ended up using a toothpick that I sanded down, it works just fine, and if it breaks I have plenty to replace it with. I am honestly considering hitting the grip with silicon carbide cause the sides have 0 texture. That is of course if I don't sell the P10F, it's a decent pistol, but I find mysself struggling to justify keeping it. Of course that's likely because I moved to the dot and the P10F is not milled. But even if I milled it I am unsure if that would solidify its spot in the quiver.
Very informative video! You have given us a glimpse into the future so to speak.
Thank you for sharing.
It's funny you mentioned Nutnfancy. I like his videos, too, but they're so long sometlmes I have to hit the pause button and come back later.
That’s a good review. I was going to by the CZ P10c but now I think I might wait until CZ gets all the kinks worked out.
Bought mines on 12/9/23 and had to return it to service on the same day. Firearm wouldn't feed anything! Received it back on 1/19/24 and CZ USA fixed it, The verbatim notes left are as follows:
“Honed chamber, adjusted and polished breach face lead-in, feed ramp, and barrel hood. Functions checked and test fired good with CCI Blazer 9mm 115gr FMJ and Federal Premium Tactical HST 147gr.” One stoppage per 1000 rounds is acceptable, clean and lubricate after 300 rounds and see if the fixes it? Amount of rounds you fired through it, all the springs and recoil guide and pins should be replace as well as that worn ejector. For rust prevention? I use Corrosion X on all the metal parts, some use Fluid Film.
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Outstanding video! Very thorough review. Really appreciated all the positives and negatives laid out.
At this point, I'm invested in a G26 Gen 4 (EDC) and a custom CZ SP-01 (fun!). From all the reviews, CZ continues to have the ergonomics down pat. However, it appears harder to maintain and CZ doesn't seem able to supply parts, which is NOT how to compete against the G19! Your comments about rust were surprising and disappointing. If I were selecting an EDC pistol, I'd likely still end up with what I chose.
Im thinking the sluggish part after it gets hot is maybe it its getting too dry? I know glocks like to run dry but some guns dont example being the m&p series. I noticed your cz looks a little on the dry side so maybe it you keep it oiled a little more often maybe that will help. Such an odd ball malfunction
4962 Rounds... A voice in the back of my head is asking vey loudly why the 38 rounds more mattered so much :-) could have been an easy even 5000.
liquidminds yes I think the same way why he don't round it or finish do 5000 round why?
Mr. Monk, is that you? :)
Great input! but i think you should do a full cleanup of both your glock and CZ. I mean complete disassembly and maybe some ultrasonic cleaning. You can learn how to completely disassemble it and a good ultrasonic cleaner will cost around 80 bucks
might be a lil late to the party BUT: "nato spec"? that made me burst out laughing! ty good sir!
I'm a huge CZ fanboy, I hate that they made the grip feel like a block of wood to me. Doesn't feel like a CZ to me. So I bought a Phantom since I love my SP01. Glad to see someone else that blacks out thier rear sites. CZ makes great platform to build on, to me I'm just disappointed in them right now. Had a chance to build something special instead they chased glock
My P10c is back at CZ only after 700 rounds. The slide release wire spring jumped out of its recess and got all mangled up and jammed in between the frame and locking block. Pretty sure this is the first failure of its kind after trying to research for similar problems. My locking block had a good amount of flex within the frame. Enough flex to make room for the wire spring to jump out and up into the slide/frame rails. Was not able to remove slide to field strip until I yanked on it knowing it will mangle the wire spring even further. Really hope this works itself out. Never had to send a gun back to the manufacturer before. Really enjoyed the pistol while it was working, felt perfect in the hands and the trigger was great.
KKazu N wow! That's pretty disconcerting. Did your locking block always have this fair amount of flex between the frame or did it get worse over time?
Rooftop i saw on the forums one other person with the same exact problem who sent his gun back to CZ. I thought i was the only one. He got his p10c back...200 rounds in wire spring popped back out of the locking block. Not good. May sell mine and wait until a gen. 2 comes out as I have been eying a walther p99as. Currently back to carrying the Glock.
Good job on the review. Sorry to hear about the rust issue. I was really close to clicking the checkout on my shopping cart. Now, not so sure.
I like how you actually shoot your guns up to a high round count before making review videos. My pet peeves are the ones where the guys just shoot 100 rounds and call it gtg.
You make great vids...why dont you upload more often? I just found this vid and immediately subbed. It would be cool to see more vids from you.
Awesome video, thanks for
Doing it. There’s a ton of “initial thoughts” reviews out there so
It’s nice to have a long term review. Also, Love the shot at nutnfancy 😂 dude talks way too much haha.
Appreciate it man. Nice to hear an owners review! Thanks a bunch.
Excellent, detailed review. Yeah, I'd probably clean the gun more, myself... but hey... ignore the haters. The rusted pins and mag release are a good note.
rooftop....just saw a video where a bunch of guys shot the p 10 c 10,040 rounds with no lube...only dinking it in a stream every 300 rounds and it had its first failure at 6,250 rounds....they used many brands of ammo but probably not cheap ass white box.
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I had 2 similar stoppages with my new P10C. After listening to your circumstances I think I can break the code on a generic reason for the malfunctions. My stoppage was a live round stuck in the chamber each time making the slide nearly impossible to retract in order to eject round or see what issue was. This happened with range session less than 200 rounds with one of the stoppages happening in first 50. BUT....I was running 3 types of ammo through the gun - all 115gr. Ammo used: Browning 115 RN (Winchester made), Fiocchi 115 RN, and Freedom munitions 124gr RN. ONLY the BROWNING (WINCHESTER MANUFACTURED) ROUNDS MALFUNCTIONED...never the Fiocchi or Freedom.
Similarities: Winchester manufactured ammo was culprit....did you ever have your issue happen with any other ammo?
Somewhat similar: mine occured after around 50 and 125 rounds outdoors on very hot summer day in the deep South.
Dissimilar: my round was never left in mag in vertical position.
Solution: I will not run any Winchester 9mm ammo through it again for future range training to see if this alleviates the not so confidence building stoppages. Until I run at least 1000 more with no stoppage I will not carry this firearm....even though I shoot well with it. I love the aggressive grip. My mag ejection is somewhat sticky but not too much to be operationally unsafe.
That's roughly 450 dollars in magazines sitting on that table
Maybe from a CZ P-07? They look kinda beat up. I think this guy's lazy when it comes to maintaining his guns.
@@82luft49
No, he actually trains with his
@@SylentONE magazines are expendable parts, gotta maintain those too, training even more so cause you'll beat them up
@@SylentONE you can train and maintain your firearms lol
@@SylentONE agreed
LOL😂😂😂, Thanks for your honest review! Both guns are awesome guns. If you carry both on your left and right, you got nothing to fear, bro! And yes, rube your gun every thousand rounds at least, don't wait till three thousand 😂😂😂.
Nice review bro. I went into a local gun store to pick up this pistol and came out with a P320 X-Carry. The P-10C felt like I was holding a baby porcupine in my hand. The P320 X-Carry felt perfect in my hands. It also shoots well now that I've put about 500 rounds through it. With that being said, I still want to pick up a P-10C. I've heard nothing but positive reviews, but I might have get it stipled as soon as I buy one.
"Brief synopsis: the first one sucked.." lol
Rooftop lol
Rooftop dude you sound like the son of Archer's voice actor.
Waiting for my P10C to get to transfer to my FFL. Can't wait to put rounds down range!!
Outstanding, i fricken love my cz p10c. The trigger is sickening.... in a good way. Lol...... soft smooth trigger and the reset unbelievable factory trigger. My only issue is the mag release that is a little stiff. No deal breaker but wish it was a little easier .,....... looking forward to get my hands on the cz p10s. Subcompact ..... thanks ....
When I picked mine up new, I had the same issue with the mag release and the slide release. I kept working both for over a week until my hands were raw, but it did the trick. now their smooth running.
The reason the CZ mag release is so stiff is because all Czech Republic people are built like superman. Tall and strong as fuck. Worked with them in Afghanistan, great dudes.
Appendix carry??!!! You got some balls..
...for now
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it's called training. Appendix carry is whole lot better to carry, especially since it doesnt print as other positions.
A modern striker fired gun can't go off unless the trigger is pulled. If you have a high quality *solid* holster like kydex then the gun can't go off while holstered because the solid holster prevents access to the trigger. Therefore the gun can only go off when unholstering and re holstering, but if you're smart, cognizant, and CAREFUL when you do this then you won't accidentally pull the trigger and shoot yourself.
A gun is not more likely to go off just because you carry it appendix vs 4 o'clock. A gun doesn't care where it's being held, it will go off just as likely in any carry position. And if you have a good holster like I said then it can't go off in the holster. So be smart and safe and you won't shoot your dick off.
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Always some ignorant fool that mentions shooting your junk off with appendix carry. I’d bet you don’t even carry a firearm.
Dude you should definitely do more reviews, videos.
CZ's are my main pistol I have 4 of them, back up pistols I have are Canik, Smith & Wesson, Ruger, and Sig!!!
FYI, As much as you shoot have you thought about reloading? Pistol reloading is super easy! Can reload 9mm for about 6 to 8 cents a round with reused brass. Even 45acp for about 10 cents!
Excellent review! Thank you. 2017 model yes? 2018 model year and up got an improvement for this I believe.
I have one in 45, P10F. Glad I got one. Didn’t want to go with Glocks, way to many folks have it, just not me. It goes well with me and the misses collection. Sig S, Springfield, Daniel D and CZ.
I tend to agree plenty of people have glocks. That’s fine I just like a nicer shooting gun. And different options. As far as the review having rust. Mine has just under 2000 on mine carried daily in humid Texas. I clean mine one or twice a month. Keep it well oiled it does have rust in the roll pin on the grip but i always clean it. Because I work a very dirty job. Love my 9mm p10F. Have a few sigs looking to get another cz 75 and a pdp pro full sized.
Good video I love seeing people really enjoying there guns and making them work. Just got the cz p10c 3 weeks ago and so far I love it I have 608rds threw it of 3 different cheap ammo and some hollow points with zero malfunctions and that was 1 session I’m gonna put it threw another session before I start carrying it I got a tulster holster today and seems like it’s going to be a good match for it it fits great.
Roll pins and mag releases rusting isnt uncommon on any brand or model of gun. They are almost always just blued steel or parkerized aluminum pins. These finishes rust if oils from your skin or sweat sits on them for extended periods of time. People just never bother making sure the ends of the roll pins or mag releases are properly oiled when they clean their guns. Melonited small parts are way better at rust resistance and they are rarely a factory part from any brand. Just make sure you rub the exposed areas of small parts with a tooth brush that has gun oil on it. It will cut down on small parts rusting from carrying them a lot.
I personally dont like lasers and flashlights on handguns...
In a gunfight Im shooting at the light
Outlaw GT How are you going to see what you’re shooting at in the dark?
I agree on checking mag, Also you using white box. I bet unusual carbon from white box like you said . Save up do a four hundred of carry ammo. Practice with crap but base reality after shooting with carry ammo, There's a reason it's called target ammo . Good review though, I remember my young and dumb years when I got rid of a fantastic CZ because of stoppages . And to this day I'm Ninety nine percent sure it was a mag issue.
Bet if you cleaned it regularly that gun would be in way better condition.
Bought mine at the same time. I've had it maybe a week and a half and its been at cz the rest of the time between two trips. One they mangled the feed ramp. Second time I haven't seen it since. Mine would auto forward very easy and with hollow points the cavity would get caught on the feed ramp. Only happened when the mags were partially full. Still seemed like an issue. Good objective review.
campsite a MAC ditched his g19 for edc because the trigger guard isn't friendly for gloved hands. A gloved finger slightly presses the trigger to the rear without intentionally pulling the trigger. The gun he now carries is a Cz p01, which are made with aluminum frames in standard and omega form not steel. You are right though, plastic sights are failing the customers on occasion, they break pretty easily. That's the one thing I don't like about the walther ppq
campsite a Your comment is completely false. I would point out what you said is false, but the gentleman above my comment pretty much sums it up. He didn't stop carrying Glock because they're "failing" their customers, he changed for other reasons.
campsite of plastic sights that I can easily replace my self is the only problem with Glock, then Glock is doing a whole lot better than these so called “Glock Killers.” The S&W M&P 2.0 is the only other polymer handgun I would consider.
I have a P07 and a older CZ75B that are exceptional shooters. The only issue I had was the rear sight on the P07 worked it's way loose but that was an easy fix with some Locktite.
You can't go wrong, with a CZ.
Until 3k rounds yea. Did you not watch the fucking video?
Mine misfed twice in the first 50 rounds. It nose dived the cartridge into the bottom of the feed ramp, and the slide ramp slammed into the top of the bullet locking the gun up. I had to retract the slide to relieve pressure to pull the mag, and get the cartridge out. The bullets had a serious slice in the front, and on the side. Unusable. Disappointed. I thought I might use it as a carry gun. Not happening unless these misfeeds are solved. I’ve seen lots of similar complaints on forums. Even photos of bullets deformed exactly like mine. This is a second generation pistol with the new mag release setup.
I felt a well-used cz p10c at a range and the tolerances felt really tight. The gun is really well and consistently machined...but maybe such tight tolerances combined with material limitations mean that it's more easily affected by thermal expansion?
Weird my Czech made P10F is a bit of a maraca, up and down and side to side. If there's that much play on an essentially new gun then I can't imagine how much there is on a well used one.
So I bought some 9mm nato and tried to do 300 rounds.. I didn't make it to 100 before I started getting light primer strikes.. In sending it back Monday... I sent ahead and bought a glock 45... That will be my new edc... Really sucks cuz u really like the cz.. But I cant trust my life and loved ones life to it in a defensive setting now... Its been demoted to range gun...
For the price of that gun and all the +P you shot thru it. Great gun. I have the same one with threaded barrell with suppressor height sights and love it. About to alternate with my Hellcat, just bought a 3rd mag.
Shot my p10 over the weekend around 350 rnds worked perfectly but I noticed when I ran the magazine into the gun it racks itself. Is that normal? Also one of the pins in the back came out about a quarter way I had to hammer it back in. I tried calling cz today but no reply. Anyways any help would be much appreciated thanks! Great vid!
Yes running the magazine into the CZ P10 C will rack itself if you apply enough force.
@@kraigkowalski393 is that normal or is it a defect that needs to be fixed? I have a Glock and it doesn't rack itself with force
@@rornowskibreaks5187 I was told this by the shop I bought mine at, Topgun of Volusia. You can also see it's a normal feature by the chatter here: czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=97838.0
Hope this helps!
@@kraigkowalski393 lol i just got my P10 from topgun as well
@@FloridaManMorbid That place is amazing
Thanks for the video. Really informative. I don't feel so bad about only having Glock Gen 4's anymore... we can't buy P10C in Cali anyways.
I noticed the round on the table when the video started and I knew what it was. I have a Ziploc bag with several myself. I've had at least 15 within 1200 rounds, at least 25 or more ftf. I sent mine in to cz along with pictures I. Case they didn't believe me. They couldn't duplicate the issue and they only fired a 100 rounds polished extractor and sent it back. After receiving fired 200 with 1 ftf went out 2 days latter fired 400 started having the same issues, I took pictures of these too. Sent back and they replaced the magazine's this time. Yours is like mine if you look on the bottom of the feed ramp rounds are slamming in the bottom face of the ramp that should happen. All the rounds that was gouged were shoved under the feed ramp . So far with new mags fired a 100 with 0 ftf. Sunday it will get no less than 500 and if I'm still having problems I might just set this one on fire
Rooftop. Well I shot mine Sunday and it fed the rounds fine . After 200 rounds I took it apart and looked at the bottom of the feed ramp and I've still had marks where the projectile is still hitting the bottom lip first. I loaded mags and would stop about half way through and look at the rounds. Alot of them would have dings on the projectile and a lot wouldn't. They were nothing like the gouged rounds that might get through and scar the barrel. I'm going to try a p07 mag and see if I get the same results, or maybe some company will come out with a aftermarket barrel with a little more material on the bottom of the feed ramp to prevent gouging and scaring of rounds.
Rooftop happens with hollowpoint ammo also
ComocosonoEWL You make some valid points on the actual use of a firearm being shot in war I would use my rifle first and only use the pistol when the rifle is down. If I had to use the pistol for self defense and shoot some body probably no more than 5 rounds? When I go to the range I do alternate other hand guns. The majority of my stoppages has been within the first 100. The last time I went to the range I had a round get shoved under the feed ramp after the very first shot. This gun is on it's 3rd trip back to cz. I could never trust this one I have for ccw it might get me killed. I'm not bashing the p10c I know it's a great gun but the one I have is not. I own 4 other czs and this doesn't make me hate the mfg because of the one I have.
ComocosonoEWL
I am not sure you are aware, but a USPSA match is normally 250-300 rounds. If a firearm requires cleaning and oiling every 100 rounds it is junk. Examples.
I shoot Production with a Tanfoglio Limited Pro. I lube it at slide lock every 3 matches and clean it every 1500-2000 rounds. The gun is closing in on 9000 rounds and I haven't had a malfunction in at least 3000 rounds. The malfunctions I did have were because I put a super light trigger in it and then used hard CCI primers in my handloads. Federal primers are always 100%.
Equally, I owned an XD Tactical in 9mm and in 2015 I put 1877 rounds through it over a 3 day class with Ben Stoeger. As the other 12 people in that class know, it rained the entire time. It was 100% reliable. All I did was lock the slide back and add some lube to the slide rails at the end of each day. The only reason I did that was the constant rain was washing the oil out of the gun to the point it was coating my Frogg Togg pants. I got rid of that pistol for reasons other than reliability.
My wife has an SR9c. 1200 rounds without cleaning or a drop of oil. 100% reliable.
Point being a modern gun shouldn't NEED to be babied.
Charles Lee. I 100% agree.
Best handgun out of the box.
Good review! I was surprised to hear about the rust, hopefully it doesn't become an issue
Great video on cz p10
Just got new one also, may I ask u where is cheapest place for extra mags ?? Thanks again
There is a reason people who are serious carry Glocks, so they won't have to make videos wondering why their shit don't work, not talking about yours specifically. I've seen several CZ videos with people trying to convince themselves that reliability is not a priority. Popular and cute don't get it for me, if the shit don't work keep it in the store.
Darryl Dixon I cannot agree more. It makes me sick how many people want this gun to be good so bad that they are like “oh the frame is cracking? No big deal its just cosmetic!” Im like really!? Smh. Wow.
Have you inspected the frame for cracks where the roll pin goes through the frame just forward of the take down lever? I like my Glocks but I am in the market for the CZ P10C. I saw a very good review by Earl An in which he gave "pro/con" assessment of the pistol and showed pictures of the fractures. Others who have reviewed this pistol have not found such cracks. Concerned, I'd like to get as much info on the pistol before pulling the trigger on one.
love my P10C..none of this guy's problems..4-5000 rds..cheap steel to Federals..goes 'bang' every time
3 malfunctions isn't bad out of 5k rounds, but I agree that it's something to look into. Out if curiosity because you had it in the table, do you remember how many malfunctions you had with the g17 with 12k rounds through it?
If you do the math the CZ has a malfunction 1 out of every 1666 rounds and the Glock has a malfunction every 1 in 1000. So now who has the better record? answer CZ!
you sound like coach mcguirk from 'home movies'.
lmfao perfect comparison
Yesss
Dude make more videos with the CZ P10
It looks like you took the Glock, tied it to a rope, tied the other end to your car, and drove the gun down a gravel road.
Is that one of CZ's lube free pistols? When you rack the slide it sounds like a cat hanging on a screen door. I own and carry CZ's but I never heard one that sounded like that.
Mine sounds the same way