Don't scoff, but I get more out of your videos than anything else on YT. I don't care if I never load another plugin again, after watching your channel :)
6 & 7 were my favourite rooms, 6 being the more usable out of the two. I really liked 11 as a snare reverb, if you were to cut all the low end out of it. Brilliant video! Love that you're going so far down the rabbit hole of an idea that could be kept short & sweet.
Man I love this kind of stuff. I keep a collection of cardboard/PVC/metal pipes and tubes in my garage to run amps and drums through. So much more fun than just slapping another plugin on a track.
3 retains some of that upper-mid trail/airiness that I normally associate with reverb. But, 12... that's pure lo-fi hip hop! Add some distortion and presto.
Can not choose only one. :) 2 and 7 sound appealing to me. 11 "is in the right direction", for my taste, but has a lot of pingy sound. Thnx for your time a lot of great ideas/ tricks (in all of your vids).
Hmmm... I just got done watching your video with the Pyle SM57 copies just a little while ago. A couple of them and a cheap hose would make for a super cheap room mic setup. Crazy... Thanks for doing this!
I was playing with my kids on the weekend with a big poly pipe of maybe 120mm diameter and quite thick, like 10mm, and about 100m long. The delay sounds we're awesome. Made me think of this video.
2 and 7 are my favourites. Plus I really like what 11 does to the snare. I would have liked to hear them blended back in with the dry signal also. Thanks for the video!
I smell Sylvia Massy spirit. More of these awesome experiments, please! I for one will definitely buy me a garden hose now even if i don't have a garden. This comes great because i track all my drums in a tiny booth.
Whoa the stereo to the back; sounds great I think!? I hope your shooting for some John Bonham room reverb sounds because really I can't think of anything better.
I actually really liked Number 2 (7:22) - I thought it brought out the sustain in the toms really nicely (whereas 9 was a little too much imho) and was very well balanced. Very usable. Could also run it through a transient designer and crank it for some huge sounds!
Yeah interesting you bring that up. 9 had sustain in the opposite side as the attack so the floor tom sustain would be on the right but you hear it (Attack) first in the left.
6 and 12 are my favorites. 6 has an overall great depth and image. 12 sounded cool having the distance of the hose coiled across the room, can’t say the same for the funnel. Funnel gives it a futzed kinda sound imo.
Some sort of metallic tubing, like electrical conduit. Also, try various funnel dimensions and materials. Maybe all metallic materials and only a few feet of those?
I love how ten emphasizes the kick and snare. I’d imagine funnel placement matters quite a bit, it might be neat to aim it at the cymbals more like an overhead. Honestly it might be cool to build something like this into an isolation platform just to have ready. Something where you could just screw the hose on to a nozzle when you need it. It’s unwieldy as-is, but I think that’s because you’ve been focused on experimentation over implementation.
Ryan, have you tried contact mics? Or using drivers to make plate-ish reverbs or even speakers out of almost anything? If I get a chance this weekend I'll shoot video of my ghetto plate reverb and the Electric Birdhouse and link it. You might dig it. Quite a rabbit hole to go down!
Reminds me a little bit of the wooden reverberation tubes they used for the voices of the Ents in lord of the rings. But of course here in a live setting. Awesome idea.
I wonder how number 2 would sound for room sound for a whole band recording live, probably with a back wall approach. Maybe some reamping and you playing the drums to find out? My guess is rhar it should make a GREAT room track for glueing things together
Cool video! I know you did this with the first garden hose video, buuuuut could you take your favorite GH method and blend it with the close mics so we can hear the context of the technique? :D
I really like that odd high pitched metallic sound with #12, I think when you hit the snare. It also gets quite a bit of the beater sound, so maybe I’d use it specifically to record snare and kick alone and mix that in with the original, though that’d take two recordings or a really high set high pass filter :D. I agree with you though, the best one stand-alone was probably 7.
I actually kinda like the sound of the 100ft with the funnel at one end. I feel like 50ft w/funnel was a little twangy/nasally sounding, and while the 100ft variation had a lot less of the delayed direct sound, I felt like the closed hose felt more 'stuffy' than with the funnel. I'm gonna go with 12 as my final answer. Although what if you did #3 and #1 simultaneously and blended them? Could be a total mess of phasing, or could sound really cool. Hmm...
Distance always seems to be key, I'm not sure why but it always works out for the whole of the tone I would mic up regular but then wrap the house around the room whether independently or stereo but the whole outside perimeter. Just to catch that particular effect for the room sounds. But that's just me
7 by far has the best stereo image and most pleasing frequencies to my ear, but 4's kick and snare made me think of what the room mics for Billy Jean would have sounded like, and made me think that 4 would sound great as the reverb for an 80's rock or pop kit sort of sound.
I've done some initial experiments. Don't know if you noticed the black hose on the wall but it's actually in the shot. I leave clues to what I'm working on.
Creative Sound Lab Didn't notice at all! I was planning on buying some electrical corrugated pvc pipes tomorrow to start experimenting myself too. Thanks for your reply!
Not sure where your located but here in the US I got some "Sump Pump" 1.5 inch corregated hose for $13 on amazon. 24 foot I think. There's a range to the price I've found but look for sump pump or as you said the pool hose. It has much more of a delay effect. Think if a 20 ms delay w a little feedback. Kinda weird sounding but still cool w compression.
Creative Sound Lab Thanks! I'm in Argentina, and here importation taxes are very high to but something from amazon, but in a few hours I'm gonna hit my local hardware store to see what I can get. Thanks for your time Ryan, really love your videos, been a fan since the snare reamp vid came out!
Lengths of PVC pipe short enough to reasonably fit in the room, connected with U-bends, would probably make the funnel configuration work better. Less sound would bleed through from outside. And if it didn't work (or even if it did) you could use it as a really long didgeridoo!
I'm worried, that a lot of sound coming in, is straight from outside the plastic enclosure. How does it sound without the hoses, but with the White plastic enclosures close off?
What would be interesting is to hear 1 hose open ended, going into a splitter and chucking 2 microphones at the end of the chain and pan L&R.might make a longer verb bc of open end and longer hose
What would it sound like if you tried to completely isolate the ends with the mic so you know you're getting only the sound of the hose. Like cover the mic in foam and take it into another room.
You could basically copy the drum track from your daw and then edit it so the bass of the drum is all that's left. Then add some reverb to that drum track and mix it with the original track. That makes a great and big drum sound.
Also, what if the mic end of the garden hose was isolated somehow? Like in a separate room, or iso-box of sorts..so theoretically there was no sound penetration through the hose nearest the diaphragm. ALL sound would travel through the house length before hitting the sm57. Then you could blend that in as you would a delay/reverb Aux track. Might be cool. Might not lol. Just spitballing here.
Yeah very true. I think the hardest challenge is the volume in the room. The gain on these 57s was more than if I used a 57 for a room mic 10 feet out. Vocal reamp stands a chance at being loud enough. Eric said he used that 4 inch pipe on Ben Harpers Vocal just by putting the opening by the vocal mic as he sung.
I'd think a condenser would be a bit better suited to picking up the other end of the hose, but it definitely will need some gain when the sound is having to get through the rubber. For a vocal, I'd use the funnel method, although that seemed to be awfully kerrangy, and would need some eq. The pipe "delay" sounds like a good option for a vocal too.
Oh sorry for the ambiguity. I am very serious. As something to mix in parallel to a more straight forward mic-ing of the kit, I think its the coolest sound. And its the kind of thing I would have never even tried. Crazy idea, but great results.
Find a way to stick the mic in a bucket of water. The first way just wrap some type of plastic around it and submerge it in the bucket. The second way put it inside of some kind of container and submerged it. It's not going to be easy but I think it could be done.
Please do a vid where you mix it in and out with different amounts of compression, 1176 w all buttons e.g. I love to record with things that shouldn't sound good.
And we're doing this because......? Have you ever tried putting the mic into a toilet and experimenting with the kinds of sounds various depths of water will give you? Also, I'm told sound travels much farther/better under water than it does through air (That'd be why whales around upper Greenland can hear whales near S. America!), so, maybe try filling the hose(s) with water. Put some kind of barrier over the mic(s) to keep it (them) from getting wet on that end, then fill the other end with the funnel and, once it's full, put one of those old recording diaphragms from the recording devices they used 120 years ago on the end of the funnel that's in the hose. The sound being played into the funnel should cause the diaphragm to vibrate, as it normally would, and that'd make the water react likewise. Hopefully, the mic(s) would be able to pick up that sound.
Don't scoff, but I get more out of your videos than anything else on YT.
I don't care if I never load another plugin again, after watching your channel :)
Wow thanks Rohan! That is so kind.
6 & 7 were my favourite rooms, 6 being the more usable out of the two. I really liked 11 as a snare reverb, if you were to cut all the low end out of it. Brilliant video! Love that you're going so far down the rabbit hole of an idea that could be kept short & sweet.
Man I love this kind of stuff. I keep a collection of cardboard/PVC/metal pipes and tubes in my garage to run amps and drums through. So much more fun than just slapping another plugin on a track.
3 retains some of that upper-mid trail/airiness that I normally associate with reverb. But, 12... that's pure lo-fi hip hop! Add some distortion and presto.
Wow cool idea. I thought that one was way out there by just took a fresh set of ears and ideas.
Can not choose only one. :) 2 and 7 sound appealing to me. 11 "is in the right direction", for my taste, but has a lot of pingy sound. Thnx for your time a lot of great ideas/ tricks (in all of your vids).
Number 7 is my favorite
Totally loving these videos, I don't think there is another channel like yours out there
Thanks man! Please let me know if you have any ideas for videos!
I love 3 and 11 - they have the most unique character!
This is really surprisingly good!!! Examples 6, 7 and 9 sound like a very natural kit reverb.
I know, I start to repeat myself, but I am definitely going to try this. Liked number 2 the best.
I wonder how an SDC would sound ;-)
Hmmm... I just got done watching your video with the Pyle SM57 copies just a little while ago. A couple of them and a cheap hose would make for a super cheap room mic setup. Crazy... Thanks for doing this!
11 was the best to my ears, the most “reverb” like. Cool video, thanks
I was playing with my kids on the weekend with a big poly pipe of maybe 120mm diameter and quite thick, like 10mm, and about 100m long. The delay sounds we're awesome. Made me think of this video.
Very interesting, I like 6 and 11 because they create unique and great sounds. Maybe 3 as well.
this vid is great! best example of how multiple reverb options can be more useful than EQ in mixdown
Yeah there's a lot of character in verb
BuildYourOwnBass ...and take 10x as long with very similar results.
I think 6 and 7 are my favorite.
I love those funnel sounds! 10 & 11
Loved the weirdness of 3 & 11.
2 and 7 are my favourites. Plus I really like what 11 does to the snare. I would have liked to hear them blended back in with the dry signal also. Thanks for the video!
6 the best stereo room, 10 best efx, 12 best mono room...but I should hear them in context with the drum close mics...great idea!!
I smell Sylvia Massy spirit. More of these awesome experiments, please! I for one will definitely buy me a garden hose now even if i don't have a garden. This comes great because i track all my drums in a tiny booth.
Whoa the stereo to the back; sounds great I think!? I hope your shooting for some John Bonham room reverb sounds because really I can't think of anything better.
Excellent work, sir! They are all usable sounds. It just depends on the effect that you want.
Thanks! Let me know if you try any or make any new videos about this stuff.
Great video! My favorites are 7 & 9
Yeah like those too!
I actually really liked Number 2 (7:22) - I thought it brought out the sustain in the toms really nicely (whereas 9 was a little too much imho) and was very well balanced. Very usable. Could also run it through a transient designer and crank it for some huge sounds!
Yeah interesting you bring that up. 9 had sustain in the opposite side as the attack so the floor tom sustain would be on the right but you hear it (Attack) first in the left.
6 and 12 are my favorites.
6 has an overall great depth and image.
12 sounded cool having the distance of the hose coiled across the room, can’t say the same for the funnel. Funnel gives it a futzed kinda sound imo.
I thought number 7 sounded the coolest. It's got a nice stereo image, but the thump of the kick is nice and centered still. I'm gonna try that one!
Yeah that kick is real nice. I though the waist high, 1, had a nice kick too
I'm partial to 8 myself. I think it really depends on the context, though. Each one offers a special sound, which is awesome!
#2 hanging hard pan sounds great! Short.
Some sort of metallic tubing, like electrical conduit. Also, try various funnel dimensions and materials. Maybe all metallic materials and only a few feet of those?
I love how ten emphasizes the kick and snare. I’d imagine funnel placement matters quite a bit, it might be neat to aim it at the cymbals more like an overhead.
Honestly it might be cool to build something like this into an isolation platform just to have ready. Something where you could just screw the hose on to a nozzle when you need it. It’s unwieldy as-is, but I think that’s because you’ve been focused on experimentation over implementation.
Great idea. Instead of a mic cable going above the kit it could be a hose leading up to a funnel.
Ryan, have you tried contact mics? Or using drivers to make plate-ish reverbs or even speakers out of almost anything? If I get a chance this weekend I'll shoot video of my ghetto plate reverb and the Electric Birdhouse and link it. You might dig it. Quite a rabbit hole to go down!
6, 9 and 12 were pretty good to me.
Reminds me a little bit of the wooden reverberation tubes they used for the voices of the Ents in lord of the rings. But of course here in a live setting. Awesome idea.
Great video! How long was the hose in 6/7? I think most of these would have uses at some stage in mixing. Might have to give this a try!
I wonder how number 2 would sound for room sound for a whole band recording live, probably with a back wall approach. Maybe some reamping and you playing the drums to find out? My guess is rhar it should make a GREAT room track for glueing things together
4 and 6 for me
This is awesome
Cool video! I know you did this with the first garden hose video, buuuuut could you take your favorite GH method and blend it with the close mics so we can hear the context of the technique? :D
5 & 7 were my favorites. I really can't compare those 2. I like each for a completely different reason.
Really useful! Thanks.
I really like that odd high pitched metallic sound with #12, I think when you hit the snare. It also gets quite a bit of the beater sound, so maybe I’d use it specifically to record snare and kick alone and mix that in with the original, though that’d take two recordings or a really high set high pass filter :D. I agree with you though, the best one stand-alone was probably 7.
Great video, get yourself a brown coat professor !!
I actually kinda like the sound of the 100ft with the funnel at one end. I feel like 50ft w/funnel was a little twangy/nasally sounding, and while the 100ft variation had a lot less of the delayed direct sound, I felt like the closed hose felt more 'stuffy' than with the funnel. I'm gonna go with 12 as my final answer.
Although what if you did #3 and #1 simultaneously and blended them? Could be a total mess of phasing, or could sound really cool. Hmm...
That's really cool. A few people like that one for its vibe. Part of this has to reach a point where people try it out.
2,5,6,9 were all my favorites. Would be cool to see how you would go about processing these (more in depth compression, eq, etc)
No EQ just the compression that I showed. Same compressor on all. Hard panned and made a mix for the video edit.
Distance always seems to be key, I'm not sure why but it always works out for the whole of the tone I would mic up regular but then wrap the house around the room whether independently or stereo but the whole outside perimeter. Just to catch that particular effect for the room sounds. But that's just me
What kind of kit is this? Classic Maple Downbeat? It sounds great in these videos
7 by far has the best stereo image and most pleasing frequencies to my ear, but 4's kick and snare made me think of what the room mics for Billy Jean would have sounded like, and made me think that 4 would sound great as the reverb for an 80's rock or pop kit sort of sound.
Great video! I wonder how would it sound if instead of a garden hose you use those pool vacuum hoses
I've done some initial experiments. Don't know if you noticed the black hose on the wall but it's actually in the shot. I leave clues to what I'm working on.
Creative Sound Lab Didn't notice at all! I was planning on buying some electrical corrugated pvc pipes tomorrow to start experimenting myself too. Thanks for your reply!
Not sure where your located but here in the US I got some "Sump Pump" 1.5 inch corregated hose for $13 on amazon. 24 foot I think. There's a range to the price I've found but look for sump pump or as you said the pool hose. It has much more of a delay effect. Think if a 20 ms delay w a little feedback. Kinda weird sounding but still cool w compression.
Creative Sound Lab Thanks! I'm in Argentina, and here importation taxes are very high to but something from amazon, but in a few hours I'm gonna hit my local hardware store to see what I can get. Thanks for your time Ryan, really love your videos, been a fan since the snare reamp vid came out!
How would this sound with a SDC? It's not as lo-fi, obviously, but it may offer some more lows and less congested highs?
What about running around the perimeter of the rooms ceiling? Wouldn't be taking up any space but wonder how it would sound.
am home recording and much appreciate surprising my friends with weird shit so ty sir
Thanks!
You should make a column and rappit around that how you save room. And use the big hose
Lengths of PVC pipe short enough to reasonably fit in the room, connected with U-bends, would probably make the funnel configuration work better. Less sound would bleed through from outside. And if it didn't work (or even if it did) you could use it as a really long didgeridoo!
Would love to hear number 11 as part of a full mix
I'm worried, that a lot of sound coming in, is straight from outside the plastic enclosure. How does it sound without the hoses, but with the White plastic enclosures close off?
Tecnique number 8!!! ;-)
I would love to hear it as a part of a mix
What would be interesting is to hear 1 hose open ended, going into a splitter and chucking 2 microphones at the end of the chain and pan L&R.might make a longer verb bc of open end and longer hose
I'd love to see how it would sound if you re-amped something like vocals or guitar into the funnel end of the hose
3,7,9,10 and my fav. 11
2 and 6 are my favourites
What would it sound like if you tried to completely isolate the ends with the mic so you know you're getting only the sound of the hose. Like cover the mic in foam and take it into another room.
It would be interesting to know what it sounds like when you wrap the hose around the snare drum a couple of times.
You could basically copy the drum track from your daw and then edit it so the bass of the drum is all that's left. Then add some reverb to that drum track and mix it with the original track. That makes a great and big drum sound.
Yeah I'm sure that would sound nice. The low end of a lot of these is really big even without additional verb.
what about garden hose and guitars? Electric or acoustic, it could be fun to experiment!
We did the 4 inch corregated pipe on a guitar amp. It was cool. In the video Mixerman's Crazy Pipe Delay Part 2
Also, what if the mic end of the garden hose was isolated somehow? Like in a separate room, or iso-box of sorts..so theoretically there was no sound penetration through the hose nearest the diaphragm. ALL sound would travel through the house length before hitting the sm57. Then you could blend that in as you would a delay/reverb Aux track. Might be cool. Might not lol. Just spitballing here.
Yeah that would be a cool effect so that you can coil all the hose in there tightly and get a clean delay Sound.
What if you used a long metal pipe instead? Very curious what that would sound like
We have GOT TO stick that shit in front of a vocalist. Hell, even a guitar amp, then re-amp a vocal through it.
Yeah very true. I think the hardest challenge is the volume in the room. The gain on these 57s was more than if I used a 57 for a room mic 10 feet out. Vocal reamp stands a chance at being loud enough. Eric said he used that 4 inch pipe on Ben Harpers Vocal just by putting the opening by the vocal mic as he sung.
I'd think a condenser would be a bit better suited to picking up the other end of the hose, but it definitely will need some gain when the sound is having to get through the rubber. For a vocal, I'd use the funnel method, although that seemed to be awfully kerrangy, and would need some eq. The pipe "delay" sounds like a good option for a vocal too.
Awesome!
how much hose would be too much hose? thats what I want to know! Sylvia would be proud!
god bless the crazy SOB who thought the mics with the case minus the hoses would sound better. because, damn... that sounds awesome.
I wasn't sure if you were serious at first. It's a pretty weird sound, but it may have a use as a phaser like effect.
Oh sorry for the ambiguity. I am very serious. As something to mix in parallel to a more straight forward mic-ing of the kit, I think its the coolest sound. And its the kind of thing I would have never even tried. Crazy idea, but great results.
I saw some metal hose at home depot. Wonder how that would sound.
Find a way to stick the mic in a bucket of water. The first way just wrap some type of plastic around it and submerge it in the bucket. The second way put it inside of some kind of container and submerged it. It's not going to be easy but I think it could be done.
would be cool to add tension to the stereo hose
I loved example number 6. I'm surprised at how beefy the low mids are with these examples.
Please do a vid where you mix it in and out with different amounts of compression, 1176 w all buttons e.g. I love to record with things that shouldn't sound good.
I like 7,9, and 12
My favorites were 7 and 9
I am interested to see how a short section of hose (4 to 8 ft) stretched and plugged on one end would sound...
5, 7, 9 and 12
Number 6 and 7 was my favourite but i wonder what 6 and 7 would sound like with a funnel on the end of it.
Nice! Give a go and see. It's a great effect.
Creative Sound Lab Nice.... great work man
6 and 7 for me.
And we're doing this because......? Have you ever tried putting the mic into a toilet and experimenting with the kinds of sounds various depths of water will give you? Also, I'm told sound travels much farther/better under water than it does through air (That'd be why whales around upper Greenland can hear whales near S. America!), so, maybe try filling the hose(s) with water. Put some kind of barrier over the mic(s) to keep it (them) from getting wet on that end, then fill the other end with the funnel and, once it's full, put one of those old recording diaphragms from the recording devices they used 120 years ago on the end of the funnel that's in the hose. The sound being played into the funnel should cause the diaphragm to vibrate, as it normally would, and that'd make the water react likewise. Hopefully, the mic(s) would be able to pick up that sound.
4, 6, 7, 9, 11
I wanna hear what it sounds like in a real mix with other instruments.
7/11 get my vote lo fi trashy
Great. Id
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7 are better stereo image
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