Why No One Wanted to Lead This Race

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2025
  • A couple of weekends ago, I went to watch a race. And something unusual happened. For most of the race, none of the drivers seemed to want to lead.
    Now, we’re all used to watching F1, and seeing drivers trying to get to the front on the first laps, before things settle down and usually become pretty predictable. However, this Formula E race was a COMPLETELY different strategy than I’d ever seen before.
    Intrigued, I spoke to the drivers and engineers to find out exactly what was going on - and the answer was fascinating.
    So, across different motorsports, race strategy is quite similar, whether it’s F1, endurance racing, single-seaters or nascar. Try to get on pole position, stay at the front, protect your tyres so they still have some life at the end of a stint, mayyyybe save a bit of fuel - but basically you want to be at the front. But this race was different!
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ความคิดเห็น • 632

  • @vinching926
    @vinching926 ปีที่แล้ว +868

    This strat reminds me how to play Mario Kart online safe, not to save any energy but avoid being targeted and stay in attacking position until the final lap sprint.

    • @ccramit
      @ccramit ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Yeah, with all the rubber banding programmed into Mario Kart, the first few laps shouldn't even exist.

    • @jadestone032
      @jadestone032 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      YES! This! hahah that blueshell havoc at last lap is horrifying!

    • @Delimon007
      @Delimon007 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Nah, if you are 10 miles ahead nothing they do matters. Just go watch any streamer, someone who gets that far ahead, a blue shell isn't going to do jack for you.

    • @rhys4707
      @rhys4707 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@ccramit That's bots, not with actual players

    • @bonovoxel7527
      @bonovoxel7527 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yesss nailed it! :D

  • @Sup3rNovaGaming
    @Sup3rNovaGaming ปีที่แล้ว +374

    There is a similar strategy in NASCAR superspeedway racing. Being in the lead at the end is the most vulnerable spot, as someone can build a run and drive right by you if you dont throw a block. Also, it's better to be the guy in second or third to save fuel in the draft from lack of drag and running partial throttle

    • @elmurcis1
      @elmurcis1 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Also being in lead can "eat" extra one or two laps of fuel that might be difference between making it or need to pit for splash (so P20 or worse most of times).. Fuel mileage races can be fun for sure when drivers shake their cars on back straight to get some juice in engine for half lap more.

    • @stunimbus1543
      @stunimbus1543 ปีที่แล้ว

      Drafting in Nascar is beyong amazing. The TV coverage doesn't really show how much skill and nerve is requied. th-cam.com/video/7e_uW0GLsQ4/w-d-xo.html

    • @thejman3489
      @thejman3489 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's exactly what I was thinking. The driver in front is full throttle, the next 2 or 3 drivers behind are ¾ throttle, farther back than that they are ½ throttle, and the draft keeps them all together.

    • @GowGows
      @GowGows ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That was literally my first thought. Leading is only good at Super Speedways when the lap is for points.

    • @markntexas8265
      @markntexas8265 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was about to add this so thanks

  • @BPBomber
    @BPBomber ปีที่แล้ว +956

    Driver61 Scott is so different than Overdrive Scott 😂

    • @VikingCudaShorts
      @VikingCudaShorts ปีที่แล้ว +68

      Hang on, You're telling me it's the same guy?

    • @fawwazrafif5160
      @fawwazrafif5160 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      ​@@VikingCudaShorts You realised just now?

    • @tturi2
      @tturi2 ปีที่แล้ว +125

      ​@@VikingCudaShorts can't wait for them to do a collab

    • @elementalsheep2672
      @elementalsheep2672 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      @@VikingCudaShorts I mean, have you ever seen them in the same room together?

    • @VikingCudaShorts
      @VikingCudaShorts ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@elementalsheep2672 👀

  • @samarthsingh2647
    @samarthsingh2647 ปีที่แล้ว +271

    Now we really know why Nyck de Vries is on a default setting to stay behind others and crash.

    • @inno-v8-ion165
      @inno-v8-ion165 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      And also why de Vries did well in Monza

    • @M3_86
      @M3_86 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lmao

    • @M3_86
      @M3_86 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Mazepin would be the goat of formula 3

    • @FormulaEverything
      @FormulaEverything ปีที่แล้ว

      🤩

    • @samarthsingh2647
      @samarthsingh2647 ปีที่แล้ว

      This aged very well 🤣

  • @MuhammedChand
    @MuhammedChand ปีที่แล้ว +202

    It's actually quite exciting to think that this strategy could also change overtime as they improve efficiency and capacity of the batteries and engines.

    • @WromWrom
      @WromWrom ปีที่แล้ว +17

      OTOH, then F-E may reduce the amount of energy allowed in the cars at the beginning of the race to keep the style. Or not, we'll see... 🙂

    • @Appletank8
      @Appletank8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I assume the FIA tunes the lap count to stretch the battery to the last few %, otherwise there's not much point to it.

    • @NotAcvp3lla
      @NotAcvp3lla ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@WromWrom they actually do that now. A large percentage of the energy the cars use to complete the race is generated by the more powerful MGU-K of the Gen 3 cars.

    • @WromWrom
      @WromWrom ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@NotAcvp3lla I'm not surprised. Working with a limited amount of energy is part of the race in F-E, as it is in Endurance. No wonder you do see endurance racers amongst the FE drivers, or the other way around (Lotterer and Buemi forex)

    • @trueinnovator7207
      @trueinnovator7207 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yup. The car has 40% less energy during the start of the race, so the drivers need to regenerate it during the race.

  • @ArjanRV24
    @ArjanRV24 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Just a bit of context on how Jake Dennis could beat Leclerc, Albon, Russell and Stroll in the Euro F3 2015 season as shown at 1:40. 2015 was Jake Dennis his second F3 Euro season but for Leclerc, Albon, Russell and Stroll it was their first. Jake was (together with Lance) racing for Prema which is usually the strongest racing team. Leclerc was racing for Van Amersfoort, Albon for Signature and Russell for Carlin.
    In 2015 they were all obviously really young, at that age one or two more years of experience can mean a lot.
    Dennis born June 1995
    Albon born March 1996
    Leclerc born October 1997
    Russell born February 1998
    Stroll born October 1998
    I have a lot of respect for Jake Dennis. But beating Leclerc, Albon, Russell and Stroll in the F3 Euro's in 2015 comes with a little bit of a sidenote.
    Nevertheless great video. I thought maybe more people were interested in how Dennis could beat the big F1 names of today.

  • @nathanstroud2223
    @nathanstroud2223 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This happens to a lesser extent in the Indy 500 and I think sometimes on NASCAR superspeedways as well. You can stretch your fuel milage by letting someone else lead early on in a 500 mile race, but you also need to rehearse the finish in the closing laps and plan ahead so that you don't make your final move for the lead only to get re-passed when it counts. But guess what? Someone mid-pack could wreck with 1 or 2 to go and spoil all your plans. The Indy 500 is such a chess game when the package allows for a lot of lead changes. That's when it really lives up to the hype.

  • @wanr5701
    @wanr5701 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    Another reason why overtaking in Formula E is easier; the car size is relatively smaller to the track width, than F1. In fact it is far easier to overtake in Monaco using Formula E cars.

    • @Harry29591
      @Harry29591 ปีที่แล้ว

      the Alonso safety car is night and day than the hundreds of overtake in FE

    • @valentinafuffa535
      @valentinafuffa535 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      F1 cars absolutely need to become smaller and lighter too, if there's one obvious choice to improve racing that's it.

    • @ShimmeringSpectrum
      @ShimmeringSpectrum ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Seriously, a Formula E race at Monaco is a treat to watch, unlike the procession in modern F1 at the track. The circuit is still great, it's just that F1 cars have physically outgrown it.

    • @furtivedig
      @furtivedig ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@valentinafuffa535 they would need to ditch the hybrid component, which unfortunately is only to get bigger.

    • @wanr5701
      @wanr5701 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@furtivedig they need to go for smaller, lighter and nimbler cars instead of truck sized road rollers.

  • @JohnCharb87
    @JohnCharb87 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Also a good strategy in Formula E is making use of your Attack Modes at the right time. I find pit strategies fascinating. Sometimes it works to your advantage. Often times it can screw you over just out of bad luck. For example In WEC the 2022 6hrs of Monza the leading Ferrari's in GTE Pro decided to pit in the last moments of the race for a splash of fuel. Their reasoning was the 3rd place Corvette would also pit. It didn't. The Corvette ended up winning the class by extreme fuel saving methods to the finish.

  • @24alexash
    @24alexash ปีที่แล้ว +62

    If people can look past the lack of combustion engines in FE they’ll realise it’s actually a really entertaining racing series. Amazing to watch live at the track too (definitely has some weird sounds tho). I see it having a massive boom in popularity in the next 5 or so years

    • @VenomousSpyro
      @VenomousSpyro ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think the stigma of how terrible electric cars are will turn people away from Formula E.

    • @dumbestoyster
      @dumbestoyster ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just can't get into it mate

    • @DiscGolfLeagueMVP
      @DiscGolfLeagueMVP ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dumbestoyster how come

    • @SunSunSunn
      @SunSunSunn ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dumbestoyster same, just dont care enough to get into a new sport. cant watch f2-f4 for the same reasons

    • @Greippi10
      @Greippi10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I can absolutely look past the combustion engines, but right now FE is garbage. It's even more boring than F1. I look forward to the day that F1 naturally evolves into fully electric, but it sure as shit is not any day soon.
      Edit: given 5 years or so, and dictator money, I think it can happen.

  • @MegaIronica
    @MegaIronica ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Formula E : "if you go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver" 😂

    • @WarBirdGhost
      @WarBirdGhost ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And getting pole position, makes you a tugboat.

    • @Checkyoursix77
      @Checkyoursix77 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Formula E isn’t racing!🤣😂

    • @jedlin1256
      @jedlin1256 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      To be fair Formuła E is known for some mad overtakes not seen in any other series

    • @Checkyoursix77
      @Checkyoursix77 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jedlin1256 That’s go karts too…

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jedlin1256 200 overtakes in a race, and not a single one matters by the last 10 laps.

  • @NemoConsequentae
    @NemoConsequentae ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The two steps guaranteed to win a race as one driver described their strategy:
    1. Get in front.
    2. And stay there.
    I recall one bike race where no one really wanted to be leading on the last lap, as the last corner was an easy overtake, unless you had a big gap to the person behind.

  • @dingus2218
    @dingus2218 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You're a legend, Scott - I watched the Formula E at Tempelhof a few years back and there was a season's worth of F1 overtaking by the halfway mark of the race... what a series!

  • @redflamesundur
    @redflamesundur ปีที่แล้ว +31

    This is also the strategy of bicycle racing, where it's not battery life but muscle endurance which is the limiting factor, and drafting (or even huge drafting groups in a peleton) is also a húge advantage. The result there is that races are won one of two ways: 1) someone has sufficiently faster pace to break away early, and create a gap which cannot be closed, even if their performance is relatively weaker at the end, or 2) everybody stays together for a 'mass sprint' at the end. In cycling, you also really see riders specialize in either endurance, or explosiveness. Interesting to see if a similar split would develop in a formula E with more loose technical regulation.

    • @velorama-x
      @velorama-x ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Very simplified when talking about stage wins, but yes. Apart from that, in longer races like the TdF strategy depends on what you want to achieve. In the points classification, it's important to get points through intermediate sprints and wins on the flatter stages. So it is beneficial in stages with intermediate sprints to get into a breakaway for those and depending on the stage then to fold back into the peloton until the end, when your team's sprint train will lead you into the bunch sprint at the finish. Climbers classification works a bit differently because drafting is less beneficial on climbs. Breakaways here (mountaineous stages) will usually form when the climbing starts and can proceed until the end if there's a summit finish which awards points. Of course if you're over the top first and are a good descender, those downhill sections can serve as a good spring board for a stage win. For general classification only time matters. Finishing stages first will give a bit of a time bonus, but it's not enough to warrant the risk of crashing out in a bunch sprint or . GC contenders usually don't breakaway unless it's a key stage (esp. in the last week) in an effort to put some time into their rivals, maybe even make them crack: th-cam.com/video/hWPJgytch0s/w-d-xo.html
      www.cyclingnews.com/features/giro-ditalia-classifications-and-rules-explained/

    • @Teriton
      @Teriton ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@velorama-x Cycling, where 10 different races are happening at the same time and often their goals don't align together, which makes it really exciting

    • @Greippi10
      @Greippi10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dear god please no don't make Formula into cycling. It is exciting if you're not doing anything in the middle of the day or are French.

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you want to kill all interest in motorsports, definitely make it more like cycling.

  • @JamesCrozier12
    @JamesCrozier12 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Love the videos Scott keep them coming 👍👍

  • @anubis520
    @anubis520 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    The cycling comparison is good but I want to take it a step further. To make the race even more exciting you can make the race a points race like you do in track cycling. Instead of simply winning at the end, distribute points every 10 laps (?) and double points at the end. This will give incentive to be more competitive and strategize. You could in turn make it a primes (pronounced preem) sprint or separate points category. Lets say you give the top 3 finishers some recognition and maybe a cash reward for the drivers/teams, this allows sponsors of the teams to get benefit from these mid race sprints and you can even have an additional race sponsor who can do the payout and have their own small segment.

    • @JLneonhug
      @JLneonhug ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My tiny brain can't compute that in the heat of the moment. Also there's Mario kart style boosts, fan boost etc etc don't forget. It's already very much whacky races already.

    • @anubis520
      @anubis520 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JLneonhug I can see how it would add more confusion, I only bring it up because it has been in cycling for decades and could incentivize not just sitting in 5th-6th

    • @joelambert7128
      @joelambert7128 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anubis520 if you can only see strategy as a hindrance to the spectacle of motor racing perhaps you should just watch drag racing. Everyone else understands there can be entertainment value in watching a decision being made early in a race, and only seeing its consequences realized in the dying laps.

    • @andreaturchet8790
      @andreaturchet8790 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JLneonhug I am pretty sure you are a huge follower of this championship! Fan Boost has been removed from this season, and the only actual boost you can use is the Attack Mode... Mario Kart what?

    • @stevewindisch2882
      @stevewindisch2882 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I like the preem idea. Could be even more fun if they do it like in criteriums where no one knows until they cross the start/finish line that the next lap will be awarded. Keeps people on their toes knowing at any point it could be a one lap sprint. In the sake of fairness, they could write down the lap numbers beforehand and put them in a sealed envelope so people know they're not playing favorites

  • @Bbenkosky
    @Bbenkosky ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Formula e has become my favorite, so much strategy and sliddy tires = awesome passing

  • @philspencelayh5464
    @philspencelayh5464 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That explains a lot. Every time there is a new iteration of Formula E I watch a couple of races and give up, nothing happens for most of the race then there are crashes and nothing much happens. It's like watching Monaco GP over and over again. If you're happy to just watch a few laps of flat out racing Rallycross is the thing, and you never fall asleep in the middle of it.

  • @Twongo
    @Twongo ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I used to race downhill skateboards. Depending on the course, the last place you wanted to be on the final straight was in the lead. Everyone behind could use the draft to get around you. When to actually "pull the trigger" was the hardest part of the strategy. The starts were hilarious, the cymbal would clang and no-one would take off. People pushing at 2 mph, looking to the side, faking taking off.... then, finally, someone would bolt thinking they'd get far enough ahead to avoid being drafted and everyone would scramble to stay on each other tails.

  • @DutchZXR
    @DutchZXR ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Intressing when its more about saving energy than giving slipstream.
    compared with Moto3/SSP300 where also no one wants to lead thats pure slipstream advantage in the final round of the race (sometimes even finale corner)

    • @marios449
      @marios449 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I believe it's pretty much the same phenomenon, instead of overtaking, you're using less throttle hence energy

    • @dalyxia
      @dalyxia ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What if a team builds 1 car to provide maximum slipstream for the other, then retiring the car halfway into the race, giving the other car maximum battery for the last part of the race. Would that break any rules?

    • @fortinbras47
      @fortinbras47 ปีที่แล้ว

      Being in the slipstream => racer faces less wind resistance => Racer can go faster with the same energy expenditure or go the same speed for less energy expenditure.
      It seems like you're making a distinction between nearly equivalent concepts?

    • @joelambert7128
      @joelambert7128 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fortinbras47 they are exactly equivalent concepts, and would both hold for any championship, electric or otherwise, where the cars don't need to generate lots of downforce to turn in competitive lap times - hence why the strategy they create isn't favoured in F1.

  • @revelare_xvii6269
    @revelare_xvii6269 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    The racing in Formula E is more intense than the sounds of the cars themselves.

    • @zandrak98
      @zandrak98 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Kinda boring

    • @alexgannon4139
      @alexgannon4139 ปีที่แล้ว

      Crashes are intense

    • @GoldenEDM_2018
      @GoldenEDM_2018 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      But a single race has more overtaking than a whole F1 season.

    • @alexgannon4139
      @alexgannon4139 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@GoldenEDM_2018 trust me I'm not saying the crashes are a negative

    • @DaveMcIroy
      @DaveMcIroy ปีที่แล้ว

      If they wouldn't drive on shit so called tracks...

  • @timzy4395
    @timzy4395 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's like Indycar oval racing at high speed ovals, you generally do not want to lead the race to save fuel so you have a massive fuel advantage later in the race

  • @shock7496
    @shock7496 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's also important to mention
    They qualifying plays a big part on this aswell, since those safe spots (p3 - p8) are fought off in duels
    "And if so, why would drivers want to start on pole?"
    Well, in Formula e, Pole position gives you 3 points
    So is still worth going for it
    Specialy considering how volatile the whole race is
    Also, their version of mandatory pit stops called Attack Mode
    Which grants acces to more power, but you have to take a line off the racing line to activate it
    Which usualy leads to a position switch
    Right now, the championship is still on play and up to 5 drivers could be fighting for it
    Gotta love Formula e

  • @wombat4191
    @wombat4191 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It's kinda weird how I can't really wrap my head around the fact that this kind of stuff is not necessarily bad in motorsport. Like, it seems perfectly natural in cycling, skiing, running, etc, because humans have limited performance reserves and exhausting yourself at the front can be damaging for your result, but it also gives you the best opportunity to make a move if you can handle the extra workload. But accepting that machines can have the same kind of dynamic and not instantly thinking that rules should be changed to counter this is hard for me, I guess I just have some images of motorsports in my head that differs from human endurance sports.

    • @fuzzblightyear145
      @fuzzblightyear145 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know what you mean. I always remember motorsport in the "good old days" as being drive as fast as you can, and first over the line wins. Now it's all tactics and managing your tyres/fuel/battery. I dunno, kind of takes the fun out of it.
      Now I like cycling, but other than sprint races, they are so booooring as everyone rides around in an energy saving pack for 200km, then you have 30 seconds of fun in the sprint.

    • @subjekt5577
      @subjekt5577 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean physics is physics. You only have so much energy to expend.
      That said I would like to see them just make the races shorter given how much of the time is spent essentially waiting and going through the motions than attacking. That said idk, maybe the drivers prefer to be better attuned to the track, competitors, and environment before going all out and that's why they need all the "boring" laps

    • @wombat4191
      @wombat4191 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@subjekt5577 There is a difference in the anatomy of a human and a machine. Machines can go pretty much at their full power until they are out of fuel, and you can essentially remove limits by allowing more fuel. For humans the fuel reserves and how long you can go are not as strictly defined, there's a thing called getting tired/exhausted, and humans can recover their strength to a certain degree by going a bit easier for a while.
      So while physics is physics, the exact same laws do not apply in the two cases.

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I miss when racing was all about who could build the fastest reliable machines, and who could be brave and talented enough to tame them. The idea of driving slower so as to conserve fuel/energy is almost antithetical to the ethos of race car driving. With competition being kept so artificially close, it's also hard to build stars in the sport. When everyone has an equal chance of being the winner, everyone loses. I'd rather follow racing with a Max Verstappen that wins every time than a racing series where any nameless random can get lucky.

  • @tylerdando
    @tylerdando ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Jake Dennis and George Russell need a podcast together 🤣

    • @spageen
      @spageen ปีที่แล้ว

      you can add Lando Norris too

  • @achimsinn6189
    @achimsinn6189 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This also reminds me of indoor cycling where they put the strategy of not being ahead to the extreme. There they had to add a rule that makes one of the cyclist the dedicated leader and that one is banned from completely standing still in order to prevent boring phases of an absolute standstill in the first part of the race.

  • @kierendawson3707
    @kierendawson3707 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For peak stratergy racing watch Super GT (Japan) where your car gets weight added for each point you get in the championship. So cars need to plan out their entire season and adjust their strategy every race, not only to win where it matters but to only place where needed to be light enough to be competitive in the next race

  • @fintonmainz7845
    @fintonmainz7845 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Two teammates working together must allow good strategies in formula e

  • @asmhsn6968
    @asmhsn6968 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jake sounds like long lost brother of Lando and George.

  • @martinterreni1616
    @martinterreni1616 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Please keep on reviewing Formula E

  • @wolfendenracing2826
    @wolfendenracing2826 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That’s terrible. Fuck that, no battles for the lead.

  • @Nagstersept109868
    @Nagstersept109868 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The races at Brazil and Berlin were especially like this. I think the teams made a mistake and over compensated in Monaco, thinking it would be the same way. They were overly conservative with their energy usage in the first half.

    • @andrewcarter9649
      @andrewcarter9649 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would argue it was the other way round, Nick Cassidey lead the last 16 laps in Berlin despite not wanting to but still won handily, and we saw at times in the earlier races that even with an energy advantage it might not matter because everyone is pushing flat out. These Gen 3 cars are very different to the Gen 2 so the teams and drivers are still fine tuning how to get the best out of them.

  • @eduardoazeredo6250
    @eduardoazeredo6250 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think this strategy is similar to oval racing, where staying in the pack always pays it off and if you end up alone in a group of your own, you're in trouble.

  • @BastianGrimm2511
    @BastianGrimm2511 ปีที่แล้ว

    Showing the Caddy going off in Spa was absolutely savage! 🙈

  • @formula1facebookfan
    @formula1facebookfan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    20% more energy is crazy

  • @cancracker
    @cancracker ปีที่แล้ว

    You hit the nail on the head comparing Formula E races to Cycling where only the last kilometers or laps deserve to be shown on TV as the rest is a waste of time.
    PS. My sincere condoleances for having to sit through an entire FE race 🤣

  • @DrEdwid
    @DrEdwid ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Jake Dennis sounds more like George Russell than George Russell

    • @pranavps851
      @pranavps851 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Crikey

    • @unthenner5519
      @unthenner5519 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even has the mannerisms! It's weird!

  • @ananastudio
    @ananastudio ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:32 nice cut before the Caddy's crash lmao

  • @MertSerim
    @MertSerim ปีที่แล้ว

    Not the technology, not because they're electric but this video could get me into Formula E! What a quality content!

  • @ghostinthesauce7279
    @ghostinthesauce7279 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    the new E cars look sick

    • @ferglesnerk
      @ferglesnerk ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, like a spew pile of vomit in the gutter.

    • @erikheijden9828
      @erikheijden9828 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They also sound sick, sick as in horrible.

    • @jargonizations
      @jargonizations ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@ferglesnerk typical old people mentality

  • @DjFIL007
    @DjFIL007 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've watched Formula E since season one. Most people just see slow cars and "annoying" noises... I see the technology development and the insanely deep strategy (exactly what you touched on today). Formula E has been AMAZING the past few seasons and needs more eyes.

    • @Hoodsonbr
      @Hoodsonbr ปีที่แล้ว

      I actually like 'slow' cars, but that noise...

    • @Tommmmmmmmmmmm
      @Tommmmmmmmmmmm ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The gen 3 cars have made FE very interesting

    • @Indrakusuma_a
      @Indrakusuma_a ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Hoodsonbr I don't actually mind the noise, it's the car that is just weird and ugly(for me) and their decision not to race on traditional permanent race tracks.

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As long as Formula E wants to be a glorified cycling race, I'm afraid I won't be interested. I want to see the fastest cars and best drivers win, not the ones with the best mathematicians calculating the most efficient (meaning slow) pace.

  • @12th.jahlil
    @12th.jahlil ปีที่แล้ว

    The endurance racing clip being one where the cadillac crashed was wild 😭😭

  • @jcnbw01
    @jcnbw01 ปีที่แล้ว

    i haven't seen a Formula E race; had no idea how similar it is to cycling. Will start watching when i can.

  • @ronjadaslieblicheeinhorn3234
    @ronjadaslieblicheeinhorn3234 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i personally think, Formula E is pretty underrated. Yes it lacks the engine sounds, but honestly. the races are most of the times more entertaining, though it sometimes looks like mario kart combined with F1 22 open Lobbies

  • @samueljayachandran2849
    @samueljayachandran2849 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2:08 his voice sounds quite similar to George Russell now that I think about it

  • @istdochegal274
    @istdochegal274 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They didn't want to overtake because they feared the blue turtle...

  • @hobog
    @hobog ปีที่แล้ว

    Reminds me of the strategy in my professional Mariokart DS career: avoid blue shells by staying in 2nd or 3rd until the last moment. Or, I'd just lead by so much that the blue shell matters none

  • @jareknowak8712
    @jareknowak8712 ปีที่แล้ว

    THIS will never replace F1.

  • @organicmolecules
    @organicmolecules ปีที่แล้ว

    The cycling equivalent of defeating this strategy is the breakaway (a handful of riders speed out ahead of the pack and work together to share turns at front). It'd be interesting to see if that creeps up in E, but it's likely the cars don't have the performance characteristics necessary to make that efficient, not to mention it's a lot harder to swap lead and communicate strategy with rivals.

  • @FT3S
    @FT3S ปีที่แล้ว

    Simple fix, the leader is rewarded with energy perks for every lap that they lead.

  • @cbongphd
    @cbongphd ปีที่แล้ว

    This like a cycling race - such as Tour de France. you have a peloton group and a break away group. Usually the large hive group end up winning the race because they are all sharing to reduce effort plowing through the air.

  • @vjollila96
    @vjollila96 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    reminds me of nascar on superspeedways (talladega, daytona)

  • @itzed
    @itzed ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I get that that strategy is interesting. But I miss the full time all out effort of speed.

  • @beanswiththecheese
    @beanswiththecheese ปีที่แล้ว

    5:36 The music in the pitlanes 😂

  • @Nekonaut_aka_Jebus
    @Nekonaut_aka_Jebus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the cycling references! love both sports!

  • @eduardoazeredo6250
    @eduardoazeredo6250 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not sure if it happened during the race you watched, but Formula E also has another unusual feature. They have additional laps included mid-race if there were too many laps under Safety Car. Such a measure pushes drivers even more towards energy saving.

  • @margsmiloo5511
    @margsmiloo5511 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It feels like cycling race

  • @unthenner5519
    @unthenner5519 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This guy has the voice AND mannerisms of George Russell

  • @randomguyontheinterweb
    @randomguyontheinterweb ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Imagine Ferrari F1 strategists in Formula E 😂

  • @cristheojon4884
    @cristheojon4884 ปีที่แล้ว

    the drivers themselves said that competing in formula e and driving a formula e car is kinda like chess because of how many things the driver has to think about.

  • @Jewish.Hotdog
    @Jewish.Hotdog ปีที่แล้ว

    I drive a hybrid plugin with regrn breaking. And yeah the key to keeping the battery alive is momentem and careful acceleration inputs. Cant be smashing going flat out u gotta ease into it and carry as much inertia as possible

  • @StoneMountain64
    @StoneMountain64 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    havent watched forumula e yet, but this sounds like it would be an incredible watch

    • @AverageSneedEnjoyer
      @AverageSneedEnjoyer ปีที่แล้ว

      They have hundreds of overtakes per race, it's a really great series to watch. Biggest downside is just the sound lol

    • @kruemelfelix
      @kruemelfelix ปีที่แล้ว

      Formula E really can't be predicted. It's insane in terms of championship competition. Really fun to watch, especially since this season the Gen3 cars are also pretty damn fast. Just watch the last Monaco ePrix from last week or so.
      And if you can try to get to a race at some point to get a closer look at the cars. They don't have brakes in the front and only emergency brakes in the back, really cool.

  • @DiamondEli
    @DiamondEli ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tell me why Jake Dennis at 2:01 sounds like George Russell

  • @JackMott
    @JackMott ปีที่แล้ว

    cycling is like this but you have a few teammates to do the towing so the race can get going :)

  • @FunBanan117
    @FunBanan117 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just give additional points for top positions every lap. I think this fits fine in FE concept.

  • @autdelux
    @autdelux ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thats what every pure racer wants ... saving energy ...

    • @zkwalban5288
      @zkwalban5288 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Motorsports and every competitive environment in all about saving energy. If you consume 2x less energy than your opponent, you put 2x less fuel, you are lighter, you go faster, you win.

    • @MrMichalMalek
      @MrMichalMalek ปีที่แล้ว

      F1 is all about conserving the tyres, yet none of the purist seems to abandon F1 for that.

  • @jsveiga
    @jsveiga ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some track bicycle racing categories have the derny (a motorized bicycle), that runs at the front in the first part of the race, to set the pace and break the wind resistance. Maybe Formula E will need that, or strategy for saving battery will end up creating crawling races up to the last lap, like the closed track bicycle races without derny.

    • @andrewcarter9649
      @andrewcarter9649 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not going to happen. Jake was wrong about it being only the last 5 laps that you push for the win, the teams are finding that you can push earlier for the win and be fine, these cars are at the start of their life cycle so the teams are still fine tuning their race stratagies.

  • @tupublicoful
    @tupublicoful ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s a fuel resource limited strategy. Just like cycling. You push at the end when others are depleted.

  • @ElliottNest41
    @ElliottNest41 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good video, great explanation.

  • @EpochIsEpic
    @EpochIsEpic ปีที่แล้ว

    A form of racing where nobody wants to be in the lead seems like it wouldn’t work very well

  • @jacklougheed4561
    @jacklougheed4561 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is basically nascar strategy. Watch a race. Easy racing until the end of a stint where there is some jockeying, then the last 5 laps are war.

  • @jamiegriffith636
    @jamiegriffith636 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nascar drivers do this at daytona and talladega alot, I've watched my favorite driver Jimmie Johnson do this strategy many times before and end up winning.

  • @Stefan-qy4ro
    @Stefan-qy4ro ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Reminds me of F1's early 2022 DRS chicken.

    • @adityairawan1843
      @adityairawan1843 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Jeddah DRS Chicken Game was something. Charles and Max were throwing "no u" at each other until they locked up their tyres.

  • @illbeback2YT
    @illbeback2YT ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If saving energy becomes a dominant factor for winning in racing, the racing becomes terminally ill.

    • @blackjacktrial
      @blackjacktrial ปีที่แล้ว

      F1 has this with engine map settings already though.

    • @-row-garfield3129
      @-row-garfield3129 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blackjacktrial they can't change mapping during the race anymore

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@blackjacktrial Funny how the more motorsports pushes to decrease power/speed and make races artificially close, the less people are watching and following motorsports. I'm sure there's no connection...

  • @frankhage1734
    @frankhage1734 ปีที่แล้ว

    The audience is able to hear the tires and suspension over the engine and transmission noise. It's quite interesting. Just like RC airplanes, if you want to preserve the sport, you can't make so much noise. Some people actually like the sound of a nitro-methane 2-stroke running at 20k. I'd rather have instant power and quiet.

  • @vaudevillian7
    @vaudevillian7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very similar to the Indy 500

  • @vlbz
    @vlbz ปีที่แล้ว

    Cross country mountain bike racers do this. It takes extra effort to lead, easier to follow. They could put a generator in the cars, so drivers can pedal a bit on the straights for extra power.

    • @davidspagnolo4870
      @davidspagnolo4870 ปีที่แล้ว

      All mass-start cycling tactics are based on saving energy until decisive points in the race. A lot of times it's not the strongest or fastest rider to win, it's the one that's freshest when they get to the end.

  • @dalyxia
    @dalyxia ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So, formula E is just like indoor oval sprint cycling, first 10 laps is a cat and mouse game of who goes first, with very low speeds, then last laps its a tactical game like a rolling restart.

  • @veloxsterinkognito7512
    @veloxsterinkognito7512 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you talking about the Berlin race? I watched that too, and there only was racing for 9 laps at the end. The rest was cruising around to save energy.

  • @AllendynastyMC
    @AllendynastyMC ปีที่แล้ว

    It's like Superspeedway (Daytona, Talledega, Atlanta) racing in NASCAR

  • @Xamarin491
    @Xamarin491 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If FE drivers have to be so worried about energy that they aren't even willing to lead the race anymore, you know something is broken in the system. This should be a non-problem in racing.

  • @OscarZheng50
    @OscarZheng50 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    basically the opposite of f1, in f1 drivers want to overtake right off the bat then save tires and fuel but then, they don't have to worry as much about whether or not they will have enough energy to finish the race and thats what makes formula e stand out from other types of racing, its more about strategy than your car's speed

  • @mihalis1010
    @mihalis1010 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is actually a lot like pro cycling racing. No one wants to lead for the multiple hundred kilometer stage until the last few kilometers when the leadouts try and get sprinters into position for a final 1500 meter or so sprint.

  • @bhillson
    @bhillson ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is what I thought F1 was aiming for making it easy or beneficial to follow.

    • @Appletank8
      @Appletank8 ปีที่แล้ว

      The only way you can truly make following in both turns and straights is to have a lot less downforce. It's F1's Achilles heel. Good downforce allows for great cornering speeds, but is very sensitive to what the air is doing in front. A rule set that allows for a strong tow in the straights (dirty air) means the following car has no air for corners. Inversely the rules that reduce the loss of downforce in the corners result in a weaker tow effect.
      Formula E just doesn't allow cars to have high downforce, making the inherently draggy design of open wheel cars get a big boost when hiding in the aero shadow of the lead cars in straights and turns.

  • @repook66
    @repook66 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The same thing happens at really high speed tracks in Mini classes in karting

  • @mauricerose3082
    @mauricerose3082 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    ...it's like Tour de France...?

  • @robiulahmed
    @robiulahmed ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They should just keep the race as long as how many laps a car can go flat out.

    • @thorstenfinke2751
      @thorstenfinke2751 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would be quite short and conserving energy is a crucial and interesting strategy. The new cars of Gen3 overshoot in this regard in my humble opinion, but shortening the races could be a tape fix solution in the medium term.

    • @robiulahmed
      @robiulahmed ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thorstenfinke2751 True.

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thorstenfinke2751 They could increase fuel or energy storage capacity, but they choose not to. While hardcore fans will always be happy to watch close racing, I think motorsports is missing out on millions of additional viewers because they refuse to give most of us what we want: the fastest possible machines being driven flat out by absolute madmen. Anything less than that, and a huge number of potential fans lose interest.

  • @_bstr_ct1832
    @_bstr_ct1832 ปีที่แล้ว

    More prestige should be given to the idea of someone being an F1 and FE champion

  • @RCRitterFPV
    @RCRitterFPV ปีที่แล้ว

    F1 needs much more of this, add in 1l Forced induction engines or 2l NA...
    A small KERS system. Limit total fuel. but no limit on fuel flow.
    Make the aero engineers fight more for drag than downforce.

  • @tankbusters2595
    @tankbusters2595 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a video on why drag race brakes are different than normal racing breaks. And why drag race brakes aren’t round.

  • @gwcrispi
    @gwcrispi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The new cars look like something a 10 year old would design.

  • @mjtt12
    @mjtt12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds like they need a hot swap battery that would take like 10 seconds to change so there could be extra strategy without a boring 35/40 laps

  • @Chris-bm5qd
    @Chris-bm5qd ปีที่แล้ว

    We all went from 99.9 to 100% certain that it was to save battery energy.

  • @jonathansanchez1305
    @jonathansanchez1305 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Delicantcy" is not a word 😂

  • @felipealcabri
    @felipealcabri ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The guy beat Leclerc, Stroll, Russell and Albon. And all got beaten by Giovinazzi. That's crazy how getting a top3 in F3 doesn't mean you will stay in F1, or ever race...

  • @newt.h2905
    @newt.h2905 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It made the race fun!

  • @TheDude50447
    @TheDude50447 ปีที่แล้ว

    So many comments about this being so interesting and how it makes it more strategic. The way I see it its much harder to stay in front than just getting slow and overtaken. Oh I dont wanna be in front just make the pit stop take 10 seconds ...

  • @nept123
    @nept123 ปีที่แล้ว

    So when do we get a 21 day race with mountains to really test the longevity and strength of the cars

  • @evernewb2073
    @evernewb2073 ปีที่แล้ว

    "there were 190 overtakes in only 40 laps"
    wait, over how many drivers? all interacting?
    yeahhh...that is still basically zero?
    makes a lot of sense really: they can't really take a lot of risk + they're on a fairly even playing field + overtaking is inherently slower than just driving normally = you only really get a chance to pass when something goes wrong and they _are_ actually rather quite good at this. there is a very good reason that "passing in the pits" is pretty much the go-to tactic in most racing

  • @ewetoo
    @ewetoo ปีที่แล้ว +6

    formula e = tour de france, metaphor get