I'm a black female South African born in the early 90s. I feel it is unfair for some people to behave as if crime is only directed to them. I have been a victim of crime a number of times. Should I then hate black people amd call them k***...Also why should I be hated for the actions of a criminal? It is just too often that I hear people became racist because something happened to them, bad things happen to us black people too. Rather hate the action not the entire race. Racism is unacceptable.
I agree but imagine if said crimes where perpetrated by whites? Would you earnestly feel the same because a large part of non white South Africans feel its okay to hate because somehow we all supported Apartheid and it is a green light to hate all.
Racism is about thinking you are better than other people. How many times have heard the derogatory word "gam" used towards residents of the Cape Flats. I haven't seen anyone going to jail for using the "g" word, have you?
Racism is a "spiritual challenge/problem"...the worst form of mental and emotional enslavement...worse and lethal to the racists more so to those who are being "racisted upon"...domination survives and persists at and from an arrogant and ignorant level and point of view. Racists sold their souls to dark forces that feed on others' dignity blood sweat and tears...sheer evil.
ayanda ndaba And hopefully you include Julius Malema amongst your "enslaved" racists....and that he will soon be prosecuted for his incitement to violence against white skinned South Africans.
van graan you more than welcome to direct your concern in this regard with the founding fathers and the "establishment" of racism apartheid segregation colonialism and all that has to do with the ill treatment of persons of colour. Racism is a cult...and sadly racists are groomed at home...and as for Julius Malema...take your discomfort with him or the EFF. By the way you are entitled to your line of thought and your perceptions...just as much as i am.
I'm a Black American in Cape Town SA. I have no sympathy for Nic's brother Adam, and I dont think Nic was surprised to hear this from his brother. If he feels comfortable putting racist posts online it is likely he's voiced these types of opinions in private. Also, I'm not familiar with this radio station but the interviewer here sounds soft. IMO
So they don't call each other out on their racism until it's made public and it affects their pockets? It's not easy to sympathize but black people will always forgive and we will move on because we know why you hate us. Edit: having read the comments on this video and upon introspection I've decided it would be fallacy to my ancestors who died for our freedom to forgive, especially when the offender has shown no remorse. We can't forgive evil.
Akona lol, please, how many black affluent people called out malema, (a public figure, a pm, a politician,) for saying he wants to slide the throat of whiteness , and he is going to kill whites but not yet. Millions and millions of people have applaud him for making such genocidal statements.
Ayanda Linda the racism debate became a tool for many politicians to gain votes, politicians trade in division, hate, identity politics and victimhood. Racism is a product of a divided society,
Firstly , Eusebius is a brilliant journalist! Secondly this man needs a greater audience because he epitomizes change in our country. A responsible leader in his family. Hard to see even years later!
I am black and I applaud the bro for opening up to have this necessary but difficult conversation. Healing and growth happens with painful conversations.
Nobody should feel in anyway sorry for this family. Hes in a country where the native black people went through hell by the hands of people like nick and his brother. Dont feel no sympathy
@@pistolpete8231 do you really think a job has any comparisons to a word called pride? Self belief and doing what is right for the greater good of your people. People can find work with an employee who respects them.... not only uses them for cheap labour and after they have served there porpous cant stand to even look at there black skin.... the same black skin that helped them get rich.
@@eyeswideopen7126 what you're saying makes zero sense. Companies are being shut down because an individual WHO HAD ZERO TIES with said companies other than being related to one of its executives - decided to be racist. Sorry but pride has nothing to do with anything. This racist lost his job, he was humiliated publicly as he should be. I don't understand how shutting down a business makes any logical sense. If the CEO of my company called me a N word. Trust me, he'd lose his job. But suggesting that the company shuts down - therefore making ppl lose their livelihood - is plain and simple DUMB. Are u going to put food in these ppl's plates when they can't take care of their families anymore?
@@eyeswideopen7126 p.s....you must not live in the real world because as a black man who's experienced racism, racism exists and is not going anywhere. Just because an employer respects you DOES NOT mean he doesn't call u racial slurs behind your back...go think about that for a second. The only difference here is that this guy actually said it.
As a Young Black South African I applaud Nick for coming onto this show and opening up a dialogue around this sensitive topic... It can't be easy for him to do yet it's good he sees it has to be done. I applaud you Nick
And what about the packs of singing, dancing blacks who attack white people every day in South Africa? Saying a rude word on a beach in Greece is of no importance.
So what should he do commit suicide. Is there a path for forgiveness and healing. What about the boulders that were thrown at his brother. Not excusing using the word but is that at least a factor? Let's cut the shit and live as brothers.
I'm a black South African... and the K word does nothing to me but give me an impression that the person saying the slur has racial issues and I just ignore and carry on with my happy and free life... one day, I think we will in the future laugh about "Remember when we use to cause a nation panic over the K word" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hi Mpho, good to read a mature reply amongst all the rhetoric. We are so busy tearing each other apart that we are ignoring the problems building up in Southern Africa. Most idiots commenting here will not even know about most of it, but it will engulf our society within the next ten years. Chaos is coming.
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What a great and reasonable response Moho .. I hope we can all look back one day and laugh about this .
Being brought up in Apartheid SA (Born in 1981),yes white privilige isnt a rumour,I sat in a class room where the white teacher told us,we shouldn't slag cause then one day we will work under a black person,you were constantly told watch out for black people,until 18 you are told what to believe,but then you are getting a brain(lol) and start working things out for yourself,like I was robbed at knife point by black kids,for 2 days I hated ALL black people,but then I sat myself down and said,dont be mad at all black people,but be mad at those individuals that attacked you,I know alot of black people I have a very good relationship and then there are black people I dont want 100meters from me.....BUT then exactly the same I have good relationship with alot of white people and there are white people I also dont want 100meters from me,and in all honesty the last 10 times I had something criminal being done to me 9 out 10 times it was white people. Unfortunally!!!! Im addicted to politics and politics has a way to play one race against another but you always have to apply your mind to understand the agenda behind the persons statement. What we have in SA is Black People and White People that hate each other within there core.These kind of people irritate me very easily,but what I love is to have a good intense conversation about race issues without fighting and without a goal the be the "winner" in the conversation but to walk away and learned something from the other person,thats time well spend. The thing Im struggling with currently is Yes Sparrow,Adam and the real estate lady said racist things and rightfully should and are paying the price,but the black student that had a T shirt written "Kill All Whites" Correct me if Im wrong........NOTHING was done or said?!!!!!! Im 100% for Equality I HATE double standards!!!!
I wish we lived in a world where people who did the bad deed come forward and allow themselves to be held accountable and not hide out abroad - Adam is trash for letting his brother Nic take the heat for this and have to come explain or rectify what his brother did.
No, you did not have to mention colour........I did......and for good reason. Whites are constantly accused of racism, take the commentator just above, miss Pule......claiming all whites are racist......which is rather silly as it only shows that she does not understand human nature and it's tendencies to seek what is comfortable.....what one is used to, what is a habit or traditional.......Think about it. I have lived in several countries, my backside is white but I was not always accepted by others that looked like me for some of the same reasons I mentioned.......One cannot collectively judge. One cannot cry racism all the time....
Antoinie de Vry - People cry racism when it comes out and it does not only come from White people but all races, what Adam did was RACISM there is no excuse...so do not tell the majority what to feel when you never experienced what black people in S.A experience every single day - the back burner the same people who created the K word is still affecting all black people...take some time to make a black friend and I am not talking about a wealthy or middle class individual but someone who is at the lowest trying to survive daily and wondering where their next meal is going to come from and then take on an experiment of actually walking in their shoes for at least a week and then lets see if the racism that the minority spew can be classified as black people "crying out racism all the time..."
Adam is a coward. You can clearly see how this thing has affected nic, he clearly says he grew up during apartheid, his daily life was governed by a system which he has tried by every means to get away from, yet through all this he has had everything taken away from him. But Mpho you are right about having the one who needs to be accountable to come forward. This whole thing has created unnecessary victims. Even more so than nic, imagine the consequences its played on those working for nic at grassroots level. Society has taken complicity to an unnecessary level.
That was a great interview of Nic Catzavelos by Eusebius McKaiser about the racist rant of the interviewee's brother. Let's give credit where credit is due. We need these kinds of competent journalist/interviewers.
@PhArAoH KhAfrA PyRaMiD how ironic that you want to throw someone in prison for using an offensive word yet you also calll people of another race an offensive word. Hypocrite!
You know what, many whites I know use this word. I've used it in my past as well. I learned to used it by hearing my elders use it. It was always in a certain context of people without self control and I learned to use it in that context. I didn't necessarily mean black people when I used it. I used it as to reference uncivilized and uncouth individuals, regardless of race. I have only realised recently how people only ever use it to describe black people so I have made a concerted effort to stop because people dont take it in the way that I mean for it to be interpreted. To me it's like calling someone a barbarian or neanderthal. Those terms have no race attached to them. That is not to say that I dont have prejudice ingrained into me. Like Nic said, we all have these prejudices instilled in us from when we are young. But what we need to focus on is that it is a learned behaviour. Anything that can be learned can also be unlearned. To take the opposite approach and say that you dont see colour is also wrong. Then you're basically saying that there is something so wrong with a different race that you have to pretend that a person of another ethnicity doesn't have that skin colour. Another thing... we use this word 'race' very interchangeably with ethnicity. There is no race gene. There is only 1 race, the human race. It's a race that we are all members of. Each of us needs to hold ourselves accountable for the way we think. Racism starts when you stop seeing a certain ethnicity as being human. When you see them as unable to learn or develop. When you basically see them as inferior to your own ethnicity. By this definition I dont see myself as racist. I do admit that I am prejudice and predisposed to certain reactions in certain situations. All I can do is hold myself accountable. There is no reason for me to go around broadcasting about my inner conflict between who I am and who I want to be. With the way things are going in South Africa, I would be interpreted as a racist, which I am not. What Nick's brother did was wrong. But not to be funny... I have never met a Greek who was not racist. A Greek who didnt judge you. Not saying it's right or that it excuses him. His learned behaviour probably came from many sources and was most likely supported or ignored. I dont know if Jesus was the human incarnation of God or just a really committed prophet. But hearing people say Jesus Christ negatively makes me angry and in most cases I will call them on it. It is a reaction I learned from people I grew up with. It's not logical and makes no sense to me but I do it anyways. The same applies to racism or prejudice. We need to feel angry and offended when we hear blatant racism from our friends or family, regardless of your ethnicity. Kind of like if your friend was bragging about raping his 3 year old daughter. You would call him out on it and even hold him accountable. Racism is never ok. To make any person feel targeted or inferior because of their race is reprehensible and immoral... It should be treated as such.
Too much racism in this country. Im indian I went to a majority white school and married a beautiful black women and my best friend is coloured. Way too much racism in sa it kills me
What Nic said in his closing remarks was beautiful. I've waited so long to hear those words coming out of the mouth a a white South African male. Sadly not many white South Africans can say what this guy has said in the end. This was incredibly difficult to watch and I'm still processing the mixed bag of emotions I have but I am glad I watch this to the end.
This being happing to South Africa make me as a Ghanaian want to thank Dr. Kwame Nkrumah who foresaw this coming in the near future not for Ghana alone but the entire African content. As he said on Ghana' independence day on 6th march 1957 that " our independence is meaningless until it's liked to total liberation of African continent" Ghana has, is and will always be with you in times like this. My heart goes out for South Africa.
Ndaba is exactly the type of person i love and would love to have a conversation with. If you ever get to reading my comment Ndaba please try get in touch.
Thanks Eusebius, this was an excellent interview!!! I just want to say this, we are ALL different in colour on the outside, but damn man, we all bleed the same from the inside!!! Love one another as human beings, we have one life, let's make it the best life!
Nic, i felt your pain and appreciated how you faced the heat. I honestly felt so sorry for you. I hope that this interview will create healthy conversations that will heal our complex aftermath of SA history. I am a recovering Black racist and it has been an a long 25 years of struggling with issues of me being black, wishing that i was born different. After all these years i am glad to announce that i have diverse friendships across the race spectrum and the past couple of years, the racist rants of white South Africans almost revived my black racist attitudes again. What racists don't seem to understand is that racism is an attack on your entire being and it questions and undermmines your existence, to constantly live your life to prove that you have a right to be is exhausting and it makes one resort to, among others things, violence against the perpetrators which in turn creates a cycle of hatred. Thank you so much for being honest and open about the whole thing. You give me a lot of hope about the future of our belobed SA. Blessings to you.
Never underestimate the hatred of black people which white South African males were taught in the army! I have heard the stories told by few white males in different occasions. I don’t know Nic from a bar of soap. If what he said is true. He surely has done a lot of work to overcome what he was taught as a young white male in the SADF! For a white man to acknowledge white privilege this day and age! Big-up to Nic! But his brother needs a hiding and solitary confinement.! He must be strongly encouraged to correct his degrading views of black folk.
NIc is right, no one is being honest. Here's an honest question: why doesn't the question arise in this 'journalism': was a charge laid against the guys who threw a rock at Adam's tent? Why do we consider those people as the victims of Adam's words while ignoring the fact that millions of us feel we are victims of the kind of racism which sweeps these acts of violence under the rug? Are we honestly supposed to consider those rock throwing people (the target of Adam's violent words) as the victims here? Should they come forward and lay a charge of psychological violence against Adam? There's a tremendous amount of hatred, and dishonesty in the country. In large portion from 'journalists' like Eusebius who scratch just deep enough to be popular, but not deep enough to get to the bottom of it (for fear of reprisals). People react to this, and they don't react in progressive ways, they tend to be reactionary. Adam's reaction is not progressive, sure. But neither is selectively taking up arms when one person does something ridiculous like this. To be clear, racism is when someone doesn't perform his job efficiently, gives you that typical slow, lazy, lean against the wall attitude knowing full well, that should you be crazy enough to object, you will face serious consequences. This is also a form of racism. It's a form of 'black privilege'. Racist attitudes exist which force people to remain silent or worse, pretend that things are perfect in the country 'except for a few hardcore racists'. We are choosing the weakest to target, and we are sweeping the truth under the carpet here. So, find those bastards who threw the rock at Adm.. charge them.
It is unfortunate that you have misunderstood what I said. It doesn't help us to focus on one man's emotional reaction, because it is expedient to ignore the cause of his emotional reaction. Being expedient or myopic in this way displays a level of hatred for the group with which we may associate him. If you can comprehend this, you will understand that it is racialistic to focus on what he said or did, blaming history, and grouping him and others who look like him in one bunch of the term 'racists'. What we have is a serious socio economic problem which if not addressed, will splinter people along racial lines unless we stop accusing one another of racism like this. What he said, his emotional response is unhelpful and many other things, but it is not a crime. The crime is in failing to understand the causes or mis ascribing the causes to something which it is not.
@londeka Zikalala, racist pitchfork holders and kangaroo courts never fail to amaze me. Your actions will do nothing but perpetuate the racism which is born of ignorance and inferiority. Consider how Steve Biko would react to this type of situation and try to emulate that. Be scholarly and rational and use vision when you analyse something so that your reaction is progressive, instead of reactionary. Remember that the people who threw rocks at one man, will do the same to you, unless we react in a progressive way to solve our problems. BUt I will leave you to your comfort zone of hatred in a large group of like-minded racists. When you are ready, we can talk. Perhaps it is your children or great grand children who will do it - unless you muster up enough courage to actualy think and speak with a rational voice.
I'm a Pan Africanist at heart, the truth is, outrage is the only thing we can show as Africans and its all a big distraction. If you do honesty self reflection you have to admit is that we are weak and meek at this current moment which is why everyone takes chances on us. The word Fong Fonk used to be said to mock China but no one is laughing today because China is a powerful country. For as long as Pan Africa is still a cub and has not awoken the lion within, the potential of African people as a group will remain something for foreigners to exploit. I urge Africans everywhere to read Kwame Nkrumah works and make sure your whole family is read up and woke because we need to wake up as a people. China's money will not be our salvation, that's just trading European colonizers for Asian ones. The reason their words hurt you is because we don't have shit to show of our own. If the spell checker sees your name as a spelling mistake or you cannot count to 10 in your native tongue you are still colonised and by definition weak my brother and sister. The DNA that prints in your soul doesn't even recognise you, so where is your power going to come from African Child? Africa in not yet Uhuru. It all comes down to strength. We say Amandla awethu, but as things are, is strength really ours?
JUST A QUESTION A YEAR BACK I WAS CALLED WALKING IN A STREET AND OUT OF THE BLUE I WAS CALLED A WHITE DOG BY A MAN DRESSED IN RED WITH A RED CAP WHAT I DID NEVER SPOKE TO OR KNOWN JUST PASSED ON THE STREET. WAS THAT RASSIS OR NOT ? I JUST WALKED AWAY AND ASK OUR GOD TO FORGIVE HIM.
I stopped at a T-Junction in a small town on the East Rand. Across the road is the ingress of the town driving training centre which access the road I intended turning into. A black driver seemed to want to enter the road into the same direction that I intended to drive. He entered the intersection prior to me and therefore I signalled for the other driver to proceed. He did not seem to see that I was giving him right of way, or was just waiting for me to proceed. After signalling another two times, I eventually proceeded. When I did that the other driver made a half U-turn going into the opposite direction where after I realised why her wanted me to go first. This story is not about the other driver though. This story is about a black spectator that was standing on the corner. A year ago, I would not have had any reason to suspect that he created some kind of opinion about my actions as he observed it. When I passed him this morning I suspected that this man thought I was just another fucking stupid white guy, or referencing me in his mind with some defamatory term which is the equivalent black people use as the K-word for white people, because I did not realise what the driver on the other side of the road intended to do. I do not know if this guy in fact thought anything along those lines, but the fact that the believe occurred to me speaks volumes about the perceived prejudices. The fact is that since about March this year I suspect that race relations in this country was set back about 30 years. All the comments I hear here is that every white person must be a racist because we have evidence that at least one white person is a racist. Whether you believe it or not, it sadly goes both ways. The double standards Eusebius practice by not calling out and defending white people who are constantly accused of being rapists, murderers, or land thieves, with reference to something which there seems to be very little evidence in support of actually having occurred 100ds of years before seems, by his own admission, evidence of his racism. I don't know if we can turn this around again. The turning point previously was the 1994 elections and transfer of political power with a message of reconciliation, application of affirmative action, and some truth and reconciliation investigations. We do not have any of that to fall back on now. When I read the comments here, all I read is hate.
Londeka Zikalala the topic at hand is the expression of racial aggression as evidence of racisim. We are not digressing. I am suggesting that he is hypocritical by reproaching Nic for not confronting his brother while all these insults are hurled at white people in general and he fails to call them out for what they are. A bunch of racist black supremises.
I love Eusebius . I love the questions you ask , n not letting him off the hook if he does not answer. It is a learning opportunity for everyone and Learning cannot be effective if we keep beating around the bush. a spade needs to be called so. I would have asked my brother for a statement on what he wants us blacks to know about him(the human part Nick tried to represent) , if he wants to apologise for what he said and disgracing his family .Adam is a racist n he must take responsibility for his actions .
This is a decent gesture the brother is offering interms of compensation to the workers in their company, but it does not negate the fact that his brother got his surpremicist views from somewhere, I would probably guess he was taught these beliefs from his parents, it always starts at home. For the brother to say he couldn't believe what he was seeing and hearing while watching the video is a straight lie in my opinion, he has known this guy all of his life. As far as I'm concerned he can't say anything that will excuse what his brother did. These people have a deep hate for black people, Adam made that clear in his video.....
He keeps saying “my family is not racist” and then talks about how, “I got into a heated argument with my parents about...” why are you guys getting into arguments about the impact of your brothers words and the damage it caused?
I’m so sorry that everyone here is in so much pain. I admire your bravery Nic, it could not have been easy to do this. My best friend in high school was black and it was quite a challenge living in such a racist environment, especially because I loved her so much. Ironically enough, the black staff in restaurants were just as unhappy about our friendship as the white staff and getting service was quite the challenge. Nic, I actually remember you very well as we were in similar social circles and our families were friendly with each other. I’ve lived in Australia for over 20 years and you probably don’t remember me. I know your mother well and I know she is nothing but kind, caring and the furthest thing from being a racist. I don’t know Adam well but I don’t see why you should all pay such a dear price for his ignorant actions. I am Jewish, I have paid a terrible price for the tragic events that took place in the holocaust, so many family members were murdered, but I can not teach my children that hating the families and descendants of those directly involved and all Germans and antisemites is the way to go. This man and his family are clearly suffering, show some empathy people! If you want to hate and be angry with someone then be angry with the one who said these offensive things but why drag the whole family through the mud.
Dean Oswell I don't know what age Lisa is but as a teenager and unemployed black person who went to black schools it's highly possible not to have white friend or white associates. Also depends if Lisa's mom or father worked as domestic worker for a white family but other than that it's highly possible given the facts I have raised above. Nonetheless, Lisa will answer for herself, I was just answering your question in general terms.
Ndoda M. Thank you for your well-reasoned answer. I can understand - added to that the socio-demographic landscape of our country. . . And oh ya..sadly then too in some localities you get whites 'who like to keep apart' to a sickening degree (not referring to those who love their own culture...and groom their kids in it- but rather referring to those wit prejudices... Thanks for your response - one day I am happy to share my story ' dialog is good ' I think 🌍🌈
Ndoda Makayi actually that was 0.0005% of my narrative 👆if you really want to know.... in That statement I just a brief background of the first 10-15 years of my life so that is wat I knew !!!!!!! let me start by saying mum n dad were not domestic workers ok 👍🏽 mum was a secretary 👩💼 dad was a manager in very successful companies at that time 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 one ☝️ of the few black working class at that of course occasionally we would see white people but it was not to the point were we called them friends .. Unfortunately discrimination hit us all I couldn’t get any private school or university we couldn’t get a house in the suburbs even though they could afford the school tuition and mortgagee.. but I never heard them once saying derogatory statements or racial slurs. So what I should have said in the beginning was the first half of my life I only knew black people n culture not because my parents n community was racist but that was just the situation back then .. still I was brought to respect other people, despite our differences, to be opened minded even though the system had already closed up idea of integration.... So it’s This positive mentality and upbringing that helped me when u finally left the country to study in Sweden 🇸🇪 and the US ... u just realise racism is everywhere but !!! Thankfully 😅 I was mentally n spirituality prepared , in life we meet all kindsof people different races the magic happens when people just love 💕 n respect you as you are in the end we all bleed, we are all people we should be judged by our character not the colour of our skin!!! Ii
Your character changes over time, no one is born a racist. Circumstances and the actions of others can make you racist just as easily as they can make you rethink that racist position. Family capability, are you serious?! North Korea anyone? 39:00 The reason you know the subject at such a high level is because you are a racist who spends far too much time thinking about racist shit. If you intellectualized(talk, write, or think intellectually) this for a moment you would realize all this fuss is because one guy on the other side of the world said a word people don't like. People's feelings are the victims of this terrible crime.
Typical statement of someone who thinks its right to say terms that are derogatory to others,those rocks you keenly speak about are the figment of your imagination and you listen well now,l dont care what you think and we will never agree on this so best you go talk to someone who truly cares about your opinion.
If this situation was reversed, it wouldn’t even get publicity ... Black people can say whatever their heart desires about white people and face no consequences... Double standards. Simple.
phiko mazule No words directly related oppression but definitely words related to hate towards white people... and just as a basic example, the EFF literally saying white people are lucky that genocide is being called and lucky that white people are not being killed ... that barely gets media.. but if one white guy says the K word then its a national outrage 🤷🏼♂️
Toku Tshawe but he agrees that some of racism values were ingrained in him from the young age by the system of Apartheid but he has tried to clean it up from his system. Well, people grow and as much as they are victims of circumstances but they grow to learn and make their own decisions.
Voting power is useless without financial power. Black people cannot compete with the wealth that white people have accumulated over centuries while the black people still cannot even get a roof over their heads. It takes emotional maturity and empathy to understand the plight of the suppressed when you are not one of the suppressed.
@@moiselles3339 Untrue. The current system is in favour of black people. It's easier to get into companies being black than it is being white. Black empowerment is everywhere. And it puts black people down, because other non-black people tend to think that black people can't do anything for themselves, and that they are in a high position because they are black. Black people have to stand up for themselves. They have to take responsibility for their own lives. They have to forget about white people, and they have to stop thinking that the fight is against whites. It's not. The fight is within black people themselves. Why? Because nobody is coming to save them - they must save themselves. It doesn't mean giving up hating white people, but it does mean giving up blaming whites, blaming God, blaming Zuma, blaming whoever you want to, because we all know that leads to nowhere.
I heard this interview on radio and I know Nick is not the perpetrator here but I wasn't sure whether this was sincere or not but after watching this, I can read the disingenuity on his face, this is nothing but a crises control for them. 😴😴😴
There is nothing more racist than someone who accuses an entire family for the actions of one person merely based on the guilt you that you seek to lay on a group of people that have nothing to do with it. You sir are an evil racist.
And nobody's talking about how peaceful, safe and clean that beach looked. I think there's many black people in south africa will feel Adams sentiment.
I am kinda shocked nobody is talking about leadership and following. People fall in and out of groups over time, and it's possible for people to be influenced by those groups. In fact research suggests that people outside thee nuclear family but in the immediate community may have greater influence over kids than their parents.
Thank you, Eusebius, appreciate your questions. Your approach however is to occupy an unfair moral position on the subject. Hindsight is 20/20. Had your mother been alive, you would never "prosecute" her on your show, in the current context of South Africa. Nick is a good guy. We, our families, are all tainted with this stuff, particularly having being raised in an Apartheid regime. No one can take a brush and wipe away the angry language particularly if you've been victimised. Separated the actions from the goodness of the person.
The problem with ur argument is that if u say that u r struggling with racism due to ur upbringing (i think it's true n honourable that u admit it) than black ppl could also be struggling with the consequences of the fight of the 1980s, what's the way out according to you?
Fils de l'homme Really the wait out is tolerance, understanding and stop being so thin skinned....characteristics missing from the South African vernacular.
Wow, I am so torn! I have just witnessed a very deep conversation. I also feel I have just taken a peek at a white South African speaking about how, at times, the 'white bubble' can become a burden. It is true, we do tend to see a white South African in a similar fashion - mainly based on the fact that they freely eat off the fruit of previlege caused by apartheid and only suffer the guilt in silence. They never do anything else to warrant the guilt, if they even feel it. You just do not get that from most South Africans. Ask me for details, I will be happy to respond. I will leave it here for now. Thank you @Eusebius, and thank you Nic for sharing your feelings about the taboo subject of white race and previlege that comes with it.
This was a very good discussion. The brother did nothing wrong but I think he realises that his family will be (well it already is) implicated. Therefore it was important to come show that they don't share those values. He makes a few uncomfortable admissions that suggest to me that as a family and as individuals they have never thought deeply about racism. He admits privilege in a very humble and touching way that as a black person I feel for him. Eusibius asks some very poignant and personal questions that make him introspect. I think he will be an even better man from this interview. Took guts and decency to do this and the lessons learnt will serve him well
Just watching this. We were on an awesome track until u called Hulisani* an idiot. If u don't share the same thought with her, its absolutely cool just dont go around calling pps idiots. That is wrong
Trying to think what to say......One thing I will say is that we need more spaces were conversations like this happen. Nic seems to be trying to be honest (which he is struggling with, as he is for the first time realising that he and his family whom he love are racist) In the space I've been where there have been these type of conversations I've seen a lot of blind spots come to light. And a lot of reconciliation.
your right it's damage control. Thats why I'm saying I wish this conversation could have happened before....because these conversations are very helpful and hopefully (thinking the best of Nic here..) he and his family could have been challenged to rethink their values and address their racism problems before their lives where being torn apart.
Here's the thing... we need to stop focusing on the family and focus on the man that actually said it. Let Adam take responsibility for his actions. The fact that Nic and his family has lost so much already, just shows that Adam needs to step up and own his bad behaviour.
If someone has to tell you to call your brother out then that shows your support of what your brother did. Why does the interviewer have to instruct this person on how to react to racism? Think about it.
Eusebius salivates off the agony of others. He loves Victims, not Humans. He loves Eusebius, not humanity. This particular interview really made me want to vomit. He so enjoyed the character-rape that 702 enabled him to inflict on a human who really did not deserve such public assassination. Eusebius effectively conquered and colonised his subject. I miss Redi Thlabi's humanity and balanced insights so much. 702. Its been a loong relationship Ive had with you. But times change. People change. Channels change. Karima Brown's blatant hatred towards any opposition politician killed your evening radio long ago for me. Its time to make like Steven and break out of your diminishing view of life, people, possibilities. Enjoy chasing racists, which seems to have become your main theme.
Ultimately he remains one of the few people who is willing to have this discussion. To think he had chosen to take this on is a massive credit. To dissmiss this as fodder to feed economically is rather childish and the dismantling of this behaviour and its assimilation into society.
Not many people have the intrest to discuss this issue to eradicate the nonsense that is the behavioural aspects. Glossing over it by choosing who can adjudicate in the conversations is highly ingenious.
hahaha, spoken like a defensive white colonist. Eusebius has a great mind and you should learn and listen. Better yet, read his works...it might help cure racism for all 'supremacists'
I feel so sorry for Nic, he didn't say the K*&% word, and his life has been turned upside down. It doesn't mean that his whole family is racist, everyone is their own person and must take responsibility for their actions. I also love that Nic admits that he has had to work on himself on the race issue. Not many white people can admit that.
Save your sympathy for black people that are suffering globally. These people would never shed a tear for you. If you insulted a white person, watch what would happen to you.
It is not necessary to call anyone names. People should be mindful and watch their words. Apologizing now makes him appear even more guilty. There is both good and bad in every race why not look for the good rather than the bad?
Not even murderers and rapists get this kind of treatment... how can we punish a family, all the people they support and the people that know them because of one man??!? If a man rapes or murders a woman must we also assume that their fathers, bothers, sisters, mothers and people that know them are murderous rapist too??!? if racists like Adam Carzavelos and Julius Malema are to be punished for their crimes then so be it, but how can we punish their families for their crimes?? Will we not become the monsters we are trying to fight? Love gives back so much more than hate.
Siyasanda should change his ways. I agree completely with wat Eus is saying about Nic being complicit and Nic did talk about how he was raised😏 he does say there is a level of racism because as South africans we have a history ingrained in us.
So basically, Nic is doing damage control while David is else where getting a tan. Nic is loosing business all because of David, but he can't even come and own up to it, this is unfair to Nic that he has to suffer for Davids actions.
Its a problem, these are Jewish people who ran away from Europe settled in our countries got rich beyond recognition, and because of arrogance and bigotted attitude, they keep taunting and humiliating Africans. Calling Africans all sorts of names and do not show any signs of change towards Bantu hatred 25 years after independence. People may say, Robert Mugabe this or that, but Mr Mugabe restored dignity to his people. Hitler had the same attitude towards these people and he nearly wiped them out. and now they are showing the same hatred and tendencies towards Bantu people. They were taught to hate, but people can also be taught how to love and leave peacefully with others.
Respect ✊🏾 to the People of South Africa 🇿🇦 for holding these bigots accountable!! Respect ✊🏾 from A Black man from the USA 🇺🇸.
I'm a black female South African born in the early 90s. I feel it is unfair for some people to behave as if crime is only directed to them. I have been a victim of crime a number of times. Should I then hate black people amd call them k***...Also why should I be hated for the actions of a criminal? It is just too often that I hear people became racist because something happened to them, bad things happen to us black people too. Rather hate the action not the entire race.
Racism is unacceptable.
I agree but imagine if said crimes where perpetrated by whites? Would you earnestly feel the same because a large part of non white South Africans feel its okay to hate because somehow we all supported Apartheid and it is a green light to hate all.
Racism is about thinking you are better than other people. How many times have heard the derogatory word "gam" used towards residents of the Cape Flats. I haven't seen anyone going to jail for using the "g" word, have you?
Racism is a "spiritual challenge/problem"...the worst form of mental and emotional enslavement...worse and lethal to the racists more so to those who are being "racisted upon"...domination survives and persists at and from an arrogant and ignorant level and point of view. Racists sold their souls to dark forces that feed on others' dignity blood sweat and tears...sheer evil.
ayanda ndaba And hopefully you include Julius Malema amongst your "enslaved" racists....and that he will soon be prosecuted for his incitement to violence against white skinned South Africans.
van graan you more than welcome to direct your concern in this regard with the founding fathers and the "establishment" of racism apartheid segregation colonialism and all that has to do with the ill treatment of persons of colour. Racism is a cult...and sadly racists are groomed at home...and as for Julius Malema...take your discomfort with him or the EFF. By the way you are entitled to your line of thought and your perceptions...just as much as i am.
Great interviewing skills Eusebius...Nic is here because of his business and financial loss
I'm a Black American in Cape Town SA. I have no sympathy for Nic's brother Adam, and I dont think Nic was surprised to hear this from his brother. If he feels comfortable putting racist posts online it is likely he's voiced these types of opinions in private. Also, I'm not familiar with this radio station but the interviewer here sounds soft. IMO
So they don't call each other out on their racism until it's made public and it affects their pockets? It's not easy to sympathize but black people will always forgive and we will move on because we know why you hate us. Edit: having read the comments on this video and upon introspection I've decided it would be fallacy to my ancestors who died for our freedom to forgive, especially when the offender has shown no remorse. We can't forgive evil.
Be careful of double standards as we as black people also have people in our inner circle with such comments but didn't call them out. Just saying
Akona lol, please, how many black affluent people called out malema, (a public figure, a pm, a politician,) for saying he wants to slide the throat of whiteness , and he is going to kill whites but not yet. Millions and millions of people have applaud him for making such genocidal statements.
Why do they hate us?
@@ayandalinda4858 True
Ayanda Linda the racism debate became a tool for many politicians to gain votes, politicians trade in division, hate, identity politics and victimhood. Racism is a product of a divided society,
I'm a white South African who also grew up in Norwood. This is a vile and taboo word for the vast majority of whites that I know. Just saying..
Firstly , Eusebius is a brilliant journalist! Secondly this man needs a greater audience because he epitomizes change in our country. A responsible leader in his family. Hard to see even years later!
I can not help but feel sympathy for Nic Catzavelos and his family. He did not say those things and shouldn not be persecuted
I am black and I applaud the bro for opening up to have this necessary but difficult conversation. Healing and growth happens with painful conversations.
A very enlightening interview. We miss you on the airwaves Eusebius.
What a great presenter Eusebius is, remaining rational and objective, Kudos!
Nobody should feel in anyway sorry for this family. Hes in a country where the native black people went through hell by the hands of people like nick and his brother. Dont feel no sympathy
True...
But what about their black employees who dont wanna lose their job?
@@pistolpete8231 as much as this is biased thinking, I agree.
@@pistolpete8231 do you really think a job has any comparisons to a word called pride? Self belief and doing what is right for the greater good of your people. People can find work with an employee who respects them.... not only uses them for cheap labour and after they have served there porpous cant stand to even look at there black skin.... the same black skin that helped them get rich.
@@eyeswideopen7126 what you're saying makes zero sense. Companies are being shut down because an individual WHO HAD ZERO TIES with said companies other than being related to one of its executives - decided to be racist. Sorry but pride has nothing to do with anything. This racist lost his job, he was humiliated publicly as he should be. I don't understand how shutting down a business makes any logical sense. If the CEO of my company called me a N word. Trust me, he'd lose his job. But suggesting that the company shuts down - therefore making ppl lose their livelihood - is plain and simple DUMB. Are u going to put food in these ppl's plates when they can't take care of their families anymore?
@@eyeswideopen7126 p.s....you must not live in the real world because as a black man who's experienced racism, racism exists and is not going anywhere. Just because an employer respects you DOES NOT mean he doesn't call u racial slurs behind your back...go think about that for a second.
The only difference here is that this guy actually said it.
As a Young Black South African I applaud Nick for coming onto this show and opening up a dialogue around this sensitive topic... It can't be easy for him to do yet it's good he sees it has to be done. I applaud you Nick
Chris Leonard Thanks man... You should visit the motherland sometime
Chris Leonard... Even thought of coming to visit South Africa?
And what about the packs of singing, dancing blacks who attack white people every day in South Africa? Saying a rude word on a beach in Greece is of no importance.
This is just damage control...Nothing more nothing less whether its true are not. doesnt take a genius to see this
So what should he do commit suicide. Is there a path for forgiveness and healing. What about the boulders that were thrown at his brother. Not excusing using the word but is that at least a factor? Let's cut the shit and live as brothers.
South Africa needs Jesus
No it doesnt. He put us in this mess in the first place. South Africa needs EQUALITY.....simple
We learnt from the best...his name is julius
The interviewer was excellent throughout very professional with a very volatile subject.
And fair play to his brother for doing the interview .
I'm a black South African... and the K word does nothing to me but give me an impression that the person saying the slur has racial issues and I just ignore and carry on with my happy and free life... one day, I think we will in the future laugh about "Remember when we use to cause a nation panic over the K word" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hi Mpho, good to read a mature reply amongst all the rhetoric. We are so busy tearing each other apart that we are ignoring the problems building up in Southern Africa. Most idiots commenting here will not even know about most of it, but it will engulf our society within the next ten years. Chaos is coming.
What a great and reasonable response Moho .. I hope we can all look back one day and laugh about this .
look at how he laughs at racist joke 09:50 told by Eusebius and you tell me they speak about us during dinner
Yeah, he forgot why he was there
Exactly.
Being brought up in Apartheid SA (Born in 1981),yes white privilige isnt a rumour,I sat in a class room where the white teacher told us,we shouldn't slag cause then one day we will work under a black person,you were constantly told watch out for black people,until 18 you are told what to believe,but then you are getting a brain(lol) and start working things out for yourself,like I was robbed at knife point by black kids,for 2 days I hated ALL black people,but then I sat myself down and said,dont be mad at all black people,but be mad at those individuals that attacked you,I know alot of black people I have a very good relationship and then there are black people I dont want 100meters from me.....BUT then exactly the same I have good relationship with alot of white people and there are white people I also dont want 100meters from me,and in all honesty the last 10 times I had something criminal being done to me 9 out 10 times it was white people.
Unfortunally!!!! Im addicted to politics and politics has a way to play one race against another but you always have to apply your mind to understand the agenda behind the persons statement.
What we have in SA is Black People and White People that hate each other within there core.These kind of people irritate me very easily,but what I love is to have a good intense conversation about race issues without fighting and without a goal the be the "winner" in the conversation but to walk away and learned something from the other person,thats time well spend.
The thing Im struggling with currently is Yes Sparrow,Adam and the real estate lady said racist things and rightfully should and are paying the price,but the black student that had a T shirt written "Kill All Whites"
Correct me if Im wrong........NOTHING was done or said?!!!!!!
Im 100% for Equality
I HATE double standards!!!!
ParnoManiac I agree
I wish we lived in a world where people who did the bad deed come forward and allow themselves to be held accountable and not hide out abroad - Adam is trash for letting his brother Nic take the heat for this and have to come explain or rectify what his brother did.
Well.......then most of the population will have to come forward.....Every pigmentation colour.
Antoine de Fry - here we go, a troll or excuse generator for racism...no one made this about colour, key word I used "people".
No, you did not have to mention colour........I did......and for good reason. Whites are constantly accused of racism, take the commentator just above, miss Pule......claiming all whites are racist......which is rather silly as it only shows that she does not understand human nature and it's tendencies to seek what is comfortable.....what one is used to, what is a habit or traditional.......Think about it. I have lived in several countries, my backside is white but I was not always accepted by others that looked like me for some of the same reasons I mentioned.......One cannot collectively judge. One cannot cry racism all the time....
Antoinie de Vry - People cry racism when it comes out and it does not only come from White people but all races, what Adam did was RACISM there is no excuse...so do not tell the majority what to feel when you never experienced what black people in S.A experience every single day - the back burner the same people who created the K word is still affecting all black people...take some time to make a black friend and I am not talking about a wealthy or middle class individual but someone who is at the lowest trying to survive daily and wondering where their next meal is going to come from and then take on an experiment of actually walking in their shoes for at least a week and then lets see if the racism that the minority spew can be classified as black people "crying out racism all the time..."
Adam is a coward. You can clearly see how this thing has affected nic, he clearly says he grew up during apartheid, his daily life was governed by a system which he has tried by every means to get away from, yet through all this he has had everything taken away from him. But Mpho you are right about having the one who needs to be accountable to come forward. This whole thing has created unnecessary victims. Even more so than nic, imagine the consequences its played on those working for nic at grassroots level. Society has taken complicity to an unnecessary level.
That was a great interview of Nic Catzavelos by Eusebius McKaiser about the racist rant of the interviewee's brother. Let's give credit where credit is due. We need these kinds of competent journalist/interviewers.
Eusebius is one of the finest minds in South African media.
Jail that's all we want.
And throw away the key!
@Phil King but you can legislate what people say.
@PhArAoH KhAfrA PyRaMiD how ironic that you want to throw someone in prison for using an offensive word yet you also calll people of another race an offensive word. Hypocrite!
You know what, many whites I know use this word. I've used it in my past as well. I learned to used it by hearing my elders use it. It was always in a certain context of people without self control and I learned to use it in that context. I didn't necessarily mean black people when I used it. I used it as to reference uncivilized and uncouth individuals, regardless of race. I have only realised recently how people only ever use it to describe black people so I have made a concerted effort to stop because people dont take it in the way that I mean for it to be interpreted. To me it's like calling someone a barbarian or neanderthal. Those terms have no race attached to them.
That is not to say that I dont have prejudice ingrained into me. Like Nic said, we all have these prejudices instilled in us from when we are young. But what we need to focus on is that it is a learned behaviour. Anything that can be learned can also be unlearned.
To take the opposite approach and say that you dont see colour is also wrong. Then you're basically saying that there is something so wrong with a different race that you have to pretend that a person of another ethnicity doesn't have that skin colour. Another thing... we use this word 'race' very interchangeably with ethnicity. There is no race gene. There is only 1 race, the human race. It's a race that we are all members of.
Each of us needs to hold ourselves accountable for the way we think. Racism starts when you stop seeing a certain ethnicity as being human. When you see them as unable to learn or develop. When you basically see them as inferior to your own ethnicity. By this definition I dont see myself as racist. I do admit that I am prejudice and predisposed to certain reactions in certain situations. All I can do is hold myself accountable. There is no reason for me to go around broadcasting about my inner conflict between who I am and who I want to be. With the way things are going in South Africa, I would be interpreted as a racist, which I am not.
What Nick's brother did was wrong. But not to be funny... I have never met a Greek who was not racist. A Greek who didnt judge you. Not saying it's right or that it excuses him. His learned behaviour probably came from many sources and was most likely supported or ignored.
I dont know if Jesus was the human incarnation of God or just a really committed prophet. But hearing people say Jesus Christ negatively makes me angry and in most cases I will call them on it. It is a reaction I learned from people I grew up with. It's not logical and makes no sense to me but I do it anyways. The same applies to racism or prejudice. We need to feel angry and offended when we hear blatant racism from our friends or family, regardless of your ethnicity. Kind of like if your friend was bragging about raping his 3 year old daughter. You would call him out on it and even hold him accountable.
Racism is never ok. To make any person feel targeted or inferior because of their race is reprehensible and immoral... It should be treated as such.
Amy Coetzee two pages of excuses, with a pinch of remorse, and back peddling. Sounds like bullshit.
Too much racism in this country. Im indian I went to a majority white school and married a beautiful black women and my best friend is coloured. Way too much racism in sa it kills me
It gonna end completely when Julius Malema becomes president for sure, just wait and see how revenge blacks feel in SA.
What Nic said in his closing remarks was beautiful. I've waited so long to hear those words coming out of the mouth a a white South African male. Sadly not many white South Africans can say what this guy has said in the end. This was incredibly difficult to watch and I'm still processing the mixed bag of emotions I have but I am glad I watch this to the end.
This being happing to South Africa make me as a Ghanaian want to thank Dr. Kwame Nkrumah who foresaw this coming in the near future not for Ghana alone but the entire African content.
As he said on Ghana' independence day on 6th march 1957 that " our independence is meaningless until it's liked to total liberation of African continent"
Ghana has, is and will always be with you in times like this. My heart goes out for South Africa.
Ndaba is exactly the type of person i love and would love to have a conversation with.
If you ever get to reading my comment Ndaba please try get in touch.
Thanks Eusebius, this was an excellent interview!!! I just want to say this, we are ALL different in colour on the outside, but damn man, we all bleed the same from the inside!!! Love one another as human beings, we have one life, let's make it the best life!
Well said.
Blood is thicker than water but when you thirsty water is easiest to drink.
Mckaiser please come to the EFF and help the CIC and the leadership we need you.ive listened to you many times.You could be a great leader...
You very brave Nic.Sometimes we can't help for the conduct of our family members.
You Go Nic.
I appreciates Nic's openness, he really comes across as a sincere and honest person. My heart goes out to him and his parents.
Nic, i felt your pain and appreciated how you faced the heat. I honestly felt so sorry for you.
I hope that this interview will create healthy conversations that will heal our complex aftermath of SA history.
I am a recovering Black racist and it has been an a long 25 years of struggling with issues of me being black, wishing that i was born different. After all these years i am glad to announce that i have diverse friendships across the race spectrum and the past couple of years, the racist rants of white South Africans almost revived my black racist attitudes again.
What racists don't seem to understand is that racism is an attack on your entire being and it questions and undermmines your existence, to constantly live your life to prove that you have a right to be is exhausting and it makes one resort to, among others things, violence against the perpetrators which in turn creates a cycle of hatred.
Thank you so much for being honest and open about the whole thing. You give me a lot of hope about the future of our belobed SA.
Blessings to you.
Never underestimate the hatred of black people which white South African males were taught in the army! I have heard the stories told by few white males in different occasions.
I don’t know Nic from a bar of soap. If what he said is true. He surely has done a lot of work to overcome what he was taught as a young white male in the SADF!
For a white man to acknowledge white privilege this day and age! Big-up to Nic!
But his brother needs a hiding and solitary confinement.! He must be strongly encouraged to correct his degrading views of black folk.
Very good and interesting interview, thank you.
the point is u dont insult blacks in their home or else u will face the music
Where can I get some of the old 702 podcasts of Eusebius ?
This reminds me of the time my mother hit or shouted at me for my little sister's mistakes. This cannot carry on even in our 30's. Be strong Nick
NIc is right, no one is being honest. Here's an honest question: why doesn't the question arise in this 'journalism': was a charge laid against the guys who threw a rock at Adam's tent? Why do we consider those people as the victims of Adam's words while ignoring the fact that millions of us feel we are victims of the kind of racism which sweeps these acts of violence under the rug? Are we honestly supposed to consider those rock throwing people (the target of Adam's violent words) as the victims here? Should they come forward and lay a charge of psychological violence against Adam?
There's a tremendous amount of hatred, and dishonesty in the country. In large portion from 'journalists' like Eusebius who scratch just deep enough to be popular, but not deep enough to get to the bottom of it (for fear of reprisals). People react to this, and they don't react in progressive ways, they tend to be reactionary. Adam's reaction is not progressive, sure. But neither is selectively taking up arms when one person does something ridiculous like this. To be clear, racism is when someone doesn't perform his job efficiently, gives you that typical slow, lazy, lean against the wall attitude knowing full well, that should you be crazy enough to object, you will face serious consequences. This is also a form of racism. It's a form of 'black privilege'. Racist attitudes exist which force people to remain silent or worse, pretend that things are perfect in the country 'except for a few hardcore racists'. We are choosing the weakest to target, and we are sweeping the truth under the carpet here. So, find those bastards who threw the rock at Adm.. charge them.
Kim George, should we all hate a certain group because of the actions of a few. You are ignorant!!
It is unfortunate that you have misunderstood what I said. It doesn't help us to focus on one man's emotional reaction, because it is expedient to ignore the cause of his emotional reaction. Being expedient or myopic in this way displays a level of hatred for the group with which we may associate him. If you can comprehend this, you will understand that it is racialistic to focus on what he said or did, blaming history, and grouping him and others who look like him in one bunch of the term 'racists'. What we have is a serious socio economic problem which if not addressed, will splinter people along racial lines unless we stop accusing one another of racism like this. What he said, his emotional response is unhelpful and many other things, but it is not a crime. The crime is in failing to understand the causes or mis ascribing the causes to something which it is not.
@londeka Zikalala, racist pitchfork holders and kangaroo courts never fail to amaze me. Your actions will do nothing but perpetuate the racism which is born of ignorance and inferiority. Consider how Steve Biko would react to this type of situation and try to emulate that. Be scholarly and rational and use vision when you analyse something so that your reaction is progressive, instead of reactionary. Remember that the people who threw rocks at one man, will do the same to you, unless we react in a progressive way to solve our problems. BUt I will leave you to your comfort zone of hatred in a large group of like-minded racists. When you are ready, we can talk. Perhaps it is your children or great grand children who will do it - unless you muster up enough courage to actualy think and speak with a rational voice.
I'm a Pan Africanist at heart, the truth is, outrage is the only thing we can show as Africans and its all a big distraction. If you do honesty self reflection you have to admit is that we are weak and meek at this current moment which is why everyone takes chances on us.
The word Fong Fonk used to be said to mock China but no one is laughing today because China is a powerful country. For as long as Pan Africa is still a cub and has not awoken the lion within, the potential of African people as a group will remain something for foreigners to exploit.
I urge Africans everywhere to read Kwame Nkrumah works and make sure your whole family is read up and woke because we need to wake up as a people. China's money will not be our salvation, that's just trading European colonizers for Asian ones.
The reason their words hurt you is because we don't have shit to show of our own. If the spell checker sees your name as a spelling mistake or you cannot count to 10 in your native tongue you are still colonised and by definition weak my brother and sister. The DNA that prints in your soul doesn't even recognise you, so where is your power going to come from African Child? Africa in not yet Uhuru.
It all comes down to strength. We say Amandla awethu, but as things are, is strength really ours?
This is classic family Damage control.... He lying croc tears
He knows he and his racist family are in HUGE danger
JUST A QUESTION
A YEAR BACK I WAS CALLED WALKING IN A STREET AND OUT OF THE BLUE I WAS CALLED A
WHITE DOG BY A MAN DRESSED IN RED WITH A RED CAP WHAT I DID NEVER SPOKE TO OR KNOWN
JUST PASSED ON THE STREET. WAS THAT RASSIS OR NOT ?
I JUST WALKED AWAY AND ASK OUR GOD TO FORGIVE HIM.
I stopped at a T-Junction in a small town on the East Rand. Across the road is the ingress of the town driving training centre which access the road I intended turning into. A black driver seemed to want to enter the road into the same direction that I intended to drive. He entered the intersection prior to me and therefore I signalled for the other driver to proceed. He did not seem to see that I was giving him right of way, or was just waiting for me to proceed. After signalling another two times, I eventually proceeded. When I did that the other driver made a half U-turn going into the opposite direction where after I realised why her wanted me to go first. This story is not about the other driver though.
This story is about a black spectator that was standing on the corner. A year ago, I would not have had any reason to suspect that he created some kind of opinion about my actions as he observed it. When I passed him this morning I suspected that this man thought I was just another fucking stupid white guy, or referencing me in his mind with some defamatory term which is the equivalent black people use as the K-word for white people, because I did not realise what the driver on the other side of the road intended to do. I do not know if this guy in fact thought anything along those lines, but the fact that the believe occurred to me speaks volumes about the perceived prejudices.
The fact is that since about March this year I suspect that race relations in this country was set back about 30 years. All the comments I hear here is that every white person must be a racist because we have evidence that at least one white person is a racist. Whether you believe it or not, it sadly goes both ways. The double standards Eusebius practice by not calling out and defending white people who are constantly accused of being rapists, murderers, or land thieves, with reference to something which there seems to be very little evidence in support of actually having occurred 100ds of years before seems, by his own admission, evidence of his racism.
I don't know if we can turn this around again. The turning point previously was the 1994 elections and transfer of political power with a message of reconciliation, application of affirmative action, and some truth and reconciliation investigations. We do not have any of that to fall back on now. When I read the comments here, all I read is hate.
Agreed.
Londeka Zikalala the topic at hand is the expression of racial aggression as evidence of racisim. We are not digressing. I am suggesting that he is hypocritical by reproaching Nic for not confronting his brother while all these insults are hurled at white people in general and he fails to call them out for what they are. A bunch of racist black supremises.
What happened in Drakensburg?
I commend Nick for coming on this show. In a family there's always a deliquent child. Thank you to Ndaba for his comment.
Nic has opened a conversation that white people amongst themselves and maybe afterwards with us, need to engage in. South africans we need to talk
I love Eusebius . I love the questions you ask , n not letting him off the hook if he does not answer. It is a learning opportunity for everyone and Learning cannot be effective if we keep beating around the bush. a spade needs to be called so. I would have asked my brother for a statement on what he wants us blacks to know about him(the human part Nick tried to represent) , if he wants to apologise for what he said and disgracing his family .Adam is a racist n he must take responsibility for his actions .
I agree but I'm interested whether you think comments like kill the boer are racist or not.
@@rationalthinker9181 kill the Boer or kiss the Boer are not racist...
Cancel white people go back to cave Europe and leave Africa alone
This is a decent gesture the brother is offering interms of compensation to the workers in their company, but it does not negate the fact that his brother got his surpremicist views from somewhere, I would probably guess he was taught these beliefs from his parents, it always starts at home. For the brother to say he couldn't believe what he was seeing and hearing while watching the video is a straight lie in my opinion, he has known this guy all of his life. As far as I'm concerned he can't say anything that will excuse what his brother did. These people have a deep hate for black people, Adam made that clear in his video.....
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Brave guy Nic. Good robust but respectful conversation.
He keeps saying “my family is not racist” and then talks about how, “I got into a heated argument with my parents about...” why are you guys getting into arguments about the impact of your brothers words and the damage it caused?
We don't hate your family but something had to be done. I understand you bro.
I still need to meet Adam please can anyone make it possible
"Teach children the way from which they shall not depart", The Bible. Wonder where Adam gets his 'Paradise' teaching..
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I’m so sorry that everyone here is in so much pain. I admire your bravery Nic, it could not have been easy to do this. My best friend in high school was black and it was quite a challenge living in such a racist environment, especially because I loved her so much. Ironically enough, the black staff in restaurants were just as unhappy about our friendship as the white staff and getting service was quite the challenge. Nic, I actually remember you very well as we were in similar social circles and our families were friendly with each other. I’ve lived in Australia for over 20 years and you probably don’t remember me. I know your mother well and I know she is nothing but kind, caring and the furthest thing from being a racist. I don’t know Adam well but I don’t see why you should all pay such a dear price for his ignorant actions. I am Jewish, I have paid a terrible price for the tragic events that took place in the holocaust, so many family members were murdered, but I can not teach my children that hating the families and descendants of those directly involved and all Germans and antisemites is the way to go. This man and his family are clearly suffering, show some empathy people! If you want to hate and be angry with someone then be angry with the one who said these offensive things but why drag the whole family through the mud.
If only ONE person with ONE word could focus South Africa on the positive. The attention given to from both sides to this is fueling fire...
Well Adam chose to do a video he must deal with consequences of his decision. The rest of his family zifa ngamvunye
You know your family members and what is taught in your household, he knew.
From a black South African I feel really sorry that you have to defend your sibling who is indeed a racist. I sympathize with you and your family
bonginkosi emanuel why they encouraged this thoughtless behavior.
Well Iam black never went to a government school..,, never mixed with any people other than black or any other race fir that matter 😐But am not racist
Lisa Lisa ... Lisa I'm curious why in a multicultural country you never mixed with anyone of any other race than 'your own'. { ? }
Dean Oswell I don't know what age Lisa is but as a teenager and unemployed black person who went to black schools it's highly possible not to have white friend or white associates. Also depends if Lisa's mom or father worked as domestic worker for a white family but other than that it's highly possible given the facts I have raised above. Nonetheless, Lisa will answer for herself, I was just answering your question in general terms.
Ndoda M. Thank you for your well-reasoned answer. I can understand - added to that the socio-demographic landscape of our country. . . And oh ya..sadly then too in some localities you get whites 'who like to keep apart' to a sickening degree (not referring to those who love their own culture...and groom their kids in it- but rather referring to those wit prejudices... Thanks for your response - one day I am happy to share my story ' dialog is good ' I think 🌍🌈
Yeah...you must check out that malema....he's pretty good at being rascist
Ndoda Makayi actually that was 0.0005% of my narrative 👆if you really want to know.... in That statement I just a brief background of the first 10-15 years of my life so that is wat I knew !!!!!!! let me start by saying mum n dad were not domestic workers ok 👍🏽 mum was a secretary 👩💼 dad was a manager in very successful companies at that time 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 one ☝️ of the few black working class at that of course occasionally we would see white people but it was not to the point were we called them friends .. Unfortunately discrimination hit us all I couldn’t get any private school or university we couldn’t get a house in the suburbs even though they could afford the school tuition and mortgagee.. but I never heard them once saying derogatory statements or racial slurs. So what I should have said in the beginning was the first half of my life I only knew black people n culture not because my parents n community was racist but that was just the situation back then .. still I was brought to respect other people, despite our differences, to be opened minded even though the system had already closed up idea of integration.... So it’s This positive mentality and upbringing that helped me when u finally left the country to study in Sweden 🇸🇪 and the US ... u just realise racism is everywhere but !!! Thankfully 😅 I was mentally n spirituality prepared , in life we meet all kindsof people different races the magic happens when people just love 💕 n respect you as you are in the end we all bleed, we are all people we should be judged by our character not the colour of our skin!!! Ii
As both a person of colour and a Greek this story deeply touches me.
Your character changes over time, no one is born a racist. Circumstances and the actions of others can make you racist just as easily as they can make you rethink that racist position.
Family capability, are you serious?! North Korea anyone?
39:00 The reason you know the subject at such a high level is because you are a racist who spends far too much time thinking about racist shit. If you intellectualized(talk, write, or think intellectually) this for a moment you would realize all this fuss is because one guy on the other side of the world said a word people don't like. People's feelings are the victims of this terrible crime.
He never said to his brother wtf... he said we will have to ride the storm
so whats new? we have heard this same song over and over and it will continue
There are opportunities in these kind of discussions I wish many could see that...and one I can think of is a "subconscious rehabilitation"
Without compensation......!!!what a lovely word for us the EFF to hear..
Then I suppose you love the word poverty as well because that's what the EFF is bringing to all South Africans even to your comrades
His a liar this guy,it's as simple as that.He knows racism is within the family deeply and all this is damage control.
That's your opinion but it dont change the fact his a liar and that patronising behaviour wont wash with me.
His a liar FACT just on a damage control mission and many see through that fake empathy.
I dont honestly don't give two hoots about them,we dealing with this issue not the ones you talking about.
Typical statement of someone who thinks its right to say terms that are derogatory to others,those rocks you keenly speak about are the figment of your imagination and you listen well now,l dont care what you think and we will never agree on this so best you go talk to someone who truly cares about your opinion.
@@arthurknight711 would u not do the same thing if you were in that situation.
This man has shown so much bravery!
This interview is awesome, appreciate Nic's honestyiiiiiii he tried to be as honest as possible.
If this situation was reversed, it wouldn’t even get publicity ... Black people can say whatever their heart desires about white people and face no consequences...
Double standards. Simple.
Is there a derogatory word for white people that is attached to instutional racism or oppression?
phiko mazule No words directly related oppression but definitely words related to hate towards white people...
and just as a basic example, the EFF literally saying white people are lucky that genocide is being called and lucky that white people are not being killed ... that barely gets media..
but if one white guy says the K word then its a national outrage 🤷🏼♂️
GettingLitWithTriz and white people did whatever they wanted for generations with no consequences. This is an issue because of South Africa’s history
Your brave Nic
His also racist, you can tell. He just putting on an act.
Toku Tshawe .. how do you tell? that's a heavy accusation, back it with proof
a hit dog will holler.
Toku Tshawe but he agrees that some of racism values were ingrained in him from the young age by the system of Apartheid but he has tried to clean it up from his system. Well, people grow and as much as they are victims of circumstances but they grow to learn and make their own decisions.
Is it because his white that you say so
why did he laugh at 9:53
Thank you Nick
How does it work that the majority (and in power) of a country get offended by a tiny minority?
Because they want to use it to keep a rotting ANC in power
@Sulu - Define power. White people though a minority have the financial power in SA.
Voting power, thus the government was selected based on the choice of the people.
Voting power is useless without financial power. Black people cannot compete with the wealth that white people have accumulated over centuries while the black people still cannot even get a roof over their heads. It takes emotional maturity and empathy to understand the plight of the suppressed when you are not one of the suppressed.
@@moiselles3339 Untrue. The current system is in favour of black people. It's easier to get into companies being black than it is being white. Black empowerment is everywhere. And it puts black people down, because other non-black people tend to think that black people can't do anything for themselves, and that they are in a high position because they are black. Black people have to stand up for themselves. They have to take responsibility for their own lives. They have to forget about white people, and they have to stop thinking that the fight is against whites. It's not. The fight is within black people themselves. Why? Because nobody is coming to save them - they must save themselves. It doesn't mean giving up hating white people, but it does mean giving up blaming whites, blaming God, blaming Zuma, blaming whoever you want to, because we all know that leads to nowhere.
I heard this interview on radio and I know Nick is not the perpetrator here but I wasn't sure whether this was sincere or not but after watching this, I can read the disingenuity on his face, this is nothing but a crises control for them. 😴😴😴
Sincere for something another grown-up person done?
There is an old saying. The apple does not fall far from the tree. His brother did not just developed those feelings🤔🤔
There is nothing more racist than someone who accuses an entire family for the actions of one person merely based on the guilt you that you seek to lay on a group of people that have nothing to do with it.
You sir are an evil racist.
Appregator That is what you do to the entire race of black people. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
And nobody's talking about how peaceful, safe and clean that beach looked. I think there's many black people in south africa will feel Adams sentiment.
Damage control for bleeding money. Shame.
What’s the Kword
I am kinda shocked nobody is talking about leadership and following. People fall in and out of groups over time, and it's possible for people to be influenced by those groups. In fact research suggests that people outside thee nuclear family but in the immediate community may have greater influence over kids than their parents.
Thank you, Eusebius, appreciate your questions. Your approach however is to occupy an unfair moral position on the subject. Hindsight is 20/20. Had your mother been alive, you would never "prosecute" her on your show, in the current context of South Africa. Nick is a good guy. We, our families, are all tainted with this stuff, particularly having being raised in an Apartheid regime. No one can take a brush and wipe away the angry language particularly if you've been victimised. Separated the actions from the goodness of the person.
The problem with ur argument is that if u say that u r struggling with racism due to ur upbringing (i think it's true n honourable that u admit it) than black ppl could also be struggling with the consequences of the fight of the 1980s, what's the way out according to you?
Fils de l'homme Really the wait out is tolerance, understanding and stop being so thin skinned....characteristics missing from the South African vernacular.
Wow, I am so torn! I have just witnessed a very deep conversation. I also feel I have just taken a peek at a white South African speaking about how, at times, the 'white bubble' can become a burden. It is true, we do tend to see a white South African in a similar fashion - mainly based on the fact that they freely eat off the fruit of previlege caused by apartheid and only suffer the guilt in silence. They never do anything else to warrant the guilt, if they even feel it. You just do not get that from most South Africans. Ask me for details, I will be happy to respond. I will leave it here for now. Thank you @Eusebius, and thank you Nic for sharing your feelings about the taboo subject of white race and previlege that comes with it.
This was a very good discussion. The brother did nothing wrong but I think he realises that his family will be (well it already is) implicated. Therefore it was important to come show that they don't share those values. He makes a few uncomfortable admissions that suggest to me that as a family and as individuals they have never thought deeply about racism. He admits privilege in a very humble and touching way that as a black person I feel for him. Eusibius asks some very poignant and personal questions that make him introspect. I think he will be an even better man from this interview. Took guts and decency to do this and the lessons learnt will serve him well
Just watching this. We were on an awesome track until u called Hulisani* an idiot. If u don't share the same thought with her, its absolutely cool just dont go around calling pps idiots. That is wrong
This guy just came to lie and he wont say nothing.he is here to protect his money and family. Full stop.
Feel for the brother who had to take the bullets for his brother being an idiot
How can my children not fear a black criminal who murdered their ďad when they were very very young
Trying to think what to say......One thing I will say is that we need more spaces were conversations like this happen. Nic seems to be trying to be honest (which he is struggling with, as he is for the first time realising that he and his family whom he love are racist)
In the space I've been where there have been these type of conversations I've seen a lot of blind spots come to light. And a lot of reconciliation.
Adam Bull stop defending him. We all know the small talk that goes on in our families. This is damage control.
your right it's damage control. Thats why I'm saying I wish this conversation could have happened before....because these conversations are very helpful and hopefully (thinking the best of Nic here..) he and his family could have been challenged to rethink their values and address their racism problems before their lives where being torn apart.
I respect him
Here's the thing... we need to stop focusing on the family and focus on the man that actually said it. Let Adam take responsibility for his actions. The fact that Nic and his family has lost so much already, just shows that Adam needs to step up and own his bad behaviour.
If someone has to tell you to call your brother out then that shows your support of what your brother did. Why does the interviewer have to instruct this person on how to react to racism? Think about it.
Why is it okay for a coloured person such as the host to use the K word?
Stop being so obtuse! He is clearly not using it in the same context as Adam was!
Eusebius salivates off the agony of others. He loves Victims, not Humans. He loves Eusebius, not humanity. This particular interview really made me want to vomit. He so enjoyed the character-rape that 702 enabled him to inflict on a human who really did not deserve such public assassination. Eusebius effectively conquered and colonised his subject.
I miss Redi Thlabi's humanity and balanced insights so much. 702. Its been a loong relationship Ive had with you. But times change. People change. Channels change. Karima Brown's blatant hatred towards any opposition politician killed your evening radio long ago for me. Its time to make like Steven and break out of your diminishing view of life, people, possibilities.
Enjoy chasing racists, which seems to have become your main theme.
Ultimately he remains one of the few people who is willing to have this discussion. To think he had chosen to take this on is a massive credit.
To dissmiss this as fodder to feed economically is rather childish and the dismantling of this behaviour and its assimilation into society.
Not many people have the intrest to discuss this issue to eradicate the nonsense that is the behavioural aspects. Glossing over it by choosing who can adjudicate in the conversations is highly ingenious.
hahaha, spoken like a defensive white colonist. Eusebius has a great mind and you should learn and listen. Better yet, read his works...it might help cure racism for all 'supremacists'
What if some one calls me a hotnot as a coloured person
I feel so sorry for Nic, he didn't say the K*&% word, and his life has been turned upside down. It doesn't mean that his whole family is racist, everyone is their own person and must take responsibility for their actions. I also love that Nic admits that he has had to work on himself on the race issue. Not many white people can admit that.
Tsholofelo Meje 🙄
Save your sympathy for black people that are suffering globally. These people would never shed a tear for you. If you insulted a white person, watch what would happen to you.
It is not necessary to call anyone names. People should be mindful and watch their words. Apologizing now makes him appear even more guilty. There is both good and bad in every race why not look for the good rather than the bad?
Not even murderers and rapists get this kind of treatment... how can we punish a family, all the people they support and the people that know them because of one man??!? If a man rapes or murders a woman must we also assume that their fathers, bothers, sisters, mothers and people that know them are murderous rapist too??!? if racists like Adam Carzavelos and Julius Malema are to be punished for their crimes then so be it, but how can we punish their families for their crimes?? Will we not become the monsters we are trying to fight? Love gives back so much more than hate.
Siyasanda should change his ways. I agree completely with wat Eus is saying about Nic being complicit and Nic did talk about how he was raised😏 he does say there is a level of racism because as South africans we have a history ingrained in us.
So basically, Nic is doing damage control while David is else where getting a tan. Nic is loosing business all because of David, but he can't even come and own up to it, this is unfair to Nic that he has to suffer for Davids actions.
Its a problem, these are Jewish people who ran away from Europe settled in our countries got rich beyond recognition, and because of arrogance and bigotted attitude, they keep taunting and humiliating Africans. Calling Africans all sorts of names and do not show any signs of change towards Bantu hatred 25 years after independence. People may say, Robert Mugabe this or that, but Mr Mugabe restored dignity to his people. Hitler had the same attitude towards these people and he nearly wiped them out. and now they are showing the same hatred and tendencies towards Bantu people. They were taught to hate, but people can also be taught how to love and leave peacefully with others.
Its a friggin derogatory word, like Mlungu, which is derogatory, but at the end of the day, its a word.
Sticks and stones
So sad that SA is forever racially antagonising instead of seeing individuals as individuals.
Seeing everybody as an individual is ridiculous when there are clear group trends.
@@pneron2032 but seeing people as merely interchangeable widgets of a group is also quite ridiculous.
@@STARK0181 In the real world, you need to make decisions based upon facts.
This is the P.R. Company doing damage control. Phase 1.
Its funny to see Eusebius calling himself coloured and.others blacks. To me, he is black.