Great video, brother! I really enjoyed the analysis. Just adding a bit more context on Keyd's situation, which is surprising so far. Coach SeeEl took over at the beginning of 2024, where VKS was going through a change of leadership and economic management. The team was left out of the CBLOL in 2020, 21 and 22 for not being accepted into the franchise system, returning only in 2023, where they had a terrible season. Because of this, SeeEl's work was fundamental to rebuilding the team, which kept Guigo (a great player, but who was lacking in prospects) and signed Disamis (known for being great at SoloQ and terrible on stage), ProDelta (a newcomer who was kicked out of Pain), Smiley (who was tied down by a contract on a bad team in Europe) and Toucuille, who was later replaced by Leleko (another newcomer) because the Frenchman was dealing with some psychological health problems. This team was able, against all odds, to finish third in the first split and runners-up in the second. Now, with a more exciting squad with the help of Disamis (who really absorbed SeeEl's methods and is said to be the 2nd best brazilian jungler), Kisee (4x Oceania champion who was in the academy), an established veteran like Trymbi and the young promises Boal and Mortheus, a lot is expected of this team that already had an insane ability in the macro, but lacked a lot in the micro. It remains to be seen how they adapt, but expectations are high as SeeEl promised at least one trophy this year.
Coach SeeEL is a genius, i think they will be a surprise in this first split!! Great to see people from another country being interested for our league! Hugs from Brazil
Hugs from Brazil, brother. You summed up w7m's impasse well, but it was a little more tense than that... Basically, because of the way w7m entered the LTA, the team was badly talked about throughout the community and sting really kicked their asses!! Anyway, this is a great tierlist, you should try to co-stream LTA or Circuitão, I would watch it!
@@BigTonhão interesting, maybe too much hype around Trymbi and the academy players? I think they're all great decisions but idk if it'll click for them right away
You missed the point about the hype in Vivo Keyd, SeeEl is the source of the hype. With 3 academy level players in 2024 split 1, Keyd placed third. Split 2 reached finals. Don't matter if the entire team has changed, SeeEl still here. @@PsychopathicPoroClips
Your point of view from someone outside Brazil is very interesting, especially about Pain/Red, you literally said the opposite of what everyone else in Brazil said. Grev is considered the worst mid liner in Brazil at the moment, some even comment on the possibility of him being the worst in history to win a Cblol. Cariok and Kuri are the best in their roles.
@@wallflower1999 He didnt hsay he was the worst, he said he is the worst to win a title, big difference in that nuance. Which I still disagree, as we had Nosferus, Brucer and Marvin winning splits, but there is a case that he is indeed the worst mid lane winner.
It's interesting seeing your more non-biased analysis since I'm listening to Brazilian annalists, pros and ex-pros everyday. IMO what is different between your video and the overall discourse I'm listening is: - Guigo is not being that hyped in Brazil because while he was a good player on VKS he didn't change nor evolved to fit in the team playstyle, which led to a feeling of "He is good but this is as good as he's going to get" and "He still have the Red Canids blood even after 2 years", meaning he can be kinda dumb when playing. - VKs is being hyped not because of the hoster, but because of Seeel. He's doing a lot of videos talking about the planning and essentially "moneyball" and after being able to over perform with his last hoster a lot of people are excited to see him working with more mechanically gifted players. I don't think people have high expectations for them for this first tournament, but there are a lot of people putting them top 4 considering the year overall. - W7M entered the franchise in a very shady manner which led to a bit of bad taste between the community and the team. 2 teams with big money (KBM and LOS) are playing on T2 while Fluxo (a team without a single good project) was kept in. Then this weird merger/sale happened. The problem is Riot promised all franchised team were going to be ex-CBLOL teams, which made this situation weird af. It looked like a scam happened to bring them in while keeping what riot promised as technically true. - Shini has said on his streams that he still is contracted by Fluxo, which means that W7M hasn't really bought Fluxo but no one know what the fuck actually happened. - There is a lot of doubts on Winsome. A lot of people shit talking him and doubting him specially since "Guigs outperformed him in every way possible on the Americas Challenge". - Wiz have some haters but overall his image is good in Brazil. His performances weren't great, but his teams also kinda suck and his ex- teammates consider him a great teammate and shot caller. So there are a lot of people giving him the benefit of the doubt. - There is a bit of doubts in regards of Tin + Robo motivation, specially since they look to be late to start to train again. - There is a lot of hate in regards of Red decision making, Aegis and Grevthar on the scene ATM. Grev is a player that have a vision of "sacrificing himself to help your other lanes" that many consider outdated to the current game, which leads to him having trouble at actually carrying games. Aegis playstyle is being criticized a lot as well as being too selfish for current jungle. There are a lot of people saying they should split and seek other teams to mature their gameplay. And that's it :P In regards of our region goats I think it's impossible to not put Tockers and maybe Revolta up there. The dominance of INTZ Exódia exerced was absurd, and those 2 are the main reason for that IMO, although by the way they talk about each other it seems that all of them were really knowledgeable about the game, miles ahead of their counterparts on other teams.
I love the Brazilian LoLEsports community so much. When they disagree with me, they type up an educated essay explaining their thoughts in a respectful way, when any other major region disagrees with me, they call me brainless and send death threats😭
Couldn't agree more, and regarding the W7M topic, I would also add that it wasn't only the community that was "mad", but also the players and teams. Everybody is questioning why they left out Kabum, a 4x times CBLOL winner, with a very solid project and a lot of money, or LOS, a team that, altough never won any titles, were always bringing some good projects and ideas to the scene, such as the super LOS team that finished 3rd in 2023 1st split, or the brTT comeback last split, to let Fluxo in. There were already some rumors of Fluxo selling their spots on other eSports competitions because they didn't have enough money, so the community felt betrayed and the teams and palyers a bit "threatened".
LLA resident here. Regarding SNAKER's name. He said it was based on snake and he added an "R" at the end so the pronunciation would be the "English" one (first way you said it) but in Argentina they tend to say words as they are written so his name has always been pronunciated in the "Spanish" way (Second one you said). In general I think this second one is the intended one or, at least, the most popular one.
Some points I wanted to make: Fluxo/W7M problem was that fluxo made a mess. They were hiring a team at the same time W7M were hiring too, them they merged the projects after fluxo sold out. Fuu is a promisse for the future, he's actually good but doesn't have experience. W7M is one of the most well organized/managed orgs in Brazil, they're just new to LOL and the cblol fans were kinda mad that fluxo didn't sell their spot to Kabum or Los Vks will be top 5 AT LEAST, even with the uncertainty of boals form. Coach Seel is just that good. Furia problem was the LoL management, but they changed it, so in theory they should get better Snaker is weaker than the other adcs, but since he and Ackerman are playing together for so long, he will have a great perform in splits 1 and 2 I think. Burdol probably top 3 toplaners Red canids problem is consistency in the games + grevthar lane phase Grevthar is a good team leader, he isn't a IGL, but he gives good calls. But his lane phase is so bad that damages the chances of the team to be top 1/2 Loud in second??? Nah. Tin maybe short of motivation, probably will retire at the end of the year (robo too) Wiz isn't that bad, he just needs a chance to perform well Pain top 1 Isurus top 3 in my books! (Loud top 4)
The thing with Boal is that he played in messed up environments, Keyd will probably help him grow a lot and I'd be surprised if they dont get at least to finals in split 2 (not 1 though)
hi poro, glad to see your e-sports content again :) I'm super excited to LTA south, we clearly got an improvement on the overall level of the league. Personally I'm really curious about how the VKS and FUR rosters will perform, since, first, vks made some bold (but exciting) moves and second, towards fur, I just share with you this feeling of rooting for ayu lol
Cool to see someone outside of brazil placing Red that high and saying good things about Grevthar. Public opinion here in Brazil is tending to treat Red as a horrible team and Grevthar as the worst player the league has ever saw, and i just find that insane tbh. Feels almost personal sometimes and nobody talks about. Feels even crazier when all the team mystic is that they are super friends with eachother, almost as a family and before all that public thrashtalk on Grev, he was known as basically the nicest guy on the league.
@PsychopathicPoroClips hmm maybe because he went by different name at some point? owned i think it was? maybe that plus him playing a good bit of his carreer on CNB and not being that consistently good placement, or dealing with his health issues and vanishing for a bit, idk. he is a way bigger personality after his carreer as a pro, especially after he started baianalista, a show on his stream where he was one of the first ex pros here to watch and analyze games on stream, which was the foundation for IDL today
@@jonathanbiamdecarvalhosouz3767 chill, just a way of saying things. I was big on intz, have two of their jerseys, one from exodia and other from the worlds run after the chip they won vs flamengo, I love revolta and be would be my personal pick but I just don't want to be biased in these type of talks :)
Great video, would just swap red and keyd places, and get furia behind red. I think keyd could get a roster of 5 academy players and they would beat red on macro with enough time, the only incognita in my opinion with keyd is how dedicated Boal will be since he doenst have a good historic but its a atleast top 4 team even tho i cant imagine them winning(atleast first splits) Regarding LOUD they are looking really strange, I dont trust Winsome and i dont know if Wiz will be able to do what Croc did + the LEC Duo last perfomances were disappointing and i dont see them training this new season too (also i dont wanna see LOUD winning, even if they have Route, Robo on international stage is a sad sight)
Brance and FNB on RED is by far the worst thing for their careers too, 2 talented players with top 1 potential on their roles being wasted on a team that cant change
For we Brazilians the Discussion around greatest of all times is around those names: Tinowns, Ceos, Brtt, Robo, Tockers, Kami and Titan Robo is very criticized and kinda underrated, on the other hand Kami is very loved and appears on those discussions basically because of his prime era, but is kinda overrated too. The others are just on the pool
Kami to me will always be the best because of his attitude. Only pro, back then and today, who isn't toxic and focus on himself instead of lashing on his team.
RED Canids actually has the WORST Map in the LTA south, they have the hands but Jesus they are dumb playing... Being the worst map in a region known for not being good in macro is even worse, and Grevthar and Aegis have a great portion of the fault here, they normally only play for gaps and kill, they are lost on terms of tempo on map all the time. VKS probably top 4 to be realistic. The question here is Boal of course but i really think that Kisee is a top half midlaner in the league and Disamis is in the worst case top 3 Jungle and they have Trymbi in the botlane. VKS was known for the entire of 2024 for being a team who played really well the map but lacked hands, Leleko and prodelta are solids players and smart ones but not very mechanic. Smiley was very good actually but they had the opportunity to do a massive upgarde on the sup position and on Mid Kisee is also a upgrade. They did the same thing as 2023 to 2024. Changed all but 1 player, 2024 was guigo, 2025 is disamis. They growth is fast and 2 of the new players were already on the enviroment of the team so i expect their to be really good pretty fast... Again, Boal is the ??? Ayu data and numbers are the best in CBLOL but need to translate in results and for that the team need to be good. They had a horrendous 2024 in terms of top lane with destroy and zzk both horrible and xyno who was only 16 at the time played too. Then they had Mir/Stiner/Wiz in the Jungle all in one year, pretty much a mess. Now with good TOP and JG and wth ThinkCard as the coach, mayeb they can improve more. Pain is Pain. Kuri mechanics are actually insane but he just dont work the map well, his teamfights are great but Titan and cariok are the callers of the team, i personally dont like teams where the sup dont have active voice on the macro.
I definitely remember RED having some solid decision making at the last international tournament they went to, with some of the same team members as well. Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention recently Looks like everyone thinks VKS will be good, I'm excited to see it
@@PsychopathicPoroClips Yeah last time RED was in a international Guigo was still on RED, back in 2022, only Aegis and Grev are still on the team. Titan was the ADC. About VKS is more about the coaching staff then the players, the team had a bottom 3 budget on players and was first on both splits and played finals last year so..
i definitely think it's impossible for red to place higher than isurus but other than that i like your view on most things.. since everyone else is posting their thoughts here's mine: fuu is pretty good, i definitely don't see him as being the issue in neither his past split's team nor the upcoming one (but unfortunately i do not see his team getting anything higher than 7th, prob 8th though) i also don't think tutsz is bad either, he does have bad matches but i feel like he was more consistent than the bot lane 2024 (at least on the first split i didnt watch that much second split), specially as control mage - my worry for furia is not the players themselves but how well they're going to get along and management etc. as others said keyd should be in the top half, the players are at minimum a decent level but more importantly the management/coaches/etc are very good red...... has issues. if red dropped aegis i think the team would improve regardless of if they hired a player that is "worse" than him or not. grevthar has problems obv but i do feel like his negative impact on the team is MUCH LESS problematic than aegis's way of playing the game (up until last split at least, dunno how the jungle meta will be this split) well, they chose not to drop anyone so we can pray that they just start playing either for bot or top instead of giving aegis so much freedom to do what he wants - if they did play for bot/top it could still work and i could see them getting up to 3rd again but otherwise hell no loud robo and tin feel like they have 0 motivation for the game lately but maybe when the season starts they become what they usually are again so we'll see, but tin just feels like he got too comfortable being the "only good mid laner" for too long and now that he has people to take his spot he just doesn't care enough to try... i also will never like robo (as a player) cuz he just coinflips every single game and sure sometimes he carries but i wouldn't ever rely on him even though he is technically the best on the region. pain gaming - no comment (but also other teams stop target banning 5 adcs cuz titan doesnt give a shit he can play anything thats available ban other lanes for the love of god) also i dont think snaker will be the worst adc in the league, definitely not top tier but during cbolão (community made tournament that this last iteration included the argentina "super team") he didn't seem like he was struggling that much vs our bot lanes
@@PsychopathicPoroClips That's ok, i normally get kinda bugged when i search for the results of the chinese, korean, etc (north leagues) because the seasons are inverted xD
Great video mate, thank you. As a cblol fan my list would be 1.Pain 2.Isg/est 3.Loud 4.Vks 5.Red 6.Furia 7.Lev 8.W7M. Last split loud look terrible but still has good players. Vks is the best project and probably will do fine. I hope furia show a good game too but historically they never did 😂. Thats it
@@PsychopathicPoroClips I know I have an unpopular opinion, I'm projecting what I think might happen, a little skewed in magic. Many put Fluxo last for example, but from what I watch of the players Fuuu, Marvin, Guigs for me are top3 of their routes. Kisee will surprise a lot in the mid of vivo Keyd.
most lucid tierlist until now, better than brazillians influencers who watch the league every split and forgot who is good, who is bad. red canids never has been out playoffs since 2021 and the brazillians influencers are saying their are top 6 this split
Brazilian here, this is how I see it: Aegis is a decent jungler but too inconsistent. Grevthar is down on performance recently. Titan is too full of himself. His first reaction when something goes wrong is blame his teammates. Tinows and Dynquedo are known midlaners but past their prime imho. FUR lineup is a tier 2 group of players in our region to be honest. VKS has a great coach and they are really good at rotating together. But JoJo's mechanics are lacking hard. CarioK and Disamis are really good junglers, sad not to see other names that shined in the recent tournament, Cebolão, like Stiner.
I've spoken highly of Ackerman in past videos, I just think he'll be average or slightly below average in the CBLOL and that Snaker will struggle ebough that the bot duo as a whole will be on the weaker side
VKS will actually surprise you, coach seeel will make you bow for the PROCESS and there's no way furia does better ha vks, sorry for breaking your expectations but this team is cursed lol also, I don't think there's a world josedeodo is better than cariok, at least not while josedeodo has snaker and ackerman while cariok has the best botlane of the league and maybe red and keyd > loud, don't know if they can keep it up for like, 4 entire years straight (mainly robo and tinowns)
I didn't forget TitaN I just didn't mention him because everyone already knows he's insane. I think I briefly said he had the best highs of any CBLOL adc last split when I was talking about Route
After watching like 5 of those lists I realized all of them just looked wrong to me, Lowkey this split is wide open. Regarding the Fluxo W7M situation, the only actual bad management thing we know they did was be indecisive and have miscommunication issues with themselves and Riot, beyond that we only know the roster moves and the dates they happened in, but together they still don't paint a good picture. Basically, Fluxo is owned by 2 guys, and one of them stopped investing, so the remaining guy is cutting costs, since eSports makes no money, which lead us to this. The bigger issue is historic orgs with money, titles or fanbases, LOS/KBM , being left out in favor of Fluxo, which made the fans much more bitter about it. Anyway, bad list (VKS is top 1 TRUST THE PROCESS), but that's because a good list is impossible, but it was still a nice attempt, I would watch you costreaming the games if you end up doing that. Cheers from Brazil!
Great video, brother! I really enjoyed the analysis. Just adding a bit more context on Keyd's situation, which is surprising so far.
Coach SeeEl took over at the beginning of 2024, where VKS was going through a change of leadership and economic management. The team was left out of the CBLOL in 2020, 21 and 22 for not being accepted into the franchise system, returning only in 2023, where they had a terrible season. Because of this, SeeEl's work was fundamental to rebuilding the team, which kept Guigo (a great player, but who was lacking in prospects) and signed Disamis (known for being great at SoloQ and terrible on stage), ProDelta (a newcomer who was kicked out of Pain), Smiley (who was tied down by a contract on a bad team in Europe) and Toucuille, who was later replaced by Leleko (another newcomer) because the Frenchman was dealing with some psychological health problems. This team was able, against all odds, to finish third in the first split and runners-up in the second.
Now, with a more exciting squad with the help of Disamis (who really absorbed SeeEl's methods and is said to be the 2nd best brazilian jungler), Kisee (4x Oceania champion who was in the academy), an established veteran like Trymbi and the young promises Boal and Mortheus, a lot is expected of this team that already had an insane ability in the macro, but lacked a lot in the micro. It remains to be seen how they adapt, but expectations are high as SeeEl promised at least one trophy this year.
Disamis was a monster in scrims, not soloq
soloq also, he often has 3 accounts on the challenger, one of which is the top 1
Coach SeeEL is a genius, i think they will be a surprise in this first split!! Great to see people from another country being interested for our league! Hugs from Brazil
Very good video. VKS will surprise you, coach seeel is genius.
Hugs from Brazil, brother. You summed up w7m's impasse well, but it was a little more tense than that... Basically, because of the way w7m entered the LTA, the team was badly talked about throughout the community and sting really kicked their asses!! Anyway, this is a great tierlist, you should try to co-stream LTA or Circuitão, I would watch it!
Although very different, since nowhere in Brazil do you see a lunatic putting VKS below the top 3
@@BigTonhão interesting, maybe too much hype around Trymbi and the academy players? I think they're all great decisions but idk if it'll click for them right away
You missed the point about the hype in Vivo Keyd, SeeEl is the source of the hype.
With 3 academy level players in 2024 split 1, Keyd placed third. Split 2 reached finals.
Don't matter if the entire team has changed, SeeEl still here.
@@PsychopathicPoroClips
@@PsychopathicPoroClips Much hype about seel tbh (me included) what he managed to do with a very cheap roster in 2024 was pure magic
@@BigTonhão I've seen a couple of them ranking keyd as 4-5, but hopefully they are wrong xD
Furia has a pretty bad historic with toplaners, I wish Guigo breaks this curse
Thanks for the tierlist and sharing your insight, hope you enjoy LTA SOUTH. #goloud
Your point of view from someone outside Brazil is very interesting, especially about Pain/Red, you literally said the opposite of what everyone else in Brazil said. Grev is considered the worst mid liner in Brazil at the moment, some even comment on the possibility of him being the worst in history to win a Cblol. Cariok and Kuri are the best in their roles.
@@wallflower1999 did you what tocker's video? he say exactly what I say here
@@wallflower1999 He didnt hsay he was the worst, he said he is the worst to win a title, big difference in that nuance. Which I still disagree, as we had Nosferus, Brucer and Marvin winning splits, but there is a case that he is indeed the worst mid lane winner.
It's interesting seeing your more non-biased analysis since I'm listening to Brazilian annalists, pros and ex-pros everyday. IMO what is different between your video and the overall discourse I'm listening is:
- Guigo is not being that hyped in Brazil because while he was a good player on VKS he didn't change nor evolved to fit in the team playstyle, which led to a feeling of "He is good but this is as good as he's going to get" and "He still have the Red Canids blood even after 2 years", meaning he can be kinda dumb when playing.
- VKs is being hyped not because of the hoster, but because of Seeel. He's doing a lot of videos talking about the planning and essentially "moneyball" and after being able to over perform with his last hoster a lot of people are excited to see him working with more mechanically gifted players. I don't think people have high expectations for them for this first tournament, but there are a lot of people putting them top 4 considering the year overall.
- W7M entered the franchise in a very shady manner which led to a bit of bad taste between the community and the team. 2 teams with big money (KBM and LOS) are playing on T2 while Fluxo (a team without a single good project) was kept in. Then this weird merger/sale happened. The problem is Riot promised all franchised team were going to be ex-CBLOL teams, which made this situation weird af. It looked like a scam happened to bring them in while keeping what riot promised as technically true.
- Shini has said on his streams that he still is contracted by Fluxo, which means that W7M hasn't really bought Fluxo but no one know what the fuck actually happened.
- There is a lot of doubts on Winsome. A lot of people shit talking him and doubting him specially since "Guigs outperformed him in every way possible on the Americas Challenge".
- Wiz have some haters but overall his image is good in Brazil. His performances weren't great, but his teams also kinda suck and his ex- teammates consider him a great teammate and shot caller. So there are a lot of people giving him the benefit of the doubt.
- There is a bit of doubts in regards of Tin + Robo motivation, specially since they look to be late to start to train again.
- There is a lot of hate in regards of Red decision making, Aegis and Grevthar on the scene ATM. Grev is a player that have a vision of "sacrificing himself to help your other lanes" that many consider outdated to the current game, which leads to him having trouble at actually carrying games. Aegis playstyle is being criticized a lot as well as being too selfish for current jungle. There are a lot of people saying they should split and seek other teams to mature their gameplay.
And that's it :P
In regards of our region goats I think it's impossible to not put Tockers and maybe Revolta up there. The dominance of INTZ Exódia exerced was absurd, and those 2 are the main reason for that IMO, although by the way they talk about each other it seems that all of them were really knowledgeable about the game, miles ahead of their counterparts on other teams.
I love the Brazilian LoLEsports community so much. When they disagree with me, they type up an educated essay explaining their thoughts in a respectful way, when any other major region disagrees with me, they call me brainless and send death threats😭
Couldn't agree more, and regarding the W7M topic, I would also add that it wasn't only the community that was "mad", but also the players and teams. Everybody is questioning why they left out Kabum, a 4x times CBLOL winner, with a very solid project and a lot of money, or LOS, a team that, altough never won any titles, were always bringing some good projects and ideas to the scene, such as the super LOS team that finished 3rd in 2023 1st split, or the brTT comeback last split, to let Fluxo in. There were already some rumors of Fluxo selling their spots on other eSports competitions because they didn't have enough money, so the community felt betrayed and the teams and palyers a bit "threatened".
Damn that's a really good comment, couldn't summarize it better in any other way.
LLA resident here.
Regarding SNAKER's name. He said it was based on snake and he added an "R" at the end so the pronunciation would be the "English" one (first way you said it) but in Argentina they tend to say words as they are written so his name has always been pronunciated in the "Spanish" way (Second one you said). In general I think this second one is the intended one or, at least, the most popular one.
Ok so basically all of Latin America is wrong and Snaker himself is wrong and I'm right👍
" is nya care " in portuguese 😂😂😂
Brazilians themselves greatly underestimate RED Canids, fools.
every split, and every split they shut their mouth
Some points I wanted to make:
Fluxo/W7M problem was that fluxo made a mess. They were hiring a team at the same time W7M were hiring too, them they merged the projects after fluxo sold out.
Fuu is a promisse for the future, he's actually good but doesn't have experience.
W7M is one of the most well organized/managed orgs in Brazil, they're just new to LOL and the cblol fans were kinda mad that fluxo didn't sell their spot to Kabum or Los
Vks will be top 5 AT LEAST, even with the uncertainty of boals form. Coach Seel is just that good.
Furia problem was the LoL management, but they changed it, so in theory they should get better
Snaker is weaker than the other adcs, but since he and Ackerman are playing together for so long, he will have a great perform in splits 1 and 2 I think.
Burdol probably top 3 toplaners
Red canids problem is consistency in the games + grevthar lane phase
Grevthar is a good team leader, he isn't a IGL, but he gives good calls. But his lane phase is so bad that damages the chances of the team to be top 1/2
Loud in second??? Nah. Tin maybe short of motivation, probably will retire at the end of the year (robo too)
Wiz isn't that bad, he just needs a chance to perform well
Pain top 1
Isurus top 3 in my books! (Loud top 4)
The thing with Boal is that he played in messed up environments, Keyd will probably help him grow a lot and I'd be surprised if they dont get at least to finals in split 2 (not 1 though)
For split 1 they are at least 5th
As a Loud fan, Inhave good expectations on Keyds rosters
Thanks for the tier list!
Nice video dude congratulations 🇧🇷❤ but i think Isurus Estral and Leviatan will surprise next split
hi poro, glad to see your e-sports content again :)
I'm super excited to LTA south, we clearly got an improvement on the overall level of the league. Personally I'm really curious about how the VKS and FUR rosters will perform, since, first, vks made some bold (but exciting) moves and second, towards fur, I just share with you this feeling of rooting for ayu lol
grandpa absolut could be considered as the best cblol player, even more so if we include money in the table.
good job on research, dude!
O gringo mais lúcido que os próprios brs
Cool to see someone outside of brazil placing Red that high and saying good things about Grevthar. Public opinion here in Brazil is tending to treat Red as a horrible team and Grevthar as the worst player the league has ever saw, and i just find that insane tbh. Feels almost personal sometimes and nobody talks about. Feels even crazier when all the team mystic is that they are super friends with eachother, almost as a family and before all that public thrashtalk on Grev, he was known as basically the nicest guy on the league.
17:54 you can add kami on that list for sure, takeshi, maybe revolta.
I'm scrolling through some of the older CBLOL seasons, how did I not know until just now that Baiano was a player💀💀💀
@PsychopathicPoroClips hmm maybe because he went by different name at some point? owned i think it was? maybe that plus him playing a good bit of his carreer on CNB and not being that consistently good placement, or dealing with his health issues and vanishing for a bit, idk. he is a way bigger personality after his carreer as a pro, especially after he started baianalista, a show on his stream where he was one of the first ex pros here to watch and analyze games on stream, which was the foundation for IDL today
he can be in talks for bigger icon *today*, but imho not all time and definitely not best player
Maybe revolta? lol
Revolta for sure
@@jonathanbiamdecarvalhosouz3767 chill, just a way of saying things. I was big on intz, have two of their jerseys, one from exodia and other from the worlds run after the chip they won vs flamengo, I love revolta and be would be my personal pick but I just don't want to be biased in these type of talks :)
LETS GOOOOO ISURUS ESTRAL♥️🙌
Great video, would just swap red and keyd places, and get furia behind red. I think keyd could get a roster of 5 academy players and they would beat red on macro with enough time, the only incognita in my opinion with keyd is how dedicated Boal will be since he doenst have a good historic but its a atleast top 4 team even tho i cant imagine them winning(atleast first splits)
Regarding LOUD they are looking really strange, I dont trust Winsome and i dont know if Wiz will be able to do what Croc did + the LEC Duo last perfomances were disappointing and i dont see them training this new season too (also i dont wanna see LOUD winning, even if they have Route, Robo on international stage is a sad sight)
Brance and FNB on RED is by far the worst thing for their careers too, 2 talented players with top 1 potential on their roles being wasted on a team that cant change
ISG/EST clearly in the fight to be the best team. Best top/jg/mid/sup(with ceos gone). Bot in the top half
For we Brazilians the Discussion around greatest of all times is around those names:
Tinowns, Ceos, Brtt, Robo, Tockers, Kami and Titan
Robo is very criticized and kinda underrated, on the other hand Kami is very loved and appears on those discussions basically because of his prime era, but is kinda overrated too.
The others are just on the pool
goats of cblol
robo/mylon
revolta
kami/tockers
brtt/titan
ceos
Kami to me will always be the best because of his attitude. Only pro, back then and today, who isn't toxic and focus on himself instead of lashing on his team.
forgot tinowns
Does Tinowns play volleyball?
@@victoremmanoel9918 he tried, but he's 1,75 meters tall, so he eventually gave up on professional volleyball.
Wiz its chockerzinho, in playoffs Estral will be the major treat for Pain/Red
Kuri is by far the best support in the competition.
RED Canids actually has the WORST Map in the LTA south, they have the hands but Jesus they are dumb playing... Being the worst map in a region known for not being good in macro is even worse, and Grevthar and Aegis have a great portion of the fault here, they normally only play for gaps and kill, they are lost on terms of tempo on map all the time.
VKS probably top 4 to be realistic. The question here is Boal of course but i really think that Kisee is a top half midlaner in the league and Disamis is in the worst case top 3 Jungle and they have Trymbi in the botlane. VKS was known for the entire of 2024 for being a team who played really well the map but lacked hands, Leleko and prodelta are solids players and smart ones but not very mechanic. Smiley was very good actually but they had the opportunity to do a massive upgarde on the sup position and on Mid Kisee is also a upgrade. They did the same thing as 2023 to 2024. Changed all but 1 player, 2024 was guigo, 2025 is disamis. They growth is fast and 2 of the new players were already on the enviroment of the team so i expect their to be really good pretty fast... Again, Boal is the ???
Ayu data and numbers are the best in CBLOL but need to translate in results and for that the team need to be good. They had a horrendous 2024 in terms of top lane with destroy and zzk both horrible and xyno who was only 16 at the time played too. Then they had Mir/Stiner/Wiz in the Jungle all in one year, pretty much a mess. Now with good TOP and JG and wth ThinkCard as the coach, mayeb they can improve more.
Pain is Pain. Kuri mechanics are actually insane but he just dont work the map well, his teamfights are great but Titan and cariok are the callers of the team, i personally dont like teams where the sup dont have active voice on the macro.
I definitely remember RED having some solid decision making at the last international tournament they went to, with some of the same team members as well. Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention recently
Looks like everyone thinks VKS will be good, I'm excited to see it
@@PsychopathicPoroClips Yeah last time RED was in a international Guigo was still on RED, back in 2022, only Aegis and Grev are still on the team. Titan was the ADC. About VKS is more about the coaching staff then the players, the team had a bottom 3 budget on players and was first on both splits and played finals last year so..
For me tockers is in the conversation for goat but I have to go with Ranger, not only cblol goat, the best to ever play league of legends
i definitely think it's impossible for red to place higher than isurus but other than that i like your view on most things.. since everyone else is posting their thoughts here's mine:
fuu is pretty good, i definitely don't see him as being the issue in neither his past split's team nor the upcoming one (but unfortunately i do not see his team getting anything higher than 7th, prob 8th though)
i also don't think tutsz is bad either, he does have bad matches but i feel like he was more consistent than the bot lane 2024 (at least on the first split i didnt watch that much second split), specially as control mage - my worry for furia is not the players themselves but how well they're going to get along and management etc.
as others said keyd should be in the top half, the players are at minimum a decent level but more importantly the management/coaches/etc are very good
red...... has issues. if red dropped aegis i think the team would improve regardless of if they hired a player that is "worse" than him or not. grevthar has problems obv but i do feel like his negative impact on the team is MUCH LESS problematic than aegis's way of playing the game (up until last split at least, dunno how the jungle meta will be this split)
well, they chose not to drop anyone so we can pray that they just start playing either for bot or top instead of giving aegis so much freedom to do what he wants - if they did play for bot/top it could still work and i could see them getting up to 3rd again but otherwise hell no
loud robo and tin feel like they have 0 motivation for the game lately but maybe when the season starts they become what they usually are again so we'll see, but tin just feels like he got too comfortable being the "only good mid laner" for too long and now that he has people to take his spot he just doesn't care enough to try... i also will never like robo (as a player) cuz he just coinflips every single game and sure sometimes he carries but i wouldn't ever rely on him even though he is technically the best on the region.
pain gaming - no comment (but also other teams stop target banning 5 adcs cuz titan doesnt give a shit he can play anything thats available ban other lanes for the love of god)
also i dont think snaker will be the worst adc in the league, definitely not top tier but during cbolão (community made tournament that this last iteration included the argentina "super team") he didn't seem like he was struggling that much vs our bot lanes
nice tier list bro #gopain
LTA South summer, just correcting.
I completely forgot that seasons are different in different countries😭 it's winter in the United States right now
@@PsychopathicPoroClips That's ok, i normally get kinda bugged when i search for the results of the chinese, korean, etc (north leagues) because the seasons are inverted xD
Great video mate, thank you. As a cblol fan my list would be 1.Pain 2.Isg/est 3.Loud 4.Vks 5.Red 6.Furia 7.Lev 8.W7M. Last split loud look terrible but still has good players. Vks is the best project and probably will do fine. I hope furia show a good game too but historically they never did 😂. Thats it
Lev is so underrated, and Loud surpised me a lot in 2 (for me the team looks like shit), but overall the tierlist is good enough.
I would put isurus being champion, paiN top2, Vivo keyd top3 and fluxo top4. Loud in second to last
ISGEST have a promising roster but I'm skeptical to blindly put faith in an LLA team topping the Brazilian league right out of the gate
@@PsychopathicPoroClips I know I have an unpopular opinion, I'm projecting what I think might happen, a little skewed in magic. Many put Fluxo last for example, but from what I watch of the players Fuuu, Marvin, Guigs for me are top3 of their routes. Kisee will surprise a lot in the mid of vivo Keyd.
In pragmatism, I see a scenario of Vivo Keyd being champion as well.
most lucid tierlist until now, better than brazillians influencers who watch the league every split and forgot who is good, who is bad. red canids never has been out playoffs since 2021 and the brazillians influencers are saying their are top 6 this split
I didn't realize that I was dropping myself smack into the middle of a RED Canids debate before making this video😭
Brazilian here, this is how I see it:
Aegis is a decent jungler but too inconsistent.
Grevthar is down on performance recently.
Titan is too full of himself. His first reaction when something goes wrong is blame his teammates.
Tinows and Dynquedo are known midlaners but past their prime imho.
FUR lineup is a tier 2 group of players in our region to be honest.
VKS has a great coach and they are really good at rotating together. But JoJo's mechanics are lacking hard.
CarioK and Disamis are really good junglers, sad not to see other names that shined in the recent tournament, Cebolão, like Stiner.
why everyone underrate ackerman that much? he is easily top 3 supports in the league
I've spoken highly of Ackerman in past videos, I just think he'll be average or slightly below average in the CBLOL and that Snaker will struggle ebough that the bot duo as a whole will be on the weaker side
easily lol
VKS will actually surprise you, coach seeel will make you bow for the PROCESS
and there's no way furia does better ha vks, sorry for breaking your expectations but this team is cursed lol
also, I don't think there's a world josedeodo is better than cariok, at least not while josedeodo has snaker and ackerman while cariok has the best botlane of the league
and maybe red and keyd > loud, don't know if they can keep it up for like, 4 entire years straight (mainly robo and tinowns)
titan historicaly is actualy is top 3 on league. ( shoud suppars brtt)
You forgot tittan He is só fucking good
I didn't forget TitaN I just didn't mention him because everyone already knows he's insane. I think I briefly said he had the best highs of any CBLOL adc last split when I was talking about Route
After watching like 5 of those lists I realized all of them just looked wrong to me, Lowkey this split is wide open.
Regarding the Fluxo W7M situation, the only actual bad management thing we know they did was be indecisive and have miscommunication issues with themselves and Riot, beyond that we only know the roster moves and the dates they happened in, but together they still don't paint a good picture.
Basically, Fluxo is owned by 2 guys, and one of them stopped investing, so the remaining guy is cutting costs, since eSports makes no money, which lead us to this.
The bigger issue is historic orgs with money, titles or fanbases, LOS/KBM , being left out in favor of Fluxo, which made the fans much more bitter about it.
Anyway, bad list (VKS is top 1 TRUST THE PROCESS), but that's because a good list is impossible, but it was still a nice attempt, I would watch you costreaming the games if you end up doing that.
Cheers from Brazil!
Bro really putting the house on Boal
Sobre o fluxo e W7M, é pior do que você pensa, mas foi bem explicado
I was actually trying to be on the nicer side, since it would be a terrible look if I bashed W7M and it turned out it wasn't that bad