As someone who restocked those snack tables many many times, the dude is talking about when the lead cards were going through and the middle of the buzzz saw release that was right next to it. People would literally walk up and load their backpacks and grab a few body armors and sodas and move on. Which is totally cool, but also hard to keep up with when you’re there from before FPO tee to after MPO finish. Trips back and forth from the multiple U-Haul’s of snacks. VIP also came with exclusive (free) discs and access to follow main cards in the fairway. There’s always room to improve, but 4 days of tickets and unlimited snacks and drinks that you can just load in your bag and take on the course seemed like a decent deal to me 🤷♂️
I kinda used not be that fond of Gannon, but I hung around after Worlds to get Isaacs autograph and after I did I saw Gannon, Ezra and Alden hanging out and I walked over for a few more signatures, Gannon was soooo cool, great guy!
Step putting is like race walking, if you look on film they technically are off the ground but as long as you maintain the appearance of keeping your foot in contact with the ground it's good enough. The rule is to stop people from jumping not being a millimeter off the ground when releasing your putt.
Just thought of this, and most likely not an original thought. Both feet need to be behind the lie on release of disc. There are way roo many borderline step putts nowadays.
“Appearance” that’s the problem. It appears to be a foot fault in real time but you can only tell it’s not on video replay. Since the onus is on players in real time to call it, players shouldn’t make it too close to call. Personally, I’m for saying no step putting within circle 1 or 2. Not necessary and removes ambiguity
Most great putters aren't foot-faulting, because having the stability and power of a plant foot is 1000% better than getting 2 inches closer and throwing wildly without a ground. It's kind of basic when you think about the mechanics of how you're getting momentum behind a disc.
I don't see anything wrong with a step or jump putt but Luke... I like Luke.. but he is actually breaking the PDGA rules by touching grass with his lead-foot before the release of the disc. Either make a rule change, or call it what it is.
I've met Gannon and have been a fan ever since! He's a good kid from a good family not that far from where I grew up! Keep giving them haters fuel I love it ✊
I was there on Saturday and really sad about the vendors being 3 different discraft booths, and a few other stuff. All i wanted was to buy some discs from EO and Proctor.
This is becoming the norm at Heinold events. I hope people don’t forget that he owns the ledgestone shop and is pricing out any other vendors while TDing. Conflicts of interest everywhere you look.
I mean, it’s literally a Discraft event. But you could get other brands at the DGPT shop. Discraft and ledgestone are actually separate, even if they are closely affiliated.
Regarding "lack of score separation" Round 3 lead card B9: 10- all pars but Issac caged his bird 11- star frame but should have had 1 par (Luke's throw in) 12- all pars but should have been 2 birds/par (missed C1 putts) 13- 2 birds/pars 14- 1 bird & 3 pars 15- 1 bird/bogey & 2pars 16- 1 bird/par & 2 bogeys 17- 3 pars & 1 bogey 18- 3 birds & 1 par In this small sample size there are more holes with separation than not so idk what Gannon is talking about
Here's the thing. You take out step putts, that would mean players would throw a "drive" from outside C1 to make it. On a drive, as long as the disc is released before you make contact past your lie, its legal.
Many top pros (and probably 80%+) or normal disc golfers have been using a step / jump putt for years. To say it’s illegal is nonsense. Go find a new hobby and cry somewhere else.
@@Shawizzlegaming its not that they are "illegal," the problem is the illegal throws that do not get called. There were so many foot faults/illegal throws this past weekend. Its mind boggling that they never get called. Nikko got a bad rap for calling people out.
if you can't spin a putter 40' or more without leaving your feet, not sure what to tell you. all it takes is a tiny bit of practice, i putt from c2 or c3 and never cross my lie
I went Thursday and Sunday. They have cordoned off a lot of the popular watching areas for "VIP access only". Which didn't matter, because there was no one there to police it anyway. VIP pass at DGLO is a complete waste of money. Probably the worst vendors row on the tour too.
To me Calvin's disc grab falls under the accidental moving rule. He shouldn't not be stroked. Group agrees where lie was prior to moving and then player throws from that lie.
In regular golf, if you grab someone else’s ball, I’m pretty sure it’s a stroke, every time, no exceptions. It’s just…the rules. It doesn’t matter if it was accidental or not. Makes you have to be aware of what’s going on, nerves don’t matter. Give him one single extra strike and move on.
It appears to be a foot fault in real time but you can only tell it’s not on video replay. Since the onus is on players in real time to call it, players shouldn’t make it too close to call. Personally, I’m for saying no step putting within circle 1 or 2. Not necessary and removes ambiguity
The biggest issue is the time it takes with how little rules are enforced. I hate playing tournaments anymore because there are always people on some card backing up everyone and no one on that card says anything. Pro cards are just as bad when the lead card has 3-5 holes left when chase card finished. It's kind of crazy how slow some people play and they never get penalties. Maybe a rule where you cant be more the 3 holes behind the card in front of you or you get a time warning/penalty for each hole you tee off and they are 3 or more ahead
I've watched your videos for a while now and recently got to throw with Jefferson. Good player good attitude. I enjoyed throwing with you and hope to do so again sometime. That cheesey guy needs to be there next time. 😁
I'd love to see a rule banning step puts. Something like "Both feet must be on or behind the lie (further from the target) at the time you release the disc."
Can we start a lobbying campaign to get Jomez and others to post the standard deviation of scores along with the average score for the hole? It would give some validity to talk about score separation, and stat mando must already have this information.
On Gannon's slow play, I understand that the card mates can call him out but he's a professional, knows the rules and needs to follow them. I don't think its fair to say he probably doesn't realize he is taking so long. No excuses
lets goooooo my reddit comment made it onto a DGW, also I was the kid who caddied for Mason ford who said loved your vlogs on hole 5 on day 3. On the first 3 days, there was always two card on the tee of 15 maybe 3 if the one behind them all was playing fast.
Once everyone realizes that all the negative online comments come from miserable people that have nothing going for them in life and only know how to be negative to others to make themselves feel better, we can see that there’s 0 reason to pay attention to any of it and ignore it. It’s just a big waste of time honestly
Imo I really dont get the problem with step putting. If step putting isnt allowed then honestly the amount of impressive and complex made putts are going to be less and less. Keep some kind of excitement in an already slow game 😂. I think the uniqueness in every ones game is what makes this sport amazing. Dont make it dull by limiting whats already possible.
try realesing your putt with both feet off the ground, you get 0 power and 0 accuracy. Only advantage you get from being able to do that is that you can jump forward alot and the rules we have already prevent that. Every time someone say a pro foot faulted on their step putt they are ALWAYS WRONG when you go frame by frame. Again pros don't do that because that is simply not how you putt.
Luke's putts are clean, indeed. Throwing with no plant on the ground for 2 inches of advantage is an insane strategy if you think he's foot-faulting. A putt with both feet off the ground would be some wild slop compared to his execution and timing.
Also, whenever Gavin misses a throw Anna immediately throws up the grass and whines that he read the wind right Anna it’s not his fault is just like Lando Calrissian in Empire strikes back: “IT’S NOT MY FAULT!” Bruh. You threw it. It’s always your fault. Wind is wind, a professional takes it with…. Professionalism.
@discgolfworld I enjoy your videos. I am subscribed. Can you please mix the sound on your videos better? All other TH-cam videos I can watch at a 10 to 12 on my TV. Your videos have to be cranked up to 16. commercials at volume 16 are freaking super loud. This includes the embedded commercial with Paul McBeth. Thank you for the great content. Looking forward to better sound mix in future videos.
@@JamesJessenfedden 90% sure it’s because they can’t afford the lawsuits as the problem with disc golf it’s not that big yet doesn’t have enough money for everything they need like refs and better quality live coverage
@@marcusspringer3516Not sure I understand your point. Are you suggesting that it’s most likely the MPO players don’t take a stance on this is because they don’t have the legal backing to pursue banning a biological male from competing in the FPO?
@@JamesJessenfedden the disc golf league probably ran out of money trying to stop them from playing in the FPO. I know they went through legal battles over it
I wouldn't say it's being a d!ck for wanting to penalize Calvin L. after moving the disc. Disc golf is often viewed as a casual sport, and decisions like these certainly influence that. I think the correct move is to issue a penalty, and remain consistent on issuing that penalty from here on out.
Brodie Smith is a child. He is the most angry person on the planet when it comes to throwing frisbees in the woods. If he threw half as good as he talked shit he wouldn’t drop out.
For a real answer, it's not adjusting. The official line is the exact line created by the front of the stakes. When there is slack in the line, it may not represent that exact plane, so it is pretty normal to pull the line taught from the front corners of the stakes to see where it actually lies.
Guys this is serious. These are real professional athletes demonstrating extreme physicality. No one could do what they do. Oh wait, anyone could. Disc Golf = touch some grass and throw frisbee in the woods. Pro Disc Golf = No one knows anything about sport, competition, physicality, or athleticism, so everyone will be super impressed when you throw stock shots on easy courses where birdie = par. Laughable disc golf community acts like this is ball golf with actual fans and millions of dollars on the line every event. Drama and seriousness and worshipping nerdy clowns as athletes.
Most people still don't know what disc golf is and yet these guys think they are the best of the best. No, they are the best of people that live in a van. It's a fun game, enjoy it
@@Slippy260 most of them live in a nice house when they aren't traveling, i would guess. they are making good money for "thinking they are the best of the best". you just watched some of the best of the best, several are millionaires. enjoy pickleball snowflake
if anyone can do it, why haven't you? if it's so easy and you don't have to be athletic, why haven't you made millions(like other pros) "throwing a frisbee in the woods"? because you CAN'T
Why Not rewrite the Step Putt Rule as the finishing or landing step shall land and finish behind the disc or mini maker while the player maintains balance behind that point throughout the flight of the putt. Just don't cross the same line a stand still abides.
I don't get it why people is getting stuck on that Calvin didn't move the disc on purpose to "sabotage" for...the other Calvin. And therefore he shouldn't be penalized. I know that is what the rule says, but I think it's a "dumb" (in lack of a better word) way to interpret the rule. I'm pretty sure Calvin grabbed the disc on purpose with the (unconscious) intention to move it. It wasn't like it got stuck in his hand by a freak accident. That's the way I see the rule should be read and used. So, in conclusion, he should've got a penalty stroke. But I'm not a mean guy. I don't have anything against him and no harm was done. So, I don't mind the outcome. It's not like we follow all the other rules "religiously" either.
Pros don't call each other on anything. Nikko Locastro has been molasses slow for years and he still hasn't been called on his pace of play. The excuse that other players are on the card is BS since they won't do anything about it. It's why the sport needs actual refs or spotters.
Gannon knows what he is doing, and intentionally abuses his card-mates by consistently exceeding the 30 second time limit. He will claim otherwise (of course!), but it is inconceivable he doesn't know how long he is taking, and he should be called on it every time. Every single person on tour knows EXACTLY how many seconds their normal routine takes. Without exception. Step-putters (as opposed to the legal "putt-step!") also know what they are doing. Chris Dickerson literally cheated his way to his USDGC victory, abusing the rule every single time he was outside the circle. And famously (or rather "infamously") it was our friend Paul Ulibarri who was a constant falling putter for a couple of years, until he was given so much crap off the course, that he changed his action to be legal. These things will ALWAYS be an issue, until such time as the TDs begin penalising not the infringing players, but rather issuing penalty strokes to the players who refuse to enforce the time or falling putt rules. Because it is very clear in the rules, that failing to enforce the rules is an infraction of the rules. And in this TD's view, failing to enforce the rules is a larger violation of the rules, than an "unintentional" falling put, or time violation. I use quotes above, because we must always (in normal circumstances) give a player the benefit of the doubt, and that they have made a mistake, rather than tried to cheat. It is truly baffling that any pro player doesn't instantly know that a player's lie unintentionally interfered with simply gets placed back where the group agrees it was - with no penalty. That is a fundamental rule in disc golf. It's the exact same scenario as if a dig picks up your disc and wanders off with it. Or a spectator picks a disc up.| Edit: so-called "Marksman" baskets are the dumbest disc golf idea of all time. We already aim at the smallest target - a single chain link. But, if you like seeing top pros repeatedly miss putts from 5-metres, then yeah - they're great. Have a look at the horrendous Colorado event several years ago when they switched to Marksman baskets for the final round. It was an absolute disaster, and the worst thing I have ever seen in disc golf. A "Marksman" basket does not and can not make you a better putter. Period.
if their plant foot is still on the ground when they release the putt, it's all good. step putts are so hard to see at real time and even in slo mo. many of them look sketchy for sure
I know what the rule says, it shouldn't be legal. Rewrite the rule! You made my point for me. Too close to call, sometimes sketchy....rewrite the rule! If it was soooo legit why is it illegal at 29.5 feet but totally full go at 30 feet? Jumpers too stop. Pdga is joke scam who is only in it to rake fees off every event from every player
I'm not claiming they know the rules but this scenario is alot more complicated than you think. Calvin did ¨intentionally¨move the disc, but the question is if they should rule on the intention of simply moving it, or the intention of knowingly moving heimburgs. disc. Basically if they should go with 810 A or 810 F, and they went with A in the end. This and because they play for thousands of dollars I don't blame them for wanting to be 100%, and neither should you.
The rule in effect is 810. A person cannot honestly say he did it with malicious intent, which is the reason for that rule. Yes, "picking it up" is intent, but not to affect another player. As for people who make these judgment calls and think they are all wise, show they do not know the rules.. my favorite is the blade of grass. As a certified official, multiple A tier and premier tier events under my belt in 15 years, also a member of focus groups for previous rule committees, I have seen and dealt with the rules and the proposed "spirit" of the rules.
Luke's step putts are technically illegal, but so are Tattar's and just about everyone else at every level of disc golf. Probably should just clarify the rule to let people do it, too hard to manage otherwise. Are you calling that on someone on your card?
Luke, Tattar, and many other top level pros have been using this style for years. To say it’s illegal is just nonsense. Go find a new hobby and cry somewhere else.
Kat's feet were all over the place. The amount of foot faults in round 2 was insane that no one called them. I mean, look at the round 2 replay, hole 17 as a good example.
@zanierrules yeah, round 2 on hole 17 at the 9-47 mark. If you zoom in, she was over the line clearly, toes and ball of the foot... She almost fell over.
@zanierrules This was her on the tee pad of 17, and I have been TD for many events and ran weekly events for 10 years, I know the rules. I just feel today's players are far to relaxed on rules. The rule 802.04 paragraph 2 states - the player is allowed to have a supporting point outside the teeing area before or after, but NOT at, the moment the disc is RELEASED. You can clearly see at the point of release her toes are over the line. she also followed through falling forward due to the ball of her foot being on that edge, and we all know that feeling
You can't tell the best player in the game to Change the way he does things, I think if you gave Gannon penaltys it would piss him off and he would play better and no one would even have a chance
Kristin hasn't been the same since she let the fans get in her head about jump putting. Also thank god Hailey lost. One of the few good things to come from the weekend.
If you whine about foot faults and the time of players it takes for them to take their next shot(while only watching disc golf online) it’s time for you to find a new hobby. Disc Golf does not want you apart of it anymore. 🤦🏻♂️ Go cry somewhere else
Reaching down and picking up a disc is 100% intentional. Slipping and falling and moving the disc in the process would be unintentional. Can't believe how ignorant your statement sounds. So if I miss a putt, I can say I didn't intend to though it there, so it was just a dropped disc and I get a free redo.
He did ¨intentionally¨ move the disc that's true but we both know he did not intentionally take heimburgs disc. Alot of rules are interpret by the group, and here they went with 810 Interference A instead of 810 interference F. You can always fake your intention about anything, but it's up to the group to interpret that intention. Your ¨So if I miss a putt¨ example is so stupid I don't even know what to say. You can try and make your case ofcourse but the group has to agree with you, and in your example they obviously won't.
The intentional movement of someone else's disc does not have to be beneficial, nor malicious. just has to be intentional. Is your argument that he wasn't smart enough to know that wasn't his disc, so he doesn't get penalized; but if someone is smart enough to know which disc is their own, then they get penalized?
Whats sad is Gannon probably never threw more than max 70% on a drive all week but wants the course easier, ok. What also is sad is how bad a majority of the tour seems to fade once they have a bad rd or 2. This yr the mpo looks like the FPO, its really Gannon and 4-5 other players every week who are playing like pros and the rest looking for the exit. CONSISTENCY it is a beautiful thing the tour needs to find from ALL.
what's really sad is newbs bitching about the best players in the world. if you think you can do better, get on it kid. you sit on your couch and talk about a bad round or 2, when a pro's bad round is better than your BEST round!
As someone who restocked those snack tables many many times, the dude is talking about when the lead cards were going through and the middle of the buzzz saw release that was right next to it.
People would literally walk up and load their backpacks and grab a few body armors and sodas and move on. Which is totally cool, but also hard to keep up with when you’re there from before FPO tee to after MPO finish. Trips back and forth from the multiple U-Haul’s of snacks.
VIP also came with exclusive (free) discs and access to follow main cards in the fairway.
There’s always room to improve, but 4 days of tickets and unlimited snacks and drinks that you can just load in your bag and take on the course seemed like a decent deal to me 🤷♂️
I kinda used not be that fond of Gannon, but I hung around after Worlds to get Isaacs autograph and after I did I saw Gannon, Ezra and Alden hanging out and I walked over for a few more signatures, Gannon was soooo cool, great guy!
I met him at worlds as well. Seemed like a cool dude to me.
All those guys are super nice and were all happy to chat with my kids and take pictures with them after dglo
Other than the slow play, Gannon is a fantastic kid.
Nice try Gannon
you tend to forget about them being a normal person playing disc golf when you stop hating someone for no reason
I’ve always said Holyn Handly looks like a FBI agent
I was at DGLO on Sunday, and can confirm the gap between tee times definitely made for awkward spectating.
Simon Lizotte. Chaotic Good.
0:58 Simon holding back the laugh was epic.
Step putting is like race walking, if you look on film they technically are off the ground but as long as you maintain the appearance of keeping your foot in contact with the ground it's good enough. The rule is to stop people from jumping not being a millimeter off the ground when releasing your putt.
I really need to do my video on this. I got it scripted. But i gotta get a camera man for it.
Just thought of this, and most likely not an original thought. Both feet need to be behind the lie on release of disc. There are way roo many borderline step putts nowadays.
“Appearance” that’s the problem. It appears to be a foot fault in real time but you can only tell it’s not on video replay. Since the onus is on players in real time to call it, players shouldn’t make it too close to call. Personally, I’m for saying no step putting within circle 1 or 2. Not necessary and removes ambiguity
Most great putters aren't foot-faulting, because having the stability and power of a plant foot is 1000% better than getting 2 inches closer and throwing wildly without a ground. It's kind of basic when you think about the mechanics of how you're getting momentum behind a disc.
I’m ok with them just banning step putts all together
You are negative to/for the players you don’t care for, and positive for the players you do.
I don't see anything wrong with a step or jump putt but Luke... I like Luke.. but he is actually breaking the PDGA rules by touching grass with his lead-foot before the release of the disc.
Either make a rule change, or call it what it is.
I've met Gannon and have been a fan ever since! He's a good kid from a good family not that far from where I grew up! Keep giving them haters fuel I love it ✊
I was there on Saturday and really sad about the vendors being 3 different discraft booths, and a few other stuff. All i wanted was to buy some discs from EO and Proctor.
This is becoming the norm at Heinold events. I hope people don’t forget that he owns the ledgestone shop and is pricing out any other vendors while TDing. Conflicts of interest everywhere you look.
I mean, it’s literally a Discraft event. But you could get other brands at the DGPT shop. Discraft and ledgestone are actually separate, even if they are closely affiliated.
Also, that man was ON TOP of Simon lmao what the hell.. I feel like spectators, and even card mates, should be at least 5 feet behind the teepad.
Regarding "lack of score separation" Round 3 lead card B9:
10- all pars but Issac caged his bird
11- star frame but should have had 1 par (Luke's throw in)
12- all pars but should have been 2 birds/par (missed C1 putts)
13- 2 birds/pars
14- 1 bird & 3 pars
15- 1 bird/bogey & 2pars
16- 1 bird/par & 2 bogeys
17- 3 pars & 1 bogey
18- 3 birds & 1 par
In this small sample size there are more holes with separation than not so idk what Gannon is talking about
Here's the thing. You take out step putts, that would mean players would throw a "drive" from outside C1 to make it. On a drive, as long as the disc is released before you make contact past your lie, its legal.
Make a circle at whatever distance step puts should be banned, could be something inside 50-80 feet, problem solved.
Many top pros (and probably 80%+) or normal disc golfers have been using a step / jump putt for years. To say it’s illegal is nonsense. Go find a new hobby and cry somewhere else.
Drives are taken from the tee box. A second shot from the field, isn’t a “drive”.
@@Shawizzlegaming its not that they are "illegal," the problem is the illegal throws that do not get called. There were so many foot faults/illegal throws this past weekend. Its mind boggling that they never get called. Nikko got a bad rap for calling people out.
if you can't spin a putter 40' or more without leaving your feet, not sure what to tell you. all it takes is a tiny bit of practice, i putt from c2 or c3 and never cross my lie
Solid work T.D.G.W. Definitely gonna keep watching
Keep it up! Love watching this every week!
I went Thursday and Sunday. They have cordoned off a lot of the popular watching areas for "VIP access only". Which didn't matter, because there was no one there to police it anyway. VIP pass at DGLO is a complete waste of money. Probably the worst vendors row on the tour too.
LET'S GO KAT MERCH! YOU ARE CHAMP MATERIAL.
gannon is the truth and banning jump putts is soft.
To me Calvin's disc grab falls under the accidental moving rule. He shouldn't not be stroked. Group agrees where lie was prior to moving and then player throws from that lie.
Just found this channel can’t wait to see where it goes😮
That kid is going to get roasted for ever for that disc pick up I think that will suffice 😅😅
Just imagine if Vinny missed the putt, oof
@@DGDirk not like calvin was gonna win anyway the way he was playing, not to mention he blew up on the last 4 holes and dropped from 2nd to 7th.
@@anhyzered6650 woosh
In regular golf, if you grab someone else’s ball, I’m pretty sure it’s a stroke, every time, no exceptions. It’s just…the rules. It doesn’t matter if it was accidental or not. Makes you have to be aware of what’s going on, nerves don’t matter. Give him one single extra strike and move on.
It's not.
It appears to be a foot fault in real time but you can only tell it’s not on video replay. Since the onus is on players in real time to call it, players shouldn’t make it too close to call. Personally, I’m for saying no step putting within circle 1 or 2. Not necessary and removes ambiguity
I think step putts should only be allowed at outside of cirlce 2. Circle 1 is way too close in my opinion. Makes it look too easy
The biggest issue is the time it takes with how little rules are enforced. I hate playing tournaments anymore because there are always people on some card backing up everyone and no one on that card says anything. Pro cards are just as bad when the lead card has 3-5 holes left when chase card finished. It's kind of crazy how slow some people play and they never get penalties. Maybe a rule where you cant be more the 3 holes behind the card in front of you or you get a time warning/penalty for each hole you tee off and they are 3 or more ahead
I've watched your videos for a while now and recently got to throw with Jefferson. Good player good attitude. I enjoyed throwing with you and hope to do so again sometime. That cheesey guy needs to be there next time. 😁
Ohhh.. D-Glo... I thought that was reference to glow in the dark rounds lmao. Why did I never make this connection
I'd love to see a rule banning step puts. Something like "Both feet must be on or behind the lie (further from the target) at the time you release the disc."
Shitty IPAs might be the most divisive thing you have ever said lol
Is the "McBeth at 69" a meme or an advertisement? Honestly curious
WOW! THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY IS SHOTS FIRED AT SIMON ON BEER TASTE! 😅😂
Can we start a lobbying campaign to get Jomez and others to post the standard deviation of scores along with the average score for the hole? It would give some validity to talk about score separation, and stat mando must already have this information.
On Gannon's slow play, I understand that the card mates can call him out but he's a professional, knows the rules and needs to follow them. I don't think its fair to say he probably doesn't realize he is taking so long. No excuses
Simon is the Peoples Champ.
There's always something to fix on a DGC.. it's never finished.. Clubs should keep their ears open for suggestions and try to make use..
lets goooooo my reddit comment made it onto a DGW, also I was the kid who caddied for Mason ford who said loved your vlogs on hole 5 on day 3. On the first 3 days, there was always two card on the tee of 15 maybe 3 if the one behind them all was playing fast.
nice self-awareness. I appreciate recognizing you're negative, makes it better
These non-self-medicating players are just going to keep taking the Win! Go Gannon!
Jump putts need to be fixed. Simply have the players land from their jump behind the marker not past it.
Gannon is newer to the tour... he needs to get some years before people will take him more serious. And he just is critical without solutions.
Once everyone realizes that all the negative online comments come from miserable people that have nothing going for them in life and only know how to be negative to others to make themselves feel better, we can see that there’s 0 reason to pay attention to any of it and ignore it. It’s just a big waste of time honestly
The disc goes back best you can tell.. no penalty..
Imo I really dont get the problem with step putting. If step putting isnt allowed then honestly the amount of impressive and complex made putts are going to be less and less. Keep some kind of excitement in an already slow game 😂. I think the uniqueness in every ones game is what makes this sport amazing. Dont make it dull by limiting whats already possible.
try realesing your putt with both feet off the ground, you get 0 power and 0 accuracy. Only advantage you get from being able to do that is that you can jump forward alot and the rules we have already prevent that. Every time someone say a pro foot faulted on their step putt they are ALWAYS WRONG when you go frame by frame. Again pros don't do that because that is simply not how you putt.
*admits they can’t hit a putt outside of circle without cheating*
*calls people a douche for looking closer at the rules*
💀💀💀
Why did Gannon grab Calvin's putter out of the basket and walk away?
Notice how the most non-performing players have the biggest mouths? Brodie.. Drew…
Fr its always the people that can’t perform well who complain about everything
DGBT!
Luke's putts are clean, indeed. Throwing with no plant on the ground for 2 inches of advantage is an insane strategy if you think he's foot-faulting. A putt with both feet off the ground would be some wild slop compared to his execution and timing.
I wish step putts were legal 100ft. and out 🤷
I wish they were illegal period
Step putts suck
Also, whenever Gavin misses a throw Anna immediately throws up the grass and whines that he read the wind right Anna it’s not his fault is just like Lando Calrissian in Empire strikes back: “IT’S NOT MY FAULT!” Bruh. You threw it. It’s always your fault. Wind is wind, a professional takes it with…. Professionalism.
it's like it's your job to endlessly string 2 sentences together that directly contradict each other.
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@discgolfworld I enjoy your videos. I am subscribed. Can you please mix the sound on your videos better? All other TH-cam videos I can watch at a 10 to 12 on my TV. Your videos have to be cranked up to 16. commercials at volume 16 are freaking super loud. This includes the embedded commercial with Paul McBeth. Thank you for the great content. Looking forward to better sound mix in future videos.
Gannon is still a kid. All the hate he gets is unwarranted imo.
He is 19... and been a "Professional" for 4 years. He is not a "kid."
@@rodeo_cwboy 19 is a kid in my book, likely in most people's eyes
If mpo players want to speak out about improving the game why not start with the elephant in the room regarding fpo
Because it’s not a big deal to them.
@@JamesJessenfedden 90% sure it’s because they can’t afford the lawsuits as the problem with disc golf it’s not that big yet doesn’t have enough money for everything they need like refs and better quality live coverage
@@marcusspringer3516 yeah. Nate has the entire lgbtqrsifsww++++/-blahblahblah backing his lawsuits.
@@marcusspringer3516Not sure I understand your point. Are you suggesting that it’s most likely the MPO players don’t take a stance on this is because they don’t have the legal backing to pursue banning a biological male from competing in the FPO?
@@JamesJessenfedden the disc golf league probably ran out of money trying to stop them from playing in the FPO. I know they went through legal battles over it
I wouldn't say it's being a d!ck for wanting to penalize Calvin L. after moving the disc. Disc golf is often viewed as a casual sport, and decisions like these certainly influence that. I think the correct move is to issue a penalty, and remain consistent on issuing that penalty from here on out.
Why did Paige Pierce DNF?
she bruised her ego
**must find drama**
Unsubbed.
A devastating blow.
@@waynebryant1857 probably not, but maybe theyll get some feedback.
Brodie Smith is a child. He is the most angry person on the planet when it comes to throwing frisbees in the woods. If he threw half as good as he talked shit he wouldn’t drop out.
Why is Gannon able to go adjust the OB line? Doesn’t quite make sense to me ….
We found the haters here😂😂 give it a rest bro
@@marcusspringer3516 hater because it's a legit question? Lmao found the unintelligent one here.
What I saw was the whole card gathered around while he straightened the string which can get wavy…. and they all agreed he was OB…… 🤷♀️
@@sylol200 did you even watch the coverage? They literally explained it while he was doing it.
For a real answer, it's not adjusting. The official line is the exact line created by the front of the stakes. When there is slack in the line, it may not represent that exact plane, so it is pretty normal to pull the line taught from the front corners of the stakes to see where it actually lies.
Floppy
Gannon isn't a complainer. He's a whiner.
Wow. Great comment! So smart.
you spelled WINNER incorrectly
@@markmcgarity He can be both. He's objectively a whiner.
@@jessejb good call?!
ngl constantly saying "drama" from this tourney or that one every week sounds hella gay
Guys this is serious. These are real professional athletes demonstrating extreme physicality. No one could do what they do. Oh wait, anyone could.
Disc Golf = touch some grass and throw frisbee in the woods.
Pro Disc Golf = No one knows anything about sport, competition, physicality, or athleticism, so everyone will be super impressed when you throw stock shots on easy courses where birdie = par.
Laughable disc golf community acts like this is ball golf with actual fans and millions of dollars on the line every event. Drama and seriousness and worshipping nerdy clowns as athletes.
Most people still don't know what disc golf is and yet these guys think they are the best of the best. No, they are the best of people that live in a van. It's a fun game, enjoy it
@@Slippy260 most of them live in a nice house when they aren't traveling, i would guess. they are making good money for "thinking they are the best of the best". you just watched some of the best of the best, several are millionaires. enjoy pickleball snowflake
if anyone can do it, why haven't you? if it's so easy and you don't have to be athletic, why haven't you made millions(like other pros) "throwing a frisbee in the woods"? because you CAN'T
Luke’s putts are not the problem he foot faults on just throwing from the fairway all the time
Go find a new hobby and cry somewhere else
Why Not rewrite the Step Putt Rule as the finishing or landing step shall land and finish behind the disc or mini maker while the player maintains balance behind that point throughout the flight of the putt. Just don't cross the same line a stand still abides.
You need to stop with the upward inflection at the end of sentances, it's almost unbearable to listen to.
Step putts should be banned from any distance
I agree.
but it's not a problem though
No
Go find a new hobby and cry somewhere else .
Why?
I don't get it why people is getting stuck on that Calvin didn't move the disc on purpose to "sabotage" for...the other Calvin. And therefore he shouldn't be penalized. I know that is what the rule says, but I think it's a "dumb" (in lack of a better word) way to interpret the rule. I'm pretty sure Calvin grabbed the disc on purpose with the (unconscious) intention to move it. It wasn't like it got stuck in his hand by a freak accident. That's the way I see the rule should be read and used. So, in conclusion, he should've got a penalty stroke. But I'm not a mean guy. I don't have anything against him and no harm was done. So, I don't mind the outcome. It's not like we follow all the other rules "religiously" either.
Gannon throw a disc OB and took so long trying to prove it was in bounds when it wasn’t. He is very immature
Pros don't call each other on anything. Nikko Locastro has been molasses slow for years and he still hasn't been called on his pace of play.
The excuse that other players are on the card is BS since they won't do anything about it. It's why the sport needs actual refs or spotters.
I heard an official in Europe once called Nikko for slow play. I hear he quietly apologized, excepted the penalty and continued on his way.
Go find a new hobby and cry somewhere else.
Haters gonna hate, show up and play him before you cry about his playing style
being slow isn't a "style"
@@zanierrules Winning and changing the game is his style
@@dylanunderpar He's winning, not sure if he's "changing" the game Lol
Gannon knows what he is doing, and intentionally abuses his card-mates by consistently exceeding the 30 second time limit.
He will claim otherwise (of course!), but it is inconceivable he doesn't know how long he is taking, and he should be called on it every time.
Every single person on tour knows EXACTLY how many seconds their normal routine takes. Without exception.
Step-putters (as opposed to the legal "putt-step!") also know what they are doing.
Chris Dickerson literally cheated his way to his USDGC victory, abusing the rule every single time he was outside the circle.
And famously (or rather "infamously") it was our friend Paul Ulibarri who was a constant falling putter for a couple of years, until he was given so much crap off the course, that he changed his action to be legal.
These things will ALWAYS be an issue, until such time as the TDs begin penalising not the infringing players, but rather issuing penalty strokes to the players who refuse to enforce the time or falling putt rules. Because it is very clear in the rules, that failing to enforce the rules is an infraction of the rules. And in this TD's view, failing to enforce the rules is a larger violation of the rules, than an "unintentional" falling put, or time violation.
I use quotes above, because we must always (in normal circumstances) give a player the benefit of the doubt, and that they have made a mistake, rather than tried to cheat.
It is truly baffling that any pro player doesn't instantly know that a player's lie unintentionally interfered with simply gets placed back where the group agrees it was - with no penalty. That is a fundamental rule in disc golf. It's the exact same scenario as if a dig picks up your disc and wanders off with it. Or a spectator picks a disc up.|
Edit: so-called "Marksman" baskets are the dumbest disc golf idea of all time. We already aim at the smallest target - a single chain link.
But, if you like seeing top pros repeatedly miss putts from 5-metres, then yeah - they're great.
Have a look at the horrendous Colorado event several years ago when they switched to Marksman baskets for the final round. It was an absolute disaster, and the worst thing I have ever seen in disc golf. A "Marksman" basket does not and can not make you a better putter. Period.
Go find a new hobby and cry somewhere else .
Its a pro tournament, thats a frustration accident,should be penalized! Hello
How far in front of his lie before actually releasing the throw. Stop the step putting already it shouldn't be allowed
Go find a new hobby and cry somewhere else
if their plant foot is still on the ground when they release the putt, it's all good. step putts are so hard to see at real time and even in slo mo. many of them look sketchy for sure
I know what the rule says, it shouldn't be legal. Rewrite the rule! You made my point for me. Too close to call, sometimes sketchy....rewrite the rule! If it was soooo legit why is it illegal at 29.5 feet but totally full go at 30 feet? Jumpers too stop. Pdga is joke scam who is only in it to rake fees off every event from every player
@@tattooedjohnson "that's like your opinion man"--the dude..30 feet doesn't work either. circle one is 10m, not yards
The Lonnquist incident shows that most people do not even know the rules for the "Organization" the spend money and play in... embarrassing.
I'm not claiming they know the rules but this scenario is alot more complicated than you think. Calvin did ¨intentionally¨move the disc, but the question is if they should rule on the intention of simply moving it, or the intention of knowingly moving heimburgs. disc. Basically if they should go with 810 A or 810 F, and they went with A in the end. This and because they play for thousands of dollars I don't blame them for wanting to be 100%, and neither should you.
The rule in effect is 810. A person cannot honestly say he did it with malicious intent, which is the reason for that rule. Yes, "picking it up" is intent, but not to affect another player.
As for people who make these judgment calls and think they are all wise, show they do not know the rules.. my favorite is the blade of grass. As a certified official, multiple A tier and premier tier events under my belt in 15 years, also a member of focus groups for previous rule committees, I have seen and dealt with the rules and the proposed "spirit" of the rules.
Just move C1 further back already.
45' minimum... people have requested/suggested that for years.
@@rodeo_cwboy I know I know, I'm hoping for something like that as well. Pros are getting better every year from C1 just move it back.
No
@@garnerthecube yes, C1 is a joke nowadays.
@@sylol200 why?
Luke's step putts are technically illegal, but so are Tattar's and just about everyone else at every level of disc golf. Probably should just clarify the rule to let people do it, too hard to manage otherwise. Are you calling that on someone on your card?
Luke, Tattar, and many other top level pros have been using this style for years. To say it’s illegal is just nonsense. Go find a new hobby and cry somewhere else.
Kat's feet were all over the place. The amount of foot faults in round 2 was insane that no one called them. I mean, look at the round 2 replay, hole 17 as a good example.
Round 2 hole 17? Don't see a problem. So I checked Round 3 hole 17, also don't see anything. Are you sure that's the right hole?
@@zanierrules this dude hates kat and bitched about her twice in another video, when she clearly did not foot fault either time
@@markmcgarity I think most people don't know what a foot fault is when it comes to step or jump putting. Or just putting in general Lol
@zanierrules yeah, round 2 on hole 17 at the 9-47 mark. If you zoom in, she was over the line clearly, toes and ball of the foot... She almost fell over.
@zanierrules This was her on the tee pad of 17, and I have been TD for many events and ran weekly events for 10 years, I know the rules. I just feel today's players are far to relaxed on rules. The rule 802.04 paragraph 2 states - the player is allowed to have a supporting point outside the teeing area before or after, but NOT at, the moment the disc is RELEASED. You can clearly see at the point of release her toes are over the line. she also followed through falling forward due to the ball of her foot being on that edge, and we all know that feeling
You can't tell the best player in the game to Change the way he does things, I think if you gave Gannon penaltys it would piss him off and he would play better and no one would even have a chance
Kristin hasn't been the same since she let the fans get in her head about jump putting. Also thank god Hailey lost. One of the few good things to come from the weekend.
take a look at gannon..then take a look at butthead from beavis n butthead...he looks just like him
Well Ricky should not be telling anything or saying anything about how a penalty Mr. Foot Fault champ himself.
If you whine about foot faults and the time of players it takes for them to take their next shot(while only watching disc golf online) it’s time for you to find a new hobby. Disc Golf does not want you apart of it anymore. 🤦🏻♂️
Go cry somewhere else
there are rules for EVERY game or sport, always have been. if you choose to not follow them, you get penalized. it's not rocket science
@@markmcgarity go find a new hobby cry baby. U know nothing of what really is happening from behind the screen of your device.
@@markmcgarityyou know nothing sitting watching from behind the screen of your device. Go find a new hobby
@@Shawizzlegaming LOL...been playing for 35 years and play almost daily you ASSuming twatwaffle
@@Shawizzlegaming yea troll boy, been playing and winning at disc golf for 35 years, $%^& you and your ASSumption
Reaching down and picking up a disc is 100% intentional. Slipping and falling and moving the disc in the process would be unintentional. Can't believe how ignorant your statement sounds. So if I miss a putt, I can say I didn't intend to though it there, so it was just a dropped disc and I get a free redo.
He did ¨intentionally¨ move the disc that's true but we both know he did not intentionally take heimburgs disc. Alot of rules are interpret by the group, and here they went with 810 Interference A instead of 810 interference F. You can always fake your intention about anything, but it's up to the group to interpret that intention. Your ¨So if I miss a putt¨ example is so stupid I don't even know what to say. You can try and make your case ofcourse but the group has to agree with you, and in your example they obviously won't.
Sounds like a rule 3.03.C.1... I'd love to be your TD.
You could say that, but no one would believe you, I would give you a courtesy warning for trying to cheat.
The intentional movement of someone else's disc does not have to be beneficial, nor malicious. just has to be intentional. Is your argument that he wasn't smart enough to know that wasn't his disc, so he doesn't get penalized; but if someone is smart enough to know which disc is their own, then they get penalized?
Go find a new hobby and cry somewhere else
Whats sad is Gannon probably never threw more than max 70% on a drive all week but wants the course easier, ok. What also is sad is how bad a majority of the tour seems to fade once they have a bad rd or 2. This yr the mpo looks like the FPO, its really Gannon and 4-5 other players every week who are playing like pros and the rest looking for the exit. CONSISTENCY it is a beautiful thing the tour needs to find from ALL.
what's really sad is newbs bitching about the best players in the world. if you think you can do better, get on it kid. you sit on your couch and talk about a bad round or 2, when a pro's bad round is better than your BEST round!