The Origins of the Wood Elves - 1:22 Wood Elf Religion - 10:56 The Great Betrayal - 16:18 Ariel's Corruption - 17:48 Relationship w/ Bretonnia - 24:00 WOOD ELF TACTICS - 26:20 LEGENDARY LORDS - 29:38 Wood Elves Mechanics in Total War Warhammer - 34:40 The Army Roster and Units! - 41:08
I would love if Athel Loren would be a map inside the map. Like made out of two provinces, but each province is made up of smaller provinces, which get accessable once you send an army inside. Inside the unit sizes would be smaller, to showcase how much of a maze the forest is, and to make it very difficult for foreign armies to seize it. Give a big boost for raiding parties though, to give armies reason to raid the forest, without trying to conquer it. This would make the WE focuse on clearing out intruders of their realm, making them very self centered and selfish. Give them also a debuff when sending armies outside the forest, like constant attrition to dryads and spirits to showcase the magic of the firest fading. Give them the option to conquer the world though, through something like "forest corruption", essentially havjng the forest expand, so goreign armies will dispatch troops to deal with WE troops who spread it. Make the entire faction fight and defend in small skirmish battles essentially, with smaller units and dpecial mission types, like "Hunt down the herd", "drive off dwarven lumberers". Would be unique and fun I think
That would be awesome, but the likely hood is slim, that does make more sense then anything. Hopefully they do that with the skaven the underway is its own map.
Micro Crysis the Skaven will definitely need an own map, I mean their whole gimmick is having a city beneath every big human settlement, how can you accomplish that without having a two layered map? Let's hope they don't make them another horde
I mean one example is with Karak eight peaks, that in its self would be an awesome separate campaign, with 3 factions multiple levels of underground and ground battlefield. Skarsnik, head taker and Belgar all going at each other I would be in love if they did something like that. And then they could work of the game mechanics from that.
I'm getting a real Princess Monoke vibe from this, which is awesome. The two factions of fae are certainly based on the seelie and unseelie courts in Celtic lore.
this is the dlc i'm most excited for, but also the one i'm most afraid of... because i can't really imagine CA putting in the huge amount of work that it would take to implement all the mechanics to do this faction justice.
Idk, they seem to have spent more time with this one. As because beastmen had the shortest gaps between DLC. But the wood elves still haven't been announced. So I bet they are taking more time with them!
Pls do a video like this for every new race before release, the lore and finding out about the wood elves makes me feel invested in them already, hope CA put the proper care and attention into this dlc
Great video! Total War Warhammer is my first taste of Warhammer lore and I can't get enough. Videos like this are perfect, thanks for taking the time to make it! I really hope CA does this race justice, they just might be my favorite race so far if implemented well
Thank you, I'm very glad you enjoyed it! I'm really looking forward to the Wood Elves as well, as you said if they're done their due justice, they will be incredibly unique and entertaining to play with
Hey Indy, really nice introduction to the wood elves and their lore. Haven´t been much exited about them so far...but man, you got me hooked. Keep up bringing interesting stuff like this!
IF CA actually implements at least the most important faction mechanics and manages to do wardancers, waywatchers + wild riders justice, i will pay pretty much any price for this dlc :P
Thx for making video - rly liked hearing about their history and war with Dwarves. I am also so exited about other factions I expect we will see quite early in 2017 for example Skaven, High Elves and Dark Elves.
I made it to the end! ;P ;P Nah but in all seriousness, as a person who has to travel 1 hour by train everyday, this video made the trip flew by! I absolutely felt in love with the wooden elves lore, really unique, keep up the good work.
I know this is a really old video, but I just found your channel a week ago or less, and have been steadily working my way back through most of them. Just felt like I had to say that I really want the Shadowdancer hero in the game, and I was really hoping for more agile animations for the Wardancers. Almost all of their animations, in my opinion, just end up with them spinning around like big leafy tops, rather than... dancing. Their Shadow Dances seem pretty bleh overall in my opinion too. The lack of agility there is kind of making me very worried for Death Hags/Witch Elves/Hellebron too. Really loved your idea of how to use the Worldroots though, would've loved that so much more than copy/paste Underway mechanic. Hope you're doing well.
Holy crap. Expected Wood elves in Warhammer to be the usual stereotypical rainbow and sunshine treehugging squirrel loving happy fairytale stuff. This was dark as fuck and amazingly presented / told. Fantastic job, subbed and now 100 x more hyped for wood elves!
Welcome to the channel, I'm glad you enjoyed it! And yeah, there's precious little in Warhammer that is rainbow and sunshine, its pretty much all grimdark and death ;P
Great video man, thanks for the effort put into it. I really hope that CA will deliver on this one, with proper mechanics and play style.. I don't mind paying for dlc's as long as the quality of the new contents is great, and I think they will have to prove it especially with the wood elves. Btw, for the archers it made me think of the good old monk bowmen of shogun 2, great unit and i think that missile balance was very well done in that game. For the seasons, I was thinking that maybe they will use something like the moon calendar of the beastmen. Let me know what you think about this
Its like listening to an audiobook... excellent job Milk+cookies! do you write your own lore video scripts or are you reading sections from Warhammer books?
I write my own scripts for each video but each lore section has a decent amount thats quite close to what the armybook says. The official armybooks are a great resource. I'm glad you like them!
Great video. I really love the Wood Elves and can't wait to play a campaign of them (especially when Bretonnia are released too so I can do a co-op game with a friend).
I spent a hour and a half reading the Warhammer Wikia of the "Great Catastrophe", honestly, I have never read anything so tragic or heroic when it comes to fantasy. Almost brings tears to my eyes man.
milkandcookiesTW Then I spent the next hour and 15 mins reading the beginning of the end times wikia, and barely made half-way through it. I read about Archaon and is journey to become The Everchosen, and how he started the beginning of the end times. How the skaven or the under-empire, taking over Talia, Estalia, the lizard-men of Itzu and other kingdoms falling to the horde of skaven, their leaders driven by the horned rats appearance, and the green moon sending warp-stone meteors towards the globe. Im now on the Accursed Alliance.
I really do hope Wood Elves end up as the next new playable race (and Bretonia with them!). They seem like they would use drastically different tactics, army compositions etc than any other faction currently in the game, bringing with them even more variety and interest to the game.
Love the lore of the old world. The end times although not satisfying on all aspects still its nice to see stories evolve how great it might be nothing should be forever
I really hope CA would implement even half of your suggestions, but at the same time my hopes are really low. I predict that seasons would be a simple event thing a-la Beastmen moon phases, without visual changes to the map. World roots idea is way more complicated than anything CA implemented so far. I think CA will make Wood Elves a half-horde faction with Athil Loren as a main hub with huge building chain, and self-sufficient armies that roam around the world. it's a cheap and easy to implement idea that also kinda works for Dark Elves wwith their Black Arks. Of course, i would like to have something more fleshed out than that.
With how much stuff they have planned for this trilogy it actually seems logical that the more that is added the more complex it will get. That way they can still streamline it for the young'ns who can learn the complexities slowly as the DLC's come out; or by starting with the base game and working their way through the DLC's after that if they jump in late. Seeing as how most teens and kids wouldn't be able to afford $100+ of DLC a year and a half from now I wouldn't worry about CA not adding complexity down the line if they have the work ethic for it. I feel the more worrying aspect is whether they will even have the desire to put in the work necessary for the complex mechanics many of these factions will require.
Hey Indy :) Unfortunately you've got your Sundering and War of Vengeance lore timelines mixed up. The Sundering happened well before the events of the War of Vengeance, and the events that caused it. Caledor, formerly Imrik (not to be confused with Caledor II - Imrik's son and ALSO not to be confused with Caledor Dragontamer - Imrik's Grandfather) was the Phoenix King during the time of the Sundering, after Bel Shanaar was assassinated by Malekith. The Dark Elf raids on Dwarven Caravans was close to 800 years later. Caledor died during this time (he actually drowned himself, to avoid capture by Malekith), and his arrogant son (Caledor II) become Phoenix King. It's also expected that during this time the former Dwarf High King Snorri Whitebeard (old friend to Malekith before he turned evil), died, and Gotrek Starbreaker became High King. The elves did indeed get called back at the end of the war with the Dwarves, but it was not for the Sundering, but a new invasion from Malekith entirely. (one that is not well documented mind you.) In essence The Sundering had very little if nothing 'directly' to do with the Wood Elves. Other than that point, you're pretty well on point. Loved this video. :)
A cool wardancer attack animation cold be like a reverse match combat animation. Where like the wardancers can vault off each other to execute charge animations
Thanks for these videos these are great for wh noobies like me. I got into wh fantasy thanks to total war and its cool to see all the lore behind the factions. It would be cool if you did an Empire lore video!
My belief is that we will be seeing Wood Elves (with 3 LL Lords) next w/ Life Wizard as FLC for the Empire. Followed by Starsnik v.s. Belegar Ironhammer Lord Pack (maybe Campaign!?) w/ Wurrzag FLC, and then followed up Morghur v.s. Ariel Campaign pack that will include Bretonnia as FLC (also playing a heavy roll in the DLC) in December. Lastly (maybe who knows I am just speculating) Markus v.s. Taurox Heroes v.s. Monsters DLC which will bring both of those characters as Lords (putting each faction besides Chaos and Dawi at 4) and a host of monsters and monster slayers and heroes. Things like (Savage) Orc Big Bosses, River Trolls, Wolf-Priests of Ulric, Wargor, Jabberslythe, Norscan Berserker, some chaos beast maybe the Vortex Beast, Dragon Slayer, Bolt Thrower, ect w/ Grey Wizard as FLC for the Empire. Now. Some people are gonna say, well they have said they won't make DLC for DLC, and that is true. However, that doesn't mean they can't sell the Beastmen or even Wood Elf Units again under another pack. Lets say I am right, and you buy a Markus v.s. Taurox then you're Beastmen would start in Talabecland and you would be unable to get Malagor or Khazrak without CotB, and the same would go for Ariel v.s. Morghur who might start... well anywhere he gets rebirthed all the time. Creepy bastard.
Rellana1 Gotrek is cool, but in Table Top we have no way of measuring his strength beyond him and Josef carrying a chair with the White Dwarf on top. Josef Bugman also his own unit on TT, and is measurable. If we see Legendary Heroes it's entirely possible we could see him, but as Lord no. He is totally not worth it, I don't even think the White Dwarf is a good LL pick.
I really want to like the dark elves, they look awesome and have great units, but I hate their lore, they just come across as pouty emo teenagers and I don't get how there civilisation would work, with murder not only being legal but a part of day to day society and the greatest act of worship. At least chaos dwarf lore works as a dread causing, industrial slaving civilisation with political intrigue, and dark God worship as there not trying to constantly kill each other.
One thing that bothers me ... im a big warhammer quest fan i have the old one with the first 3 monster levels complete. And now im working with silver tower and shadows over hammerhall and my favourite Character was the wardancer in the old and i made one for the new versions aswell with similar skills and abilities. But what did happen to them in the lore? Did they go down with the forest?
The war of the beard started AFTER the sundering. The dark elves already lost the war and settled in Naggaroth when they plotted to start it. What stopped the siege of Karaz a Karak is the first dark elf invasion of Ulthuan from Naggaroth.
milkandcookiesTW You're welcome. Very nice video anyway. I particularly like your idea of opening World Root "portals" with your spellsinger agents. That gives them a truly important place and makes the portal opening counterable which is a massive plus for gameplay. However I'm sure the AI won't be able to use that sensibly so... :/
pretty good video... you're always good to listen to ;) I disagree on one point though... I don't think forest corruption would be so bad. I'm not sure dlc are meant to implement new game mechanics each time... this would meant more development so more time and higher price for it... and I think they planned 3 different game extensions exactly for that ;) My guess is that they might re-use the corruption mechanics indeed but in a different way.. maybe won't affect other armies so badly and just slow them down and make it easier to ambush for elves or something... On my part, i'd love to expend Athel Loren and other forest on the old world to make a sweet green map ^^ Thx again, keep up the good work ;)
Thanks glad you enjoyed it! This next DLC seems like it will take at least a month and a half, possibly longer, before its ready to release. So I think they do have time to get a bit more creative than rehashing corruption mechanics for another race. New mechanics dont have to be complex to make a race feel different from others. And Wood Elves dont spread forest or corrupt things, its just not what they do as a race, so I'd prefer not to see it again. But we shall see soon!
u had very good ideas in this video concerning mechanics, i think they should really play differently both on the campaign map and on the battlefield, considering there is nothing like them yet in this game. I think a way for them to sell this with great depth would be to sell it, just like the beastmen dlc at a rather high price, but maybe do the vlad von carstein trick and add a free new lord to a faction for everyone, i think lore wise, this would work best if they were to make morgur skull master a new lord for beastmen. Beastmen can definitely use another lord and the connection to wood elves would be very strong, also he has no mounts and his model can be worked off of already existing beastmen, just like vlad. (and the fact that youre lord never really dies makes a lot of sense with him aswell :D)
more lords without mounts? hell no thats shid :( ( if malagor could use his wings for some flying or at least interrupting jumpability that would be very fine... but malagors wings are ... broke?.. or an illusion?) they could do so much with malagor ( y i know the animations would be a bit tricky...) but imagine a malagor that got the ability to jump in an infantry fight and knockdown everything around him, wouldnt that be cool? and legit... doe to his wings, which would have a reason to exist, finally
well having a lord without a mount doesnt nessecarily have to be bad, it just depends on how interesting the character is, vlad for example is quite boring imo, but if done right i think they could make morghur quite interesting.
Anthony Soprano right now all mountless lords rnt srsly used beside campagne Sigvald, vlad, grimgork Just the dwarfs are smt different, they got no mounts AT all.. :/ The missing mobility and chargedmg is too hugh right now They need to give them infantrylords some New mechanics
youre probably right about that, competetively mountless lords arent great atm. I think i just really enjoy that hed fit so well into the lore, different prioroties there i guess :D
Anthony Soprano i love vlad aswell the mountless lords are all best choice in campagne due to their abilitys, but vlad eg cant rly use his ultimate magic spell cous of missing mobility ( i use a mount mod for that) :D
thank you so much for the video. I really really enjoyed it. almost an hour passed incredibly quickly! your predictions were fucking spot on as well. any thoughts on the amber mechanic as apposed to the roots? I like your idea better tbh..
Thank you very much, really glad you enjoyed it :) For the amber mechanic, its not really supposed to replace the World Roots, they just didnt give them a movement mechanic really. Hopefully it comes later once the New World is added, hat would be a really cool way to get around the map. But the mechanics they did put in seem pretty cool, think itll be a very interesting campaign
***** They reskinned Underway and Beastpath movement and called it World Roots. I was hoping to be able to actually teleport to specific hubs around the world
I really don't know much about warhammer but seems like they would have some rich stores to read. do they have any book? if so can you suggest any, from the beginning to end.
There are many Warhammer Fantasy novels, but they arent in any particular order, as they are by many different authors and time periods. I recommend the novel Skarsnik, the Time of Legends series, the Malus Darkblade Omnibus, and the Nagash trilogy. Those are all quite good
Indie will we ever get more legendary lords? I love this faction but feel handicapped by both lords and their shocking expansion system (which I don't expect to change)
my hope remains that they will go back at some point for the older factions and release more content for them, either in DLC or FLC. but to be honest the Wood Elves have gotten more love than most, their army roster in TW Warhammer is as close to the corresponding armybook as any race has gotten. theyre in pretty good shape IMO, and there are tons of mods that change how they play significantly. Would be great to see the Sisters of Twilight or Drycha get added as a lord choice
Pre 8th edition elf lore is far superior to 8th edition lore. 6-7th edition are better written, though the 8th edition books do have the religious beliefs included. More over the top, bizzare events are in all the 8th edition elf books and they over did lore of some units, a high elf example being swordmasters went from being superior scholar warriors to those who can kill by whistling a note.... etc. Glad there are lore videos, hoping CA holds more to pre 8th lore for the elves. And let's not talk of the end times haha....
I've read the 8th edition book and I liked it, but I have heard it is shit compared to 6th. Could you explain what the big differences are between 6th and 8th editions lore wise for the wood elves. I agree that the elves especially seem to be just the best at everything.
You can find the stories and history in the army books online. I would normally say buy them but they killed the world and they are now technically obsolete so..... Or just go to the warhammer wiki
You can find the stories and history in the army books online. I would normally say buy them but they killed the world and they are now technically obsolete so..... Or just go to the warhammer wiki
honest question, why do you keep asuming ca. is going to just reskin or fuck up this dlc somehow,? i mean they have come a loooong way from what they used to do
The forest began the long process of healing, Ariel realized her mistakes and allowed Orion to be reborn. Wood Elf society moved on from those dark days, and continued their millenia long existence. In the End Times, Malekith the Witch King becomes the true Phoenix King, uniting the Dark Elves, High Elves, and Wood Elves against Chaos, and after losing Naggaroth to a Khorne Daemon Invasion, sets up his new base in Athel Loren. All the remaining Elves band together to fight Archaon in Middenheim, and then the world is consumed when a Chaotic portal is opened under the city and Chaos wins. Everyone important gets teleported to Age of Sigmar, and Warhammer fantasy battle ends forever. Lileath the Wood Elf Goddess is I believe the Goddess responsible for creating Age of Sigmar, or at least plays a big part, because she realizes the world is doomed and sends Araloth and some other major characters through a portal to the new universe to start setting up.
If they want Welves to be expansive the Asrai lord would have to be Ariel rather than Sleepy head Orion as I don't recall him ever leaving the forest. As for a Forrest Spirit lord, Drycha was the one who used the world roots the most to go and rob various relics or just to murder a few humans. But CA and actual Lore ?
Orion is the King in the Woods who always leads the Elves on the Wild Hunt, which is when the Wood Elves leave Athel Loren on crusade to go kill stuff. So he leaves the forest every year in midsummer
milkandcookiesTW Sry I meant to fight or help Bretonnia etc, was not very clear, as far as I have read he only skirted around the forest midsummer being a pest but may have missed him actually doing anything useful ; )
She's incognito in 8th edition. These videos tie in to TW Warhammer and use evidence of whats already happened with other factions to try and gauge how they will be implemented in the game. She has no updated model and cant be brought as a Lord character in 8th, so I said having Orion and Durthu as the starting 2 legendary lords makes a lot of sense. I did say Araloth has a chance because he's playable in 8th, but I'm glad they didnt go for him, he's really boring. Hopefully we get Ariel at some point, but no guarantees
i hope so, aside from her bitch phase which i'd much rather pretend didn't happen i really like her character. can't wait till dark elves are out so i can properly crush that dark elf bitch instead of accepting some shit deal.
I paid almost $20 for the beastment. I like them and everything but there wasn't many units for what I paid for. I hope future DLC won't be like this. I feel like it isn't worth the price
Watching this after the twisted and the Twilight dropped and I just got to say really disappointed with how Creative Assembly handled their entire race, by that I mean the wood elves
I want to be able to cover the entire map in forest! Something like raze a settlement and then spreading world roots into the area to raise a forest or something... :P I like trees... *Edit* I would also love for WE Cav and infantry to travel at normal speed through forests and trees, because.. you know... Wood Elves!
I can almost guarantee that the Wild Hunt will be another reskinned WAAAGH mechanic. They've demonstrated that if they see an opportunity to re-use assets and mechanics then they will do it, unfortunately.
Honestly I'm not all that excited for the Wood Elves. I'm not fond of factions that require an overabundance of micromanagement (i.e. cavalry-heavy factions), so I suspect that my playtime with them will be fairly short-lived. Who knows though, I thought I'd hate playing Chaos too.
Ooh I love playing with cavalry based factions and ones that require good micro to do well with. Very satisfying and rewarding when you're able to pick apart an opponent from range and with surgical cavalry strikes. If CA does them justice I think they'll be really rewarding to play
in older tabletop versions they had a special ability called "Timbeerrr!", when they fell you placed a dead treeman marker in in a random direction from where he fell, then everyone under the marker had to take a iniative(quickness) test or be Instantly killed!
All magic comes from the Warp, but I'm not sure all magic is Chaos. Chaos is itself corrupting and evil. So when magic is used by Elven Gods or others for good, I dont think that can really be considered Chaotic. Its not like a Bright Wizard who uses his powers alot automatically warps into a follower of the Chaos Gods
milkandcookiesTW both are true... the warp is where magic winds come from, but its also where chaos gods live... the entire age of sigmar takes place in the warp, it is a realm made by sigmar (a god who also lives inside the warp), after the warp destroys the real world... the only way to destroy the chaos gods is to destroy the warp and get rid of magic... magic = warp, and a bright wizard is changed by the fire winds, so he kinda is a human warped slightly by the warp, we don't have to call it chaos but it is the same thing to me :P
wildboy789789 The warp predates the chaos gods though. They are simply the most powerful denizens of the warp. It is far too simplistic to say all magic = chaos since magic comes from the Warp.
Greenies wont lay a finger, Wood Elves too fast you wont even see them coming, and they'll be gone before you know it, leaving a mountain of your fungus dead
Even though they are not Dwarfs wood elves are at least moderately more tolerable than those fruity high elves with their noses in the air. Still if they were reasonable they would at least agree to sell the Dwarfs some logging rights to Athel Loren. I'm just saying Dwarfs need their timber yo. I also have to question whether or not the flame cannon had been invented at the point when the last conflict was taking place. If these shaky forest eves do come around to cause some kind of beef with the good people of the mountans again oh boy let me tell you they may have another thang comin.
honestly, how u describe how u want the wood elves to be in campagne... thats impossible teleporting armies? have u ever thought about MP campagne once while making this video? and why shouldnt elves be able to capture human cities? thats even neccessary, because otherwise the wood elves cant do a shid on campagne map cous there wont be anough cities to capture for them you are ways too lore'ish.... cant make the game 100% lore dude... that wouldnt be fun at all.. edit: i have 2 be faire, overall its a nice video, nice historypart, not boring good work ( just the describing of the campagne couldnt work for MP campagns)
#1. Creative Assembly doesnt really give a shit about multiplayer campaigns and never have. Their balancing of factions does not revolve around MPC in the slightest. Which is a shame of course because I would love for MPC to get more content, but even more than regular Multiplayer its definitely on the backburner in terms of priorities over at CA. #2. I think you might have missed big parts of my arguments. Remember how I said you'd have to deploy a Spellweaver in a region for 5-10 turns to bring the World Roots online in that location? That gives an opponent plenty of time to deal with the Wood Elf agent, or set up an ambush at the site. There are additional ways they could balance it. As for taking cities, I also covered that pretty thoroughly in the video. Wood Elves dont have to be an expansionist race, they dont have to be about building an empire. By tying the Wood Elf economy to the world roots and bringing them back online, you wouldnt need to occupy settlements to build your economy. The Wild Hunt and World Roots mechanics, when tied into Objectives that encouraged you to attack different factions throughout the Warhammer world, would give you reason to explore and raze/sack different cities, and make for a really unique and fun playstyle I think, that isnt tied to Regional Occupation at all. You certainly dont have to agree. In contrast to your opinion, I actually care much more about having entertaining gameplay than about the lore. I think my ideas in this video would make for a very fun campaign first and foremost, and happen to tie in to the Warhammer lore very well, which is what a Warhammer game should strive for. Whether CA could or even wants to implement any of those ideas is a different matter entirely. But ultimately, What would you rather have? A truly unique race with a truly unique playstyle that isnt like any other faction in the game, or one that is perfectly balanced for an MPC campaign but regurgitates the same mechanics from Orcs and Beastmen? I know which one I'd choose.
milkandcookiesTW i did not not agree with ur opinion about rehashing like orcs n beastman U r totaly right with that I didnt agree with the campagnemechanics you offered The teleporting of armys just seems too op, beastman and dwarfen-orcish movement is alrdy very powerfull on campagne That d be 2 much in my opinion
Wood Elves don't fight fair in battle, because their enemies don't fight fair either. When your enemy's intention is to burn your home down, kill or enslave your people, fighting fair is the last thing you want.
The Origins of the Wood Elves - 1:22
Wood Elf Religion - 10:56
The Great Betrayal - 16:18
Ariel's Corruption - 17:48
Relationship w/ Bretonnia - 24:00
WOOD ELF TACTICS - 26:20
LEGENDARY LORDS - 29:38
Wood Elves Mechanics in Total War Warhammer - 34:40
The Army Roster and Units! - 41:08
Thicc Elf cheeks twerked on Indy's back. 41:44
It's really fun going back to your videos after the races have been released and given additional content. You really were way ahead of everything!
I would love if Athel Loren would be a map inside the map. Like made out of two provinces, but each province is made up of smaller provinces, which get accessable once you send an army inside. Inside the unit sizes would be smaller, to showcase how much of a maze the forest is, and to make it very difficult for foreign armies to seize it. Give a big boost for raiding parties though, to give armies reason to raid the forest, without trying to conquer it. This would make the WE focuse on clearing out intruders of their realm, making them very self centered and selfish. Give them also a debuff when sending armies outside the forest, like constant attrition to dryads and spirits to showcase the magic of the firest fading. Give them the option to conquer the world though, through something like "forest corruption", essentially havjng the forest expand, so goreign armies will dispatch troops to deal with WE troops who spread it. Make the entire faction fight and defend in small skirmish battles essentially, with smaller units and dpecial mission types, like "Hunt down the herd", "drive off dwarven lumberers". Would be unique and fun I think
Thestre mechanic good ides
That would be awesome, but the likely hood is slim, that does make more sense then anything. Hopefully they do that with the skaven the underway is its own map.
Micro Crysis the Skaven will definitely need an own map, I mean their whole gimmick is having a city beneath every big human settlement, how can you accomplish that without having a two layered map? Let's hope they don't make them another horde
I mean one example is with Karak eight peaks, that in its self would be an awesome separate campaign, with 3 factions multiple levels of underground and ground battlefield. Skarsnik, head taker and Belgar all going at each other I would be in love if they did something like that. And then they could work of the game mechanics from that.
I think they will get an own minicampagn against the beastmen and the bretonians
I'm getting a real Princess Monoke vibe from this, which is awesome. The two factions of fae are certainly based on the seelie and unseelie courts in Celtic lore.
indy dude this is really impressive keep it up.
Thanks man!
There are trees.....EVERYWHEEEEEEERE. NO NOT THE TREES!
A treeeeeeee killed you, a TREEEEEEEEEEEEH!
"WHOA! WHAT IS THAT THI-" Empire soldier seeing Lizardman for the first time
this is the dlc i'm most excited for, but also the one i'm most afraid of... because i can't really imagine CA putting in the huge amount of work that it would take to implement all the mechanics to do this faction justice.
Idk, they seem to have spent more time with this one. As because beastmen had the shortest gaps between DLC. But the wood elves still haven't been announced. So I bet they are taking more time with them!
Their DLC sales have been pretty good recently, so I hope they've realized that and put in the extra effort to make this the best dlc to date.
well, i sure hope you're right :)
Pls do a video like this for every new race before release, the lore and finding out about the wood elves makes me feel invested in them already, hope CA put the proper care and attention into this dlc
Glad you enjoyed it Ben, I hope so too!
Great video! Total War Warhammer is my first taste of Warhammer lore and I can't get enough. Videos like this are perfect, thanks for taking the time to make it! I really hope CA does this race justice, they just might be my favorite race so far if implemented well
Thank you, I'm very glad you enjoyed it! I'm really looking forward to the Wood Elves as well, as you said if they're done their due justice, they will be incredibly unique and entertaining to play with
+1 as a newcomer to Warhammer universe these lore videos are the tits! can't wait for the next one :D
The brettonians can't stop the Wild Hunt? Why didn't they just call geralt? Get it...
A-anyone...?
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Sorry, wrong world.
Hey Indy, really nice introduction to the wood elves and their lore. Haven´t been much exited about them so far...but man, you got me hooked. Keep up bringing interesting stuff like this!
Will do glad you enjoyed it!
Great vid man, you have a really good flow in your storytelling. Great analysis and knowledge overall, 10/10 would watch again!
Thank you glad you enjoyed it!
IF CA actually implements at least the most important faction mechanics and manages to do wardancers, waywatchers + wild riders justice, i will pay pretty much any price for this dlc :P
Thx for making video - rly liked hearing about their history and war with Dwarves. I am also so exited about other factions I expect we will see quite early in 2017 for example Skaven, High Elves and Dark Elves.
Glad you liked it!
I made it to the end! ;P ;P
Nah but in all seriousness, as a person who has to travel 1 hour by train everyday, this video made the trip flew by! I absolutely felt in love with the wooden elves lore, really unique, keep up the good work.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
You are very welcome :)
I'm already looking forward to the other faction overviews!
FANTASTIC VIDEO!!!! This was so well made, I WANT MORE XD. Can you make a Chaos Warriors tactics next, or in the future?
Probably wont do any of the factions that are currently in the game anytime soon, but definitely wont rule them out. Glad you enjoyed it!
I know this is a really old video, but I just found your channel a week ago or less, and have been steadily working my way back through most of them. Just felt like I had to say that I really want the Shadowdancer hero in the game, and I was really hoping for more agile animations for the Wardancers. Almost all of their animations, in my opinion, just end up with them spinning around like big leafy tops, rather than... dancing. Their Shadow Dances seem pretty bleh overall in my opinion too. The lack of agility there is kind of making me very worried for Death Hags/Witch Elves/Hellebron too. Really loved your idea of how to use the Worldroots though, would've loved that so much more than copy/paste Underway mechanic. Hope you're doing well.
love your lore vids Indy. always have since ur call of Warhammer mod lore speeches.
Great informative vid, thanks!
"No reskinned race mechanics this time round"... HEAR HEAR!
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome man!!!!! Thanks so much. Can't wait for these to come out
Holy crap. Expected Wood elves in Warhammer to be the usual stereotypical rainbow and sunshine treehugging squirrel loving happy fairytale stuff. This was dark as fuck and amazingly presented / told. Fantastic job, subbed and now 100 x more hyped for wood elves!
Welcome to the channel, I'm glad you enjoyed it! And yeah, there's precious little in Warhammer that is rainbow and sunshine, its pretty much all grimdark and death ;P
Great video man, thanks for the effort put into it. I really hope that CA will deliver on this one, with proper mechanics and play style..
I don't mind paying for dlc's as long as the quality of the new contents is great, and I think they will have to prove it especially with the wood elves.
Btw, for the archers it made me think of the good old monk bowmen of shogun 2, great unit and i think that missile balance was very well done in that game.
For the seasons, I was thinking that maybe they will use something like the moon calendar of the beastmen.
Let me know what you think about this
Do more of these for other upcoming factions please!! You did an amazing job
Its like listening to an audiobook... excellent job Milk+cookies! do you write your own lore video scripts or are you reading sections from Warhammer books?
I write my own scripts for each video but each lore section has a decent amount thats quite close to what the armybook says. The official armybooks are a great resource. I'm glad you like them!
Great video. I really love the Wood Elves and can't wait to play a campaign of them (especially when Bretonnia are released too so I can do a co-op game with a friend).
Yeah I bet that coop campaign could be really fun with Bretonnia. I'm happy you liked it!
I spent a hour and a half reading the Warhammer Wikia of the "Great Catastrophe", honestly, I have never read anything so tragic or heroic when it comes to fantasy. Almost brings tears to my eyes man.
Warhammer lore is pretty amazing
milkandcookiesTW Then I spent the next hour and 15 mins reading the beginning of the end times wikia, and barely made half-way through it. I read about Archaon and is journey to become The Everchosen, and how he started the beginning of the end times. How the skaven or the under-empire, taking over Talia, Estalia, the lizard-men of Itzu and other kingdoms falling to the horde of skaven, their leaders driven by the horned rats appearance, and the green moon sending warp-stone meteors towards the globe. Im now on the Accursed Alliance.
I recognize one of the background soundtracks its the legend of spyro main theme- I loved the music and art design of that series.
Yep Valley of Avalar! Great music
I really do hope Wood Elves end up as the next new playable race (and Bretonia with them!). They seem like they would use drastically different tactics, army compositions etc than any other faction currently in the game, bringing with them even more variety and interest to the game.
Seasonal changes would be absolutely epic
Love the lore of the old world. The end times although not satisfying on all aspects still its nice to see stories evolve how great it might be nothing should be forever
I really hope CA would implement even half of your suggestions, but at the same time my hopes are really low. I predict that seasons would be a simple event thing a-la Beastmen moon phases, without visual changes to the map. World roots idea is way more complicated than anything CA implemented so far. I think CA will make Wood Elves a half-horde faction with Athil Loren as a main hub with huge building chain, and self-sufficient armies that roam around the world. it's a cheap and easy to implement idea that also kinda works for Dark Elves wwith their Black Arks. Of course, i would like to have something more fleshed out than that.
With how much stuff they have planned for this trilogy it actually seems logical that the more that is added the more complex it will get.
That way they can still streamline it for the young'ns who can learn the complexities slowly as the DLC's come out; or by starting with the base game and working their way through the DLC's after that if they jump in late. Seeing as how most teens and kids wouldn't be able to afford $100+ of DLC a year and a half from now I wouldn't worry about CA not adding complexity down the line if they have the work ethic for it.
I feel the more worrying aspect is whether they will even have the desire to put in the work necessary for the complex mechanics many of these factions will require.
Hey Indy :)
Unfortunately you've got your Sundering and War of Vengeance lore timelines mixed up.
The Sundering happened well before the events of the War of Vengeance, and the events that caused it.
Caledor, formerly Imrik (not to be confused with Caledor II - Imrik's son and ALSO not to be confused with Caledor Dragontamer - Imrik's Grandfather) was the Phoenix King during the time of the Sundering, after Bel Shanaar was assassinated by Malekith.
The Dark Elf raids on Dwarven Caravans was close to 800 years later. Caledor died during this time (he actually drowned himself, to avoid capture by Malekith), and his arrogant son (Caledor II) become Phoenix King. It's also expected that during this time the former Dwarf High King Snorri Whitebeard (old friend to Malekith before he turned evil), died, and Gotrek Starbreaker became High King.
The elves did indeed get called back at the end of the war with the Dwarves, but it was not for the Sundering, but a new invasion from Malekith entirely. (one that is not well documented mind you.)
In essence The Sundering had very little if nothing 'directly' to do with the Wood Elves.
Other than that point, you're pretty well on point.
Loved this video. :)
You are right I should have gotten that right, thats a big part of the lore. Thanks for pointing that out! Glad you enjoyed it regardless
There mages also get Dark and High from the dark elves and high elves, so they have 10 spell lists.
A cool wardancer attack animation cold be like a reverse match combat animation. Where like the wardancers can vault off each other to execute charge animations
That would be sweet!
When they come out do Tomb Kings! Also Settra approves this video!
Yeah I think that would be a good time. Settra Rules!
They recently did.
Thanks for these videos these are great for wh noobies like me. I got into wh fantasy thanks to total war and its cool to see all the lore behind the factions. It would be cool if you did an Empire lore video!
My belief is that we will be seeing Wood Elves (with 3 LL Lords) next w/ Life Wizard as FLC for the Empire. Followed by Starsnik v.s. Belegar Ironhammer Lord Pack (maybe Campaign!?) w/ Wurrzag FLC, and then followed up Morghur v.s. Ariel Campaign pack that will include Bretonnia as FLC (also playing a heavy roll in the DLC) in December. Lastly (maybe who knows I am just speculating) Markus v.s. Taurox Heroes v.s. Monsters DLC which will bring both of those characters as Lords (putting each faction besides Chaos and Dawi at 4) and a host of monsters and monster slayers and heroes. Things like (Savage) Orc Big Bosses, River Trolls, Wolf-Priests of Ulric, Wargor, Jabberslythe, Norscan Berserker, some chaos beast maybe the Vortex Beast, Dragon Slayer, Bolt Thrower, ect w/ Grey Wizard as FLC for the Empire.
Now. Some people are gonna say, well they have said they won't make DLC for DLC, and that is true. However, that doesn't mean they can't sell the Beastmen or even Wood Elf Units again under another pack. Lets say I am right, and you buy a Markus v.s. Taurox then you're Beastmen would start in Talabecland and you would be unable to get Malagor or Khazrak without CotB, and the same would go for Ariel v.s. Morghur who might start... well anywhere he gets rebirthed all the time. Creepy bastard.
I'm really hoping they they include Gotrek Gurnisson as DLC at some point.
Rellana1 Why he isn't even a hero in TT, and he is pretty OP.
Rhinopotamus
But he is part of the lore,like Bugman's Rangers. Even if it's only for single player I'd still like to have the option of using him.
Rellana1 Gotrek is cool, but in Table Top we have no way of measuring his strength beyond him and Josef carrying a chair with the White Dwarf on top. Josef Bugman also his own unit on TT, and is measurable. If we see Legendary Heroes it's entirely possible we could see him, but as Lord no. He is totally not worth it, I don't even think the White Dwarf is a good LL pick.
+Rhinopotamus he was a TT character in the dogs of war roster with Felix
Yo Indy, based on the times the previous DLC came out, what are your exact predictions for when the Wood Elves will be released (or announced)?
I can see them implementing the seasons even if they don't have it effect every faction like how the moon works for the beast men 😊
Yeah that seems pretty likely
great vid brilliantly put together great series want more on earlier lore would be brilliant as a newcomer to warhammer in general top marks!
awesome analysis . Can't wait for dark elves!
I really want to like the dark elves, they look awesome and have great units, but I hate their lore, they just come across as pouty emo teenagers and I don't get how there civilisation would work, with murder not only being legal but a part of day to day society and the greatest act of worship. At least chaos dwarf lore works as a dread causing, industrial slaving civilisation with political intrigue, and dark God worship as there not trying to constantly kill each other.
their new lore is cool. with the giant elf war at the end tinmes.
I prefer the old lore, when Ariel and Orion were equals, and there was none of that corruption of Ariel business.
whats the background music you used for this vid?
Valley of Avalar from Legend of Spyro, and an Eldar theme from Dawn of War II. Pretty good right? ;)
One thing that bothers me ... im a big warhammer quest fan i have the old one with the first 3 monster levels complete. And now im working with silver tower and shadows over hammerhall and my favourite Character was the wardancer in the old and i made one for the new versions aswell with similar skills and abilities. But what did happen to them in the lore? Did they go down with the forest?
The war of the beard started AFTER the sundering. The dark elves already lost the war and settled in Naggaroth when they plotted to start it. What stopped the siege of Karaz a Karak is the first dark elf invasion of Ulthuan from Naggaroth.
You are right, I got the timeline confused, thanks for pointing that out!
milkandcookiesTW You're welcome. Very nice video anyway.
I particularly like your idea of opening World Root "portals" with your spellsinger agents. That gives them a truly important place and makes the portal opening counterable which is a massive plus for gameplay. However I'm sure the AI won't be able to use that sensibly so... :/
Nice, this is "arch level" depth of lore, really great video.
Really glad you liked it, thanks for the kind words
The wood elves ar one of my fav race of the fantasy world
pretty good video... you're always good to listen to ;)
I disagree on one point though... I don't think forest corruption would be so bad.
I'm not sure dlc are meant to implement new game mechanics each time... this would meant more development so more time and higher price for it... and I think they planned 3 different game extensions exactly for that ;)
My guess is that they might re-use the corruption mechanics indeed but in a different way.. maybe won't affect other armies so badly and just slow them down and make it easier to ambush for elves or something...
On my part, i'd love to expend Athel Loren and other forest on the old world to make a sweet green map ^^
Thx again, keep up the good work ;)
Thanks glad you enjoyed it! This next DLC seems like it will take at least a month and a half, possibly longer, before its ready to release. So I think they do have time to get a bit more creative than rehashing corruption mechanics for another race. New mechanics dont have to be complex to make a race feel different from others. And Wood Elves dont spread forest or corrupt things, its just not what they do as a race, so I'd prefer not to see it again. But we shall see soon!
Made it thru and loved it
Congrats, very glad you liked it! Hopefully videos like this are helpful for people trying to get into the universe and its wonderful lore
Absolutly! ^^ Keep up the good work
Fantastic video!
Thanks Ian!
illl be on to d our when ever i get my my steam situation solved. metaldisipal.
battle
ps drinking cant type right
milkandcookiesTW When you spoke of Durthu you brought a tear to my eye. The Warhammer universe has amazing lore and you presented it very well!
Thank you very much, I'm glad you enjoyed it! It really does have amazing lore
Where do you get the music you use, good sir? I neeeeeeeeed it.
Valley of Avalar - Legend of Spyro, and Dawn of War 2 Khaine's Wrath!
milkandcookiesTW Thank you! 😁
u had very good ideas in this video concerning mechanics, i think they should really play differently both on the campaign map and on the battlefield, considering there is nothing like them yet in this game.
I think a way for them to sell this with great depth would be to sell it, just like the beastmen dlc at a rather high price, but maybe do the vlad von carstein trick and add a free new lord to a faction for everyone, i think lore wise, this would work best if they were to make morgur skull master a new lord for beastmen. Beastmen can definitely use another lord and the connection to wood elves would be very strong, also he has no mounts and his model can be worked off of already existing beastmen, just like vlad. (and the fact that youre lord never really dies makes a lot of sense with him aswell :D)
more lords without mounts? hell no thats shid :(
( if malagor could use his wings for some flying or at least interrupting jumpability that would be very fine... but malagors wings are ... broke?.. or an illusion?) they could do so much with malagor ( y i know the animations would be a bit tricky...) but imagine a malagor that got the ability to jump in an infantry fight and knockdown everything around him, wouldnt that be cool? and legit... doe to his wings, which would have a reason to exist, finally
well having a lord without a mount doesnt nessecarily have to be bad, it just depends on how interesting the character is, vlad for example is quite boring imo, but if done right i think they could make morghur quite interesting.
Anthony Soprano right now all mountless lords rnt srsly used beside campagne
Sigvald, vlad, grimgork
Just the dwarfs are smt different, they got no mounts AT all.. :/
The missing mobility and chargedmg is too hugh right now
They need to give them infantrylords some New mechanics
youre probably right about that, competetively mountless lords arent great atm. I think i just really enjoy that hed fit so well into the lore, different prioroties there i guess :D
Anthony Soprano i love vlad aswell
the mountless lords are all best choice in campagne due to their abilitys, but vlad eg cant rly use his ultimate magic spell cous of missing mobility ( i use a mount mod for that) :D
yes need more of these videos
thank you so much for the video. I really really enjoyed it. almost an hour passed incredibly quickly! your predictions were fucking spot on as well. any thoughts on the amber mechanic as apposed to the roots? I like your idea better tbh..
Thank you very much, really glad you enjoyed it :) For the amber mechanic, its not really supposed to replace the World Roots, they just didnt give them a movement mechanic really. Hopefully it comes later once the New World is added, hat would be a really cool way to get around the map. But the mechanics they did put in seem pretty cool, think itll be a very interesting campaign
milkandcookiesTW Thanks for the reply, looking forward to seeing you stomp with them ^-^ cheers!
world roots fast travel confirmed :O
***** They reskinned Underway and Beastpath movement and called it World Roots. I was hoping to be able to actually teleport to specific hubs around the world
yeah another rehashing is a bit disappointing. At the very least hub locations would have made it more unique/varied.
I really don't know much about warhammer but seems like they would have some rich stores to read. do they have any book? if so can you suggest any, from the beginning to end.
There are many Warhammer Fantasy novels, but they arent in any particular order, as they are by many different authors and time periods. I recommend the novel Skarsnik, the Time of Legends series, the Malus Darkblade Omnibus, and the Nagash trilogy. Those are all quite good
Thanks a lot, really just want a good read. Thanks for the help.
Jonathan Quintana Sure thing. If you like sci-fi or Warhammer 40k, check out the Eisenhorn Omnibus. Best set of Warhammer novels I've read
I played a few games of warhammer 40k, I will give them a shot, I just like fantasy a little more.
so what do you think about the dlc now that it's released
Great videos bro!!
Thank you!
is the HE champion or WE champion that have dad "ballista" bow
also i thing thad waywatcher will be hero chose
Great video! Um, yeah, that's it. I dearly hope CA will do right by the asrai.
im willing to wait as long as CA gives us full unit roster
Indie will we ever get more legendary lords? I love this faction but feel handicapped by both lords and their shocking expansion system (which I don't expect to change)
my hope remains that they will go back at some point for the older factions and release more content for them, either in DLC or FLC. but to be honest the Wood Elves have gotten more love than most, their army roster in TW Warhammer is as close to the corresponding armybook as any race has gotten. theyre in pretty good shape IMO, and there are tons of mods that change how they play significantly. Would be great to see the Sisters of Twilight or Drycha get added as a lord choice
Pre 8th edition elf lore is far superior to 8th edition lore. 6-7th edition are better written, though the 8th edition books do have the religious beliefs included. More over the top, bizzare events are in all the 8th edition elf books and they over did lore of some units, a high elf example being swordmasters went from being superior scholar warriors to those who can kill by whistling a note.... etc. Glad there are lore videos, hoping CA holds more to pre 8th lore for the elves. And let's not talk of the end times haha....
I've read the 8th edition book and I liked it, but I have heard it is shit compared to 6th. Could you explain what the big differences are between 6th and 8th editions lore wise for the wood elves. I agree that the elves especially seem to be just the best at everything.
hey, can you tell me where can I read warhemer storys. loved this. :)
You can find the stories and history in the army books online. I would normally say buy them but they killed the world and they are now technically obsolete so..... Or just go to the warhammer wiki
You can find the stories and history in the army books online. I would normally say buy them but they killed the world and they are now technically obsolete so..... Or just go to the warhammer wiki
If you know nothing about Warhammer what would you do to learn about it and its universe?
honest question, why do you keep asuming ca. is going to just reskin or fuck up this dlc somehow,? i mean they have come a loooong way from what they used to do
btw , i LOVE these videos, This is my main source of learning Warhammer lore. I personally like to listen to lore rather than read it
nice job! *thumbs up*
Thanks :)
Very awesome video. A bit sad at the glossing over of wildwood rangers.
That spyro music in the backround. Pls
Oooooh its so good tho
I know. I was saying pls for nostalgia.
yeah the nostalgia is real. I was actually surprised you put that music in here..
Nice info man. Didnt know that much can be said >]
Warhammer lore is pretty deep and interesting I think!
Could have world roots being a special kind of almost razed settlement that only the wood elves can settle?
I could see that working yeah, instead of strictly razing a settlement you bring the World Roots online in that location
about Ariel corruption, what happened after ancient tree took all of her evil and died?
The forest began the long process of healing, Ariel realized her mistakes and allowed Orion to be reborn. Wood Elf society moved on from those dark days, and continued their millenia long existence. In the End Times, Malekith the Witch King becomes the true Phoenix King, uniting the Dark Elves, High Elves, and Wood Elves against Chaos, and after losing Naggaroth to a Khorne Daemon Invasion, sets up his new base in Athel Loren. All the remaining Elves band together to fight Archaon in Middenheim, and then the world is consumed when a Chaotic portal is opened under the city and Chaos wins. Everyone important gets teleported to Age of Sigmar, and Warhammer fantasy battle ends forever. Lileath the Wood Elf Goddess is I believe the Goddess responsible for creating Age of Sigmar, or at least plays a big part, because she realizes the world is doomed and sends Araloth and some other major characters through a portal to the new universe to start setting up.
And all resulting from Games Workshops terrible, anti-consumer business decisions.
Amazing
Ogres next please
If they want Welves to be expansive the Asrai lord would have to be Ariel rather than Sleepy head Orion as I don't recall him ever leaving the forest. As for a Forrest Spirit lord, Drycha was the one who used the world roots the most to go and rob various relics or just to murder a few humans. But CA and actual Lore ?
Orion is the King in the Woods who always leads the Elves on the Wild Hunt, which is when the Wood Elves leave Athel Loren on crusade to go kill stuff. So he leaves the forest every year in midsummer
milkandcookiesTW Sry I meant to fight or help Bretonnia etc, was not very clear, as far as I have read he only skirted around the forest midsummer being a pest but may have missed him actually doing anything useful ; )
why would you say ariel's champion should be a legendary lord over ariel herself?
She's incognito in 8th edition. These videos tie in to TW Warhammer and use evidence of whats already happened with other factions to try and gauge how they will be implemented in the game. She has no updated model and cant be brought as a Lord character in 8th, so I said having Orion and Durthu as the starting 2 legendary lords makes a lot of sense. I did say Araloth has a chance because he's playable in 8th, but I'm glad they didnt go for him, he's really boring. Hopefully we get Ariel at some point, but no guarantees
i hope so, aside from her bitch phase which i'd much rather pretend didn't happen i really like her character. can't wait till dark elves are out so i can properly crush that dark elf bitch instead of accepting some shit deal.
I paid almost $20 for the beastment. I like them and everything but there wasn't many units for what I paid for. I hope future DLC won't be like this. I feel like it isn't worth the price
The wood elves are taking a while to come out so they might be takin their time with this one.
actully if you pay attention to the release dates, the blood dlc was the longest period of no dlc. so their still two weeks away from announcing.
Watching this after the twisted and the Twilight dropped and I just got to say really disappointed with how Creative Assembly handled their entire race, by that I mean the wood elves
hmm, I quite like how they were implemented now, after the Twisted and Twilight patch. what do you not like about them?
Can wee have a video like this for my Tomb Kings pls?
The sanctaty of their sacred wood? :-D
Does anyone buy chance know the music used in this video?
Valley of Avalar from Legend of Spyro and Eldar theme from Dawn of War 2
I want to be able to cover the entire map in forest! Something like raze a settlement and then spreading world roots into the area to raise a forest or something... :P I like trees...
*Edit*
I would also love for WE Cav and infantry to travel at normal speed through forests and trees, because.. you know... Wood Elves!
Yeah WE should definitely have speed and combat bonuses in the woods IMO
I can almost guarantee that the Wild Hunt will be another reskinned WAAAGH mechanic. They've demonstrated that if they see an opportunity to re-use assets and mechanics then they will do it, unfortunately.
I dont mind some things getting reskinned, I just dont want CA to rely on it for every race and DLC that comes out obviously. We'll see
Honestly I'm not all that excited for the Wood Elves. I'm not fond of factions that require an overabundance of micromanagement (i.e. cavalry-heavy factions), so I suspect that my playtime with them will be fairly short-lived. Who knows though, I thought I'd hate playing Chaos too.
Ooh I love playing with cavalry based factions and ones that require good micro to do well with. Very satisfying and rewarding when you're able to pick apart an opponent from range and with surgical cavalry strikes. If CA does them justice I think they'll be really rewarding to play
can you do the high elves next
When a treeman falls in combat does he yell timberrr?
in older tabletop versions they had a special ability called "Timbeerrr!", when they fell you placed a dead treeman marker in in a random direction from where he fell, then everyone under the marker had to take a iniative(quickness) test or be Instantly killed!
all magic is chaos... technically tree spirits are neutral chaos spawns... but then again so is sigmar and the lady of the lake lol
All magic comes from the Warp, but I'm not sure all magic is Chaos. Chaos is itself corrupting and evil. So when magic is used by Elven Gods or others for good, I dont think that can really be considered Chaotic. Its not like a Bright Wizard who uses his powers alot automatically warps into a follower of the Chaos Gods
milkandcookiesTW both are true... the warp is where magic winds come from, but its also where chaos gods live... the entire age of sigmar takes place in the warp, it is a realm made by sigmar (a god who also lives inside the warp), after the warp destroys the real world... the only way to destroy the chaos gods is to destroy the warp and get rid of magic... magic = warp, and a bright wizard is changed by the fire winds, so he kinda is a human warped slightly by the warp, we don't have to call it chaos but it is the same thing to me :P
wildboy789789 The warp predates the chaos gods though. They are simply the most powerful denizens of the warp. It is far too simplistic to say all magic = chaos since magic comes from the Warp.
the spyro music though..
Super good right?
milkandcookiesTW yeah I know ;P
dame elves
Oh man can't wait for the Wood Elves to joins so I can MOSH 'EM REAL GOOD!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Greenies wont lay a finger, Wood Elves too fast you wont even see them coming, and they'll be gone before you know it, leaving a mountain of your fungus dead
But How can they be so fast when they're not Red??????
See you make no sense! ORKZ WIN EVERYTIME!
Your lore is a bit off, especially with the description of the Sundering. Otherwise, a great video.
Yeah I got the Sundering timeline wrong. Thank you!
Lets write to CA and aske them when we get Wood elves, anyone with me ?
I think they'll tell us when they're ready to announce the next DLC, it hasnt even been a month lol
They are so slow to release dlc :(
Wood Elves.
the Dwarves of the elves but slightly more dickish
To be fair, pretty much every race in Warhammer are a bunch of dicks, the only thing that changes on that front is the level of their dickery
Even though they are not Dwarfs wood elves are at least moderately more tolerable than those fruity high elves with their noses in the air. Still if they were reasonable they would at least agree to sell the Dwarfs some logging rights to Athel Loren. I'm just saying Dwarfs need their timber yo. I also have to question whether or not the flame cannon had been invented at the point when the last conflict was taking place. If these shaky forest eves do come around to cause some kind of beef with the good people of the mountans again oh boy let me tell you they may have another thang comin.
Angry 40 foot tall forest spirits > Stunties. Sorry m8
Once again the noble dwarven race is beaten down and humiliated by green people :(
honestly, how u describe how u want the wood elves to be in campagne... thats impossible
teleporting armies? have u ever thought about MP campagne once while making this video?
and why shouldnt elves be able to capture human cities? thats even neccessary, because otherwise the wood elves cant do a shid on campagne map cous there wont be anough cities to capture for them
you are ways too lore'ish.... cant make the game 100% lore dude... that wouldnt be fun at all..
edit: i have 2 be faire, overall its a nice video, nice historypart, not boring good work ( just the describing of the campagne couldnt work for MP campagns)
#1. Creative Assembly doesnt really give a shit about multiplayer campaigns and never have. Their balancing of factions does not revolve around MPC in the slightest. Which is a shame of course because I would love for MPC to get more content, but even more than regular Multiplayer its definitely on the backburner in terms of priorities over at CA.
#2. I think you might have missed big parts of my arguments. Remember how I said you'd have to deploy a Spellweaver in a region for 5-10 turns to bring the World Roots online in that location? That gives an opponent plenty of time to deal with the Wood Elf agent, or set up an ambush at the site. There are additional ways they could balance it. As for taking cities, I also covered that pretty thoroughly in the video. Wood Elves dont have to be an expansionist race, they dont have to be about building an empire. By tying the Wood Elf economy to the world roots and bringing them back online, you wouldnt need to occupy settlements to build your economy. The Wild Hunt and World Roots mechanics, when tied into Objectives that encouraged you to attack different factions throughout the Warhammer world, would give you reason to explore and raze/sack different cities, and make for a really unique and fun playstyle I think, that isnt tied to Regional Occupation at all. You certainly dont have to agree. In contrast to your opinion, I actually care much more about having entertaining gameplay than about the lore. I think my ideas in this video would make for a very fun campaign first and foremost, and happen to tie in to the Warhammer lore very well, which is what a Warhammer game should strive for. Whether CA could or even wants to implement any of those ideas is a different matter entirely.
But ultimately, What would you rather have? A truly unique race with a truly unique playstyle that isnt like any other faction in the game, or one that is perfectly balanced for an MPC campaign but regurgitates the same mechanics from Orcs and Beastmen? I know which one I'd choose.
milkandcookiesTW i did not not agree with ur opinion about rehashing like orcs n beastman
U r totaly right with that
I didnt agree with the campagnemechanics you offered
The teleporting of armys just seems too op, beastman and dwarfen-orcish movement is alrdy very powerfull on campagne
That d be 2 much in my opinion
I really want someone to talk to about lore and warhammer please make a discord indypride
Too bad the world roots became just another campaign movement and economy became amber
This is totally unnecessary, let me do it for you. *ahem*.
Lore? Boring.
Army? Pitiful.
Units? Weak.
Tactics? Cowardly.
Done.
Spoken like a true Dawi
Easy peasy! Not sure why I bothered with this video, you covered it much better than I ever could ;P
Yeah i been watching ArchWarhammer so i know my shit
Wood Elves don't fight fair in battle, because their enemies don't fight fair either. When your enemy's intention is to burn your home down, kill or enslave your people, fighting fair is the last thing you want.