I had a nightmare where I was reviewing my footage and saw that I took damage halfway through without noticing and had realized this after the video went live, and then I heard sirens outside my room. The cops were the least of my concern
@@kingdedede5570 True. I wasn’t really thinking he was actually suicidal, just that the behavior could’ve been intentionally made to be similar to suicidal behavior
The way he falls down lifeless after you cut his final string genuinely disturbed me. I felt so bad, because that’s when he realized his idea of freedom wasn’t possible.
In both endings he finally gets back his sanity after being defeated, giving you his last remaining power… its kinda sad seeing characters like these making actions that they don’t have full control of.
Yeah...I mean the whole premise of the werewires is that they're being controlled but I did laugh at the werewire in the Town that was still in the controlled form and when you talk to him he just goes "Yeah this form was cooler so I kept it"
I actually felt bad for him he knew he needed a soul to live and in the end that's what he wanted in a way it's a really twisted version of Pinocchio were instead of being given life he's desperate to take it
God that's a big reason why I love them, it's always a spectacle in one way or another, and the music never falls short of enhancing everything to a peak. I will never forget fighting asriel for the first time
That's usually the metre I use for boss fights in any game. If I can feel the adrenaline of the fight just by watching it, then i know it is a good boss fight
@@zeskul I mean video games are just another form of media, hell you could argue you get more attached than movies or books since in the game you can interact with them
I really am enjoying the hidden connection that every secret boss has. From the theme music to the shadow crystals to the concept of freedom. Can't wait to see what the next holder looks like.
Also both Jevil and Spamton encountered that mysterious man, the one went insane and second one gained attention he desired, but quickly lost it once that man vanished
I find it interesting that they both mentioned freedom, as well. Jevil was imprisoned but he stated that everyone else locked themselves in instead, and he wanted in to play with them, meanwhile Spamton said he wanted to free himself from being a puppet controlled by strings... and in a way, he did, only to get stuck on more.
@@robertoxlnubillux8964 it’s probably easier since you’ve already fought 3 difficult bosses like this before (Undyne, Sans, Jevil) so you’ve just naturally gotten better at the game. I’d say it’s definitely still just as, if not, more difficult than Jevil.
No hitting this boss is different than just beating it, spamton neo likes to use alot of random bullets that fill the screen despits not being tbat dangerous.
I really liked that joke with the phone he did. When he hands the phone to you, a bunch of bullets come at you, but when the line's for him' he gets a face-full of faces, really funny
It could also be a twisted reference to what the guys outside of Spamton's shop tell you. The last guy mentions how Spamton left while talking to someone. That attack could be referencing that moment in the sense that the call signified the end of his world.
Anyone else notice the similarity between Spamton getting a face full (literally) and the Reaper Bird's first attack where the Everyman gets swarmed by bugs?
@@mothichorror446 And how Spamton NEO is like Omega Flowey? The wires, float, crazy laugh, the blue tubes/pipes are the same as the soul's vessels I think that Gaster remade the [DT Extraction Machine] in Deltarune
This fight is way better than the Jevil fight cuz Susie and Ralsei learn to act by themselves during this chapter, so when party members are down, you can still multitask by healing them up while still making progress, whereas in the Jevil fight, going pacifist is super hard cuz you can only make progress if all three party members are alive and all use their turn, so you can't even heal and stuff and progress the fight during the same turn. That is the true reason why Pacifist Jevil is still a harder fight.
Can’t Kris spin on his own without the other party members helping? If you make Kris continue to spin while Susie and Ralsei focus on healing and support you can still multitask in the Jevil fight. I’d say the only major difference is that you can’t see the percentage progress bar in the Jevil fight, so it feels like a longer gauntlet since you don’t know when it’s gonna end.
nah pacifist jevil was way easier for me, because kris can just pirouette on their own and make progress in the fight while ALSO having the chance of weakening the next move, strengthening yourself, healing yourself, etc
Yeah I felt like that too. It's still a good fight but fluffy guard gave way too much leniency. My heart was still in my throat such a good fight I just wish the final bosses had the same flair to them as I found birdy harder then robo queen
"Kris, do you wanna be a heart on a chain your entire life?" Wait, this sentence. At the end of chapter 2... Does Spamton know more then what being let on?
Honestly that "mama" line makes me damn sad everytime I see this fight, especially in the "pacifist" route with the way too happy background and music. It's probably gonna get even worse from now on now that we know there are 5 more bosses that got their lives flipped by Gaster.
@@catalyst539 There is, one of the NPCs after Spamton NEO fight said something about a garbage noise that came from a phone Spamton heard, same noise from Kris' phone and also the same noise that associated with Gaster from Undertale. It has to be him
@@balanceherosmt7170 And Seam literally referenced him after you defeat Jevil. I still can't believe people still don't think Gaster is involved in this one way or another lmao
@@catalyst539 They referance him a couple of times! Your game crashes or resets when you name the vessel or the creator "Gaster". If you speed up the bunker sounds at the bottom of the town by 666% it plays mus_smile, the audio that plays in gaster_room. Kris' phone in the dark world plays it too and calls it garbage noises, and after the Spamton Neo fight, one of the salesmen at the dump says when Spamton went missing they found his phone off the hook also playing garbage noises. Seam (and Jevil? I think?) quotes him directly. Plus the song Another Him uses the same melody as Undertale's mus_st_him, the file name for Gaster's theme, plus a bunch of other songs like Card Castle, Darkness Falls, The Circus, Friendship, and Dialtone, the song that plays in Spamton's store. (I'm sure other songs in ch 2 do too, I just haven't finished it yet so I haven't sat down with the ost cuz spoilers lol) Theres other stuff that implies it, but this is just some of the super literal ones off the top of my head
Love how you can hear the Jevil's theme but also the battle theme of Napstablook (or more importantly, Dummy, as he seems to be puppeteered by some greater force), and you can vaguely hear Mettaton NEO in the background as well. Also pretty cool that the secret bosses so far seem be aware about the forthcomings of what the game has to hold (and they may have faint awareness of them being in a game? Maybe?). Man this game is so banger
You hear a little bit of Dummy! because, it's, well, a puppet a little but of Power Of Neo because, the mech suit he uses is one designed by Deltarune-universe Mettaton and Jevil's theme since they're loosely connected by implied lore
Its even more explicit than a melody, too. The song literally takes audio samples from Mettaton Neo and whole-ass PARTS of the Dummy! theme. It's no secret they're connected. I mean, SpamTON, just look at his legs!
I think the armour still connects the same way even if everyone can use them. Jevil gives a tail and Susie has one, sampton gives glasses and ralsei has those
if the chapter 3 character drops the pure crystal, it could be combined with the thorn ring from an aborted snowgrave run and become the twisted sword, which you can fuse for in the cafe in castle town (not yet though because the pure crystal doesn't exist)
This boi in a nutshell: Toby fox: So, Everyone wants Mettaton Neo full fight? Fans of Undertale and Deltarune: *YES!!!* Toby fox: Ok, here we go! *Create this secret boss* Not lying, this boss is the most close we have a mettaton Neo fight.
@@Universe_SHOW The Genocide Route in Undertale wasn't supposed to be fun, it's supposed to give you the vibe of "You fucked up. You weren't supposed to do that." Undyne gained the power of Determination to end your game, which is how she gained so much health and wasn't one hit. Sans was just a smartass and dodged everything, as well as break the fourth wall and hit you in the menu. Mettaton did have the Determination, but didn't use it very well, so he just became a sitting duck and ended horribly...
I mean tbf, while fighting him myself, I definitely could tel it would be possible to no hit, even fairly easy especially with the ability to shoot, rendering some attacks useless at some points, like the face
@@bumblingBird- I mean, they both spoke to a mysterious man and were either driven to loneliness or depression, and both are difficult, secret bosses, they're definitely connected
@@bumblingBird- The shopkeeper in chapter one had a dialogue after you beat Jevil saying Jevil saw something yet darker one day and that drove Jevil into insanity. "Dark. Darker. Yet Darker." Is one of the only few lines Gaster has in Undertale.
Now that I think about it, Deltarune has 7 chapters, there were 7 human souls, my theory is that each secret boss represents a heart. Jevil: Red Heart Spamton Neo: Yellow Heart
Uhm no its chris representing the soul. He’s using determination to stay determined in the long fight against Jevil. And Justice to stop the insane lunatic. Not the other way around. Cause jevil isn’t determination and Spamton definitely not justice lol.
@@galloviking4766 It could be undyne. Since she’s close to kris’ home. And kris left the door open so the dark world will probably be leaking outside. So we might see undyne. And maybe even sans
One thing I love about this secret boss, is the fact that it´s acknowledge by the characthers after it happens, normaly in games secret boss fights are just secrets that just happens and thats it, but it seems that with each passing chapter we are gonna get some secret lore by defeat them all.
I just realized those aren't puppet strings but power cables, Mettaton Neo said their body's power source is why they went down in one hit and it's implied that Spamton Neo is using the same body.
Kris's response to suzie as "no" when she asks you about how you felt about the battle feels sad because of how ralsei describes kris responding as yelling
Kris's response of "yes" is even sadder because the player is forcing them to say it. Kris clearly isn't ok and never wanted to do this in the first place, but we wanted to make a deal and help a conman.
Ngl Depression hit hard when his final string was cut and he just fell dead on the floor. Even though the concept of suffering and no free will being the main crux of Tobey's games it still sucks seeing these characters fight so unnaturally hard for freedom only to get denied at the very end. While I think Spamton is a less interesting boss fight compared to Jevil (Jevil being way harder and having a way cooler character/theme) I think Spamton is superior in terms of character. You really do feel bad for this poor broken man that just wanted to be free of everything.
Poor spamton he desperately wants to live and I think that's why he wants your soul because creatures in this realm have no souls and can't pass over without one it also explains Gaster's connection the absence of a soul is required to open a gateway to this realm as shown by Kris
@@horrorsans3676 Kris still has it but he has to take it out whenever he creates one of these realms we see him do this in the ending quickly putting it back in before the dark world envelopes them
@@angsty_saint actually... Did they put it back on? I think the dark sorround the room when they were just holding it. Imagine chapter 3 starting as Just Susie or something and facing a Souless Darkener Kris.
True, tho it’s just easier using a previously established title for that type of battling, short version, don’t think about it, it won’t affect the game or video at all.
@Mustache Crab pretty much this, I debated giving the title a more appropriate title, but (fighting + acting) doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well. I think the current title is communicated better overall based on establishment
i think the line "do you want to be a heart on a chain your whole life" is actually really true. spamton most lilkely knew about what was happening to frisk.
I dont feel like spamton was easier than jevil, but i was definitely felt more prepared for his fight , and ralsie and suzy felt way more helpful because they can buff heal and act
i died more going up on that teacup elevator earlier in the basement (two times.) so um.. yeah probably. ..also this area and boss legitimately terrified me.
There's an alternate/genocide route where you fight spamton neo at the fountain by yourself. I'm not exactly sure but I think a nohit of that would be harder since you deal less damage per turn(since its only you) and there's no way to spare him in this fight.
look, all those bosses have a theme, jevil is the pure chaos of imagination being sealed only to get more limited for getting tired, and spamton is the feeling of being a puppet, wanting to be free only to get even more stuck, i wonder what will be the next
Wait, that wasn’t forced upon them. They changed their soul mode by themself… The heck is this kid Also, a jester in a chapter where papyrus is mentioned but not seen, a [BIG SHOT] in a chapter where Mettaton is heard but not seen… are these guys forgotten hopes and dreams? Is the next one going to be a failed comedian?
to my surprise I beat this guy on my second try (thought it would be at least 10). however, I took insane amounts of damage and used a lot of healing items. the fact you beat him without taking a single hit is the work of a master!
Even though Toby has already recycled the "ghost fight" theme before, I firmly believe spamton is part of the ghost family -napstablook -mettaton -mad dummy Etc
so I guess there's gonna be concepts shared between all secret bosses. If you pacifist them you get armor, if you beat their asses to a pulp you get a weapon and they'll all give you a shadow crystal on defeat no matter what way you take them down
Honestly, at this point Deltarune’s routes should be called “FIGHT” and “ACT” based on the way you face the secret Bosses. And any other Routes that may or may not exist should have names tied to them relating to their content.
i predicted the fact that Spamton would't survive having his wires cut, but I did not expect him to just... fall over dead. Jeez. Freaked me the hell out when I played it.
I'm fairly sure the yellow heart was also used for the mettaton ex fight so I'm happy it's back in a fight with a character that's kinda like mettaton, just insane
it pretty sad since spamton words in genocide ending tell us that his dream does not come true(pacifist does but in a exceptable way) ps*:i would say genocide route in undertale gave me a much bigger lesson also thanks toby for making such great games c:
another interesting connection to Mettaton Neo, during Metatons Neo's 'fight' when you are selecting an action it sometimes says 'the Stage Lights are Blaring' while in Spamton Neo's fight, before you take an action it sometimes will say "The stage lights are shattered" It just shows how similar, yet different they both are since Mettaton was a successful star while Spamton is a failed one
I think he's supposed to reference mettaton neo as he looks very similar and his name. His gun he tries to shoot kris with is also the same as mettatons. The yellow heart and some attacks were present in both their fights too. He even mentions the power of neo which the name of the track for mettaton neos fight.
i swear this chapter was hard as fuck i died more times than i could count lol but seeing u beat a really hard looking boss and making it look easy makes me jealous lmao but anyways nice job :)
4:50 I didn’t think much of the line when I fought him, but after finishing the game and watching this, all I can think about is how he _doesn’t_ want to be a heart on a chain, yet ever since the game started, we’ve taken over him
I feel like Deltarune Chapter 2 has a theme of Puppets. Think about it. Between Spamton, Berdly, The Werewires, and even Kris by the player, and the party to that extent. And I don't think that it's any coincidence that SnowGrave is in this chapter because of that.
Defeating Spamton Neo by fighting gives us the same result as Jevil with some things changed. Cryptic dialogue and lore, and either a new weapon or armor depending on how he went down. It's hard to call defeating him by fighting as 'genocide', that's more the Snowgrave way, just depends on if you want a weapon or armor for the next chapter. Personally, and this is just me, but I actually enjoyed fighting him more than doing the pacifist way, though I did everything else the pacifist way.
Wait I just noticed something. Spamton starts to speak without his weird brackets and form of speech during the intro after 30 secs, speaking in all caps and in broken sentences with gaps just like gaster and also what he says there is interesting. I already believe based on spamton and also Jevils behaviour that they are connected to gaster in some way as well due to some of their statements.
TBH the True Bonus Boss for me was the goddamned Teacup Ride Elevator when you need to go back up after turning down the electric field... Seriously, that thing killed me 10 times when i managed to do the entire chapter (went to Spamton on a Save File i made before fighting Queen) without dying, damn i even managed to pacify Spamton NEO at my first try! (not before emptying my entire inventory tho).
So, the "Power of NEO" is actually quite the thing, but is incapable of manifesting very well in real space, which is what lead to Mettaton NEO being a wuss.. Seems to be a case about the concept not being able to be brought to life, like a school project with no teammates, the plan to make an energy shield around the United States or Deltarune without extra workers.
So, the lore with this, Deltarune-universe Mettaton designed it in MSPaint (apparently represented by Swatch and the Swatchlings), but it was abandoned/deleted until it was found and used by Spamton
On a no mercy run, you usually want to be defending with Ralsei because he has the lowest ATK, and the TP gained is a better investment than the straight damage because it contributes to Rude Buster. That is, until you actually beat Spamton and he gains more ATK than Kris.
I love that his ramblings also call his attacks in a literal sense. Like when he says he's gonna have a heart attack and then attacks your heart with his. Or when he talks about being a Big Shot and then shoots big projectiles.
When i saw this part first i thought "since they're in a digital world, it is possible that somehow in some way, theres a game similar to Undertale in this universe and that's why in this specific chapter there's this part that looks like the ruins? Not only that, his design is like a poor attempt of Mettaton Neo, almost as if he recovered corrupted data and made a corpse out of it and has a lot of shared attacks" But who knows, aside of that, there's also this connection with Jevil which they both went crazy/corrupted after talking to this "Mysterious man" (some day it could be Gaster) and it seems they give you a "Shadow Crystal" (not sure if Jevil gives you one) and also the fact that Spamton has shared motifs of the Mettaton Neo theme and Ghost Battle one
If you talk to Swatch after fighting Spamton NEO, he tells you that Spamton's body was designed by a Lightner (with Swatch's help, since he's a digital art program), so it's very heavily implied this IS what would have been Mettaton's NEO body in this universe; it's just a digital drawing in the computer lab
11:30 So is this what they mean by the secret boss of each chapter revealing the antagonist for the next chapter? I've heard a lot about mike, but now it's brought up in the battle itself.
there's a lot of people wondering how a no hit run surfaced in the last 48 hours since chp 2's release: *some people like to play touhou on lunatic difficulty and enjoy it*
This is not only impressive that not only did this come out so quickly within the initial release, but also because they didn't even use the OP Cheese method to beat him hitless
![Deltarune: Triple Enraged Spamton NEO No Hit No Right Button [TAS]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VrI16FVB9QY/mqdefault.jpg)
I had a nightmare where I was reviewing my footage and saw that I took damage halfway through without noticing and had realized this after the video went live, and then I heard sirens outside my room. The cops were the least of my concern
Nah, they were coming to you for youtube crimes. Namely, false advertisement.
So you needed to fear the Cops.
Karl Jobst has already been deployed. He is in freefall over your house. There is no escape.
My man are you ok?
That gave me a chuckle.
Bro don't pull your strings too hard
*Ba dum tss *
it's so haunting how he goes from this intense euphoric state to just. dead on the ground.
TW / CW : Sui talk
It might reference how some suicidal folk become euphoric when planning to commit. To be honest that only makes it more freaky…
@@Mzoyagon doubt that's the case since he wasn't really being suicidal he just didn't know the wires were the only things keeping his new form alive
@@kingdedede5570 True. I wasn’t really thinking he was actually suicidal, just that the behavior could’ve been intentionally made to be similar to suicidal behavior
kinda like a overdose but instead of drugs its with power
it's a reference to how kris can't get rid of the player's control
imagine beating the hardest boss in the chapter hitless 12 hours after the chapter released
Imagine
*D E T E R M I N A T I O N*
The power of DETERMINATION
DETERMINATION my freind. DETERMINATION.
Not exactly the hardest, but that would fall under even greater spoilers so im just gonna let you find that out for yourself
The way he falls down lifeless after you cut his final string genuinely disturbed me. I felt so bad, because that’s when he realized his idea of freedom wasn’t possible.
I still get goosebumps at that part tbh. Screen blacks out, music stops, and he's lifeless. And it just fuucking staaaaaaays there.
Freedom don't come free
@@amberhernandez Freedom don't exist
@@abbadons8476 you're free to believe that...
@@bozmundarts2614 Haha no I'm not lol
In both endings he finally gets back his sanity after being defeated, giving you his last remaining power… its kinda sad seeing characters like these making actions that they don’t have full control of.
Yeah...I mean the whole premise of the werewires is that they're being controlled but I did laugh at the werewire in the Town that was still in the controlled form and when you talk to him he just goes "Yeah this form was cooler so I kept it"
I actually felt bad for him he knew he needed a soul to live and in the end that's what he wanted in a way it's a really twisted version of Pinocchio were instead of being given life he's desperate to take it
@@Hessonite_Dragon_Helen Probably because Queen doesn't force them to anymore
isnt that what we're doing to kris
@@angsty_saint yup, that’s true but really sad/depressing
Toby's battles are not just fun to play, they're also very entertaining to watch. So much flair, so many colors, so funny.
God that's a big reason why I love them, it's always a spectacle in one way or another, and the music never falls short of enhancing everything to a peak. I will never forget fighting asriel for the first time
That's usually the metre I use for boss fights in any game. If I can feel the adrenaline of the fight just by watching it, then i know it is a good boss fight
Except jevil. I hate his attacks smh
thefunniest part is where he falls to the ground and dies
@@westoncupak3165 for me im a little disturbed by it, like a lifeless corpse falling down
It broke my heart when he said "watch me fly mama" and crashed down lifelessly
i dont get why people get sad about videogames
@Nope ok
@@zeskul I mean video games are just another form of media, hell you could argue you get more attached than movies or books since in the game you can interact with them
@@zeskul ya dont have a heart?
**ONLY GENOCIDE NOT KNOWS**
*you genocide dirti*
@@zeskul i don’t get why people get sad about movies
I really am enjoying the hidden connection that every secret boss has. From the theme music to the shadow crystals to the concept of freedom. Can't wait to see what the next holder looks like.
Also both Jevil and Spamton encountered that mysterious man, the one went insane and second one gained attention he desired, but quickly lost it once that man vanished
I'm curious to know who's Mike when you choose to talk about his friends on his store
I find it interesting that they both mentioned freedom, as well. Jevil was imprisoned but he stated that everyone else locked themselves in instead, and he wanted in to play with them, meanwhile Spamton said he wanted to free himself from being a puppet controlled by strings... and in a way, he did, only to get stuck on more.
@@Mettalus That seems to be a theme the holders have. Curious to see what's next really.
I feel bad for spamton and jevil all because of the knight made them think differently or something like that
Did ya seriously no hit Spamton NEO
on the same day as the release
Hats off.
I mean this boss isn't really hard?
@@omegand. totally, i actually remember how many items i used whit jevil and sans, and it took *LESS* items whit this weirdo,
@@robertoxlnubillux8964 it’s probably easier since you’ve already fought 3 difficult bosses like this before (Undyne, Sans, Jevil) so you’ve just naturally gotten better at the game. I’d say it’s definitely still just as, if not, more difficult than Jevil.
No hitting this boss is different than just beating it, spamton neo likes to use alot of random bullets that fill the screen despits not being tbat dangerous.
@@omegand. IS IT NOT??? BRUHHH I'm not having an EASY time with this guy I'll say that much XD
I really liked that joke with the phone he did. When he hands the phone to you, a bunch of bullets come at you, but when the line's for him' he gets a face-full of faces, really funny
That also makes it creepier since whoever is telling everything that made him insane doesn't want him to reveal anything to any one else.
It could also be a twisted reference to what the guys outside of Spamton's shop tell you. The last guy mentions how Spamton left while talking to someone. That attack could be referencing that moment in the sense that the call signified the end of his world.
I found it really disturbing that the phone attacked him. Like whatever was on the other end wanted to silence him.
Anyone else notice the similarity between Spamton getting a face full (literally) and the Reaper Bird's first attack where the Everyman gets swarmed by bugs?
@@mothichorror446
And how Spamton NEO is like Omega Flowey?
The wires, float, crazy laugh, the blue tubes/pipes are the same as the soul's vessels
I think that Gaster remade the [DT Extraction Machine] in Deltarune
This fight is way better than the Jevil fight cuz Susie and Ralsei learn to act by themselves during this chapter, so when party members are down, you can still multitask by healing them up while still making progress, whereas in the Jevil fight, going pacifist is super hard cuz you can only make progress if all three party members are alive and all use their turn, so you can't even heal and stuff and progress the fight during the same turn.
That is the true reason why Pacifist Jevil is still a harder fight.
Can’t Kris spin on his own without the other party members helping? If you make Kris continue to spin while Susie and Ralsei focus on healing and support you can still multitask in the Jevil fight. I’d say the only major difference is that you can’t see the percentage progress bar in the Jevil fight, so it feels like a longer gauntlet since you don’t know when it’s gonna end.
nah pacifist jevil was way easier for me, because kris can just pirouette on their own and make progress in the fight while ALSO having the chance of weakening the next move, strengthening yourself, healing yourself, etc
Not only that but Jevil shoots from completely random directions
Yeah I felt like that too. It's still a good fight but fluffy guard gave way too much leniency. My heart was still in my throat such a good fight I just wish the final bosses had the same flair to them as I found birdy harder then robo queen
God no everything bout Jevil is
Better
"Kris, do you wanna be a heart on a chain your entire life?"
Wait, this sentence. At the end of chapter 2... Does Spamton know more then what being let on?
No, he literally asks kris for his soul he knows about us.
@@owlismyfavouritecolorflame2325 Don't all humans in this universe have souls though
I don't think he needs to know us to know, Kris has a soul
@@mweeee Outside the tutorial, this is the first time in two chapters [soul] is mentioned.
@@owlismyfavouritecolorflame2325 yeah but thats only because he wants to become more powerful
@@BerriesNotNice It’s also mentioned in the book on the second level of the library I believe
Honestly that "mama" line makes me damn sad everytime I see this fight, especially in the "pacifist" route with the way too happy background and music. It's probably gonna get even worse from now on now that we know there are 5 more bosses that got their lives flipped by Gaster.
Why’re we just drawing everything to Gaster?
There’s no evidence of him being in the game.
@@catalyst539 There is, one of the NPCs after Spamton NEO fight said something about a garbage noise that came from a phone Spamton heard, same noise from Kris' phone and also the same noise that associated with Gaster from Undertale. It has to be him
@@balanceherosmt7170
And Seam literally referenced him after you defeat Jevil. I still can't believe people still don't think Gaster is involved in this one way or another lmao
@@catalyst539 did you even pay attention to the story?
@@catalyst539 They referance him a couple of times! Your game crashes or resets when you name the vessel or the creator "Gaster". If you speed up the bunker sounds at the bottom of the town by 666% it plays mus_smile, the audio that plays in gaster_room. Kris' phone in the dark world plays it too and calls it garbage noises, and after the Spamton Neo fight, one of the salesmen at the dump says when Spamton went missing they found his phone off the hook also playing garbage noises. Seam (and Jevil? I think?) quotes him directly. Plus the song Another Him uses the same melody as Undertale's mus_st_him, the file name for Gaster's theme, plus a bunch of other songs like Card Castle, Darkness Falls, The Circus, Friendship, and Dialtone, the song that plays in Spamton's store. (I'm sure other songs in ch 2 do too, I just haven't finished it yet so I haven't sat down with the ost cuz spoilers lol) Theres other stuff that implies it, but this is just some of the super literal ones off the top of my head
Love how you can hear the Jevil's theme but also the battle theme of Napstablook (or more importantly, Dummy, as he seems to be puppeteered by some greater force), and you can vaguely hear Mettaton NEO in the background as well. Also pretty cool that the secret bosses so far seem be aware about the forthcomings of what the game has to hold (and they may have faint awareness of them being in a game? Maybe?). Man this game is so banger
It's actually mettaton neo/baath that you can hear in the background, but the point still stands.
@@Lightkitty24 Oh yeah should've edited that. At the time of typing that I had forgotten what it was called hahaha, so thanks for reminding me!
You hear
a little bit of Dummy! because, it's, well, a puppet
a little but of Power Of Neo because, the mech suit he uses is one designed by Deltarune-universe Mettaton
and Jevil's theme since they're loosely connected by implied lore
You can hear bits of basically everything in this song
Its even more explicit than a melody, too. The song literally takes audio samples from Mettaton Neo and whole-ass PARTS of the Dummy! theme. It's no secret they're connected. I mean, SpamTON, just look at his legs!
A puppet without strings, cannot live.
That is the fatal mistake Spamton made.
true
In reality the robot died thanks to the strings being the Energy cables and kris riped them off
So Jevil becomes a weapon for Susie, and Spamton becomes a weapon for Ralsei. I wonder if chapter 3's secret boss would drop a sword for Kris.
Jevil can also become a shield for kris
I think the armour still connects the same way even if everyone can use them. Jevil gives a tail and Susie has one, sampton gives glasses and ralsei has those
He will slash with Disbelief Swapfell Chara NEO knife
@@nameless_0 apparently the defensive jevil item can be equipped on anyone, I put it on ralsei for ch2
if the chapter 3 character drops the pure crystal, it could be combined with the thorn ring from an aborted snowgrave run and become the twisted sword, which you can fuse for in the cafe in castle town (not yet though because the pure crystal doesn't exist)
This boi in a nutshell:
Toby fox: So, Everyone wants Mettaton Neo full fight?
Fans of Undertale and Deltarune:
*YES!!!*
Toby fox: Ok, here we go!
*Create this secret boss*
Not lying, this boss is the most close we have a mettaton Neo fight.
-Mettaton- Spamton Neo
We do fight mettaton neo, but mettaton doesn't put up much of a fight
@@ultra9612 Exact, we fight, but is so short that isnt considerated a battle.
@@Universe_SHOW The Genocide Route in Undertale wasn't supposed to be fun, it's supposed to give you the vibe of "You fucked up. You weren't supposed to do that." Undyne gained the power of Determination to end your game, which is how she gained so much health and wasn't one hit. Sans was just a smartass and dodged everything, as well as break the fourth wall and hit you in the menu. Mettaton did have the Determination, but didn't use it very well, so he just became a sitting duck and ended horribly...
@@SnowyFoxlinn I know.
But i think some fans want mettaton Neo fight.
HUH? NO HIT ALREADY?! that was fast lol
mans verified
Merg gonna be like: OMG jealous
Check the description lol
I mean tbf, while fighting him myself, I definitely could tel it would be possible to no hit, even fairly easy especially with the ability to shoot, rendering some attacks useless at some points, like the face
Damn irk
Its quite sad actually seeing a character in a state like this. Gaster has clearly drove this guy into insanity like Jevil.
Why does everyone have to try to connect everything to random characters like jevil or gaster?
@@bumblingBird- I mean, they both spoke to a mysterious man and were either driven to loneliness or depression, and both are difficult, secret bosses, they're definitely connected
@@greyhayc9264 but we have absolutely no evidence that the person they spoke to was gaster
It’s more likely the spoke to the knight or something
@@bumblingBird- The shopkeeper in chapter one had a dialogue after you beat Jevil saying Jevil saw something yet darker one day and that drove Jevil into insanity.
"Dark. Darker. Yet Darker." Is one of the only few lines Gaster has in Undertale.
@@sergiomatheus3392 and why does that mean it has to be gaster?
undertale: Mettaton neo goes brokie instantly
deltarune: Spamton Ex goes brokie instantly
@Hectorad in massacre route, spamton tries change his form to spamton ex but he dies instantly
@@BitesDontHurt I find that funny
At least you get to see Metaton Neo, not so with Spamton EX
@@ExoAether I mean, isn’t neo better then ex?
next game : normal form of (something here)ton goes brokie instantly
Now that I think about it, Deltarune has 7 chapters, there were 7 human souls, my theory is that each secret boss represents a heart.
Jevil: Red Heart
Spamton Neo: Yellow Heart
That could happen yes, but if its true, then we will get to see the cyan and orange souls mechanic. Would be cool ngl
Uhm no its chris representing the soul. He’s using determination to stay determined in the long fight against Jevil. And Justice to stop the insane lunatic.
Not the other way around. Cause jevil isn’t determination and Spamton definitely not justice lol.
Can't wait to get the Green heart boss fight, if that's actually the case.
SANS: BLUE HEART
@@galloviking4766 It could be undyne. Since she’s close to kris’ home. And kris left the door open so the dark world will probably be leaking outside. So we might see undyne. And maybe even sans
One thing I love about this secret boss, is the fact that it´s acknowledge by the characthers after it happens, normaly in games secret boss fights are just secrets that just happens and thats it, but it seems that with each passing chapter we are gonna get some secret lore by defeat them all.
Nobody gonna talk about how Pacifist was incredibly horrifying to watch when they landed on the grou- No? Ok
I just realized those aren't puppet strings but power cables, Mettaton Neo said their body's power source is why they went down in one hit and it's implied that Spamton Neo is using the same body.
The real question is does this make you a big shot!?
Arguably so
😎
you meant a [[BIG SHOT!!!!?!]]
mega shot
But it has a 66.6% chance of making you [[hyperlink blocked]]
"Watch me fly, [mama]!"
No-hit run failed; critical hit to my feels :(
mike is the next hidden boss in the tv world calling it now
Mike who?
@@Reginald_Ritmo no
Spamton's friend?
@@Reginald_Ritmo mike hawk
*Persona 4 joke goes here*
Kris's response to suzie as "no" when she asks you about how you felt about the battle feels sad because of how ralsei describes kris responding as yelling
Woah, really? Sounds heavy.
Kris's response of "yes" is even sadder because the player is forcing them to say it. Kris clearly isn't ok and never wanted to do this in the first place, but we wanted to make a deal and help a conman.
Ngl Depression hit hard when his final string was cut and he just fell dead on the floor. Even though the concept of suffering and no free will being the main crux of Tobey's games it still sucks seeing these characters fight so unnaturally hard for freedom only to get denied at the very end. While I think Spamton is a less interesting boss fight compared to Jevil (Jevil being way harder and having a way cooler character/theme) I think Spamton is superior in terms of character. You really do feel bad for this poor broken man that just wanted to be free of everything.
Poor spamton he desperately wants to live and I think that's why he wants your soul because creatures in this realm have no souls and can't pass over without one it also explains Gaster's connection the absence of a soul is required to open a gateway to this realm as shown by Kris
But then where is Kris original soul?
..
Crazy thought? Asriel might have it.
@@horrorsans3676 Kris still has it but he has to take it out whenever he creates one of these realms we see him do this in the ending quickly putting it back in before the dark world envelopes them
@@angsty_saint actually... Did they put it back on? I think the dark sorround the room when they were just holding it.
Imagine chapter 3 starting as Just Susie or something and facing a Souless Darkener Kris.
@@horrorsans3676 it's only a couple pixels but he does visibly lower it back inside last minute it appears they are rather sluggish without it
I'm solidly convinced he learned this from gaster
its honestly a pet peeve of mine that people sitll label attacking the enemy as genocide when you literally just cant kill normal enemies
True, tho it’s just easier using a previously established title for that type of battling, short version, don’t think about it, it won’t affect the game or video at all.
I mean, I'm pretty sure you kinda do in Chapter 2, I slashed at enemies and saw that I was level 2
@Mustache Crab pretty much this, I debated giving the title a more appropriate title, but (fighting + acting) doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well. I think the current title is communicated better overall based on establishment
@@KippyTD How about "Mercy + Violence"?
@@slenderminion2229 it's just not the same bros...
i think the line "do you want to be a heart on a chain your whole life" is actually really true. spamton most lilkely knew about what was happening to frisk.
Everyone snapped wires!
*plus 7% mercy
"Oh its one of these fights..."
That chapter was so fucking awesome it likes annihilated all my expectations
It's not a masterpiece it's a godpiece
I dont feel like spamton was easier than jevil, but i was definitely felt more prepared for his fight , and ralsie and suzy felt way more helpful because they can buff heal and act
i died more going up on that teacup elevator earlier in the basement (two times.)
so um.. yeah probably.
..also this area and boss legitimately terrified me.
Toby is great at giving goofy characters absolutely slapping battle music.
This is the most disturbing fight i've seen since earthbound
Thanks for uploading this! I wouldn't have thought about alternate dialogue for killing him!
I wonder who Mike is? Could be an alias for gaster or maybe just an old friend like how Seam was to Jevil?
Maybe it was The Players name?
@@Bronze998 No, i saw mike mentioned in my game and i set my name different.
Or maybe they’re somehow related to the Knight?
@@nowheregiirl8115 im betting on his friend that too got lost in the freedom thing given by gaster
@Rio Inkling this is a certified
I love how the attacks are kinda synchronized with the music at around 8:49
There's an alternate/genocide route where you fight spamton neo at the fountain by yourself. I'm not exactly sure but I think a nohit of that would be harder since you deal less damage per turn(since its only you) and there's no way to spare him in this fight.
What is this real?
@@CutMeSomeSlackTheVII yea
With the chapter being so fresh it’s hard to decide what’s real and fake-
@@shaggyleaf its real. You "manipulate" noelle and use her to kill enemies and at end berdly.
@@sony6708 oh... coincidentally I just got a video about that route, and it’s just so unnerving. I’m not sure how to exactly explain it
the BIG SHOT song is now stuck in my head!!
look, all those bosses have a theme, jevil is the pure chaos of imagination being sealed only to get more limited for getting tired, and spamton is the feeling of being a puppet, wanting to be free only to get even more stuck, i wonder what will be the next
and it all links to the shadow crystals.. honestly, i don’t know what Toby has in store for everyone next.
love that OP was jammin out with us @5:15 while Spamton is getting, well, spammed
Wait, that wasn’t forced upon them. They changed their soul mode by themself…
The heck is this kid
Also, a jester in a chapter where papyrus is mentioned but not seen, a [BIG SHOT] in a chapter where Mettaton is heard but not seen… are these guys forgotten hopes and dreams? Is the next one going to be a failed comedian?
"My 8000 Life Points"
Well, deltarune wasn't where I thought I would find what can be interpreted as a Yu-Gi-Oh reference
"YOU'RE A THIRD RATE [Valued Customer] WITH A FOURTH RATE [specil deal]!"
UT Fandom: we have mettaton neo 2.0
Toby fox: take this puppet boi
I love how spamton is basically just mettaton's weirder cousin.
Spamton's death is genuinely heart breaking
to my surprise I beat this guy on my second try (thought it would be at least 10). however, I took insane amounts of damage and used a lot of healing items.
the fact you beat him without taking a single hit is the work of a master!
Even though Toby has already recycled the "ghost fight" theme before, I firmly believe spamton is part of the ghost family
-napstablook
-mettaton
-mad dummy
Etc
Or at least part of the "somewhat-metaphysical entity inhabiting an artificial body" family
so I guess there's gonna be concepts shared between all secret bosses. If you pacifist them you get armor, if you beat their asses to a pulp you get a weapon and they'll all give you a shadow crystal on defeat no matter what way you take them down
For a genocide route you would have to actually kill the monsters, and Kris has no way of killing anyone. But perhaps there's someone who does..? 🦌
Honestly, at this point Deltarune’s routes should be called “FIGHT” and “ACT” based on the way you face the secret Bosses.
And any other Routes that may or may not exist should have names tied to them relating to their content.
Noell be like:
Noelle in normal runs: Rudolph the red nosed reindeer
Snowgrave Noelle: The Shining
This dude is both a master at dodging flying objects and playing space invaders as well
"HOLY [[Cungadero]] DO I FEEL GOOD" WHY DO I LIKE THAT LINE SO MUCH LMAO
i predicted the fact that Spamton would't survive having his wires cut, but I did not expect him to just... fall over dead. Jeez. Freaked me the hell out when I played it.
At 3:51 you can hear part of the Dummy theme! Makes sense since Spamton is supposed to be based off a ventriloquism dummy :)
I'm fairly sure the yellow heart was also used for the mettaton ex fight so I'm happy it's back in a fight with a character that's kinda like mettaton, just insane
Sheeesh it even used a leitmotif from ghost fight, which is napstablook's battle theme who has some kind of relationship with mettaton
Spamton NEO
His soundtrack it's look like napstackblook + Mettaton NEO
I thought..
Also a little bit of jevil music
every boss soundtrack combined with jojo
also + undyne
and mad dummy
and don't forget metallic madness from sonic cd
it pretty sad since spamton words in genocide ending tell us that his dream does not come true(pacifist does but in a exceptable way)
ps*:i would say genocide route in undertale gave me a much bigger lesson
also thanks toby for making such great games c:
another interesting connection to Mettaton Neo, during Metatons Neo's 'fight' when you are selecting an action it sometimes says 'the Stage Lights are Blaring' while in Spamton Neo's fight, before you take an action it sometimes will say "The stage lights are shattered"
It just shows how similar, yet different they both are since Mettaton was a successful star while Spamton is a failed one
I think he's supposed to reference mettaton neo as he looks very similar and his name. His gun he tries to shoot kris with is also the same as mettatons. The yellow heart and some attacks were present in both their fights too. He even mentions the power of neo which the name of the track for mettaton neos fight.
i swear this chapter was hard as fuck
i died more times than i could count lol
but seeing u beat a really hard looking boss and making it look easy makes me jealous lmao
but anyways nice job :)
well shoot im the opposite, first play through i died only like 6-7 times.
Damn i feel such pride for having no death first playthrough, except for a few knockdown (fuck you werewerewerewire)
Glad to see Mettaton is still alive.
It is surprising how we were able to possibly squeeze everything we can out in Chapter 2 in only a couple of weeks.
4:50
I didn’t think much of the line when I fought him, but after finishing the game and watching this, all I can think about is how he _doesn’t_ want to be a heart on a chain, yet ever since the game started, we’ve taken over him
I feel like Deltarune Chapter 2 has a theme of Puppets. Think about it. Between Spamton, Berdly, The Werewires, and even Kris by the player, and the party to that extent. And I don't think that it's any coincidence that SnowGrave is in this chapter because of that.
Defeating Spamton Neo by fighting gives us the same result as Jevil with some things changed. Cryptic dialogue and lore, and either a new weapon or armor depending on how he went down. It's hard to call defeating him by fighting as 'genocide', that's more the Snowgrave way, just depends on if you want a weapon or armor for the next chapter. Personally, and this is just me, but I actually enjoyed fighting him more than doing the pacifist way, though I did everything else the pacifist way.
Wait I just noticed something. Spamton starts to speak without his weird brackets and form of speech during the intro after 30 secs, speaking in all caps and in broken sentences with gaps just like gaster and also what he says there is interesting. I already believe based on spamton and also Jevils behaviour that they are connected to gaster in some way as well due to some of their statements.
TBH the True Bonus Boss for me was the goddamned Teacup Ride Elevator when you need to go back up after turning down the electric field...
Seriously, that thing killed me 10 times when i managed to do the entire chapter (went to Spamton on a Save File i made before fighting Queen) without dying, damn i even managed to pacify Spamton NEO at my first try! (not before emptying my entire inventory tho).
So, the "Power of NEO" is actually quite the thing, but is incapable of manifesting very well in real space, which is what lead to Mettaton NEO being a wuss..
Seems to be a case about the concept not being able to be brought to life, like a school project with no teammates, the plan to make an energy shield around the United States or Deltarune without extra workers.
So, the lore with this, Deltarune-universe Mettaton designed it in MSPaint (apparently represented by Swatch and the Swatchlings), but it was abandoned/deleted until it was found and used by Spamton
Jevil motif, even his theme used toby's voice samplings
On a no mercy run, you usually want to be defending with Ralsei because he has the lowest ATK, and the TP gained is a better investment than the straight damage because it contributes to Rude Buster. That is, until you actually beat Spamton and he gains more ATK than Kris.
I feel sad for him in the pacifist ending...
looking at the lore of spamton and sans I'm convinced the most coolest characters are all depressed
Spamton looks like Coraline’s Other Mother when he dies in pacifist.
"Dark, dark, yet darker"
"Big, big, bigger and better"
Paranoia.
tip: the words in the [square brackets] hint toward the attack he uses,
keep an eye for words in the [square brackets]!
I love that his ramblings also call his attacks in a literal sense. Like when he says he's gonna have a heart attack and then attacks your heart with his. Or when he talks about being a Big Shot and then shoots big projectiles.
I like how This Guy Walks Like Minecraft Steve Lol
undertale:bad time
deltarune:big shot
the part that confuses me the most is how kris manifested the justice trait out of nowhere
NOW YOUR REALLY A BIG SHOT!
when you realize the "genocide" isn't the real genocide version of this fight...
you can fight him in snowgrave route,at the fountain too, except its an only kris version so you dont got your friends
When i saw this part first i thought "since they're in a digital world, it is possible that somehow in some way, theres a game similar to Undertale in this universe and that's why in this specific chapter there's this part that looks like the ruins? Not only that, his design is like a poor attempt of Mettaton Neo, almost as if he recovered corrupted data and made a corpse out of it and has a lot of shared attacks"
But who knows, aside of that, there's also this connection with Jevil which they both went crazy/corrupted after talking to this "Mysterious man" (some day it could be Gaster) and it seems they give you a "Shadow Crystal" (not sure if Jevil gives you one) and also the fact that Spamton has shared motifs of the Mettaton Neo theme and Ghost Battle one
If you talk to Swatch after fighting Spamton NEO, he tells you that Spamton's body was designed by a Lightner (with Swatch's help, since he's a digital art program), so it's very heavily implied this IS what would have been Mettaton's NEO body in this universe; it's just a digital drawing in the computer lab
Spamton NEO...
I can hear The Power of NEO and Vs Mad Dummy in his theme
there’s also some World revolving in there
Of course someone's already done it. Just incredible work.
I just realized the way the spam tons are ordered they look like Asgors fork
I should’ve known that deltatune in a chapter about cybernetic stuff would’ve had a NEO form
11:30 So is this what they mean by the secret boss of each chapter revealing the antagonist for the next chapter? I've heard a lot about mike, but now it's brought up in the battle itself.
there's a lot of people wondering how a no hit run surfaced in the last 48 hours since chp 2's release:
*some people like to play touhou on lunatic difficulty and enjoy it*
Never played touhou, what is lunatic difficulty?
since the soul is supposed to be us. it turning into the yellow soul once it saw spamton looking like mettaton makes a whole lot more sense.
You forgot about the true genocide form. It's a 1v1 but you get a double tap move
This is not only impressive that not only did this come out so quickly within the initial release, but also because they didn't even use the OP Cheese method to beat him hitless
Sure you can no-hit the bossfight, but can you no-hit the goddamned hellevator before it?
12:13 *the way Kris spins 💀*
He has high sensivity
*MENACING*
Here to pray for all those people who got this recommended before they got a chance to play chapter 2 and were thus instantly spoiled.
It seems like spamton’s theme is a mixture of spider dance, the world revolving, and NEO. Jeeze Toby is creative.