BMW i5 Standard Driver Assistance Test! You’re Going To Want To Pay Up For The Full System
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2024
- Kyle, Max, and Jordan test out the driver's assistance suite on the BMW i5 eDrive40. Notably, the included ADAS instead of Driver's Assistance Pro.
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00:00 Hello & Welcome
06:06 Testing Procedures - Setting Up The Car
09:00 - Medical Emergency Simulation - Driver Takeover Request
10:34 - Test Starts - First Attempt
13:57 - Test Restart / First Half
30:42 - Second Half / Return Trip
47:32 - Final Score, Thoughts, Impressions
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I hope you get one with the full system, and repeat this test soon!
I custom ordered my i5 back in February and was definitely influenced by your initial review from Portugal. I just picked up my BMW i5 edrive40 last Saturday and drove it 2.5hrs home! Mine is spec'd with the premium package (incudes ACC stop & go + Active Drive Assistant) and thought it was plenty capable for my needs! in my system, when the car is in ADA, it recognizes speed limit changes and will flash 'set' on the instrument cluster to prompt you to adjust the cruise control speed to the new speed limit. It won't do it automatically, but does prompt you to make the change.
Wow I just got my i5 m6 last Saturday too. I love this car!! First electric.. really amazing car. Congrats.
“It’s 5.7 seconds to sixty, so not exactly quick.” 12:30
If you’d said this among a group of gear heads 20 years ago, everyone would have thought you were an insufferable prick. 😂 Today it’s painfully accurate for EVs.
Kyle, please do a comparison of all FSD-like systems: Tesla, GM, F, BMW, Mercedes, Toyota and Rivian. This would make for exceptional content.
Bmw doesn't do FSD similar options. It's a drivers car.
@@michaelmlt They do offer level 3 up to 60kph/37mph in Germany since April, so its only good for stop and go traffic but still a big step forward. Their level 2 system is hands-off, which means that you do not need to touch the steering wheel anymore, not even periodically, and you can accept lane changes by looking into the side mirror without the use of a button. So it is kinda like level 2+. Mercedes wants to up the speed of their level 3 system to 90kph/56mph on highways across the world until the end of this year, so they are one step ahead of BMW, but not that far away. BMW has pretty good driver's assistance overall. The real driver's car is a Porsche.
None of them are FSD-like. No other manufacturer besides Tesla is doing surface street turn by turn driver assist. But that said BMW and Mercedes are offering Level 3 on freeways in some markets and hands free on freeways everywhere like some of the others you listed.
@@CheddarKungPao Mercedes is testing exactly that in China actually. The difference is that Teslas system is stupid and uses lots of training data to mimic certain driving styles according to the conditions. Mercedes' system evaluates the situation in real time. I would not bet that Tesla will be first of the car manufacturers to offer certified level 4 driving. Besides that the google company Waymo alread has limited level 4 autonomous driving
@@bullshitbingo2259 they may be testing that in china but my point was it's not something that you can buy today in the US or Europe. It'll come eventually, sure. Waymo isn't really Level 4. They have humans watching every car, they're just in a remote location.
27:00 where it's showing "set" next to the speed limit in the gauge cluster it is offering to adjust the speed to match the speed limit. If you hit the "set" button on the wheel it would adjust the speed. Agree with the overall conclusion to get DAPP, though.
Hope you get one with the driving assistance pro package soon! I’d love to see the eye tracking lane changes in action
Can’t wait for a review of the EX30 and see how it fairs on the driver assistance test.
Judging from Bjorn' video it's not that good.
EX30 is a nice car but the software is a big disappointment 👎
love your testing of vehicles, keep it coming, and there's 4 critics in this one, loving it
Good for a base system
Great review guys. Enjoy the Kyle, Jordan, Max show.
This is all i would ever want for an EV. Pure comfort luxury and looks great. Plenty of passing speed, good handling.. then when i want to have fun on the weekend ill enjoy a nice real engaging visceral sports car.
You guys were talking about comparable sedans and their Driver Assistance systems. I'm not sure if you mentioned the Lucid Air Pure. Have you tested that one?
Great video as always, I wonder if bonus points could be scored for being able to drive on city streets, obviously since not many systems can do this, (Tesla, maybe a couple others) it couldn't be part of the main scoring and test, but as driver assist systems get better and better I think this could be an interesting and useful differentiator
Can we see Kyles Model S Plaid once the FSD version 12.5 is out with full neural nets for highway driving ? The current versions are supposedly still hyrestics for highway. Neural nets for city.
It’s so weird that the ACC won’t adjust to the speed limit… I feel like that’s such a basic function. Even my 2017 A4 has that function.
I have a month old new Mini Countryman S E Sport BEV with the Level 3 option pack and it also has this same system as part of the option pack. I have only one issue with it - the distance to the next vehicle in mid mode is too close to the car in front on normal roads at up to 60mph. I haven’t tried it yet on a U.K. motorway but there are 4 distance to the car in front settings - minimum, mid, max and adaptive. I have a 250 miles road trip on motorways all the way this Thursday and will have a play with them all. The Distance Control Adaptive cruise is very smart and will slow the car approaching junctions and roundabouts. My Countryman has the eye tracking- it’s a pain!
Regarding the cornering drop outs - in the Countryman I can change the tightness of the cornering - could you have it set to too shallow a cornering setting for the road?
Can you guys please add which version of the software you are rating to the spreadsheet? Year, make, model are good information for hardware, but this exact BMW can act completely differently in a month or two with potential OTA/Dealer software updates.
Love my EQS 580 that performs very smooth lane changes simply by flipping directional signal. Tesla should offer it as standard equipment in model S/X.
Looking forward to a car that saves my life when i die.
😅
I love your in-depth videos but occasionally one doesn’t get me excited enough to watch the whole thing (like this one) but I’d love a summary still. Maybe “Out of Spec Summaries” channel? Cut the longer videos into 5-10 min highlight reals?
Shoudl try try i4M50. You original test said it pingponged. Mine seems to be solid. Then again, i have drivers assistance pro.
Also, speed limit cruise control i think can be set.
How does the capacitive sensing of the steering wheel work? I have noticed that at certain times it does not sense a light touch but after a while it has a high sensitivity. It gets frustrating to be constantly warned to take hold of the steering wheel when I'm already holding it.
27:06 the speed limit adjustment setting you have been playing with is in effect in this part of the video. If you have it set to manual it will just show you what it thinks the current speed limit is and that’s it BUT the other option you thought was auto adjust isn’t. When the speed you are traveling is different than the posted speed limit plays whatever offset you chose in settings, SET will appear next to the displayed speed limit. If you press Set on the steering wheel it will adjust to the posted speed limit plus the offset you chose in settings.
The speed adjust is manual. The car reads the speed limits, you can offset the speed on the screen but you need to accept every time there's a speed limit change.
So if I am driving east when the sun is rising I can't use the driver assistance system? Is this peculiar to the i5 or all ADAS'
How well would an automated driving system handle a lot of bugs like in Florida and other locations? I've been on trips where you could barely see and the entire front of the vehicle plastered in bugs. One reason I always Rain-X my windows other than the benefits in rain obviously. 🤔🌎❤️🕺🏻🐶
distance from car in front should be a time period - 2 seconds for me, when I am driving. I would want more for the self driving if I have to supervise. And less if it is good enough.
Some days I think about how a car would work for me. I’ve understood cars since I was four years old and I enjoy driving my current Renault Zoe.
Would be interesting to see the Comma AI openpilot compared to OEM driver assistance performance!
To data document add video link to those cars
25:36 Having to go into the menu to adjust the cruise control distance is poor. I had a rental Ford Fusion in 2019 that had the adjustment on the steering wheel - completely intuitive, I'd never used such a system before and figured it out as I was using it.
Why were you in B mode when you were just cruising on the highway? Shouldn't you be in D mode?
Just curious.
I thought B mode is more beneficial in urban driving in stop start situations.
While on driver assistance it should make no difference as the car is the one who decides how to break or not.
My i5 with DA Plus ,(std in Denmark) one level down from Pro does automatically adjust to speed limits completely by itself. Maybe a EU thing, surprised the one you test doesn’t.
Lucid Air Pure?
This point system sounds like what Bjorn does.m great videos thou
I would love to see written articles even if locked behind paywall
Just learned on Kyle's Dad's channel that a BMW was the first car that Kyle was responsible for crashing.. He caused his Mom the fall asleep at the wheel of her BMW when she was pregnant with him.
Oh they fixed the front end finally.
Thx guys. To run FSD against these lower tier systems would be unfair. Standard Autopilot would be fine which might do better in the same light situation but no lane changes I think. The EQE is going to suffer around sharper bends. This battle is awesome 😎
I’d like to see the Hummer do this test with blue cruise.
I've had BMW's. At this price point, I would go with a Lucid Pure or Touring instead. More car for your buck$$.
Highway 17 in the bay area is way "worse" than that 🙂
Don’t get me wrong!! My classic car is a 1935 Volkswagen Beetle before the company Volkswagen was formed by Royal Engineer Ivan Hirst.
And by the way, I’m living in Hertfordshire, United Kingdom. Yes, I have visited the United States once and went to Shelbyville, Indiana.
30:25 I’ve never had my Model 3 disengage or freak out when the sub is shining bright on it at any angle.
How did this ui what they have (huge full screen icons , small labels in menu) even pass acceptance criteria, it looks so useless and behind our time 5-7 years
13:57 ..aaaaaaaaaaaaand Ryan is gone. :DD
great review. need to have Alyssa back for her POV.
Just sharing my experience with FSD over a year in Las Vegas, there hasn’t been a single time it is bothered by sun glare. 2023 MYP here.
I cannot accept this system and call it safe. I am talking about the way how do you engage and disengage it.
I call fowl
Can it take turn by turn in the city?
The "self driving" works well unless the sun is shining. Got it.
I see you filled the vehicle with your crew, so if the driver assistance fails, the whole crew goes off the cliff......
Over here in the United Kingdom, the BMW is thought of as a driver’s car. It is also thought of as a car beloved by crooks!!
I would not care about all of the other junk options only crewscontroll and that is the most important thing the other stuff is disable we are relying on the new technology too much and that sucks.
Sincerely!
R.S.V.
5.77 to 60mph? For $77k??? Wth
Heated seats subscription anyone? They manage to pull dumb shit like this and with weird ass designs lately lol. Bring back the old BMW.
Why aren’t these features standard like Tesla
What features?
Tesla Model S - $77K
Better autopilot/driver assistance
390 miles of range
0-60 in 3.1 seconds
AWD
BMW i5 - $77K
280 miles range
0-60 in 5.7 seconds
RWD
BMW might have a nicer interior/build quality, but way behind Tesla on all the essential specs.
Hasn't it been questioned that Tesla has over hyped their ranges?
My i4M50 is dual motor and average 100% SOC is 265. I've had the guess-o-meter up to 310. Price $73k
@michaelmlt it's like any electric car, highly susceptible to factors like temperature, elevation changes, speed etc. I had a pre-refresh Model S Performance and now a Plaid, the older one was off much more but the new one has a heat pump and tends to be pretty spot on if I'm not speeding/blasting off lights (which tends to happen fairly often).
@@Cttechexpress completely agree.
For most people, RWD is enough. AWD is actually disadvantageous in normal driving conditions due to its weight penalty. Also it’s mechanically more complex so more things can break. On the days when you need it, using snow socks for snowy conditions and driving slow will suffice for most normal snow conditions.
On the plus side, for car enthusiasts, RWD is less confining and more playful, and if you don’t know what I’m talking about, I cannot help you. It comes from driving experience, that’s all I can say. Kyle does allude to it in this video, and a few others from what I can remember in his out of spec reviews.
Also, Tesla’s range is not 390, more like 330, it’s been tested many times. Tesla exaggerates their range, it’s well known, by now.
Lastly, 0-60 is not the only measure of a car. Ride and handling compromise, nimbleness in corners, NVH control, interior and exterior quality are all pieces that make up a good car.
On most of those things I listed, Tesla is a big fail.
@zetairez AWD is not more complicated in an EV because there is no mechanical linkage. The Tesla also includes almost every available option for that price - not nickel and diming customers on options a la BMW. One vehicle being almost double in the 0-60 is one example of many, of how the performance of the BMW can't hold a candle to even the base Model S, not to mention the Plaid for $10K more which is one of the fastest accelerating vehicles ever made. My mistake btw, rated range on a standard Model S is 405 miles - you can deny reality but it's nowhere near as low as 330 miles. Real world range tests of the standard Model S have varied between 400 and 350 miles. Either way, significantly more than the BMW i5. Which makes sense since the i5 has an 84 kWh battery while the Tesla has a 100 kWh battery.
The BMW i5 also only charges at 205kW, compared to 250kW in a Model S. The Model S has significantly more cargo room thanks to the sportback design - more than a Ford Escape. Did I mention the BMW has a worse app with little to no meaningful software updates? BMW needs to come out with a "gen 2" that isn't an electric motor snd batteries jammed into an ICE platform. I wish then well.
I personally think that most American cars are better looking and better suited to many different types of driving than the BMW models will ever be.
The best cars are made by Germans, Italians and Japanese.
Biggest haircutphobia ever witnessed 😅 Sorry Kyle
I paid for the BMW driver assistance system in the tech pack on my M4. Most of the features don’t even work or are supported. It’s a fucking joke.
My i4 is amazing.
@@michaelmlt I’m sure you have same system as me. Not sure what’s amazing about it. It basically can follow the car in front and change speed based on limits and conditions. Passable at best.
@@mattx4253 when you come from the world of Honda and Toyota PHEVs, it is amazing. It's more car than I've ever owned before. I can set the speed for speed limit but haven't tried to see if it will adjust. I don't need self driving. Drivers here on i-495 suck. I'm more more adventurous than I'd trust a vehicle autonomy to do. This vehicle is a well-rounded drivers car. It's not perfect probably in any way but overall it doesn't fail at anything either. If we're going to continuously compare the i4, i5, i7, XM, or anything else to Tesla models then of course it's gonna look overpriced and lacking. Tesla has been slashing prices constantly to be competitive with Chinese government funded companies.
“Works perfectly fine on straight roads” lol what a joke of a system
Neah, not going to pay BMW for anything anymore. They can keep their subscriptions for themselves. Also the most important BMW for the EU market is the 3 series not the 5.
You can buy and own an option like before, and BMW has changed some of their stuff following the bad reputation. But meanwhile, basically everyone of the premium brands are offering it, and so far BMW are on the better side of the spectrum where you can choose 1) not to buy an option, 2) buy an option or 3) buy an option "preparation" to unlock it by subscription afterwards, but option 3 only exists for a limited selection of options. Meanwhile others only offer certain features through subscription plans.
🫡 it’s comments section not airport, no need to say goodbye
@@pauljiang5378lol love that response 😂
XPeng are doing a good job for VW
You repeat that on everyone's video.
Getting repetitive and trite!
@@harmony3138 Ok
all you had to do was block the sensor lol
BMW doesn’t make cars that I want!! My next electric vehicle is going to be a small camper, most likely to be a Vauxhall Combo Life Electric with the Wheelhome Vikenze III conversion.
Idk how bmw got so ugly
Compare this BMW i5 with a Tesla Model S and it becomes irrelevant. Performance, efficiency, equipment for the price.... Tesla model S wins by a mile.
Bmw looks bette, actually has luxury interior, plenty of passing speed, actually has a HUD and 360 cam, better audio system, more comfortable, etc.. now if ur using ur EV as a poor mans quick car then yea the tesla has it beat. But if u have a real sports car on the side and want a luxury cruiser then this is the no brainer best option. Or the new taycan which is both faster then the tesla plaid and still has all the above mentioned for the bmw.
Nah...I'll just take a bus.
5 series must get discontinued. Like rest of the BMWs it is an overpriced POS. A confused car, it is not a sport car, and not a comfy sedan. Its for loser dads or older widows 😂. I'd be happy to pay the same amount for a 10 years old BENTLEY CONTINENTAL FLYING SPUR !
Kyle, please do what @saul_bloom said