Less is More? Taking Grizzly with a SMALLER Cartridge (30-06 vs 375 H&H)
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I had long wanted to hunt grizzly in Alaska, and finally saved enough to pay for the hunt. There’s a lot to consider when contemplating a grizzly hunt, from the gun to the cartridge, terrain, and location. With all this mind, my guide asked me 2 questions. Find out how I answered them in this video (and why I chose the SMALLER cartridge to take my once in a life time Grizzly!).
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A lot of old timers used 30-06 back in the day. Worked well back then. Still will work today.
I think being scared and frightened is a learned response. After being around some of those old timers who had ice in their veins.
Old school cartridge + old school bullet=success! I really liked the way you placed such an emphasis on being both competent and familiar with your rifle/cartridge of choice. In the end, only hits count and I've seen hunters try to crutch their lack of accuracy with an oversized magnum and the result is a wounded animal. Not a good situation especially with a dangerous creature at close range.
Nowadays it's expensive to shoot big rifles as well. I have a 375h&h and a box of shells costs 150 bucks here in Canada. A decade ago you could get the same box for 80. If you don't reload you can go broke quick shooting said rifles. 30-06 is cheaper to shoot and has less recoil. Easier to become more proficient with the latter cartridge in today's economy.
They are both old school cartridges 1912 and 1906
Repeating TH-cam Groupie Parrot mouth talk is a bad idea and makes you look very stupid.
Hunters don't by a magnum rifle to substitute for their own lack of firearms skills and in fact a new shooter starting with a magnum either may do aright or become recoil shy.
To tame recoil muzzle breaks, work wonders.
I recently had a rifle in 300 Wby mag installed a muzzle break that reduced the recoil to a 308.
That what you said is a Parrot mouth BS by the most ignorant teenagers making up crap to write
I've seen a 10 footer drop and not a twitch from 1 round from a 270 Winchester at 100 yards, I've seen bears get 10 rounds from a belted magnums. Depends if you can shoot what you are shooting.
There is nothing wrong with honesty and level headed humbleness. You did very great.. Your guide as well.. Here in Namibia the 30 - 06 has a great reputation as a very capable round.. You proved it.. Thank you sir.. A pleasure watching your very well presented contribution to adventuring your northern. Ost outdoors..
Thank you!
Eie . !
You’re talking out the side of your mouth. I don’t care what you use to take down pygmy hippos in Namibia, that caliber simply won’t cut it when you’re dealing with a real predator. I wish you hadn’t chimed in with your opinion, because it is going to get someone killed.
I think a 35 Whelen would make a great brown bear rifle.
Oh yes, I think you're right!
Or 338/06
@@greybone777you can't find ammo though
@@bigjon576 I can buy now 35 Wheelen ammo at any store that sells ammo in Oregon.
I agree...a 338-06 under certain loads can best the Whelen by a hundred fps or so...but being proficient with whatever cartridge you use is key...I own both a 35 Whelen and a 338-06 ... I'd be very hard pressed to choose between them for a brown bear hunt.
'76 Wyoming, I took huge Mule Deer w/old 19th Century sporterized 7mm w/off-hand shot quartering to right, at soon-to-be dead run buck half mile away. Rancher's Son on scope called, "That's a miss", but rancher waited for bullet to arrive when buck tumbled azz over tea kettle. Rancher asked Son, "Hit or miss?" Son shouted, It's a hit Daddy,...and he's down. Got worse when gutting deer, Rancher Ray claimed "His" heart, & it had hole thru center of it! They was busy losin' ranch, so upon our arrival 6 days prior, I had passed hat among hunters for funds to repair combine, 3 grain trucks, tractor, and old pickup. Tractor no-fire & Combine even had main conveyer belt ripped in half, plus blown 305ci motor. Fortunately, both Red Junk (Farmall) so no demand for needed parts at equipment dealer for years & found everything we needed including Chevy 327 motor. Hunter had assigned 16 year old son to me, (10 years my younger), so dealer gave price of $200, & we pulled parts before he changed his mind! I forgot also needed front tire for tractor as well, and Dealer said if could pull parts that day, we could have pair of like new tires for it for $25. As we left, Dealer asked if Ray would lose his wheat crop? I said, "Not if we can help it"!! Ray had young real Indian lad helpin' w/ranch, so he spoke to his Dad & Uncle, & here came couple strong tribal Braves they'd sent over. Wow, what a Chief send!!! There were many thousand acres of wheat waiting, so we really hopped to!! Finished combine's engine swap, then swapped out all the belts, to find Dad had repaired a grain trucks engine, & got load of fuel brought out with last of our money. Dad operated Combine & helper drove truck for grain, while rest of us whammed out necessary repairs, & even got old pickup's dump box workin', w/new sides and all. We had 4 trucks on haul!! End of 3rd day harvesting, Dad pulled Combine in barn, and before he'd come out, it started snowing!! Next day was 1st day of season when bagged above mentioned buck. After 5 days straight of very strenuous labor, I was exhausted. At 26 should have been in better shape, but I wasn't. Mrs. Ray cooked up noon meal special for me, & it was lights out until middle of next morning. Rancher Ray said we had company, so got my schtuff together and met the local Indian Chiefs. Ray's Helper had spilled his guts to 'em about that half mile shot, so they was there to ask for help w/huge Grizzley threatening their Tribal Members. I humored 'em, but couldn't believe Grizzlies grew that big. They said had tried hunting it, but claimed Bear even ate Shy Anne, and immediate my guy hot blood boiled...the nerve of that bass turd!! I wanted to ice that sucker, but told 'em no can do as out-of-state permits not unavailable now, and local Johnny Law would run jme into jail in a heartbeat. Older Chief pulled his County Sherrif's Badge out, and Brother pulled his Tribal Conservation Director Badge, and I was Trumped. I told them would have to do it at night, w/big bonfire on Tribal Grounds, or it would be a no-go...& although we'd be good friends, I wasn't gonna cut my hand so we could be Blood Brothers! They had a good laugh at my expense, with Older Chief tellin' Rancher Ray I had watched too many movies, as weren't gonna be cuttin' their hands either! I felt like a complete wuss, but both Chiefs chanted and patted my rifle handing it back to me. Conservation Director Chief said had agreed to protect me, but I stated I was still gonna take it along with me! All was ready that evening, & Braves had cut shtload of wood. I was dropped off on other side of bear's territory and tramped thru the place to really piss 'em off, then lit my fire setting up inside half moon of big limbs driven into ground by Braves. Looked like a no-go, but at 1:15, here he comes, circled around fire area stopped w/perfect silhouette, BANG, & he dropped right there. I held tight, even though colder that a witches...well you know, but couple hours later equally huge Grizzley came down his brothers tracks. He was very very cautious, but stopped to sniff bro's head, and BANG, he dropped right there. Two perfect head shots, not waiting for three, so blew the hell out of my rape whistle! By quarter after four AM, half the tribe had shown up! Older Chief had 20th Century Fox with him who had warmed soup for me and Thermos of coffee too! She split though, so mentioned to Chief, "Looks like an excellent place to be The Chief, as she's quite a gal!! Chief started to tear up sayin', she's not my Wife, but was my Daughter-in-Law until Grizzley ate my Son. He was 11th out of 12 Cheyanne Braves to be eaten by Bear. I never did see Shy Anne who the bear had allegedly ate as well!! With Sister fetched, I was warmed for best part of hour, with camper's heater helping a bunch as well. Back at our Motorhome, I thought I could get some sleep with folks out hunting, but at 8am couple wild Indians bangin' on the door. Invited 'em in for coffee and told how sht was gonna be! Seein' as these guys owned the town of Cheyanne, main drag was backeraded & closed off for festival. All these Indians had their own merch set up for the Tourist Trade, & this "Killed the Bear Festival" was gonna be a money maker!! They had Gals that could sew there, so whipped me out buckskin outfit, put Indian colored makeup on me, gave me moccasins, plopped full War Bonnet on my head, and told me not to say a word. First day ever for me to keep a straight face!! Folks was back from another fruitless day of huntin', they flipped on tele, there was this big Festival up town, I was frickin' gone, & there they were!! Screw home cookin' as they was goin' out & heard they spent over $30 eating there!! They hit the display with 2 older Chiefs and the Tribe's Great Hunter w/both huge Grizzlies for backdrop. It cost 'em $40 bucks to have their photos taken with them (us). After photos taken, Mom exclaimed, "Our Son has a rifle just like that"! Older Chief asked, "Is he a good shot"? She answered, "He was taught to shoot by a Gangster when only two, and haven't seen him miss yet! Chief said, "When next time you see him, you may ask him if he would like to join our tribe, I am sure he would be welcome!! Mom said would pass that along, & when returned at 1AM, that's the 1st thing she told me, and oh yeah, she could hardly wait to see the photos she'd ordered!!! Although Mom great shot, I couldn't say she was Great Hunter, because that was me!!
I just finished reading North American Head Hunting by Grancel Fitz. Imo, a very good read. He used the 30-06 to take all North American big game, including an Alaskan Brown Bear.
That was almost 70 years ago, well before the advancements in the powders & projectiles we have now.
I will always love the 30-06. Powerful, yet manageable.
I heard an interview with an Alaskan outfitter who has been a brown bear guide outfitter for over forty years. He said that he has seen more big bears taken with the 06 than any other cartridge. He did say always premium bullets were used. !! 👍👍
I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t use premium or super-premium bullets on such a hunt, regardless of the cartridge used. Those hunts are expensive, and the animals are big & tough. It’s no time to try to save ten bucks on bullets.
My Winchester model 70 XTR 30/06 loves 200 gr. Partitions. I'm ladder testing. So far I'm safely at 2450 fps.
I'm a sucker for the venerable .30-06. It was my first "deer rifle"... given to me by my now deceased grandfather. So anytime there is talk about the cartridge my ear prick up.... especially in a woodstocked model 700, like mine. It also helps that its a good all around caliber. Its got enough punch, not too heavy recoil, good frontal diameter, and still fast enough to reach out at distance if need be
A 35 Whelen would have been a great choice also! I liked that story. Congratulations!
35 Whelen is great! And thank you.
30-06 still works.
338 Federal in a short handy rifle for Browns is what I use. Peninsula bears in the spring or fall when it's open. Shots generally in the 50 yard range.
That's a great, but under-appreciated cartridge.
@@guyminer3168 ya, if only federal would start selling the 200gr trophy bonded tips again. Haven't been available in 4 years. At least as bullets. They'll sell you loaded ammo that's really weak though.
@@z987k - I understand it's a great hunting bullet. What do you use for brown bear?
@@guyminer3168 That's the bullet I use. I've got about 25 loaded left. Looking ahead thinking I'll never see them again, I bought some apex afterburners in 200gr and I'll see how those shoot and maybe switch. Extends the range a bit with the great bc for weight.
I’ve met so many hunters who have not only missed, but also had a very detailed list of reasons why, to include sun in their eyes, bad ammo, etc.. For him to not only admit to missing (by 3 feet no less!) but to not offer an excuse tells me everything thing I need to know about his character. Excellent video and presentation!
Well thank you! I missed, no doubt about it. Then the 2nd shot was likely a kill shot, through the front leg and into the lungs, but grizz was still going and we very much wanted to keep it from reaching the tight cover of the willows... It was a pretty wild 45 seconds, 7 days into the hunt.
I was listening to an interview with a professional guide in Alaska, he killed an 800 pound bear who attacked his fishing clients with a 9mm pistol. He also said he guided a bear hunter with a 270 and killed it with one shot. Proper bullets and shot placement is everything.
That's Phil Shoemaker. He helped steer me towards a hunt for interior grizz instead of the big coastal brown bears because the interior hunts are quite challenging and more what I was seeking. He's also a big proponent of the 30-06, and I quoted him in my story. Phil is top notch, I have great respect for his opinion.
As a 30 years Alaskan and for that time I guided Yukon Moose and brown bears hunts.
I believe Shoemaker is a liar like so many of those old guides I did contract work for.
I found in that interview many lies Shoemaker made.
To be wandering around brown bear turf with a 9 mm or deer guns is asking to get yourself or a client killed then face a life changing lawsuit against the guide for componence!
When you are held responsible for every client's life you don't screw around not even joke around in camp because in the US you can be sued for everything.
One guide I did work for the guide dropped of a client at camp them when coming back to camp was found the client got into the kitchen and cut himself across the hand.
The client sued the guided for him cutting himself and the judge held the guide responsible for $200.000 judgement against the guide for not in control of the camp when clients are in the camp.
So, forget all of the drunk bar room stories told use some better responsibility common sense.
@@lurebenson7722 a deer gun? A 30-06 will kill anything that walks on the earth with proper bullets. Shot placement is the most important thing.
@@ryanehlis426 You just show your total ignorance of being a TH-cam Groupie Parrot mouth talker and never in your life every touched a real gun because at under 13 years old you can't own guns.
I am 64 years old woke gay num nuts and since 1978 my occupation has been a professional hunting guide working the Pacific NW - Alaska and in Romania.
I have watched these deer guns like the 30-06 cause so much trouble to put down game and an idiot client using a deer gun 30-06 on a Yukon Moose that moose nearly killed me because the 180 grain Nosler Partition from the 30-06 didn't have the power to go past the ribs of the moose.
Stop repeating Parrot mouth Nonsense when you have no hunting experience of your own.
When applying both .30-06 and ..270 on deer, I found both to have excess power by the buckets full. With adjustments in bullet type and weight, both cartridges have enough raw power on tap to at worst be adequate for much bigger game than deer.
hitting a vital area is the key. a .270 will work w right loads. second shots matter in a pinch as well.
Great choice in rifle selection & Projectile! Classic winning combination Guy!
I love the videos on this channel partly because the information is delivered in a very calm, relaxing, and conversational manner. Which makes it all the more jarring when, at the end of the videos, you get dropped into an auditory assault completely incongruous with the tone of the video up to that point.
Great video Guy! Anyone that doubts the 30-06 missed their history class.
I have taken to Grizzlies and one Alaskan Brown Bear. All with a 340 Weatherby Mag. All with multiple shots. On the Brown Bear I shot the right front shoulder. The guide shot the left front shoulder and it took a 3rd to finish it
Nice Bear!
They are incredible animals!
Nice review Guy and I like what you showed what Phil said about the 30-06 and I agree 100%.
Well done all the way around, solid choices decided on for the right reasons. Good job focusing on your prep. Thats so key. I know the guides appreciate it!
You should do audio books, would love listening to your stories during my commute.
Yeah that would be great!
I'm a BIG fan of both the 30-06 & the .375 H&H...That said, i have killed a coastal brownie & an Alaska-Yukon moose w/ the .375 H&H. My rifle is a 'vanilla' Whitworth Mauser w/ the old long tube 1.75-6x Leupold scope. Barrel has been Mag-Na-Ported (4- port slots) and wears a black Pachmeyer Declerator recoil pad. Ammo was 300gr Fail Safe bullet pushed by RL15 . One shot broadside behind the shoulder @ 144yd. Bear ran about 60-70 yd in waist high grass, we heard the "death moan/wail" then waited 10 min before following up .... Bear was a boar that was just shy of 9 feet . Hunt was in Sept of 2004. Never killed anything bigger than whitetail w/ the '06 but would NOT hesitate to hunt moose or brown bear using the 200gr Partition in the '06 .
Great story, thanks for sharing! I’m glad you discussed your preparation physically and training with the rifle you planned to use. I feel the same way.
And I suspect that I'd have been just as happy with my 375 rifle. So many great cartridges, rifles and bullets from which to choose!
Really enjoyed your video. Made a lot of sense. I don't currently own a 30-06, but I love them. I have a 7mm rem mag, but I truly believe a 30-06 would easily do anything I needed to do.
I'm a big fan of the 7mm Rem Mag as well. It's another hunting cartridge that just flat works.
Funny thing is I have 3 of those cartridges. 30-06, 338 wm and 375 h&h
Proper loaded bullet and powder with a reliable firearm and shot placement. Be comfortable and trust your rifle, load, and yourself to perform at critical and stressful situation.
Excellent video, love hearing these hunting stories. Thanks Guy!
Thank you!
Very Interesting. You covered All the questions with excellent analysis. Great adventure !
great example of relevancy of the oldies but goodies 30-06, 7x57 even 6.5 swede and 7.5x55 swiss all capabe and still ready to serve after more than a century, and great recounting of an exciting hunt!
Congratulations on a great hunt and a fantastic adventure!!!
Thank you. It was terrific! I've been to Alaska to fish several times and once to backpack. Saw bears every trip. I've wanted to do this hunt for decades. This time I drove up and back, camping along the way. It was a wonderful adventure.
Outstanding video presentation! Thank you for posting it!
Thank you!
Hey Guy really loving your content and thoughtfully communicated words. Stoked to see your next video! This Grizzly hunt you went on sounded awesome!
Thank you. I'll probably never do anything comparable to the grizzly hunt again. It was a once in a lifetime experience.
Shoot the gun that you shoot the best ! ( practice is everything ! )🇨🇦
Yes.
Great presentation and commentary. I have used a 300 Win Mag precisely to have an extra 100 yard range over an 06 for many years, but only because I hunted 'bean field' Whitetails where the range can go long from the get go. I have a 375 H&H I got for big bear, but being much older now, I probably couldn/t it carry too too far. Years ago my older brother fished Alaska/Canada and had with him an old Britsh SMLE 303. He stocked it with 215 grain soft points and a few 175 grain FMJ's. He later had a custom 30-06 made off a Springfield action, and felt very comfortable in the field should he cross paths with bears.
If im ever lucky enough to go grizzly hunting I would not hesitate to take my 30-06 loaded with 180 TTSX
Foolish
@@omargonzalez4919 99% of these idiots talking ignorance using deer guns on AK brown bears are east coast deer hunters who think the deer gun 30-06 is a cannon and Alaskan bears are not bigger than Great Dane dogs.
I know this because when I was guiding brow bear hunts stupid east coast clients seeing for the first time a brown bear couldn't believe their eyes and often, I told the client that is just a 1-year-old brown bear!
I had clients Pee their pants seeing an adult brown bear or shoot then throw the gun and run because the bear went nuts being shot.
East coast people are dealing with a very special kind of stupid!
Congratulations,great story. Big 30-06 fan myself
Thanks!
Great video - great description of the hunt.
Right on Guy! Always enjoy your videos!
Thanks!
People who think 6.5cm isn't enough for deer have either never used one or are unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
6.5cm? Thats 65mm, you hunt deer with an antiaircraft gun? Kidding :)
@@massmike11 lol
That has NOTHING to do with this discussion.
He brings up the 65. How so?
And who cares?! Call the comment police
Great information on a fantastic bear hunt. Jack O Connor used to write a lot about the effectiveness of the good ole 06! Thanks!
Awesome story Guy. Being humble in admitting the excitement led to the miss shows your character. I had that happen on a huge white tail buck. Probably the biggest buck I have seen in our area. Dont know wether or not I will ever go bear hunting but i have the old tried and trued 06, a 7 rem mag and I am currently thinking of building a 338/06 for an elk hunt. I cant take the beating on my broken down shoulders anymore to take anything more powerful even with a good muzzle break or suppresor.
Congratulations! Appreciate the perspective and the experience.
Thank you.
Hello Guy!!
I just finished a few 30/06 videos. Seems ta be something in the air!!
Posting early next month. ❤❤
Great video. Honest that’s why I follow this channel.
Thanks!
Great dialog..
Best presentation I've seen so far from you, guy. "..
I’m with ya…like fine wine..just keeps gettin better
Great story! The interesting thing is how much emphasis was placed on shootability, and yet Bear fever got ya. Got me once, too.
Great story and well told 😊
Thanks, it was a great hunt.
Great story the good old 30-06 takes em all
Great video, thanks. Im a fan of the ole 06
Have shot two brownies with 06 loaded with 200 grain solid butt boat tail one shot kills
Great info. Thanks!!!! I’ve had a model 70 in the .375 H&H but I also have a model 70 in the 30.06 which I shoot very well. I would choose my .06.
30/06 for that criterion speaks for itself. I’d also like to add the 300WSM as I have one in the A Bolt 11 Stainless Stalker shooting 180gr Barnes TTSX bullets. It’s a light rifle and accurate to boot. Thanks for sharing!
A good 300 WSM would have been a fine choice! Or a 300 Win Mag. Or a 338, or the 375 I left at home... So many good answers to the question of which rifle to take.
Guy is Back!!!!!!
Great story!!! Congrats!!🎉
Thanks!
Have an old Savage 30-06 Model 510 made the year I was born, 1975. Shoots like crap and the trigger is a stiff 5 lbs, but I still like it. If I could find a good trigger to put on it, I’ld re-barrel it and put it back to work.
Nice bear Guy.
We were on the Sag River at the boat launch, here is an outer-state hunter up here for caribou and the big ‘B.’ The bear charged him and with his 375HH magnum under ten feet, put a round into the bear’s head, and he watched the bear's head expand outward and finally come to a stop 2/3 feet from him. He was still shaking. Six trips saw grizzlies on every trip, even one within 8/10 feet from our tent. Big paw!
Wow!
Change of underwear required??
Shooting a lighter bullet in my 375 very shootable . Agreed with your logic.
Back in the late 90's, I requested 300gr .338 bullets from a maker...who promply asked "why?". He explained that the only people who has requested such a thing were from Alaska using a necked down 338/416 Rigby...
My answer. The 338 Lapua, which started development from the 416 Rigby necked down, but was then available in factory form. Intended use was Brown Bear & Bison. He replied "Oh, that makes sense..." As I really hadn't done anything new, and guides were already using it in such a manner....it made sense.
The Lapua pushes the 300gr bullets to 2825fps...thats 5315 ft/lbs with a SD of .375....Using a bonded round nose.
300 grain bullets were available for the 338 Win Mag long ago... then they were discontinued. I'm glad to see that they're available again.
@@guyminer3168Nosler made them in Accubond, and Hawk makes them.
The same people that tell you the 30-06 is outdated will tell you the 1911 sucks and a 12 gauge doesn’t work for home defense . The 30-06 round has been taking grizzly’s for a century now and it still viable today
Great video and insight.
Really good one, Guy. I've got a couple of boxes of the old screw machine 200-grain semi-spitzers waiting for me to win the lottery.😆
I've got a box of those old ones as well.
I'm new to the firearms world, and also dove down the rabbit hole of reloading. I'm curious to hear opinions of the 7mm RM. Why? It is my first bolt action rifle, and I just love the way it shoots.
Good cartridge and about equal to 30-06 killing power with a slight trajectory edge out past 300.
Well done on a great hunt with a good rifle.
Awesome story of your grizzly hunt
Thanks! It was one heck of a hunt!
17:17 Excellent presentation Guy, well done. I would certainly never argue against the .30-06. And like you i am blessed to have options. If i knew it would only be 50 yards, like your situation, my 95 Winchester in .405 sounds fun, but hunting doesn't work like that, as you pointed out, and my eyes aren''t as good with a peep as they used to be. One of my .375's? good choice, but i dont shoot them as well, and as fast as my .338's. Stainless. 340 Weatherby, hard to ignore, but kind of big and heavy (trust me it needs to be) and kicks more like a .375. Ok down to two, both custom Mauser 98's. First one is bullet proof, synthetic stock, durable coating on metal work, 1-4 S&B scope, caliber. 375 Whelen improved, which i have been very impressed with. Think 9.3x62 ballistics plus a little more. It shoots 270 grain bullets right at 2,500 fps with Reloader 15, well done deal right? Oh wait, where's my ammo? Probably not going to find spare ammo for that, lol. So last one, another Mauser custom, in a Stutzen or Mannilicher style..338 Winchester, 22 inch barrel, 8.6 lbs with a 3-9×40 Trijicon Accupoint on it. Balances and handles like a fine shotgun, shoots ragged holes with Nosler Partitions and IMR4831, yep, thats the one. Probably a little to pretty for Alaska, but hey, its the hunt of a lifetime right? And as a very wise old gunsmith once said to me. "Who you saving it for? Use it!"
So .338 for me,.... but then there's my Stainless. 30-06................😅
If i ever get a chance to go 😅
Congratulations on a fine bear Sir, well done!
Thanks! Afterwards I was thinking "My 45-70 Marlin and 405 grain hardcast bullets are only about 2500 miles away..." :) But, no way to predict if I'd get a 20 yard shot or a 300 yard shot...
I don't have a whole lot of hunting experience beyond varmints, but I know what the various calibers can do. And I've been a firm believer in 30-06 as an absolute do anything sort of round, and until this video it wouldn't have been my first choice for a grizzly. This is wonderful information. Thank you sir. On a funny note my Late father would have just said "I'm not hunting grizzly with anything other than a p-47d Thunderbolt because it's got 8 m2 Browning .50 caliber machine guns mounted in the wings". Dad was not interested in anything that can hunt you as well as you hunt it. In his defense he agreed with 30-06 being a solid do anything round and that it off the top of his head wouldn't have been his first choice but that it certainly wasn't a bad choice. Again wonderful video. Thank you
Loving it! My Dad thought I was pretty silly going after a grizzly at all, though he too had a huge respect for the 30-06 cartridge.
Don't forget the .22LR that Bella Twin used. And it was a single shot rifle.
Yes! That's quite a story. My goodness...
Jeeeeezzz…
I had argued debate with some people online about hunting and defense for bears, both black and brown / grizzly. I said 30-06 a good universally hunting rifle for medium to large and to bigger game. They told me I was dumb or didn’t know what was talking about. Thanks for information and help prove my point
Excellent presentation! I agree in all respects. Accuracy is much more important than horsepower. Very much enjoyed the hunt from right here at home, and got that nervous thrill when nobody knew where the bear was. Yes, it was definitely time to chamber a round!
I lost count of the stories, footage, and firsthand witness accounts of hunts that go bad because of one small detail or another. "It's the gun... It's was the caliber... It was the shot placement..." And so on.
Truth is, it will always be the hunter's fault a hunt went bad in one way or another. Every detail matters, and it is up to the hunter to select what to use, and prepare for at even the finest detail. Including what oil to use on your rifle for the climate you were in.
Good stuff!
Absolutely!! A principle that was driven home to me as a junior NCO in the Army. There are no such things as little details. If you screw those us, you can get your people killed. Sobering thought. Lived by it through two tours in Vietnam.
Enjoyed the video, thanks
I used my 1961 Model 70 to take a black bear in Manitoba. I use the same Partition bullet you used. One shot thru the chest was like flipping a switch DRT.
I have an old Savage 110e that I always gravitate back to during deer season just because it is a lights out shooting rifle with my handloads. For me it is a easy shooting rifle and although I have never hunted a bear whether I would have no qualms about doing so😊
Thanks for the great info, the 30-06 is a good choice for a 200 yard shot, but when the environment changed to heavy brush and willow where the bear did show itself at close range, 50 yards, wouldn’t a .375 be better? I’m reading Jim Corbett going after big cats in brush and he retreats and switches from his .275 Rigby to his 450/400?
I’ve got hundreds of rounds of 375H&H experience. My suggestion is 235gr Barnes TSX with a stiff charge of IMR4064. That combination is devastating for any large dangerous bear. It has higher velocity than 200gr 300WM and more energy than 338WM. Recoil is manageable
Good video Guy - I could see where you were going with this just looking at the selection you have on the table.
I've shot a few large bears with a 45-70 and and let me tell ya what.. I'd rather shoot one with a 6.5 PRC and a solid / bonded bullet than the 45-70 with the Hornady FTX (Cup and core). Of course the 45-70 with a good bonded or hard cast bullet will not have the issues of the Hornady design - I've come to the conclusion that the X in ELD-X and FTX stand for eXplosive.
After using the Hornady bullets in reloads for quite some time after seeing the real world performance on game I'm slowly reworking everything except my pest control rifles to run the Barnes LRX.
Best all around rifle is my 30.06. My 6.5 Creedmoor and my 450 bushmaster and 10mm carbine all do the job anywhere anytime. Unless elephant..hippo or rino. I've always said great ammo and shot placement is what matters. But would have 10mm or 44mag hardcast pistol on my chest holster as backup. Never go in the woods unprepared.
I have to say, I've been thinking about this all day. I am very envious. Congratulations on a fine bear. It's gorgeous.
Several years back, I started buying pieces to build each of my nephews bolt action rifles with swappable barrels. I went with 6mm Remington on the low end and 338-06 on the high end, with the thought that would be sufficient for anything in North America. They could always add 270, 280, or 30-06 if they wanted something in-between later.
The 6mm Rem in a long action allows for longer, heavier, higher BC bullets that can leverage the additional case capacity.
The 338-06 would be heavier and larger, but less recoil than other 338s. I figured the heavier projectiles are best within 300 or 200 yards, but the lighter ones could be used out to 400 or even 500 yards.
I still think 338-06 is a great option, but I have a new appreciation for what the 30-06 can do.
I like your ideas. The good old 6mm Remington is a favorite of mine, have been using one since the mid 1970s. Mine is a short action Remington 700 but I understand what you're doing with the long action. Very cool that you're building rifles for your nephews! I've never used the 338-06, but it sure looks like a good one!
I used to shoot my 458-win mag a lot to get used to the recoil. After training with that a lot anything less than the 458. I knew I was going to be able to shoot very well. My favorite rifle is my Remington 700 375 H&H custom rifle.
458 and 375 are great cartridges!
My dad loaded his 30-06 with 220 grain round nose bullets. Kept shots to 100 yards.
Always shot placement issue: if I correctly remember the Kodiak’s brown bear record has been taken by a 30-06 in the 50´s even if I would prefer my 375 H&H for this hunt…
Congratulations!!!!
Wow! Great episode. 👈🏽🐻👍🏼
Thanks! It was a great hunt.
Great Video!
Thank you.
200 grain a frame in a 3006 is all you need.
I think that a good bullet (like the A-Frame) from a 30-06 is good enough for most game in the world.
I absolutely agree. 👍
Great video,
Well done Guy ! I’ve never hunted the big bears but am of the mind to go heavy if I did. Harry Selby, Robert Ruark’s PH, said “Use enough gun.” Rural wrote a book by that name. Different time but sound advice. The animals that can kill you were hunted with sharp sticks back in the day. I was always the last guy in the group. I had the biggest damn pointy stick I could make.
And not a thing wrong with hitting the bear harder, with a bigger stick! I think that I had two good choices for that hunt between the 375 and the 30-06 rifles.
Really like the Barnes bullet and I really think you should do some videos on penetration with those copper bullets
We have! We've tested the Barnes TTSX, the Hornady CX, and I've taken several mule deer with the Barnes TSX. We will be doing more as well. Excellent hunting bullets!
Guy, great video and story. One question though, if you were going to use an all copper bullet in your 30’06 for grizzly, what grain would you use? Thanks again!
I'd go lighter for sure... No heavier than 180, and perhaps 165/168 gr class. Max out the velocity too... Barnes TSX & Hornady CX thrive on velocity.
I’ve thought about a grizzly hunt. Thanks
Expensive. I saved for several years... But such an incredible hunt.
Great video! I really give you credit! You admitted missing your first shot. Most would not admit it! What kind of velocity were you getting with those 200 gr. Noslers in an 06?
Right at 2600 fps via H4350. H4831 showed quite a bit more, but I only had a little of it. Component shortages and all.
Congrats on your bear! I really enjoy your videos.
Nice rifle, great story.
I don’t know why someone would think a 30-06 isn’t a viable bear cartridge.. I’ve seen bears dropped pretty easily with even smaller 30 caliber cartridges. And smaller calibers overall.
World record brown bear was taken with an ‘06 I believe.
It was actually a 270 win , shot at 67 paces 130gr speer hot cor , look it up , fact
Correct with a 30-06 in Kodiak island , hunter guided by Pinnel &Talisfon I believe.
Awww the good ol’ 30 06, the Legend! I have my dad’s (rip) Remington 760 and a my 742. My daughter in law (Homer resident) shot a 1300 lb Alaskan bison a couple years back at 300 yds. one shot one kill in its tracks with the :06. My son went from a 300 Win. Mag to a 30 06. We will be hunting Prince of Wales Island this fall for Sitka deer and I’ll be taking my 742 and 10 mm Sig. That feeling of being left alone somewhere remote is something I felt on a trip to Montague Island AK and is quit humbling. Thanks!
@@powerwagon3731 I used an ‘06 for for everything in Alaska for like 15 years, but I just recently re barreled it to 35 whelen and I am going to use that going forward. 30-06 is definitely all you need up here, just use a good bullet and take good shots
In 1996 I was up on the Yukon River out of Russian Mission, about 13 miles above the village on a huge island with a field right in the middle shaped like a football. It is on maps so look it up. I was hunting for moose with four VPSO's Village Public Safety Officers (village cops). We got there just before light, and I walked through skunk cabbage that was taller that my 5'7", to the edge of the field. The grass came up to my eye level. Two of the men went to the left to cross the field along the left, and two to the right. This field is over a mile in length and 3/4 in width.
I watched for three hours as my guys on the right never went anywhere. After this time, they started to come back. We met at the boats. They were white as ghosts. Now, these men are 100 % Alaska Native, and quite brown from the sun, but they were white. They told me they'd spooked a bear off a gutpile from a previous hunters' moose. It wouldn't leave, and kept charging them every it heard them move. They could see it coming for them as the grass would part like the bow wave of a boat. But they never saw the animal. One had a .243, the other a .270. They had the rifles off safety, pointed towards where they would see the bear hit the ends of their barrels; they'd have one shot each exactly, before it would be on them. Now these guys had seen the elephant several times in their careers, they didn't get ruffled easily. They admitted they were scared. But eventually the bear got tired and took off.
So: would you rather have a small-bore, or a big-bore? As Arthur B. Alphin said, "God is on the side of the man with the bigger bullet". Carry the biggest rifle you can shoot well. If you have an easy shot with a .416 Rigby or .458 Lott, hit behind the head in the neck. If you are in the deep grass....you want to be ready for the worst possible situation because Murphy is always watching.
I also like the 300 rum 3006 Springfield and 300 Winchester magnum
Yes narrow it to one
I'm impressed at you owning up to the miss.
Well, I missed. Sigh... Thanks though.
@@guyminer3168 you also hit though. And you did a lot of homework that I haven't done. So far I haven't even had the chance to miss. I've been straight up just going to the last 3 years of hunting.
To 'go less' with a Grizzly is more like what people 'actually' used to use back in the day - 30-06 and 35 Remington was it before the 35 Whelen was wildcatted, unless you could afford the 375 H&H. A 35 Remington in the model 8 was originally a Grizzly gun - but the bullets then not great same as the 30-06 back then....35 Remington Buffalo Bore with the 220gr Speer would do it. Its basically 358 Winchester territory at thst point. Everyone thinks you practically need motars and grenades, but the reality is if you can stalk and get in close enough range (where most hunters fail) without setting off the adrenaline and get off a well placed shot....
I truly wish my first shot had hit vitals instead of missing. Ah well, it was what it was. Second shot was likely the kill shot, but grizz didn't acknowledge that right away. Hence, several more shots were taken. It was a pretty amazing 45 seconds or so.