Arcarsenal haha, but of course, there are only Arcarsenal views and wrong views... anyone not in agreement has been brainwashed etc etc.. and you people wonder why you don’t win elections. Lol
McDonnell cought my attention when I heard him talk about providing council housing. After watching McDonnell on numerous occasions I realised he was hungry to win and Corbyn, appeared to want to stand by his principals.
Archvaldor's Warcraft Hacks Well they didn’t vote for Corbyn in 2 elections either, so fat lot of good standing by his so-called principals did in the end.
Surprised to see Anarchism lazily and passingly described as about "no rules" - its always been about "No rulers". As far as rules are concerned, Anarchists are properly concerned with who makes them, and how making them can be truly democratized without recourse to unjustifiable or illegitimate hierarchy. Is it too much to expect more nuance on Novara than I would expect to get from MSNBC or CNN? I hope not.
@@simonjlkoreshoff3426 whilst I completely agree with Corbyn on foreign policy, the only way we were going to change anything was by attaining power, and the only way we were going to do that was by focusing on domestic/economic issues, on which Labour were (and to some extent are still) winning
@@simonjlkoreshoff3426 I think it is far too simplistic to say that brexit policy alone sank labour! If they had taken a completely pro Brexit stance, I really think it could have cost them in the metropolitan areas (The European elections). Labour were caught between a rock and a hard place! The only thing that could have mitigated some of the damage was if they had taken a position (either way) early in the process and just stuck to it! But the perception of “flip-flopping“ was the last nail in the coffin! Ironically, I think they came to the right position (in a very difficult situation) at the end, but it was just too late
Such a shame that chance was wasted, my partner came with me to watch Corbyn speak in Highbury Fields one Saturday and was so impressed that she quit her scepticism and stopped voting for the Green party and joined the Labour party, when all that time was wasted she gave up her membership and reverted back to her previous opinion that Labour seemed to spend more time in disagreement with themselves than they do in standing toe to toe and fighting for a better world.
James Quigley he would’ve never got enough MP nominations to get into the race. Also he didn’t want to run after his heart attack. I agree though he’s the better leader.
He said himself he is no politician nor leader. Keeping to his fack. The professional technical aide and ? Mentor. Of course worked for a win. And well aware of the loss.
Got it right at the end. The time after the 2017 election result was utterly wasted. Can always trust labour to implode as soon as the Tories have been embarrassed.
John basically outlines in a round about way the current inherent problem with the labour left/left in general as of right now; we are too quick to apply an association to a particular non-party issue (eg the bomb, Palestine) which not only distracts us from our anti austerity message but also alienates so many people. Not to say said alienated people are inherently thick and/or cruel not to engage with such discussions, but there have been too many cooks in the broth (the so called 'slacktivist'). As a result; labour are further away from power than they have ever been and our traditional working class voterbase is in tatters. I live between south and West Yorkshire and believe me, the vast majority of folk I speak to who won't ever vote Tory are now equally critical of labour because of corbyn AND the blair years. We are literally fucked and the labour party has way too much baggage to be viable anymore.
RED D : interesting points. I too think the Labour Party are unelectable even now with Starmer as leader. As things stand Labour could only be elected with the help of the Lib Dems and SNP which are both strongly pro EU. Starmer is pro EU,he was a strong advocate for a second referendum. He must know by now that is one of the reasons so many Labour voters switched to the Tories. So far, Starmer has spent his time criticising government performance and it won't be until he addresses the unions in a week or so that we might find out what his plans, vision or policies are. The question is will the long threatened split in the Labour Party happen? Will we see a new party of Labour moderates and the extreme left of Corbyn, Milne, Butler etc left to howl in the wilderness? God knows we need a strong opposition party.
@@seamusoflatcap I think it's no longer a question of if a split will happen, but when. And I don't mean a few neoliberal appeasing wankers like Chuka and co going off and joining the cucks/fib Dems, I mean a full breaking away from the labour party en masse by rank an file members and mps alike. The mps especially when they realize their gravy train is coming to a complete stop. Personally, I'm still a party member (in the sense that 4 quid or so comes out of my bank account every month, not engaged with the party at all this year and not just cos of covid) but following what Galloway and Chris Williamson are up to very closely in regards to their workers party and resistance movement groups which is where I see myself overall; skating on the fringes of social democracy, democratic socialism and out and out Marxism leninism depending on my mood.
Best Government the UK never had.
I hope Tory voters have buyers remorse now the country is in the toilet!
(Still in the toilet*)
On the contrary, every day I am thankful that Corbyn and his far left loons never got close to number 10.
@@jamesprimavesi2392 Well then my friend, you're a victim of establishment propaganda
@@jamesprimavesi2392 country's fucked mate but at least Corbyn didn't get in
Arcarsenal haha, but of course, there are only Arcarsenal views and wrong views... anyone not in agreement has been brainwashed etc etc.. and you people wonder why you don’t win elections. Lol
@@jamesprimavesi2392 Actually mate I don't wonder... it's because the above reason 👆😂 The media
McDonnell cought my attention when I heard him talk about providing council housing. After watching McDonnell on numerous occasions I realised he was hungry to win and Corbyn, appeared to want to stand by his principals.
Archvaldor's Warcraft Hacks Well they didn’t vote for Corbyn in 2 elections either, so fat lot of good standing by his so-called principals did in the end.
Surprised to see Anarchism lazily and passingly described as about "no rules" - its always been about "No rulers". As far as rules are concerned, Anarchists are properly concerned with who makes them, and how making them can be truly democratized without recourse to unjustifiable or illegitimate hierarchy. Is it too much to expect more nuance on Novara than I would expect to get from MSNBC or CNN? I hope not.
Personally more agree with McDonnell’s analysis, can’t help feeling it was a huge opportunity wasted :(
@@simonjlkoreshoff3426 whilst I completely agree with Corbyn on foreign policy, the only way we were going to change anything was by attaining power, and the only way we were going to do that was by focusing on domestic/economic issues, on which Labour were (and to some extent are still) winning
@@simonjlkoreshoff3426 I think it is far too simplistic to say that brexit policy alone sank labour! If they had taken a completely pro Brexit stance, I really think it could have cost them in the metropolitan areas (The European elections). Labour were caught between a rock and a hard place! The only thing that could have mitigated some of the damage was if they had taken a position (either way) early in the process and just stuck to it! But the perception of “flip-flopping“ was the last nail in the coffin! Ironically, I think they came to the right position (in a very difficult situation) at the end, but it was just too late
Such a shame that chance was wasted, my partner came with me to watch Corbyn speak in Highbury Fields one Saturday and was so impressed that she quit her scepticism and stopped voting for the Green party and joined the Labour party, when all that time was wasted she gave up her membership and reverted back to her previous opinion that Labour seemed to spend more time in disagreement with themselves than they do in standing toe to toe and fighting for a better world.
McDonnell should of been the leader. Much more intelligent and a way smoother operator.
James Quigley he would’ve never got enough MP nominations to get into the race. Also he didn’t want to run after his heart attack. I agree though he’s the better leader.
He said himself he is no politician nor leader. Keeping to his fack. The professional technical aide and ? Mentor. Of course worked for a win. And well aware of the loss.
Got it right at the end. The time after the 2017 election result was utterly wasted. Can always trust labour to implode as soon as the Tories have been embarrassed.
Hmmm....... Keir Starmer "has a respect for due process"? Not when it comes to the ICJ, I think.
I saw Mr Mcdonnell speak at a union meeting. He wore a very nice expensive suit and tie. Champaign socialist?
What book is he talking about?
Unmade bed in Gabriel’s background. Xx
Mcdonell sold him out.
Bollocks
Agreed.
Especially on Brexit and Dianne abbot did. Once that happened Corbyn had no one to back him.
Thank you, pragmatism v decency 🤔
John basically outlines in a round about way the current inherent problem with the labour left/left in general as of right now; we are too quick to apply an association to a particular non-party issue (eg the bomb, Palestine) which not only distracts us from our anti austerity message but also alienates so many people. Not to say said alienated people are inherently thick and/or cruel not to engage with such discussions, but there have been too many cooks in the broth (the so called 'slacktivist').
As a result; labour are further away from power than they have ever been and our traditional working class voterbase is in tatters. I live between south and West Yorkshire and believe me, the vast majority of folk I speak to who won't ever vote Tory are now equally critical of labour because of corbyn AND the blair years. We are literally fucked and the labour party has way too much baggage to be viable anymore.
RED D : interesting points. I too think the Labour Party are unelectable even now with Starmer as leader. As things stand Labour could only be elected with the help of the Lib Dems and SNP which are both strongly pro EU. Starmer is pro EU,he was a strong advocate for a second referendum. He must know by now that is one of the reasons so many Labour voters switched to the Tories.
So far, Starmer has spent his time criticising government performance and it won't be until he addresses the unions in a week or so that we might find out what his plans, vision or policies are. The question is will the long threatened split in the Labour Party happen? Will we see a new party of Labour moderates and the extreme left of Corbyn, Milne, Butler etc left to howl in the wilderness? God knows we need a strong opposition party.
@@seamusoflatcap I think it's no longer a question of if a split will happen, but when. And I don't mean a few neoliberal appeasing wankers like Chuka and co going off and joining the cucks/fib Dems, I mean a full breaking away from the labour party en masse by rank an file members and mps alike. The mps especially when they realize their gravy train is coming to a complete stop.
Personally, I'm still a party member (in the sense that 4 quid or so comes out of my bank account every month, not engaged with the party at all this year and not just cos of covid) but following what Galloway and Chris Williamson are up to very closely in regards to their workers party and resistance movement groups which is where I see myself overall; skating on the fringes of social democracy, democratic socialism and out and out Marxism leninism depending on my mood.