Montreal offer to Aho made sense. Carolina offer to KK didn't. 'They reaped what they sowed''. or is it 'play stupid games, win stupid prizes'? Either way, Montreal is free of KK and KK is laughing all the way to the bank. Looks like Carolina lost twice.
I agree that the hurricanes lost but did the Habs really win? Cause the package they got for KK was used to get Dvorak and he sucks. The Habs failed when they drafted KK and failed to turn his value and anything substantial.
Suzuki was not his choice .it was a take it or leave it trade along with Tatar. Bergevin has nothing to do with Suzuki'talent and work ethic. Caulfield fell into his lap because of Cole's size. Bergevin ruined an already depleted organization that was running on a 1970 mentality.
The Finish media should be reminded that KK has an uncontrollable temper. His European junior coaches spoke of it. During the MTL/TBL finals he had a hissy fit on the bench, slammed the door and speared the bench in a rage. That kind of behavoir in the finals is selfish and toxic for the team. He was scratched for the next game and he resented it so much that he was in Carolina soon after. Last year, after Carolina was eliminated, he had temper tantrum in the hallway and beat up the walls with his stick. It's hard to control a person like that. While KK's numbers are concerning in Carolina, they weren't much better in Montreal. He had 5 goals and 17 assists in 82 games. He was an asset in the run to finals, until he lost his temper.
From the outside it seems like the kid felt a little entitled... pouted when got sent down or benched and ghosted his team when the time came to negotiate... good riddance and worst of luck to you young fella...
Next season will be his 7th full season, when is he gonna become good? He has shown little in the way of learning or developing. He is and always was a spoiled brat and Carolina should never have given him long term. The Habs wanted to give him a bridge deal and he didn't want it that's why he took the offer sheet in the first place.
He started this season on fire. Was leading them in scoring for almost a month but that offense was driven by where he was in the line-up. Poor Guy. I thought he could be a useful checking center with a little offensive upside maybe replace Jordan staal, but when his offense goes south he ends up deep in dixie. He had 10 points in their first ten games this year. He had 17 in the subsequent 69 games. Carolina has a new owner who is penny wise. He had them offer sheet Kotkaniemi which wasn't a terrible move. The $6 million was ridiculous but he won that contest and he picked up a young potentially good NHL center for money. After that first season 29 points in 69 games how /why could/would you sign him for eight years at $4.82 million. That's making a decision in a fit of pique and making sure everyone knows your decision was right even though it was obviously goofy one upmanship which had nothing to do with improving your team. He wanted to steal the player at any cost and didn't want him stolen back. Congratulations buddy you Won. He also apparently didn't like how much he was paying for an AHL team when his best prospects were US college kids and Russians. Penny wise. I'm not sure what the DeAngelo signing was about? Bringing Orlov in at $7.5 million to have leverage on Pesce and Skjei is not going to work out for him. The Owner has money but he's also a little kookie. I watched a lot of Kotkaniemi in Montreal. He has some skills but he's not good offensively and he's not physical and he's not really a top notch checker. Maybe a 2$ million dollar player in the NHL. I'd have given him two or three years and seen what he could do. He's only 23 but its like pierre luc dubois. He's got lot on mileage on him. Six NHL seasons. 18 goals and half point a game seems to be a hard to reach ceiling for him. You have an idea what he will be. Alex Barkov is a crazy comparison and you would be underpaying by a ton. You have to look at someone like Jordan Staal who was a defensive beast for years and a 40-50 point guy, generally. That's what you had to hope for.
sadly for him it is getting pretty bad for J. Kotkaniemi but I certainly wouldnt want to be the team that draft him 3rd overall before guys like: Brady Tkachuk, Quinn Hugues, Evan Bouchard, Noah Dobson......... I still remember how some habs fan would argue with me when I would tell them that KK would never be more then a 3rd line center.................yup...... exactly
Considering the 2018 Draft, it would be interesting to see who Kent Hughes and the Jeff Gorton era currently would have drafted at that time...I think it would be different!
@scottstenlund433 sorry but they really played bad against rangers 870 and 880 is bad asf i love Carolina and i love goaltending but its not great at all this series
Kid's a spoiled bust. Provides no physicality whatsoever & has yet to drop the gloves all season even while relegated to the 4th line. Only points he generated during the last 62 games of the regular season were during garbage time late in lopsided games. Second game of the playoff series with the Rangers captured how entirely useless he has been in his last 70 starts. Stefan Noesen is tussling with D'Andre Miller along the boards in the first period & Kotkanaiemi stands there the entire time & does nothing. Makes no effort to be a good teammate & come to Noesen's aid (Miller is a very big & strong hombre & difficult to handle even for Noesen). Don Waddell needs to loose his job over this entire fiasco of refusing to resign Vincent Trocheck along with his mistreatment of Nino Nedierrieter in favor of this putz. The lack of quality Center depth on the Canes roster is the primary reason they're losing to the Rangers in this years playoffs. Beyond lame!
@@OneLine122 that's stupid, that's the whole point of being an RFA vs UFA. Teams can match if they want to or decline, it's on them. Don't blame other teams for trying to improve their rosters, those RFAs are fair game.
Sure he can be blamed. It's all on him. He accepted an oversized contract in order to spite his team and knowing he would have bigger competition for his post. You'd think he would try to prove himself more than anybody else, but instead he is a flop and can barely make the fourth line. So yes, with what he has done, his type of contract and his performance, his career is probably over in the NHL. He failed completely and it's entirely his own fault. At best he might get a tryout, but I doubt it.
Is Kotka going to be a trade candidate for a team with cap space to take advantage of? The way the Canes got Seth Jarvis for taking on Marleau from the Leafs, are the Canes able to afford to keep Kotka around? Or will they trade him along with a pick in 2025 to get him off of the books.
carolina is not overly unlucky as compared to anyone else in the playoffs. go back to the box score of the series against the panthers last year and you see the same disparity in shots, yet they got swept. It all comes down to the scheme of that team and their entire existence is to put as many low quality chances on net as possible and posses the puck as much as possible. Their D pinches in along the boards extremely aggressively and as a result their Forwards are constanly prepared to turn and race to cover the point, which leads to possession, but incoherent offense. Yes, its smothering at times, and yes it works well all year, but at this stage of the season your facing the elite teams in the league and they are not as talented as NYR or FLA.....end of story
You're quite the apologist for KK. The guy can't finish (no pun intended). It's that simple. If he hasn't figured out a way to get the puck into the net by now, it probably won't happen. I can't see why another team would want to trade for someone who's afraid to get his hands dirty and his mouth bloodied by mixing it up in front of the net. Oh...and you don't win playoff games by hanging in there.
i do feel kinda bad 4 the dude. I remember how he shot up in the draft(pushing Zadina our way oye} He might be a great forth liner with high offensive upside. maybe... With less pressure...
Bergy should have never drafted him. Drafting for need and leaning thachuk and Quinn Hughes on the board . He will never be near Barkov level or even Barkov light
One of the worst draft mistakes the Habs ever made...and everything that's happened since have showed that the guy is basically a bust and a headache. Looks good on Carolina though...
@@mononcleantoine He was picked 3rd overall on a reach when he was barely a consensus top 10 pick and they could have had a near franchise type player like Brady Tkachuk. He was a bust and left the team in embarrassing fashion. My original comment stands imo...given where he was chosen and the surrounding circumstances one of the worst picks the Habs have ever made.
The mistake was made when our genius Bergevin picked him over Tkachuk period. Where are all the Kotkaniemi fans that were saying to be patient, he will be as good or even better than Tkachuk.
Hahahaha! He is a disaster! The guy was a wrong pick from the Bergevin era! The Hurricanes have been stupid enough to offer a contract for that idiot! Kotkaniemi is a failure, not hard to see!
Honestly the 5 mil deal is going to age better than people think. If he ends up being a third line center with scoring upside, that 5 mil a year will be a bargain in just a couple years. Let the kid grow with less expectations. Letting trocheck go was a mistake but no one mentioned that trocheck told the canes he wasn’t resigning. He wanted to go to a bigger market like ny. He was NEVER going to stay with the canes. Has kk been disappointing? Yup. Can he eventually be a Jordan staal like 2 way center? Potentially. I think the contract will age better than people think. Buying him out with that many years isn’t going to happen. He’s still only what, 22 or 23? Laff was a rangers bust until he finally broke out this past year. Gotta give some players a little more time than others. As stated, overpaid now but will age better down the road.
The MTL obsession with watching KK fail is disgusting and unsettling. And I'm a Habs fan. Unnecessary video imo. We should more-so focus on how the Canes are living a copy paste scenario from last year which, to me, signifies only one thing: The Canes aren't good enough. Sure, they are almost there, but ask the leafs if almost is enough. Can we blame all that on KK? hell no he's barely on the ice. So hows about as a fanbase we stop targeting the kid since at this point it's just clearly jealousy and revenge porn.
@@robertl8481 yeah, i never said anywhere he was great. Hes a bust and overpaid, thats clear to everyone. So get over him. You still obsessed with him because youre still jelly he chose Carolina over MTL?
Montreal offer to Aho made sense. Carolina offer to KK didn't. 'They reaped what they sowed''. or is it 'play stupid games, win stupid prizes'? Either way, Montreal is free of KK and KK is laughing all the way to the bank. Looks like Carolina lost twice.
Free of KK but we should have Tkachuk if it wasn't for Bergevin.
@@mamagne800 well, without Bergevin, we might not have Suzuki or Caufield either... GM win some and lose some...
on top of that bergy gave uo a 1st rounder dor christian dvorak
I agree that the hurricanes lost but did the Habs really win? Cause the package they got for KK was used to get Dvorak and he sucks. The Habs failed when they drafted KK and failed to turn his value and anything substantial.
Suzuki was not his choice .it was a take it or leave it trade along with Tatar. Bergevin has nothing to do with Suzuki'talent and work ethic. Caulfield fell into his lap because of Cole's size. Bergevin ruined an already depleted organization that was running on a 1970 mentality.
Spite is not a good business advisor
The Finish media should be reminded that KK has an uncontrollable temper. His European junior coaches spoke of it. During the MTL/TBL finals he had a hissy fit on the bench, slammed the door and speared the bench in a rage. That kind of behavoir in the finals is selfish and toxic for the team. He was scratched for the next game and he resented it so much that he was in Carolina soon after. Last year, after Carolina was eliminated, he had temper tantrum in the hallway and beat up the walls with his stick. It's hard to control a person like that. While KK's numbers are concerning in Carolina, they weren't much better in Montreal. He had 5 goals and 17 assists in 82 games. He was an asset in the run to finals, until he lost his temper.
Carolina's offer sheet to KK at 6mil + 20$ signing bonus representing AHO's jersey number will likely stand as one of the worst offer sheets ever. 😂
Was a mistake to give long term contracts to kk who was unproven
From the outside it seems like the kid felt a little entitled... pouted when got sent down or benched and ghosted his team when the time came to negotiate... good riddance and worst of luck to you young fella...
Nah, his name is “Coke and Lemmy”
He was good last year in the playoffs, and was throwing his body around in the islanders series, hes going to be a good 3rd line center
Next season will be his 7th full season, when is he gonna become good? He has shown little in the way of learning or developing. He is and always was a spoiled brat and Carolina should never have given him long term. The Habs wanted to give him a bridge deal and he didn't want it that's why he took the offer sheet in the first place.
400 games, 160 points, -2. that is nowhere near being worth 5 million a year
He started this season on fire. Was leading them in scoring for almost a month but that offense was driven by where he was in the line-up. Poor Guy. I thought he could be a useful checking center with a little offensive upside maybe replace Jordan staal, but when his offense goes south he ends up deep in dixie. He had 10 points in their first ten games this year. He had 17 in the subsequent 69 games.
Carolina has a new owner who is penny wise. He had them offer sheet Kotkaniemi which wasn't a terrible move. The $6 million was ridiculous but he won that contest and he picked up a young potentially good NHL center for money. After that first season 29 points in 69 games how /why could/would you sign him for eight years at $4.82 million. That's making a decision in a fit of pique and making sure everyone knows your decision was right even though it was obviously goofy one upmanship which had nothing to do with improving your team. He wanted to steal the player at any cost and didn't want him stolen back. Congratulations buddy you Won.
He also apparently didn't like how much he was paying for an AHL team when his best prospects were US college kids and Russians. Penny wise. I'm not sure what the DeAngelo signing was about? Bringing Orlov in at $7.5 million to have leverage on Pesce and Skjei is not going to work out for him.
The Owner has money but he's also a little kookie.
I watched a lot of Kotkaniemi in Montreal. He has some skills but he's not good offensively and he's not physical and he's not really a top notch checker.
Maybe a 2$ million dollar player in the NHL. I'd have given him two or three years and seen what he could do. He's only 23 but its like pierre luc dubois. He's got lot on mileage on him. Six NHL seasons. 18 goals and half point a game seems to be a hard to reach ceiling for him. You have an idea what he will be.
Alex Barkov is a crazy comparison and you would be underpaying by a ton. You have to look at someone like Jordan Staal who was a defensive beast for years and a 40-50 point guy, generally. That's what you had to hope for.
Can you get get rid of the EA video and show real nhl highlights?
sadly for him it is getting pretty bad for J. Kotkaniemi but I certainly wouldnt want to be the team that draft him 3rd overall before guys like: Brady Tkachuk, Quinn Hugues, Evan Bouchard, Noah Dobson.........
I still remember how some habs fan would argue with me when I would tell them that KK would never be more then a 3rd line center.................yup...... exactly
Carolina giving him a $6.1 OS & then an eight year extension for $4.82m AAV may be the dumbest move in NHL history. Touch em' all Don Waddell!
Screaming Tkachuk... nope KK.... wow tines l will never forget lets not repeat the same mistakes.
I was screaming "take Tkachuk" too and it still bothers me to this day that they didn't.
Hahaha, thank you Carolina!
I wonder if he still blames Montreal for his development
Montreal fans can’t stop crying
More like Montreal fans can’t stop laughing.
Considering the 2018 Draft, it would be interesting to see who Kent Hughes and the Jeff Gorton era currently would have drafted at that time...I think it would be different!
Carolina looked like a defensive juggernaut , im amazed at how the rangers breaks through their structure.
Because of their skill, speed, toughness?
Goalie situation is terrible they not showed off their power
@scottstenlund433 sorry but they really played bad against rangers 870 and 880 is bad asf i love Carolina and i love goaltending but its not great at all this series
@scottstenlund433there have been some high quality saves but they absolutely have not played "great"
I guess MB gets the last laugh. Expensive revenge for the owner of the Hurricanes.
He's not a good player He's not devolp
Kid's a spoiled bust. Provides no physicality whatsoever & has yet to drop the gloves all season even while relegated to the 4th line. Only points he generated during the last 62 games of the regular season were during garbage time late in lopsided games. Second game of the playoff series with the Rangers captured how entirely useless he has been in his last 70 starts. Stefan Noesen is tussling with D'Andre Miller along the boards in the first period & Kotkanaiemi stands there the entire time & does nothing. Makes no effort to be a good teammate & come to Noesen's aid (Miller is a very big & strong hombre & difficult to handle even for Noesen).
Don Waddell needs to loose his job over this entire fiasco of refusing to resign Vincent Trocheck along with his mistreatment of Nino Nedierrieter in favor of this putz. The lack of quality Center depth on the Canes roster is the primary reason they're losing to the Rangers in this years playoffs. Beyond lame!
Basically he’s a poor man Lars Eller. But at $5 mil LOL
Why insult Eller, Kotkaniemi is a punk who has obviously never improved any part of his game, he must be pretty lazy.
I forgot the Habs offer sheeted Aho, see that's why I enjoy your videos, gives me perspective. FUCKIN GO HABS BABY!
I don't understand why giving offer sheets to RFAs is taken as a slight by teams & GMs. Isn't that how it's supposed to work?
It's how the players want it, not the teams.
I think there was an unsaid agreement GMs would not use it.
@@OneLine122 that's stupid, that's the whole point of being an RFA vs UFA. Teams can match if they want to or decline, it's on them. Don't blame other teams for trying to improve their rosters, those RFAs are fair game.
@@OneLine122maybe they should make a friendly deal to stop cheating the cap by using LTIR at the deadline instead.
Jasperi definitely hasn’t earned his keep with the Canes.
Sure he can be blamed. It's all on him.
He accepted an oversized contract in order to spite his team and knowing he would have bigger competition for his post.
You'd think he would try to prove himself more than anybody else, but instead he is a flop and can barely make the fourth line.
So yes, with what he has done, his type of contract and his performance, his career is probably over in the NHL. He failed completely and it's entirely his own fault. At best he might get a tryout, but I doubt it.
Is Kotka going to be a trade candidate for a team with cap space to take advantage of?
The way the Canes got Seth Jarvis for taking on Marleau from the Leafs, are the Canes able to afford to keep Kotka around? Or will they trade him along with a pick in 2025 to get him off of the books.
It must be bad because I cant remember the last time I heard the guys name😂 I literally forgot he still exists.
carolina is not overly unlucky as compared to anyone else in the playoffs. go back to the box score of the series against the panthers last year and you see the same disparity in shots, yet they got swept. It all comes down to the scheme of that team and their entire existence is to put as many low quality chances on net as possible and posses the puck as much as possible. Their D pinches in along the boards extremely aggressively and as a result their Forwards are constanly prepared to turn and race to cover the point, which leads to possession, but incoherent offense. Yes, its smothering at times, and yes it works well all year, but at this stage of the season your facing the elite teams in the league and they are not as talented as NYR or FLA.....end of story
He was pretty good last year in the playoffs too.
Some players stop playing hard once rich contracts are signed.
I can’t believe they didn’t take Brady. Fml
Is it me, or does Larry Robinson look a bit like Ricky from TPB?
The Rangers borrowed some of their defensive tactics and threw it back in their face.
man am i so glad we didnt keep him
You're quite the apologist for KK. The guy can't finish (no pun intended). It's that simple. If he hasn't figured out a way to get the puck into the net by now, it probably won't happen. I can't see why another team would want to trade for someone who's afraid to get his hands dirty and his mouth bloodied by mixing it up in front of the net.
Oh...and you don't win playoff games by hanging in there.
The offer sheet is irrelevant. They then signed him again long term the next year.
Wrong. The offer sheet is actually his new contract and was too much for Bergevin to match so he let him go.
@@mamagne800 wrong. Offer sheet was 1 year, 6 million plus
@@mamagne800what? 😂 they gave him 6.1 mil and a 20$ signing bonus in August, then he signed the current contract in March of that same season.
i do feel kinda bad 4 the dude. I remember how he shot up in the draft(pushing Zadina our way oye} He might be a great forth liner with high offensive upside. maybe... With less pressure...
Bergy should have never drafted him. Drafting for need and leaning thachuk and Quinn Hughes on the board . He will never be near Barkov level or even Barkov light
One of the many reasons Molson fired him.
Kostitsyn, Leblanc, Galchenyuk, KK. No wonder the Habs ended up in the dumpster.
Yep, that Trevor Timmin dude didn't know what he was doing.
One of the worst draft mistakes the Habs ever made...and everything that's happened since have showed that the guy is basically a bust and a headache. Looks good on Carolina though...
Naw they made plenty over the years. At least he is still playing in the NHL even if he is overpaid .you could say that about so many more players.
@@mononcleantoine He was picked 3rd overall on a reach when he was barely a consensus top 10 pick and they could have had a near franchise type player like Brady Tkachuk. He was a bust and left the team in embarrassing fashion. My original comment stands imo...given where he was chosen and the surrounding circumstances one of the worst picks the Habs have ever made.
Kotkaniemi is worse than Puljujärvi
Hes soft.
No grit. Not playoff material.
The mistake was made when our genius Bergevin picked him over Tkachuk period. Where are all the Kotkaniemi fans that were saying to be patient, he will be as good or even better than Tkachuk.
Hahahaha! He is a disaster! The guy was a wrong pick from the Bergevin era! The Hurricanes have been stupid enough to offer a contract for that idiot! Kotkaniemi is a failure, not hard to see!
This coming from someone who probably cant even afford a habs preseason game
Kotkaniemi will be just fine.
When he's out of the league
@@J.G.Wentworth69420 Remember this exchange.
KK could have been a solid third line utility player but he has lost confidence from the coach.
KK the first round for Josh Anderson.
Honestly the 5 mil deal is going to age better than people think. If he ends up being a third line center with scoring upside, that 5 mil a year will be a bargain in just a couple years. Let the kid grow with less expectations. Letting trocheck go was a mistake but no one mentioned that trocheck told the canes he wasn’t resigning. He wanted to go to a bigger market like ny. He was NEVER going to stay with the canes. Has kk been disappointing? Yup. Can he eventually be a Jordan staal like 2 way center? Potentially. I think the contract will age better than people think. Buying him out with that many years isn’t going to happen. He’s still only what, 22 or 23? Laff was a rangers bust until he finally broke out this past year. Gotta give some players a little more time than others. As stated, overpaid now but will age better down the road.
You're clinging to a sinking ship spouting that nonsense. Dude's a complete bust & an AHL level Center at best.
Go Habs Go!!!!!
Can’t talk bout the canucks anymore eh? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The MTL obsession with watching KK fail is disgusting and unsettling. And I'm a Habs fan. Unnecessary video imo.
We should more-so focus on how the Canes are living a copy paste scenario from last year which, to me, signifies only one thing: The Canes aren't good enough. Sure, they are almost there, but ask the leafs if almost is enough. Can we blame all that on KK? hell no he's barely on the ice. So hows about as a fanbase we stop targeting the kid since at this point it's just clearly jealousy and revenge porn.
Great player with 15 points in his last 77 games.
😂
@@robertl8481 yeah, i never said anywhere he was great. Hes a bust and overpaid, thats clear to everyone. So get over him. You still obsessed with him because youre still jelly he chose Carolina over MTL?