There was never a Mercedes season where they were likely to win literally every race of the season. It’s especially irksome becuase this period of Red Bull domination wasn’t earned by Red Bull it as a direct result of FIA interference
No wonder they left the actual comment until nearly halfway through the video. What a crock - stretching one hyperbolic comment acknowledging that RB are faster than Merc into a nearly 9 minute long video. I wonder if The Race have any shame at all sometimes. THIS COMMENT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY ARAMCO.
The short answer is .... Adrian Newey ... forget Schumacher, or Hamilton or any of the legendary drivers, the GOAT of F1 is Adrian Newey - and it's not even close
Adrian Newey has TWENTY-THREE world championships (and counting) in his F1 career. To put things into perspective, if Newey were a constructor, he would be the second-most successful one in Formula 1's long history, with only Ferrari winning more titles - and it has taken them twice as many years
I feel like George needs to see the pace difference as a positive like Hamilton knowing that they really don't have a challenge to red bull but still credits Mercedes for improvement over the previous year.
Interesting how Merc has lost almost all of their competitive advantage since the cost cap Regs went into effect in 2021. When they can’t spend near 400 mil a season, they can’t seem to dominate as they always have. The cost cap regs have clearly placed a lot more emphasis on team organization, ingenuity, and efficiency, and Merc has some work to do in that regard it seems.
Both Ferrari and Mercedes. It really was no surprise that Red Bull came out on top when they were competitive while spending many millions less than those two teams before the budget cap.
@@michaeldonohue5402 The breach was minor, and even with the breach, the total spent does not even come close to what mercedes used to spend in the previous years.
@@michaeldonohue5402 they went over the cost cap for the 2021 season. That has nothing to do with the 2022 and 2023 season/cars which is when RB dominated and merc fell back.
This is what happens when Adrian Newey designs a car. From 2014 - 2021, Mercedes designed their car around their engine. Newey and Redbull designed their cars around aerodynamics. I reckon that if The Silver Arrows supplied Redbulls with engine during Merc's dominance, I doubt that Mercedes would've won 7 drivers and 8 constructors titles in that time
@@minatoyellowflash100 Rosberg beat Michael too. Also Lewis made Nico retire as soon as he won a title. Nico would beat Max a few times for the title if they were teammates for 5 seasons. Nico was not slow, he is an all time great. He was really fast and consistent. Prime Hamiliton was just a monster.
@@rk-wy8pu dude, Max barely beat hamilton in 2021 when he had a faster car. no way he would be taking any of hamiltons championships previous to that when Max was a lot more inconsistent and still crashing.
I'm convinced Red Bull is using the small bargeboard at the start of venturi tunnels to create a "y250" vortex which is then guided by the sidepods to the floor edge, sealing the floor. It gives efficiency but also performance at a broad range of ride heights giving RB a much bigger setup window as they are not sealing the floor with proximity to the tarmac which can change through the lap but with aerodynamic outwash which is consistent at all ride heights and conditions. I know 0% about aero but i shook Newey's hand in Austin once which clearly gives me insight and credibility.
Always annoying when a team that absolutely dominated for YEARS acts shocked and sus when another team is finally the one ahead by 20 seconds. Lewis won a race with 3 tires blown, and alwaysss had free pit stops, for years.
Sounds like red bull in 2014. Horner crying after winning 4 championship in a row. Then cried throughout the entire hybrid era until and forced continuous reg changes to nerf merc, until it was finally successful in 2021
@@andrewmelton2686 Christian Horner wasn't the only one. Pretty much anyone who wasn't Mercedes and did not have a Mercedes engine complained about the fact that Mercedes had their engine basically done the moment the regulations were finalized, and could spend the remaining years until 2014 optimizing the package around it. Meanwhile, Red Bull was stuck with a turd of a Renault engine, and the car basically had to be built to compensate for the immense power deficit, as no other engine supplier wanted to supply them with engines, knowing what the team was capable of when the engine was competitive. From how much more competitive Red Bull was from their first race with Honda, it was clear just how bad Renault had botched their hybrid engine design, and just how good the car actually was, having been able to compete for the final podium spot on a regular basis with an engine that was down at least 50HP on Ferrari, which itself was down on power compared to Mercedes.
@@andrewmelton2686 Most of Christian Horner's complain were with Renault in the early years of turbo Hybrid, because they were in no man's land and competed with no one, it's not until 2019-2021 when they started competing again that they tried to meddle to ban Ferrari's illegal engine and DAS. And there's been only 1 major and 2 minor reg changes in the 8 years of the pre-ground effect Turbo Hybrid era, Hardly "continuous".
@@andrewmelton2686 Mercedes had the chance to supply customer engines to Red Bull in 2016 if they wanted a fair like-vs-like chassis competition. Yet they chose to reallocate the available ex-Lotus supply to the underfuned Manor Racing team who then went bankrupt (compared to Red Bull Racing would almost certainly pay on time without issue). An interesting choice and seemingly not very sporting...
and the FIA changed the rules to try and stop them so I hope the same happens. the mercs where never this dominant and at least they did treat both drivers equally. can't say the same for rb.
@@logicxhardcorex I'm not sure that BAR or Mercedes have that many teams fan TBH. There will be some AMG fans and some Mercedes sportscar fans but I can't imagine it's that many, plus the old BAR fans. In any case, Mercedes flags seem scare at the German Grand Prix -- indeed unlike Honda hosting the Japanese Grand Prix at their circuit Suzuka or Ferrari hosting a grand prix at their circuit Mugello, Mercedes *don't even bother to host a German Grand Prix at all*.
If Mercedes tried to fix the porposing issue instead of ruining it for every other team by changing the rules mid season in 2020, the racing would have been close. The teams would have focused on fixing proposing and got on with making their cars better in other departments. In short, Mercedes sabotaged themselves and they are still complaining about the team that has figured out the ground effect aero better than anyone on the grip. Also when you have Newey who has been around for many years in F1 who has seen different generation of F1 cars, experience helps.
Not really fair, almost every driver was complaining about the ride quality and bouncing pretty often. The Merc's might have had it worst, but virtually every team had trouble on at least one race weekend.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 everyone knew how to fix it but nobody did because it would put them at a disadvantage if other teams didn’t rise their ride height as well. Mercedes knew they were struggling the most, so instead of asking for a fair rule such as a censor that measured purposing and forced higher ride heights if over the limit; they burned everything down hoping RedBull wouldn’t be able to adapt and bring them back with everyone. That backfired. Now RedBull is even more dominant and Mercedes went from 3rd best team to 4th
@@foldionepapyrus3441 i don't agree with that one. Everyone knew they only had to make cars ride height higher to reduce porpoising. Ask any driver what they want more dirty air or more porpoising. And this air the dirty air is so bad and that completely ruins what the rules were meant to be. People blame rb for ruining this season. I will tell you its the merc, they weren't able to produce a good enough car and additionally they induced more dirty.
@@HGRAP1 The drivers were pretty universally unhappy, and Merc didn't choose the new height rule, they with many others were pushing for ANY rule change that controlled the problem. As you rightly say no team can take the pain of running higher for a decent ride if the others don't have to as well. It is leaving too much performance on the table. Doesn't matter if its can't trip the sensor package limits that forces them to do it or an arbitrary number they must meet instead on that front. I suspect the sensor packaged would actually have been the preferred method - it hurts everyone's performance but puts the onus on the teams to get clever in ways to fix the problem and still be able to run low. Now its a static target that really just rewards the best able to adapt their aero team. (So RB most likely)
@@HGRAP1 no no, they were aware of that rb has the best balance across various ride height. They blamed rb were using flexi floors that were helping them. But I still think raising ride height hurted the sport. And raised car hurt ferrari the most
also in 2014 they were the best because of dirty dealings. This year the main reason why RB is so much ahead is because merc and ferrari shit the bed. Ferrari had the smallest improvement from last year and in some tracks was almost the same car as last year while mercedes themselves have admitted they fucked up. RB have just done a very good job but nothing out of the ordinary.
I dunno, it kinda looks great to me, it flows nicely with the organic surfaces of the w11, probably wouldn't work performance-wise but still. Maybe hot take here, but I think just purely looking at it from an aesthetic point of view, i find the RB18 & RB19 to be some of the most beautiful F1 cars of all time. they're no weird interruptions in the "line flow" and no weird winglets sticking out in weird places. also there is a air of simplicity in the design, like if you asked me at the start of last year which car would be the fastest, I would say the mercs as they seemed the most sophisticated looking with the x-chassis and the sidepod crash structure winglets. it really gives you the impression the design was penned out by an artist rather than being generated by CFD.
The thing I found interesting was how quickly the RB gained speed with the DRS open. Other team would take several seconds to get up over 330kph, but with the RB it seemed like it was almost instantaneous, so they can run faster for longer.
Adrian insists on a broad performance envelope for his cars…getting the aero downforce to complement the suspension stability in both straight and turning (yaw) while maintaining the optimal height is truly phenomenal…that even Checo can drive this year’s RB19 at competitive speeds with Max…except when hard braking on a low bite cold track (AUS) certainly speaks volumes.
I see that @WeAreTheRace is enjoying my 'Top Speed Heatmap' analyses (Shown at 4:56)! You did a great job analysing the different aspects of straight-line performance, and I'm glad to have given a (very tiny) contribution to that!
The idea of Red Bull only running their cars at, let’s say 85%, is absolutely genius. Having less money for development and wind tunnel time (not that it has apparently mattered) would normally be a disadvantage, however this let’s them increase power to stay ahead as other teams become faster with upgrades. Great job to the Horner and the folks at Red Bull!
Toto neve said that though, I know, I know, The Race said he did, but hey, guess what, The Race is a Red Bull mouthpiece and always praises Red Bull whilst slagging off Mercedes, McLaren and Ferrari.
George put a hole in max car, and then cry about max being too quick. Mean while, max cry about George poor judgment in wheel to wheel racing. I think George should focus on his driving.
Ever since joining Mercedes he’s changed so much in a bad way. He wasn’t like this in a Williams who was at the back of the grid. All he talks about now is RBR and how his team is slow.
Mercedes is still building the car around Hamilton. Hamilton looks like he's just riding out his contract. I think a driver needs to voice one-track data that engineers can use. I don't think George knows enough and lewis doesn't care like he once did
Mercedes is still building the car around Hamilton. Hamilton looks like he's just riding out his contract. I think a driver needs to voice on-track data that engineers can use. I don't think George knows enough and lewis doesn't care like he once did
Adrian Newey has been producing some of the most consistently competitive race car designs for many years now. It makes total sense that RB could be competitive, if not dominate the field, with AN running the technical program.
Dominance in F1 has been there all the time. You know you are an F1 fan when: - you expect the German anthem to continue in the Italian anthem after the first couplet when it is played somewhere - similar for the English anthem to continue in the German one - and now, the Dutch anthem is expected to continue in the Austrian anthem.
I wonder about the possibility of Red Bull having a better transmission gear ratio along with all the things we know so far. Is something I haven’t heard yet. Normally the transmission gear ratios are very similar from one team to another but, what if they did something to make it more sharp on corners as well as straight lines?
I find it interesting that what’s always named is the overall top speed, HAAS and Alpine may be able to match the RBs straight line speed but in doing so they sacrifice downforce. RB seems to able to have its cake and eat it to. They don’t sacrifice downforce for straight line speed. I’m not saying I agree with Russell, I think they’ve just developed the car better than anyone else. But please can we stop comparing the RB to lower midfield teams just because their top speed is the same? The comparison just isn’t justified.
He said that RB would still be faster if Merc took their rear wing off, while the RB was just 6kph faster than the Merc at the end of the straight while overtaking with drs, seems pretty outrageous to me.
Admittedly, George didn't know what Bottas was doing at the 2021 Imola GP to cause the two to crash-so I wonder why he has no idea about Red Bull's advantage.
This is simply what happens when the Red Bull organization is able to fire on all cylinders and work on a fully optimized car design, instead of being artificially held back by their competitors, being hamstrung by an inferior power unit package and having to compensate for that.
Russell and Merc are just embarrassing at this point. When they had the fastest car, it's fair, but now other team(s) have a faster car, they are doing tricks. Lost a lot of respect for Russell the last 2 years now that he is on Merc. Smh
There is something peculiar about RB that I noticed since last year. You know in the previous era they generated so much downforce from the floor that they always have had the slimmest rear wings? Weirdly enough in the era of ground effect they do the opposite and always had the biggest rear wings. Add to that the lack of porpoising and very effective DRS (opening a bigger wing should give a bigger drag reduction than slimmer wing), I think they might actually generate more downforce from over body aero and less from the floor. Classic Newey twist if true.
Take into account that the top speeds charts also takes into account top speeds obtained under tow or DRS. This is why they don't show at the top. In Qualy they regularly land among the highest top speeds
@@anshumankakralia7542 George said that even if they (Merc) take their rear wing off (so the Merc has less drag) the RB would still be faster, which is the outrageous claim the video is about, and why the Merc in the thumbnail has no rear wing.
@@soundscape26 A not insignificant amount of F1 fans are petty tw@s. Nothing comes close in motorsport, except maybe NASCAR fans. it's paper thin but it's there.
Mercedes consistently implying that others are doing something illegal while they have been known for milking the regulations to unreal extent since they joined.
Not like rb and other teams didn't do it lol. It's just that you remember what happens now and hear from just the top teams, and mercedes was the top team for years. They were winning so much and now they don't, everyone want to know their opinion, it makes for good headlines and good marketing
It’s probably also worth noting that RB has speed where it counts, Newey and RB have realized there isn’t a huge point in having great slow and mid corner speed, like Ferrari if you can’t overtake on the straights, F1 isn’t indycar, overtaking is done on straights only, therefore is you can at least keep within DRs range if the car in front, you just have to design a straight line rocket ship to win
I think RB relies less on their rear wing for downforce which reduces significant drag. Air intake can be on and rear underfloor. The rear wing is probably for balancing only. Look at it’s narrower than MB or F. @4:39
Well George, stop complaining, now you know what it was like for the rest of the grid from 2014 - 2020. At least when Redbull were winning in 2010,11, and in 12, we had some great battles and Alonso almost won the championship twice. During your beloved mercedes era, no one could touch them. Just enjoy the *MIDFIELD* battle till 2026.
It is fairly simple: RBR had a fantastic car in 2022 and simply optimised the hell out of it. When the baseline is already great and well understood then the sky is the limit. No trickery needed.
You don't even have to be an aero genius to look at the Red Bull and Merc cars and see there is just something off about the Merc. It looks so ungainly and top heavy almost? Doesn't look aerodynamic to me.
@@09csr Right, it just flows in the right ways. The Merc meanwhile looks terrible. Those cannon's along the side that they copied from Redbull really are odd as well. No wonder Merc doesn't understand what Redbull is doing.
@@WhiteG60 It's interesting how even the AM car is further back even though its basically using the back half of that Merc. The whole car just seems to be designed wrong.
Mercedes could have said the same thing when they dominated - its up to others to catch up but that didn't stop the rules from 'changing', often against Mercedes 'innovations' within the rules, 'limiting costs' and pushing 'more' stress and wear/tear on EVERYONE over increasingly 'long' and ridiculous amount of races with 'sprints' too that 'prevent' teams from really getting any opportunity to set their car up and dial it in to 'compete' as best they can with very limited 'practice' - can't do half the testing they need anymore. All playing into RB's favour and 'preventing' others from catching up now...
Newey designs on a drawing board, no computer design required. Hence, less wind tunnel time needed to see if the design works. As many engineers have said, he can see the airflow. There isn’t any cut in design time when you use a drawing board, that’s why the penalty RB got for the overspend hasn’t and won’t hurt them. You do t see flow vis on the cars in practice unlike most other teams. Newey designs the car, they build it and it works. Pure and simple! Other teams should look at the Williams cars he designed to see just how good he can design a car. Basic design faults like a driver sitting too far forward just don’t get made by Newey, ever! Everybody knows keeping weight centred in a car makes for batter handling, that is apart from Mercedes it seems.
I'm new to F1 and you can tell that the Bulls are sleek running car with a great design. You add in two very experience drivers and it will take a world class driver to even compete with them.
I support the cost cap because money should not be part of the competition, you can argue about which team has the best marketing VP or something. But I love it when it all just essentially (but not really) comes down to the actual skill and experties of the team. What I hate is actually limiting the development of the teams, you've given them cost cap... You can't tell them to stop developing an amazing car. That's just wrong.
I think this exposes a big flaw in the cost cap regulations. Of course they're needed to avoid the big teams just spending their ways to the top, but the weakness is in the fact that it can waste an entire season from a competitive perspective. Red Bull has this locked up as the cost cap has all but guaranteed that no other team can do the dramatic changes needed to catch them this season (plus there's every appearance that Red Bull has a bunch left in the tank they're not using). So as fans, we're all just watching the number 3 spot and looking at that as the new first place because the top 2 spots will most likely be red bulls the whole time (baring a DNF for some reason). So IMO the question is can the cost cap be adjusted to serve it's purpose, but also allow for better mid-season competition when drastic changes are needed?
More like it exposes a big flaw in Mercedes engineering lol. Can’t just throw 450 million at your problems anymore, have to be efficient with your development and upgrade path.
@@stevenst6337 yea but even Guenther complained about being unable to catch up because the cost cap is so low. And as an Aston Martin fan it's an issue there too.
Along with also having to ask the questions on if some parts that 'can't be changed in spec' according to the rules should be so locked down with the cost cap also in place? - IIRC the engines for instance can't be improved mid season now, but if you want to spend your cost cap making your power unit better and then take the penalty for using an extra engine though the season surely that should be allowed? And on if RB got sufficiently spanked for breaking the cost cap during the development of this car? - it may not have been a massive amount by pre-cost cap F1 terms but it does still have a rather large number of zero's, enough to really make a difference. They still clearly have one of the best guys if not the best guy for the current regs in the team, RB were always going to enjoy these rules with Mr Aero (Including Ground Effect) onboard, but this level of dominance does rather suggest they made good use of that overspend.
@@stevenst6337 true... but it's not just Merc right? Ferrari and Aston aren't going to be able to catch them either without a massive spend / rework of some key components.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 "if you want to spend your cost cap making your power unit better" the engines are at present not part of the cost cap, so you're free to develop them within the limits of the freeze currently in force. So, really the only part where the engines will affect your costs, is if you need more than the 3 (or has it now been increased to 4?) engines allowed per season
I’m no professional, but I see rebull (engine) rev higher and faster than all teams. With better downforce, it allows them to accelerate in corners to the straights much quicker than any other cars.
We've just gone from one team dominating to the other and this will be the way it'll be till the rules are changed. Apparently they have something in the cooling, i.e. no radiators and have a means of blasting the air out the back of the car which energises the rear wing apparently. An ex F1 engineer told me this, so it must be out there. The cars suck, there is even less passing now than in 2021. They've completely failed.
yes alpha tauri and haas might have similar top speed but redbull is the only one without low spec rear wing.. so redbull have normal downforce while having super high top speed... amazing engineering tbh
The FIA spent several years slowing Mercedes down (engine materials, party modes, FRIC suspensions, and all they’ve done is created another dominant team!
"It's down to others to catch up, not for it to be slowed down" are we forgetting when the FIA did just that to Mercedes from 2020 - 2021 with the low rake concept. Odd that just because its RedBull the viewpoint has switched
Conveniently ignoring the fact Pirelli required those changes as ground effect was planned for 2021 but got delayed a year by Corona. Merc and AM even expected it to hit high rake cars most (RB and AT) so were fine with it. It was never meant to hurt anyone specific; it was a safety measure as extending the old regs into 2021 would result in teams producing so much downforce, the rear tyres wouldn't be able to handle it. Just shows merc has no clue about aero, they wouldn't have been so smug about it hurting high rake cars. Good on them that it hurt low rake cars, they got to pay for their arrogance.
I really feel like the Honda PU is outperforming Mercedes PU by a decent margin now. The Ferrari PU is probably 2nd best and even the Alpine may have a bit more power than the Merc now. What a change from a few years back.
For me this is an easy answer. Red bull went over the cost cap in year one. No amount is small in formula one. Since the regulations haven't changed. They are still benefiting from the 2.2 million dollar breach. I'm sure, that if all the other teams had an extra 2.2 million each to develop their own car. They would be faster on track the last two years. That doesn't mean as fast as a red bull or beating a red bull. Just faster. I've been watching formula one for 40+ years and I'm positive that it has an effect. The media is just too afraid to say it to red bull or to put it on air. They are afraid of losing the connection for future access to red bull and its drivers for media content. Max has shown he will do this to the media.
I'd be surprised if George actually knows diddly about the engineering other than how his car feels on a given weekend. Mercedes clearly coaches their drivers to talk down their car and potential since they both do it. If I had to guess, I'd say it's because they figure if they do get back on top, they want to be seen as the plucky underdog emerging and want people to forget ASAP how they dominated the sport unquestionably for 7 years lol
Mike Elliot claims that unlike some drivers (where the engineers need to interpret what they say, and often they nod but then say something that makes it clear they don't understand), he often forgets that Russell is not trained as an engineer as he talks like an engineer (and obviously has an understanding that's correct of vehicle dynamics and so forth). So I believe Russell's technical skills are very good.
When Russell said that I really felt for him, because while I'm sure its not actually true, I will bet it damn well feels like it is when you see those Redbulls flying past you on the straights...
Ed, in that case, why did they change the 2021 car knowing they had big regulations changes in 2022? Not to slow Mercedes down? Not firing shots at you or anything.
Redbull aren't trying to play catch up like everyone else and they run the car the way it was designed by Newey. Teams that have had to play around with suspension to stop porpoising etc will have had their design ideas squashed and had to change them. redbull is quick because of it's aero and mechanical design efficiency, you can't have both consistently if you have to keep playing with the setup.
You have to remember this time last year merc was 1.4 seconds a lap slower and they are slowly roping in rb because they are roughly around .6 slower a lap, slow progress is better than no progress I guess
This time last year RB and Ferrari were both running as fast as possible to beat each other. This year RB can take it easy. The real gap between Mercedes and RB is still unknown and probably much closer to 1.4s than 0.6s
merc suffered from the new car changes. just as they flourished under the first hybrid regs. dnf's aside, even ferarri are faster than merc. mercs suffered all down the grid last year, while looking better this year. honda has just found a better use of the new fuels than merc was able to. although aston seemed to have found something this year merc can't replicate either. they've been mostly ahead of merc too.
He has not much else to speak about, they are dominating him, and the team made sure that he would be dancing in front of Hamilton again. If he knows so well where the issues lie, he could stay in the garage and help the engineers fix it, like many great drivers did.
At the end of the day i think it comes down to the team. Red Bull spent 2014-2020 as the underdog with a shit engine, and developed a really good team of engineers to overcome their disadvantage. Now they are reaping the benefits
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After the period from 2014-2020 it’s actually quite refreshing hearing Mercedes and Mercedes’ drivers complain about just how fast another team is
Indeed, especially after all the top teams refused to give Red Bull a competitive engine ...
Sure is lol
@tonyb9735 they knew that since 2010, the only thing that would hold red bull from being champions was them not having a good engine
There was never a Mercedes season where they were likely to win literally every race of the season. It’s especially irksome becuase this period of Red Bull domination wasn’t earned by Red Bull it as a direct result of FIA interference
It must be really frustrating for George as he moved to the team as they are struggling with the new regs
This is a non-story. Russell said, in so many words, "They're much faster than us and we're stumped." How outrageous.
Anything to create content.
No wonder they left the actual comment until nearly halfway through the video. What a crock - stretching one hyperbolic comment acknowledging that RB are faster than Merc into a nearly 9 minute long video. I wonder if The Race have any shame at all sometimes. THIS COMMENT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY ARAMCO.
Yep, The Race is slowly sinking into the clickbaitswamp. I haven't unsubscribed yet, but I'm close.
8.45 seconds 😢
Yes, nothing burger of a video.
The short answer is .... Adrian Newey ... forget Schumacher, or Hamilton or any of the legendary drivers, the GOAT of F1 is Adrian Newey - and it's not even close
I agree, he has done a lot for the sport overall, and over a very long period of time.
Adrian Newey has TWENTY-THREE world championships (and counting) in his F1 career. To put things into perspective, if Newey were a constructor, he would be the second-most successful one in Formula 1's long history, with only Ferrari winning more titles - and it has taken them twice as many years
I wonder why anyone is surprised Adrian Newey has produced a wonder ground effect car !
@@nigelhopkinson6614 Bring back active suspension, now that would be intersting to watch.
Also Newey's F1 dad, Colin Chapman.
I'm not a red bull or Mercedes fan nor Verstappen or Russel but I just think George is just mad about red bull having an advantage this year.
He's probably upset he had to wait years for bottas to leave, and now the car isn't the best one anymore.
You're probably not far off, and to George's credit; understandable I guess lol
@@titancheat he blames everybody else for his mistakes… that’s not normal
I feel like George needs to see the pace difference as a positive like Hamilton knowing that they really don't have a challenge to red bull but still credits Mercedes for improvement over the previous year.
It's hard to swallow that you arrive to a 8 seasons' winning team just when it stops being the fastest.
Interesting how Merc has lost almost all of their competitive advantage since the cost cap Regs went into effect in 2021. When they can’t spend near 400 mil a season, they can’t seem to dominate as they always have. The cost cap regs have clearly placed a lot more emphasis on team organization, ingenuity, and efficiency, and Merc has some work to do in that regard it seems.
Ironic that RB was the team that went over the cost cap last season
Both Ferrari and Mercedes. It really was no surprise that Red Bull came out on top when they were competitive while spending many millions less than those two teams before the budget cap.
@@michaeldonohue5402 By a few thousand dollars in a massive team like that that is pretty insignificant.
@@michaeldonohue5402 The breach was minor, and even with the breach, the total spent does not even come close to what mercedes used to spend in the previous years.
@@michaeldonohue5402 they went over the cost cap for the 2021 season. That has nothing to do with the 2022 and 2023 season/cars which is when RB dominated and merc fell back.
This is what happens when Adrian Newey designs a car. From 2014 - 2021, Mercedes designed their car around their engine. Newey and Redbull designed their cars around aerodynamics. I reckon that if The Silver Arrows supplied Redbulls with engine during Merc's dominance, I doubt that Mercedes would've won 7 drivers and 8 constructors titles in that time
Max would have been a 6 time champion by now had RedBull had a Mercedes engine from 2016.
@@rk-wy8pu Not against prime Hamiltion.
@@minatoyellowflash100 Rosberg beat Michael too.
Also Lewis made Nico retire as soon as he won a title.
Nico would beat Max a few times for the title if they were teammates for 5 seasons.
Nico was not slow, he is an all time great. He was really fast and consistent.
Prime Hamiliton was just a monster.
@@minatoyellowflash100 He is a f1 world champion, that makes him a great one, a great F1 driver in history.
@@rk-wy8pu dude, Max barely beat hamilton in 2021 when he had a faster car. no way he would be taking any of hamiltons championships previous to that when Max was a lot more inconsistent and still crashing.
I'm convinced Red Bull is using the small bargeboard at the start of venturi tunnels to create a "y250" vortex which is then guided by the sidepods to the floor edge, sealing the floor. It gives efficiency but also performance at a broad range of ride heights giving RB a much bigger setup window as they are not sealing the floor with proximity to the tarmac which can change through the lap but with aerodynamic outwash which is consistent at all ride heights and conditions. I know 0% about aero but i shook Newey's hand in Austin once which clearly gives me insight and credibility.
Always annoying when a team that absolutely dominated for YEARS acts shocked and sus when another team is finally the one ahead by 20 seconds. Lewis won a race with 3 tires blown, and alwaysss had free pit stops, for years.
Sounds like red bull in 2014. Horner crying after winning 4 championship in a row. Then cried throughout the entire hybrid era until and forced continuous reg changes to nerf merc, until it was finally successful in 2021
@@andrewmelton2686 Christian Horner wasn't the only one. Pretty much anyone who wasn't Mercedes and did not have a Mercedes engine complained about the fact that Mercedes had their engine basically done the moment the regulations were finalized, and could spend the remaining years until 2014 optimizing the package around it. Meanwhile, Red Bull was stuck with a turd of a Renault engine, and the car basically had to be built to compensate for the immense power deficit, as no other engine supplier wanted to supply them with engines, knowing what the team was capable of when the engine was competitive. From how much more competitive Red Bull was from their first race with Honda, it was clear just how bad Renault had botched their hybrid engine design, and just how good the car actually was, having been able to compete for the final podium spot on a regular basis with an engine that was down at least 50HP on Ferrari, which itself was down on power compared to Mercedes.
@@andrewmelton2686 Most of Christian Horner's complain were with Renault in the early years of turbo Hybrid, because they were in no man's land and competed with no one, it's not until 2019-2021 when they started competing again that they tried to meddle to ban Ferrari's illegal engine and DAS. And there's been only 1 major and 2 minor reg changes in the 8 years of the pre-ground effect Turbo Hybrid era, Hardly "continuous".
@@andrewmelton2686 Mercedes had the chance to supply customer engines to Red Bull in 2016 if they wanted a fair like-vs-like chassis competition. Yet they chose to reallocate the available ex-Lotus supply to the underfuned Manor Racing team who then went bankrupt (compared to Red Bull Racing would almost certainly pay on time without issue). An interesting choice and seemingly not very sporting...
and the FIA changed the rules to try and stop them so I hope the same happens. the mercs where never this dominant and at least they did treat both drivers equally. can't say the same for rb.
This is classic Merc tactic. They start it. Just wait for mercy fanboys crying about rules change in every social media, because red Bull too fast.
It goes to show the level of engineering taking place at redbull
Adrian Newey really is something else
Sure, but a lot of times it's just hit or miss..... especially with constant rule changes.
Didn't Lewis Also say Mercedes has the Best Engineers n Don't Make Mistakes ?
@@vincecarlo Adrian is the best, Lewis is my boy, but he's wrong here.
@@CristanioPeweyyy yea, the GOAT with 11 WCCs & 12 WDCs
I mean, this is how it goes for teams that aren't the benchmark. The next dominant team will face the very same judgements and complaints.
@Atkascha facts plus their fans are the worst in f1 and almost any sport….
@Atkascha fax bro
@@logicxhardcorex I'm not sure that BAR or Mercedes have that many teams fan TBH. There will be some AMG fans and some Mercedes sportscar fans but I can't imagine it's that many, plus the old BAR fans. In any case, Mercedes flags seem scare at the German Grand Prix -- indeed unlike Honda hosting the Japanese Grand Prix at their circuit Suzuka or Ferrari hosting a grand prix at their circuit Mugello, Mercedes *don't even bother to host a German Grand Prix at all*.
If Mercedes tried to fix the porposing issue instead of ruining it for every other team by changing the rules mid season in 2020, the racing would have been close. The teams would have focused on fixing proposing and got on with making their cars better in other departments. In short, Mercedes sabotaged themselves and they are still complaining about the team that has figured out the ground effect aero better than anyone on the grip. Also when you have Newey who has been around for many years in F1 who has seen different generation of F1 cars, experience helps.
Not really fair, almost every driver was complaining about the ride quality and bouncing pretty often. The Merc's might have had it worst, but virtually every team had trouble on at least one race weekend.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 everyone knew how to fix it but nobody did because it would put them at a disadvantage if other teams didn’t rise their ride height as well.
Mercedes knew they were struggling the most, so instead of asking for a fair rule such as a censor that measured purposing and forced higher ride heights if over the limit; they burned everything down hoping RedBull wouldn’t be able to adapt and bring them back with everyone.
That backfired. Now RedBull is even more dominant and Mercedes went from 3rd best team to 4th
@@foldionepapyrus3441 i don't agree with that one. Everyone knew they only had to make cars ride height higher to reduce porpoising. Ask any driver what they want more dirty air or more porpoising. And this air the dirty air is so bad and that completely ruins what the rules were meant to be. People blame rb for ruining this season. I will tell you its the merc, they weren't able to produce a good enough car and additionally they induced more dirty.
@@HGRAP1 The drivers were pretty universally unhappy, and Merc didn't choose the new height rule, they with many others were pushing for ANY rule change that controlled the problem.
As you rightly say no team can take the pain of running higher for a decent ride if the others don't have to as well. It is leaving too much performance on the table. Doesn't matter if its can't trip the sensor package limits that forces them to do it or an arbitrary number they must meet instead on that front.
I suspect the sensor packaged would actually have been the preferred method - it hurts everyone's performance but puts the onus on the teams to get clever in ways to fix the problem and still be able to run low. Now its a static target that really just rewards the best able to adapt their aero team. (So RB most likely)
@@HGRAP1 no no, they were aware of that rb has the best balance across various ride height. They blamed rb were using flexi floors that were helping them. But I still think raising ride height hurted the sport. And raised car hurt ferrari the most
They kept pretty quiet back in 2014 and forth tho... This is how every non-MB fan felt back in those years. Time to cope with it.
also in 2014 they were the best because of dirty dealings. This year the main reason why RB is so much ahead is because merc and ferrari shit the bed. Ferrari had the smallest improvement from last year and in some tracks was almost the same car as last year while mercedes themselves have admitted they fucked up. RB have just done a very good job but nothing out of the ordinary.
The way Russell went from lovable youngster to petty, bitter clown, as soon as he joined Mercedes is truly astonishing.
he fits right in with the fake victim lewis spewing political and racial lies and propaganda
💯💯. I used to love George, but he complains and cries so much. It’s completely turned me off. Not a fan anymore of George.
He got that Mercedes PR boot camp and became a true toto bootlicker
George showed his true colors at Imola 2021 when he was still driving for Williams.
Come on, bro, it’s just mind games between rivals. I think it’s entertaining when drivers play these games; it’s never personal between them
Seeing the W14 with RB sidepods was weirdly cursed.
I dunno, it kinda looks great to me, it flows nicely with the organic surfaces of the w11, probably wouldn't work performance-wise but still.
Maybe hot take here, but I think just purely looking at it from an aesthetic point of view, i find the RB18 & RB19 to be some of the most beautiful F1 cars of all time. they're no weird interruptions in the "line flow" and no weird winglets sticking out in weird places. also there is a air of simplicity in the design, like if you asked me at the start of last year which car would be the fastest, I would say the mercs as they seemed the most sophisticated looking with the x-chassis and the sidepod crash structure winglets. it really gives you the impression the design was penned out by an artist rather than being generated by CFD.
The thing I found interesting was how quickly the RB gained speed with the DRS open. Other team would take several seconds to get up over 330kph, but with the RB it seemed like it was almost instantaneous, so they can run faster for longer.
They don’t get the majority amount of downforce from their wing
on the website of "The Race" the DRS advantage is explained. It's complex. 👍👍
DRS also doubles as the VTEC switch
Adrian insists on a broad performance envelope for his cars…getting the aero downforce to complement the suspension stability
in both straight and turning (yaw) while maintaining the optimal height is truly phenomenal…that even Checo can drive this year’s
RB19 at competitive speeds with Max…except when hard braking on a low bite cold track (AUS) certainly speaks volumes.
I see that @WeAreTheRace is enjoying my 'Top Speed Heatmap' analyses (Shown at 4:56)! You did a great job analysing the different aspects of straight-line performance, and I'm glad to have given a (very tiny) contribution to that!
The idea of Red Bull only running their cars at, let’s say 85%, is absolutely genius. Having less money for development and wind tunnel time (not that it has apparently mattered) would normally be a disadvantage, however this let’s them increase power to stay ahead as other teams become faster with upgrades. Great job to the Horner and the folks at Red Bull!
Lol first Toto saying these regulations suck because they can’t get it right and now Georgie Boy with the blasphemy over his tea and crumpets.
Toto neve said that though, I know, I know, The Race said he did, but hey, guess what, The Race is a Red Bull mouthpiece and always praises Red Bull whilst slagging off Mercedes, McLaren and Ferrari.
George put a hole in max car, and then cry about max being too quick.
Mean while, max cry about George poor judgment in wheel to wheel racing.
I think George should focus on his driving.
It’s hard to understand why another car is faster, when you don’t even understand why your car isn’t 😂😂😂😂
That sounds like two sides of the same problem. 🙂
Ever since joining Mercedes he’s changed so much in a bad way. He wasn’t like this in a Williams who was at the back of the grid. All he talks about now is RBR and how his team is slow.
Stop crying
Mercedes is still building the car around Hamilton. Hamilton looks like he's just riding out his contract. I think a driver needs to voice one-track data that engineers can use. I don't think George knows enough and lewis doesn't care like he once did
Mercedes is still building the car around Hamilton. Hamilton looks like he's just riding out his contract. I think a driver needs to voice on-track data that engineers can use. I don't think George knows enough and lewis doesn't care like he once did
@@andrewmelton2686 that’s why George needs to do since he’s known for crying
@@Lance-Stroll thank you that’s what people need to understand
Adrian Newey has been producing some of the most consistently competitive race car designs for many years now. It makes total sense that RB could be competitive, if not dominate the field, with AN running the technical program.
RED BULL MOSTEST CHEATINGEST TEAM EVER IN F1 SPORTS HISTORY
Dominance in F1 has been there all the time. You know you are an F1 fan when:
- you expect the German anthem to continue in the Italian anthem after the first couplet when it is played somewhere
- similar for the English anthem to continue in the German one
- and now, the Dutch anthem is expected to continue in the Austrian anthem.
I wonder about the possibility of Red Bull having a better transmission gear ratio along with all the things we know so far. Is something I haven’t heard yet. Normally the transmission gear ratios are very similar from one team to another but, what if they did something to make it more sharp on corners as well as straight lines?
I said the same thing last race. Rb seems to wind through the gears much more quickly than Mercedes and Mercedes short shifts all the time.
I find it interesting that what’s always named is the overall top speed, HAAS and Alpine may be able to match the RBs straight line speed but in doing so they sacrifice downforce. RB seems to able to have its cake and eat it to. They don’t sacrifice downforce for straight line speed. I’m not saying I agree with Russell, I think they’ve just developed the car better than anyone else. But please can we stop comparing the RB to lower midfield teams just because their top speed is the same? The comparison just isn’t justified.
5:56 For others to catch-up and not for it to be slowed down. Really? Like Mercedes weren't pegged back 🙄
What clickbait nonsense, there is no 'outrageous claim' at all. What happened to this channel?
The purpose of the video was to discuss Russel's statement, which was pretty hyperbolic, so checks out for me.
He said that RB would still be faster if Merc took their rear wing off, while the RB was just 6kph faster than the Merc at the end of the straight while overtaking with drs, seems pretty outrageous to me.
This is an example on how to make a video with very little new information. George's "claim" was tongue in cheek, nothing else.
@@maxdenbreejen9844 he's obviously not being serious.
@@ab8jeh didn’t he in literally the next sentence reiterate that he was being 100% serious.
Admittedly, George didn't know what Bottas was doing at the 2021 Imola GP to cause the two to crash-so I wonder why he has no idea about Red Bull's advantage.
This is simply what happens when the Red Bull organization is able to fire on all cylinders and work on a fully optimized car design, instead of being artificially held back by their competitors, being hamstrung by an inferior power unit package and having to compensate for that.
Russell and Merc are just embarrassing at this point. When they had the fastest car, it's fair, but now other team(s) have a faster car, they are doing tricks. Lost a lot of respect for Russell the last 2 years now that he is on Merc. Smh
I think Mercedes and their drivers are the last ones to discuss and complain about another team being much faster than the rest...
Red Bull has a LEGAL chest code: Adrian bloody Newy
His contract hours should be included in the CFD allowance
@@titancheat That is the problem FIA did not think about... they cut down on CFD and wind tunnel time, but Newey designs cars on a drawing board.
And he just signed for another 3-5 years ;-)
@@jacob2808 💀
Georgie Russell gotta be envious of RBR
Well so would you be, if you has waited all this time to get into a Mercedes, and get there just as they fall off their perch!
@@tonyb9735 all the driver's are envious, the reserves, the juniors, but no one but Russell makes it so obvious
Did anyone in the comments complaining about George even read the full quote? He literally said kudos to them for the great achievement.
These are The Race viewers, can't expect them to actually find the original quote OR give any credit to anyone who doesn't drive for Red Bull.
There is something peculiar about RB that I noticed since last year. You know in the previous era they generated so much downforce from the floor that they always have had the slimmest rear wings? Weirdly enough in the era of ground effect they do the opposite and always had the biggest rear wings. Add to that the lack of porpoising and very effective DRS (opening a bigger wing should give a bigger drag reduction than slimmer wing), I think they might actually generate more downforce from over body aero and less from the floor. Classic Newey twist if true.
To stop redbull dominance. First you need to know what makes it so dominant. And if they knew, they would have copied that by now.
You can’t blaming RBR for being right…. Wait… didn’t Toto used to say that for 8 years???
Mercedes really have been exposed these past 2 years. Very much lacking in the aero design department
RB has done a great job meanwhile Mercedes keeps on crying looking like a bunch of losers instead of focusing on improving their cars.
So, Mercedes can’t do this anymore and now Red Bull is and they are like “why are we not the fastest anymore?!”
Tough!!!
Take into account that the top speeds charts also takes into account top speeds obtained under tow or DRS. This is why they don't show at the top. In Qualy they regularly land among the highest top speeds
Does anybody else notice there's a spoiler missing on the Mercedes in the thumbnail?
That’s because Russel said that RB would be faster even if they (merc) took their rear wing off.
@@maxdenbreejen9844 that doesn't even make sense!! What are u typing??! RB is already faster.
@@anshumankakralia7542 They meant "...would *still* be faster...".
@@anshumankakralia7542 George said that even if they (Merc) take their rear wing off (so the Merc has less drag) the RB would still be faster, which is the outrageous claim the video is about, and why the Merc in the thumbnail has no rear wing.
Mercedes 2020 car is 2.5s faster than the Red Bull 2023 RB19 - regulations changes was to slow Mercedes down Ed
Man he turned to hated villain fast
Always has been
The Lewis fangirls already hated him after last season....
well he is pretty pathetic tbh.
Is he really hated?
@@soundscape26 A not insignificant amount of F1 fans are petty tw@s. Nothing comes close in motorsport, except maybe NASCAR fans. it's paper thin but it's there.
Great video, I love these deep dives into an apparant throw away comment.
I love a deep dive, but this wasn't one.
Mercedes consistently implying that others are doing something illegal while they have been known for milking the regulations to unreal extent since they joined.
Not like rb and other teams didn't do it lol. It's just that you remember what happens now and hear from just the top teams, and mercedes was the top team for years.
They were winning so much and now they don't, everyone want to know their opinion, it makes for good headlines and good marketing
Because they exceeded the cost cap and got away with it.
5:55 no.
They need to lift the cost cap and testing restrictions as soon as possible
It’s probably also worth noting that RB has speed where it counts, Newey and RB have realized there isn’t a huge point in having great slow and mid corner speed, like Ferrari if you can’t overtake on the straights, F1 isn’t indycar, overtaking is done on straights only, therefore is you can at least keep within DRs range if the car in front, you just have to design a straight line rocket ship to win
I think RB relies less on their rear wing for downforce which reduces significant drag. Air intake can be on and rear underfloor. The rear wing is probably for balancing only.
Look at it’s narrower than MB or F. @4:39
Merc get to experience what the rest of the field experienced from 2014-2020.
Well George, stop complaining, now you know what it was like for the rest of the grid from 2014 - 2020. At least when Redbull were winning in 2010,11, and in 12, we had some great battles and Alonso almost won the championship twice. During your beloved mercedes era, no one could touch them. Just enjoy the *MIDFIELD* battle till 2026.
For someone who must be absolutely livid that Mercedes stopped being dominant right as he joined, Russell is so perfect in Mercedes PR talk
It is fairly simple: RBR had a fantastic car in 2022 and simply optimised the hell out of it. When the baseline is already great and well understood then the sky is the limit. No trickery needed.
Basically merc has to suck it up until next year when they get the chance to choose another wrong design 😂
Haha i have no idea whats going on, but i love F1 car design and am mesmerized by the speed
You don't even have to be an aero genius to look at the Red Bull and Merc cars and see there is just something off about the Merc. It looks so ungainly and top heavy almost? Doesn't look aerodynamic to me.
Like the alpine a year or two ago. Higher center of gravity
There is a rule of thumb in race car engineering that says if it looks fast, it probably is fast
The RB is a gorgeous car.
@@09csr Right, it just flows in the right ways. The Merc meanwhile looks terrible. Those cannon's along the side that they copied from Redbull really are odd as well. No wonder Merc doesn't understand what Redbull is doing.
@@WhiteG60 It's interesting how even the AM car is further back even though its basically using the back half of that Merc. The whole car just seems to be designed wrong.
Mercedes could have said the same thing when they dominated - its up to others to catch up but that didn't stop the rules from 'changing', often against Mercedes 'innovations' within the rules, 'limiting costs' and pushing 'more' stress and wear/tear on EVERYONE over increasingly 'long' and ridiculous amount of races with 'sprints' too that 'prevent' teams from really getting any opportunity to set their car up and dial it in to 'compete' as best they can with very limited 'practice' - can't do half the testing they need anymore. All playing into RB's favour and 'preventing' others from catching up now...
this is so funny to hear, knowing that this years red bull does not have as big an advantage as the best merc did in the last era.
Toto: "Everyone must change their car designs!"
RB19 appears.
Toto: "No! Not like that!"
🤣
Newey designs on a drawing board, no computer design required. Hence, less wind tunnel time needed to see if the design works. As many engineers have said, he can see the airflow.
There isn’t any cut in design time when you use a drawing board, that’s why the penalty RB got for the overspend hasn’t and won’t hurt them. You do t see flow vis on the cars in practice unlike most other teams. Newey designs the car, they build it and it works. Pure and simple! Other teams should look at the Williams cars he designed to see just how good he can design a car.
Basic design faults like a driver sitting too far forward just don’t get made by Newey, ever!
Everybody knows keeping weight centred in a car makes for batter handling, that is apart from Mercedes it seems.
Watch the quali onboard of Perez at Baku. The car looks held back on the back straight… open the DRS and you could see it physically open up. Crazy.
Last year they couldn't pass the Alpines because their straight line speed was ridiculous.
I'm new to F1 and you can tell that the Bulls are sleek running car with a great design. You add in two very experience drivers and it will take a world class driver to even compete with them.
after last season, it's socking that no one copied the RB anti-dive front end, not even Alphatauri who could have just bought it!
Alfa Romeo and McLaren had similar geometries from launch last year. 🙂
I support the cost cap because money should not be part of the competition, you can argue about which team has the best marketing VP or something. But I love it when it all just essentially (but not really) comes down to the actual skill and experties of the team. What I hate is actually limiting the development of the teams, you've given them cost cap... You can't tell them to stop developing an amazing car. That's just wrong.
I think this exposes a big flaw in the cost cap regulations. Of course they're needed to avoid the big teams just spending their ways to the top, but the weakness is in the fact that it can waste an entire season from a competitive perspective. Red Bull has this locked up as the cost cap has all but guaranteed that no other team can do the dramatic changes needed to catch them this season (plus there's every appearance that Red Bull has a bunch left in the tank they're not using). So as fans, we're all just watching the number 3 spot and looking at that as the new first place because the top 2 spots will most likely be red bulls the whole time (baring a DNF for some reason). So IMO the question is can the cost cap be adjusted to serve it's purpose, but also allow for better mid-season competition when drastic changes are needed?
More like it exposes a big flaw in Mercedes engineering lol. Can’t just throw 450 million at your problems anymore, have to be efficient with your development and upgrade path.
@@stevenst6337 yea but even Guenther complained about being unable to catch up because the cost cap is so low. And as an Aston Martin fan it's an issue there too.
Along with also having to ask the questions on if some parts that 'can't be changed in spec' according to the rules should be so locked down with the cost cap also in place? - IIRC the engines for instance can't be improved mid season now, but if you want to spend your cost cap making your power unit better and then take the penalty for using an extra engine though the season surely that should be allowed?
And on if RB got sufficiently spanked for breaking the cost cap during the development of this car? - it may not have been a massive amount by pre-cost cap F1 terms but it does still have a rather large number of zero's, enough to really make a difference. They still clearly have one of the best guys if not the best guy for the current regs in the team, RB were always going to enjoy these rules with Mr Aero (Including Ground Effect) onboard, but this level of dominance does rather suggest they made good use of that overspend.
@@stevenst6337 true... but it's not just Merc right? Ferrari and Aston aren't going to be able to catch them either without a massive spend / rework of some key components.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 "if you want to spend your cost cap making your power unit better"
the engines are at present not part of the cost cap, so you're free to develop them within the limits of the freeze currently in force. So, really the only part where the engines will affect your costs, is if you need more than the 3 (or has it now been increased to 4?) engines allowed per season
2:12 the RB picture is now well aligned so the difference is exaggerated
They have Mr newey ,arguably the best car designer ever 👍👊
They have Cheated to of beated that Hamilton
The Race: Can you please explain how the 15mm ride height rise still allows RB to run touching the floor and sparking?
The 15mm rule is only for the OUTSIDE RIM of the floor, NOTTHE REST OF THE FLOOR
@@Redlingstein their outside edge touches the floor too.
just have all teams go over the cost cap and barely get punished, it might help the field get closer
This channel is so high quality man
Mercs should blame themselves first
I’m no professional, but I see rebull (engine) rev higher and faster than all teams. With better downforce, it allows them to accelerate in corners to the straights much quicker than any other cars.
We've just gone from one team dominating to the other and this will be the way it'll be till the rules are changed.
Apparently they have something in the cooling, i.e. no radiators and have a means of blasting the air out the back of the car which energises the rear wing apparently. An ex F1 engineer told me this, so it must be out there.
The cars suck, there is even less passing now than in 2021. They've completely failed.
The cars definitely suck, that is the idea of ground effect.
yes alpha tauri and haas might have similar top speed but redbull is the only one without low spec rear wing.. so redbull have normal downforce while having super high top speed... amazing engineering tbh
Copying is easy, understanding is another
The FIA spent several years slowing Mercedes down (engine materials, party modes, FRIC suspensions, and all they’ve done is created another dominant team!
Straight fed up from Merc like Ferrari back in 2010 to 2013 accusing Red Bull running traction control.
"It's down to others to catch up, not for it to be slowed down" are we forgetting when the FIA did just that to Mercedes from 2020 - 2021 with the low rake concept. Odd that just because its RedBull the viewpoint has switched
Conveniently ignoring the fact Pirelli required those changes as ground effect was planned for 2021 but got delayed a year by Corona. Merc and AM even expected it to hit high rake cars most (RB and AT) so were fine with it. It was never meant to hurt anyone specific; it was a safety measure as extending the old regs into 2021 would result in teams producing so much downforce, the rear tyres wouldn't be able to handle it. Just shows merc has no clue about aero, they wouldn't have been so smug about it hurting high rake cars. Good on them that it hurt low rake cars, they got to pay for their arrogance.
I really feel like the Honda PU is outperforming Mercedes PU by a decent margin now. The Ferrari PU is probably 2nd best and even the Alpine may have a bit more power than the Merc now. What a change from a few years back.
For me this is an easy answer. Red bull went over the cost cap in year one. No amount is small in formula one. Since the regulations haven't changed. They are still benefiting from the 2.2 million dollar breach. I'm sure, that if all the other teams had an extra 2.2 million each to develop their own car. They would be faster on track the last two years. That doesn't mean as fast as a red bull or beating a red bull. Just faster. I've been watching formula one for 40+ years and I'm positive that it has an effect. The media is just too afraid to say it to red bull or to put it on air. They are afraid of losing the connection for future access to red bull and its drivers for media content. Max has shown he will do this to the media.
I'd be surprised if George actually knows diddly about the engineering other than how his car feels on a given weekend. Mercedes clearly coaches their drivers to talk down their car and potential since they both do it. If I had to guess, I'd say it's because they figure if they do get back on top, they want to be seen as the plucky underdog emerging and want people to forget ASAP how they dominated the sport unquestionably for 7 years lol
Mike Elliot claims that unlike some drivers (where the engineers need to interpret what they say, and often they nod but then say something that makes it clear they don't understand), he often forgets that Russell is not trained as an engineer as he talks like an engineer (and obviously has an understanding that's correct of vehicle dynamics and so forth). So I believe Russell's technical skills are very good.
When Russell said that I really felt for him, because while I'm sure its not actually true, I will bet it damn well feels like it is when you see those Redbulls flying past you on the straights...
Ed, in that case, why did they change the 2021 car knowing they had big regulations changes in 2022? Not to slow Mercedes down? Not firing shots at you or anything.
Redbull aren't trying to play catch up like everyone else and they run the car the way it was designed by Newey. Teams that have had to play around with suspension to stop porpoising etc will have had their design ideas squashed and had to change them. redbull is quick because of it's aero and mechanical design efficiency, you can't have both consistently if you have to keep playing with the setup.
Just because George was not mercedes driver in their prime Era means he have to be hypocrate about red bull pace. They did a great job.
You have to remember this time last year merc was 1.4 seconds a lap slower and they are slowly roping in rb because they are roughly around .6 slower a lap, slow progress is better than no progress I guess
This time last year RB and Ferrari were both running as fast as possible to beat each other. This year RB can take it easy. The real gap between Mercedes and RB is still unknown and probably much closer to 1.4s than 0.6s
Merc slower than RBR in Baku: 0.9 slower on softs in Quali, 0.7sec slower on mediums in Quali
Honda knew how to deal with the e10 fuel , well the aero plays a rule but the engine looks superior to the others
merc suffered from the new car changes.
just as they flourished under the first hybrid regs.
dnf's aside, even ferarri are faster than merc.
mercs suffered all down the grid last year, while looking better this year.
honda has just found a better use of the new fuels than merc was able to.
although aston seemed to have found something this year merc can't replicate either.
they've been mostly ahead of merc too.
We can’t out spend everyone so we’re lost. Makes sense.
The FIA slowed Mercedes at every opportunity why not red bull
They tried. Backfired spectacularly
i love how the narrative a few weeks ago was OMG we found out what they are doing were gonna be quick soon and now we have no idea lmao
It feels like every time George speaks, he speaks about Red bull and Red bull only
He has not much else to speak about, they are dominating him, and the team made sure that he would be dancing in front of Hamilton again. If he knows so well where the issues lie, he could stay in the garage and help the engineers fix it, like many great drivers did.
Merc perhaps need to get a grip on wtf they are doing rather than concerning themself towards Red Bull too much!
George wouldn't understand if the RB engineers drew pictures for him.
Scrapping TD39 would be a start
At the end of the day i think it comes down to the team. Red Bull spent 2014-2020 as the underdog with a shit engine, and developed a really good team of engineers to overcome their disadvantage. Now they are reaping the benefits