@@ytfeelslikenorthkorea There should be minimum standards set. For someone to try to climb Everest with no climbing experience at all should not be allowed. They also need to meet physical fitness requirements.
It's a fine line separating bravery from stupidity. Those who are wise would recognize it. Those who are yet wiser would recognize it even before making a conscious decision to enter a stage where their conscious judgment may be derailed (in this case due to altitude sickness). All the more if you may not only kill yourself but people around you.
I know people who ride bikes or play pickleball with pacemakers and artificial knees , but going to the Death Zone with a pacemaker is out of the question. Why this woman was allowed anywhere near Mt. Everest with a pacemaker is unfathomable.
She certainly didn’t seem very educated on the riggers of mountain climbing. You would think at age 59 she would have more sense than she seemed to have.
It was her dream in life to climb Mount Everest. How dare people condone someone for wanting and living out their dreams. Maybe she didn't care if she died. She was living her life to the fullest.
@@brandonsavitski For most things, its great to push your limits to live out your dreams but when you put other people’s lives at risk rather than just your own doing so, that’s not cool.
The commodification and commercialization of mountaineering is disgusting. If you cannot manage the ascent without a team of experts guiding your every move, making every decision for you, then you are NOT a mountaineer and you do not belong there.
" If you cannot manage the ascent without a team of experts guiding your every move, making every decision for you, then you are NOT a mountaineer" If you summit Everest, you're a mountaineer. The legally required guides are their to keep more people from dying.
I quite agree with you! It is absolutely for dedicated, expert, experienced climbers, mountaineers. The companies promising a step by step ascent are little better than pimps. As well and worse is the grave danger they put those naive, very stupid customers and all others in. All about $$$$$$$ 😢
The Everest experience is open to more people than ever and that’s a good thing and a much needed economic boost to an impoverished region of the world.
I was not climbing the mountain, but just on a trek to base camp. I was still a decently long way from the camp when I started having a headache. Even though I spend a lot of time at 10,000(+) ft, my self assessment was altitude sickness, and time to turn around and go down. I had paid a lot to do the trek. But I can try again sometime... maybe.... If I want to... If I can afford it. If I was dead, I would not have that opportunity. The Sherpa assigned to go with me back down the trail said he was impressed with my decision. Several people died that year. I (obviously) was not one of them. I feel, that alone, is worth bragging about. But I feel sorry for others that do not have the same decision making experience, and pay for it.
That’s insane that the woman thought she could just pay and be able to summit Everest. It’s even more insane that a company/group took her as a client without any apparent vetting or prerequisite experience and physical conditioning.
Just looking at that backed up line for the high summit and then the piles of trash..... there is no beautiful place on earth that isn't overrun with ego, hubris, greed and garbage.
First time she took 5 hours to climb a stretch that usually takes 20 minutes, the company should have aborted the mission immediately telling her she is in no condition to continue. They could have given her a second chance but if she failed to do that in less than a hour, then the trip is over
Considering how many people are looking to climb mount everest every year, like i heard there is a queue to reach the summit pretty much every time there is good weather, these companies should start declining unfit clients… Like you don’t need to say yes to everyone, you can make good money anyway at this point
Can’t imagine thinking “I’ve never climb anything in my life, but I think I’ll pay an enormous amount of money to climb the tallest mountain in the world” 🤡
@@MollyFC its probably more there rich and empty and want something that will make them feel accomplished or that they have done something with there life ect. ..alot of people rich and poor head to the wilderness to try and figure things out
I mean why not? Plenty of people do just that, and if I had a fuckton of free time and money I might be interested in going as well. That being said, I do also care about the physical achievement of doing such a thing, so I’d be interested in training to do that as well.
Yea that's the answer!! Lets just shut down Everest. the ocean, access to outer space, Antarctica, because arrogant small minded control freaks like you think we should !!!!!!
@@bethewalt7385 yep, Nepal has become greedy and dependent on the money, issuing more and more permits each year, which is why you see lines 2+ hours long to climb Hillary Step
Feminism for the win! Age is a number. Fat people are not healthy. You should listen to those with decades of success and experience. No doubt the sherpas were all patriarchal misogynists. Play stupid games …
I'm 51, a mountaineer for my whole life and still very fit (I'm running around 200k a month and still a member of the Austrian Mountain Rescue Service). Even 25 years ago to climb this mountain made no sense any more. It's risky as a mountain but with all the "climbers" on it's even more dangerous. I decided it's not worth an attempt and I never regretted it. It's madness there are 1000s of other beautiful, high and technically challenging mountains to climb - for free.
@@gmc5618 a mountain could be dangerous because of avalanches, altitude in general, other people causing accidents (like falling rocks) or spontaneous rock slides, etc. Often things that are hard to control or predict. A mountain is technically challenging if the route demands a high level of technical knowledge and routine to get up safety. Like hard climbing in good rock or ice, difficult to find navigate and navigate routes, maybe even logistics (approach, camps, etc.) Or the type of mountaineering. I was never a friend of this "Siege style" of mountaineering where sherpas, big camps and fixed ropes are involved. I always considered the "Alpine style" superior where you and your bodies carry all the stuff. I would rather do half a mountain like Everest but would be prouder if I have done it by myself.
True, but realistically she couldn’t get far out of base camp. I’d say people who can get close to the top before failing are more of a risk, cause then you’re out of helicopter range and rescue depends on sherpas and other climbers
There should absolusltey be a prereq, or qualification on those first ascents... If it takes a great climber 20 minutes the cap should be 90 etc... If you cant prove that you shouldnt be able to continue. It should be part of the contract agreement with the sherpas. Would save alot of lives
@@ADM-wt9cn Many professional climbers are in physical condition on par with most well-trained athletes in the world. It takes more than determination, only the most fit should be given permits and be able to demonstrate their fitness by undergoing a serious rigorous test while being hooked up to health monitoring equipment. You then must be able to lift your own weight and demonstrate on a pullup bar. Run on a treadmill that declines and inclines and go through an intense preprogrammed cycle for a set amount of time. Possibly more, you get the idea. This may weed out a lot of people and hurt the bottom line, but by not doing this you are putting people's lives at risk.
As a young Boy Scout I was introduced into backpacking in the beautiful Rocky Mountains of Utah Wyoming and Idaho The first rule we learned,as 12 year old scouts was if you pack it in you must pack it out Leave it better than you found it
The first Asian woman to climb Everest with a pacemaker ... Even if she were successful she would have easily been outdone by the first left-handed French woman to climb Everest with a hearing aid.
climbing Everest has become like that old SNL skit about replacement players in the MLB strike. Everyone was a first at training camp with their insane & ridiculous virtue signals. The SNL writers warned us in the 90s.
I'm actually nearly positive I'm the 1st person from a western country with narcissitic personality disorder and a propensity for putting others lives at risk to make it halfway up the mountain and turn back for being inexperienced and out of shape. I'll be expecting a heroes' welcome when i return home.
I get winded going up my stairs and lately I’ve been thinking climbing Mount Everest is a fun thing to do! I might refinance my house to go to that! Wish me luck!
You are a very powerful queen. You can do it and don't even bother with the foolishness of getting fit first, that is for timid losers. Now you go refinance that house at once and get going. I don't know you or anything but I just know you can do it😉
I remember reading about one lady whose highest hike she ever did was just under 7k ft. I live in Colorado at around 6k feet, spouse's previous job was at 8.5k feet. I have done one 14er and it was rough, plus other mountains that are above 11k. I would never consider myself ready for Everest or K2. The sheer audacity and narcissistic rich people who just decide to go to Everest like it's Disney World is mind boggling. How disconnected from reality are they? ....
I seriously think these people don't understand how many elements are against them and how unfit they are for it. Their ego cannot accept it. I guarantee you this woman couldn't even do a long jog in her regular town let alone climbing Everest. It is like she ignores every possible sign.
Yeah, I don't get it. I've climbed a few small mountains and I would never even think of attempting an 8000 metre mountain. why do people who have literally 0 experience think this is a good idea? are they just that dumb, that they think nothing bad can possibly happen to them?
Being super rich does that to a lot of people. After a time, all that matters is competing with other super rich people by buying accolades for themselves that they dont really deserve.
Sandy Pittman is a great example of summiting because she had the money to hire the help to get her there and to save her life even though others were left to die. She even hired a private plane to take her back instead of trekking back like all the others do and threw a party to celebrate her accomplishments. Such a false sense of achievement.
If that is true, she is gonna face some serious karma. Wtf is wrong with people like that??? I hope they shut down Everest to all but those with the qualifications.
A pacemaker on Everest doesn’t make ANY medical sense, it’s particularly alarming when tied with no other climbing experience. I always thought after the tragedy of 1996, everything on Everest would change for the better. Sadly, it is way worse. So very terrible. God bless the Sherpas. ❤
I think one of the main reasons there are so many injuries/fatalities on Everest is because people cannot afford the climb (It's basically 100k) until they're in their late 50's where most people have enough money in their savings to make such an expensive decision. If you're not an active person in general and think a few months of training is enough to summit at that age, well I have news for you.
One of the key symptoms of hypoxia is impaired judgement. Putting yourself in a situation where you know you are likely to make stupid decisions is in itself a stupid decision...
I'm not a mountaineer in the slightest but I'm always watching videos about it. They really need to put a stranglehold on the number of people allowed on these major mountains every year.
Will never happen. Nepal is staggeringly poor & they rely on these $11,000 USD each permit for their economy. It's like a cash cow & everybody is thirsty. Why would you stop it.
I'm against having a limit. It will end up where rich/connected people get the permits. And once the gatekeepers get control they want to use their power, which I've experienced when gates get installed on off-road trails here in the USA. Sorry that woman in the video died, but it was ultimately her choice. We can't and should not protect against all risks at the expense of other people's freedom.
@@bigworldparty I can understand your first point. I'm not advocating for limiting it cause of safety though. People can do what they want. It just seems to be littered with litter and bodies. And the photos of 40+ people in a line to the summit seems weird lol maybe that's normal. again not a mountaineer so not really my place but my opinion anyway.
I met her on may 2022 during our ebc trek. I found her walking very slow, anyway she managed to reach the ebc without much issues, may be that gave her the over confidence to climb the Everest. I think she mentioned that, she is from Daman Diu and a former headmistress. She was friendly with other trekkers... RIP One of my teammate was in touch with her on jan 2023. She told him like this - I am looking for someone who can accompany me, with my pace to climb Everest. Most of the people from my hometown came to know about my plan, so I must need to do it at any cost. I am looking for sponsors and I already invested most of my savings. I got training from mountaineering institute(not sure which one).
Something tells me that the Suzanne lady, at 59, spent or put herself in major debt to climb Everest, and was banking on the notoriety of social media to pay it back. That would explain the stubbornness of not wanting to say no.
The ‘Silvassa Industries and Manufacturers Association’ published a letter they received from her requesting sponsorship to help her make their region/state proud, as a local teacher and the first Asian woman with a pacemaker to summit Everest.
At that age highly doubtful its about social media😂😂 bet you a 1000 it was bc was she was getting older and wanted to feel like she acomplished a huge goal before it was to late
My dad had a pacemaker, & he considered himself lucky that the medical technology was available to help him ‘live his best life” he always said. My dad passed away 3 years ago. He was very stubborn, but, unlike that first one, he knew & accepted his limitations.😑
Susanne even posted on her facebook blaming the sherpas for treating her badly. Really horrible! "I have paid for 2 sherpas to make my way towards Everest easier....but rather unfortunately....they think that gives them the power to torture me with real time manhandling and misadventures so that I discontinue my mission. Sick of some people around. Their minds are sicker then their bodies.(And there are kind people around too.)"
If I were a serious, experienced, dedicated mountaineer who earned the right to attempt Everest, now I wouldn't do it because the tourists would be putting my life at additional risk. The mountain is dangerous enough, now I have to worry about someone who has decided to make Everest their first serious climb. Push them off it. Seeing those long lines like the mountain was some Disneyland ride was sickening.
Just because people dedicate more time to climbing mountains and climb more often doesn't give them any rights to a mountain or anymore rights than anyone else. So called mountaineers are self entitled ego driven pricks who think they're better than others. I don't care if they've climbed mountains a thousand times. They have no more rights than a person climbing a mountain for the first time.
Nah, I agree and I'm the youngest of my nationality to summit a 7.000m peak in the Himalayas. Would hate to be on a mountain with someone who needs a Sherpa to put on his/her crampons or tell them what food and equipment to pack for what camp
I’d like to be the first person to climb Everest in a kayak. Like I’d hire two extra Sherpas to carry the kayak while I sit in it. Do you think a guide company would accommodate this request?
There was a guy who I think was the first guy to snowboard down it. You’ll never guess what happened when he attempted it a second time. (He disappeared). Forget if it was Everest or another 8000m mountain.
What? You expect two sherpas to carry you in a steep and icy cold rock mt everest with unpredictable weather and avalanche? Nah man... 😂😂😂 If you wanna do that... You have 20 percent chance of coming back ALIVE and I would said advance RIP TO WHOEVER SHERPAS WOULD AGREE TO YOUR MADNESS. GOODLUCK.
I'm truly angered about Mt. Everest being trashed because there are too many careless people on it. The graffiti alone made me gasp, but all that garbage left or tossed into a crevasse because ignorant entitled people need to stoke their egos is disgusting.... It's another human environmental disaster.
Stupid comment … why ego … most people including yourself do things others will rate as dumb and idiotic … everybody does things they love and everybody has desires and dreams … some want to go on a lovely holiday, others want to engage in whatever challenges, others want to climb Everest … where is the problem? Worse than ego on Everest is the arrogance so many people display in the comments! Feeling entitled and superior. Thats disgusting. And its getting worse. Its greedy companies trashing the mountain … leaving their shit behind others need to clear up.
I am an avid rock climber, mountaineer, skier, snowboarder. Yet, i have zero sympathy for people that push their limits for no absolute reason than because they are adrenaline junkies and narcissists. Most of us, when it comes, just deserve it.
Decades ago I could have called myself the same - and despite being asked once if I was interested in a trip to the Himalayas, I very firmly declined. Like you I knew my limits and not to compare myself to others. Never for a moment regretted turning down that offer. I spent decades climbing, skiing and tramping in New Zealand and had many close calls - but I am proud to say no-one was ever harmed on any trip I was involved in.
@@ColinMor-fj3qc As a New Zealander of that generation I knew a number of people related to Ed Hillary and Ed Cotter. I climbed in NZ with Cotter's son Guy, who himself went on to have a long and sometimes dramatic career in the Himalayas. I have nothing but respect for them - and not the slightest envy. If you met them you soon learned they were tough minded, highly skilled and very fit individuals for whom the risk reward benefit was worth it. Even so we lost many and I still mourn a few. In those early days literally 1 in 10 lead climbers on Everest did not return. Those of us who have experienced the high alps and both their allure and dread, have no respect for those who think money and narcissism can 'buy' them a shortcut to the the top of the world. Only those who have already done at least 5 8000m summits, or have a record of being lead climbers in this high domain, should be eligible for a permit.
I did Mt Fuji last month, and found it enlightening. Coming from Florida, it was tough, no real way to acclimatize before hand, but also gave me an idea of what would be needed for any other higher mountain. I have no desire to climb higher mountains.
This seems like a far more wise approach. I'm in my 50s & physically active, but I have no mountaineering experience. There is no way I would try to make Everest my first summit. I would have to climb many gradually higher mountains before going for an 8000m. This teacher basically chose to end her life for whatever reasons.
@@antoniotula262 It's hard to say for sure, since I dont' actually know her. But often people overestimate their abilities when they have never done something. I'm in my 50s too, and had my 19 year old daughter with me. Both of us struggled, in different ways. I think she actually had more altitude sickness than I did. Maybe I thought her youth would help her. Anyways, we both survived, there are people who also die on Mt. Fuji, one 70 year old died a few weeks before we climbed. Plus the normal accidents, it's still a steep mountain.
@cloudswinger2000 I don't know her either, but I'm sure most reasonable people do not think that anyone who is 59yrs old with a pacemaker, no mountaineering experience, non athletic, can simply go and summit the highest mountain in the world. The idea to do this is bad enough, but then she was given a clear sign of her abilities when it took her 5 hours to reach a point, normally reached in 15 to 20 minutes. It took her 6 hours on a second attempt and a staggering 12 hours on the third attempt. She chose to ignore this obvious sign. At some point, given this information, it is clear that she was not rational.
Seriously... that's just gross negligence. Even if she paid for everything: How could any company sign a contract with her?! Endangering not only her, but also their own employees? Though... from her attitude towards the Sherpas I assume that she lied when signing the contract, lying about her health and fitness. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to me.
maybe she wanted to self-delete and this was just the excuse? Climbing a mountain at that age is tough, needing a pacemaker already makes it seem like a suicidal endeavor.
The mountain have zero f#*k to give for ones ego. On my trek to the Everest Basecamp there was a member of the team who some would describe as sort of an "Alpha male " figure. He was fit, successful in life, and has a very outgoing personality. All the way from Lukla to Gokyo he push himself to be amongst the very first of the pack, trying to keep up with the lead guides and the more experienced trekkers and be the first to make it to the next camp. At Gokyo he succumbed to exhaustion and started developing signs of altitude sickness, and had to be escortrd back down to Numche Bazaar. If he had heed the advice of the guides like the rest of us, listen to our body and go at our own pace, then he would've been able to enjoyed the trek and make it to Basecamp like the rest of us. Altitude is the ultimate equalizer.
You can't see Everest from base camp. I went to the region and climbed Kala Patar, a trekking peak. You don't need special equipment to climb it. You only had to do some scrambling at the end. I sat on top and looked at Everest for 45 minutes. Then I came back down. It is an easy climb, yet at over 18,000 feet, higher than the highest mountain in Europe. You just trek there from Lukla, and trek back to Lukla after that. We were the only ones on the top that day, and the view was breathtaking. Well worth it. An experience of a lifetime without risking climbing Everest itself.
@@marilyndee969 Thats the trek i was thinking about. I've seen some videos of people that have done it and looks amazing. So even if you get to base camp of Everest, you don't see the mountain? I don't climb and have no interest of doing so. Seems crazy to me.
@@aclarkedesign = I lived in Nepal and trekked a lot in the Everest and Annapurna regions. Never did any climbing that required equipment at all, nor oxygen. Just plain hiking. We had been trekking around the Everest region for three weeks at the time, and were well aclimatized. Going up Kala Patar was about like climbing a Boulder foothill. I lived in Boulder, CO for ten years and climbed them a lot. Once you are used to the altitude, the climbs were similar. Just hike up, and did some hiking on all fours near the top. Sit and enjoy the view. Then hike back down. The effort was not different from climbing Flagstaff or Green mountain in the Boulder foothills. You fly into Lukla from Kathmandu and fly out again at the end. I am not a strong person nor a strong hiker. Just average in every way. Once you are used to the altitude, the climb is an easy one. The view is beautiful and worth it. Good luck!
@@marilyndee969Yesss!!!... I've read about & saw video on the phenomenal view. I'm in my 50s & have been athletic my whole life, but I would never climb anything other than a trekking or hiking type of mountain. I simply have zero experience and am too old to actually climb anything even half of Everest.
It's so frustrating that people with absolutely no business being on huge mountains are allowed to go if they have enough money. I don't care if they want to be stupid and put their own lives at risk but the problem is that it potentially harms others too. There's the people having to help them climb, or rescue them, or they become a hazard along the trail and other climbers must now find a different path in order to get around them. It's the worst combination of stupid and selfish and I don't feel bad for their passing whatsoever.
The people that argue with their sherpas and want to keep going are dumb, but I don’t see a problem with people paying to try it. The sherpas are making a good living because of it and they know the risk. They have as much business being there as anyone.
@@odac43 There are plenty of other mountains all around the world they can try that are far easier. Making any 8,000er your first climb is like trying to perform heart surgery your first day in med school. You don't just jump directly into something extremely difficult and life threatening without any knowledge or experience.
@@empressmarowynn that is very true, but I still don’t see the problem when there is an agreement between adults who are all aware of the risks involved. I don’t understand the hate they are getting. Probably jealousy because they are mostly rich people?
I read about that lady Shariya Shah-Klorfine yesterday that tried to climb ME. She had never even climb a mountain but dropped 100k with a questionable company and actually made the summit. But she was too tired to descend and died. Begging people to save her and take her down. 😢
And she supposedly was also told several times by her guide that she needs to abort the plan as she will die doing so. She switched guides, went and didn’t turn around when her new guide told her to turn around as she will be too weak to descend otherwise. The combination of determination and lacking any climbing experience or athletic ability is deadly. And besides that, expedition companies that even accept these people are a real problem, aswell as a government that doesn’t want to make rules about the issue
RIGHT?????? Oh poor baby, made the decision to do everything against all advice they’ve been given, take an assload of free money to do something they Dunning-Kruger’d their way into signing up for… POOR POOR BABY
Shelter, safety, health, and financial well-being just WASN'T ENOUGH for these people. They had to have more. What is the point in risking your precious life? Just to say "I did it"? Lethally negligent disregard. Is it really "heartless" to save my concern for those who are truly innocent of wrongdoing and do NOT risk their precious lives for nothing as opposed to someone who climbs a mountain, risking their lives for no legitimate reason?
3 suggestions for the Everest Industry 1. increase the price for permits enough for them to have 3 man team "evacuation" sherpas at base camp 4, to focus solely on evacuating medical emergencies. 2. require every climber to purchase a "trash bag" a burlap or plastic garbage sized bag that is required to return FULL to base camp 1, and have it verified by staff. 3. a "check out" climb at base camp 1 to establish "fitness" to go further on. Weed out tourists with inadequate mountain climbing experience. Most people attempting these climbs have enough funds to do it so charge a bit more to provide more safety, standards and cleanup on the mountains.
Increasing the cost of permits doesn't stop those climbers who are rich enough but not experienced enough to climb Everest and having more Sherpas won't stop them dying or risking Sherpas lives in getting them up the mountain or off the mountain when they aren't able to go further. Maybe permits should only be given to individuals, after they prove they have the experience, they then contact the companies who run the climb and book a place. Although not sure how prove you've got suitable experience.
Each climber pays an extra $4K for trash removal... it's refundable if they bring down 18 kilos of trash with them... that's the average amount left by each individual climber...so item #2 on your list is already required...
I believe #2 right now is a $400 deposit which is returned if they bring their garbage back down with them. Never heard of a $4,000 deposit, but maybe I’m wrong. Experience should be the main requirement to climb with verifiable proof.
There are old climbers and there are bold climbers, but, there are no old, bold climbers. My dad taught me that when I was 8… 40 years later I think of this often. The saying has saved my life a few times…
What is the point? Stand in lines surrounded by garbage to do something that thousands of other people have done already. Then fools die and their families are devastated. Pointless.
Part of the problem with Everest is it is presented in such a way that it appears to be big yet accessible. Even in this video, the footage is unable to provide images of just what it takes to be an individual that is capable of summitting Everest. Hell, even getting to Base Camp is a huge undertaking. The more that people hear of traffic jams and average people climbing, even with the horror stories, they just get spurred on more with the attitude of, "I've paid for this and I have Sherpa's and bright coloured clothing so I'm going to be able to do this".
Although this maybe also how these trips demise, as more people see the pictures of the queues and perceive it as "easy" therefore there is less kudos there is to climbing it for those who merely do it for the bragging rights, however I think this means mountains like K2 will becomes more popular for tourists climbers and they are even more dangerous.
Getting to base camp isn't really a huge undertaking. It's only a 5km trek with two slightly steep sections that are zig zag pathed all the way up anyway. There is 0 climbing involved. Thousands and thousands of people do it every year.
@@ColinMor-fj3qc Deaths on the route to base camp are extremely rare and occur due to other complications. It isn't that high of an altitude at all. Like I said, getting to base camp really isn't that hard of an undertaking. It is such an easy trek involving no climbing even beginners can do it. It's listed as a moderate route for trekking so it is even recommended for people with zero trekking experience.
Everest hasn't been an overly technical climb in years. "Traffic jams" have been killing more climbers there in the last couple of decades as O2 canister deplete while you stand and wait for your turn to summit.
Good video. I read the book 'Into thin air' years ago years ago; a very well written book that sparked my interest in the climbing Everest thing (the insanity of it all that is) I've been following Everest since I read it. Sometimes experienced seasoned climbers who've climbed it before, go down as well. Their bodies suddenly decide to fail.
Nothing about climbing Everest has ever sounded appealing. Especially now where anyone can do it with the money, some do glamping, it feels so sketchy. I also have health issues, there’s no way I would be able to make it. It’s so scary to think how many go up and not come back 😓.
I get the appeal somewhat. If I was fit enough and had no health issues, I might risk it after practicing for YEARS to become a good climber... and even then I would consider the risks more than once. I might be too scared to do it. But going there totally unprepared... I just don't get it. And how selfish to put her Sherpas through this and going on despite their opinion!
@@cjane_world Why though? So you can follow a Sherpa to the summit with hundreds of others in a row? Train for K2 or something. You wouldn't be doing it for the challenge, you'd be doing it for the clout and validation.
If you want to become an alpinist is because you LOVE mountains, not records. Validation should come climbing mountains at your level, with your preparation. I think I would never be fully satisfied in climbing with Sherpas doing the majority of my work.
I'm not sympathetic of Suzanne's plight, it was her foolhardy stubbornness that brought her to her end and her family should give thanks that Suzanne did not cause others to suffer from her behavior. Sure, some stubbornness (perseverance) is necessary but it needs to be 'informed' based on experience - trying to climb Everest with no other experience is simply ill considered (I'd use stronger words but fear TH-cam would remove my comment).
this is the perfect phrase. People confuse stubbornness and selfishness with perseverance and make it seem a good thing to just "pull through" no matter what. While this might be a good attitude in some situations in life, it definitely is not on an 8000m peak 😬
@mrsfrappucchinoblub6005 Particularity when she had no experience and was 59, with a pacemaker! This is some form of mental illness. It would be amazing if she climbed a 1500ft mountain, much less Everest.
I can't judge people on their dreams and ambitions. For some of us, it's what keeps us going. As long as they did what they wanted to do and were happy about it, then they went out happy.
I think this woman actually had a death wish to die on Everest thinking she might go down in history as a brave mountineer who sucummed to the elements on a brave and historic endeavor.
"It baffles my mind that they even let inexperienced people on the mountain in the first place. " It's not a very technical climb. Physical fitness and equipment trump training to summit Everest. While lower, K2 requires all three.
It's not baffling at all. This is about their only "export" worth speaking about, tourism. So while mountain climbing is kind of an extreme version of tourism, that's still what it is. What products does Nepal export? Do you know? Where do you think they get their foreign currency? There is zero pressure for Nepal to further "regulate" or limit the number of climbers. If stupid crazy foreigners want to give us money and hire our citizens, then they will gladly take the stupid rich foreigners' money. The morality may be shady, but economics are crystal clear. I just checked, and in 2021, a permit to climb Everest was $11,000. Some equipment you can bring with you, but it costs thousands of dollars each to hire cooking, cargo and climbing sherpas. Add in food, transportation, hotel stays and whatnot, that's a lot of money. Also the oxygen masks and tanks. Over 400 climbing permits are issued each year now. This is a multi-million dollar industry in a country that has little else.
I do not feel sorry for this lady !!! She was warned numerous time by experts and still refuse to lesson.. Be respectful and use common sense. Unless you’re crazy or stupid or both.
I Totally Agree it's called suicide Ok . Can't hang don't go need too carry your own Weight Everest is not place too reckless It will cost you your Life.
Guided tours which take up relatively inexperienced climbers aren't something new - as per Jon Krakauer's book - Into Thin Air, such guided tours already started gaining traction back in the 1990s. But Suzanne Leopoldina Jesus' case is probably unique given that she had pretty much no experience whatsoever. May she RIP.
Im pretty torn on this issue. If people want to risk their own necks, I say let them. The only thing that gives me pause is that they often endanger other people also.
Sadly it’s all about the foreign money as the country is cash strapped and people are in huge need . We are trekkers and have been to Nepal’s Himalayas twice now , a third time in coming years . We have no intention to summit any of the peaks as we are simply not mountaineers let alone experienced mountaineers. The trails are still a great experience 😊 .We have been lucky enough to have spoken with extremely experienced mountaineers and their adventures plus several Sherpa’s who have summited Everest and other peaks above 8000 mtrs. Even they say it is dangerous and will not do it again , partly because of age but more-so the dangers. They say they essentially have to for the money and the companies say it is their job to get the customers up there . It is NOT just a matter of pay and go to say ‘ I did it ‘, you MUST have high altitude mountaineering experience or quite simply death will catch you up …….not to mention putting all the ‘paid’ Sherpa teams in danger themselves - how selfish!
You are honest and realistic about your experience and abilities. Yet, you are better qualified than several others who think paying a ton of money magically enables them to successfully climb Everest.
The sherpas decide to bring people up, take their money, risk their lives. Leaving a trail of bodies and garbage up there - I’m surprised they don’t consider that mountain after a god or goddess in ancient tradition. How to disrespect a monument that means so much ….
Most of them do it for the bragging rights and they are slobs who leave all their garbage behind what they should do is take a large deposit and an equipment inventory and when you bring all your crap off the mountain you get your money back.
Experienced or not people who climb are who I use to think cared about their environment but seeing the amount of trash makes me sick. 4 years ago I couldn't walk and a mountain bike accident this morning on the road I'm back three legging it but still filled up a bucket with trash that accumulated since Saturday morning along the state highway my piece of paradise in New Hampshire is on. 7 months living here equals 5,400 plus butts alone and I smoke yet don't use the no ashtray excuse. There is a fire risk too. Apologies for ranting but this subject really irks me especially on a fixed income dealing with pain, pain and you guessed it better things to do.
I work at a state park now on the maintenance crew. I feel your pain. Before I worked there I still picked up loose trash on my own for free. People simply just don't care. Bunch of entitled f*cks. Smokers in particular are real pieces of shite constantly using the world as their personal ashtray. Butts on the beach, in the woods, sides of the road...it doesn't stop.
The second fatality had zero to do with inexperience. Evensome of the most experienced climbers have developed altitude sickness in the death zone. The first wasn't inexperience as much as it was an insane person. The "inexperienced climbers" narrative is the reason there are so many inexperienced climbers. They've heard time and time again that anyone can summit Everest. Back when that narrative started, even the "inexperienced" climbers were all accomplished mountaineers.
If the second climber had been more experienced, he might have recognized the symptoms of mountain sickness early on and could have turned back towards safety in time. As far as the first fatality is concerned, she did not have the needed skillset, which is nearly synonymous to inexperience.
20+ years ago Everest was said to be a trash pile of things left by climbers. I can't imagine how disapointing some aspects of the mountain have degraded even further.
10:24 to think of all the bodies they can’t remove getting trash thrown on them is a sad thought. Like you said all for that little box to check off for life.
They can. There’s a big problem with reputable companies turning people down only for them to end up on Everest anyway with a much less safe company. The first woman was almost certainly an example of that. No way, a reputable company would let someone who took 12 hours to go 1 mile on their third attempt leaving base camp continue. The fact they let her try to get to camp one when she was already clearly suffering from severe altitude effects (which impair judgment) is gross negligence. Had she been a little bit stronger and gotten higher, they would have put others in danger by letting her continue.
Everybody has their opinion of what happened but not one person mentioned Anatolia, he was a true hero on that day saving many stranded climbers and leading them back to camp. When no one else wanted to go out into the storm to help.
What bullshit … the climbing & mountaineering world does not consist of egomaniacs? They are doing exactly the same! Climbing! Among them there are no wealthy climbers? Arrogant and entitled comment! There are wealthy people climbing, but also many getting their trip sponsored to make it possible. And its the climbing and mountaineering world that founded companies to descend on beautiful and remote areas to offer breathtaking experiences. Where is the line between egomaniac, commercial and true climbing? Who are true climbers? Income? Equipment? Passion?
@@GanymedeXD A”True Climber” is a person with a VISION to climb something “unclimbable”. A True Climber doesn’t use a guide and goes alone, without supplemental oxygen. REINHOLD MESSNER IS A TRUE CLIMBER. Totally reliant on himself alone. Why would a TRUE CLIMBER want to be stuck at 8000 meters in a line of struggling wannabes??? Everest has become a joke. The litter, the helicopter rescues, that’s not mountaineering. I get the employment opportunities for the Sherpas and the communities along the way to base camp, but it is out of control. The government greed is selling more permits than the mountain is capable of sustaining.
1:50 I always wonder, how does one or two skinny ropes support that many people?? At some points, it's supporting people going up and down, too, right?
There should be a medical team funded by climbers/officials to give final permission or not , to summit, via advice from Sherpas. Based at the last check point/camp. With evidences such as the woman’s deteriorating times and physical symptoms.People like her should NOT be allowed to make that decision . No refunds either for those deemed unfit.
It's hard to feel much sympathy for those who lack training and validation of basic skills, forgo easier summit attempts before attempting Everest, ignore clear signs that they're incapable of even an ascent out of base camp, and ignore the most stern recommendations and warnings by Sherpas. I've previously heard similar stories, risking their lives, the lives of other, more capable climbers, and the Sherpas. For some, it looked like just a death wish - granted.
Some youtuber posted a series on everest base camp recently and the commercialization is insane. Luxurious "tents" with electricity, open bars, chefs and buffets everywhere. If you have the money you can pay to have a professional essentially hold your hand the whole way and if anything goes wrong its expected they risk their own life to drag your ass back down.
I think this is a tricky question since I do think that restricting the amount of climbers to Mount Everest would be a wise thing to do. They should really require the climbers to have a certain amount of climbing experience and also have some kind of official document about the state of their health before they are allowed to climb the mountain. On the other hand this is also a question of livelihood for the Himalayan people who carry the supplies of the climbers. The less climbers there are then the less chances of getting employment overall in that specific region. Though ultimately the safety of the climbers should come first but sadly I think the financial side overrides those concerns at least to some degree.
They probably should make the permits more pricey and cut down on how many they offer a year. $11,000 for the permit is already prohibitively expensive - plus all the other expedition costs - so I don’t see how making it more expensive to offset the lost permits is any more elitist of thing than it already is. Or even a lottery system where you pay to submit your expedition in, then you pay the permit if selected. Sherpas deserve good pay plus not having to deal with the deadly combo of a crowded mountain and inexperience climbers. It looks like there are already some solid requirements in place to get a permit, like having climbed a 6,500m Nepalese mountain before, so it seems to also be an issue of cracking down on sketchy adventure companies that manage to put inexperienced people on the mountain in the first place. Plus, there could be more work on funneling and encouraging more people towards less dangerous activities near or on Everest that still requires some permitting and fees to make revenue there, like trekking at lower altitudes which can look like a lot of different things and come at a bunch of different price points. You don’t necessarily need a guide for that, but you could still offer services or “experiences” to learn form a “real Everest Sherpa” on your trek. Rich foreigners love that kind of stuff! There are definitely way more people who could do that kind of thing than there are people who can summit the mountain. But I suppose part of the problem is adventure companies can get way more money out of fewer people through Everest summits and, I imagine, some in the government do not want to get in the way of permitting revenue. Topped by a cherry of insufferable, pushy rich people who feel they are entitled to climb the mountain no matter what. Ultimately, would just be great if people in Nepal and Tibet didn’t have to rely on the fickle and exploitive world of ecotourism to make a living. There’s never really a safe way to climb a mountain even if everyone it experienced (though certainly ways to be smarter about it). With climate change making it harder to predict weather up there, it’s only gonna get worse with the trend of overcrowding + inexperience + social media FOMO brain rot. Anyway, I’m just spitballing and procrastinating from work and really have no clue what I’m talking about 😂
These kind of deaths aren't good advertising and the bragging value seems degraded when invalids are escorted up...how does it impress when you did what an out-of-shape sick old lady (almost) did?
These companies are just taking peoples money at this point. Consequences should befall on them, such as hefty fines if someone dies or is injured due to inexperience or allowing someone to even go with little to no experience. Something needs to be done.
It's very depressing that such an important and special place is allowed to be treated with such little respect. Before any more climbs every person who has profited from this mountain should clean up and collect all bodies, rubbish and discarded equipment. ALL OF IT. Government should insist on this.
Agreed, except the hikers should be doing it. They’re the ones leaving the trash. Just because they’re paying their way onto the mountain doesn’t mean they’re not responsible for it.
@@Gaius_Sinstoneabsolutely the sherpas and even the guides from other countries do a lot to set ropes and clean up, and at the end of the day are only there to make a living, look at the likes of Rob Hall and Scott fischer, risked their lives to set ropes for clients and paid the price for it.
This is a government that can't even give its citizens reliable electricity. They don't have the resources or the ability to do anything about their biggest money making machine.
It's simply not possible to clear the bodies off the mountain, especially not the ones up in the death zone. You'd just be adding more bodies from the people dying trying to carry them off they're too heavy to carry at that altitude and in to precarious of a location. The trash though, the hikers really should be required to carry extra off the mountain with them. At least that'd clear up the lower camps of trash eventually.
I admit I know nothing about this subject but Ive always wondered why they can pack stuff in but they cant pack stuff out. Is there a really good reason?
I'm ready for Everest I got out of a cab today and walked to the doors of the highrise where I spend my days at a desk twelve stories above sea level. Next week I'm being transferred to the fourteenth floor to build my stamina. I'll be sure to dump my taco wrappers everywhere on my journey. I'm sure glad there's a water cooler at base camp two.
It used to be the hardest climb you could ever do but now it’s a tourist trap. The Sherpas carry all of your stuff for you while you walk up a hill. Wow so amazing 🤔.
They need to change the rules for climbing Everest...two years of climbing to bring down the trash before you are allowed to summit. This will allow them to test their abilities in real time and experience as well as clean up the debris.
I really love how people (at least all of the serious ones I've seen on YT) go back to their roots and become animists when they deal with the big mountains. Seems like such a spiritual undertaking from the outside looking in. Maybe it's the risk; I hear people talking similarly about surfing big waves.
@@euro_anchorI think it's just acknowledging the great power of natural forces (weather, altitude, etc) that can easily kill a puny human, especially if unprepared or overconfident.
Why that? That would reduce the number of climbers and in consequence reducing the jobs on the mountain. Why should the nepali governent care about less dead foreigners on the mountain? Most people who try to climb it are fit enough.
If you raise the price to 100 K only for the permit then the flights, climbing gear, tent, food and porter, you get quick to a price that only rich people can afford to climb Everest. First of all the government should try to manage the waste on the mountain. And how can you possible check if climber are fit enough to climb Everest. Or qualified enough? Should they have climb a big mountain before? Or 2 or 3? It's verry hard to make a plan who can climb Everest. To raise the price is not one of them i think.
@@tomw0815 Maybe because their citizens are dying on this mountain protecting and recovering stubborn climbers? Destroying the mountain with trash and human waste also disincentivizes future climbers.
@@JayCRossi yeah but thats the problem. Legally, i don't know if that is even possible. But let's say it is. Which mountains should you have climbed. How many? How high should they've been?
it's weird that nobody takes the bodies littering Everest as a warning to the danger ahead of them... but rather as milestones that help map the way...
oh i know they aren't able to be recovered safely or the family wants them left alone... but i still believe bodies of experienced climbers and sherpas should make at least novice climbers pause and reassess how dangerous this might be for them. It's like wanting to box Mike Tyson just because they've been getting a lot of time in on the heavy bag down in the basement.
This is also on the Nepalese government for not having standards for permits. Here, in Virginia's Shenandoah National Park, they time ticket the hardest hike in the park. While that hike is of no comparison to Everest, I think the idea should be implemented. There needs to be a limited number of permits issues to mitigate the number of people, damage to the mountain, increase safety. There should be a record of climbing mountains and distance hiking presented in order to get a permit, including one 8k meter mountain.
@@junioradult6219Even in business there are considerations like brand image, reputation, etc. that are an important part of the equation. Perhaps guide associations, mountaineering clubs, tourism board (?) could bring more order to the situation, idk.
Blaming Nepal for selling 2 many permits is ridiculous, it’s an extremely poor country and needs the money. It is up to the companies that take these people there to school themselves properly and have specific tests that their clients have to pass to be allowed anywhere near the mountain.
If you get winded going up a flight of stairs and circle the parking lot at Walmart looking for a spot close to the door, then get in line for the summit. It's so worth it, you'll get so many likes on social media.
I’m thinking the Indian teacher must have had altitude sickness as “normal” individuals would realize that if my 3rd attempt out of base camp I doubled my time (12hrs.) something is seriously wrong. Maybe the Sherpas or a medical team need to be given more jurisdiction as to who can and can not climb. I have no idea how deposits / full payment works, but think that probably it needs to be looked at as well. Very sad stories and even sadder that the government gives out permits ($$$) to people who have zero business being on the mountain. No permit…..no climb, no medical clearance…..no climb. Napel’s government is indeed greedy as are most.
Normal individuals also don’t take 12 hours to go a mile, even at that altitude. The fact they let her even attempt to get to camp 1 when her judgement and physical abilities were clearly impaired just above base camp is insane. I know some companies turn away folks not fit enough only to see them on Everest with a less safe company. I fear that’s what happened here.
Its hard to have empathy for people who deliberately put other people in harms way because of their own ego.
Exactly, I agree, I could never risk the lives of other people because I wanted to climb a stupid fkn mountain.
@@ytfeelslikenorthkorea There should be minimum standards set. For someone to try to climb Everest with no climbing experience at all should not be allowed. They also need to meet physical fitness requirements.
It's a fine line separating bravery from stupidity. Those who are wise would recognize it. Those who are yet wiser would recognize it even before making a conscious decision to enter a stage where their conscious judgment may be derailed (in this case due to altitude sickness). All the more if you may not only kill yourself but people around you.
Strongly agree.
It's even harder to have empathy for Karens who want to be the world's mom. Get your own $@i% together.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything.
I know people who ride bikes or play pickleball with pacemakers and artificial knees , but going to the Death Zone with a pacemaker is out of the question. Why this woman was allowed anywhere near Mt. Everest with a pacemaker is unfathomable.
I’m wondering if she even revealed the fact that she had one?
She certainly didn’t seem very educated on the riggers of mountain climbing. You would think at age 59 she would have more sense than she seemed to have.
Insane stupidity
It was her dream in life to climb Mount Everest. How dare people condone someone for wanting and living out their dreams. Maybe she didn't care if she died. She was living her life to the fullest.
@@brandonsavitski For most things, its great to push your limits to live out your dreams but when you put other people’s lives at risk rather than just your own doing so, that’s not cool.
I don't know how to swim but I've decided at 59 years old to swim the Atlantic Ocean from Florida to France....wish me luck.
Are you there yet?
it’s been 6 months, we are getting slightly worried 😳🤷♀️
@@lidiastarkova2323 I'm thinking about hiring a canoe to go out looking for them
Kind of judgey aren't ya
@@Rando-user-zm1fx 🙄🙄
The commodification and commercialization of mountaineering is disgusting. If you cannot manage the ascent without a team of experts guiding your every move, making every decision for you, then you are NOT a mountaineer and you do not belong there.
" If you cannot manage the ascent without a team of experts guiding your every move, making every decision for you, then you are NOT a mountaineer"
If you summit Everest, you're a mountaineer.
The legally required guides are their to keep more people from dying.
I quite agree with you! It is absolutely for dedicated, expert, experienced climbers, mountaineers. The companies promising a step by step ascent are little better than pimps. As well and worse is the grave danger they put those naive, very stupid customers and all others in. All about $$$$$$$ 😢
Money my friends, the money runs the world, not the justice and moral sadly…
Stupid people do stupid things. Just ask Gump.
The Everest experience is open to more people than ever and that’s a good thing and a much needed economic boost to an impoverished region of the world.
I was not climbing the mountain, but just on a trek to base camp. I was still a decently long way from the camp when I started having a headache. Even though I spend a lot of time at 10,000(+) ft, my self assessment was altitude sickness, and time to turn around and go down. I had paid a lot to do the trek. But I can try again sometime... maybe.... If I want to... If I can afford it. If I was dead, I would not have that opportunity. The Sherpa assigned to go with me back down the trail said he was impressed with my decision. Several people died that year. I (obviously) was not one of them. I feel, that alone, is worth bragging about. But I feel sorry for others that do not have the same decision making experience, and pay for it.
Worse still you might have survived minus your hands and feet and regreted living.
@@somedumbozzie1539i don't think you could face that issue when trekking to the base camp
I wanna do the treck. Do they give altitude sickness medicine? In South America they give you coca tea which helps
@@SF-eo6xfBut certainly could if you went into the death zone in a below par state.
@@somedumbozzie1539 i said he only did the treck on not climb the mountain
That’s insane that the woman thought she could just pay and be able to summit Everest. It’s even more insane that a company/group took her as a client without any apparent vetting or prerequisite experience and physical conditioning.
Just looking at that backed up line for the high summit and then the piles of trash..... there is no beautiful place on earth that isn't overrun with ego, hubris, greed and garbage.
There are plenty of unspoiled beautiful areas around, especially nearby.
Try going outside sometime ! @@poetcomic1
@@poetcomic1garbage is the flag of humanity
First time she took 5 hours to climb a stretch that usually takes 20 minutes, the company should have aborted the mission immediately telling her she is in no condition to continue. They could have given her a second chance but if she failed to do that in less than a hour, then the trip is over
Considering how many people are looking to climb mount everest every year, like i heard there is a queue to reach the summit pretty much every time there is good weather, these companies should start declining unfit clients…
Like you don’t need to say yes to everyone, you can make good money anyway at this point
The idea of a mountain being slowly covered in frozen corpses, left there in perpetuity as a symbol of the sin of pride, is almost biblical.
I'd argue it's Darwinist. ;-)
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it makes my heart warm!
@@richardhead3211 : You need 'help'!
Corpses and trash
Can’t imagine thinking “I’ve never climb anything in my life, but I think I’ll pay an enormous amount of money to climb the tallest mountain in the world” 🤡
It actually makes sense. A total novice would have no reason to think it's all that hard.
"If I just believe in myself I can do it" I'm sure is the mindset of many of these people
@@MollyFC its probably more there rich and empty and want something that will make them feel accomplished or that they have done something with there life ect. ..alot of people rich and poor head to the wilderness to try and figure things out
*glances at the recent "convert to paste" moment with rich people in a poorly made submarine*
You really surprised by that?
I mean why not? Plenty of people do just that, and if I had a fuckton of free time and money I might be interested in going as well. That being said, I do also care about the physical achievement of doing such a thing, so I’d be interested in training to do that as well.
They really ought to consider severely restricting access to Everest. What a disgusting mess
Probably never going to happen because the cost of permits can bring in $5 million a year for the Nepalese government, for them that's astronomical
Yea that's the answer!! Lets just shut down Everest. the ocean, access to outer space, Antarctica, because arrogant small minded control freaks like you think we should !!!!!!
@@bethewalt7385 yep, Nepal has become greedy and dependent on the money, issuing more and more permits each year, which is why you see lines 2+ hours long to climb Hillary Step
No athlete, pacemaker, needing 12 hours for normally 20 minutes, a cold... Sounds like a great idea.
& 59!
Feminism for the win! Age is a number. Fat people are not healthy. You should listen to those with decades of success and experience. No doubt the sherpas were all patriarchal misogynists. Play stupid games …
Odds were looking very good indeed.
Im surprised that Sherpas and expedition leaders dont have more authority to refuse to take an at-risk climber further.
And she was a teacher??? You would think someone who teaches kids should know better... great role model.
I'm 51, a mountaineer for my whole life and still very fit (I'm running around 200k a month and still a member of the Austrian Mountain Rescue Service).
Even 25 years ago to climb this mountain made no sense any more. It's risky as a mountain but with all the "climbers" on it's even more dangerous. I decided it's not worth an attempt and I never regretted it. It's madness there are 1000s of other beautiful, high and technically challenging mountains to climb - for free.
What do you mean by highly technical? Because I just hear very dangerous.
@@gmc5618 a mountain could be dangerous because of avalanches, altitude in general, other people causing accidents (like falling rocks) or spontaneous rock slides, etc. Often things that are hard to control or predict.
A mountain is technically challenging if the route demands a high level of technical knowledge and routine to get up safety. Like hard climbing in good rock or ice, difficult to find navigate and navigate routes, maybe even logistics (approach, camps, etc.)
Or the type of mountaineering. I was never a friend of this "Siege style" of mountaineering where sherpas, big camps and fixed ropes are involved. I always considered the "Alpine style" superior where you and your bodies carry all the stuff.
I would rather do half a mountain like Everest but would be prouder if I have done it by myself.
@@HaraldHofer thanku so interesting! Good luck with your climbs x
You couldnt climb a mountain at 26 and still a member ob the mountain rescue service !?!?
@@adambane1719 wouldn't climb this mountain in particular due to the risks created by other climbers
Suzanne's Cardiologist would have had a heart attack, knowing she wanted to click Everest.
What a stubborn woman, could have killed others all just to say that she'd summited Everest. Madness!
Hubris
Some people become obsessed with it. I’m glad no one else died because of her stupidity and stubbornness.
True, but realistically she couldn’t get far out of base camp. I’d say people who can get close to the top before failing are more of a risk, cause then you’re out of helicopter range and rescue depends on sherpas and other climbers
Women have killed many on the mountains they're a biological liability
She was a idiot.
That teacher is a perfect example of someone who should NOT have been allowed to go.
There should absolusltey be a prereq, or qualification on those first ascents... If it takes a great climber 20 minutes the cap should be 90 etc... If you cant prove that you shouldnt be able to continue. It should be part of the contract agreement with the sherpas. Would save alot of lives
Kids, your teacher is now a frozen landmark on Everest.
Maybe she should have tried loving the students more than the mountain.
@@ADM-wt9cn Many professional climbers are in physical condition on par with most well-trained athletes in the world. It takes more than determination, only the most fit should be given permits and be able to demonstrate their fitness by undergoing a serious rigorous test while being hooked up to health monitoring equipment. You then must be able to lift your own weight and demonstrate on a pullup bar. Run on a treadmill that declines and inclines and go through an intense preprogrammed cycle for a set amount of time. Possibly more, you get the idea. This may weed out a lot of people and hurt the bottom line, but by not doing this you are putting people's lives at risk.
@@coolramone She's too cool for that, now literally.
As a young Boy Scout I was introduced into backpacking in the beautiful Rocky Mountains of Utah Wyoming and Idaho
The first rule we learned,as 12 year old scouts was if you pack it in you must pack it out
Leave it better than you found it
The first Asian woman to climb Everest with a pacemaker ... Even if she were successful she would have easily been outdone by the first left-handed French woman to climb Everest with a hearing aid.
climbing Everest has become like that old SNL skit about replacement players in the MLB strike. Everyone was a first at training camp with their insane & ridiculous virtue signals. The SNL writers warned us in the 90s.
👏👏👏 Bravo! Best and most accurate explanation of this me, me world.
I'm actually nearly positive I'm the 1st person from a western country with narcissitic personality disorder and a propensity for putting others lives at risk to make it halfway up the mountain and turn back for being inexperienced and out of shape. I'll be expecting a heroes' welcome when i return home.
So dumb 🤦🏻♂️
Left-handed French woman? You're not doing DiVeRsItY right.
It's sad that a father of six decides to risk his life like that. You owe your kids to try your best to stay safe and be there for them
It's the kids that owe the parents for their very existence, parents don't owe their kids anything...
@@Road_Rashthe kids didn't ask to be born !
@@Road_Rash then don't have them- they do owe their children to be responsible, especially 6 of them...
@@maryburger1232 agree 100 percent- you choose to have children you owe them some responsibility
Stop moralizing, live your life as you wish, let others do the same.
I get winded going up my stairs and lately I’ve been thinking climbing Mount Everest is a fun thing to do! I might refinance my house to go to that! Wish me luck!
You are a very powerful queen. You can do it and don't even bother with the foolishness of getting fit first, that is for timid losers. Now you go refinance that house at once and get going. I don't know you or anything but I just know you can do it😉
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I remember reading about one lady whose highest hike she ever did was just under 7k ft. I live in Colorado at around 6k feet, spouse's previous job was at 8.5k feet. I have done one 14er and it was rough, plus other mountains that are above 11k. I would never consider myself ready for Everest or K2. The sheer audacity and narcissistic rich people who just decide to go to Everest like it's Disney World is mind boggling. How disconnected from reality are they?
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I seriously think these people don't understand how many elements are against them and how unfit they are for it. Their ego cannot accept it. I guarantee you this woman couldn't even do a long jog in her regular town let alone climbing Everest. It is like she ignores every possible sign.
Yeah, I don't get it. I've climbed a few small mountains and I would never even think of attempting an 8000 metre mountain. why do people who have literally 0 experience think this is a good idea? are they just that dumb, that they think nothing bad can possibly happen to them?
Each and everyone a potential Darwin Award finalist.
That woman made me angry as well. If she wants to die, then die without risking others people lives and die alone
Being super rich does that to a lot of people. After a time, all that matters is competing with other super rich people by buying accolades for themselves that they dont really deserve.
Sandy Pittman is a great example of summiting because she had the money to hire the help to get her there and to save her life even though others were left to die. She even hired a private plane to take her back instead of trekking back like all the others do and threw a party to celebrate her accomplishments. Such a false sense of achievement.
She threw a party?! Half her team died in the 1996 disaster. Unbelievable she would consider a party appropriate.
Anatoli Bokriev carry her down to camp 4 and save her life.@@Kat-fr3yg
If that is true, she is gonna face some serious karma. Wtf is wrong with people like that??? I hope they shut down Everest to all but those with the qualifications.
Hell ya it’s true, and she’d hired away one of the Sherpas who was supposed to set ropes for the oncoming teams that caused the entire bottleneck
I you really want to know what happened see, mountain without mercy. @@anunknownknown
A pacemaker on Everest doesn’t make ANY medical sense, it’s particularly alarming when tied with no other climbing experience. I always thought after the tragedy of 1996, everything on Everest would change for the better. Sadly, it is way worse. So very terrible. God bless the Sherpas. ❤
Sherpas are the ones taking their money right?
Permits for Everest should only be issued for those who have already ascended 3x 8k mountains. It should be the domain for serious climbers.
Makes sense that you need three difficult 8k mountains before you are allowed to climb the easy 8k mountain. LOL.
They want the money
No such thing as an easy 8K climb in my mind / world.
Everest is one of the easiest 8ks
@@tomw0815 Yeah agree... It is the right idea... Maybe others like aconagua or rainier before, even Mt Whitneys mountaineers is a great test.
The sunk cost fallacy is a BIG PROBLEM on Everest 🙁
It really is!
I think one of the main reasons there are so many injuries/fatalities on Everest is because people cannot afford the climb (It's basically 100k) until they're in their late 50's where most people have enough money in their savings to make such an expensive decision. If you're not an active person in general and think a few months of training is enough to summit at that age, well I have news for you.
The best comment about it.
And that lady was clearly overweight and out of shape just from her pictures alone.
As I understand it you need a medical clearance document to get a permit. It’s interesting that she was able to get one. Or maybe that’s a newer law.
One of the key symptoms of hypoxia is impaired judgement. Putting yourself in a situation where you know you are likely to make stupid decisions is in itself a stupid decision...
So everyone who has ever drank😂😂
They're stupid to begin with
Exactly. Sounds like the sherpas are morons for not forcing her back down.
I'm not a mountaineer in the slightest but I'm always watching videos about it. They really need to put a stranglehold on the number of people allowed on these major mountains every year.
Will never happen. Nepal is staggeringly poor & they rely on these $11,000 USD each permit for their economy. It's like a cash cow & everybody is thirsty. Why would you stop it.
I'm against having a limit. It will end up where rich/connected people get the permits. And once the gatekeepers get control they want to use their power, which I've experienced when gates get installed on off-road trails here in the USA. Sorry that woman in the video died, but it was ultimately her choice. We can't and should not protect against all risks at the expense of other people's freedom.
@@bigworldparty I can understand your first point.
I'm not advocating for limiting it cause of safety though. People can do what they want. It just seems to be littered with litter and bodies. And the photos of 40+ people in a line to the summit seems weird lol maybe that's normal. again not a mountaineer so not really my place but my opinion anyway.
@@helpstopanimalabuse8153 that makes sense. Just unfortunate about the litter.
You’re not a mountaineer per your own comment. So your opinion is without merit or value.
I met her on may 2022 during our ebc trek. I found her walking very slow, anyway she managed to reach the ebc without much issues, may be that gave her the over confidence to climb the Everest. I think she mentioned that, she is from Daman Diu and a former headmistress. She was friendly with other trekkers... RIP
One of my teammate was in touch with her on jan 2023. She told him like this -
I am looking for someone who can accompany me, with my pace to climb Everest. Most of the people from my hometown came to know about my plan, so I must need to do it at any cost. I am looking for sponsors and I already invested most of my savings. I got training from mountaineering institute(not sure which one).
This is the best comment for this video. Informative and respectful.
what is EBC
@@bananka4905Everest Base Camp
@@bananka4905 Everest Base Camp
@@bananka4905Everest base camp.
Something tells me that the Suzanne lady, at 59, spent or put herself in major debt to climb Everest, and was banking on the notoriety of social media to pay it back. That would explain the stubbornness of not wanting to say no.
Atleast she got away from the debt
The ‘Silvassa Industries and Manufacturers Association’ published a letter they received from her requesting sponsorship to help her make their region/state proud, as a local teacher and the first Asian woman with a pacemaker to summit Everest.
At that age highly doubtful its about social media😂😂 bet you a 1000 it was bc was she was getting older and wanted to feel like she acomplished a huge goal before it was to late
@@junioradult6219 Oh sweetie, you havent been on the internet lately. Wanting to be social media famous does discriminate on age
Who was the first ever climber with a toe ring to summit? Maybe that title is still up for grabs
My dad had a pacemaker, & he considered himself lucky that the medical technology was available to help him ‘live his best life” he always said.
My dad passed away 3 years ago. He was very stubborn, but, unlike that first one, he knew & accepted his limitations.😑
Your dad must have been a Dirty Harry fan! Harry famously warned that, "a man's got to know his limitations".
Stubborn is ok as far as it does not put other peoples life at risk.
Susanne even posted on her facebook blaming the sherpas for treating her badly. Really horrible!
"I have paid for 2 sherpas to make my way towards Everest easier....but rather unfortunately....they think that gives them the power to torture me with real time manhandling and misadventures so that I discontinue my mission. Sick of some people around. Their minds are sicker then their bodies.(And there are kind people around too.)"
Feminist climbs Everest😅
There's something especially galling about ungrateful people.
Manhandling is a gender neutral term…
It's ridiculous. Climbing Everest used to be a monumental achievent. Now there are troops of tourists being all but airlifted to the summit.
No one is being air lifted if it's so easy why don't you go?
Air lifted?? Apparently someone besides me, does not know much about Everest.
@@yourtrappedinmygenjutsu : "...all but..."
@@TC-dw6wg : "...all but..."
Yeah. Now it is something for which you clown on people because it is some bunk.
If I were a serious, experienced, dedicated mountaineer who earned the right to attempt Everest, now I wouldn't do it because the tourists would be putting my life at additional risk. The mountain is dangerous enough, now I have to worry about someone who has decided to make Everest their first serious climb. Push them off it. Seeing those long lines like the mountain was some Disneyland ride was sickening.
Just because people dedicate more time to climbing mountains and climb more often doesn't give them any rights to a mountain or anymore rights than anyone else. So called mountaineers are self entitled ego driven pricks who think they're better than others. I don't care if they've climbed mountains a thousand times. They have no more rights than a person climbing a mountain for the first time.
so you aren't a mountain climber? just a internet commenter
Nah, I agree and I'm the youngest of my nationality to summit a 7.000m peak in the Himalayas.
Would hate to be on a mountain with someone who needs a Sherpa to put on his/her crampons or tell them what food and equipment to pack for what camp
Go climb K2
No kidding, Mt. Everest is the last place on the planet you would expect to run into a crowd. No thanks.
I’d like to be the first person to climb Everest in a kayak. Like I’d hire two extra Sherpas to carry the kayak while I sit in it. Do you think a guide company would accommodate this request?
Lmao!
I’ve gotcha…two million dollars and I can hook you up.
There was a guy who I think was the first guy to snowboard down it. You’ll never guess what happened when he attempted it a second time. (He disappeared).
Forget if it was Everest or another 8000m mountain.
What? You expect two sherpas to carry you in a steep and icy cold rock mt everest with unpredictable weather and avalanche? Nah man... 😂😂😂 If you wanna do that... You have 20 percent chance of coming back ALIVE and I would said advance RIP TO WHOEVER SHERPAS WOULD AGREE TO YOUR MADNESS. GOODLUCK.
I'm truly angered about Mt. Everest being trashed because there are too many careless people on it. The graffiti alone made me gasp, but all that garbage left or tossed into a crevasse because ignorant entitled people need to stoke their egos is disgusting.... It's another human environmental disaster.
The sherpas littered just as much as the tourists.
@@linshore7451 I wouldn't be surprised....
They have paid millions even if they poop in there no one can ask them anything😂
The ground is considered the natural resting place for all discarded items in many countries and they think nothing of it.
Stupid comment … why ego … most people including yourself do things others will rate as dumb and idiotic … everybody does things they love and everybody has desires and dreams … some want to go on a lovely holiday, others want to engage in whatever challenges, others want to climb Everest … where is the problem? Worse than ego on Everest is the arrogance so many people display in the comments! Feeling entitled and superior. Thats disgusting. And its getting worse. Its greedy companies trashing the mountain … leaving their shit behind others need to clear up.
I am an avid rock climber, mountaineer, skier, snowboarder. Yet, i have zero sympathy for people that push their limits for no absolute reason than because they are adrenaline junkies and narcissists. Most of us, when it comes, just deserve it.
Decades ago I could have called myself the same - and despite being asked once if I was interested in a trip to the Himalayas, I very firmly declined. Like you I knew my limits and not to compare myself to others. Never for a moment regretted turning down that offer. I spent decades climbing, skiing and tramping in New Zealand and had many close calls - but I am proud to say no-one was ever harmed on any trip I was involved in.
Jealous af
@@ColinMor-fj3qc As a New Zealander of that generation I knew a number of people related to Ed Hillary and Ed Cotter. I climbed in NZ with Cotter's son Guy, who himself went on to have a long and sometimes dramatic career in the Himalayas. I have nothing but respect for them - and not the slightest envy.
If you met them you soon learned they were tough minded, highly skilled and very fit individuals for whom the risk reward benefit was worth it. Even so we lost many and I still mourn a few. In those early days literally 1 in 10 lead climbers on Everest did not return.
Those of us who have experienced the high alps and both their allure and dread, have no respect for those who think money and narcissism can 'buy' them a shortcut to the the top of the world. Only those who have already done at least 5 8000m summits, or have a record of being lead climbers in this high domain, should be eligible for a permit.
@@ColinMor-fj3qcur weird!
I wish more people were adrenaline junkies. Too many people on the planet.
Why would a 59 years old woman with a pacemaker try to climb Everest?
can't fix stupid
I did Mt Fuji last month, and found it enlightening. Coming from Florida, it was tough, no real way to acclimatize before hand, but also gave me an idea of what would be needed for any other higher mountain. I have no desire to climb higher mountains.
And Mt Fuji has a proper walkway
This seems like a far more wise approach. I'm in my 50s & physically active, but I have no mountaineering experience. There is no way I would try to make Everest my first summit. I would have to climb many gradually higher mountains before going for an 8000m. This teacher basically chose to end her life for whatever reasons.
@@antoniotula262 It's hard to say for sure, since I dont' actually know her. But often people overestimate their abilities when they have never done something. I'm in my 50s too, and had my 19 year old daughter with me. Both of us struggled, in different ways. I think she actually had more altitude sickness than I did. Maybe I thought her youth would help her. Anyways, we both survived, there are people who also die on Mt. Fuji, one 70 year old died a few weeks before we climbed. Plus the normal accidents, it's still a steep mountain.
@cloudswinger2000 I don't know her either, but I'm sure most reasonable people do not think that anyone who is 59yrs old with a pacemaker, no mountaineering experience, non athletic, can simply go and summit the highest mountain in the world. The idea to do this is bad enough, but then she was given a clear sign of her abilities when it took her 5 hours to reach a point, normally reached in 15 to 20 minutes. It took her 6 hours on a second attempt and a staggering 12 hours on the third attempt. She chose to ignore this obvious sign. At some point, given this information, it is clear that she was not rational.
You went hiking not mountaineering
Inactive obese woman with a pacemaker and without any climbing experience wants to climb the highest mountain on earth: what could go wrong?
Seriously... that's just gross negligence. Even if she paid for everything: How could any company sign a contract with her?! Endangering not only her, but also their own employees?
Though... from her attitude towards the Sherpas I assume that she lied when signing the contract, lying about her health and fitness.
Otherwise it doesn't make sense to me.
maybe she wanted to self-delete and this was just the excuse? Climbing a mountain at that age is tough, needing a pacemaker already makes it seem like a suicidal endeavor.
When your name is Suzanne Leopoldina Jesus what can go wrong?
teachers are sooooo smart eh
@@doctormcboy5009 lol for sure
The mountain have zero f#*k to give for ones ego.
On my trek to the Everest Basecamp there was a member of the team who some would describe as sort of an "Alpha male " figure. He was fit, successful in life, and has a very outgoing personality. All the way from Lukla to Gokyo he push himself to be amongst the very first of the pack, trying to keep up with the lead guides and the more experienced trekkers and be the first to make it to the next camp. At Gokyo he succumbed to exhaustion and started developing signs of altitude sickness, and had to be escortrd back down to Numche Bazaar.
If he had heed the advice of the guides like the rest of us, listen to our body and go at our own pace, then he would've been able to enjoyed the trek and make it to Basecamp like the rest of us. Altitude is the ultimate equalizer.
I just want to make the trek to (or close to) base camp and see Everest. Going up…no way.
Whenever this happens, wishing you a great adventure!
You can't see Everest from base camp. I went to the region and climbed Kala Patar, a trekking peak. You don't need special equipment to climb it. You only had to do some scrambling at the end. I sat on top and looked at Everest for 45 minutes. Then I came back down. It is an easy climb, yet at over 18,000 feet, higher than the highest mountain in Europe. You just trek there from Lukla, and trek back to Lukla after that. We were the only ones on the top that day, and the view was breathtaking. Well worth it. An experience of a lifetime without risking climbing Everest itself.
@@marilyndee969 Thats the trek i was thinking about. I've seen some videos of people that have done it and looks amazing. So even if you get to base camp of Everest, you don't see the mountain? I don't climb and have no interest of doing so. Seems crazy to me.
@@aclarkedesign = I lived in Nepal and trekked a lot in the Everest and Annapurna regions. Never did any climbing that required equipment at all, nor oxygen. Just plain hiking.
We had been trekking around the Everest region for three weeks at the time, and were well aclimatized. Going up Kala Patar was about like climbing a Boulder foothill. I lived in Boulder, CO for ten years and climbed them a lot.
Once you are used to the altitude, the climbs were similar. Just hike up, and did some hiking on all fours near the top. Sit and enjoy the view. Then hike back down. The effort was not different from climbing Flagstaff or Green mountain in the Boulder foothills. You fly into Lukla from Kathmandu and fly out again at the end.
I am not a strong person nor a strong hiker. Just average in every way. Once you are used to the altitude, the climb is an easy one. The view is beautiful and worth it. Good luck!
@@marilyndee969Yesss!!!... I've read about & saw video on the phenomenal view. I'm in my 50s & have been athletic my whole life, but I would never climb anything other than a trekking or hiking type of mountain. I simply have zero experience and am too old to actually climb anything even half of Everest.
It's so frustrating that people with absolutely no business being on huge mountains are allowed to go if they have enough money. I don't care if they want to be stupid and put their own lives at risk but the problem is that it potentially harms others too. There's the people having to help them climb, or rescue them, or they become a hazard along the trail and other climbers must now find a different path in order to get around them. It's the worst combination of stupid and selfish and I don't feel bad for their passing whatsoever.
Horrible how the government is allowing $$$ to be main factor in climbing.
The people that argue with their sherpas and want to keep going are dumb, but I don’t see a problem with people paying to try it. The sherpas are making a good living because of it and they know the risk. They have as much business being there as anyone.
@@odac43 : "Anything for money!" SMH!!
@@odac43 There are plenty of other mountains all around the world they can try that are far easier. Making any 8,000er your first climb is like trying to perform heart surgery your first day in med school. You don't just jump directly into something extremely difficult and life threatening without any knowledge or experience.
@@empressmarowynn that is very true, but I still don’t see the problem when there is an agreement between adults who are all aware of the risks involved. I don’t understand the hate they are getting. Probably jealousy because they are mostly rich people?
I read about that lady Shariya Shah-Klorfine yesterday that tried to climb ME. She had never even climb a mountain but dropped 100k with a questionable company and actually made the summit. But she was too tired to descend and died. Begging people to save her and take her down. 😢
And she supposedly was also told several times by her guide that she needs to abort the plan as she will die doing so. She switched guides, went and didn’t turn around when her new guide told her to turn around as she will be too weak to descend otherwise. The combination of determination and lacking any climbing experience or athletic ability is deadly. And besides that, expedition companies that even accept these people are a real problem, aswell as a government that doesn’t want to make rules about the issue
Hopefully they left her on the mountain
Its impossible for me to feel bad for these people
RIGHT?????? Oh poor baby, made the decision to do everything against all advice they’ve been given, take an assload of free money to do something they Dunning-Kruger’d their way into signing up for… POOR POOR BABY
I’m not sure they would want you to…
@@punkpanther6310They are probably narcissists, who definitely want all the attention including pitty.
@@punkpanther6310 Narcissists most definitely would want you to.
Shelter, safety, health, and financial well-being just WASN'T ENOUGH for these people. They had to have more.
What is the point in risking your precious life? Just to say "I did it"? Lethally negligent disregard. Is it really "heartless" to save my concern for those who are truly innocent of wrongdoing and do NOT risk their precious lives for nothing as opposed to someone who climbs a mountain, risking their lives for no legitimate reason?
3 suggestions for the Everest Industry
1. increase the price for permits enough for them to have 3 man team "evacuation" sherpas at base camp 4, to focus solely on evacuating medical emergencies.
2. require every climber to purchase a "trash bag" a burlap or plastic garbage sized bag that is required to return FULL to base camp 1, and have it verified by staff.
3. a "check out" climb at base camp 1 to establish "fitness" to go further on. Weed out tourists with inadequate mountain climbing experience.
Most people attempting these climbs have enough funds to do it so charge a bit more to provide more safety, standards and cleanup on the mountains.
Increasing the cost of permits doesn't stop those climbers who are rich enough but not experienced enough to climb Everest and having more Sherpas won't stop them dying or risking Sherpas lives in getting them up the mountain or off the mountain when they aren't able to go further. Maybe permits should only be given to individuals, after they prove they have the experience, they then contact the companies who run the climb and book a place. Although not sure how prove you've got suitable experience.
Each climber pays an extra $4K for trash removal... it's refundable if they bring down 18 kilos of trash with them... that's the average amount left by each individual climber...so item #2 on your list is already required...
The sherpas and porters can pick up the trash.
I believe #2 right now is a $400 deposit which is returned if they bring their garbage back down with them. Never heard of a $4,000 deposit, but maybe I’m wrong. Experience should be the main requirement to climb with verifiable proof.
@@Nuttyirishman85it's already a cost in full permit price, so all good. The dumb dumbs pay
There are old climbers and there are bold climbers, but, there are no old, bold climbers. My dad taught me that when I was 8… 40 years later I think of this often. The saying has saved my life a few times…
so original
@@Capecodham Many people do not know that saying and it is very sensible and relevant now more than ever.
What is the point? Stand in lines surrounded by garbage to do something that thousands of other people have done already. Then fools die and their families are devastated. Pointless.
good content for us 😎
Part of the problem with Everest is it is presented in such a way that it appears to be big yet accessible. Even in this video, the footage is unable to provide images of just what it takes to be an individual that is capable of summitting Everest. Hell, even getting to Base Camp is a huge undertaking. The more that people hear of traffic jams and average people climbing, even with the horror stories, they just get spurred on more with the attitude of, "I've paid for this and I have Sherpa's and bright coloured clothing so I'm going to be able to do this".
Although this maybe also how these trips demise, as more people see the pictures of the queues and perceive it as "easy" therefore there is less kudos there is to climbing it for those who merely do it for the bragging rights, however I think this means mountains like K2 will becomes more popular for tourists climbers and they are even more dangerous.
Getting to base camp isn't really a huge undertaking. It's only a 5km trek with two slightly steep sections that are zig zag pathed all the way up anyway. There is 0 climbing involved. Thousands and thousands of people do it every year.
@@ColinMor-fj3qc Deaths on the route to base camp are extremely rare and occur due to other complications. It isn't that high of an altitude at all. Like I said, getting to base camp really isn't that hard of an undertaking.
It is such an easy trek involving no climbing even beginners can do it. It's listed as a moderate route for trekking so it is even recommended for people with zero trekking experience.
But.. that’s the thing… more people die.. because more people are climbing..
@@Wigalot Have you seen how far the walk in to Base Camp is? It's 130km and takes 12 days as people slowly acclimatise.
If you can find it, “The Ascent of Rum Doodle” is funny but also makes a point. It was written before this sad craze of Everest tourism.
I didn't know stupidity could be uncovered with an autopsy.
lmao you roasted that corpse
Everest hasn't been an overly technical climb in years.
"Traffic jams" have been killing more climbers there in the last couple of decades as O2 canister deplete while you stand and wait for your turn to summit.
I WONDER WHY DONT THEY CARRY MORE O2. ARE THOSE HEAVY?
@@TheMaulam12345 Tanks are both heavy and bulky.
Good video. I read the book 'Into thin air' years ago years ago; a very well written book that sparked my interest in the climbing Everest thing (the insanity of it all that is) I've been following Everest since I read it. Sometimes experienced seasoned climbers who've climbed it before, go down as well. Their bodies suddenly decide to fail.
Nothing about climbing Everest has ever sounded appealing. Especially now where anyone can do it with the money, some do glamping, it feels so sketchy. I also have health issues, there’s no way I would be able to make it. It’s so scary to think how many go up and not come back 😓.
I get the appeal somewhat. If I was fit enough and had no health issues, I might risk it after practicing for YEARS to become a good climber... and even then I would consider the risks more than once. I might be too scared to do it.
But going there totally unprepared... I just don't get it. And how selfish to put her Sherpas through this and going on despite their opinion!
@@cjane_world Why though? So you can follow a Sherpa to the summit with hundreds of others in a row? Train for K2 or something. You wouldn't be doing it for the challenge, you'd be doing it for the clout and validation.
@@Krystalmyth k2 is basically worse odds than Russian roulette, even for experienced climbers.
If you want to become an alpinist is because you LOVE mountains, not records. Validation should come climbing mountains at your level, with your preparation. I think I would never be fully satisfied in climbing with Sherpas doing the majority of my work.
I would love to see Everest but only from the bottom, at a safe distance. I have zero desire to climb up anything higher than a step ladder..
I'm not sympathetic of Suzanne's plight, it was her foolhardy stubbornness that brought her to her end and her family should give thanks that Suzanne did not cause others to suffer from her behavior. Sure, some stubbornness (perseverance) is necessary but it needs to be 'informed' based on experience - trying to climb Everest with no other experience is simply ill considered (I'd use stronger words but fear TH-cam would remove my comment).
this is the perfect phrase. People confuse stubbornness and selfishness with perseverance and make it seem a good thing to just "pull through" no matter what. While this might be a good attitude in some situations in life, it definitely is not on an 8000m peak 😬
@mrsfrappucchinoblub6005 Particularity when she had no experience and was 59, with a pacemaker! This is some form of mental illness. It would be amazing if she climbed a 1500ft mountain, much less Everest.
I thought everyone had to have experience to climb Mount Everest and have already climbed several high mountains.
Nope. Sadly, with enough money, even total couch potatos who haven't hiked a day in their life can pay to go up there.@@dee8714
She climbed to base camp the year prior, a 14 day 80 mile round trip to 17,600 ft
I can't judge people on their dreams and ambitions. For some of us, it's what keeps us going. As long as they did what they wanted to do and were happy about it, then they went out happy.
I think this woman actually had a death wish to die on Everest thinking she might go down in history as a brave mountineer who sucummed to the elements on a brave and historic endeavor.
a fine line
It baffles my mind that they even let inexperienced people on the mountain in the first place. It is heartbreaking to see money trumps human lives.
Crazy to think someone has the power to not let people on a mountain. Nature is for everyone. Allmans right.
Money has always trumped human lives, throughout all of human history.
"It baffles my mind that they even let inexperienced people on the mountain in the first place. "
It's not a very technical climb. Physical fitness and equipment trump training to summit Everest.
While lower, K2 requires all three.
Exactly
It's not baffling at all. This is about their only "export" worth speaking about, tourism. So while mountain climbing is kind of an extreme version of tourism, that's still what it is. What products does Nepal export? Do you know? Where do you think they get their foreign currency?
There is zero pressure for Nepal to further "regulate" or limit the number of climbers. If stupid crazy foreigners want to give us money and hire our citizens, then they will gladly take the stupid rich foreigners' money.
The morality may be shady, but economics are crystal clear. I just checked, and in 2021, a permit to climb Everest was $11,000. Some equipment you can bring with you, but it costs thousands of dollars each to hire cooking, cargo and climbing sherpas. Add in food, transportation, hotel stays and whatnot, that's a lot of money. Also the oxygen masks and tanks. Over 400 climbing permits are issued each year now. This is a multi-million dollar industry in a country that has little else.
I think a very interesting takeaway would be that non of them "fell" to their death or anything. Its just the brutal cardio and the immense height.
It’s the cold mostly. You just freeze to death.
@@arizonaranger2333not the cold as much as the sheer lack of oxygen saturation in the air.
It's the thin air
I do not feel sorry for this lady !!! She was warned numerous time by experts and still refuse to lesson.. Be respectful and use common sense. Unless you’re crazy or stupid or both.
I Totally Agree it's called suicide Ok . Can't hang don't go need too carry your own Weight Everest is not place too reckless It will cost you your Life.
Guided tours which take up relatively inexperienced climbers aren't something new - as per Jon Krakauer's book - Into Thin Air, such guided tours already started gaining traction back in the 1990s. But Suzanne Leopoldina Jesus' case is probably unique given that she had pretty much no experience whatsoever. May she RIP.
Im pretty torn on this issue. If people want to risk their own necks, I say let them. The only thing that gives me pause is that they often endanger other people also.
Sadly it’s all about the foreign money as the country is cash strapped and people are in huge need . We are trekkers and have been to Nepal’s Himalayas twice now , a third time in coming years . We have no intention to summit any of the peaks as we are simply not mountaineers let alone experienced mountaineers. The trails are still a great experience 😊 .We have been lucky enough to have spoken with extremely experienced mountaineers and their adventures plus several Sherpa’s who have summited Everest and other peaks above 8000 mtrs. Even they say it is dangerous and will not do it again , partly because of age but more-so the dangers. They say they essentially have to for the money and the companies say it is their job to get the customers up there .
It is NOT just a matter of pay and go to say ‘ I did it ‘, you MUST have high altitude mountaineering experience or quite simply death will catch you up …….not to mention putting all the ‘paid’ Sherpa teams in danger themselves - how selfish!
You are honest and realistic about your experience and abilities. Yet, you are better qualified than several others who think paying a ton of money magically enables them to successfully climb Everest.
The sherpas decide to bring people up, take their money, risk their lives. Leaving a trail of bodies and garbage up there - I’m surprised they don’t consider that mountain after a god or goddess in ancient tradition. How to disrespect a monument that means so much ….
Most of them do it for the bragging rights and they are slobs who leave all their garbage behind what they should do is take a large deposit and an equipment inventory and when you bring all your crap off the mountain you get your money back.
Didn't need to go to Nepal to know that.
Sherpas do it bc they can make over 10 times in a couple months then they would make in a year otherwise. Alot on everest are making over 100k
50 years ago, climbing Everest was a mark of strength and courage. Now, it is a mark of shame.
Go try it😂not even the east face just the regular path. Good luck
Sunk cost fallacy is a huge factor! Paying for the trip and having to make it to the top is a blinder
Maybe Nepal should consider refunds so as to save money because an attempted rescue I assume costs an insane amount
Experienced or not people who climb are who I use to think cared about their environment but seeing the amount of trash makes me sick. 4 years ago I couldn't walk and a mountain bike accident this morning on the road I'm back three legging it but still filled up a bucket with trash that accumulated since Saturday morning along the state highway my piece of paradise in New Hampshire is on. 7 months living here equals 5,400 plus butts alone and I smoke yet don't use the no ashtray excuse. There is a fire risk too.
Apologies for ranting but this subject really irks me especially on a fixed income dealing with pain, pain and you guessed it better things to do.
I work at a state park now on the maintenance crew. I feel your pain. Before I worked there I still picked up loose trash on my own for free. People simply just don't care. Bunch of entitled f*cks.
Smokers in particular are real pieces of shite constantly using the world as their personal ashtray. Butts on the beach, in the woods, sides of the road...it doesn't stop.
The second fatality had zero to do with inexperience. Evensome of the most experienced climbers have developed altitude sickness in the death zone. The first wasn't inexperience as much as it was an insane person. The "inexperienced climbers" narrative is the reason there are so many inexperienced climbers. They've heard time and time again that anyone can summit Everest. Back when that narrative started, even the "inexperienced" climbers were all accomplished mountaineers.
If the second climber had been more experienced, he might have recognized the symptoms of mountain sickness early on and could have turned back towards safety in time. As far as the first fatality is concerned, she did not have the needed skillset, which is nearly synonymous to inexperience.
@@Kivikesku she was inexperienced, but that didn't cause her death. She basically committed self deletion via mountain.
You wanna talk insane Everest climbers? Try looking up Maurice Wilson, died 1934
20+ years ago Everest was said to be a trash pile of things left by climbers. I can't imagine how disapointing some aspects of the mountain have degraded even further.
K2 is actually the "ultimate dream" for most mountaineers. It is impossible for inexperienced climbers to summit K2.
So, you haven’t heard that K2 has become Everest 2.0? Expedition companies are there to hold your hand and get you to the summit…
That's right. So true. K2 is a badass Mt.
@@valerierodger
And watch the bodies pile up.
@@valerierodgerlol you let everyone know how ignorant you are
10:24 to think of all the bodies they can’t remove getting trash thrown on them is a sad thought. Like you said all for that little box to check off for life.
Main character syndrome, I think they genuinely believe they cannot die, that they'll somehow make it out
Sherpas should be able to decline to take clients, that is ridiculous
money talks
They can. There’s a big problem with reputable companies turning people down only for them to end up on Everest anyway with a much less safe company.
The first woman was almost certainly an example of that. No way, a reputable company would let someone who took 12 hours to go 1 mile on their third attempt leaving base camp continue. The fact they let her try to get to camp one when she was already clearly suffering from severe altitude effects (which impair judgment) is gross negligence. Had she been a little bit stronger and gotten higher, they would have put others in danger by letting her continue.
Everybody has their opinion of what happened but not one person mentioned Anatolia, he was a true hero on that day saving many stranded climbers and leading them back to camp. When no one else wanted to go out into the storm to help.
The climbing and mountaineering worlds were ruined by guided climbs of wealthy egomaniacs, going back to at least 1996.
What bullshit … the climbing & mountaineering world does not consist of egomaniacs? They are doing exactly the same! Climbing! Among them there are no wealthy climbers? Arrogant and entitled comment! There are wealthy people climbing, but also many getting their trip sponsored to make it possible. And its the climbing and mountaineering world that founded companies to descend on beautiful and remote areas to offer breathtaking experiences. Where is the line between egomaniac, commercial and true climbing? Who are true climbers? Income? Equipment? Passion?
@@GanymedeXD A”True Climber” is a person with a VISION to climb something “unclimbable”. A True Climber doesn’t use a guide and goes alone, without supplemental oxygen. REINHOLD MESSNER IS A TRUE CLIMBER. Totally reliant on himself alone.
Why would a TRUE CLIMBER want to be stuck at 8000 meters in a line of struggling wannabes??? Everest has become a joke. The litter, the helicopter rescues, that’s not mountaineering.
I get the employment opportunities for the Sherpas and the communities along the way to base camp, but it is out of control. The government greed is selling more permits than the mountain is capable of sustaining.
1:50 I always wonder, how does one or two skinny ropes support that many people?? At some points, it's supporting people going up and down, too, right?
There should be a medical team funded by climbers/officials to give final permission or not , to summit, via advice from Sherpas. Based at the last check point/camp. With evidences such as the woman’s deteriorating times and physical symptoms.People like her should NOT be allowed to make that decision . No refunds either for those deemed unfit.
I can't feel any simpathy for someone so stubborn and oblivious to the harm they can cause to others
It's hard to feel much sympathy for those who lack training and validation of basic skills, forgo easier summit attempts before attempting Everest, ignore clear signs that they're incapable of even an ascent out of base camp, and ignore the most stern recommendations and warnings by Sherpas.
I've previously heard similar stories, risking their lives, the lives of other, more capable climbers, and the Sherpas. For some, it looked like just a death wish - granted.
I think its the companies that allow and encourage unfit or unable climbers that are to blame.
Some youtuber posted a series on everest base camp recently and the commercialization is insane. Luxurious "tents" with electricity, open bars, chefs and buffets everywhere. If you have the money you can pay to have a professional essentially hold your hand the whole way and if anything goes wrong its expected they risk their own life to drag your ass back down.
@@turnwaiterthe wonton don? Love that dude.
*how does someone with no alpine climbing experience, overweight ,59 years old and with a pacemaker think they can climb Everest. holy shit.*
I think this is a tricky question since I do think that restricting the amount of climbers to Mount Everest would be a wise thing to do. They should really require the climbers to have a certain amount of climbing experience and also have some kind of official document about the state of their health before they are allowed to climb the mountain. On the other hand this is also a question of livelihood for the Himalayan people who carry the supplies of the climbers. The less climbers there are then the less chances of getting employment overall in that specific region. Though ultimately the safety of the climbers should come first but sadly I think the financial side overrides those concerns at least to some degree.
Plus less customers for all the local buisnesses. I dont think those sherpas making over a 100k in a couple months want to go back to 7 grand a year
They probably should make the permits more pricey and cut down on how many they offer a year. $11,000 for the permit is already prohibitively expensive - plus all the other expedition costs - so I don’t see how making it more expensive to offset the lost permits is any more elitist of thing than it already is. Or even a lottery system where you pay to submit your expedition in, then you pay the permit if selected. Sherpas deserve good pay plus not having to deal with the deadly combo of a crowded mountain and inexperience climbers. It looks like there are already some solid requirements in place to get a permit, like having climbed a 6,500m Nepalese mountain before, so it seems to also be an issue of cracking down on sketchy adventure companies that manage to put inexperienced people on the mountain in the first place. Plus, there could be more work on funneling and encouraging more people towards less dangerous activities near or on Everest that still requires some permitting and fees to make revenue there, like trekking at lower altitudes which can look like a lot of different things and come at a bunch of different price points. You don’t necessarily need a guide for that, but you could still offer services or “experiences” to learn form a “real Everest Sherpa” on your trek. Rich foreigners love that kind of stuff! There are definitely way more people who could do that kind of thing than there are people who can summit the mountain. But I suppose part of the problem is adventure companies can get way more money out of fewer people through Everest summits and, I imagine, some in the government do not want to get in the way of permitting revenue. Topped by a cherry of insufferable, pushy rich people who feel they are entitled to climb the mountain no matter what. Ultimately, would just be great if people in Nepal and Tibet didn’t have to rely on the fickle and exploitive world of ecotourism to make a living. There’s never really a safe way to climb a mountain even if everyone it experienced (though certainly ways to be smarter about it). With climate change making it harder to predict weather up there, it’s only gonna get worse with the trend of overcrowding + inexperience + social media FOMO brain rot.
Anyway, I’m just spitballing and procrastinating from work and really have no clue what I’m talking about 😂
These kind of deaths aren't good advertising and the bragging value seems degraded when invalids are escorted up...how does it impress when you did what an out-of-shape sick old lady (almost) did?
Nature can be a gruesome teacher to those who didn't do their homework.
I don't feel bad for any of the people that die on Everest...especially when they are trashing the mountain in the process.
These companies are just taking peoples money at this point. Consequences should befall on them, such as hefty fines if someone dies or is injured due to inexperience or allowing someone to even go with little to no experience. Something needs to be done.
These people killed themselves. Not the companies fault.
It's very depressing that such an important and special place is allowed to be treated with such little respect.
Before any more climbs every person who has profited from this mountain should clean up and collect all bodies, rubbish and discarded equipment.
ALL OF IT.
Government should insist on this.
Agreed, except the hikers should be doing it. They’re the ones leaving the trash. Just because they’re paying their way onto the mountain doesn’t mean they’re not responsible for it.
@@Gaius_Sinstoneabsolutely the sherpas and even the guides from other countries do a lot to set ropes and clean up, and at the end of the day are only there to make a living, look at the likes of Rob Hall and Scott fischer, risked their lives to set ropes for clients and paid the price for it.
This is a government that can't even give its citizens reliable electricity. They don't have the resources or the ability to do anything about their biggest money making machine.
Do you realize how difficult and dangerous that would be? You aren't cleaning the local park you are up 10s of thousands of feet.
It's simply not possible to clear the bodies off the mountain, especially not the ones up in the death zone. You'd just be adding more bodies from the people dying trying to carry them off they're too heavy to carry at that altitude and in to precarious of a location. The trash though, the hikers really should be required to carry extra off the mountain with them. At least that'd clear up the lower camps of trash eventually.
I admit I know nothing about this subject but Ive always wondered why they can pack stuff in but they cant pack stuff out. Is there a really good reason?
People are lazy and if you're carrying rubbish, you're not carrying supplies.
The government need to limit how many climbing permits are given out
This is truly the ultimate in pathological enabling for people who, without any merit, can participate with those who have worked hard for a goal.
I'm ready for Everest
I got out of a cab today and walked to the doors of the highrise where I spend my days at a desk twelve stories above sea level.
Next week I'm being transferred to the fourteenth floor to build my stamina.
I'll be sure to dump my taco wrappers everywhere on my journey.
I'm sure glad there's a water cooler at base camp two.
It used to be the hardest climb you could ever do but now it’s a tourist trap. The Sherpas carry all of your stuff for you while you walk up a hill. Wow so amazing 🤔.
Uhm dont know if its ever been considered the hardest? The tallest yea
They need to change the rules for climbing Everest...two years of climbing to bring down the trash before you are allowed to summit. This will allow them to test their abilities in real time and experience as well as clean up the debris.
Seasoned Everest mountaineers like myself always say: "If you don't respect the mountain, the mountain won't respect you!"
I really love how people (at least all of the serious ones I've seen on YT) go back to their roots and become animists when they deal with the big mountains. Seems like such a spiritual undertaking from the outside looking in. Maybe it's the risk; I hear people talking similarly about surfing big waves.
@@euro_anchorI think it's just acknowledging the great power of natural forces (weather, altitude, etc) that can easily kill a puny human, especially if unprepared or overconfident.
They should raise the permit price to $100K and require a physical. This first woman wasn't even in shape.
Why that? That would reduce the number of climbers and in consequence reducing the jobs on the mountain. Why should the nepali governent care about less dead foreigners on the mountain? Most people who try to climb it are fit enough.
If you raise the price to 100 K only for the permit then the flights, climbing gear, tent, food and porter, you get quick to a price that only rich people can afford to climb Everest. First of all the government should try to manage the waste on the mountain. And how can you possible check if climber are fit enough to climb Everest. Or qualified enough? Should they have climb a big mountain before? Or 2 or 3? It's verry hard to make a plan who can climb Everest. To raise the price is not one of them i think.
@@tomw0815 Maybe because their citizens are dying on this mountain protecting and recovering stubborn climbers? Destroying the mountain with trash and human waste also disincentivizes future climbers.
@@larsvegas6001maybe there should be a number on mountains you have already be on for a permission to hike Everest
@@JayCRossi yeah but thats the problem. Legally, i don't know if that is even possible. But let's say it is. Which mountains should you have climbed. How many? How high should they've been?
it's weird that nobody takes the bodies littering Everest as a warning to the danger ahead of them... but rather as milestones that help map the way...
The 'dead weight' of a rigor mortis body is difficult to handle at sea level. Now try 6k and higher.
oh i know they aren't able to be recovered safely or the family wants them left alone... but i still believe bodies of experienced climbers and sherpas should make at least novice climbers pause and reassess how dangerous this might be for them.
It's like wanting to box Mike Tyson just because they've been getting a lot of time in on the heavy bag down in the basement.
I hope to one day arrive at base camp,spend the night and return home.
This is also on the Nepalese government for not having standards for permits. Here, in Virginia's Shenandoah National Park, they time ticket the hardest hike in the park. While that hike is of no comparison to Everest, I think the idea should be implemented. There needs to be a limited number of permits issues to mitigate the number of people, damage to the mountain, increase safety. There should be a record of climbing mountains and distance hiking presented in order to get a permit, including one 8k meter mountain.
Is it one of virginias main sources of money? For nepal it is
@@junioradult6219Even in business there are considerations like brand image, reputation, etc. that are an important part of the equation. Perhaps guide associations, mountaineering clubs, tourism board (?) could bring more order to the situation, idk.
Blaming Nepal for selling 2 many permits is ridiculous, it’s an extremely poor country and needs the money. It is up to the companies that take these people there to school themselves properly and have specific tests that their clients have to pass to be allowed anywhere near the mountain.
Agreed. If stupid foreigners want to pay to die on your mountains is it really your obligation to stop them?
😂😂 Very ignorant statement. I’m guessing your either young or inexperienced in life.
If you get winded going up a flight of stairs and circle the parking lot at Walmart looking for a spot close to the door, then get in line for the summit. It's so worth it, you'll get so many likes on social media.
I’m thinking the Indian teacher must have had altitude sickness as “normal” individuals would realize that if my 3rd attempt out of base camp I doubled my time (12hrs.) something is seriously wrong. Maybe the Sherpas or a medical team need to be given more jurisdiction as to who can and can not climb.
I have no idea how deposits / full payment works, but think that probably it needs to be looked at as well. Very sad stories and even sadder that the government gives out permits ($$$) to people who have zero business being on the mountain. No permit…..no climb, no medical clearance…..no climb. Napel’s government is indeed greedy as are most.
If it was one of your countries main sources of income you wouldnt care either
Normal individuals also don’t take 12 hours to go a mile, even at that altitude. The fact they let her even attempt to get to camp 1 when her judgement and physical abilities were clearly impaired just above base camp is insane. I know some companies turn away folks not fit enough only to see them on Everest with a less safe company. I fear that’s what happened here.
First asian woman with a pacemaker and a blue shirt to summit everest
Requesting sponsorship please- the first ever climber with a toe ring and belly button stud to summit. It'll be a world first.
Lol!
I lost my coach on Everest in may. 😢 he was experienced and had done other climbs. Heartbreaking and sad but he died doing what he loved
He loved being a moron?
what he loved- freezing to death on the side of a rock?
@@zwan1886 why you gotta be like this
@@Spartan0430 because "he died doing what he loves" is such a vapid thing to say
@@zwan1886vapid comment