Great video capture. You were in the right place, right time. Looks like the lead car is dropping sand from a tube just ahead of the first truck (bogie). Aldo, the train looks empty...what's the purpose for this journey?
They work perfectly fine, but I think these types of third rail operation is more prone to problems due to snow building up on the conducting surface as opposed to most of the third rail operation that we have in my country (all metro systems) where the third rail is about 40-50 cm's up from the ground, covered by a fiberglass cover and has the metro car pick up current from underneath. That way, a train evacuation (though probably happening when current has been switched off) makes you able to step on the rail if needed. Yes, our trains still arc on the overhead wire, it's just a thing that happens, but once they get moving it typically becomes easier for the pantograph to knock off all the ice or snow and get up to speed (along with a higher speed reducing the current draw). With the third-rail kind of setup in the UK there's the problem of the pickup sleeper/wheel (not sure how it's done precisely) having to work through a possible layer of ice, and the return wheels having to do as well...
@@class317 I mean who knows , their not exactly scrapping every old 80s unit just yet . And 90s units like 465s are pretty impressive despite being kinda old....when their actually maintained anyway ,so who knows ...maybe theyll modify it like how other tocs do to some of their trains , other than that your right, I dont wanna see them go😭😭😭but keep strong
@@class317 oh how comes ? New 707s? Apparently their not going ..707s are just for added capacity ..apparently ..idek anymore everyone keeps saying different stuff 🤣🤣
Fairly sure it wasn't, sounds like a condensation valve release to me. I think most of the modern trains would not allow for requesting power while braking...
it makes zero difference as when ice forms on the track it forms an insulating barrier so no matter what u do untill the barrier is melted away getting a stable traction is a task and a half
Nice bit of arc welding!
Train was an empty route proving train or Ghost train. Taken at about 05.45 am.
It must have been the first train of the day as there must have been ice covering the 3rd rail.
That's some serious arcing. mine home was much the same - what time was this at strood?
1974kelvo
yes this was at strood
@@alfies.trains he knows.. he was asking for the time.
ngl, it looked like the early morning, 5-6 am possibly
How embarrassing! Bloody snow, bet the 165 would've started quicker in this instance 😂😂😂
Haha
LMAO 🤣
As you can see, this is 3rd rail.
It's a 465 not 165
I think we might need a rescue loco motive here
preferably a diesel.
This is why diesels are much more reliable in these kind of weather conditions.
I didn't know they was welded to the rails....
did they used a bit of this video on BBC News?
Great video capture. You were in the right place, right time.
Looks like the lead car is dropping sand from a tube just ahead of the first truck (bogie).
Aldo, the train looks empty...what's the purpose for this journey?
Is it a traction or a current issue?
@@semajttam current
All my god 3rd rail
When the spark happen did the light inside the 465 turn off?
Did it make it to Rochester that night?
Never seen it like that before, now thats bad..
they need a little snow plough on for the 3rd rail
They need to grit the snow
What was the other unit with yellow doors on the 465????
Old livery
Electrostars are better for the reason of ice mode
Track sparking
Electric trains don't work in ice or snow third rail or overhead!
They do work in overhead, you'd just get a bunch or arcing.
They work perfectly fine, but I think these types of third rail operation is more prone to problems due to snow building up on the conducting surface as opposed to most of the third rail operation that we have in my country (all metro systems) where the third rail is about 40-50 cm's up from the ground, covered by a fiberglass cover and has the metro car pick up current from underneath. That way, a train evacuation (though probably happening when current has been switched off) makes you able to step on the rail if needed.
Yes, our trains still arc on the overhead wire, it's just a thing that happens, but once they get moving it typically becomes easier for the pantograph to knock off all the ice or snow and get up to speed (along with a higher speed reducing the current draw).
With the third-rail kind of setup in the UK there's the problem of the pickup sleeper/wheel (not sure how it's done precisely) having to work through a possible layer of ice, and the return wheels having to do as well...
Is that a ghost Train
Think we need some over head wires right about now lol
BB- but that means no more 465s unless they get fitted with pantos which is pretty unlikely :(
@@class317 I mean who knows , their not exactly scrapping every old 80s unit just yet . And 90s units like 465s are pretty impressive despite being kinda old....when their actually maintained anyway ,so who knows ...maybe theyll modify it like how other tocs do to some of their trains , other than that your right, I dont wanna see them go😭😭😭but keep strong
@@bb-3653 well, this didn't age well. say goodbye to all the /2s and some /9s
@@class317 oh how comes ? New 707s? Apparently their not going ..707s are just for added capacity ..apparently ..idek anymore everyone keeps saying different stuff 🤣🤣
@@bb-3653 according to this video some of the more unreliable Networkers will be replaced by the 707s.
th-cam.com/video/ByY4zA5IzkY/w-d-xo.html
Seems like a temper tantrum gone wrong
4:00 he used break release? was his brakes on the whole time?
Fairly sure it wasn't, sounds like a condensation valve release to me. I think most of the modern trains would not allow for requesting power while braking...
Hitachi Motors
3rd rail should be abolished fr
How?
use the sander and a higher notch then notch one to get the train moving
Sand isn't applied to the third rail, it is applied to the running rails when slippery not iced over
Put sand on the 3rd rail and you just put an insulator on the conductor rail. Well done.
@@peggy3019 i dident say 3rd rail did i i know sand is not ment for 3rd rail
@@allansheldrake4832 but if you can't take power sand is still no use
Seriously think they need some Japanese Technology ... look what happens in such a small amount of snow. Not very efficient at all.
The traction inverters are Japanese, so in terms of origin it won't make much difference lol
it makes zero difference as when ice forms on the track it forms an insulating barrier so no matter what u do untill the barrier is melted away getting a stable traction is a task and a half
Happens with overhead power as well. I’ve got video of a frosty morning in Melbourne on my TH-cam.