StarCraft 2: Dark's Epic NEW Micro Trick! (ByuN vs Dark)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Top level game of professional StarCraft 2 between Dark (Zerg) and ByuN (Terran). In this match Dark showcases a new micro trick that he has been working on.
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Nice touch, adding players' photos to the introduction. For me with a memory of goldfish, now I can remember who is who.
Yeah, pretty cool!!
Dark's new micro trick is losing 10 Ultras in 5 seconds.
He’s just opening up supply
He did take out the final mining base of the terran with that move and also most of the siege tanks and all the bio army, everything but the ghosts, and they die to banes alone so, idk seems like it was a good play
what if he did the ultra play right after the infester EMP play.. then it actually would have been super sick
@@19oz its hard to time anything around those emp plays, super hard to position, he all inned twice after the emps and both times took bases, dark playing a different game tbh
lol
Ghost is a viable counter to ghost when playing zerg... Noted.
Just neural an scv a few times to build a cc and tech up to ghosts duh
I’m prepared to die on the hill that Ghost is the highest skill cap unit, and has the most utility in any non-TVT matchup.
Though technically could have utility to emp Ravens and Medivacs.
19:32 and 26:18 for the trick
and 29:17 and 30:31
Man, Dark sending all of those ultras to take out the last mining base was one of those Bobby Fischer queen sacrifice-type moves. Absolutely brilliant.
Ahh, a man of culture.
Actually, Dark did a similar move against Zest some time ago. He stole one of his HTs and used Feedback against all of the others. Won inmediatly after that.
I remember Dark once stole a disruptor and purified all the HTs.
It really feels like Terran needs some of their power redistributed away from Ghosts (at least vs. Zerg and Protoss) and put somewhere else. They are practically essential in the late game against both and have so much utility it's bananas.
yeah, ghosts just seem to be such a dumb uni. fantastic against anything big and expensive, great against spellcasters, can still shoot and run well against weak shit. what does that leave?
also irritating how some units just flat out arent playable against a certain race, like ultralisks. seems like awful design to me.
I mean, if they essentially nuked infestors, they should do the same to ghosts.
Without ghosts how would terran handle lurker viper hydra?
@@johnhenryiii3070 as op said, that power should be distributed to some place else. so theyd still handle it with ghosts and some other stuff. just not as easily as theyre doing it with ghosts right now
@@johnhenryiii3070 It's not the player's responsibility to come up with good balance. As it stands now Ghosts with some good micro seem to completely break the game, even in a game such as this, where Zerg "should" have won 10 minutes earlier by being more active, acting more cleverly, keeping the Terran constantly contained, etc.
If it means we need a new unit or a new spell in the game to combat something that completely breaks the balance, well, then that's what it takes. Even if it's just replacing the Ghost's AOE ability with a targeted or small radius silence with long range, perhaps. Keep the Snipe, but reduce the damage by a lot. It's effectively just in the game as an anti Zerg (and Templar) counter. Fungal used to completely immobilize enemies. Ultras used to be good at some point. But Ghosts? Ghosts shut down everything Zerg has basically. Maybe Nydus worms could be reworked. Zerg shouldn't "win" in a straight up battle, but by being able to replace their army quicker, by being able to attack quickly on different parts of the map, by coming at you from different angles with quickly changing unit compositions, but if the answer for Terran is just "build Ghosts", then that makes for very boring games. On a pro level at least.
Reminds me of this one game Serral played on Lightshade where he neuraled one high templar in a group and instantly feedbacked all the others then finished it off with a storm on the whole group, killing all but the one he stole (as it had no feedback damage).
gosh, I'd love a link to that :D
I remember that game!
That game was really close all the way through! Loved it!! Those traitor Ghost EMPs were not only badass but also devastating. The army supply that had the longest lifespan for Byun were Ghosts and Medivacs most of the time. So those traitor EMPs were often massive!! Plus Dark was sending an army into the Ghost clump most of the time immediately after he pulled it off to capitalize on that trick to the max. That was sweet!
27:02 and the dog guarding the CC, ready for battle
That game is hot. It's been a while since I saw something new in SC 2
ghosts against zerg is the most op thing in sc2 ever how did this game even go for so long lmao
Hello everyone and welcome back to another professional match of Starr Craftt Too.
Lowko go to a video you made 8 months ago and you will hear the best noise ever in the first 5 seconds
Yo those snipes at the planetary against the ultras was the sickest thing ever
that was some in game cutscene shit
Maan those emps were amazing but ghosts really need a tweak vs ultras, snipe should do less damage to ultras with plating because it kida defeats the purpose of the armor upgrade
Ultras need some kind of buff or something. Every other late game unit on all 3 races are at least situationally used in high level gameplay, but Ultras are almost never.
@@VinayKapadiaVK Ultras seem to only really be used at the top in ZvP to help clean up the HTs under Skytoss. Agreed that they need some sort of buff
And you should nerf infestors and vipers too
It's really as simple as the ability doing less damage to massive units and bam, Ghosts no longer counter literally all of Zerg's endgame units.
@@Shadowlyger a sniper shouldn't be able to shoot down a tank or a bomber.
I don't think many of your viewers Lowko get your Sabaton Ghost Division joke. As a Sabaton fan, I approve sir :D
They are the Terran Elite, born to compete, never retreat, Ghost Division!
Duuude this was so cool! I can't really bring myself to try too hard at this game, but it's still awesome seeing how well people play and how cool all these different battles in different positions can be!
I often listen to casts in the shower getting ready in the morning so I really appreciate how loud your max volume is. Many other videos are hard to hear with the background of the shower.
Are you sure Dark don’t have like 6 arms Lowko?
24:41 - 24:47, I guess no one is going to notice that awesome micro: some ultras to the right of the CC were trying to focus attack the ghosts, but couldn't, because the SCVs had surrounded and trapped them.
That dog seems waay too chill in the Zerg base... You'd think critters would panic and run from Zerg
at 15:30 you can see Byun has put some hats on the supply depots, don't see that often in pro games. Interesting.
The Fury reference was clean
Damn that’s an intense game and really like the neural to ghost even if some felt useless as he didn’t have/use the opportunity to do anything meaningful
@15:20 “He is trading out units (lurkers, infesters, ravagers) and replacing them with higher tier ones. (Ling/Bane transition.) lmao. Zerg is so weird.
I am more of a watcher than player and following your vids and streams a lot, been 4 years now i think, can't afford to donate so that sucks, but i am so glad you casted this game
this match kinda reignited the passion for the game
those Ghosts on the Ultras was insane...
Just like the best Zerg late game unit, is THOR
When those ultras ran in and died i just cant help but wonder what that would have looked like with 72 more lings and some more banes.
"at 3am thinking about nice things in life..." that killing joke :)()
Snipes are OP
Wow, I can't believe this is where SC2 is at today. I remember when I first stumbled onto it years ago and I was impressed then! Love your casts dude, keep it up.
Ghosts are currently so op units
man im not a pro or something but that ghost stand over ultra is sick.... could it be unbalanced?
definitely looks imba
24:39 a muraders corpse flies across the screen
really enjoying the new maps :)
great game, really enjoying games being really interesting again
woah this game is amazing!
So, I've been watching diligently... Aren't ghosts a bit too powerful?
What is the rational against ravens? Zerg has Overseers with its army at all time as well, saving on scans also means you can drop more miningmashines.
Maybe because they're slow and get picked off easily, especially "all army moving", while a scan is just replenishable energy and covers a wide radius at any place on the map. Yeah, you could drop more mules, and maybe that would make sense. Mine out those bases faster, so you can move on to the next and starve your opponent.
If I recall correctly, byun was the first terran to start the Mass CC build.
This game was insane. This was a great game by both players.
Not yet watched the game but think I got it from the thumbnail - yank a siege tank and immediately neural it to use it against bio
Not sure if pays off as much as just killing it but will take a look at it :D
I announce my Zerg bias but I think z v t would be more fun if ghosts weren’t the counter to everything.
Lowko has a picture of that hero infester on his bedside table
Byun is gonna get snypers nerfed. That game was from dark for like 15 mins earlier
What a game!!!! Fantastic moves.from.both but this emp ghost is insane
heyy another BuyN game! Thanks Lowko, Dark did some cool moves too!
Since he got all ghosts clamped up.
Dark IS the Swarm! he was everywhere omg
Ghosts really need a look at
Emp medivacs is extremely underrated. I do it everyday in 4v4s. And it gives you a couple free medivac kills each time during a fight
2160p60 quality 👌You don't see that too often.
Thank you for explaining things
Dang nice game
I almost thought it was time to go to sleep
To infinity...and BYUN!
man dark was styling in this game
Maybe next time EMP the ghosts first, THEN send the 12 ultras?
I remember a time when it wasn't "steady targetting" but "snipe" and instantly activated when you used the ability. THOSE were the days when terran was abusively op.
This was like "They are billions".
What a game. The true Zerg swarm
Happy holiday lowko!!!
So my question @lowkoTV is how does someone micro ghosts perfectly in a circle around the neuraled one at 26:19? Just how? If you're able to perfectly micro that, why not just kill the neuraled ghost
Ohhhhhh that ghost neural...
Lowkotv Love your intro.
1minute in: i like the idea of putting pictures of the Pros in when you're introducing them!
PS: why did you change the layout of the menu some time ago?
7:13 can we give changelings a name too? Like carl the changeling :D
thanks lowko
Are you not able to see the burrow shadow as opponent anymore???
Winfestors are back again!!!!
26:20 even though he still got hit, that's some insane reaction time splitting his ghosts like that
Yeah.... honestly, a bit too perfect... perfect circle? The amount of apm required to do that instead of attacking the neuraled ghost? I'm no conspiracy theorist, but that micro seemed really, really fishy to me...
Snipe needs to cost more energy
Edit: much more
Awesome game
Wait a second! Isn't Zerg vs Terran imbalanced now?
Yes.
new trick from dark? sign me the FUCK UP
Okay scince when does sc2 have a dog critter? 1:54 right above the spawning pool.
Would Dark have won the fight if he made zerglings and banelings instead of 12 ultras? 🤔🤔🤔
Could zerg go above 200 supply using the spore trick?
yes! i don't get it why is it never used? is it considered bad manner?
@@davidstud3952 wow, if I played zerg I'd use it every game!
It takes a huge amount of micro for very little payoff. You'll probably end up losing something around 30 minerals per supply (partially because of the loss from cancelling, and partially because of lost mining time), and it takes too much focus to micro your army at the same time as doing it for any more than a few supply so if anything is actually happening at the same time (which it almost always is) you're in a lot of trouble.
It can also never give more supply than you have in drones, and because you're using those drones for the spore trick they aren't mining, so you really may as well just suicide your drones instead if you wanted more supply in your army since they aren't doing anything other than waste resources while you're doing the spore trick anyway..
The trick with neural 19:35
HELLO LOWKO, MY NAME IS EVERYONE!
It's time to nerf those ghosts!!!
This game felt like Dark was either really toying with his food or was really trying to lose. It feels like those ultras he sent after the planetary were mostly useless. Like getting highly educated engineer to tighten a bolt, and then shooting him once he's done so. He had such a huge bank that got absolutely obliterated by steady targeting, while the ultras were going after the planetary. I don't know if it was a misplay or what but it seemed like impatience to me. Dark wasn't trading great but he had access to so many more resources than ByuN that he would eventually have just too much for ByuN to handle, with his last bastion of ghosts..
Wait what, units dont attack parasited allies?!
wouldnt fungals and paras have been much more efficient in the last minutes then the emp trick?
Still want the original intro
so beautiful...
Ghosts are OP af, it's a joke that he was able to stay in the game that long getting outmacroed that heavily. They need to severely decrease snipe range or decrease movement speed.
If you can give Tanks the damage they had in BroodWar, then you dont need Ghost Snipe much. As things stand, Tanks SUCKS against lategame units and Ghost is the only counter for them.
Nah.. either of those would render ghosts practically unusable, as they couldn't escape banelings, for exampe. Lurkers have as much range, with seismic spines, as the ghosts steady targeting. getting the ghosts in even closer than Terran already does would make it impossible to even cast Steady Targeting as the ability is interrupted if the ghost takes damage.
Ghosts can be OP, if used properly. Ghosts can also be pretty useless if you let them get hit by a few banes or surrounded with lings.. Ghosts are indeed quite good but they can be countered. Ling-bane counters ghosts..
In fairness, zerg outmacroing terran is kind of just how the matchup goes (when it doesn't end early anyway). Terran basically never outmacros zerg at the pro level, when games go to the lategame it's always like that.
I'm am not on these players level (and do not pretend to be) but I have to wonder... if you are a zerg player who is supply maxed on roach ravenger, why would you not want to skirmish the crap out of your army while tech'ing/researching into an end game army that can be insta-built after a losing all in? Full hydra/lurker replacement after suiciding 200 supply of wreckage?
1) Because they just wouldn't do much damage if you suicided all of them into a fortified position. They aren't as valuable as other units. but you still don't want to lose them for nothing.
2) It still takes time to create a new army and rally all of them - in that time the opponent will kill 2-3 bases if you have nothing left to defend yourself with.
3) They rarely actually have the resources to create an entirely new army at once. Even if they have some resources in the bank, it's not like it's enough to create an entire army at once.
dark is a monster
Rlly cant understand why no ravens
Try to control a late game army with the Raven, and then try to keep them alive long enough, you will see.
Yes Sabaton. Always yes to Sabaton.
Team B Y U N
Serral did the same move, but not that effective (his opponent scanned every possible spot for his infestors)
How do you know when Ghost is Op.... When zerg uses ghost to ghost the ghosts..... ffs
Byun’s early game is flawless. Amazing to watch.
Emp mvp
I vote you should be able to snipe battle cruisers. Itd take about 7 shots and itd act as if the ghosts sniping 7 different pilots
Okay, Byun played like a champ! But totally deserved to lose for not making a raven after the second EMP on his ghosts. Jeez!
Easy, Champ.... Some people haven't watched the video yet.
I would’ve made a raven after the first one
@@PartiedOutPhil why are you reading before watching?? XD
@@PartiedOutPhil why tf would you read comments before watching the video 🤣
@@-mako-6018 they are literally in front of my eyes as I watch... Are you blind?
Of course Sabaton!
So I did hear him say Sabaton. Damn didn't know Lowko is a man of culture. LOVE IT
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