I feel like doomkin is super important in the mirror match so I don't know if its worth the cut, if you run the 7/6 zillax instead of the small 4/3 one then that can be a hit as well so you never miss with loken anyways
@@just_a_joke1 To keep your opponent from using the wheel, or to keep them from using loken or their own doomkins etc. It also keeps them from their board clears so you can develop 15/15s with forges and get lethal since they can't afford to sargeras or twisting
Most of the time Doomkin is a rock on hand and a struggle for Loken when not agaisnt mirror. I don't think is frequent enough to put it in agaisnt the field it faces. And even in the mirror, you need to draw it first, there will be times when you will draw it faster than the enemy.
@@TheSilverwolf97 Yeah, these guys are missing the point completely. If both players have doomkin in hand, it's literally a coin flip at the start of the game on who plays him first. The issue arises when you don't actually draw the Wheel after playing said Doomkin - that's why this deck is a huge improvement to the previous iterations of the deck since now you have better % of having Wheel by turn 8.
Yeah, mage is barely above 50% win rate and is unfair when the unfairness of the armor gain is directly influenced by the attack of the minions you can summon...
I can understand all but the furnace. Does it really give much of an advantage considering it can also be a +6 or +15 fatigue damage if it get's destroyed by Wheel? Haven't played it yet, so dunno how offen these situations occur
I played the original list you made a video about and I felt that the doomkin were just too slow and hitting it with Loken felt bad so I cut it after a couple matches, this list looks much faster though so that’s good.
Been very unlucky with this deck. When I play it, I always que into plague DK. They always drop Halya on turn 4 and add more plagues when I play Wheel....
It might seem at first that DK counters Warlock, but in reality Warlock is the one who sets the pace of the game in the match-up. It's actually a huge missplay to play Halya on turn 4 since you can answer that by using Wheel on turn 8 to get rid of all plagues. Good DKs save Halya for your Wheel to threaten you with a lot of damage once you have no cards - for that save Symphony/Weapon/Choose to not play Wheel at all (they don't have much removal). Basically, try to draw as much cards as possible without taking a lot of damage and keep threatening his face with big damage demons - you should be good.
@@jingtroc23 It literally doesn't. You usually want the consistency over the health but you're forced to put it to not get out valued by midrange. Lol up any Renethal dekc that has been meta and it will be midrange or midrange-control hybrid.
I'm guessing people didn't like what I said about wheel bit I stand by it. Wheel isn't the problem. Yes it should be fixed in the way fuel shouldn't work like that and the turns should end on your opponents turn but it's not wheel that's the problem with the deck it's forge. Wheel is just a otk card that tells your opponent exactly when you will pop off. Most wheel decks never win with wheel it's forge
I just beat a Shopper DH with Wheel Warlock. He got me down to 2 health but I had just enough healing to run him out of resources and win. The taste of his salty tears was exquisite.
Wheel of DEATH is a problem, and here's why: It's nice that we have a control deck, but it counters all other control decks and is an automatic give-up for control players. It's a complete shut-off! The card is also non-interactive, which makes it that much worse. I'm happy for you and all the other people who have fun playing wheel but for me as a control player who doesn't want to play this deck, there is no fun.
Actually right now there are 3 different control (warrior, dk, lock) so, not really. Simply control decks need a wincon and can't be sitting doing nothing like old ones.
I defintely think it needs a slight tuning, not a nerf, but an adjustment to be sure. Changing Reno to start of deck would fix sooo many issues now, and for future decks that would exploit the card.
You can run two copies of anubisath, but if not just pray that they don't have umpire's grasp on three. You can still win without anubisath with forge of wills into pact, then endgame. I still have a 50% wr against them without anubisath in legend.
Zeddy. You just asked yesterday for feedback. Did you seriously makes us watch this completely useless first game? What was there to watch apart of an opponent who did nothing and roped? Common..
LOOOL this dude whining about mage being unfair is insane. Reverb is the only card that can beat any forge of wills play, the freeze minion just delays the damage. You can easily win by turn 5 if they don't find a reverb in time. Warlock is way more unfair this rotation.
@@mikesaladguy7862 I've played against Miracle Rogue yesterday. His board was empty turn 3 and then he had 8/8 8/8 3/4 4/4 4/3(divine shielded) on turn 4. Go ahead, boy, unleash your "endless removal and stalling" XD! DH has 70+% winrate against Wheelock, all the Tier 2 aggro decks have 60+% winrate against it. What a masterpiece of an unbeatable deck indeed LUL
If we only bitch about one deck then that one gets nerfed and then another rises up with no counters. Look at the paly situation and now we're in a worst spot.
Ok, this deck is terrible, because furnace fuel DOES activate when you play wheel AND it draws plagues before they're destroyed, which means your deck isnt empty if they've played Helya. Auto-lose against plague DK. Garbage card.
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I feel like doomkin is super important in the mirror match so I don't know if its worth the cut, if you run the 7/6 zillax instead of the small 4/3 one then that can be a hit as well so you never miss with loken anyways
What's the point of Doomkin if you don't draw the Wheel?
What’s the point of the wheel if your opponent plays it first?
@@just_a_joke1 To keep your opponent from using the wheel, or to keep them from using loken or their own doomkins etc. It also keeps them from their board clears so you can develop 15/15s with forges and get lethal since they can't afford to sargeras or twisting
Most of the time Doomkin is a rock on hand and a struggle for Loken when not agaisnt mirror. I don't think is frequent enough to put it in agaisnt the field it faces. And even in the mirror, you need to draw it first, there will be times when you will draw it faster than the enemy.
@@TheSilverwolf97 Yeah, these guys are missing the point completely. If both players have doomkin in hand, it's literally a coin flip at the start of the game on who plays him first. The issue arises when you don't actually draw the Wheel after playing said Doomkin - that's why this deck is a huge improvement to the previous iterations of the deck since now you have better % of having Wheel by turn 8.
Dude thinks that mage's freeze is unfair. Summoning 12/12 every turn XD
Yeah, mage is barely above 50% win rate and is unfair when the unfairness of the armor gain is directly influenced by the attack of the minions you can summon...
Why were people not running Endgame before? I had this in my Wheel Deck since day one!!!
@32:25 you had said the correct line-up; tap-->Wheel would've prevented fatiguing so quickly.
I found myself reviving sergaras a lot of times, you can actually buff your imps after he died once
using the mining jaraxxus skin for this deck theme is so awesome! He's the fastest deck miner there is
I can understand all but the furnace. Does it really give much of an advantage considering it can also be a +6 or +15 fatigue damage if it get's destroyed by Wheel? Haven't played it yet, so dunno how offen these situations occur
I played the original list you made a video about and I felt that the doomkin were just too slow and hitting it with Loken felt bad so I cut it after a couple matches, this list looks much faster though so that’s good.
Been very unlucky with this deck. When I play it, I always que into plague DK. They always drop Halya on turn 4 and add more plagues when I play Wheel....
Save Symphony to counter Plague top decks and save the weapon for the times when you do top deck that
How is it unlucky if you played the worst possible way?!
It might seem at first that DK counters Warlock, but in reality Warlock is the one who sets the pace of the game in the match-up.
It's actually a huge missplay to play Halya on turn 4 since you can answer that by using Wheel on turn 8 to get rid of all plagues. Good DKs save Halya for your Wheel to threaten you with a lot of damage once you have no cards - for that save Symphony/Weapon/Choose to not play Wheel at all (they don't have much removal).
Basically, try to draw as much cards as possible without taking a lot of damage and keep threatening his face with big damage demons - you should be good.
What deck tracker are you using
why is furnace fuel even included when it has such bad synergy with wheel?
what add-on do you use that says what to keep? thanks
I agree. I also used wheelock to get to legend without the doomkins
Fanottem? I haven't even heard o' ttem!
get out
What's the name of overlay you use to see mulligan stats for cards?
firestone premium
@@mathiaswiemann452 thanks bro
@@mathiaswiemann452isn't it HSReplay decktracker?
Yea the endgame was a must card that I was thinking of putting into the wheel deck,
Bring back renothal to help control decks survive
Renathal would help against Wheelock?
@@MachinegunnerMugZ obviously not
@@jingtroc23Renathal didn't veen help control much it's mostly for midrange
@@lettucebob7395 yes it did, and is why it was one of the most popular cards in HS history.
@@jingtroc23 It literally doesn't. You usually want the consistency over the health but you're forced to put it to not get out valued by midrange. Lol up any Renethal dekc that has been meta and it will be midrange or midrange-control hybrid.
You should try this in deck in wild ranked with drakkari, it's absurd ;)
I'm guessing people didn't like what I said about wheel bit I stand by it. Wheel isn't the problem. Yes it should be fixed in the way fuel shouldn't work like that and the turns should end on your opponents turn but it's not wheel that's the problem with the deck it's forge. Wheel is just a otk card that tells your opponent exactly when you will pop off. Most wheel decks never win with wheel it's forge
I played around with this version of the deck but I found imposing inubaseth feels more consistent compared to endgame.
I just beat a Shopper DH with Wheel Warlock. He got me down to 2 health but I had just enough healing to run him out of resources and win. The taste of his salty tears was exquisite.
I always lose to wheel lock playing dh. Deck has too many big boys to get through.
@@xirogsthat is very good to know. Well deserved.
You're both undeniably playing insufferable decks.
@@ImLootGoblin Nah Shopper is way worse. You literally play a card and roll a slot machine to win. There's no nuance to the deck.
@@thehaymaker3660 Whatever helps you sleep at night. 🤣
Funny cause its wheelock but the wheel did no work at all in those matches..
Wheel of DEATH is a problem, and here's why:
It's nice that we have a control deck, but it counters all other control decks and is an automatic give-up for control players. It's a complete shut-off! The card is also non-interactive, which makes it that much worse. I'm happy for you and all the other people who have fun playing wheel but for me as a control player who doesn't want to play this deck, there is no fun.
Womp womp
Actually right now there are 3 different control (warrior, dk, lock) so, not really. Simply control decks need a wincon and can't be sitting doing nothing like old ones.
control decks need a "counter spell"
I defintely think it needs a slight tuning, not a nerf, but an adjustment to be sure.
Changing Reno to start of deck would fix sooo many issues now, and for future decks that would exploit the card.
@@RawDealCo but reno is a battlecry
Not sure why they keep printing uninteractive warlock win cons. Snake wasnt fun, wheel isnt fun.
He really does “stay salty” 😂
it just did get better!
I cut the doomkin a couple weeks ago. Not surprised other people have caught on.
Should try this in wild with drakari
That could be a card name, ‘Get a bigger Demon’.
it turns out "win the game" is a strong piece of text
It don't say that.
@@djharris6822*doesnt
@@Ocarus0Cycle you got me.
It literally does. Just another uninteractable warlock wincon@@djharris6822
Keep up the good work Zeddy
How to deal against dh? No freezing elemental
Ain't worth trying beat DH with this deck. Horrendously unfavorable matchup.
You can run two copies of anubisath, but if not just pray that they don't have umpire's grasp on three. You can still win without anubisath with forge of wills into pact, then endgame. I still have a 50% wr against them without anubisath in legend.
Took y’all long enough to climb out from behind the 8-ball with this one
Warlock did it again, breaking the game non stop with giants ,demons and ILLEGAL one card win the game ,ez claps ye...bROokEn
I refuse to believe that theres actually a good WoD deck running two copies of furnace fuel
1st opponent looke like severly lagging, sadge ;/
You didn't use wheel a single time
Zeddy. You just asked yesterday for feedback.
Did you seriously makes us watch this completely useless first game?
What was there to watch apart of an opponent who did nothing and roped? Common..
i´m currently 18:3 84% with my version of wheel lock ridicolous it need a buff XD
Mind sharing your list?
You need white balance on that camera/webcam 😎
This deck is stupid op. Dh Loses if it doesn't have weapon on 3.
What kind of dumpster player don't have DH weapon turn 3?! Instant uninstall advised XD
@@MachinegunnerMugZwhat kind of dumpster player doesn't draw a card which is random?? Are you being for real?
Feel kinda baited this isn’t even lock with wheel
He's using wheel of death?
in standard *
No. You dont play the weapon on turn 1. Bad misplay
You absolutely can do it if you're with a coin and your opponent started with a 2/2 oil minion or 2/1 mech
@@Kassadin10 true.
LOOOL this dude whining about mage being unfair is insane. Reverb is the only card that can beat any forge of wills play, the freeze minion just delays the damage. You can easily win by turn 5 if they don't find a reverb in time. Warlock is way more unfair this rotation.
That Sif mage played so so poorly wth
Amount of stats warlocks can push out early on is actually insane. Realllllly don't like facing this deck.
You've never faced Miracle Rogue clearly if you're impressed with Warlock early stats.
Great, so this is the meta now for at least a year. Instawin, zero thought Wheel Warlock. Great, LOL.
I mean you can counter it with miracle rogue or any aggro. It will never be Tier 1 deck anyway.
@@MachinegunnerMugZ No, you cant. It has unlimited removal and stalling.
@@mikesaladguy7862 I've played against Miracle Rogue yesterday. His board was empty turn 3 and then he had 8/8 8/8 3/4 4/4 4/3(divine shielded) on turn 4. Go ahead, boy, unleash your "endless removal and stalling" XD! DH has 70+% winrate against Wheelock, all the Tier 2 aggro decks have 60+% winrate against it. What a masterpiece of an unbeatable deck indeed LUL
This man is bitching about every deck he plays blob
It's Hearthstone in 2024. Everyone who doesn't bitch to cope with the game's nonsense stopped playing ages ago.
If we only bitch about one deck then that one gets nerfed and then another rises up with no counters. Look at the paly situation and now we're in a worst spot.
imagine playing WoD then crying about every other deck archetype... are you for real? lol
The deck has counters
this is zeddys style... He always does this i think uts funny😊
Ahh yes, the best deck in the game , wheel of death
@@DjVerse100 what about 60%+ wr demon hunters making most of high legend decks?
Dh Loses if it doesn't have weapon on 3.
Ok, this deck is terrible, because furnace fuel DOES activate when you play wheel AND it draws plagues before they're destroyed, which means your deck isnt empty if they've played Helya. Auto-lose against plague DK. Garbage card.
Complaining about not interesting game play while playing the most uninteractive deck in the meta
No that would be nature shaman
@@djharris6822 this guy gets it
this deck is worthless past rank 5
This deck is just extremely unhealthy I can't wait for it to get nerfed to oblivion
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