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Because its never really confirmed in the songs, the musical fits the legend, he drops the baby from the walls of the city.
*underworld spoiler* i didnt know the legend and i think the reveal in Monster is much more effective when its left ambiguous
@@Rcmkney23 He is mentioned at feeling guilty all throughout the musical about this and it was confirmed by the writer after the first saga came out.
It is confirmed by the musical too:
SPOILER
"And if I'm gonna drop another infant from the wall in an instant so we all won't die?!"
@@Rcmkney23If you watch the play I’m sure you’d know this by the end of this song because the Cyclops Saga in general and specifically Athena’s songs don’t fully make sense unless you knew he killed the baby. Because the whole reason he tries to be more peaceful is in major part a reaction to him killing the baby here. He struggles with that decision and countering said decision throughout the rest of the Sagas so far.
I love how the line “when does a man become a monster?” applies to both the baby and Odysseus. For the baby, it’s a ticking time bomb for how long it will take for the baby to exact his revenge if he’s kept alive. For Odysseus, he’s contemplating if/when he kills the baby, does that make him a monster?
Also, the baby was dropped from the walls of Troy, and the men chanting are his soldiers.
Fun fact: when Odysseus, Eurylochus, or some other MORTAL character sings, their background vocals HAVE to be coming from a tangible source in the scene. So when the chanting comes in the end of this song, those have to be coming from his soldiers. Gods however, (Zeus, Poseidon, Athena, etc) don’t have to follow this rule.
Shhhh! They don't know of Poseidon yet!
@@Kamarovsky_KCM Poseidon isn’t in Epic, I was just listing gods as examples
@@mordread_rising401 *Cough* Ruthlessness *cough*
@@MrMirza86I'm...pretty sure they are aware Poseidon actually is in Epic, they're just saying that to avoid spoiling, but I guess that doesn't matter now.
@@mordread_rising401 Ah, right obviously. As we know, the only God that shows up is Wet Hades
Fun fact: all of the characters in this musical have their own instrument, so that guitar you mentioned is Odysseus’s. In scenes when he’s fighting and being a soldier, it’s an electric guitar, but in a song like this when he’s being vulnerable, it’s acoustic
Just a Man is like the most important song in all epic because It's referred to in every saga at least once 😄
Jorge has said each character has their own instrument. Odysseus’ is a guitar. It’s an electric guitar when he is cunning, and a nylon guitar when he’s vulnerable.
As someone else already said Astyanax (the baby) wasn't killed by a sword but rather dropped from a wall
In some version Neoptolemus--everyone's favorite psychopath--used Astyanax as a club to bash King Priam and killed them both that way.
@@SantosoWijaya Yes, but I didn't mention it, because it's irrelevant for Epic's version of the story
@@SantosoWijayaI’m sorry that happens?? 😭🙏
Im so psyched for this. Their first reaction was awesome. Someone whos familiar with the odyssey and one who isnt. It makes for fun reactions and insights.
If youre interested in watching the reaction of someone familiar with the odyssey, the vtuber suno shecano has reacted up to thunder as of now. His initial reaction to troy and cyclops was to a series of animations with…debatable qualities, but he has a background in music(and a professional musician im p sure) so he mostly focuses on the musical aspects.
"When does a man become a monster" is probably the biggest theme in Epic and this is one of the most beloved songs in the community.
8:46 I'll make this even more possibly heartbreaking for you, he didn't even sign up to join the war ever. He was forced to come along, he was happy and content to stay home with his wife and kid
Well bit of a fun fact actually in this musical all the mortal characters if they have back ground vocals they have to be diegetic meaning they have to exsist in the world so the chanting at the end there is his soliders are joining him in that question of when does a man become a monster the gods are the only ones who can break the rules of this so they can have their own back ground vocals whenever they please
FYI - Jorge goes by Jay! Thank you for using the Official Concept Music!! Jay does receive money this way.
Love the reactions and I am sure your aware but from the third Saga on there are alot of animated videos of it! (Anniflamma, Wolfythewitch, Gwendy and more have them!) the first two (Troy and Cyclops) just don’t due to these being the rerecorded versions, though they likely will before long cuz the epic fandom works fast lol.
Guys, if you are impress on this lyrics wait till you leason furder and you reach I'm a monster rwarr rwarr rwarr
i love your reactions
Thank you so much for using the re-recordings. I know some people may be more fond of the originals, but this really helps Jorge!
I would recommend checking out animatics once you finish each saga, so you get to experience only the music first. I would recommend Gigi’s animatics for the first two songs, though it’s using the original songs.
Love your reaction, especially the dynamic of one person knowing the Odyssey, and one who’s not too familiar with it!
Also, Just a Man is definitely in my top five in the musical!
This song is ripe for philosophical musings, from "what would I do in this case" to "when DOES a comet become a meteor actually," but another important one is "what constitutes a proper apology?"
In other words: our currently unnamed main character is saying "forgive me" (demand for absolution, without even a please!) and "I'm just a man" (justification, denial of responsibility), all while he's doing the thing anyway. So should they count as an apology? In the circumstances, what would?
(Also great reactions guys, I'm enjoying them a lot!)
Also the question of whether any kind of apology would be a "proper" one, when it's for something the gods have basically ordered you to do with no real choice. Can you truly apologise for something you'd do every time, no matter how many times you could repeat that exact situation? Or would it just be empty words.
Reaction(s) plural?
This is a joke i dont mean to be an assholr
@@BiTreeFrog they're ahead on Patreon :)
In Ancient Greece an apology was "a speech in defense of one's own self." "I'm just a man" falls into that definition of apology, even if it doesn't meet modern standards.
@@shadowcatX2000 I'm not speaking ancient Greek here.
Just because the word means something different doesn't mean they didn't have a way to 1) admit responsibility and 2) express regret, even if it was called something else. So given that someone DOES say "I'm sorry" later, I'd say modern standards apply.
Y’all really need to watch the animatics, especially Gigi’s art. The symbolism in their videos brings out the impact these songs have on Odysseus
10:00 That wasn'y even one of the lines, you just inferred that. LIKE A BOSS!
Love all your insights! Definitely looking forwards to you two reacting to more of this musical. c:
I imagine somebody has already suggested watching the animatics made by tons of people. If you plan to watch through them, as I do with many reacters, I will warn you that sometimes the animatics aren't completed. Each song currently has at least one fully released animatic that covers the entire song (Outside of the Thunder Saga), but the most often watched playlists for some reason all have half-finished animatics in them. I would suggest you ask somebody somewhere for a playlist that might work well, so you don't get to watch unfinished music/animation.
Because you're listening to the rerelease of the Troy Saga, I will also note that while Jorge does want people to listen to the rereleases, he does not discourage folks from watching videos/animatics with the old Troy or Cyclops saga music. As long as you're enjoying what you're hearing, Jorge supports it.
Im so excited for these reactions. Highly recommend watching the whole sagas again from the start with animatics once you finish your way through them.
This is so cool. I love how you both seem to be picturing it in different ways (different to how I do as well!) it just goes to show how much music can affect everyone differently... #HerdLove
This song is so pretty and sad at the same time😭
I’m really loving the way you hype each other up for these songs. It really is an epic musical and I’m enjoying you discovering it.
fun fact: each character (minus a few of the gods, since the gods have different rules) have their own instrument! so that violin in the background of this song, i think, represents penelope, as every time violin is present, odysseus is thinking or singing about her! i don't want to spoil the other characters' instruments, however.
I think someone said that Penelope’s instrument was a viola, but I could be wrong about that
@@b_w_j oh, viola and not violin? i knew it was some kind of stringed instrument that sounds like a violin, but i wasn't completely sure which. i just thought it was a violin 😅
@@mc_fan_1395 I'm about 90% sure it's a viola. Spoilers for sagas 4 and 7
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Circe's instrument is a violin and/or string ensemble, specifically her theme is the introduction of "Done For," the part that sounds like the Flower Duet opera song. I'm also pretty sure Ares' music is primarily on violin as well, though so far it's only been in his part of God Games and may not be significant enough to count as "his instrument," but the other Olympians in that song all have distinct instruments or musical styles which I doubt is an accident, so Ares' violin and snare drum are surely meant to be "his" instruments.
This song actually got very popular and was spread through tiktok on the edit and animation community so it was a nice way to gather a community and this wasn’t the only one but I won’t spoil of course 💜
One of the best things about this Song as our dear boy Ody struggles with the idea of Man becoming Monster by Killing the infant, There is also an amazing Duality because its also discussing when does a Child become a Monster. Because Ody will be a horrific monster if he slays this child, But he himself has been told by the Gods that if this Child lives, He will become consumed with Hate and burn his entire Island down whilst butchering him, his wife and his son.
So theres this beautiful twisting "Which Sin is Worse" if any at all, Over if the Man who kills a child to stop them from becoming a monster is a monster, Or if the Child that will then one day grow up and then genocide his people, Will be the Monster. Which plays into that lovely tone of inevitability of Greek Tales, where there is only the path to the same end result no chance to escape it.
Jorge is amazing! I don’t know what he can’t do! He can sing, write, and compose!!!
Love how into this you are both getting... I am so glad that you both got to experience this together.... So good!!!
im not sure if it was mentioned in the last video or this one's comments, but odysseus is played by the guy who wrote EPIC
Aaa can't wait for you to see more of EPIC 💙💛💙
late, but holy cow, WolfytheWitch's animatic for this one hits HARD
From what I've read and previewed on the upcoming tracks it seems that the central theme of the story is Odysseus' descent into becoming a monster and how he won't be the same man she once loved.
You both are so perceptive and pick up on so much nuance so quickly! Also I have never noticed the shift in tonality between the inner reflection vs addressing the infant, that’s a brilliant observation. I’m excited you’re thinking of doing the whole thing!!
Great reaction the musical has a couple of themes when does a man become a monster is one and ill tell you the other when we get to it.
It’s always so fun to see people getting into this masterpiece of a musical, I shall watch your career with great interest 💜
I recommend that after you finished troy saga you watch the animatics and it will help you put into perspective what's going on and help you answer some questions that may arise.
People have mentioned this already, but basically, whenever it's a mortal character (Like Odysseus) singing, any background vocals are diagetic (as in they are actually being sung by people in the background, if i'm using that term corectly), so the chanting your talking about is actually coming from his men in the courtyard below; whenever it's a god singing, the background vocals are *not* diagetic
15:13 In reality, at this moment, he's holding the infant over the edge of a building, rather than bearing down with a knife :]
I have tried watching Hamilton multiple times, but haven't been able to, Epic the musical I have listened multiple times and cried, it's so amazing
You’re in for a treat with this musical
YEEEEEEEESSSSS!! I love both of your reactions to this amazing project!!!
you guys slay so much ❤
I would definitely recommend reacting to these songs with the animatics.
*me perking up at Henry the V reference* MY KIND OF NERD. ONCE MORE INTO THE BREACH DEAR FRIENDS ONCE MORE. OR CLOSE THE WALL UP WITH OUR ENGLISH DEAD!!!
This will take SO long, there are 25 songs already and there will be 40 in total
Yes join us in the Epic cult
It's best to listen with your eyes closed you had it right~
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I love your thoughts about the ripple effect. So, basically, Back to the Future was ripped off from Homer. :)
They do say, there is nothing new written, everything is just re-inventing Shakespeare, who re-ivented the classics...
Absolutely adore these, commenting for engagement :)
I'm enjoying these reactions so far! It's interesting to see people who know a bit about the odyssey to pick up on certain details but not enough to predict everything thats gonna happen.
4:35 I thought that was intentional for Dear Theodosia? It has very simple, repetitive lyrics to show how these intelligent, eloquent men are so overcome with emotion over their child's birth that they lose their usual wit and just "fall apart."
It's so fun seeing how into this you guys are getting so quickly! Looking forwards to seeing the next one :)
I'm just gonna ask about this again, if it isn't an option for some reason that's fine but I'm not sure you even saw my previous comment xD
Would it be an idea to react to a song (new version) and then react to an animatic for it afterwards? Not only might it be cool to see what changed in the new version of a song, especially with Panda here, but it would be such a shame for the animatics not to get as many eyes on them anymore because a new version of the audio dropped. And some of the animatics really do add such a great layer to the music.
You're already pointing out that it's better to support the new audio, but the artists that made the animatics deserve that support too! And I don't think the original production company benefits much at all from you watching animatics.
I would love to do that in the future, but the Troy saga has all been filmed in advance... my current hope is to listen through that sagas that have been released as then revisit the 1st 2 sagas with animatics with the context of all the sagas that have been released :) if I do, I'll make sure to relisten to the new versions before I film their reactions so the differences are fresh in my mind to compare
@@dj_410 Righ,t of course! That might actually bring a fun new perspective too, since most people reacting to the animatics go in knowing nothing else.
I hope you do get to do this, sounds like a lot of fun! And for now of course just enjoy the great music :) Thanks for responding!
Hell yeah more Epic! 💖
Would you mind turning on the closed captions while you watch? You don't have to if you find them distracting but it does help those of us with auditory processing issues. No problem if you don't want to though 🥰🥰
You should watch the animatics, especially from Gigi and AnniFlamma
Thx for the reaction
Would it be too much to ask for more than one soooooong upload? I am impaaaaatient.
Haha sorry :( delayed gratification makes it more enjoyable when you get it though :D alternatively I have release up to song 4 on my patreon with song 5 coming next week :D
I love your reactions,they are amazing! I can't wait for more! I don't know if you want to see animatics,but I HIGHLY reccomend it! SEEEING everything happen,it's SO much better! I made a playlist of all animatics in order! I reccomend reactiong to them and seeing what happens instead of just listening! Oh,and a lot of the animatics have proper captions instead of just auto generated ones,I suggest using them when avaliable on the animatic!th-cam.com/play/PLj4q5kUbaCjZIQ_Rb41AhzBNqPHFWMNud.html&si=HLij7x_iVv4Di-3p
Queremos ver las reacciones con más frecuencia por favor :')
He drop the baby😢
It feels like too many pauses at inopportune times so mb it would be better to do reaction first and then go back to song again and analyse
He signed up to take a woman by force of arms to give her to the husband king she left of her free will. Helen of Troy left her husband and Odysseus is one of a group of kings going to take her back. Because she is her husband king's property. Odysseus is willing to kill babies to get what he wants. So I really don't feel bad because he feels bad about killing the baby. Feeling bad didn't stop him.
Well that is an interpretation of the original story. Epic has a different version. Similar to other stories like Hamilton that clean up the morals of the main character.
That's not really how the story goes. Odysseus didn't want to go to war in first place, he was basically forced to go. He was bounded by an oath (which was technically his idea that terribly backfired at him) and when Agamemnon came to call him to war he even pretended to be insane to avoid it. He hooked an ox to plow and started to sow field with salt. It was only because they put baby Telemachus in front him that he stopped the plow and so revealed he's completely sane and so he had to go.
About Helena there are various versions and in only one of them she went willingly. In others she was either abducted or because Aphrodite made her fall for Paris, so even though she went willingly in this version it was because she was manipulated by goddess
@@appleblossomstar Helen was not given any choice to wed the king, who also took possession of her when she was 13. She was very pretty and the kings decided who would get her, and she got zero vote in that.
I'd boo hoo for Odysseus but as you mentioned, it was his idea that if Helen went to anyone but who they decided would take her, they'd all go and destroy that person and their kingdom. He was proven sane, so he in his sanity did what he did, which was go and kill a lot of people to force Helen back to her owner.
The point of Aphrodite having her love Paris, is that at least Helen wanted Paris. Love had nothing to do with her being the property of the king who was several decades older than her.
And boo hoo for Odysseus for having the choice of killing a baby and then actually doing it. What counts is what the actions he actually took, not how sad he was for murdering babies and forcing pretty girls into the beds of powerful old kings. The pretty music is great, but people are making a "hero" of a guy who in the first act is killing babies while in a war of his own making.