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Through the magic of Google, I recently learned that my grandfather is an official draft dodger. He came to the US from Italy when he was 16. When the Italian military draft board called him up, he was living in New Jersey and had married my grandmother a year or 2 before. Either they didn't check to see if he still lived in Italy, and/or they didn't believe relatives who told them he'd left. This all went down in the early 1900s and there's an Italian governmental website that still lists him as failing to report for service. My point is, grandpa had a good happy life here for the 50+ years. May you thrive as well.
He probably was still Italian at the time and thus still under Italian law. For military draft it doesn't matter where you live, you're an Italian citizen and that's what counts. It's still the same for countries where there's still a draft. Like Turkey, for them it doesn't matter what your passport is. Once a Turk, always a Turk down the generations. It's still a problem for them, most just pay it off.
Yeah..... 16 is really young for a soldier, I mean 18yrs the age of voluntary service here in the US is also very young, but 16 you are still figuring out who you are in the scheme of things.
I remember my military draft in the Mongolian army, basically discount version of the Russian army. Needless to say whatever patriotism I had for the country died with the service.
Yeah a friend did his service in mongolia in the late 90s, he said it was miserable.. Same bullshit as the russian military, hazing, bad food.. Corrupt lazy senior officers.. Older recruits bullying the new recruits.. He said it was not a useful life exprience . Exactly like a mini version of the russian military but not as bad. Interestingly he said atleast back them mongolia had very large stockpiles of smallarms and aa rockets and manpads. All poorly stored, migs too, Ive never seen details of the mongolian government surplusing this gear. He said there was several thousand strela manpad aa rocket launchers, quite a large stockpile. Im curious of these would pop up in this war as the hunger for aa rockets grows
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 forgive my ignorance, I was born in 96 so I might not have been alive yet but was Mongolia fighting someone then and if so who?
@NAFO Power. Is calling the Russian army orcs helpful? I mean Jesus it's textbook dehumanisation. Condemn the war criminals, shut up about everyone else.
@@dayforit1750 generalizing like this is enabling chauvinistic dehumanization at the very best. russians had taken a lot of crap from a lot of wealthy and powerful individuals, enterprises and politically influential people on par with turks, iranians, north koreans, chinese etc. as it is. the truth here is that only a fragile veil that a conjecture of some unlikely yet life-saving decisions and events in history in some select countries constitutes a working, civilized society, the kind that needs its parts being kept in check and sufficient balance. Take that away and eventually nearly everyone will become more or less like Nazis or those which you call 'orcs', no matter how vague of a definition of that you might provide. And don't even bother to tell me how you guys would know better than succumb to the relatively omnipotent and well-coordinated system and its agents; you had a number of chances at proving otherwise, and yet so few managed to do as little as to avoid military occupation, let alone adopting the views of or becoming just like the aggressor...
good day! I am a citizen of Russia and live in this country. This whole situation scares me very much and causes great hatred and anger, because I morally cannot take out this circus that is taking place in the political arena in our country. My friend's father was called to the front last fall, and the funny thing is that his family had to pay out of their own pocket for normal military armor and special accessories. Because the state itself gives out already battered, unsuitable military supplies and armor. FUUUUUCK, most of the funds from our taxes go to support military defense, but did they not have enough funds for their own soldiers? And there are many such cases. And now there are electronic summonses. This is already a degree of insanity, and damn, we can't even be indignant about it, we won't be satisfied with this "about the deprivation of our rights", because now everyone will be beaten with batons (I don't care if you are a woman, a child, a grandmother or grandfather), they will put you in a paddy wagon and for a day or a fine. And it makes me desperate. I'm already waiting for it to be at the level of Stalin's repressions
Sad, but what did you do and people around you to stop Putin? Or are they voting for him and mostly agree with his policies? As long as it is not personally affecting them, then probably yes.
Serious question. Amongst ordinary Russians, how well is it understood that being conscripted means your chance of death is extremely high? Is anyone trying to spread this knowledge?
@@Zwiggeron It was long enough for me to have a great laugh about "what did you do to stop..." type of comments, but now it became kinda annoying. Voting in Russia? Cmon man, learn to google. This S.Tarson guy is most likely about 20-25 y.o, and last time voting was like real thing in Russia he was probably walking freely under the table. You foreigners just LOVE to throw this "why you didn't vote" lines at us, but the truth is that great majority of people who are against was not even able to vote because of young age when voting really was a thing here. It is true that people in Russia don't go all political until 20-22 y.o. (or even older), but I guess last 2-3 years changed everything.
And the funniest aspect of the situation is how this 60-page law was passed in just one hour, with hardly any deputies having read it. After the vote, in which all but one member voted in favor of the bill, the parliament speaker accused the dissenter of sabotaging parliamentary proceedings, warning that he could face consequences if he continued such actions.
Some of the deputies even grumbled about the presentation of the bill don't giving them the possibility to read it - but they approved it anyway. That says all, the State Duma is no parliament, it is the Russian Puppet Show.
@@jpjfrey5673 Yeah pretty, there are drones and advance equipment but of the fighting is done via infantry, artillery and armoured vehicles(just like you said like WW2).
Trust me, the CIA and congressional war machine here in the west hears you... we head the call for freedom in IRAQ, AFGANISTAN, SYRIA, VIETNAM, PANAMA, ECT. how foolish foreigners are to think that the USA is here to help
I'm so sad this is happening to your country, I'm American and my country is going crazy too it feels like so I can sympathize with the feeling. 🫶 Sending love
I hate that everyone is fighting, I’m American too. I have always been fascinated by Russian history and culture. I never understood why the US didn’t normalize relations with them after the fall of the USSR. Russia, Ukraine, and the western world really all have the same core values. I hate that we’re all fighting
I am American, we faced this with Vietnam, we faced this (not a draft, but a BS war) with Iraq. I would not want the world to generalize our people based on those wars, actions taken by the government on the decisions of a handful of men. The world must show the Russian people the same courtesy. You didn't choose this, Putin did. Riot shields, police. soldiers defending these autocrats treating all of us as pawns in their fucking game. All of us are sick of it, from the USA to Russia to China.
I've watched the testimony of a Russian POW captured during the Kherson counter offensive in summer 2022. He was obese and had asthma. I guess Russia doesn't need fit solders if their role is to be canon fodder.
The Russians are sending one eyed men to the Zero-Line as snipers. Men with Cancer. They send Wagner prisoners with HIV/AIDS and Hepatitis to war. Unless they have no arms or legs, the mobilization will take them.
I think this applies to all those who “don’t understand politics” and looked away until this point: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me. -Martin Niemöller
Love that quote, especially because it was said by a German Lutheran pastor to highlight it doesn't matter what group you're in, eventually those in authoritarian regimes will come for you, as they always need an enemy.
There's one stanza missing - "First they came for the Communists". It's an important one, given Niemöller's life. It's striking to see how Niemöller changed - from someone who at first somewhat supported Hitler with a mix of anti-semitism and anti-communism, to a leading oppositionist, a concentration camp victim and someone who warned for that complacency, for going along, for not opposing war or repression. He wasn't fully apolitical, but went along for reasons he later considered foolish - and guilty. Truly someone who repented and spent all his power to make things right. May Russia have a Niemöller, or rather many - people who are now shouting Z, but will later do whatever they can to erase that stain.
@@justanotherredbeard4439Kinda unneeded to correct him on using the term communists instead of socialist, there is a saying in communism/socialism in today society, “Evert communist is a socialist but not every socialist is an communist”
Actually I’m kinda glad I’m Russian, cuz the fact what I lived in russia gives me so much appreciation of me living in the US right now, motivation to stay here no matter what (cuz like you know if I go back to russia I would get in prison) and life in Russia hardens you, so rn now what’s hard for Americans and what Americans consider problems it’s not problems for me at all. It’s kinda like when you played a game on a hard mode and then you switch it to an easy mode
It's a shame, that there aren't enough rebels. Russia is so big, so many targets for insurgent operations in rural regions to destabilize the federation, with close to no police, surveillance and military around. Yet, almost noone does anything, except for some brave people assaulting recruitment offices. The rest just cries on the internet and is fine with it, I guess.
I'm so glad you're safe man. I remember being so worried when all this first went down. Now I just gotta worry about Miles, hopefully that mad lad is doing ok.
I thought it was against the law to draft people into active military service, unless there was a war going on. But I guess laws in Russia are just a flexible tool for the state and nothing more.
@@freshhorizonswithjakub Nie každý je pripravený nechať všetko tak a odísť. Hlavne ak nemá dostatočnú hotovosť. Začať v zahraničí od nuly, možno s deťmi na krku, bez štatútu utečenca a podpory od štátu, aspoň na začiatok kým sa nepostaví na vlastné nohy. Ale ak už ide o život, je to na zváženie.
This war makes me really sad. I don't see relationships improving even if Russia left all of Ukraine tomorrow. I loved the idea that Russia and America could coexist and trade and have a good relationship, especially after the *first* cold War. It seemed like we could really have a utopia on earth some day. But those hopes are quickly and currently being shelled to death.
@@ISirSmoke yes, for as long as Russia is a corrupt shithole filled with people that are apathetic at best and russo fascists at worst, there won't be peace between Russia and the USA
@@darrenwendell1723 You know Roman himself said many times in his videos that it's not so easy to just revolt, right? I wonder how *you* would do in a similiar situation.
@@dr00g35 Grandchild of revolutionaries here, they shot the dictator running the country and people in the ground. There was death, there was misery and murder. They died fighting so their grand kids can live free. When push comes to shove, doing nothing and going with the flow is worse. I would have 100% done the same in their place. Cut the 'you speak well from your confy armchair' crap. The reason these people have their comfy armchair is that someone in their generation did what russians aren't willing to do right now and you you have no clue how they would react in that situation.
@@Adrian2140 So what? Do you want a gold medal? Good luck doing all of that in 2023. Just because the Dutch ate their prime minister back in the day doesn't mean I could eat our prime minister now.
Damn man, it really sucks to live in a country that does just what it wants and asks the population to pay the bill. I hope a lot of innocent man can keep their lives
Surely they can just dodge the draft, right? There must be ways out. It's absolutely barbaric for a country to basically just kill its citizens like they're nothing...
@@pezvonpez uhh they could, now they can't. the only hope for people who got the draft letter now is to try to claim asylum in norway/georgia/kazakhstan
To be totally fair - it sucks way more for Ukrainians still. They're the ones getting attacked in a war. Compared to that, what's happening here in Russia is... just an average totalitarian regime going bonkers.
Bro, my heart breaks for the boys waiting their turn at the recruitment cenrer. They probably don't realize it, but their bodies will be maimed and their lives will be thrown away at moment's instant for irrelevant leverage on the political scene of a power hungry tyrsnt. Sickening. The people at the border can be Compared to a herd of farm animals who have found a hole in the fence and are escaping from the slaughterhouse days before the remaining ones are thrown into the meat grinder.
I'd argue many do realise whats gonna happen, but years of living under an oppressive regime will have led to apathy. I know I'd be mentally fucked from such a terrible existance.
@@jeffsyndrome4812 can confirm as someone who lived in Russia for 19 years, the whole place just makes you feel nothing. The surroundings are brown and gray, the people are hateful and numb, the government doesn't care and the wages are too low for high prices You have to stop giving a damn or you'll commit an s-word
I see this comment and I can't help but think of the heavily predatory behaviour that U.S. military recruiters have on high school students or people who just got out of high school. I know it's not the same thing as being legally forced to serve in the military during a huge war under an oppressive regime (drafting), but roping them into roughly a similar scenario when I don't think most know what they're getting themselves into is just... also fucked up not gonna lie. :/
TW: This is a vent,, if you're going through a difficult time right now or have some sort of anxiety disorder / depression, i would recommend scrolling away. Please take care of yourself (i haven no control over anything that's happening with me being a minor) Basically, my mom left an EU country we lived in about 2 years ago, without any warning. And saying that she's gone completely fucking insane would be an understatement, so, fear of everything that was going on overtook her and she now hardcore believes in Russian propaganda. (she took it satire 2 years ago..) And sitting in front of the tv and watching it like it's nothing. With my life being completely taken away, and me knowing that all my friends are living their life out,, (she's also convincing me that I'm MENTALLY Russian even though i feel like im being gaslighted since i don't feel like that, it has been extremely difficult to "blend in" because i just don't get it, i spend my whole life in a completely different place...) and me having no fucking support here - even worse: I'm scared if i might say this to anyone, they would defend my mom because of worldview. For an example: The school "therapist" invalidated what i felt and when i asked them if they've EVER been in a situation like this - they replied with: Yes, i've been, i needed to move city's. It's clear they don't get it... I'm not your fucking suitcase that you can bring everywhere you want.. (cause that's all that happened so far.) and things only escalated and escalated, NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. im just sitting here, anxiously watching whatever the fuck happens next. (This is an extremely shortened version of the story) Thank you for reading this, it means a lot Edit: Holy shit, i didnt expect the likes
One of my friends knows someone who was drafted in Russia last week. The situation is scary for anyone in that position. I hope for a peaceful end for both sides, despite the fact that I believe it is highly unlikely.
The only 2 options to end this war is either a balkanization of russia, or a 1917-styled civil war. Ukrainian victory is confirmed, the question is not if, but which date the victory would be achieved? However, after the war ends, you'd see horror scenes in Donetsk, Mariupol, Melitopol, and every territory occupied by russia for a long time, because you'd find some mass graves of massacred Ukrainians, as how there are ottoman era Greek mass graves in Cappadocia perpetrated by turks. I hope the Ukrainian intelligence learns from Armenia and Israel (especially Israel) to hunt russian war criminals down like the Jews did to the black september terror group and eichmann, because the world will fail them in doing justice by hunting russian war criminals down just like how they failed to do so to all german and co. war criminals after their genocidal campaign against Jews, and just like how they failed to do so to turkish and kurdish war criminals after the tri-genoicde against Assyrians, Greeks and Armenians (in which Soghomon Tehlirian took the matter into his own hands (rightfully) to assassinate the bloodthirsty talaat pasha).
Today my girlfriend was crossing the border from Vladikavkaz, they did not let her in Georgia, as her father is a military guy in Russia. It's F ed up.
I feel so sorry for the people of Russia, they deserves a better destiny than what Putin is giving them. It feels like Kremlin is turning the whole country to a big detention camp. It's scary and sad. You're in my praires, just like the people of Ukraine is in them.
My grandparents left Ukraine (they were from former Poland territory) in the 60s because of Russia. Luckily they're not here anymore to see this insanity still going on nowadays
That depends on there your looking from. From inside Russia things will be looking really bleak but looking in from the outside and witnessing the end of the Russkiy Mir is a wonderful thing to behold, because the docile and obedient Slaves and Serfs of Russia only have themselves to blame.
@@Cannon_Fodder_Russians are you not familiar with a human concept of *fear of reprisal?* Or are you just enjoying your life in a secure glass house? People in Russia didn't *choose* to not do anything, they were *told and enforced* that they can't do or choose anything. When all you have is sticks and stones versus machinegun lines, tear gas and riot gear, no amount of killed civilians will amount to anything This isn't US where every second person owns an AR-15
Когда я рос в России в 80х-90х, ещё тогда ходила поговорка которая гласила, "Закон как дышло, куда подул туда и вышло." When I was growing up in Russia in the 1980s - 90s. There was a saying that went something like, "The law is like bellows, wherever you blow it, that's where it will go."
вот только дышло это оглобли лошадиные, не "bellows" а "harness", и во всех поговорках "куда воротишь" или "куда повернешь", туда и вышло. В мехах кузнечных собственно нет варианта куда дуть, все равно выйдет в одном месте, а вот оглобли куда повернешь, туда телега и поедет, в этом и смысл поговорки. Банально неправильный смысл приведен
So far the goals of the special military operation are being achieved. Most of Russia’s military equipment has been de-militarized in Ukraine, also most of Russia’s Nazi‘s have been de-nazified there too. Keep up the good work, Russia 👍
I really just wanna point out how much I love it when Roman cuts to a zoom-in shot with a black and white filter whenever he says something sarcastic, dramatic and/or full of existential dread lmao
If I were you, I'd get my family out and never bother stepping foot in Russia again. That place is probably only going to get worse even after Putin is gone.
I am calm. I am not from Russia, i dont live in Russia, i am not Russian, I am not going to be drafted in Russia, i dont die in Russia , Bakchmut or any other part of Ukraine. I am from relevant, normal country. So I am calm. Russians on the other hand... hell, how many were happy when in 2014 r Crimea was annexed ? Now they dont seem to be that happy anymore.
I'm from Poland. Russians like you give me hope that something would change some day... Because right now it's pure madness... Any Ukrainian right here - you'll win your war soon 🇺🇦🇵🇱
Remember the one political opposition of Putin that got jailed and poisoned? And Russian has an internal security force (that's larger than many European active military), and their sole purpose is to silence any potential uprising. There is no hope.
Dear Polish people, thank you for all the assistance and kindness you are giving to Ukrainians. My grandparents came to the US from Poland, except it wasn't actually Poland at that time because, well, you know, BUT they spoke Polish and considered themselves as being Polish and their children spoke Polish. I hope to visit Poland soon to experience your beautiful country. Thank you again!
He really did get out of Russia in the 11th hour! We were so many telling him for a long time to get out, and even more so with the news of the mobilization in September. It was such a huge relief when he posted the video that he (finally) left Russia!
If i was living in Russia even after all the Warnings been given to me to leave, I would hope people get the message that Putin will make up any laws to throw people into a meatgrinder war, at this point go radio silent with electronics to avoid the draft lol.
You can‘t even go silent. Goverment will restrict you from leaving the country, making operations with your property, renting it, you can‘t open a buisnes, or register as self employed. That will happen even if you did not check anything they send, just after a button press you have to come in 20 days or your rights are taken
@Thomasov That's basically living like a lone caveman in a harsh climate. 90% of modern people will be dead after the first winter. You probably have better chances in Bakhmut. And building a cabin is not a quick/easy/cheap thing to do, most Russian people won't have resources for that
I'm glad you're not recruited Roman, and thanks for sharing this information. I hope this war ends, but I also fear that conflicts outside of Ukraine are inevitable now. From Taiwan, to the Himelayans, and the Far East (ie: Siberia) being a probable target for Chinese expansion; I fear more millitary operations for all nations within Asia will be the new norm, for Asia, as a whole.
@@sneezy3233 They went the long way round, THROUGH EUROPE to invade America on the Eastern Seaboard. Russia can't even invade 1 (ONE) COUNTRY NEXT TO THEM
+Trevor the Trilby As a German Historian working for the "IFZ" in Munich. Your point is right, but definitely not nearly as bad as it was in the 3rd Reich towards the End. But let's wait, we might just get that far in the next 1-2 Years Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
The difference is many Germans really wanted to fight for Hitler. Now in Russia even people who support the war (sorry, SFO) are mostly not that eager to go to the front.
@@waltch5711 Putleryouth is already existing since 2015... It's Called Yunarmiya. Looks like scouts on the outside but in reality they're telling Children and teenagers how wonderful serving in the glorious Russian army and dying for Russia is. So Putler definitely planed everything in advance with his propaganda machine.
Honestly, i am "limited годен" to the military and have a voyenny bilet(due to my diabetes), living abroad for years and but still not feeling safe as im on the "list" still. Just assume it's gonna happen to you and mid yourself, don't go back. Russia is closed for me until the war is over.
No offense but even after that I feel there's gonna be fallout... I don't want to crush you soul but I would just write off Russia as goner. I know it hurts, if this happened to Poland I don't know what I would do - get rope or grab rifle and try to storm parliament...
@@mariuszmoraw3571 I like that way of looking at it... it y'know... 'could' happen to any country... I suppose my country and Japan and Germany etc... Italy.. etc etc, we've gone through these phases... but who knows... all it takes is for the right few people to lose their minds... and everything gets all ruined and crazy. My goal has always been to immigrate... and i'm not set is stone as to where. Things can always get worse.. well.. except for Ukrainians right now... or Yemenis... or Palestinians.. hmmm... and I hear Myanmars not doing so great.... oh and I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the dali lama either lol... haha... ahhhh that'd be the worst. ... I'd rather be a Ukrainian child than a child anywhere near the dali lama. Crazy times. But fine words and sentiments nonetheless. Although less rope and more cheesing it, or the rifle and resistance idea.
It doesn't "just" apply to conscripts. Not presumably, not apparently, not otherly. This new law affects "Povestka" (Summons) as a LEGAL TERM. It also applies to letters sent out when you're 16 to get registered with their database, it applies to mobilization letters, they are also called "Povestka" and even in peace, you may get "Povestka" just to update your info with them
You do realize that every country with mandatory military service has a similar system, don’t you? Actually the Russian system is mind boggling in how easy its to evade military service by just changing residence. I’m in Greece an EU/NATO country and I’m telling you right now that Roman’s little asthma excuse would not fly and he would serve either like it or not or else the state would basically destroy his life.
Russia is not at all in a full scale mobilisation and most of the conscript of last year are still on training or are somewhere in the back. The trops at the front are mostly wagnerites and elite trops from Russia. It is much worse on the ukrainian side.
@@angeurbain6129 What are you trying to do? Ruin Roman’s vacation funding? We are supposed to believe that at any moment he will be forced out of the train and join a human wave charging bahmut with rusty shovels. In seriousness you are right. Up to this point the conscripted Russians are nowhere to be seen in any contact line, actually that’s the big question of every analyst, where are they and when will they be deployed. From what I understand they called only reservists, not fresh recruits and only a small percentage with battle experience from previous conflicts (mainly Syria) were deployed to fill in the ranks of battle units. I’m guessing that some of them might opted for Wagner because they would prefer to be in a more professional and better equipped unit, than being in an army unit with inexperienced personnel. When I was in the army, we had a captain that was completely crazy about training exercises etc, but he was also the first that would do what he asked us. We all hated him and would prefer to have one of the other chill out type officers. We also all agreed that if the shit hit the fan we would like to be with THAT guy.
Glad to see you keeping your head up and getting to go and visit Thailand, Roman. I think the vast majority of us Western viewers can’t even begin to imagine how horrendous might feel, draft notice or not.
@@darrenwendell1723 I don't know what country you're from, but when America was at war for 20 years straight (until we bolted out of Afghanistan like a thief in the night), millions of us went on vacation every single day.
Will average Russians (in particular men) continue to say "I'm apolitical" "I'm not well informed about war" "I try to don't follow politics" after this?
Glad you were able to get out to Thailand. I know you've mentioned in other videos you were feeling trapped, so glad that there are still countries you can freely travel to!
got this news yesterday and yes it sounds really bad! Hope you are still safe! Because 1 other youtuber (Dima) went back to Russia some days ago (we all warned him not to do it, but he did...) and 1 or 2 days later he got a letter to being mobilized...
If this is true, I'm sorry for Dima but he became the victim of his own stupidity. Whoever Russian heads back to Russia believing in the Kremlin's fairytales is simply brain dead and can't be helped. I told Russian bloggers I know and care for already in the early months to be ready to quit the country quickly if things get worse, cuz I was 100% certain they would close the borders. Some of them made it out just in time. I highly recommend Russians believe Western "propaganda" cuz we simply know better.
@@MrJemoederopeenstokj Russians have the right to stay only 1 year abroad in neighbouring countries like Georgia and Kazakhstan. It's not their choice really
@@Alias_Anybody He isn't, and he clearly said it. Not all are that wise, though. And the ones that were dumb enough to stay cuz they thought "it doesn't concern me" will bitterly regret their decision. There will be a big awakening for many Russians, when they finally realize what is truly happening and that they may become disposable fuel for the meat grinder.
I hope you are not drafted Roman. My father was drafted to go to Vietnam, another bogus war, just out of high school. Luckly the war ended before he could ship out and potentially loose his life.
frankly, I worry about that too. Sure, for now he doesn't get drafted due to medical exemption, but let the war run long enough and the standards are going to drop far enough, that this won't exempt anymore.
@@MrJimheeren Actually if he was living in my country, he would be immediately arrested once he set foot on the country again for evading the mandatory army service. He would be free to return only after becoming 35 years old, and even then a huge fine would have to be paid. Russia is crazy relaxed with its recruiting system.
Don’t you kind of want to go find all the people who said this wasn’t going to happen last year and shake them ? Just volunteers and people with military training are going to be called up right ? Remember that ?
Funny how a few months ago, Russia was like: "Everyone must c'mon down to the recruitment office. Nothing at all to worry about. We just want to update your contact information." How often must Russians get screwed over, before they realize their worst enemy is their own government?
They understand well enough. They just can't do nothing about it I tell people time and time again - when civilians are standing against military grade equipment, the former will simply die and achieve nothing, instilling fear of reprisal into others who would dare try. You speak up? Jail You speak up and try something? You disappear Russian citizens are *severely underequipped* to fight those in power
People have realised, but if the wages are low then mobility to escape a government is low, and many of the 'Russians' are from already conquered territories of Ukraine and Georgia who had their passports taken away too, from 2014. This is like blaming American kids on the number of school shootings
DAMN ROMAN... I remember a couple years ago when yer family helped vouch for you in order to AVOID being conscripted through a medical discharge. That sh1t probably saved yer life bruh! Seriously... so glad yer here on TH-cam providing a 1st hand account on what's REALLY going on in Russia. Much 💛from South Florida USA
I'm not a Moskovian, so me living in Russia state won't change. Simply because I don't have money to leave. And I won't surrender to them either. So basically it's self-defending suicide fight coming.
I know of a dumb volunteer for the motherland ….left in September in Ukraine in October, and not heard from since. 40 years old and had military training when he was a late teen into 20s. Been a car salesman so they Made him a platoon leader….I think the military training gets you promoted.
10:20 considering that both conscripts and prisoners are already being forced to give their lives to private companies like Wagner, this is already not a hypothetical, but a reality.
I subscribed to Ground News because of the info you gave on line. It is indeed informative. Thank you for this tip to hear and read for ourselves the news from many sources. Love your channel and how you keep us in the " God forsaken West" updated. God bless you and your life Roman. You remain in my prayers.
This reminds me of Starship Trooper, where you were sent to die in a war with aliens. If you refused service you basically became a second class citizen
You are not even a Citizen then. Only Service grants Citizenship. Which didn´t seemed to be the Case as Ricos Parents didn´t served and they had a pretty good Lifestyle.
This happens pretty much in every country with mandatory military service, Russia in fact is surprisingly relaxed. If my country was involved in a conflict, no way all these caravans of military service evaders would be allowed out.
Put a frog in hot water and he will sense the danger and jump out immediately. Put a frog in cold water and slowly raise the temperature and he will stay until he eventually boils alive. That is what the kremlin does with russian people at the moment. The hope that everything will turn out to be okay lets them stay for the moment, longer, too long, until the moment comes where all hope is gone.
There's a one way door at the draft office like the MEATGRINDER you go in but you don't come out😂😂. Victory to Ukraine Australia is with you 🇺🇦🇦🇺🇺🇦🇦🇺🇺🇦🇦🇺
I'm still astonished that people don't realise that they will die on the frontline regardless when they get drafted, it's death either way and there is nothing left to lose so might as well die fighting the cowards who force you to die by another's hand for their own personal gain.
What do you propose they do? Surrender is the best course of action, but even that is dubious on the battlefield where blood runs hot and people act quickly. Perhaps there is a warped logic to dying fighting your government instead, but I think most of these people would prefer not dying at all haha.
@@jeffsyndrome4812 You die either way, either on the frontline or by the government. You either die for the government or die against it, hoping you'd be that lucky drop that will dodge and come out unscathed is the equivalent of hoping you'd win the lottery with one ticket.
@@jeffsyndrome4812 The warped logic is you organize a resistance & fight to free your country from tyranny so that future generations can experience a better one. A lot of democratic revolutions came from fighting authoritative figureheads.
You forget that if they will fight their government, they will not have literally anyone on their side to help. Ukranains doesn't care, they want all russians dead. Europe and US don't really care about them too. Their government ofcourse just will kill them on sight. You alone against the whole world and you also have relative who can get hurt. Imagine yourself in such position. It requires very special state of mind
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Teacher: Describe Russian history in 2 words.
Me: Oh shit
Same as the west did with unvaccinated people. Cry silently, traitor 🤡
How do Russians identify themselves on that page?
Look how many people delete the app.
I’m sure the children of the members of the Duma voting on this don’t have to worry about it.
Let me guess, every one of these high rank politicians and businessmen's sons and daughters will be excluded from this draft.
Say what you will about Stalin, atleast he was fair about sending family to war.
Yepp. Russia is founded on corruption
Correct!
@@ProxiProtogen maybe, but he did promote his 24 old son to the rank of major general
@@billypilgrim1 and left him to rot in a POW camp, pretty sure he refused a trade for his son
"And then things got worse." -Unofficial motto of Russia for the better part of the past 1000 years
“But i’m not done yet!”
Russia didn't existed that long
@@PUARockstar the rus state was formed in 862ad. You are only correct if you mean the russian federation.
@@tonycrayford3893 Not rly. Counting Russia from Russ state is like counting Germany from first Franks country. Russia started as Moscow Principality.
People are racist (and how) towards India but to this day I have no idea how Russia lasted this long to the modern age with all these deaths
In Soviet Russia you don’t draft an email - the email drafts you
Best comment!😂
Quality humor 🏆
Gold
Severely underrated comment, Roman mah boi you need to pin this
You are literally a national treasure and the best thing I've seen all day
Through the magic of Google, I recently learned that my grandfather is an official draft dodger. He came to the US from Italy when he was 16. When the Italian military draft board called him up, he was living in New Jersey and had married my grandmother a year or 2 before. Either they didn't check to see if he still lived in Italy, and/or they didn't believe relatives who told them he'd left. This all went down in the early 1900s and there's an Italian governmental website that still lists him as failing to report for service. My point is, grandpa had a good happy life here for the 50+ years. May you thrive as well.
He probably was still Italian at the time and thus still under Italian law. For military draft it doesn't matter where you live, you're an Italian citizen and that's what counts. It's still the same for countries where there's still a draft. Like Turkey, for them it doesn't matter what your passport is. Once a Turk, always a Turk down the generations. It's still a problem for them, most just pay it off.
@@telebubba5527 this is why Turks shouldn’t be allowed to live in Europe. “Once a Turk always a Turk”
Yeah..... 16 is really young for a soldier, I mean 18yrs the age of voluntary service here in the US is also very young, but 16 you are still figuring out who you are in the scheme of things.
@@mazenkaiser7234 go to South Sudan where theres 12 year old soldiers.
In the olden days, you would be a full legal adult at 16.
Well, draft dodging is okay if your feeling facism. And Italy is literally the inventor of facism
I'm 16yo boy from Saint-Petersburg, and I m very scared. Now "not going to army" Is the best motivation to study hard and go to university
leave the country if u can before its to late
I wish you the best, it's very hard these days..
well you should hope that war stops in less than two years
@@n1ghhtmare thank you, I wish that war will end very soon
@@ok5183 They can still lower the age for mobilization to 16
I remember my military draft in the Mongolian army, basically discount version of the Russian army. Needless to say whatever patriotism I had for the country died with the service.
Please elaborate on this. I never even knew Mongolia had a modern army.
Wow, you were in the Mongolian army?! That's so interesting, I want to hear more!
@@Kat-gp6gj Its basically lite version of the Russian army, outdated equipment, corruption, alcoholism, phyiscal abuse borderline slavery
Yeah a friend did his service in mongolia in the late 90s, he said it was miserable.. Same bullshit as the russian military, hazing, bad food.. Corrupt lazy senior officers.. Older recruits bullying the new recruits.. He said it was not a useful life exprience . Exactly like a mini version of the russian military but not as bad.
Interestingly he said atleast back them mongolia had very large stockpiles of smallarms and aa rockets and manpads. All poorly stored, migs too, Ive never seen details of the mongolian government surplusing this gear. He said there was several thousand strela manpad aa rocket launchers, quite a large stockpile. Im curious of these would pop up in this war as the hunger for aa rockets grows
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 forgive my ignorance, I was born in 96 so I might not have been alive yet but was Mongolia fighting someone then and if so who?
russian people: "this is the worst day of my life"
putin: "this is the worst day of your life _so far"_
Ukrainian people. " A day without TANK FRIED Orc is a day wasted".
@NAFO Power. Is calling the Russian army orcs helpful? I mean Jesus it's textbook dehumanisation. Condemn the war criminals, shut up about everyone else.
You should take a leaf out your own book Jeff
@@dayforit1750 generalizing like this is enabling chauvinistic dehumanization at the very best. russians had taken a lot of crap from a lot of wealthy and powerful individuals, enterprises and politically influential people on par with turks, iranians, north koreans, chinese etc. as it is. the truth here is that only a fragile veil that a conjecture of some unlikely yet life-saving decisions and events in history in some select countries constitutes a working, civilized society, the kind that needs its parts being kept in check and sufficient balance. Take that away and eventually nearly everyone will become more or less like Nazis or those which you call 'orcs', no matter how vague of a definition of that you might provide. And don't even bother to tell me how you guys would know better than succumb to the relatively omnipotent and well-coordinated system and its agents; you had a number of chances at proving otherwise, and yet so few managed to do as little as to avoid military occupation, let alone adopting the views of or becoming just like the aggressor...
@@dayforit1750 don't forget to pray for Marley
PC: *You got mail*
Russian: * *Sweats profusely* *
I'm picturing the 1999 ICQ notification sound.
"Uhh-Uhh"
"New message from Vova"
haha) but in reality noone gives a shit about this.
you been drafted to bahmut
Да,да,да.Продолжай так говорить.Продолжай (более того) в это верить дибил)
good day! I am a citizen of Russia and live in this country. This whole situation scares me very much and causes great hatred and anger, because I morally cannot take out this circus that is taking place in the political arena in our country. My friend's father was called to the front last fall, and the funny thing is that his family had to pay out of their own pocket for normal military armor and special accessories. Because the state itself gives out already battered, unsuitable military supplies and armor. FUUUUUCK, most of the funds from our taxes go to support military defense, but did they not have enough funds for their own soldiers? And there are many such cases. And now there are electronic summonses. This is already a degree of insanity, and damn, we can't even be indignant about it, we won't be satisfied with this "about the deprivation of our rights", because now everyone will be beaten with batons (I don't care if you are a woman, a child, a grandmother or grandfather), they will put you in a paddy wagon and for a day or a fine. And it makes me desperate. I'm already waiting for it to be at the level of Stalin's repressions
Leave from Russia now without thoughts
Sad, but what did you do and people around you to stop Putin? Or are they voting for him and mostly agree with his policies? As long as it is not personally affecting them, then probably yes.
Serious question. Amongst ordinary Russians, how well is it understood that being conscripted means your chance of death is extremely high? Is anyone trying to spread this knowledge?
@@saumyacow4435 everyone knows that but it they are do desperate theyre not even thinking about changing that
@@Zwiggeron It was long enough for me to have a great laugh about "what did you do to stop..." type of comments, but now it became kinda annoying. Voting in Russia? Cmon man, learn to google. This S.Tarson guy is most likely about 20-25 y.o, and last time voting was like real thing in Russia he was probably walking freely under the table. You foreigners just LOVE to throw this "why you didn't vote" lines at us, but the truth is that great majority of people who are against was not even able to vote because of young age when voting really was a thing here.
It is true that people in Russia don't go all political until 20-22 y.o. (or even older), but I guess last 2-3 years changed everything.
And the funniest aspect of the situation is how this 60-page law was passed in just one hour, with hardly any deputies having read it. After the vote, in which all but one member voted in favor of the bill, the parliament speaker accused the dissenter of sabotaging parliamentary proceedings, warning that he could face consequences if he continued such actions.
Not much of a parliament if you can't oppose law bills.
But then again, it's Ruzzia...
She, the person who voted no is a lady
Some of the deputies even grumbled about the presentation of the bill don't giving them the possibility to read it - but they approved it anyway. That says all, the State Duma is no parliament, it is the Russian Puppet Show.
He'd be well advised to stay clear of open windows.
I mean the one guy opposing the vote was probably staged just so it could look like there was even one person against it
This is really depressing news. I know what going to happen to a lot of these conscripts. None of these kids deserves to die.
They will probably die is some muddy trench along the frontline by artillery or get gunned down crossing a field by machine gun fire. Fun times.
They may not deserve to die but Russians just let their government plow right over them all the time, and oftentimes they support people like Putin.
@@EatMyShortsAU just like during WWII.....
Some of them definitely deserve it.
@@jpjfrey5673 Yeah pretty, there are drones and advance equipment but of the fighting is done via infantry, artillery and armoured vehicles(just like you said like WW2).
Спасибо, Рома, что говоришь об этом на англоязычную публику. Важно, чтобы люди знали
Trust me, the CIA and congressional war machine here in the west hears you... we head the call for freedom in IRAQ, AFGANISTAN, SYRIA, VIETNAM, PANAMA, ECT. how foolish foreigners are to think that the USA is here to help
I'm so sad this is happening to your country, I'm American and my country is going crazy too it feels like so I can sympathize with the feeling. 🫶 Sending love
@@willowmalone9215 thanks for your support.
I hate that everyone is fighting, I’m American too. I have always been fascinated by Russian history and culture. I never understood why the US didn’t normalize relations with them after the fall of the USSR. Russia, Ukraine, and the western world really all have the same core values. I hate that we’re all fighting
I am American, we faced this with Vietnam, we faced this (not a draft, but a BS war) with Iraq. I would not want the world to generalize our people based on those wars, actions taken by the government on the decisions of a handful of men. The world must show the Russian people the same courtesy. You didn't choose this, Putin did. Riot shields, police. soldiers defending these autocrats treating all of us as pawns in their fucking game. All of us are sick of it, from the USA to Russia to China.
I woould have zero confidence that asthma would preclude you from mandatory service these days
I've watched the testimony of a Russian POW captured during the Kherson counter offensive in summer 2022. He was obese and had asthma. I guess Russia doesn't need fit solders if their role is to be canon fodder.
The Russians are sending one eyed men to the Zero-Line as snipers. Men with Cancer. They send Wagner prisoners with HIV/AIDS and Hepatitis to war. Unless they have no arms or legs, the mobilization will take them.
I had the same thought.
I think this applies to all those who “don’t understand politics” and looked away until this point:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
-Martin Niemöller
Love that quote, especially because it was said by a German Lutheran pastor to highlight it doesn't matter what group you're in, eventually those in authoritarian regimes will come for you, as they always need an enemy.
@@Allaiya. Today the neo-fascist campaigns are anti-gay and anti-trans.
There's one stanza missing - "First they came for the Communists". It's an important one, given Niemöller's life.
It's striking to see how Niemöller changed - from someone who at first somewhat supported Hitler with a mix of anti-semitism and anti-communism, to a leading oppositionist, a concentration camp victim and someone who warned for that complacency, for going along, for not opposing war or repression.
He wasn't fully apolitical, but went along for reasons he later considered foolish - and guilty. Truly someone who repented and spent all his power to make things right. May Russia have a Niemöller, or rather many - people who are now shouting Z, but will later do whatever they can to erase that stain.
@@justanotherredbeard4439 Facilitating mass murder and then having regrets, is better than having no regrets. Not much better, but better.
@@justanotherredbeard4439Kinda unneeded to correct him on using the term communists instead of socialist, there is a saying in communism/socialism in today society, “Evert communist is a socialist but not every socialist is an communist”
The worst thing is russians who run away from the country but stays pootin's fans and supporters abroad.
I wake up every morning and thank the gods that I’m not Russian.
I say a similar thing , except I say thank the gods I’m not a tRumpturd
Lucky you
Actually I’m kinda glad I’m Russian, cuz the fact what I lived in russia gives me so much appreciation of me living in the US right now, motivation to stay here no matter what (cuz like you know if I go back to russia I would get in prison) and life in Russia hardens you, so rn now what’s hard for Americans and what Americans consider problems it’s not problems for me at all. It’s kinda like when you played a game on a hard mode and then you switch it to an easy mode
@@fox_foxivich interetsing perspective, thank you
So do I.
Forcing a bunch of men into the military and giving them weapons. What could possibly go wrong 😅
Russian will never turn their weapons on their rulers, they are too afraid. That's the reason there are no anti-war protests.
Yea they’re gonna be fraggings like in Vietnam with America
It's a shame, that there aren't enough rebels. Russia is so big, so many targets for insurgent operations in rural regions to destabilize the federation, with close to no police, surveillance and military around. Yet, almost noone does anything, except for some brave people assaulting recruitment offices. The rest just cries on the internet and is fine with it, I guess.
@@sto1238
Seems like America lives in your brain rent free
They are probably giving weapons out at the battlefield so you have no choice
I'm so glad you're safe man. I remember being so worried when all this first went down. Now I just gotta worry about Miles, hopefully that mad lad is doing ok.
“The ‘special operation’ is going very well. We just need to draft everyone for…..reasons” - Poohty
"Just two days to flatten the country."
"We need to draft everyone... What do you mean why?! To give a huge parade in Washington!"
'It is just a limited 'Special Military Operation'. - Putin
'It is a limited mobilisation'. - Putin
I thought it was against the law to draft people into active military service, unless there was a war going on. But I guess laws in Russia are just a flexible tool for the state and nothing more.
"But who will work the crops the feed the People, Putin?"
"The People?!"
I also have a family in Russia and I am frequently almost having heart attacks. It’s frightening honestly.
why not leave?
@@freshhorizonswithjakub Nie každý je pripravený nechať všetko tak a odísť. Hlavne ak nemá dostatočnú hotovosť. Začať v zahraničí od nuly, možno s deťmi na krku, bez štatútu utečenca a podpory od štátu, aspoň na začiatok kým sa nepostaví na vlastné nohy. Ale ak už ide o život, je to na zváženie.
Pretty sure the Ukrainian family are more frightened.
@@darrenwendell1723 ukrainians often go back home and then come back here
Ну и какого хуя ты их БРОСИЛ в таком случае ИДИОТ???
This war makes me really sad. I don't see relationships improving even if Russia left all of Ukraine tomorrow. I loved the idea that Russia and America could coexist and trade and have a good relationship, especially after the *first* cold War. It seemed like we could really have a utopia on earth some day. But those hopes are quickly and currently being shelled to death.
the naive is strong with this one
@@ISirSmoke yes, for as long as Russia is a corrupt shithole filled with people that are apathetic at best and russo fascists at worst, there won't be peace between Russia and the USA
Being friends with US can only mean being their slave. You won't even realize that.
@ISirSmoke me ? Please enlighten me there's nothing I want more than to be wrong.
Every country has their issues, but having no rights under one ruler like in N. Korea, Russia, and China is the absolute worse thing.
Right? I am glad my country is mostly just bad at road construction and getting their digital services running correctly :D
They choose to have no rights. 145mln sheep and 1 dwarf.
@@darrenwendell1723 You know Roman himself said many times in his videos that it's not so easy to just revolt, right? I wonder how *you* would do in a similiar situation.
@@dr00g35 Grandchild of revolutionaries here, they shot the dictator running the country and people in the ground. There was death, there was misery and murder. They died fighting so their grand kids can live free. When push comes to shove, doing nothing and going with the flow is worse. I would have 100% done the same in their place.
Cut the 'you speak well from your confy armchair' crap. The reason these people have their comfy armchair is that someone in their generation did what russians aren't willing to do right now and you you have no clue how they would react in that situation.
@@Adrian2140 So what? Do you want a gold medal? Good luck doing all of that in 2023. Just because the Dutch ate their prime minister back in the day doesn't mean I could eat our prime minister now.
Damn man, it really sucks to live in a country that does just what it wants and asks the population to pay the bill. I hope a lot of innocent man can keep their lives
Surely they can just dodge the draft, right? There must be ways out. It's absolutely barbaric for a country to basically just kill its citizens like they're nothing...
@@pezvonpez uhh they could, now they can't. the only hope for people who got the draft letter now is to try to claim asylum in norway/georgia/kazakhstan
and that of course means they will have to illegally cross the border, which is pretty hard
We have the same in Europe
To be totally fair - it sucks way more for Ukrainians still. They're the ones getting attacked in a war. Compared to that, what's happening here in Russia is... just an average totalitarian regime going bonkers.
Nothing says everything is going according to plan as "We need to draft EVERYONE!"
Bro, my heart breaks for the boys waiting their turn at the recruitment cenrer. They probably don't realize it, but their bodies will be maimed and their lives will be thrown away at moment's instant for irrelevant leverage on the political scene of a power hungry tyrsnt. Sickening. The people at the border can be Compared to a herd of farm animals who have found a hole in the fence and are escaping from the slaughterhouse days before the remaining ones are thrown into the meat grinder.
I'd argue many do realise whats gonna happen, but years of living under an oppressive regime will have led to apathy. I know I'd be mentally fucked from such a terrible existance.
they do know, i spoke to some in person, they r answering something like "it is what it is", apathy is real.
Telegram is full of war videos. These guys would perfectly know what's coming.
@@jeffsyndrome4812 can confirm as someone who lived in Russia for 19 years, the whole place just makes you feel nothing. The surroundings are brown and gray, the people are hateful and numb, the government doesn't care and the wages are too low for high prices
You have to stop giving a damn or you'll commit an s-word
I see this comment and I can't help but think of the heavily predatory behaviour that U.S. military recruiters have on high school students or people who just got out of high school.
I know it's not the same thing as being legally forced to serve in the military during a huge war under an oppressive regime (drafting), but roping them into roughly a similar scenario when I don't think most know what they're getting themselves into is just... also fucked up not gonna lie. :/
TW: This is a vent,, if you're going through a difficult time right now or have some sort of anxiety disorder / depression, i would recommend scrolling away. Please take care of yourself
(i haven no control over anything that's happening with me being a minor)
Basically, my mom left an EU country we lived in about 2 years ago, without any warning. And saying that she's gone completely fucking insane would be an understatement, so, fear of everything that was going on overtook her and she now hardcore believes in Russian propaganda. (she took it satire 2 years ago..) And sitting in front of the tv and watching it like it's nothing. With my life being completely taken away, and me knowing that all my friends are living their life out,, (she's also convincing me that I'm MENTALLY Russian even though i feel like im being gaslighted since i don't feel like that, it has been extremely difficult to "blend in" because i just don't get it, i spend my whole life in a completely different place...) and me having no fucking support here - even worse: I'm scared if i might say this to anyone, they would defend my mom because of worldview. For an example: The school "therapist" invalidated what i felt and when i asked them if they've EVER been in a situation like this - they replied with: Yes, i've been, i needed to move city's. It's clear they don't get it... I'm not your fucking suitcase that you can bring everywhere you want.. (cause that's all that happened so far.)
and things only escalated and escalated, NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.
im just sitting here, anxiously watching whatever the fuck happens next.
(This is an extremely shortened version of the story)
Thank you for reading this, it means a lot
Edit: Holy shit, i didnt expect the likes
So sorry to hear that. So you're in Russia now? The one good thing is you can't be drafted if you're a minor
Can you make your way out of the nation like Roman if you are not a minor?
Godspeed little dude
бросай мать и сваливай
Do you have a non Russian passport?
My boy back from vacation, got the Hawaiian shirt drip, AND mental health game on point? Glad to see you doing better Roman. 👍
I only imagine the stress of the innocence forced into this 😓. warm wishes from Ohlstadt 🇩🇪
One of my friends knows someone who was drafted in Russia last week. The situation is scary for anyone in that position. I hope for a peaceful end for both sides, despite the fact that I believe it is highly unlikely.
The only 2 options to end this war is either a balkanization of russia, or a 1917-styled civil war.
Ukrainian victory is confirmed, the question is not if, but which date the victory would be achieved?
However, after the war ends, you'd see horror scenes in Donetsk, Mariupol, Melitopol, and every territory occupied by russia for a long time, because you'd find some mass graves of massacred Ukrainians, as how there are ottoman era Greek mass graves in Cappadocia perpetrated by turks.
I hope the Ukrainian intelligence learns from Armenia and Israel (especially Israel) to hunt russian war criminals down like the Jews did to the black september terror group and eichmann, because the world will fail them in doing justice by hunting russian war criminals down just like how they failed to do so to all german and co. war criminals after their genocidal campaign against Jews, and just like how they failed to do so to turkish and kurdish war criminals after the tri-genoicde against Assyrians, Greeks and Armenians (in which Soghomon Tehlirian took the matter into his own hands (rightfully) to assassinate the bloodthirsty talaat pasha).
But the trolls keep telling me that isn't happening.
@@ananmuadi31 Bro, if the balkanization of a country is the best case scenario, then you done fucked up
US Arms manufacturers making too much money and they all got their hands in the cookie jar
@@josephhudson8829 russia should just go home then if its so good for america, they are the ones that could end this tomorrow. 🤷♂
Today my girlfriend was crossing the border from Vladikavkaz, they did not let her in Georgia, as her father is a military guy in Russia. It's F ed up.
"It can't get any worse"
Putin: "Hold my potato"
*...hot potato. 😐
"Hold my stolen toilet seat"
"Hold my 60k custom made italian designer winter jacket"
where did he get the potato from?
@@jonisalmela2399 Lukashenko
"i'm going on vacation, my passport is in order and i'm not drafted"
border guard "have you checked your email......now?"
"....."
I feel so sorry for the people of Russia, they deserves a better destiny than what Putin is giving them. It feels like Kremlin is turning the whole country to a big detention camp. It's scary and sad. You're in my praires, just like the people of Ukraine is in them.
Medvedev's kid was removed from the drafting lists. A shocker.
They did this shit in the US during the Vietnam War. Poor people were drafted and the rich had exceptions written just for them
My grandparents left Ukraine (they were from former Poland territory) in the 60s because of Russia. Luckily they're not here anymore to see this insanity still going on nowadays
russia hasnt changed one bit
How the hell did the World 🌎 end up in this situation? Vladdy!!!
I am afraid we are witnessing something terrible that is yet to come...
That depends on there your looking from. From inside Russia things will be looking really bleak but looking in from the outside and witnessing the end of the Russkiy Mir is a wonderful thing to behold, because the docile and obedient Slaves and Serfs of Russia only have themselves to blame.
@@Cannon_Fodder_Russians It's true. They love their chains.
@@Cannon_Fodder_Russians are you not familiar with a human concept of *fear of reprisal?* Or are you just enjoying your life in a secure glass house?
People in Russia didn't *choose* to not do anything, they were *told and enforced* that they can't do or choose anything. When all you have is sticks and stones versus machinegun lines, tear gas and riot gear, no amount of killed civilians will amount to anything
This isn't US where every second person owns an AR-15
We've been witnessing something terrible since Feb 24th 2022
Когда я рос в России в 80х-90х, ещё тогда ходила поговорка которая гласила, "Закон как дышло, куда подул туда и вышло."
When I was growing up in Russia in the 1980s - 90s. There was a saying that went something like, "The law is like bellows, wherever you blow it, that's where it will go."
Классная поговорка
вот только дышло это оглобли лошадиные, не "bellows" а "harness", и во всех поговорках "куда воротишь" или "куда повернешь", туда и вышло. В мехах кузнечных собственно нет варианта куда дуть, все равно выйдет в одном месте, а вот оглобли куда повернешь, туда телега и поедет, в этом и смысл поговорки. Банально неправильный смысл приведен
Islam is the truth come to islam
Я сам его часто использую, прекрасно описывает то, что происходит с законом в России(
@@embraceislamandeventuallyy1006 sounds like you guys are desperate for fanclub members
Shared on facebook in America, and I got ground news. As always thanks for all you do
So far the goals of the special military operation are being achieved. Most of Russia’s military equipment has been de-militarized in Ukraine, also most of Russia’s Nazi‘s have been de-nazified there too. Keep up the good work, Russia 👍
Lol de militarized and de Nazified 😂 that’s definitely a Special Military Operation.
@@HectorGonzalez-fz6wsUkraine's own SMO, clearing out the orcs and wagnerites
bro how much are they paying you?? might have to move to russia to get that govt money
@@pancake7408 bro you should learn how to read
Sit down, you are drunk.
I really just wanna point out how much I love it when Roman cuts to a zoom-in shot with a black and white filter whenever he says something sarcastic, dramatic and/or full of existential dread lmao
Amount of people that are randomly going to break their arm in Russia: 📈📈📈📈📈📈📈
Well, after 20 years of "not being interested in politics" the time of dieing has come.
If I were you, I'd get my family out and never bother stepping foot in Russia again. That place is probably only going to get worse even after Putin is gone.
Comments like these are truly the cherry on the cake that is this channel
@@MrJemoederopeenstokj what do you mean?
His family is pro putin, it will be difficult to get them out of Russia
If only it was that easy
@@pezvonpez He means you ain't seen nothing yet
I am calm. I am not from Russia, i dont live in Russia, i am not Russian, I am not going to be drafted in Russia, i dont die in Russia , Bakchmut or any other part of Ukraine.
I am from relevant, normal country.
So I am calm.
Russians on the other hand... hell, how many were happy when in 2014 r Crimea was annexed ?
Now they dont seem to be that happy anymore.
I'm from Poland. Russians like you give me hope that something would change some day... Because right now it's pure madness... Any Ukrainian right here - you'll win your war soon 🇺🇦🇵🇱
Дай Бог
Remember the one political opposition of Putin that got jailed and poisoned?
And Russian has an internal security force (that's larger than many European active military), and their sole purpose is to silence any potential uprising.
There is no hope.
sure
Dear Polish people, thank you for all the assistance and kindness you are giving to Ukrainians. My grandparents came to the US from Poland, except it wasn't actually Poland at that time because, well, you know, BUT they spoke Polish and considered themselves as being Polish and their children spoke Polish. I hope to visit Poland soon to experience your beautiful country. Thank you again!
I'm gay. People like Roman give me hope that Poland & Russia will stop hating gays
“Just because you don’t take an interest in politics, doesn’t mans politics won’t take an interest in you.”
Niki Proshin was talking about this recently! I'm glad he got out when he did.
He really did get out of Russia in the 11th hour! We were so many telling him for a long time to get out, and even more so with the news of the mobilization in September. It was such a huge relief when he posted the video that he (finally) left Russia!
If i was living in Russia even after all the Warnings been given to me to leave, I would hope people get the message that Putin will make up any laws to throw people into a meatgrinder war, at this point go radio silent with electronics to avoid the draft lol.
It doesn't matter if you actually receive draft letters. So radio silence won't help
You can‘t even go silent. Goverment will restrict you from leaving the country, making operations with your property, renting it, you can‘t open a buisnes, or register as self employed. That will happen even if you did not check anything they send, just after a button press you have to come in 20 days or your rights are taken
That won't change the fact that you have mail
@Thomasov Nah man, go underground. Become molepeople
@Thomasov That's basically living like a lone caveman in a harsh climate. 90% of modern people will be dead after the first winter. You probably have better chances in Bakhmut. And building a cabin is not a quick/easy/cheap thing to do, most Russian people won't have resources for that
7 moths later and its still a terrible situation and draftees are still being disappeared on the front.
I'm glad you're not recruited Roman, and thanks for sharing this information. I hope this war ends, but I also fear that conflicts outside of Ukraine are inevitable now. From Taiwan, to the Himelayans, and the Far East (ie: Siberia) being a probable target for Chinese expansion; I fear more millitary operations for all nations within Asia will be the new norm, for Asia, as a whole.
Putin is in his COD Villain phase
except Makarov managed to invade all the way to Washington DC and Paris
More like Red Alert villain at this point.
@@sneezy3233 They went the long way round, THROUGH EUROPE to invade America on the Eastern Seaboard. Russia can't even invade 1 (ONE) COUNTRY NEXT TO THEM
@@barracuda6900 At least Soviet Union managed to capture most parts of Europe in Red Alert 3.
@@rishisaini5269 The Soviet Union in Red Alert is what Putin thinks his Russia is.
This is so much worse than the first mobilization
Reminds me of Fascist Germany scraping the barrel to fill reservist quotas
+Trevor the Trilby
As a German Historian working for the "IFZ" in Munich. Your point is right, but definitely not nearly as bad as it was in the 3rd Reich towards the End.
But let's wait, we might just get that far in the next 1-2 Years
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
That's exactly what it looks like.
@@chartreux1532 Putlerjungend is coming
The difference is many Germans really wanted to fight for Hitler.
Now in Russia even people who support the war (sorry, SFO) are mostly not that eager to go to the front.
@@waltch5711 Putleryouth is already existing since 2015...
It's Called Yunarmiya.
Looks like scouts on the outside but in reality they're telling Children and teenagers how wonderful serving in the glorious Russian army and dying for Russia is.
So Putler definitely planed everything in advance with his propaganda machine.
The Russian government continues to slowly boil the frog
My mind took this literally before i knew it, and the scene was glorious
Roman got that St. Petersburg Night Club owner drip 😂😂
Honestly, i am "limited годен" to the military and have a voyenny bilet(due to my diabetes), living abroad for years and but still not feeling safe as im on the "list" still. Just assume it's gonna happen to you and mid yourself, don't go back. Russia is closed for me until the war is over.
No offense but even after that I feel there's gonna be fallout...
I don't want to crush you soul but I would just write off Russia as goner.
I know it hurts, if this happened to Poland I don't know what I would do - get rope or grab rifle and try to storm parliament...
@@mariuszmoraw3571 I like that way of looking at it... it y'know... 'could' happen to any country... I suppose my country and Japan and Germany etc... Italy.. etc etc, we've gone through these phases... but who knows... all it takes is for the right few people to lose their minds... and everything gets all ruined and crazy.
My goal has always been to immigrate... and i'm not set is stone as to where.
Things can always get worse.. well.. except for Ukrainians right now... or Yemenis... or Palestinians.. hmmm... and I hear Myanmars not doing so great.... oh and I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the dali lama either lol... haha... ahhhh that'd be the worst.
... I'd rather be a Ukrainian child than a child anywhere near the dali lama. Crazy times.
But fine words and sentiments nonetheless.
Although less rope and more cheesing it, or the rifle and resistance idea.
It doesn't "just" apply to conscripts. Not presumably, not apparently, not otherly. This new law affects "Povestka" (Summons) as a LEGAL TERM. It also applies to letters sent out when you're 16 to get registered with their database, it applies to mobilization letters, they are also called "Povestka" and even in peace, you may get "Povestka" just to update your info with them
You do realize that every country with mandatory military service has a similar system, don’t you? Actually the Russian system is mind boggling in how easy its to evade military service by just changing residence. I’m in Greece an EU/NATO country and I’m telling you right now that Roman’s little asthma excuse would not fly and he would serve either like it or not or else the state would basically destroy his life.
Russia is not at all in a full scale mobilisation and most of the conscript of last year are still on training or are somewhere in the back. The trops at the front are mostly wagnerites and elite trops from Russia. It is much worse on the ukrainian side.
@@angeurbain6129 What are you trying to do? Ruin Roman’s vacation funding? We are supposed to believe that at any moment he will be forced out of the train and join a human wave charging bahmut with rusty shovels.
In seriousness you are right. Up to this point the conscripted Russians are nowhere to be seen in any contact line, actually that’s the big question of every analyst, where are they and when will they be deployed. From what I understand they called only reservists, not fresh recruits and only a small percentage with battle experience from previous conflicts (mainly Syria) were deployed to fill in the ranks of battle units. I’m guessing that some of them might opted for Wagner because they would prefer to be in a more professional and better equipped unit, than being in an army unit with inexperienced personnel.
When I was in the army, we had a captain that was completely crazy about training exercises etc, but he was also the first that would do what he asked us. We all hated him and would prefer to have one of the other chill out type officers. We also all agreed that if the shit hit the fan we would like to be with THAT guy.
@@angeurbain6129 or-so-they-say. It's all elite troops and wagnerists until a conscript shows up in POW camp
@@joek600 I do in fact. And I'm not defending any of those countries either. But two wrongs don't make one right and it's a terrible excuse to have
Putin never heard of Fight or Flight right?
If people cant escape they will revolt.
Glad to see you keeping your head up and getting to go and visit Thailand, Roman. I think the vast majority of us Western viewers can’t even begin to imagine how horrendous might feel, draft notice or not.
If my country is at war I don't go on holiday to Thailand. I think that says enough about the "I don't care" mentality.
@@darrenwendell1723 I don't know what country you're from, but when America was at war for 20 years straight (until we bolted out of Afghanistan like a thief in the night), millions of us went on vacation every single day.
Will average Russians (in particular men) continue to say "I'm apolitical" "I'm not well informed about war" "I try to don't follow politics" after this?
All nations start bending and twisting the law when it comes to military stuff...
Putin behaves like a final boss of a video game that spawns countless random enemies against the player.
...and he loses. Because final bosses always lose, one way or another.
yes my fellow simple brain. that is exactly like you see it.
A mob boss.
Glad you were able to get out to Thailand. I know you've mentioned in other videos you were feeling trapped, so glad that there are still countries you can freely travel to!
Bruh he's in Georgia.
How did he even get to Thailand? Did he buy a citizenship or did Georgia finally consider him a digital nomad?
@@AlexanderVonMalachi No bruh he's in Thailand.
@@ferretyluv None of the above.
i hope you enjoyed your holiday while Ukrainians were slaughtered.
Going to shout out for the sponsorship - I actually really appreciate Ground news. Totally shocked, but there it is. It works. Very cool.
got this news yesterday and yes it sounds really bad!
Hope you are still safe!
Because 1 other youtuber (Dima) went back to Russia some days ago (we all warned him not to do it, but he did...) and 1 or 2 days later he got a letter to being mobilized...
If this is true, I'm sorry for Dima but he became the victim of his own stupidity. Whoever Russian heads back to Russia believing in the Kremlin's fairytales is simply brain dead and can't be helped. I told Russian bloggers I know and care for already in the early months to be ready to quit the country quickly if things get worse, cuz I was 100% certain they would close the borders. Some of them made it out just in time. I highly recommend Russians believe Western "propaganda" cuz we simply know better.
I don't think Roman is that dumb. In his place I wouldn't put a toe back into the motherland before Putin's 2m under.
Why did he go back tho?
@@MrJemoederopeenstokj Russians have the right to stay only 1 year abroad in neighbouring countries like Georgia and Kazakhstan. It's not their choice really
@@Alias_Anybody He isn't, and he clearly said it. Not all are that wise, though. And the ones that were dumb enough to stay cuz they thought "it doesn't concern me" will bitterly regret their decision. There will be a big awakening for many Russians, when they finally realize what is truly happening and that they may become disposable fuel for the meat grinder.
Tsar Putler..... wow. I'd still say his approval ratings are still 101%
Thanks once again brother. Always seem to be the light at the end of the tunnel for me
I hope you are not drafted Roman. My father was drafted to go to Vietnam, another bogus war, just out of high school. Luckly the war ended before he could ship out and potentially loose his life.
frankly, I worry about that too. Sure, for now he doesn't get drafted due to medical exemption, but let the war run long enough and the standards are going to drop far enough, that this won't exempt anymore.
He lives in Georgia now. Even if they draft him the Russian state can’t get to gim
@@MrJimheeren Actually if he was living in my country, he would be immediately arrested once he set foot on the country again for evading the mandatory army service. He would be free to return only after becoming 35 years old, and even then a huge fine would have to be paid. Russia is crazy relaxed with its recruiting system.
I don't think Georgia has a extradition treaty with Russia. Georgia HATES Russia
Don’t you kind of want to go find all the people who said this wasn’t going to happen last year and shake them ? Just volunteers and people with military training are going to be called up right ? Remember that ?
Some people are just so incredibly naive huh. They never ever believe you.
what a *SHOCKING* development...
who could have FORESEEN this? nobody
😗
New russian motto: Run for your life!
New Ukrainian motto : " A day without TANK FRIED Orc is a day wasted ".
Funny how a few months ago, Russia was like:
"Everyone must c'mon down to the recruitment office. Nothing at all to worry about. We just want to update your contact information."
How often must Russians get screwed over, before they realize their worst enemy is their own government?
it would take many generations to fix their stupidity
A submissive sheep is quite the find for a wolf.
Apparently most Russians can take a lot of shit piled upon them ! It's the fake smile that gets me !
They understand well enough. They just can't do nothing about it
I tell people time and time again - when civilians are standing against military grade equipment, the former will simply die and achieve nothing, instilling fear of reprisal into others who would dare try.
You speak up? Jail
You speak up and try something? You disappear
Russian citizens are *severely underequipped* to fight those in power
People have realised, but if the wages are low then mobility to escape a government is low, and many of the 'Russians' are from already conquered territories of Ukraine and Georgia who had their passports taken away too, from 2014. This is like blaming American kids on the number of school shootings
Holy sh*t, your channel absolutely exploded. Im overjoyed by your success, Roman. Keep rockin it 🎸
I wonder if Russia's state motto is "but wait, there is more!"
DAMN ROMAN... I remember a couple years ago when yer family helped vouch for you in order to AVOID being conscripted through a medical discharge. That sh1t probably saved yer life bruh! Seriously... so glad yer here on TH-cam providing a 1st hand account on what's REALLY going on in Russia. Much 💛from South Florida USA
The good thing is that if you get the email, you cannot return to Russia, cause you cannot cross the Russian border and you're already out 😂
I wonder if this will cause a second wave of people running for the hills like the first "partial mobilization" did.
I'm not a Moskovian, so me living in Russia state won't change. Simply because I don't have money to leave. And I won't surrender to them either. So basically it's self-defending suicide fight coming.
You had better leave from Russia without thoughts
I know of a dumb volunteer for the motherland ….left in September in Ukraine in October, and not heard from since. 40 years old and had military training when he was a late teen into 20s. Been a car salesman so they Made him a platoon leader….I think the military training gets you promoted.
10:20 considering that both conscripts and prisoners are already being forced to give their lives to private companies like Wagner, this is already not a hypothetical, but a reality.
Thanks to recent events, Roman is basically Russian Laowhy at this point.
true. Both had to leave.
They're doing great, everything is under control, nothing to look here
Trust the Plan! Z!!!🇷🇺
Everybody will be drafted except the sons of the Dumas and Kreml boys 🥶🥶
I subscribed to Ground News because of the info you gave on line. It is indeed informative. Thank you for this tip to hear and read for ourselves the news from many sources. Love your channel and how you keep us in the " God forsaken West" updated. God bless you and your life Roman. You remain in my prayers.
This reminds me of Starship Trooper, where you were sent to die in a war with aliens. If you refused service you basically became a second class citizen
You are not even a Citizen then. Only Service grants Citizenship. Which didn´t seemed to be the Case as Ricos Parents didn´t served and they had a pretty good Lifestyle.
Yes. You're right. "Welcome to the Russkiy Mir it's a complete SH!TSHOW".
Subject. You remain a Subject.
This happens pretty much in every country with mandatory military service, Russia in fact is surprisingly relaxed. If my country was involved in a conflict, no way all these caravans of military service evaders would be allowed out.
@@joek600 May I ask which country you are from?
Smuggling will be a lucrative business in Russia now! Smuggling out that is.
Put a frog in hot water and he will sense the danger and jump out immediately.
Put a frog in cold water and slowly raise the temperature and he will stay until he eventually boils alive.
That is what the kremlin does with russian people at the moment.
The hope that everything will turn out to be okay lets them stay for the moment, longer, too long, until the moment comes where all hope is gone.
I check my emails like once a month, I'd be a dead man and not even know it haha
These are real reasons regime in Russia must be stopped.
Now that Roman had a glimpse of the void, he just can't look back
Not even Florida and Ohio can compare to the randomness of Russia.
So true...
There's a one way door at the draft office like the MEATGRINDER you go in but you don't come out😂😂. Victory to Ukraine Australia is with you 🇺🇦🇦🇺🇺🇦🇦🇺🇺🇦🇦🇺
In one of his videos, Zach, another Russian TH-camr said, "Russia is gonna be free some day." Perhaps, but not today.
When you think about it, its pretty sad. Throughout their history russians have never been truly free
If this continues it's going to be free of inhabitants.
I'm still astonished that people don't realise that they will die on the frontline regardless when they get drafted, it's death either way and there is nothing left to lose so might as well die fighting the cowards who force you to die by another's hand for their own personal gain.
What do you propose they do? Surrender is the best course of action, but even that is dubious on the battlefield where blood runs hot and people act quickly. Perhaps there is a warped logic to dying fighting your government instead, but I think most of these people would prefer not dying at all haha.
@@jeffsyndrome4812 You die either way, either on the frontline or by the government. You either die for the government or die against it, hoping you'd be that lucky drop that will dodge and come out unscathed is the equivalent of hoping you'd win the lottery with one ticket.
@@jeffsyndrome4812 The warped logic is you organize a resistance & fight to free your country from tyranny so that future generations can experience a better one. A lot of democratic revolutions came from fighting authoritative figureheads.
You forget that if they will fight their government, they will not have literally anyone on their side to help. Ukranains doesn't care, they want all russians dead. Europe and US don't really care about them too. Their government ofcourse just will kill them on sight. You alone against the whole world and you also have relative who can get hurt. Imagine yourself in such position. It requires very special state of mind
I don't see Russians doing it, sorry. Ukrainians did it on Maidan in 2014 but Russians would rather flee.
In Soviet Russia- no no… it’s Putin’s Russia now 😌
I love the fact they have to force people to fight the war…. Wouldnt it be better not to have a war for no reason what so ever.
Like they care about people
so called russian goddamned federation never disappoints us
Someone should hack that draft database.
Maybe send Putin a summons.