@@BahamaLlamaCoral Did you remember to add the diffraction coefficient to get the corrected PAR values? reefbuilders.com/2016/09/20/apogee-webpage-corrects-underwater-par-measurement/
@@ReefBuildersVideo Hey, I see in your article you say the spreadsheet (calculator) can be downloaded but cannot find the URL to do so. Any chance you have either the file or the URL where I can get it?
Nicely done video. I agree with Jim that knowing is half the battle. The par meter is one of those tools that comes in very handy when trying to find the lighting needs of different corals.
Great video! Over the weekend I decided to check PAR over my 180g. Well.... I had a few spots with 800-1000PAR. Some sps were fine with it, and some always looked a little off, now I know why. I reduced my kessils to 70% and spread them around more. So check your par and stop guessing. It is as important as knowing your alk, ca, and mag.
I know SPS reefers that do really well with super HIGH PAR. I'm not there with my experience yet so like everything in the hobby I just take it slow. Thanks for the watch!
Great video! It is amazing how bad our eyes are at evaluating PAR. First time I did a PAR reading was a real eye opener. Now I won't even put a coral into my new build until i get a PAR reading to see where I need to place corals.
True about the LFS, when I first got back into the hobby, I made my rounds to all the LFS. You can see the new ones have tons of frags and equipment and are super organized and clean and bright, and I found was cheaper in a lot of things than some of these online places. The old ones are still dark and messy and the livestock doesn't look so healthy but people still prefer going to the LFS first.
Great information!! (Sorry, the earlier ? was a typo) Were you running the Primes at the highest % levels? That seems like very low par. Mine is 8” over my small frag tank. I’m guilty of not renting a meter. I will now. RTFM Thx!!
@@BahamaLlamaCoral Thanks!! boosting my Prime to 53 watts, with the four low color channels at max % and the white at 60%, has brought out much better extension in my Acros. It's a strong little light at full power.
I got the Seneye monitor and was shocked that the $29 light I have on one of my tanks (Aquatop Nano LED) puts out insane PAR levels. 900 up top and 450 on the sand bed at highest setting. My other lights are just what I expected but for some reason that supposedly 11 watt light is way more powerful than my other LED lights.
Just purchased the 25 lagoon and I'm of course trying to decide on the million dollar question: what lighting to use. Since it is such a uniquely shaped tank this makes things more complicated? Maybe? So I guess my question to you would be, do you think 2 AI Primes would be strong enough to grow SPS?
For the lagoon? Yes. 2 would be plenty for a lagoon. SPS in a small tank is gonna be more about keeping parameters steady and less about light. I have lots of acro's under primes!
Super awesome video Where have BRS "verified" that SPS are good between 200 and 350? I know they say that all the time and maybe that is what WWC say but Mike Palleta recently said he interviewed the top 20 SPS reefers and all of them had PAR over 400 I think. Battlecorals and Bil from Epic Aquaculture (recently on ReefBum) also talk about needing more PAR. Even Dana Riddle went and sampled PAR in a bunch of tanks for different Acros and many are under 200 but also there are a few over even 600 PAR. Coral Eurphoria also has a great PAR episode and he was hitting mostly 500-600. Now I know BRS says that each time but I cannot recall an experiment where they actually worked that out. I'm not saying BRS is wrong but I would rather listen to the best acro growers on that. I think even Telegram has his homewrecker under 700PAR. BRS is awesome but I think they have been wrong on a lot of things. Sorry for the rant but I feel like if BRS says something everyone instantly takes it as fact. I hope this is taken the right way Remi because I love your vids mate
Most of my SPS live at 200-350, so personal experience suggests those numbers work. I have three pieces at 450ish, but they are the test corals (Dead Disney, blue tenuis and an unnamed acro). I know skilled reefers who run higher PAR than me, but their colors are no better. My personal opinion is that it comes down to specific tanks. I can color up most anything at 300PAR, which is where my Home Wrecker lives, and a Disney in a stable system will grow well at 100PAR. It’ll just be green. As with most anything reefing related, YMMV, but those are solid any budget PAR targets.
@@telegraham Thanks Jim ;) Yeah after watching this I think I will try to hit those solid PAR numbers ;) Maybe I will scale up from there. I am also going to get that 470nm light - probably order tonight ;) After this I am also trying to borrow a PAR meter. I would get the Seneye but I'm on the Beta Tester list for the Seneye Coral and I'm really hanging for that (although I think it will be another 6 months;)
Thank for jumping in here Jim. I know I'm not a top 20 sps reefer so I won't be venturing past 350 for now. That, and I just have too many other species in the frag tank. I need separate systems...bummer...more tanks. 😂 Thanks for the watch Sunny!
@@BahamaLlamaCoral Thanks Remy ;) Yeah sorry LOL. I know that wasn't the point of your video and it was REALLY about getting people to know their levels but for some strange reason my evil twin couldn't help it ;) I mean halfway through the video I also messaged my buddy and emailed my local store to see if I could get a PAR meter ;)
He'll yeah thanksbfor getting back, keep you the great job, your viedos kick ass, ps whatever happen to bens nems site never works he ok, seems like you guys were friends
Bahama Llama Coral After watching some zoa vids of yours I was inspired to use some extra covid cash on buying a 500 dollar single polyp of Grand Master Krakatoa from unique corals, my tank has a zoa colony that is doing great. I would hope to frag it in the future. Is this a terrible idea? Is there a high end zoa that may take off worth “investing” in or am I dumb?
I’ve always wanted to measure my par but never got around to it Because just like most reefers my corals look great and I have great growth not to mention the price of the meter I was unaware you can rent one in going to have to look into that
Shouldn’t you do a par reading with the flow on for a more real life reading? I did mine and was getting 375 with flow off and an average of 320 with flow on.
That's a good question. I was told to perform the measurements with flow off...however, I thought afterward about how the light is always traveling through turbulent water. Everything I've seen is back and forth with opinions...typical forum stuff...some say it doesn't matter either way, the numbers won't be too different. However, that's not true in your case.
Good question!! It was actually in line at Disney World. I think we were about to see the Little Mermaid show? Lots of time to think in those lines, lol. That was also where the IG channel was born.
Awesome video, great info and demo in here, thank you and telegraham! Perfect timing, about to roll up my sleeves with a PAR meter as well! 👍
A bit of advice...read the manual or have Jim come over and help, lol.
RTFM for the log function ;-)
LOL! I had a feeling I'd get busted for SOMETHING. Thanks for the watch Jake!
@@BahamaLlamaCoral Did you remember to add the diffraction coefficient to get the corrected PAR values? reefbuilders.com/2016/09/20/apogee-webpage-corrects-underwater-par-measurement/
@@ReefBuildersVideo No, this is good stuff! Thank you for sharing. Learning new things everyday!
Your collab literally mentions it in your own video @2:47
@@ReefBuildersVideo Hey, I see in your article you say the spreadsheet (calculator) can be downloaded but cannot find the URL to do so. Any chance you have either the file or the URL where I can get it?
Nicely done video. I agree with Jim that knowing is half the battle. The par meter is one of those tools that comes in very handy when trying to find the lighting needs of different corals.
Absolutely! It's nice to have a grasp on what those numbers are now.
Thanks Remy!!! And Jim 😁
Such a great collaboration love all the knowledge Jim has to offer on lighting 👌
Yeah, he's quickly becoming the goto dude for lighting in the hobby.
Great video! Over the weekend I decided to check PAR over my 180g. Well.... I had a few spots with 800-1000PAR. Some sps were fine with it, and some always looked a little off, now I know why. I reduced my kessils to 70% and spread them around more. So check your par and stop guessing. It is as important as knowing your alk, ca, and mag.
I know SPS reefers that do really well with super HIGH PAR. I'm not there with my experience yet so like everything in the hobby I just take it slow. Thanks for the watch!
Great video! It is amazing how bad our eyes are at evaluating PAR. First time I did a PAR reading was a real eye opener. Now I won't even put a coral into my new build until i get a PAR reading to see where I need to place corals.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. My new build will be monitored very closely!
When/where is your new build going to be? Peninsula as room divider?
Great video :), well edited like always!
Thanks!!
True about the LFS, when I first got back into the hobby, I made my rounds to all the LFS. You can see the new ones have tons of frags and equipment and are super organized and clean and bright, and I found was cheaper in a lot of things than some of these online places. The old ones are still dark and messy and the livestock doesn't look so healthy but people still prefer going to the LFS first.
Nice video thanks for the info I have a 20 nuvo also love the T-shirt 😎👌🏽
I use the ai prime light, love the videos
Are there no cheap par meters you can buy on amazon, i think brs charges a couple hundred bucks to rent?
Im in canada so 30 % more.
Gr8 video thanks
Did you ever do a second video on fragging the Scoly
I gave a brief update in one of the videos a couple weeks after. They are both still alive and well. SUPER SLOW growers though.
Never have done that myself but do far the corals look great so hopefully they are good
Great information!! (Sorry, the earlier ? was a typo) Were you running the Primes at the highest % levels? That seems like very low par. Mine is 8” over my small frag tank. I’m guilty of not renting a meter. I will now. RTFM Thx!!
No, I think the highest value I was running was 65% - I've started to ramp up the middle light for the sps now.
@@BahamaLlamaCoral Thanks!! boosting my Prime to 53 watts, with the four low color channels at max % and the white at 60%, has brought out much better extension in my Acros. It's a strong little light at full power.
Walt Disney looks green most of the time. I have a colony in my tank. You get the pink and purples once you start using filters to filter out the blue
Go check out @Telegraham on Instagram - He's got a couple colonies that look crazy with or without a filter.
I got the Seneye monitor and was shocked that the $29 light I have on one of my tanks (Aquatop Nano LED) puts out insane PAR levels. 900 up top and 450 on the sand bed at highest setting. My other lights are just what I expected but for some reason that supposedly 11 watt light is way more powerful than my other LED lights.
That's good to know!
Just purchased the 25 lagoon and I'm of course trying to decide on the million dollar question: what lighting to use. Since it is such a uniquely shaped tank this makes things more complicated? Maybe? So I guess my question to you would be, do you think 2 AI Primes would be strong enough to grow SPS?
For the lagoon? Yes. 2 would be plenty for a lagoon. SPS in a small tank is gonna be more about keeping parameters steady and less about light. I have lots of acro's under primes!
What are the light fixtures for you t5 single bulbs?
Super awesome video
Where have BRS "verified" that SPS are good between 200 and 350? I know they say that all the time and maybe that is what WWC say but Mike Palleta recently said he interviewed the top 20 SPS reefers and all of them had PAR over 400 I think. Battlecorals and Bil from Epic Aquaculture (recently on ReefBum) also talk about needing more PAR. Even Dana Riddle went and sampled PAR in a bunch of tanks for different Acros and many are under 200 but also there are a few over even 600 PAR. Coral Eurphoria also has a great PAR episode and he was hitting mostly 500-600.
Now I know BRS says that each time but I cannot recall an experiment where they actually worked that out.
I'm not saying BRS is wrong but I would rather listen to the best acro growers on that. I think even Telegram has his homewrecker under 700PAR.
BRS is awesome but I think they have been wrong on a lot of things. Sorry for the rant but I feel like if BRS says something everyone instantly takes it as fact. I hope this is taken the right way Remi because I love your vids mate
Most of my SPS live at 200-350, so personal experience suggests those numbers work. I have three pieces at 450ish, but they are the test corals (Dead Disney, blue tenuis and an unnamed acro). I know skilled reefers who run higher PAR than me, but their colors are no better. My personal opinion is that it comes down to specific tanks. I can color up most anything at 300PAR, which is where my Home Wrecker lives, and a Disney in a stable system will grow well at 100PAR. It’ll just be green. As with most anything reefing related, YMMV, but those are solid any budget PAR targets.
@@telegraham Thanks Jim ;) Yeah after watching this I think I will try to hit those solid PAR numbers ;) Maybe I will scale up from there. I am also going to get that 470nm light - probably order tonight ;)
After this I am also trying to borrow a PAR meter. I would get the Seneye but I'm on the Beta Tester list for the Seneye Coral and I'm really hanging for that (although I think it will be another 6 months;)
Thank for jumping in here Jim. I know I'm not a top 20 sps reefer so I won't be venturing past 350 for now. That, and I just have too many other species in the frag tank. I need separate systems...bummer...more tanks. 😂 Thanks for the watch Sunny!
@@BahamaLlamaCoral Thanks Remy ;) Yeah sorry LOL. I know that wasn't the point of your video and it was REALLY about getting people to know their levels but for some strange reason my evil twin couldn't help it ;) I mean halfway through the video I also messaged my buddy and emailed my local store to see if I could get a PAR meter ;)
What do you like better, ai prime or xr 15 if you had to buy one for a LPS tank with some montis
Love the prime!
He'll yeah thanksbfor getting back, keep you the great job, your viedos kick ass, ps whatever happen to bens nems site never works he ok, seems like you guys were friends
The Andrew Baines Bernard of reefing
I've gotten that before!! lol! Thanks for the watch!
Bahama Llama Coral After watching some zoa vids of yours I was inspired to use some extra covid cash on buying a 500 dollar single polyp of Grand Master Krakatoa from unique corals, my tank has a zoa colony that is doing great. I would hope to frag it in the future. Is this a terrible idea? Is there a high end zoa that may take off worth “investing” in or am I dumb?
I’ve always wanted to measure my par but never got around to it Because just like most reefers my corals look great and I have great growth not to mention the price of the meter I was unaware you can rent one in going to have to look into that
Like Jim says, knowing is half the battle. It's good to know what the numbers are.
PAR??? More like A double bogey. Tighten up that swing son and make those coral pop. Thanks for another awesome video.
LOL!!! Thanks for the watch Hubert!
Does adding a acrylic lid affect par?
Mesh probably wouldn't affect it as much as a flat piece of acrylic. Anything you put between the light and the coral will affect par in some way.
As always, great video dude!
What setting do u have on ur hd primes
Do u hav any par readings for a kessil a160we?
I don't but I'm sure if you search around on TH-cam, somebody probably measured them. Maybe BRS?
@@BahamaLlamaCoral thanx 4 reply!
Did you take a reading on the pico?
Yep! Right about 80-100 on the pico. Perfect for what's in there.
What intensity are you running your primes at?
Where did you get your Walt Disney frag I've been looking for one for so long but I only find like 200$ ones.
👁👅👁
One from LFS and another I won at a frag swap! Small frags should be in the $50-75 range. Good luck! You'll run across one eventually!
Thanks!
They sell these awesome things called curtains , you should try em out lol
You mean you don't like the cardboard?! lol. It's kind of my signature now...not sure I can get rid of them. 😂
Shouldn’t you do a par reading with the flow on for a more real life reading? I did mine and was getting 375 with flow off and an average of 320 with flow on.
That's a good question. I was told to perform the measurements with flow off...however, I thought afterward about how the light is always traveling through turbulent water. Everything I've seen is back and forth with opinions...typical forum stuff...some say it doesn't matter either way, the numbers won't be too different. However, that's not true in your case.
Why not just prune it instead of dosing?
How did you come up with your name bahama lama?
Good question!! It was actually in line at Disney World. I think we were about to see the Little Mermaid show? Lots of time to think in those lines, lol. That was also where the IG channel was born.
Podyourreef.com has a cheaper rental then BRS
Good info!
Gotta lower those T5’s. They are not designed to be used that high over the tank.
9” range for T5 fixtures is the Sweet Spot Typically.
Don't tell me how to use them correctly...I'm looking for an excuse to get rid of them 😉 I kid, I kid!! Thanks for the watch Adam 😊
Second!
T5 does nothing less it’s six feet from the surface of the water fact