Coffee Potato wants Steadfast-flavored ramen. Thanks for the tips. I might be able to navigate this game after watching 60+ hours of secrets coverage. I've only had 10 so far. It's a huge, deep, rewarding game. Totally worth the learning curve to make yourself look boss around other nerds. "Check out my Shaman with the +1 everything with the dual Lightning/Wind debuff finisher ability stack card loot. And she's the weakest of the sisters the way I build 'em. Check out the maths."
I remember testing this. Guardian Force also ignores the Phalanx damage reduction. I've beaten a few enemy knights where, they popped Phalanx and Guardian Force at the same time, and I did damage to the other units to kill them.
@@chubbubdreamer6904 Hey, I lived there, black Friday was something to see. You don't see concrete barricades, riot cops, and APCS over toasters just anywhere 😂
Good stuff! I was very turned off by lack of movement and speed, but soon realized 1 or 2 guys with rampart aura 2 plus phalanx really gives you nice map control so your other units can do their thing better and more safely. And of it so happens there's a point to be choked in that particular map, you will be happy to have a knigth handy!
Exactly, and because their block works in a bubble, you can sometimes use one guy to block a huge chunk of the map (See the Phoenix shortcut in the Hanging Gardens).
Beautiful! Nothing I like more than going deep nerd and know everything about every single class! Love your video! PS: I remember these guys kinda sucked in the very first version of this game in the 90's.
Thank You kindly! Yeah, they were kinda odd, because they were the standard balanced fighter, while the Berserker was running around using higher Strength to get better defense. Given unit placements, loadouts and such, they were basically the Rune Fencer with only hitting abilities in the original.
@@CoffeePotato Indeed. Knight in that first TO game have absolutely NO skills, spells or abilities. Just attack with your sword unless you were equipping a weapon that included a special skillor giving them a skill granted by Roderick at Hell's Gate by the almost end of the game, and except for Fudo, those skills sucked anyway. Regardless, the first version remains my favorite despite of the remakes.
@@CoffeePotato I actually searched for it, but the result showed old videos from PSP days, I thought you haven't updated that series to reborn yet. Suddenly YT put it to my recommendation today, now its suggesting beast tamer one, I'll watch it next.
Aw, no cute little skeleton knight? What's up with the anthrocentrism? Kidding, but it's good to see knights are just as powerful as ever. I'm still looking forward to a Steelstance vs. Phalanx video for lords, since Steelstance doesn't turn off counterattacks.
Both the shadow auras I did not find myself using them often when they're first unlocked. I think the knight has just enough mp to deploy one throughout chapters 1-4 when fully charged mp. Although I'm late to sharing my ideas for the game, I think you'll find the shadow auras more useful later on like in the CODA chapters when your knight has respectable max mp. Without collecting the blue cards in the field, one tactic you can try to demonstrate the use of shadow auras is charging your knight's mp during the opening turn. That way you can advance your knight and begin setting up defenses out in the field with the auras. If there is one thing that I think all of us Tactics players are guilty of, it is being cheap with mp charging 😆. Solely relying on the natural mp charge per turn or actions.
True, and it's an interesting case in the other direction too, pairing a Cyclops with a Knight for Rampart/Stun as well as Spellcharge going to the knight to keep them running.
I can. But the difference is super minor next to attacking the right targets. Optimal growths may give you like 50 extra damage. By end game hitting on the right element can give 2-500 extra, breach can throw that even higher, fear, etc.
@@gaberielpendragon Shield Bash has the same scaling with STR/DEX as 1H Sword/Axe/Hammer/Spellbook Basic Attacks (1.8/1.3 Offense per point). The difference in damage between the two types of attacks is due to shields having slightly lower physical damage bonus values and noticeably lower ATK stats than the aforementioned 1H melee weapons.
@@gaberielpendragon With what kind of shield specifically are you noticing this phenomena (e.g. Kite/Baldur/Heater), and against what kind of enemy (e.g. Human/Monster/Undead)?
Any reason to contiue using Knights once you get White Knights and Terror Knights? They don't really seem as useful since those other classes do the area denial but also provide other utility like debuffs or haste for your team. If White Knights did not get healing spells I would probably still use Knights sometimes.
Knights are the best tanks in the game, they are great because they can take punishment from multiple units if positioned properly. It is just that because of guardian force they can protect others units even better when compared with the other tanky units. This class is a curious cause because the weaker you are damage wise, the better the knight is. This class is so good that there are some builds with bodysnatch that in theory would be great, but let just say once you get more experienced with reborn, you will not need a unit that strong defensively. Rampart shadow is the skill that best represents the knight as a class, great when you are weak and loses value when you are stronger. And another positive point about the class is because of the shield you can bash units out of rampart aura to halt movement even better, while any shield unit can bash, the knight is one of the best rampart aura users in this game.
Knights are something I personally barely run. For one, I just dislike the heavy armor open helmet look, which I know is such a shallow reason, but it's there. But the other reason is also that 90% of the time, my biggest issue holding the line is coming from range. In LUCT, enemy archers being super strong even without the whole breaching thing is the obvious reason, but even in Reborn, I find ranged enemies to be far more obnoxious, because regular knights just don't get targeted as much. I've been running Terror Knights as my area denial front line instead, in hopes that the lower defenses would actually divert attention better - and yeah, this works really well. Plus, they can block off enemies and then push through after their debuffs stick. Alternatively, I send in gryphons because they are fast, can fly to the archers instantly and ALSO draw attention to them because of their lack of armor or something. The other, admittedly kinda funny thing about them, is that Knight *is* usually my first choice to reclass to whenever I think my cleric could use some offensive application, but then I get so scared of getting into endlessly long undead battles by not having Exorcise (which definitely happened when I played the FFTA games as a kid so often to the point that I irrationally over-prepare against it) that I STILL don't end up running a knight. I still want to give knights another chance eventually, but so far, the poor guys always end up short for what I want them them to do. EDIT: btw, I *know* they are supposed to just lock off areas instead of actually drawing all attention to them (that will happen as a side effect anyway) but I always end up thinking "yeah, but locking away enemies doesn't matter if their much more troublesome archery club can just ignore that lock".
Fair enough, personally I've been loving the Golem/Knight combo lately for this reason. Golems attract more arrows than knights, plus can block more LoS because tallness. If you have them push forward and just lock down corners and such, they can prevent ranged units from ever even getting involved, it feels goooood.
@@CoffeePotato I actually tried the golem (Baldur, not sure if that makes a difference) now and yeah, this works REALLY well! I originally started running one because I got my first pumpkin and wanted a second target for Empower Golem (stacking Empower and Sanguine Assault on a cute little pumpkin is funny), but I didn't expect a wall this good! I also tried the regular knight a bit more and I actually like the class a lot more now. For one, they really do take a LOT less damage than my terror knights (the difference is way bigger than I expected), but I also became very fond of shield bashing enemies to knock them away, which I can't really do on most TK setups. The shield bashes usually deal a surprising amount of damage too, which is very strange (feels like they ignore armor at least in part or something) but very welcome.
@@justsomejojo There was some technical breakdown of the shield thing, something like they apply their attack bonus twice or something, but they do great in a lot of situations, it's really reliable. Fun note, it looks like footing decides Knockback chance, since it seems like having Swamy or wet footing results in less chance of Knockback.
Very interesting. I would have thought wet and swampy or other generally unstable ground would make knockbacks easier. Going by real world logic at least. The fact that shields apparently get this unique damage formula is really cool. Kinda makes me want to go and do a shield only roadblock character. Bit of a shame they lost the status immunities and parries from PSP though. Made them feel like actual shields.
@@justsomejojo That's what I was thinking for ages too, and would still love to see the Resists return on shields, but it's kinda cool to see monsters shining how they are now.
Elemental Temples, each boss gives you 3 of the end game crafting books. Those are set drops, and realistically you should go through all of them at least once to get those. I believe it was water or ice that dropped it, but again, just make it a round trip.
Completely different roles, I don't think they compare at all. Knight is Area Denial, Dragoon is Anti Heavy. Knight is more universally applicable, Dragoon is a little more niche, and has fewer side functions. They do get Pincer on Scorpions, which is guaranteed with Slayer.
as a new player i have had a rough time finding class explanations and builds. i really appreciate these videos
Glad to help, more to come!
Knights are the traffic policemen of the game.
Thanks for the upload.
Coffee Potato wants Steadfast-flavored ramen. Thanks for the tips. I might be able to navigate this game after watching 60+ hours of secrets coverage. I've only had 10 so far. It's a huge, deep, rewarding game. Totally worth the learning curve to make yourself look boss around other nerds. "Check out my Shaman with the +1 everything with the dual Lightning/Wind debuff finisher ability stack card loot. And she's the weakest of the sisters the way I build 'em. Check out the maths."
Plus every build makes you sound like a lunatic when describing it, which is extra fun.
I remember testing this. Guardian Force also ignores the Phalanx damage reduction. I've beaten a few enemy knights where, they popped Phalanx and Guardian Force at the same time, and I did damage to the other units to kill them.
True, it's really handy to take out Ozma in Mag 12.
The fight with Hektor was giving me a lot of problems until I brought in 3 knights to shield bash all of the low mobility units into the pits.
I believe that's known as the "LAPD Gambit".
@Coffee Potato That's...damn That's on the nose.
@@chubbubdreamer6904 Hey, I lived there, black Friday was something to see. You don't see concrete barricades, riot cops, and APCS over toasters just anywhere 😂
@@CoffeePotato They see Black Friday and call in the Shield Helicarrier
@@chubbubdreamer6904 Truth.
Another blessed, informative TOR video. Love the thumbnail pick with the M and F Warriors running in the market isle and the Knight on the back. 😂
I'm convinced retirees at the grocery store rock rampart aura, there is no other explanation.
love the thumbnail
Thank You 🙂
Pouring a coffee, been waiting all week for this one! 🙌☕️🛡️
Glad to amuse, hope it was worth it!
Really loving this series!
Can't wait for the Rune Fencer!
Soon! Currently redoing it because of a really dumb idea.
Good stuff! I was very turned off by lack of movement and speed, but soon realized 1 or 2 guys with rampart aura 2 plus phalanx really gives you nice map control so your other units can do their thing better and more safely. And of it so happens there's a point to be choked in that particular map, you will be happy to have a knigth handy!
Exactly, and because their block works in a bubble, you can sometimes use one guy to block a huge chunk of the map (See the Phoenix shortcut in the Hanging Gardens).
Beautiful! Nothing I like more than going deep nerd and know everything about every single class! Love your video! PS: I remember these guys kinda sucked in the very first version of this game in the 90's.
Thank You kindly! Yeah, they were kinda odd, because they were the standard balanced fighter, while the Berserker was running around using higher Strength to get better defense. Given unit placements, loadouts and such, they were basically the Rune Fencer with only hitting abilities in the original.
@@CoffeePotato Indeed. Knight in that first TO game have absolutely NO skills, spells or abilities. Just attack with your sword unless you were equipping a weapon that included a special skillor giving them a skill granted by Roderick at Hell's Gate by the almost end of the game, and except for Fudo, those skills sucked anyway. Regardless, the first version remains my favorite despite of the remakes.
Damn this video do exist, thanks to TH-cam for finally suggesting lol
Thank You for watching it 🙂
@@CoffeePotato I actually searched for it, but the result showed old videos from PSP days, I thought you haven't updated that series to reborn yet. Suddenly YT put it to my recommendation today, now its suggesting beast tamer one, I'll watch it next.
Aw, no cute little skeleton knight? What's up with the anthrocentrism? Kidding, but it's good to see knights are just as powerful as ever. I'm still looking forward to a Steelstance vs. Phalanx video for lords, since Steelstance doesn't turn off counterattacks.
True! I'll get that one done next. Mostly I wanted to train 12 of the most generic generics you'd ever see, and show how they performed as a baseline.
Both the shadow auras I did not find myself using them often when they're first unlocked. I think the knight has just enough mp to deploy one throughout chapters 1-4 when fully charged mp. Although I'm late to sharing my ideas for the game, I think you'll find the shadow auras more useful later on like in the CODA chapters when your knight has respectable max mp. Without collecting the blue cards in the field, one tactic you can try to demonstrate the use of shadow auras is charging your knight's mp during the opening turn. That way you can advance your knight and begin setting up defenses out in the field with the auras.
If there is one thing that I think all of us Tactics players are guilty of, it is being cheap with mp charging 😆. Solely relying on the natural mp charge per turn or actions.
True, and it's an interesting case in the other direction too, pairing a Cyclops with a Knight for Rampart/Stun as well as Spellcharge going to the knight to keep them running.
Hi Coffee! Is KYU white knight coming soon? I like to run crossbows and 1 handed weapons on mine.
Oh shoot, right, I needed to fix that one. It was done, had an audio glitch, and I forgot.
Do you have a sprite tier list?
I think that the (F)Knight sprite is the best character sprite of the game
We....should do that.
Can you do a vid on stat growth and the differences between recruiting leveled units and hiring units and leveling them yourself
I can. But the difference is super minor next to attacking the right targets. Optimal growths may give you like 50 extra damage. By end game hitting on the right element can give 2-500 extra, breach can throw that even higher, fear, etc.
That iron fan character is probably best attacking with the shield over the fan. Would need to test.
I believe they will get their Atk pushed beyond the shield from Skill, but would still use the shield to save RT when possible.
@@CoffeePotato shield damage is weird, though it lacks finishers it tends to be pretty strong in general.
@@gaberielpendragon Shield Bash has the same scaling with STR/DEX as 1H Sword/Axe/Hammer/Spellbook Basic Attacks (1.8/1.3 Offense per point). The difference in damage between the two types of attacks is due to shields having slightly lower physical damage bonus values and noticeably lower ATK stats than the aforementioned 1H melee weapons.
@@rucession5760 something is odd about them as their damage seems quite oddly high quite often.
@@gaberielpendragon With what kind of shield specifically are you noticing this phenomena (e.g. Kite/Baldur/Heater), and against what kind of enemy (e.g. Human/Monster/Undead)?
Any reason to contiue using Knights once you get White Knights and Terror Knights? They don't really seem as useful since those other classes do the area denial but also provide other utility like debuffs or haste for your team. If White Knights did not get healing spells I would probably still use Knights sometimes.
@@quickpawmaud Yes. No one else besides Lord and dragons can just decide not to be hurt by anything. 90% damage reduction applies to everything.
@@quickpawmaud th-cam.com/video/SykGsSxMrzs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5OjGcc5MPatpKcni
Knights are the best tanks in the game, they are great because they can take punishment from multiple units if positioned properly.
It is just that because of guardian force they can protect others units even better when compared with the other tanky units.
This class is a curious cause because the weaker you are damage wise, the better the knight is.
This class is so good that there are some builds with bodysnatch that in theory would be great, but let just say once you get more experienced with reborn, you will not need a unit that strong defensively.
Rampart shadow is the skill that best represents the knight as a class, great when you are weak and loses value when you are stronger.
And another positive point about the class is because of the shield you can bash units out of rampart aura to halt movement even better, while any shield unit can bash, the knight is one of the best rampart aura users in this game.
True, that's why the Crossbow Shield guy is used so often in videos. It's so friggin controlling.
Petrify and Sleep are also sort of effective on Phalanx.
True, that will be covered in another video.
Knights are something I personally barely run. For one, I just dislike the heavy armor open helmet look, which I know is such a shallow reason, but it's there. But the other reason is also that 90% of the time, my biggest issue holding the line is coming from range. In LUCT, enemy archers being super strong even without the whole breaching thing is the obvious reason, but even in Reborn, I find ranged enemies to be far more obnoxious, because regular knights just don't get targeted as much. I've been running Terror Knights as my area denial front line instead, in hopes that the lower defenses would actually divert attention better - and yeah, this works really well. Plus, they can block off enemies and then push through after their debuffs stick. Alternatively, I send in gryphons because they are fast, can fly to the archers instantly and ALSO draw attention to them because of their lack of armor or something.
The other, admittedly kinda funny thing about them, is that Knight *is* usually my first choice to reclass to whenever I think my cleric could use some offensive application, but then I get so scared of getting into endlessly long undead battles by not having Exorcise (which definitely happened when I played the FFTA games as a kid so often to the point that I irrationally over-prepare against it) that I STILL don't end up running a knight.
I still want to give knights another chance eventually, but so far, the poor guys always end up short for what I want them them to do.
EDIT: btw, I *know* they are supposed to just lock off areas instead of actually drawing all attention to them (that will happen as a side effect anyway) but I always end up thinking "yeah, but locking away enemies doesn't matter if their much more troublesome archery club can just ignore that lock".
Fair enough, personally I've been loving the Golem/Knight combo lately for this reason. Golems attract more arrows than knights, plus can block more LoS because tallness. If you have them push forward and just lock down corners and such, they can prevent ranged units from ever even getting involved, it feels goooood.
@@CoffeePotato I actually tried the golem (Baldur, not sure if that makes a difference) now and yeah, this works REALLY well! I originally started running one because I got my first pumpkin and wanted a second target for Empower Golem (stacking Empower and Sanguine Assault on a cute little pumpkin is funny), but I didn't expect a wall this good! I also tried the regular knight a bit more and I actually like the class a lot more now. For one, they really do take a LOT less damage than my terror knights (the difference is way bigger than I expected), but I also became very fond of shield bashing enemies to knock them away, which I can't really do on most TK setups. The shield bashes usually deal a surprising amount of damage too, which is very strange (feels like they ignore armor at least in part or something) but very welcome.
@@justsomejojo There was some technical breakdown of the shield thing, something like they apply their attack bonus twice or something, but they do great in a lot of situations, it's really reliable. Fun note, it looks like footing decides Knockback chance, since it seems like having Swamy or wet footing results in less chance of Knockback.
Very interesting. I would have thought wet and swampy or other generally unstable ground would make knockbacks easier. Going by real world logic at least.
The fact that shields apparently get this unique damage formula is really cool. Kinda makes me want to go and do a shield only roadblock character. Bit of a shame they lost the status immunities and parries from PSP though. Made them feel like actual shields.
@@justsomejojo That's what I was thinking for ages too, and would still love to see the Resists return on shields, but it's kinda cool to see monsters shining how they are now.
Where do you get the accessories that give you +20 to weapon skill?
Elemental Temples, each boss gives you 3 of the end game crafting books. Those are set drops, and realistically you should go through all of them at least once to get those. I believe it was water or ice that dropped it, but again, just make it a round trip.
How do you feel knight compares to dragon? Dragons seem a lot better to me but I'm still early.
Completely different roles, I don't think they compare at all. Knight is Area Denial, Dragoon is Anti Heavy. Knight is more universally applicable, Dragoon is a little more niche, and has fewer side functions. They do get Pincer on Scorpions, which is guaranteed with Slayer.
@@CoffeePotato I meant actual dragons lol, they both get rampart aura so I put them together in my mind.
@@DavianLicanius dragons can't shield bash . So their ranpart aura Will get overrun way ez.
@@DavianLicanius A tough choice between the two but knights can help heal other units from a distance (for emergency). They can help healings.
What kind of coffee were you drinking?
Generic Folgers, with honey and cheap 1% milk 😂. It was very satisfying with a sore throat.
I Rather in PSX animation of KNIGHT,.... in the PSX, Knight Class if using the Sword has good animation or Action before attack
It has those for finishers, but yeah, would have been cool.
@@CoffeePotato but why in new generation that Action has gone???