So thankful to hear someone speak of saving him Instead of just hating him. This man is broken. He is terrified. He needs help. Look at him in this video. He is crying because he is so afraid of people believes facing eternal torture. I think he was once on the edge of the first steps to spiritual enlightenment . But he recoiled in fear. He is too afraid of burning to think rationally and anything that forced him to think is going to be an enemy. Mr Sharma , you ask how such a man can abandon reason. You are right in that it was in despair, but it was more than that. When fear is great enough, it can over ride reason. When a child is hiding under the bed screaming in fear of monsters, you can't just tell him there are no monsters. He needs help. I really wish you would find a way to contact him and reach out. Your compassion is a gift. He has always been afraid of the truth and you could see his struggles before he completely have into his fear. He used to say he didn't believe in god but he was afraid he was real. I don't think you understand the terror of being raised christian, of told from the time you can speak of the torture and pain of eternal burning. I am not Hindu, not especially learned in Your faith, but from everyone I have spoken to you don't have that sense of unbridled horror and terror of your gods. So please watch this video and try to help him. m.th-cam.com/video/x6_ESSfyiYE/w-d-xo.html
Very insightful & delightful exchange of knowledge & perspectives from the panel ! Thank you Sirs & the lady for this session. Either JP is in cahoots with other lobbies who are insidiously trying to sabotage the depth & wisdom in our Sanatan Dharm or he was appallingly ill prepared or indifferent in ascertaining whether there was any truth in the garbage that Mangalwadi spoke. A man of JP’s stature engaging with someone who has no formal authority in religious literature is also very thought provoking. There’s definitely more to it than meets the eye. Hopefully this video reaches him & he decides to gain credible insight into the wisdom that was expounded by the illustrious sages of our glorious motherland.
Excellent discussion with deep insights. I have not heard Jordan Peterson's podcast so do not know what exactly he said. However, given the disdain for hindus, I assume he would have made many deriding remarks. I especially agree with the panelists on fighting for dharma rather than grouping ourselves and polarizing the world into "us" and "them:
I’m late but thanks for doing this. Even as a desi American who isn’t perfectly educated on all things Hindu related, when I saw that episode I could tell Vishal was spouting some western propaganda
Please go on his podcast and tell him about the stuff, he has openly admitted his ignorance not just about India but about the entire Eastern hemisphere several times. Need to present an opposing point of view as well, Hindus allow others to define what their religion is that's why there's so much misunderstanding. Even the history is written by British educated folks.
Hindu Gurus since ages and also b/w the 15 the Century till the 19th century have always lead the charge against the Abrahamic filth being poured onto the Sanatana Dharma. It is only the recent deracinated lot that has acted so far like a ‘bhains’ who does not care when it rains. Thanks to the Trio for taking up this task of tackling this filth.
I admire Jordan Peterson but he is a Christian Apologist so its natural he will be against hindus. 2ndly he is also a mix figure in my opinion and overrated to some extent, yes he is a very good speaker, very good political speaker when it comes to counter left ideology but he is not going to side with hindus. Not forget that right wing Christian or conservatives are also against hindus as a whole.
Christians are not against Hindus. But the ideologies certainly differ. As per Bible, whole humanity is Jehovah God's creation and all of us were originated from the first created human couple Adam and Eve, our great great great grand parents! Hence we are all brethren. This goes against Hindu concept of origin of 4 varnas from different parts of Brahma! Plus various people groups inside and outside India who are outside the boundaries of 4 Hindu varnas!
@@truthprevails5173 1st of all you have wrong knowledge about hindu concept of origin. 2ndly Christians are one of the most violent groups in India against hindus and done immense damage to our culture. And as long as there is concept of conversion in Christianity you are against hindus as conversion leads to separatist movement, hate crimes against hindus, militant movements, destruction of our civilization.
Periyar was an agent of Christian missionaries. He didn't speak anything against upper caste. His hatred was against Hindu Dharma and the custodian of its knowledge centre- thr brahmins. He kept making genocidal statements against brahmins. He also wanted a separate tamilnadu and the British to rule it from London. He was against independence. His magazine “Viduthalai", has in its front page that Indepence Day is observed as “Black Day" by the Dravidar Kazhagam since the British has left India
Jordon Peterson always cites data in his profession and that is why he has gained popularity. But his recent video made me doubt him as the other person was telling clear lies.
He is good giving self help tricks for depressed men. Also the things he says aren't some ground breaking things. He seems clever because most of the time him, Ben shapiro or some other conservatives argue against some 18 year old ill informed college kids about gender politics Jordan peterson gets caught when he starts talking about things he has no idea of resorting to incoherent Ramblings and word salads to make himself look smart. His views on other religions are extremely rigid and he see it through a Christianic point of view.
Please check out Paul Wiliams in UK who has a website called Blogging Theory. He has converted to Islam and invites various scholars who glorify Islam which pleases him very much and justifies his conversion to himself. Like Peterson he recently invited a young man from Cambridge or Oxford Imran to talk about condition of muslims in India. Like Peterson he has zero knowledge and information about India. And swallowed everything whole especially about Kashmir ....I wrote a long protesting message about the true history of Kashmir. About the true history of Islsmic rule. Imran painted the darkest portrait of Hindus and Paul Willams listened solemnly as if Imran the student in a UK university spoke the truth because he is a student in a top UK university. Being in that university automatically is a budge of integrity and honesty and truthfulness . Please call him out too. The title is provocative...you can't miss it. The podcast is Blogging Theory by Paul William's
Indigenous people in the USA do not like JP. He is very anti-Indigenous. It's curious to see people in India idolizing these colonizers. I would hope they would, in the spirit of Krishna support our cause as well. We denounce the archaic language used to besiege our people as it's still recognized as legal grounds today. They used the verses in genesis of 1:28 and the texts in the Torah to rationalize genocide against our people calling us almalekites and necessary to destroy to further their cause. Our people question in "whose image" are these laws created. Is the image one of a genocidal beast? JP reminds me of a man who steals talking points from 15th century colonists and 17th century Adam Smith about building a nation based on "using" others and exploitation for POWER. The energy behind these things is barbaric to say the least. We'd much rather be left alone. We love the land and animals and waters and all that keeps us alive. This nation called us waste people living in a wasteland.. most of the new breed of born to USA colonizers still treat us horribly. Often telling us they wish we were exterminated. Anything in this religious group of Mono-cultists is, in fact, snake oil
Most Indians are not aware of the true colors of these imperialists who pose as very reasonable men. Hence do pardon their ignorance. White conquest of Americas has many parallels with Turkic conquest of India in 13th century (which is also presented to the world in a whitewashed form) - hence I personally can relate with what you say.
JP is very good speaker, has good communication skills, very good at countering left wing ideology, also a good psychologist , I admire him for that. But let's be honest here JP is a Christian apologist, and what hindus don't realize is his ideology and reasoning is heavily based on Christian theology and he promotes Christianity both openly and by subtle means also. The problem is hindus are completely ignorant about Christian theology, don't study Christianity , don't read anything about it so get very easily swayed by anyone and follow him blindly which i think is a weakness of hindus. Hindus need to become intellectual khatriya only then we can save our civilizational identity.
Sorry if I say something about Jordan Peterson that might offend his admirers but I think he is "controlled opposition". That is, you don't agree with the System? Then the System itself provides for you an outlet to your anger, a "leader figure" so you can feel part of a group that opposes with you in some way. He talks a lot and it is motivating to watch him (I put him on before training for example to get my energy up) but then there are things about him that ring my alarm bell for example, the Self Authoring, it is a brilliant thing to write down your aspirations and pottential future accomplishments but think about it, thousands of conservatives are doing just that... putting their thoughts and what they plan to do in a computerized machine database: danger danger stay away you are stronger than that.
Are you Native American? I totally see why any Native American from the Americas might be permanently suspicious of the White race esp. those in positions of power and influence.
JP claims to a 20 year practitioner of Kundalini Yoga! Like so many, he is clueless to the Hindu/Yoga connection. And, it is true that few Hindus speak up!!
Please, do not underestimate Jordan Peterson. I do not agree with his conception of Hinduism and he must endeavour to understand Hinduism in the true form. He must avoid, at all costs, people who denigrate Hinduism at the drop of a hat. Having said that, I firmly believe Jordan is one of the most articulate, intelligent, psychologically wise and responsible persons who must be engaged to understand true Hinduism. His talks on individual responsibility helped me a great deal when I was in my darkest phase in life and depressed to a great degree. Without paying a penny, Jordan talks helped me to get better and get more connected to Sanatana Dharma. I thank him for igniting that chingaari.
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the statement rohit arya ji made near 1 hr 12 minutes which jordan peterson said on 21 june 22, is an old statement. He has made that statement many times.
For those who are unaware of the original talk or discussion between Jordan Peterson and Vishal Mangalwadi, this video is a response to, here is the link.. th-cam.com/video/QvESPeFWLHw/w-d-xo.html
The invitation towards Dr JBP to speak to one of you is valuable and I hope that one of the JBP team or JBP himself notices it. I have placed a comment in JBPs video to the same effect. I need to warn the speakers here not to resort to cliche and rhetoric. Not to "react" but to lay out your evidence to refute the idea that India, or the Vedas, are incomplete, or lacking in the "Truth". There is evidence that Indian life was sophisticated. There is evidence that India had the HIGHEST GDP for thousands of years. This needs to be all said without disrespecting The Bible. See, I myself am from India but from a small community in Cochin who are descended from a small group of Roman families who settled in the region for trade more than 2000 years ago. So you can put forth these Historical nuggets that India has some of the oldest Christians (a continuous/unbroken line) in the world. Christianity was not brought to India by the West!! Perhaps it was spread during recent Western invasions, but importantly, India is a source of inspiration for even Carl Jung who JBP respects. But then Carl Jung refused to meet with Ramana Maharishi when Jung visited India and was so close to meeting the greatest Indian of that century. You just need to QUOTE verses from the Vedas and lay out your argument clearly. You can then prove the approximate age of these Vedic verses to clarify that Christian thought has in fact emerged from India. The parallels between stories of Krishna and Herod, the name Christ and the resemblance in various aspects, especially the birth. The fact that Sarah is the first woman of Abrahamic religions and Sarah's husband Abraham sounds familiar to Indians as Brahma and Sarra-swathi. So why do these coincidences occur? In any case stick to clear provable data. I struggled to condense what I heard from all of you into "points' I can refute Mangalwadi. They need to be clear and succinct. In all credit, I found Mangalwadi logical and clear despite being wrong. So you need to be logical and clear with the added benefit of being historically accurate and right.Layout the whole body of Vedas. In a clear fashion. Perhaps have someone like Nilesh Oak to layout the Astronomical dating as evidence for the ages of these Vedas, Puranas, etc. There is a cultural war about, Indian Vedas are at risk of disappearing completely. Now is the time to emphasise the importance of India on the World Stage. Thank you for reading my comment. Thanks also for standing up and refuting the unjust claims of Indian inferiority. Please actually listen to JBP's lectures and you will be delighted to see a streak of @enlightened@ grace in his lectures and especially on the Bible. So it will help India if you actually listen to the Truths ion the Bible as Jordan and Jonathan Page sees it before you refute Mr Mangalwadi. Regards, Dee.
It will become a very long video. It was in response to specific JP podcast. And Mangalwadi has been refuted here btw. He just sounds like a 18th century Colonial propagandist with Christian bigotry. And that's not logic. He can't refute this and that based on his opinion without critical analyses of the verses. The only thing is the portions were not given much time. His propaganda was based on several other propaganda which can't be refuted in a single video. The video was mostly about JP's attitude towards non-abrahamics. Not having any due dilligence while speaking about hindus and hinduism.
@UCWqNwxjT1DOWPW5piRMrP-g Just because JP is trying to save the Western Civilisation does not mean that he hates India or Indian culture of the Vedas. JP has a high regard for "Canadian Red Indians" and their rituals and their religious drug-trips. He is open to listen and to learn about any topic. Please see his discussions on Bitcoin and other such topics. He has no bad attitude towards "Non-Abrahamic" religions. I do not see any evidence to that effect. Pt Satish Sharma, Mr Dixit and Mr Arya have all said that the only fault from JPB side is that he did not challenge Mr Mangalwadi and did not catch the wanton disregard with which Mr Mangalwadi was undermining the Indian body of Vedic literary treasure. Any fool knows that India is very deep. So why JPB glossed over this is a mystery for now. Also, who put them together? Mr Mangalwadi did not chance upon JPB. It was arranged. By who? I do feel that this is a serious oversight that JBP has not addressed things like The Bhagavad Gita. In fact he has not explored Advaita either when speaking to Mr Sam Harris. Mr Harris also avoids speaking on that topic. So I do not know if he will ever get into such a conversation with anyone. However, we need to be mindful that JPB is merely trying to save the West, and save The Bible and save Christianity. Ramana Maharishi had a lot of respect for The Bible. Why? There is a lot in it. I think perhaps, our Vedic Scholars needs to become deeply knowledgeable in the Bible. I recommend that Samgam Talks viewers/audience watch a few podcasts from Jonathan Pageau. I also recommend JBP's lectures on The Bible. Once a Vedic Scholar can quote and explain the Bible well, perhaps better than even a typical parish priest can, then you will have all the tools necessary to highlight the Vedas as the greatest body of knowledge in human history.
@@DeeFrancisPadamadan If he had so much respect for non-abrahamics why he invited a muslim to talk about Islam and not a hindu to about hinduism. His action speaks otherwise. He was speaking about Kali in another video that she has her husband's head (while it was a demon head), while telling in another video that he can't talk about Islam since he doesn't know much. This is called not having due diligence while talking about non-abrahamic cultures. His action speaks otherwise.
@@kaushiksarker8550 JBP is finding his way. It is not malice. Hindus are well known in Canada. It is not so foreign to him. JBP needs to NOT undermine Christianity as he himself is Christianity's greatest critic. I suspect hat JBP know A LOT more about Vedas and Hindu culture than he is willing to admit publicly. A man from Canada who is also a Prof and ex Clinical Psychologist to not be exposed to Hinduism at some level is highly unlikely. What I think is that he is being cautious to not undermine his message of the importance of not throwing away the civilisational-truth upon which the Western Corpus of Laws and Nations were built on. You see, over here in the UK and in the US, this Corpus is under a cultural attack. It is in India too. Indian Vedic culture is under serious attack from the Marxist types. JPB is trying his best to bring forth the foundational meanings and truths upon which the Bible, Christianity and the whole of our present day civilisation is founded upon. Don't forget that these laws are the very laws that declared things like slavery unlawful. They did not have to change the laws. So JBP's point is that these laws are founded on the idea of having a God. On a Transcendent Truth. This is being opposed by the Progressives and the Marxists and the Atheist Scientists types. JBP is someone who is defending Truth. He interprets the Truth as a "meaning" which he calls Logos. He wants someone to talk at that level. Any Vedic scholar can easily discuss this topic with APPRECIATION for the Bible and JBP as they are doing a stellar job. This will bring forth a great age of goodness and light. Youngsters are hungry for meaning in life. Please explain from a Vedic standpoint, how Vedas can bring meaning into a young person's life and JBP will be delighted. This is what I think.
I don't know a lot about Pandit Ji's oeuvre beyond this conversation, but he isn't right about Peterson's commitment to 'Reason'. The latter is, and has always been an asuric man. There was no glory in what he did at Kathy Newman's show. That episode destroyed the career of a woman who had a family and was years younger than him. If he was really so committed on 'educating her', he should have tried to do it off-camera, or at least come out in support of her after what happened. Since the beginning of his fame, he has used the guise of victimhood whenever it pleased him, while advocating against it in the worldview he preaches. A typical hypocritical Christian preacher. His narrative of 'personal responsibility' exists only in his rhetoric, not in his social and political actions, where his claim to fame are misguided youth separated from their families by West's misplaced notions of individualism, and no karma of his own, since in his personal capacity he is nothing beyond a sub-par psychologist. There are a lot of other things, but if so many well-analysed answers on Quora and journalists and reporters and so many similar uninformed videos on his own channel haven't made you realize the degeneracy of his consciousness, a random comment on TH-cam never will. So please don't present him as a baby who was so innocent and 'reasonable man' but was corrupted by the conversation of a misguided Vishal Malwadi. Resist your urge to 'save' him. The person in power here was Jordan Peterson, so the responsibility to refrain from conversations that would amplify adharma was on him. For all its worth and all due respect, your inability see through the facade and delusions Peterson made around himself is your own karma Pandit Ji, and you, like many confused individuals of this post-modern age, created a delusion of Jordan Peterson being a 'good, rational' person to escape from it. Good to see these delusions within Hindus are coming apart now. As they say, the asuras in the Kaliyuga don't need God to come on Earth to be killed, they eventually kill themselves. It sometimes saddens me though that it requires Hindus a fundamental attack on their identity to take note of asuric shaktis in the world like they are themselves not one of the most inextricable parts of it. But that sadness is my own karma, and I'll deal with it in my own time. Har Har Mahadev.
I started having second thoughts about him when he started glorifying Christianity despite claiming earlier he was an atheist and then later saying he believes in 'something'. He is a sly silver tongue devil people should be wary of.
@@vaishnavnegi9640 stupidest argument I have ever read. People change and so do their beliefs. I have met people who were atheists and later become devout Hindus. So are they evil for changing their beliefs? And regarding glorification isn't everyone doing the same. Hindus glorify Hinduism, Christians glorify Christianity and Muslims glorify Islam.
@Cheshta Sagar that's a typical response we get from victim mindset people cathy newman deliberately knew what she was doing being condescending towards him he played her his intent wasn't to educate her but to show her how foolish she was
Wonderful analysis. I understand your anger but let’s not use terms like the Holy Ghost blithely because this is what differentiates people of the Dharmik faith from the Abrahamists. There are some comments asking why Dr. Peterson was not called. Please post your clarification in the comments section for the benefit of all. Of course these same people should first ask Dr. Peterson why he chose to call a crypto-Christian and blindly agreed to whatever he said.
Astonished to see such lack of philosophical competence in this panel to intellectually combat the Christian worldview. This discussion uncovers so much about their character, or the lack thereof. They reveal that to have a sharp tongue is never a sure indicator of having a sharp mind. Much mockery of the person of Vishal Mangalwadi and the Christian worldview, it exposes a sense of insecurity among the men concerning the strength and the merits of their worldview.
May be on this panel. There are so many scholars in India , who can give excellent critic to that Christian. There are so many books . U have to understand , many may not be best English speakers
Jordan's daughter is alive, please go see her TH-cam channel. I was not expecting much but at least be factual. It's hard to take anything you people say seriously when you constantly channel this arrogant energy, mockery and sly giggles. you are allowed to disagree with people, I myself do, but the way you fight bad ideas is with good ideas. I hear little/no arguments. You start with calling him a non-entity, your egos won't even let you believe in the idea of having a conversation and fair dialogue god forbid ever have one. I am a Hindu woman by faith and the moral corruption you exhibit in the name of my god is a blemish on my beautiful culture, tradition and its harmonious teachings.
@@vanshsharma4391 I don't know what is wrong. When I click on it, I'm about redirect to the video just fine. Here, try again - th-cam.com/video/QvESPeFWLHw/w-d-xo.html Or else just go to Jordan Peterson's page and see his talks with this Mangalvadi guy.
What an absolute disappointment of a conversation, more so, given the tremendous intellectual prowess of the panel. There was no cohesive structure to the argumentation and no real clarity on which specific aspects of JP's podcast were they planning to engage with. The conversation meandered needlessly and the cringeworthy laughing and snickering degraded it further. You can't expect to be taken seriously if this is how your elites/learned ones debate and express their views. This is a missed opportunity and one can only pray that there would be more serious and better thought out attempts in the future.
> There was no cohesive structure to the argumentation and no real clarity on which specific aspects of JP's podcast were they planning to engage with. > JP doesn't know that India had a Mughal invasion, invited a charlatan to his podcast, and you are referring to specific aspects of JP's podcast? The whole podcast was a scam. It was that obvious to me. Being serious and talking nonsense (JP and the clown) is better or being sensible (this crowd), and enjoying the lighter moments is? > You can't expect to be taken seriously if this is how your elites/learned ones debate and express their views. > Who is "your"? This is the patronising attitude that is being mocked. At least read the other comments and make some sense of the discussion. Or view it again. It was a fantastic talk, and you are disappointed? If you are not Krishna's next avatar, you are nothing but a troll.
@@prathapcharan Yes, bring him on I say. Instead, Jordan will expose Hinduism for what it is.. Hinduism at its core is nothing but Tantra, and Tantra is Satanism (i.e. a religion of self-worship where you believe you are God and your own will is superior). In Hinduism, there is no difference betweeen creator and creation and that the universe is a self-evolving creator itself, which is a false ideology based on questionable hindu scriptures taught by crafty hindu gurus to naive hindu religious masses. He will cut through the pandit's arguments surgically like carving a sculptural work.
I hope Peterson talks with you, as it appears that you heard the vishel podcast, but didn’t understand all the points they were communicating. And since you are Hindu, what makes you think you completely understand Christianity? It seems hypocritical that you criticize them for talking about something they don’t understand completely, but you are doing the exact same thing.
You can laugh at and critize the non Hindus, but what are you all doing to counter the massive phony non Hindu yoga bussines stuff? And, the 200 hr. "Yogis" try and correct our Swamis. Do you confront all the Indians likec"sad" guru, Sri Sri, etc. who deny they are Hindu and create phony yoga teachers? And, Satish critizes the dress of others and he dresses like a colonizer and non of the panel had the courage to spesk up. Where are your bindis, malas?
With all due respect, why does Mr Dikshit explain the verse he quotes from the Geeta, Esha Upanishad to illistrate his point. Ignorance is not understood by him.
LMAO, they're exposing jp's fallacies in his opinion of India by asking the opinion of a charlatan. The fact he needs to lie about India and use outdated arguments is a bigger shame.
LMAO we "hate" missionaries who spread Hinduphobia, hate and attempting to destroy our religion. If you a respectful Christian who coexists with others then we're cool with you. Stop playing victim.
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So thankful to hear someone speak of saving him Instead of just hating him.
This man is broken. He is terrified. He needs help.
Look at him in this video. He is crying because he is so afraid of people believes facing eternal torture.
I think he was once on the edge of the first steps to spiritual enlightenment . But he recoiled in fear. He is too afraid of burning to think rationally and anything that forced him to think is going to be an enemy.
Mr Sharma , you ask how such a man can abandon reason. You are right in that it was in despair, but it was more than that. When fear is great enough, it can over ride reason.
When a child is hiding under the bed screaming in fear of monsters, you can't just tell him there are no monsters. He needs help. I really wish you would find a way to contact him and reach out. Your compassion is a gift.
He has always been afraid of the truth and you could see his struggles before he completely have into his fear.
He used to say he didn't believe in god but he was afraid he was real.
I don't think you understand the terror of being raised christian, of told from the time you can speak of the torture and pain of eternal burning.
I am not Hindu, not especially learned in Your faith, but from everyone I have spoken to you don't have that sense of unbridled horror and terror of your gods.
So please watch this video and try to help him.
m.th-cam.com/video/x6_ESSfyiYE/w-d-xo.html
Bravo brelliant gentlemen .i know india with fantastic encient wisdom and brelliant brain is the winner.god bless you india
Fantastic discussion, Panditji was so articulate and has keen insights. Am inclined to think this was intentionally done by JP.
Very insightful & delightful exchange of knowledge & perspectives from the panel ! Thank you Sirs & the lady for this session. Either JP is in cahoots with other lobbies who are insidiously trying to sabotage the depth & wisdom in our Sanatan Dharm or he was appallingly ill prepared or indifferent in ascertaining whether there was any truth in the garbage that Mangalwadi spoke. A man of JP’s stature engaging with someone who has no formal authority in religious literature is also very thought provoking. There’s definitely more to it than meets the eye. Hopefully this video reaches him & he decides to gain credible insight into the wisdom that was expounded by the illustrious sages of our glorious motherland.
Sages say many things. The business class people of highest order in any human society eventually find the best profitable use of it.
@@ravivikastp8286 how does that relate to peterson
That's what Rajiv Malhotra ji has been saying for more than a decade
Rajiv Malhotra is a fantastic author and intellectual!
Excellent discussion with deep insights. I have not heard Jordan Peterson's podcast so do not know what exactly he said. However, given the disdain for hindus, I assume he would have made many deriding remarks. I especially agree with the panelists on fighting for dharma rather than grouping ourselves and polarizing the world into "us" and "them:
I’m late but thanks for doing this. Even as a desi American who isn’t perfectly educated on all things Hindu related, when I saw that episode I could tell Vishal was spouting some western propaganda
Please go on his podcast and tell him about the stuff, he has openly admitted his ignorance not just about India but about the entire Eastern hemisphere several times. Need to present an opposing point of view as well, Hindus allow others to define what their religion is that's why there's so much misunderstanding. Even the history is written by British educated folks.
I would ask this Sangam Talks Team to make an international Venue to debate with Christian Philosophers.
Hindu Gurus since ages and also b/w the 15 the Century till the 19th century have always lead the charge against the Abrahamic filth being poured onto the Sanatana Dharma. It is only the recent deracinated lot that has acted so far like a ‘bhains’ who does not care when it rains. Thanks to the Trio for taking up this task of tackling this filth.
Yet they couldn’t even pick up swords only preach
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Lol True .
Sangam is in a great position to invite Mr. Jordan to have a discussion. Knowing what we know about him, he is open to clearly formulated ideas.
Shatrubodh word has been brought into prominence both by Sanjay ji and Daji Malhotra
I admire Jordan Peterson but he is a Christian Apologist so its natural he will be against hindus. 2ndly he is also a mix figure in my opinion and overrated to some extent, yes he is a very good speaker, very good political speaker when it comes to counter left ideology but he is not going to side with hindus. Not forget that right wing Christian or conservatives are also against hindus as a whole.
Christians are not against Hindus. But the ideologies certainly differ.
As per Bible, whole humanity is Jehovah God's creation and all of us were originated from the first created human couple Adam and Eve, our great great great grand parents! Hence we are all brethren.
This goes against Hindu concept of origin of 4 varnas from different parts of Brahma!
Plus various people groups inside and outside India who are outside the boundaries of 4 Hindu varnas!
@@truthprevails5173 Apparently you have not lived in the bible belt.
Yes. He wants the world to be a mono-cult
@@truthprevails5173 1st of all you have wrong knowledge about hindu concept of origin. 2ndly Christians are one of the most violent groups in India against hindus and done immense damage to our culture. And as long as there is concept of conversion in Christianity you are against hindus as conversion leads to separatist movement, hate crimes against hindus, militant movements, destruction of our civilization.
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Can you please elaborate?
Periyar was an agent of Christian missionaries. He didn't speak anything against upper caste. His hatred was against Hindu Dharma and the custodian of its knowledge centre- thr brahmins.
He kept making genocidal statements against brahmins.
He also wanted a separate tamilnadu and the British to rule it from London. He was against independence. His magazine “Viduthalai", has in its front page that Indepence Day is observed as “Black Day" by the Dravidar Kazhagam since the British has left India
Jordon Peterson always cites data in his profession and that is why he has gained popularity. But his recent video made me doubt him as the other person was telling clear lies.
He is good giving self help tricks for depressed men. Also the things he says aren't some ground breaking things. He seems clever because most of the time him, Ben shapiro or some other conservatives argue against some 18 year old ill informed college kids about gender politics
Jordan peterson gets caught when he starts talking about things he has no idea of resorting to incoherent Ramblings and word salads to make himself look smart. His views on other religions are extremely rigid and he see it through a Christianic point of view.
Please check out Paul Wiliams in UK who has a website called Blogging Theory. He has converted to Islam and invites various scholars who glorify Islam which pleases him very much and justifies his conversion to himself. Like Peterson he recently invited a young man from Cambridge or Oxford Imran to talk about condition of muslims in India. Like Peterson he has zero knowledge and information about India. And swallowed everything whole especially about Kashmir ....I wrote a long protesting message about the true history of Kashmir. About the true history of Islsmic rule. Imran painted the darkest portrait of Hindus and Paul Willams listened solemnly as if Imran the student in a UK university spoke the truth because he is a student in a top UK university. Being in that university automatically is a budge of integrity and honesty and truthfulness .
Please call him out too.
The title is provocative...you can't miss it.
The podcast is Blogging Theory by Paul William's
Well yes these individuals will defame hindus whenever they get
Indigenous people in the USA do not like JP. He is very anti-Indigenous. It's curious to see people in India idolizing these colonizers. I would hope they would, in the spirit of Krishna support our cause as well. We denounce the archaic language used to besiege our people as it's still recognized as legal grounds today. They used the verses in genesis of 1:28 and the texts in the Torah to rationalize genocide against our people calling us almalekites and necessary to destroy to further their cause. Our people question in "whose image" are these laws created. Is the image one of a genocidal beast? JP reminds me of a man who steals talking points from 15th century colonists and 17th century Adam Smith about building a nation based on "using" others and exploitation for POWER. The energy behind these things is barbaric to say the least. We'd much rather be left alone. We love the land and animals and waters and all that keeps us alive. This nation called us waste people living in a wasteland.. most of the new breed of born to USA colonizers still treat us horribly. Often telling us they wish we were exterminated. Anything in this religious group of Mono-cultists is, in fact, snake oil
Most Indians are not aware of the true colors of these imperialists who pose as very reasonable men. Hence do pardon their ignorance. White conquest of Americas has many parallels with Turkic conquest of India in 13th century (which is also presented to the world in a whitewashed form) - hence I personally can relate with what you say.
JP is very good speaker, has good communication skills, very good at countering left wing ideology, also a good psychologist , I admire him for that. But let's be honest here JP is a Christian apologist, and what hindus don't realize is his ideology and reasoning is heavily based on Christian theology and he promotes Christianity both openly and by subtle means also. The problem is hindus are completely ignorant about Christian theology, don't study Christianity , don't read anything about it so get very easily swayed by anyone and follow him blindly which i think is a weakness of hindus. Hindus need to become intellectual khatriya only then we can save our civilizational identity.
Where do I get more chips Chief
Sorry if I say something about Jordan Peterson that might offend his admirers but I think he is "controlled opposition". That is, you don't agree with the System? Then the System itself provides for you an outlet to your anger, a "leader figure" so you can feel part of a group that opposes with you in some way. He talks a lot and it is motivating to watch him (I put him on before training for example to get my energy up) but then there are things about him that ring my alarm bell for example, the Self Authoring, it is a brilliant thing to write down your aspirations and pottential future accomplishments but think about it, thousands of conservatives are doing just that... putting their thoughts and what they plan to do in a computerized machine database: danger danger stay away you are stronger than that.
Are you Native American? I totally see why any Native American from the Americas might be permanently suspicious of the White race esp. those in positions of power and influence.
JP claims to a 20 year practitioner of Kundalini Yoga! Like so many, he is clueless to the Hindu/Yoga connection. And, it is true that few Hindus speak up!!
Please, do not underestimate Jordan Peterson. I do not agree with his conception of Hinduism and he must endeavour to understand Hinduism in the true form. He must avoid, at all costs, people who denigrate Hinduism at the drop of a hat. Having said that, I firmly believe Jordan is one of the most articulate, intelligent, psychologically wise and responsible persons who must be engaged to understand true Hinduism. His talks on individual responsibility helped me a great deal when I was in my darkest phase in life and depressed to a great degree. Without paying a penny, Jordan talks helped me to get better and get more connected to Sanatana Dharma. I thank him for igniting that chingaari.
Travencore Kingdom.
Tax on Women
Tax on Men .
Women identified as Breasts.
Thats why its called Breast tax. Its Not a tax on breast.
But a tax on Women labor
You should have invited Rajiv Malhotra also.
Agree
Jordan Peterson should be called on Jaipur Dialogues, and Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin as well.
the statement rohit arya ji made near 1 hr 12 minutes which jordan peterson said on 21 june 22, is an old statement. He has made that statement many times.
For those who are unaware of the original talk or discussion between Jordan Peterson and Vishal Mangalwadi, this video is a response to, here is the link..
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The full version of the bigotry lol
Very insightful
Topic 2:03
The invitation towards Dr JBP to speak to one of you is valuable and I hope that one of the JBP team or JBP himself notices it. I have placed a comment in JBPs video to the same effect. I need to warn the speakers here not to resort to cliche and rhetoric. Not to "react" but to lay out your evidence to refute the idea that India, or the Vedas, are incomplete, or lacking in the "Truth". There is evidence that Indian life was sophisticated. There is evidence that India had the HIGHEST GDP for thousands of years. This needs to be all said without disrespecting The Bible. See, I myself am from India but from a small community in Cochin who are descended from a small group of Roman families who settled in the region for trade more than 2000 years ago. So you can put forth these Historical nuggets that India has some of the oldest Christians (a continuous/unbroken line) in the world. Christianity was not brought to India by the West!! Perhaps it was spread during recent Western invasions, but importantly, India is a source of inspiration for even Carl Jung who JBP respects. But then Carl Jung refused to meet with Ramana Maharishi when Jung visited India and was so close to meeting the greatest Indian of that century. You just need to QUOTE verses from the Vedas and lay out your argument clearly. You can then prove the approximate age of these Vedic verses to clarify that Christian thought has in fact emerged from India. The parallels between stories of Krishna and Herod, the name Christ and the resemblance in various aspects, especially the birth. The fact that Sarah is the first woman of Abrahamic religions and Sarah's husband Abraham sounds familiar to Indians as Brahma and Sarra-swathi. So why do these coincidences occur? In any case stick to clear provable data. I struggled to condense what I heard from all of you into "points' I can refute Mangalwadi. They need to be clear and succinct. In all credit, I found Mangalwadi logical and clear despite being wrong. So you need to be logical and clear with the added benefit of being historically accurate and right.Layout the whole body of Vedas. In a clear fashion. Perhaps have someone like Nilesh Oak to layout the Astronomical dating as evidence for the ages of these Vedas, Puranas, etc. There is a cultural war about, Indian Vedas are at risk of disappearing completely. Now is the time to emphasise the importance of India on the World Stage. Thank you for reading my comment. Thanks also for standing up and refuting the unjust claims of Indian inferiority. Please actually listen to JBP's lectures and you will be delighted to see a streak of @enlightened@ grace in his lectures and especially on the Bible. So it will help India if you actually listen to the Truths ion the Bible as Jordan and Jonathan Page sees it before you refute Mr Mangalwadi. Regards, Dee.
Since there are not many replies on this video. I was going through all of them and even read your twice. Nicely articulated. 🙏
It will become a very long video. It was in response to specific JP podcast.
And Mangalwadi has been refuted here btw. He just sounds like a 18th century Colonial propagandist with Christian bigotry. And that's not logic. He can't refute this and that based on his opinion without critical analyses of the verses. The only thing is the portions were not given much time. His propaganda was based on several other propaganda which can't be refuted in a single video.
The video was mostly about JP's attitude towards non-abrahamics. Not having any due dilligence while speaking about hindus and hinduism.
@UCWqNwxjT1DOWPW5piRMrP-g Just because JP is trying to save the Western Civilisation does not mean that he hates India or Indian culture of the Vedas. JP has a high regard for "Canadian Red Indians" and their rituals and their religious drug-trips. He is open to listen and to learn about any topic. Please see his discussions on Bitcoin and other such topics. He has no bad attitude towards "Non-Abrahamic" religions. I do not see any evidence to that effect. Pt Satish Sharma, Mr Dixit and Mr Arya have all said that the only fault from JPB side is that he did not challenge Mr Mangalwadi and did not catch the wanton disregard with which Mr Mangalwadi was undermining the Indian body of Vedic literary treasure. Any fool knows that India is very deep. So why JPB glossed over this is a mystery for now. Also, who put them together? Mr Mangalwadi did not chance upon JPB. It was arranged. By who? I do feel that this is a serious oversight that JBP has not addressed things like The Bhagavad Gita. In fact he has not explored Advaita either when speaking to Mr Sam Harris. Mr Harris also avoids speaking on that topic. So I do not know if he will ever get into such a conversation with anyone. However, we need to be mindful that JPB is merely trying to save the West, and save The Bible and save Christianity. Ramana Maharishi had a lot of respect for The Bible. Why? There is a lot in it. I think perhaps, our Vedic Scholars needs to become deeply knowledgeable in the Bible. I recommend that Samgam Talks viewers/audience watch a few podcasts from Jonathan Pageau. I also recommend JBP's lectures on The Bible. Once a Vedic Scholar can quote and explain the Bible well, perhaps better than even a typical parish priest can, then you will have all the tools necessary to highlight the Vedas as the greatest body of knowledge in human history.
@@DeeFrancisPadamadan If he had so much respect for non-abrahamics why he invited a muslim to talk about Islam and not a hindu to about hinduism. His action speaks otherwise. He was speaking about Kali in another video that she has her husband's head (while it was a demon head), while telling in another video that he can't talk about Islam since he doesn't know much. This is called not having due diligence while talking about non-abrahamic cultures. His action speaks otherwise.
@@kaushiksarker8550 JBP is finding his way. It is not malice. Hindus are well known in Canada. It is not so foreign to him. JBP needs to NOT undermine Christianity as he himself is Christianity's greatest critic. I suspect hat JBP know A LOT more about Vedas and Hindu culture than he is willing to admit publicly. A man from Canada who is also a Prof and ex Clinical Psychologist to not be exposed to Hinduism at some level is highly unlikely. What I think is that he is being cautious to not undermine his message of the importance of not throwing away the civilisational-truth upon which the Western Corpus of Laws and Nations were built on. You see, over here in the UK and in the US, this Corpus is under a cultural attack. It is in India too. Indian Vedic culture is under serious attack from the Marxist types. JPB is trying his best to bring forth the foundational meanings and truths upon which the Bible, Christianity and the whole of our present day civilisation is founded upon. Don't forget that these laws are the very laws that declared things like slavery unlawful. They did not have to change the laws. So JBP's point is that these laws are founded on the idea of having a God. On a Transcendent Truth. This is being opposed by the Progressives and the Marxists and the Atheist Scientists types. JBP is someone who is defending Truth. He interprets the Truth as a "meaning" which he calls Logos. He wants someone to talk at that level. Any Vedic scholar can easily discuss this topic with APPRECIATION for the Bible and JBP as they are doing a stellar job. This will bring forth a great age of goodness and light. Youngsters are hungry for meaning in life. Please explain from a Vedic standpoint, how Vedas can bring meaning into a young person's life and JBP will be delighted. This is what I think.
Please post videos in parts and so that people watch videos more and you get more views
VM starts by saying that he had major bad habits like lieing & stealing. Well, habits due hard!
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I don't know a lot about Pandit Ji's oeuvre beyond this conversation, but he isn't right about Peterson's commitment to 'Reason'. The latter is, and has always been an asuric man. There was no glory in what he did at Kathy Newman's show. That episode destroyed the career of a woman who had a family and was years younger than him. If he was really so committed on 'educating her', he should have tried to do it off-camera, or at least come out in support of her after what happened.
Since the beginning of his fame, he has used the guise of victimhood whenever it pleased him, while advocating against it in the worldview he preaches. A typical hypocritical Christian preacher. His narrative of 'personal responsibility' exists only in his rhetoric, not in his social and political actions, where his claim to fame are misguided youth separated from their families by West's misplaced notions of individualism, and no karma of his own, since in his personal capacity he is nothing beyond a sub-par psychologist.
There are a lot of other things, but if so many well-analysed answers on Quora and journalists and reporters and so many similar uninformed videos on his own channel haven't made you realize the degeneracy of his consciousness, a random comment on TH-cam never will. So please don't present him as a baby who was so innocent and 'reasonable man' but was corrupted by the conversation of a misguided Vishal Malwadi. Resist your urge to 'save' him. The person in power here was Jordan Peterson, so the responsibility to refrain from conversations that would amplify adharma was on him.
For all its worth and all due respect, your inability see through the facade and delusions Peterson made around himself is your own karma Pandit Ji, and you, like many confused individuals of this post-modern age, created a delusion of Jordan Peterson being a 'good, rational' person to escape from it.
Good to see these delusions within Hindus are coming apart now. As they say, the asuras in the Kaliyuga don't need God to come on Earth to be killed, they eventually kill themselves. It sometimes saddens me though that it requires Hindus a fundamental attack on their identity to take note of asuric shaktis in the world like they are themselves not one of the most inextricable parts of it. But that sadness is my own karma, and I'll deal with it in my own time. Har Har Mahadev.
I started having second thoughts about him when he started glorifying Christianity despite claiming earlier he was an atheist and then later saying he believes in 'something'. He is a sly silver tongue devil people should be wary of.
@@vaishnavnegi9640 stupidest argument I have ever read. People change and so do their beliefs. I have met people who were atheists and later become devout Hindus. So are they evil for changing their beliefs?
And regarding glorification isn't everyone doing the same. Hindus glorify Hinduism, Christians glorify Christianity and Muslims glorify Islam.
Cmon the women card cathy newman was very condescending sure he could have come out later and said things to her but it was her fault
@@raghavnamasivayam8706 Being dumb isn't a fault. I am sure you are dumb in a lot of aspects too.
@Cheshta Sagar that's a typical response we get from victim mindset people cathy newman deliberately knew what she was doing being condescending towards him he played her his intent wasn't to educate her but to show her how foolish she was
Please edit this and post.
Wonderful analysis. I understand your anger but let’s not use terms like the Holy Ghost blithely because this is what differentiates people of the Dharmik faith from the Abrahamists. There are some comments asking why Dr. Peterson was not called. Please post your clarification in the comments section for the benefit of all. Of course these same people should first ask Dr. Peterson why he chose to call a crypto-Christian and blindly agreed to whatever he said.
Astonished to see such lack of philosophical competence in this panel to intellectually combat the Christian worldview. This discussion uncovers so much about their character, or the lack thereof. They reveal that to have a sharp tongue is never a sure indicator of having a sharp mind. Much mockery of the person of Vishal Mangalwadi and the Christian worldview, it exposes a sense of insecurity among the men concerning the strength and the merits of their worldview.
May be on this panel.
There are so many scholars in India , who can give excellent critic to that Christian.
There are so many books .
U have to understand , many may not be best English speakers
Can someone explain why he has a mask on? Hard to take it seriously
@@jefflawson3574 exactly, this is why no one takes Hindus seriously because of all the nautanki kaam
@@jefflawson3574 I don't perceive him as adding much value either; but what would YOU do with the Abdul, which he is precluded from ?
@@jefflawson3574 are you a hindu
@@jefflawson3574Who is Abdul? Your dad?
Please share a link to the podcast episode by Jordan Peterson, context would greatly help !!
Jordan's daughter is alive, please go see her TH-cam channel. I was not expecting much but at least be factual. It's hard to take anything you people say seriously when you constantly channel this arrogant energy, mockery and sly giggles. you are allowed to disagree with people, I myself do, but the way you fight bad ideas is with good ideas. I hear little/no arguments. You start with calling him a non-entity, your egos won't even let you believe in the idea of having a conversation and fair dialogue god forbid ever have one. I am a Hindu woman by faith and the moral corruption you exhibit in the name of my god is a blemish on my beautiful culture, tradition and its harmonious teachings.
Link please 🤔
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@@vanshsharma4391 I don't know what is wrong. When I click on it, I'm about redirect to the video just fine.
Here, try again - th-cam.com/video/QvESPeFWLHw/w-d-xo.html
Or else just go to Jordan Peterson's page and see his talks with this Mangalvadi guy.
@@vanshsharma4391Search for India, Europe and the Biblical Revolution | Vishal Mangalwadi & Jordan Peterson in youtube. Link works fine for me.
What an absolute disappointment of a conversation, more so, given the tremendous intellectual prowess of the panel.
There was no cohesive structure to the argumentation and no real clarity on which specific aspects of JP's podcast were they planning to engage with.
The conversation meandered needlessly and the cringeworthy laughing and snickering degraded it further.
You can't expect to be taken seriously if this is how your elites/learned ones debate and express their views.
This is a missed opportunity and one can only pray that there would be more serious and better thought out attempts in the future.
They'd do well by not inviting Arya for starters. Guy is an utter buffoon.
Maybe a homage to the original.
And what great conversion was JP doing with Mangalwadi?
> There was no cohesive structure to the argumentation and no real clarity on which specific aspects of JP's podcast were they planning to engage with. >
JP doesn't know that India had a Mughal invasion, invited a charlatan to his podcast, and you are referring to specific aspects of JP's podcast? The whole podcast was a scam. It was that obvious to me. Being serious and talking nonsense (JP and the clown) is better or being sensible (this crowd), and enjoying the lighter moments is?
> You can't expect to be taken seriously if this is how your elites/learned ones debate and express their views. >
Who is "your"? This is the patronising attitude that is being mocked. At least read the other comments and make some sense of the discussion. Or view it again. It was a fantastic talk, and you are disappointed? If you are not Krishna's next avatar, you are nothing but a troll.
This seems really important to you all. Why didn't you have him on to participate?
Yeah, he must be extremely free.
If he gets participated he will get exposed of his rigid superficial views on hinduism and other dharmic religions.
@@prathapcharan Yes, bring him on I say. Instead, Jordan will expose Hinduism for what it is.. Hinduism at its core is nothing but Tantra, and Tantra is Satanism (i.e. a religion of self-worship where you believe you are God and your own will is superior). In Hinduism, there is no difference betweeen creator and creation and that the universe is a self-evolving creator itself, which is a false ideology based on questionable hindu scriptures taught by crafty hindu gurus to naive hindu religious masses.
He will cut through the pandit's arguments surgically like carving a sculptural work.
I hope Peterson talks with you, as it appears that you heard the vishel podcast, but didn’t understand all the points they were communicating. And since you are Hindu, what makes you think you completely understand Christianity? It seems hypocritical that you criticize them for talking about something they don’t understand completely, but you are doing the exact same thing.
Where is the refutation. You are just talking about theology. If they start to expose your weak literature, you are being toast.
You can laugh at and critize the non Hindus, but what are you all doing to counter the massive phony non Hindu yoga bussines stuff? And, the 200 hr. "Yogis" try and correct our Swamis. Do you confront all the Indians likec"sad" guru, Sri Sri, etc. who deny they are Hindu and create phony yoga teachers? And, Satish critizes the dress of others and he dresses like a colonizer and non of the panel had the courage to spesk up. Where are your bindis, malas?
You don't have to wear malas all the time
Vedanta > Yoga
What on earth is the “Guru” doing with a mask on talking to a screen on his own? Talk about virtue signalling.
What's your problem ??
@@raghunandan9290 It takes a special kind of derangement to wear a face mask on camera on your own.
With all due respect, why does Mr Dikshit explain the verse he quotes from the Geeta, Esha Upanishad to illistrate his point. Ignorance is not understood by him.
4 idiots or to be more accurate 4 bramhins 😂
Hiding their crimes and replacing them with mythology or thousands year old history
You people are just using Jordan Peterson to get viewers. How sad. You bring shame to yourselves.
LMAO, they're exposing jp's fallacies in his opinion of India by asking the opinion of a charlatan. The fact he needs to lie about India and use outdated arguments is a bigger shame.
@@marthanda-977 the charlaton vishal
Really that dude jp called some missionary and both of them go on a mutual jerk off calling the colonization as biblical revolution in india.
does robert spencer know you guys hate Christian's why does he talk to you guys at all
LMAO we "hate" missionaries who spread Hinduphobia, hate and attempting to destroy our religion.
If you a respectful Christian who coexists with others then we're cool with you.
Stop playing victim.
We don't hate christians we dislike christianity and it's fundamental concepts
You tell him and get money