As if that made any difference! He still ordered her execution. And to think, Anne Bolelyn gave birth to his greatest child, who grew up and became Queen Elizabeth, I.
@@saffirechanning7286it makes a difference because she was way less likely to die painfully with a sword than with an axe. It usually only took one swing of the sword but it could take two or more swings of an axe to get completely through the neck. Obviously it was the same outcome but one could cause way more suffering before death.
Imagine if Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were never executed and they got an annulment and were both still alive during Mary’s reign what would have happened
Anne & Elizabeth would have had to leave the country. They’d probably go to France. Catherine would have remarried, to a wealthy landowner. Both would have been given generous settlements in exchange for not fighting an annulment.
War!!! Mary was just a bitter cunt who would have come for Anne's head alone! Religion would have been the end for Anne! And Catie would have died aswell! She ould have pushed out an heir, Mary and Lizzy never had kids...
I'm a relative of the Howards through a branch of the family that came to the USA in the 1600s. I never thought it was much to be excited about. The wife of Henry who interests me most has always been Catherine Aragon and Anne of Cleves.
When you look a Little deeper it seems more like she was threatened by Cromwell that if she was woth George and Anne she was against the king. The “evidence” presented by her against George is questionable at best and outward lie fabricated by Cromwell ar worst. She continued to visit “her husband” up until his execution she took him blankets and food and spoke on him as her “dear husband”. The one thing about the Boleyns were they were resourceful and by her siding with the king it ensured her a long career at court she received a widowers payments annually directly from the crown. Not to mention if she had of witnessed any “incestuous” behaviour to admit them at a later date was also treason
Henry was just mad...full stop. Elizabeth 1st also did some brutal things. She was no angel. Such as she had a man in her court locked up in a stone wall , bent over, as punishment for falling in love with one of her ladies in waiting.
Yikes. Perhaps it's time I did some deeper research on her. I knew she was no angel but I'd never heard that. Can you point me towards the place you found that out please?
@@CherryLypps I'm not sure. But I brought a book for my mum to read on Eliz 1st. She told me the story after reading the book. I tall strong man in her court fell in love with a lady in waiting who was a dawf. They had a relationship without the queen's permission. Elizabeth 1st was a very jealous woman at heart. She had the man locked inside a wall bent over. She let him out eventually. Not sure what happened to him after that.
Well, some people will wear the crown even if it kills them 🤷, at least it will go down history that they were queen 😂😂, even though they lost their heads 😅
I wish there was a sound historical account of Lady Jane Boleyn actions at the time of Queen Anne and her brother George, most of what we read and see on film and television in relation to her is fiction.
70,000 is an huge exaggeration - a figure reportedly handed down and repeated throughout the centuries from a dubious source - and is more like 24,000, killed over almost 40 years of his reign, and that is countrywide, involving the execution of ordinary petty criminals (the poor) in local courts, which the King would have been completely unaware of. And this yearly figure of 600-700 executions would have existed before his reign, as the laws which sentancing people to death were roughly unchanged. The figure of 24,000 - as appalling as it is - is contemporary to the era in which they lived.
@@ITEEZ- if Catherine of Aragon's son henry ( who would have been henry the XI after becoming king) would have survived Henry Viii would have never married anne Boleyn jane Seymour Anne of cleves Catherine's Howard and Catherine Par and all would have lived happily
I’m not sure I thought it was botched, but I thought it meant it was horribly unfair. After watching it? It was understandable y he did it. It wasn’t right, but it was in keeping w/the day.
I realize that many of these people were both directly and indirectly involved in the politics of the Court, involving a King who would just as easily kill any of them as swat a fly. Some of them were tied by the availability of favors, money and property to the Monarchy. But this exacted a terrible price on some of them, who can only be described as reckless. We all can imagine how we might have to react in these issues. But for me, I would have simply moved to another Country and swept floors if necessary. Then, they could read about the execution of some of their close relatives...from a very safe distance. Sometimes, being around VERY dangerous people can have a price. Many around Stalin or any other Warlord have to know that their erstwhile benefactor (with power and money) can and will turn against them in a second. I guess they were just "addicted" to great power and money. But many of them paid a horrific price for it. No thanks. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
@@samprimera5545 1. By the time Anne was dallying with the king, Mary was away from court raising her baby; they did not swap in and out of Henry’s bed. 2. George Boleyn was a notorious womanizer; nothing to indicate he was gay. 3. He didn’t marry Jane “for appearances”, he married her because she was a rich Parker heiress. It was a good match for his family politically, nothing to do with appearances. 4. The Other Boleyn Girl is a work of fiction as is your post.
@@samprimera5545 You helped the first person to a lot of false information and then got mad when I attempted to educate you. Please research again whether George Boleyn was gay. And whether there was an incest plot. Neither of those things are accurate and you are slandering Anne Boleyn. As she is one of my heroes, I don’t care for it much.
@@samprimera5545 Anne was not sent away to France for anything to do with Henry. She was banished to Hever Castle. Actually, she meets Henry when she’s recalled from France, her childhood home. You actually have no earthly clue what you’re talking about. :/
@@samprimera5545 I can see this is very important to you, and no amount of letting you know that what you’re talking about are dramatized fictitious incidents is gonna help. So rather than argue with someone who seems old enough to be my parent or older, ima let you have this one, since your insistence on being wrong is stronger than my desire to help you. Good day :)
Grow up you two. History is not just one answer. Just like the law nothing can be ruled out and everything has to be taken into account. I haven’t heard of Anne Boleyn before but I am aware George lost favour because his sister. This is the first time I have read he was gay. The Royal Court was toxic and Henry the VIII was more toxic than most regents. His break from Catholicism liberated the Protestants. His insatiable libido put England on to a course of rugged individualism. Without his evil intentions we would not have had Elizabeth I, our Navy or the Empire. His megalomania put us on a course to enslave two thirds of the globe. Good or bad we can say syphilis founded the Commonwealth.
That isn't necessarily the truth about the unhappy marriage or her betrayal. There has been evidence that wasn't the case. A lot of the profiles you do can use more research into possible alternates instead of just the usual ones. Love the channel
@@elphbanightelf5035 Actually there is no contemporary accounts stating that she betrayed her husband. All accusations were written after her death, as stated in Julia Fox's book "Jane Boleyn, The true story of the infamous Lady Rochford." Also in contemporary dispatches as by people such as Lancelot De Carles or Bishop Burnett or a Portuguese chronicle state only "That woman." But no name. I'm not saying this is the truth but simply one should look at every side instead of simply telling the usual accepted version.
You are right. There's evidence that suggests she was completely innocent. Henry just wanted to get onto the next mare and killing her was the quickest way to end it and still make him look like the victim. How would it have looked if he'd just made it known she lost her head because she hadn't given him a son. Who'd marry that guy. I love that Anne's daughter ruled for longer and did it better. Also the way he dealt with his wives was the reason she never wanted to get married. I love when children learn how not to live by watching their parents and having the moral compass to understand that their parents are wrong. She was a legend.
@@ITEEZ- Nonsense, her father and uncle both grasped for power at court, most people near the king climbed over others for favours from the king, they weren't the only ones. It's a tale as old as time. You play with fire you get burnt. The Seymour family did it as well once their sister Jane caught Henry's eye. Such was court life. If Anne had any sense she should have slept with Henry straight away, he would have soon got bored of her and then she would be free to marry and go on her way. She knew he was a married man but persisted anyway. Unfortunately for her because she didn't give him a son, she lost the game.
Good point, at least they were executed within the privacy of the tower... Never thought about it in that way before, especially when you think of how public George's execution was.
because boylens are too ambitious just to have a position in the court.... it was the father and the uncle who pushed Mary and Anne. Mary was rejected by King Viii. It was Anne, whom King Henry Viii fell inlove....and George....so sad too.
He also had a leg ulcer which stank the place out. I feel sorry for Anne of Cleves, having to sleep with him. As for Katherine Howard, she was having a bit of fun. She mustve had a strong stomach to put up with the stench
@@thrummer1953 I think he was jealous of all the young, virile men in his court, getting it on with his Queen. Yes, I agree, I dont think his equipment worked. It mustve been a kick in the teeth for him knowing he couldnt perform so his wife looked elsewhere.
@@thrummer1953 Definitely. Even Anne of Cleves said he stank ( On the series The Tudors) its quite hilarious, she said it in her German accent which was even more hilarious..She said "He shtink ya"..I cracked up
As a non king or queen in the royal circle for sure. Most people though had quiet peaceful lives you'd think. Terrifying today too. In the Ukraine or recently in Nazi Germany. The Tudors had nothing on that
An amusing story but im not sure of its validity but its about Jane Boleyn. Before her marriage to George Boleyn, Jane was Lady Jane Parker. Because of her proclivity to listen at doorways & spying on people, keeping notes & info for future use. This info was used in bargaining tools for her benefit, but in other words - blackmail Eveyone was always suspicious of her & careful of what they said knowing shed record any info Thus because of pushing her nose into others business she was nicknamed... NOSEY PARKER! ( maybe meghan markle is channelling Jane !!) A well know phrase still used today for those people who are over inquisitive about others business! It could very well be true but the way young women were used in those days by unscrupulous men usually being fathers, brothers or husbands to solicit information for them, anyway possible. Poor Jane may have been used this way & was so used to having been forced to require news or gossip or facts, it became 2nd nature to her. Plus anyone living in royal circles in those times needed to watch their backs & retain info for their survival!! Jane Boleyn nee Parker was such a pretty girl & i think time & history plus some trashy writers have given her a bad rep. Thanks for the info on Jane as she deserves to be seen in a truer & better light! 🇬🇧👧
@@crackersmom2679 Hello there! Actually Camilla's married name is Parker Bowles, ( Peter P.Bowles, who was once going out with Princess Anne before he married Camilla) however her maiden made was Shand Camilla Shand But she does have a royal connection! Her great great grandmother was called Alice Kepple who had an affair with the then married Prince of Wales whos mother was Queen Victoria! Then generations afterwards Alice's descendant Camilla also had a long affair with the then Prince of Wales, Prince, now King Charles! Talk about history repeating itself! 😉 Thanks for your reply 🇬🇧👧
@@crackersmom2679 Thank you for reply, Not Camilla but her ex Husband Andrew Parker Bowles who MAY be related to the Jane Parker family. Camilla's maiden name was Shand. So no relation to Jane Parker but to Alice Kepple who just over 120 yrs ago had an affair with the then Prince of Wales ( son of Queen Victoria) 🇬🇧👧
Jane was a Boleyn by marriage to Anne’s brother , George. Jane didn’t like Anne. George hated Jane. Jane was jealous of his relationship with his sister the Queen. Jane also facilitated rendezvous between Catherine Howard, the queen after Anne of Cleves, and Thomas Culpepper.
Catherine Howard and Culpepper. Catherine par was in love with Thomas Seymour who she planned to marry after her husband died but then the King decided she was his and who's going to argue with the head lopping Henry. Catherine Parr survived Henry by the skin of her teeth and married Thomas Seymour 6 months after Henry died. She died in childbirth about a year later. Thomas Seymour died soon after and her daughter Mary disappeared from historical records.
@@CherryLypps I fixed the error. Perhaps I was typing my post rather late at night. Also, Jane Boleyn’s, widow of George Boleyn, luck ran out with KH8; Jane was executed for being complicit in facilitating the queen’s meetings with Thomas Culpepper.
Yep. I wonder if any of us know all the facts but it occurred to me it was probably just a mix up. I do that also. So many Catherines he married who can keep it straight anyway. We forget that the survivors write history and through Henry's reign not many survived to tell their story. Much of the accounts were probably written to back up the lies they'd told to have people killed. I should state that Thomas Seymour didn't actually die like I'd said. He was executed for being inappropriate with the young Elizabeth and I believe Edward, Elizabeth's brother had him killed. Can't remember whether he got trimmed at the neck or hung, strung, drawn and quartered.
@@CherryLypps Thanks for catching my error. I think Tommy Seymour was beheaded, but it took more than one chop. Horrible. I really think it his attempting to kidnap the king that was the final poorly thought-through plan, in a life of poorly thought-through plans, that lost him his life. The truism that the winners write history has stuck with me since first hearing it. 😀
Your title is rather misleading. A "horrific execution" implies something unusual happened. Maybe it took several swings and she was screaming in agony, etc. I will concede that any public execution is horrific but you make it sound like this execution was particularly bad. It was actually very routine.
Yeah mostly it was sad. Thomas Cromwell's execution was horrific. Poor guy apparently lived through the first 2 swings. I'm not sure how accurate that last bit is but either way it's definitely horrific.
Poor girl. I believe most historians don't think she and Culpeper fully consummated the affair. Love letters and heavy petting. My 24th great GF was one of Culpepers jurors. Hope there isn't a curse!
Never knew that! Makes sense. Can you imagine the poor mother and father? Having to sit through all this, and having to keep silent and pretends they agreed with the king, knowing if they say anything the king will destroy the rest of your family?
Why is this channel suddenly propagating these lies against Jane? I’m positive it’s been more balanced in the past and noted that those tall tales were exactly that: tall tales. Jane had nothing to do with George and Anne’s murders. Anyone who picked up a book about Jane would know this. I’m so disappointed in this video.
"some have referred" "she may" "it is believed" "she was implicated" its very obvious that he is being impartial, he is relaying the information that he has found on the subject, its very clear that there is sympathy for Jane in this video and the video title. Going as far as to say at the end of the video that what people speculate is most likely not true. Maybe if you watched the video properly you'd know that
@@언니서한 I did watch the video to the end, for your information. There was no “balance” until the end of the video and even that was a weak, pointless attempt which took up no more than a few seconds. You need to reconsider your condescending attitude next time someone expresses their disappointment.
henry 8th entire reign / his whole era just seems to me gross awful yuck, like what an horrid sh itty time and place to live, sod that for goddam joke.
That is up for debate. Historians say no. However…. The tombstone at Clonony castle in Ireland possibly throws a monkey wrench at these historians. Either, George Boleyn, 2nd Viscount Rochford had an illegitimate child or Jane was pregnant at the time of George’s execution and went off to Ireland to secretly have the baby boy. His name? George Boleyn II, Dean of Litchfield. And he is my 12th great grandfather.
The French were kinder (I'm being facetious). They used the guillotine, a lot less traumatic which Anne Bolyne requested. It would have been a constant game of chess and luck to survive in that world.Unfortunately though, history is littered with examples that highlight the human propensity for cruelty.
@@ann-mariejones2824 dont be ridiiculous, the guillotine was not invented until much later and people in France were killed just as brutally, as in England
@@glen7318Thank you Glen. She requested a French swordsman as they were known to be very efficient, where as the local executioners not so - leading to a lot more suffering and agony for the prisoner. It was only to highlight that many cultures of the time were equally as cruel as the English. Eg Spanish inquisition.
Anne Bolelyn wasn't killed by an axeman, Henry VIII had an expert swordsman come over from France.
Yes, but this is about Jane, her sister in law.
This is about Jane not Anne.
He said Jane was killed by an axeman
As if that made any difference! He still ordered her execution. And to think, Anne Bolelyn gave birth to his greatest child, who grew up and became Queen Elizabeth, I.
@@saffirechanning7286it makes a difference because she was way less likely to die painfully with a sword than with an axe. It usually only took one swing of the sword but it could take two or more swings of an axe to get completely through the neck. Obviously it was the same outcome but one could cause way more suffering before death.
Must've been hard being a Boleyn in those days....😔
They made it hard for themselves.
It was being anyone except a Tudor back then, even for Thomas more
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Her father did OK.
Hard to be a Howard too.
Imagine if Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were never executed and they got an annulment and were both still alive during Mary’s reign what would have happened
Mary would've killed them
Anne & Elizabeth would have had to leave the country. They’d probably go to France. Catherine would have remarried, to a wealthy landowner. Both would have been given generous settlements in exchange for not fighting an annulment.
The Catholic Church would have granted the annulment , under Vatican 2.
Vatican 1 really sucks .
@@raumaanking In Mary's eyes they're whores who displaced her mother and made her life miserable
War!!! Mary was just a bitter cunt who would have come for Anne's head alone! Religion would have been the end for Anne! And Catie would have died aswell! She ould have pushed out an heir, Mary and Lizzy never had kids...
I'm a relative of the Howards through a branch of the family that came to the USA in the 1600s. I never thought it was much to be excited about. The wife of Henry who interests me most has always been Catherine Aragon and Anne of Cleves.
For me it's Anne of Cleves and Catherine Howard!
It was hard on women back then period. Brood mares and politicians pawns.
Yes Catherine!!!
Yes my favourite was definitely Catherine of Aragon who loved Henry to the very end she was a true Queen
If you didn't think it was anything to be excited about, you wouldn't have posted about it.
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I get outrageously excited when I see you upload!
Ooh er missus .
Thanks!
When you look a Little deeper it seems more like she was threatened by Cromwell that if she was woth George and Anne she was against the king. The “evidence” presented by her against George is questionable at best and outward lie fabricated by Cromwell ar worst. She continued to visit “her husband” up until his execution she took him blankets and food and spoke on him as her “dear husband”. The one thing about the Boleyns were they were resourceful and by her siding with the king it ensured her a long career at court she received a widowers payments annually directly from the crown. Not to mention if she had of witnessed any “incestuous” behaviour to admit them at a later date was also treason
Henry was just mad...full stop. Elizabeth 1st also did some brutal things. She was no angel. Such as she had a man in her court locked up in a stone wall , bent over, as punishment for falling in love with one of her ladies in waiting.
Yikes. Perhaps it's time I did some deeper research on her. I knew she was no angel but I'd never heard that. Can you point me towards the place you found that out please?
@@CherryLypps I'm not sure. But I brought a book for my mum to read on Eliz 1st. She told me the story after reading the book. I tall strong man in her court fell in love with a lady in waiting who was a dawf. They had a relationship without the queen's permission. Elizabeth 1st was a very jealous woman at heart.
She had the man locked inside a wall bent over. She let him out eventually. Not sure what happened to him after that.
Yikes I say again. Scary. I'm glad I didn't have to live back then. I wouldn't have lasted long.
@@samanthaesra4035 evidence?
Play dangerous games, win dangerous prizes!
After Boleyn, who would be stupid enough to marry him. It was a possible death sentence.
It wasn't a choice for the women
@@Hammie_Hammie they couldn’t refuse? How dreadful. Hide.
Well, some people will wear the crown even if it kills them 🤷, at least it will go down history that they were queen 😂😂, even though they lost their heads 😅
@@Marie-e5n true
I agree entirely
I wish there was a sound historical account of Lady Jane Boleyn actions at the time of Queen Anne and her brother George, most of what we read and see on film and television in relation to her is fiction.
You are an amazing Historian thank you for sharing
70,000 is an huge exaggeration - a figure reportedly handed down and repeated throughout the centuries from a dubious source - and is more like 24,000, killed over almost 40 years of his reign, and that is countrywide, involving the execution of ordinary petty criminals (the poor) in local courts, which the King would have been completely unaware of. And this yearly figure of 600-700 executions would have existed before his reign, as the laws which sentancing people to death were roughly unchanged. The figure of 24,000 - as appalling as it is - is contemporary to the era in which they lived.
If Anne son had lived she would of never been murdered
If Katherine of aragon son had lived he never would have divorced her
@@b.m.t.h.3961 If Anne son had lived she would of never been murdered
*would HAVE, not would of
@@ITEEZ- if Catherine of Aragon's son henry ( who would have been henry the XI after becoming king) would have survived Henry Viii would have never married anne Boleyn jane Seymour Anne of cleves Catherine's Howard and Catherine Par and all would have lived happily
@@sarwatplays1223 Same for Anne, if her son survived she would have lived happily. But neither of them did and you have to live with that 🤷
The tudor times was a scary time to live poor Ann Boleyn and Catherine Howard ✨✨✨✨✨🌷🌷🌷
What i don't understand is no woman would commit adultery behind the kings back knowing fully what would happen to her, no way would any do that
well, Old Henry knew how to save on divorce lawyers! thanks for the history, good video I enjoyed it!
Aw... wasn't Henry VIII such a kind and compassionate King? I mean, only 70,000 people died under his reign.
Head line was a bit misleading. It leads you to believe that she had a botched execution when in fact it was clean and quick
I’m not sure I thought it was botched, but I thought it meant it was horribly unfair. After watching it? It was understandable y he did it. It wasn’t right, but it was in keeping w/the day.
@@KDSimaI took it to mean it was botched myself.
Her head was impaled on London bridge, so many people forget to mention this.
The more of these i watch, the more im convinced henry was a man-child who shouldn't have been a king.
Jane didn't help the relationship, she encouraged and arranged it, knowing it could result in their deaths.
I realize that many of these people were both directly and indirectly involved in the politics of the Court, involving a King who would just as easily kill any of them as swat a fly. Some of them were tied by the availability of favors, money and property to the Monarchy. But this exacted a terrible price on some of them, who can only be described as reckless.
We all can imagine how we might have to react in these issues. But for me, I would have simply moved to another Country and swept floors if necessary. Then, they could read about the execution of some of their close relatives...from a very safe distance. Sometimes, being around VERY dangerous people can have a price. Many around Stalin or any other Warlord have to know that their erstwhile benefactor (with power and money) can and will turn against them in a second.
I guess they were just "addicted" to great power and money. But many of them paid a horrific price for it. No thanks.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
"Horrific" seems a bit much. "Ordinary" would be more appropriate.
Tower of London is creepy and haunted. Scary place. 😬😬😬
Jane was the one that told King Henry that George and Anne had an incestuous relationship if I remember right
The Holbein drawings are so beautiful.
Queen Katherine Howard was said to be a teenager but all the portraits of her make her to look like an older woman. Was this intentional?
I hadn't heard of her before...I knew she wasn't Anne's sister but I didn't know Anne had a brother. The Tudor times were such a microcosm
@@samprimera5545
1. By the time Anne was dallying with the king, Mary was away from court raising her baby; they did not swap in and out of Henry’s bed.
2. George Boleyn was a notorious womanizer; nothing to indicate he was gay.
3. He didn’t marry Jane “for appearances”, he married her because she was a rich Parker heiress. It was a good match for his family politically, nothing to do with appearances.
4. The Other Boleyn Girl is a work of fiction as is your post.
@@samprimera5545 You helped the first person to a lot of false information and then got mad when I attempted to educate you. Please research again whether George Boleyn was gay. And whether there was an incest plot.
Neither of those things are accurate and you are slandering Anne Boleyn. As she is one of my heroes, I don’t care for it much.
@@samprimera5545 Anne was not sent away to France for anything to do with Henry. She was banished to Hever Castle. Actually, she meets Henry when she’s recalled from France, her childhood home.
You actually have no earthly clue what you’re talking about. :/
@@samprimera5545 I can see this is very important to you, and no amount of letting you know that what you’re talking about are dramatized fictitious incidents is gonna help.
So rather than argue with someone who seems old enough to be my parent or older, ima let you have this one, since your insistence on being wrong is stronger than my desire to help you.
Good day :)
Grow up you two. History is not just one answer. Just like the law nothing can be ruled out and everything has to be taken into account. I haven’t heard of Anne Boleyn before but I am aware George lost favour because his sister. This is the first time I have read he was gay. The Royal Court was toxic and Henry the VIII was more toxic than most regents. His break from Catholicism liberated the Protestants. His insatiable libido put England on to a course of rugged individualism. Without his evil intentions we would not have had Elizabeth I, our Navy or the Empire. His megalomania put us on a course to enslave two thirds of the globe. Good or bad we can say syphilis founded the Commonwealth.
Another great video for lunch break 👍
That isn't necessarily the truth about the unhappy marriage or her betrayal. There has been evidence that wasn't the case. A lot of the profiles you do can use more research into possible alternates instead of just the usual ones. Love the channel
@@elphbanightelf5035 Actually there is no contemporary accounts stating that she betrayed her husband. All accusations were written after her death, as stated in Julia Fox's book "Jane Boleyn, The true story of the infamous Lady Rochford." Also in contemporary dispatches as by people such as Lancelot De Carles or Bishop Burnett or a Portuguese chronicle state only "That woman." But no name. I'm not saying this is the truth but simply one should look at every side instead of simply telling the usual accepted version.
@@janicepyke5313 * _contemporaneous_
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 Thanks for the grammar correction.
You are right. There's evidence that suggests she was completely innocent. Henry just wanted to get onto the next mare and killing her was the quickest way to end it and still make him look like the victim. How would it have looked if he'd just made it known she lost her head because she hadn't given him a son. Who'd marry that guy. I love that Anne's daughter ruled for longer and did it better. Also the way he dealt with his wives was the reason she never wanted to get married. I love when children learn how not to live by watching their parents and having the moral compass to understand that their parents are wrong. She was a legend.
@@CherryLypps That's why it makes me cringe when they talk about a love story between them. He's the reverse version of a back widow spider!
Speaking of incest. Henry was married to his cousins.
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Poor Boleyns, they were the targets of the mad Henry the VIII
They also willingly made themselves targets!
@@b.m.t.h.3961 But Mary Boleyn Ann sister was lucky even that she gave a hard time to Henry because of money matters
@@b.m.t.h.3961 no they didn't. They felt like they had to because they were pressured
The Bolyns brought on their own misfortune. They were a family of social climbers 🧗♀️ who overreached.
@@ITEEZ-
Nonsense, her father and uncle both grasped for power at court, most people near the king climbed over others for favours from the king, they weren't the only ones. It's a tale as old as time. You play with fire you get burnt. The Seymour family did it as well once their sister Jane caught Henry's eye. Such was court life. If Anne had any sense she should have slept with Henry straight away, he would have soon got bored of her and then she would be free to marry and go on her way. She knew he was a married man but persisted anyway. Unfortunately for her because she didn't give him a son, she lost the game.
Good point, at least they were executed within the privacy of the tower... Never thought about it in that way before, especially when you think of how public George's execution was.
because boylens are too ambitious just to have a position in the court.... it was the father and the uncle who pushed Mary and Anne. Mary was rejected by King Viii. It was Anne, whom King Henry Viii fell inlove....and George....so sad too.
Is it posible that Henry became Impotent in middle age? We know that he became morbidly obese and developed Diabetes.
He also had a leg ulcer which stank the place out. I feel sorry for Anne of Cleves, having to sleep with him. As for Katherine Howard, she was having a bit of fun. She mustve had a strong stomach to put up with the stench
@@pain-killeryates5448 I heard. Gross. I was wondering if he killed her to hide that he couldn't get it up anymore.
@@thrummer1953 I think he was jealous of all the young, virile men in his court, getting it on with his Queen. Yes, I agree, I dont think his equipment worked. It mustve been a kick in the teeth for him knowing he couldnt perform so his wife looked elsewhere.
@@pain-killeryates5448 Yes, I think we're onto something here.
@@thrummer1953 Definitely. Even Anne of Cleves said he stank ( On the series The Tudors) its quite hilarious, she said it in her German accent which was even more hilarious..She said "He shtink ya"..I cracked up
Always a nice brutal story.
Terrifying to be alive in those times!
As a non king or queen in the royal circle for sure. Most people though had quiet peaceful lives you'd think. Terrifying today too. In the Ukraine or recently in Nazi Germany. The Tudors had nothing on that
@garycostellnothing compares to that shit hole called Israel o4294
King henry 8 was a total disgrace ! Henry 8 was England version of ivan the terrible.
Lmao 😂😂😂
All I can think about is her going mad in the tower throwing feces at the walls in “The Tudors”
I guess since Henry killed over 6,000 people is easy to find content for your channel huh LOL
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He killed many more than 6k. Many were children. All in the name of religion.
A sad ending for being a complicit in deceiving the narcissistic king . Greetings from Central America 🇵🇦👋Enjoy Tudor history 😊
Karma was a byatch to Jane..She was involved in the downfall of her husband and sister in law, and she ends up beheaded due to her own shenanigans...
An amusing story but im not sure of its validity but its about Jane
Boleyn.
Before her marriage to George Boleyn, Jane was Lady Jane Parker.
Because of her proclivity to listen at doorways & spying on people, keeping notes & info for future use.
This info was used in bargaining tools for her benefit, but in other words - blackmail
Eveyone was always suspicious of her & careful of what they said knowing shed record any info
Thus because of pushing her nose into others business she was nicknamed...
NOSEY PARKER!
( maybe meghan markle is channelling Jane !!)
A well know phrase still used today for those people who are over inquisitive about others business!
It could very well be true but the way young women were used in those days by unscrupulous men usually being fathers, brothers or husbands to solicit information for them, anyway possible.
Poor Jane may have been used this way & was so used to having been forced to require news or gossip or facts, it became 2nd nature to her.
Plus anyone living in royal circles in those times needed to watch their backs & retain info for their survival!!
Jane Boleyn nee Parker was such a pretty girl & i think time & history plus some trashy writers have given her a bad rep.
Thanks for the info on Jane as she deserves to be seen in a truer & better light!
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Parker eh? Long ago relative of Camilla Parker Bowles, now Queen Consort?
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Hello there!
Actually Camilla's married name is Parker Bowles, ( Peter P.Bowles, who was once going out with Princess Anne before he married Camilla) however her maiden made was Shand
Camilla Shand
But she does have a royal connection!
Her great great grandmother was called Alice Kepple who had an affair with the then married
Prince of Wales whos mother was Queen Victoria!
Then generations afterwards Alice's descendant Camilla also had a long affair with the then Prince of Wales, Prince, now King Charles!
Talk about history repeating itself! 😉
Thanks for your reply
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Thank you for reply,
Not Camilla but her ex Husband
Andrew Parker Bowles who MAY be related to the Jane Parker family.
Camilla's maiden name was Shand.
So no relation to Jane Parker but to Alice Kepple who just over 120 yrs ago had an affair with the then Prince of Wales ( son of Queen Victoria)
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Jane was a Boleyn by marriage to Anne’s brother , George. Jane didn’t like Anne. George hated Jane. Jane was jealous of his relationship with his sister the Queen. Jane also facilitated rendezvous between Catherine Howard, the queen after Anne of Cleves, and Thomas Culpepper.
Catherine Howard and Culpepper. Catherine par was in love with Thomas Seymour who she planned to marry after her husband died but then the King decided she was his and who's going to argue with the head lopping Henry. Catherine Parr survived Henry by the skin of her teeth and married Thomas Seymour 6 months after Henry died. She died in childbirth about a year later. Thomas Seymour died soon after and her daughter Mary disappeared from historical records.
@@CherryLypps I fixed the error. Perhaps I was typing my post rather late at night. Also, Jane Boleyn’s, widow of George Boleyn, luck ran out with KH8; Jane was executed for being complicit in facilitating the queen’s meetings with Thomas Culpepper.
Yep. I wonder if any of us know all the facts but it occurred to me it was probably just a mix up. I do that also. So many Catherines he married who can keep it straight anyway. We forget that the survivors write history and through Henry's reign not many survived to tell their story. Much of the accounts were probably written to back up the lies they'd told to have people killed. I should state that Thomas Seymour didn't actually die like I'd said. He was executed for being inappropriate with the young Elizabeth and I believe Edward, Elizabeth's brother had him killed. Can't remember whether he got trimmed at the neck or hung, strung, drawn and quartered.
@@CherryLypps Thanks for catching my error. I think Tommy Seymour was beheaded, but it took more than one chop. Horrible. I really think it his attempting to kidnap the king that was the final poorly thought-through plan, in a life of poorly thought-through plans, that lost him his life. The truism that the winners write history has stuck with me since first hearing it. 😀
@@CherryLypps you really dont know?
Your title is rather misleading. A "horrific execution" implies something unusual happened. Maybe it took several swings and she was screaming in agony, etc. I will concede that any public execution is horrific but you make it sound like this execution was particularly bad. It was actually very routine.
Yeah mostly it was sad. Thomas Cromwell's execution was horrific. Poor guy apparently lived through the first 2 swings. I'm not sure how accurate that last bit is but either way it's definitely horrific.
Poor girl. I believe most historians don't think she and Culpeper fully consummated the affair. Love letters and heavy petting. My 24th great GF was one of Culpepers jurors. Hope there isn't a curse!
The term bowling actually comes from the Boelyns due to their heads rolling around.
Never knew that! Makes sense. Can you imagine the poor mother and father? Having to sit through all this, and having to keep silent and pretends they agreed with the king, knowing if they say anything the king will destroy the rest of your family?
Is that true?! Really?@
of course not, The boleyns were originally Bullens@@saffirechanning7286
Yes a pain in the neck 😮
Why is this channel suddenly propagating these lies against Jane? I’m positive it’s been more balanced in the past and noted that those tall tales were exactly that: tall tales. Jane had nothing to do with George and Anne’s murders. Anyone who picked up a book about Jane would know this. I’m so disappointed in this video.
"some have referred" "she may" "it is believed" "she was implicated" its very obvious that he is being impartial, he is relaying the information that he has found on the subject, its very clear that there is sympathy for Jane in this video and the video title. Going as far as to say at the end of the video that what people speculate is most likely not true. Maybe if you watched the video properly you'd know that
@@언니서한 I did watch the video to the end, for your information. There was no “balance” until the end of the video and even that was a weak, pointless attempt which took up no more than a few seconds. You need to reconsider your condescending attitude next time someone expresses their disappointment.
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He was Henry the murderer that's why he had a horrible death
Sad
Portrayed by Joanne King in the Tudor TV Series
History is starting to doubt this version of Jane. It's looking like Jane was actually happily married & liked Anne & Mary,
The good old days, when enabling hanky-panky could get you killed.
If knowing how ruthless Henry why would any of his wives dare to cheat on him?
henry 8th entire reign / his whole era just seems to me gross awful yuck, like what an horrid sh itty time and place to live, sod that for goddam joke.
Jane Boleyn: world's first feminist.
Considering this why hasn’t Jane been accused of the same for Anne considering
Yes it was tough of being a Boleyns and I wish Anne Boleyn never married Henry VIII 👎🏽
There are no know portraits of George Boleyn.
Beauli is not in Essex, other than that, a good account.
I want to watch this so bad, but this guy's robotic british accent is too annoying.
That's not a British accent - it's just annoying...
No axe was used
Exactly how many members of the Boleyn family did Henry, VIII have executed?
Three. Ann, George and Jane
Hey, wasn't his other executed wife, Catherine Howard a cousin of the Boleyn's?
@@saffirechanning7286Catherine was a cousin of Anne Boleyn indeed
@@analog-pedals Damn, he was trying to wipe out that entire family!
Queen Catherine of Aragon was not Henty's first wife. She was is wife.
At least it only took one chop.
Iv always known theirs more to Jane than the 2 dimension character of yesteryear
As much as these people regarded their "religious" beliefs, they were evil , brutal Murderers.
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The narrators voice .....hard to watch right though to the end
she looked quite testy
Did she have children?
That is up for debate. Historians say no. However…. The tombstone at Clonony castle in Ireland possibly throws a monkey wrench at these historians. Either, George Boleyn, 2nd Viscount Rochford had an illegitimate child or Jane was pregnant at the time of George’s execution and went off to Ireland to secretly have the baby boy. His name? George Boleyn II, Dean of Litchfield. And he is my 12th great grandfather.
Not that voice again
It's lucky the kings and queens stopped beheading their wives and husbands!
How would the english royalty survive that?
what are you on about
The 30th of February?
13th
Lmao 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Again, these videos are very interesting, but the sing-songy narration voice is annoying.
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The English were a cruel lot
The French were kinder (I'm being facetious). They used the guillotine, a lot less traumatic which Anne Bolyne requested. It would have been a constant game of chess and luck to survive in that world.Unfortunately though, history is littered with examples that highlight the human propensity for cruelty.
The English loved watching these executiins
@@ann-mariejones2824 dont be ridiiculous, the guillotine was not invented until much later and people in France were killed just as brutally, as in England
@@glen7318Thank you Glen. She requested a French swordsman as they were known to be very efficient, where as the local executioners not so - leading to a lot more suffering and agony for the prisoner. It was only to highlight that many cultures of the time were equally as cruel as the English. Eg Spanish inquisition.
@@glen7318 I deliberately added that I was being facetious when I wrote that the French were kinder.
People can complain all they want but history is fascinating and people aren't perfect!
King Charles has said many nice things about psychopathic Henry 8th!!!!
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Her name is Ann boelyn.
The one married to the King, yes, but this post is about Jane Boleyn, who was married to Anne’s brother.
Hmmmm Women acting Catty even in the Medieval times… Looks like nothing has changed..🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️😂
Yes and men living double standards and misusing their power...yup nothing has changed lol
The boleyns were all scum 🤣
None of these pictures look like the same person, they are CLEARLY different people. History needs a rethink, if this is how bad it is.
She had it coming. Horrible person.
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