I would like to see a test where a person only look at the monitor but doesn’t interact with it. I feel like anything past 120hz is mostly about the feel and not the smoothness of the image
It’s very strange how 144 or 180 isn’t as much of a difference to 240 yet 60 to 100 is a 40 fps difference, 144 to 240 is 96 numbers, and 180 to 240 is 50. Shouldn't technically 144 to 240 show the biggest difference to 240?
i have watched a lot of your videos, but i have not found the right monitor for me. I have the alienware aw2521HFA 240hz monitor. I dont like the monitor bec of its ghosting at fastest input delay. What monitor woud you recommend for 1080p 240hz and no ghosting or motion blur? thx.
Nice vídeo! Have a question. For competitive gaming the monitor frequency is always more important than response time/input lag? I don't understand very well, like in my case, using ViewSonic xg2431 with BFI off resulting in lower inputlag and the monitor looks better/more smooth. Obviously when BFI is on i have better visuals but isn't smooth like BFI off.
Thanks! Good question: I'd argue to say that input lag + response time is more important than the refresh rate (above 144hz). Ie, I'd recommend a low input lag + fantastic response time 144hz, rather than a slower/bad input lag 240hz+ monitor. As per this video + my frame-by-frame analysis in my older video. As for BFI, that's less to do with smoothness but rather motion clarity. As per my VS review, I suggest having PureXP disabled for that reason, but understand it's one of the key selling points of the monitor. Tricky one, but ultimately is why I don't recommend the VS to comp gamers.
Black frame insertion you need vsync ON for it to look smooth or it will look stuttery, but that introduces input lag, or have a super high frame rate 2-3 times refresh rate, something along those lines, I can't remember
Is there any way for us to measure input lag and initial response time without any specialized tools? Is is the osrtt needed? Want to see how my monitor performs
@@konchy I don't, it's the same method used by the best in the business - ie from TFT Central and PC Monitors; they've got info on it. But effectively it's not something you'll be able to do. It's called SMTT and is a program that's now no longer available to the public (at least from what I'm aware)!
Whatever one matches your pc specsand display settings in game.. My displays are perfect for my pc specs and in game display settings I9 12900k rtx 3080ti Lg c4 55 inch and a Acer 2k 240hz monitor. Here's what matters most.. your choice to play in a lazy boy recliner or at a desktop.
@TotallydubbedHD it's about the same 144hz = 6.94ms and 165hz = 6.06ms which is only a 0.88ms 240hz = 4.17ms and 300hz=3.33ms which is only a 0.84ms difference so they are about the same different, considering you couldn't tell the difference from 144hz and 240hz there is no surprise you can't see the fluidity gain between 144hz and 165hz neither can I, but if you could tell the difference between 240hz and 300hz than the difference from 144hz and 240hz is day and night compared to 240hz vs 300hz the difference from 144hz to 240hz is a 2.77ms which is almost quadruple the difference between 240hz and 300hz
@TotallydubbedHD I could tell the difference between 144hz and 240hz it's not immediately clear it's subtle, but I could still notice it or 165hz to 240 but 240hz vs 300hz I can't tell the difference and jumping to 360hz even that was unnoticeable and jumping to 540hz from 240hz is very slight, 240hz vs 540hz = 120hz vs 165hz.
if you had the choice between 28'' 4k and 144hz and 27'' 2k and 240hz which would you go with? mainly playing fps, more precisely wz2 (where u basically arent able to reach even close to 240 fps stable) with a 7800xt
@@CodeOnBlocks @lilpain1997 appreciate it. got myself the asus tuf VG27AQML1A now with 240hz. was honestly hoping to find sth between 27'" and 32" but the only ones are those 28" 4k ones ...
it probably doesnt make any real sense but im more comfortable with a monitor with a number of HZ evenly divisible by 60 so id skip 144 and 165 for 120 180 240 or 300. though you could always just set the other two to 120
I mainly play CS2 and also have about 2.5k game hours on CS(in the same boat as you). I am a competitive player but do not wish to go pro or play tournaments. Here is my situation: I am planning to buy a new pc and have shortlisted 2 PCs with rtx 4070 and 4070 super. 4070 is 200$ cheaper than the 4070super and will push 195fps at 1440p in cs2. With 4070 super I'm assuming it would easily push 240fps on cs2. The monitors i have in mind are the LG Ultragear 27'' 2k 240hz and 165 hz ($100 difference). My question to you: is it worth it to get 4070 Super with 240hz over 4070 with 165hz. The difference between the 2 setups would be $300. Is it really worth $300 to just get extra fps from 165 to 240? NOTE: I'm sorry for the big question but would really appreciate your help putting this debate in my head to bed. (been losing too much sleep thinking about this lol! Thanks in advance.) Your decision will be my final decision (no pressure haha)
Both GPUs will likely push out over 240hz at 1440p (depending on your settings) on CS2 - I can't suggest or comment about the monitor but would look at my best monitor roundup on my channel. And yes, I would suggest going for a higher refresh rate monitor, as per the video.
What shock me more than u being able to tell the difference between 240hz and 300hz as there are people who can tell between 144hz and 165hz and knowing they are pretty much equilvant, I was surprised you where able to tell the difference between 144hz and 240hz, those who can tell between 144hz and 165hz tell alone 240hz vs 300hz than the difference from 144hz and 240hz should be a day and night difference, people who can tell the difference from 144hz to 165hz or 240hz vs 300hz could tell the difference between any refresh rate and if you could tell the difference from 270hz to 300hz where there is partially no difference your eyes are ridiculously amazing, even the most competitive winning level tornoment games yes they can tell between 144hz and 165hz but even they have to put mints amount of concentration when comparing these 2, most people can't even tell the difference from 144hz to 300hz, and we know the jump from 240hz to 300hz is ridiculously negligible, what gets me if how you didn't get guess 144hz vs 240hz right. To me, it's like saying you can't tell the difference when jumping from 60hz to 144hz, but you can tell from 144hz to 165hz. Okay the difference from 60 to 144 is bigger but difference from 144hz to 240hz its not day and night it's very subtle let alone 144hz vs 300hz even but compared to 240hz vs 300hz 144hz to 240hz is 4× bigger jump same could be said about 60hz vs 144hz compared to 144hz vs 180 or 240hz.
@TotallydubbedHD no what surprises me you not being able to tell the difference between 144hz and 240hz, if you can tell the difference from 240hz to 300hz which is a 0.8333ms difference under 1ms while 144hz to 240hz very minimal but it's a 2.777ms difference which is day and night compared to 0.833ms, and the thing is once you get to highers hz 0.8333ms is indistinguishable, I know there are outliers out there who could tell the difference between 240hz and 300hz even the most competitors csgo player struggle to see the difference between 120hz vs 144hz = 240hz vs 360hz but let alone everyone sees difference differently what gets me is how you couldn't tell between 144hz and 240hz.
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Video timestamps:
Intro: 00:00
Response time: 01:09
Input lag & Frame Times: 04:12
Motion blur: 10:03
Blind tests: 10:46
CSGO gaming: 15:18
Verdict: 17:43
Nice video. What's a molitor?
Sorry, what?
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Grow up 🤡
@@Gtmsoundz0324 haha
I would like to see a test where a person only look at the monitor but doesn’t interact with it.
I feel like anything past 120hz is mostly about the feel and not the smoothness of the image
Good job man👍
Thanks!
I'm watching the difference between 240 and 300 hz on a 144hz monitor
While also watching a video rendered at 60Hz 😂
60vs 144 diff is night n day
144 vs 240 diff is night n day
240 vs 240 + back light stropping, diff is night n day
240 vs 280, i cant tell a diff tho
@@jake9854 ha fair enough
@@jake9854144 vs 240 hz price is night and day
cool test
Thanks!
what if i play a mix between singleplayer and rpg games and also esport titles ?? should i still invest in a 240hz or go for a 165hz for example
I'd go for a high refresh rate monitor then to cater for you eSports needs
It’s very strange how 144 or 180 isn’t as much of a difference to 240 yet 60 to 100 is a 40 fps difference, 144 to 240 is 96 numbers, and 180 to 240 is 50. Shouldn't technically 144 to 240 show the biggest difference to 240?
i have watched a lot of your videos, but i have not found the right monitor for me. I have the alienware aw2521HFA 240hz monitor. I dont like the monitor bec of its ghosting at fastest input delay. What monitor woud you recommend for 1080p 240hz and no ghosting or motion blur? thx.
Suggest you watch this: th-cam.com/video/tGH3SJpoOAQ/w-d-xo.html
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Nice vídeo!
Have a question. For competitive gaming the monitor frequency is always more important than response time/input lag?
I don't understand very well, like in my case, using ViewSonic xg2431 with BFI off resulting in lower inputlag and the monitor looks better/more smooth. Obviously when BFI is on i have better visuals but isn't smooth like BFI off.
Thanks!
Good question: I'd argue to say that input lag + response time is more important than the refresh rate (above 144hz). Ie, I'd recommend a low input lag + fantastic response time 144hz, rather than a slower/bad input lag 240hz+ monitor. As per this video + my frame-by-frame analysis in my older video.
As for BFI, that's less to do with smoothness but rather motion clarity. As per my VS review, I suggest having PureXP disabled for that reason, but understand it's one of the key selling points of the monitor. Tricky one, but ultimately is why I don't recommend the VS to comp gamers.
Black frame insertion you need vsync ON for it to look smooth or it will look stuttery, but that introduces input lag, or have a super high frame rate 2-3 times refresh rate, something along those lines, I can't remember
@@Slixbrah that's strange, because when I turn BFI off my inputlag is lower, if I active BFI and Vsync will increase the inputlag, right?
I am getting 24" 300hz 1080p and 27' 240hz 1440p monitor at same price and I play only Valorant what should I buy?
Personally, I'd get 1440p.
@TotallydubbedHD ok thanks 👍
I’m trying to buy a monitor for my Xbox seris s do you have any recommendations for a good monitor Hz that I should get?
No more than 144hz is needed for consoles.
Is there any way for us to measure input lag and initial response time without any specialized tools? Is is the osrtt needed? Want to see how my monitor performs
Nope, you'll need tools for it. OSRTT doesn't do screen input lag, but rather system latency.
@@TotallydubbedHD What is the method you use for testing input lag? Do you have an indepth video about this?
@@konchy I don't, it's the same method used by the best in the business - ie from TFT Central and PC Monitors; they've got info on it. But effectively it's not something you'll be able to do. It's called SMTT and is a program that's now no longer available to the public (at least from what I'm aware)!
Can you recommend me a monitor for esport games thats 240hz and ips panel?
and for cs go do you recommend 24.5 monitor or 27?
Size is subjective, but what resolution are you looking at?
@@TotallydubbedHD 1080p, because i play only cs go on 4:3 streched resolution :D
@@kermi99 would suggest watching this then: th-cam.com/video/ihNqHxhSRrQ/w-d-xo.html
@@TotallydubbedHD thank you
Thanks
Pleasure!
a 60hz pro against a 144hz decent player will definitely have it way harder, the 60hz will win slightly or go even.
Pros will always be better than even the most hardcore gamers imo
Whatever one matches your pc specsand display settings in game..
My displays are perfect for my pc specs and in game display settings
I9 12900k rtx 3080ti
Lg c4 55 inch and a
Acer 2k 240hz monitor.
Here's what matters most.. your choice to play in a lazy boy recliner or at a desktop.
The difference from 240hz to 300hz is equivalent to 144hz vs 160-165hz
@@Shan_Shah not really, there's more fluidity between 240-300 Vs what there is between 144-165.
@TotallydubbedHD it's about the same 144hz = 6.94ms and 165hz = 6.06ms which is only a 0.88ms 240hz = 4.17ms and 300hz=3.33ms which is only a 0.84ms difference so they are about the same different, considering you couldn't tell the difference from 144hz and 240hz there is no surprise you can't see the fluidity gain between 144hz and 165hz neither can I, but if you could tell the difference between 240hz and 300hz than the difference from 144hz and 240hz is day and night compared to 240hz vs 300hz the difference from 144hz to 240hz is a 2.77ms which is almost quadruple the difference between 240hz and 300hz
@@Shan_Shah the numbers might yield that as there's diminishing returns at the top end, but the difference in person is more pronounced.
@TotallydubbedHD I could tell the difference between 144hz and 240hz it's not immediately clear it's subtle, but I could still notice it or 165hz to 240 but 240hz vs 300hz I can't tell the difference and jumping to 360hz even that was unnoticeable and jumping to 540hz from 240hz is very slight, 240hz vs 540hz = 120hz vs 165hz.
@@Shan_Shah 180Hz to 240Hz almost feels the same on a 1ms monitor but how because it's like 60 frames more.
if you had the choice between 28'' 4k and 144hz and 27'' 2k and 240hz which would you go with? mainly playing fps, more precisely wz2 (where u basically arent able to reach even close to 240 fps stable) with a 7800xt
2k 240hz if you're going to be playing competitive FPS games.
1440p. I have a rig capable of 4K but still dont bother with 4K. 1440p is the perfect sweet spot for FPS and res.
@@CodeOnBlocks @lilpain1997 appreciate it. got myself the asus tuf VG27AQML1A now with 240hz. was honestly hoping to find sth between 27'" and 32" but the only ones are those 28" 4k ones ...
it probably doesnt make any real sense but im more comfortable with a monitor with a number of HZ evenly divisible by 60 so id skip 144 and 165 for 120 180 240 or 300.
though you could always just set the other two to 120
@@adambester3673 doesn't make much sense lol
I mainly play CS2 and also have about 2.5k game hours on CS(in the same boat as you). I am a competitive player but do not wish to go pro or play tournaments. Here is my situation: I am planning to buy a new pc and have shortlisted 2 PCs with rtx 4070 and 4070 super. 4070 is 200$ cheaper than the 4070super and will push 195fps at 1440p in cs2. With 4070 super I'm assuming it would easily push 240fps on cs2. The monitors i have in mind are the LG Ultragear 27'' 2k 240hz and 165 hz ($100 difference). My question to you: is it worth it to get 4070 Super with 240hz over 4070 with 165hz. The difference between the 2 setups would be $300. Is it really worth $300 to just get extra fps from 165 to 240?
NOTE: I'm sorry for the big question but would really appreciate your help putting this debate in my head to bed. (been losing too much sleep thinking about this lol! Thanks in advance.) Your decision will be my final decision (no pressure haha)
Both GPUs will likely push out over 240hz at 1440p (depending on your settings) on CS2 - I can't suggest or comment about the monitor but would look at my best monitor roundup on my channel.
And yes, I would suggest going for a higher refresh rate monitor, as per the video.
What shock me more than u being able to tell the difference between 240hz and 300hz as there are people who can tell between 144hz and 165hz and knowing they are pretty much equilvant, I was surprised you where able to tell the difference between 144hz and 240hz, those who can tell between 144hz and 165hz tell alone 240hz vs 300hz than the difference from 144hz and 240hz should be a day and night difference, people who can tell the difference from 144hz to 165hz or 240hz vs 300hz could tell the difference between any refresh rate and if you could tell the difference from 270hz to 300hz where there is partially no difference your eyes are ridiculously amazing, even the most competitive winning level tornoment games yes they can tell between 144hz and 165hz but even they have to put mints amount of concentration when comparing these 2, most people can't even tell the difference from 144hz to 300hz, and we know the jump from 240hz to 300hz is ridiculously negligible, what gets me if how you didn't get guess 144hz vs 240hz right. To me, it's like saying you can't tell the difference when jumping from 60hz to 144hz, but you can tell from 144hz to 165hz. Okay the difference from 60 to 144 is bigger but difference from 144hz to 240hz its not day and night it's very subtle let alone 144hz vs 300hz even but compared to 240hz vs 300hz 144hz to 240hz is 4× bigger jump same could be said about 60hz vs 144hz compared to 144hz vs 180 or 240hz.
@@Shan_Shah yup! I did the test because I wanted to see what I could see myself without any bias :)
@TotallydubbedHD no what surprises me you not being able to tell the difference between 144hz and 240hz, if you can tell the difference from 240hz to 300hz which is a 0.8333ms difference under 1ms while 144hz to 240hz very minimal but it's a 2.777ms difference which is day and night compared to 0.833ms, and the thing is once you get to highers hz 0.8333ms is indistinguishable, I know there are outliers out there who could tell the difference between 240hz and 300hz even the most competitors csgo player struggle to see the difference between 120hz vs 144hz = 240hz vs 360hz but let alone everyone sees difference differently what gets me is how you couldn't tell between 144hz and 240hz.
@@Shan_Shah yeah that's what happens when it's a blind test! Interesting results for sure.
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Yup!
I'm good with my 144hz 1440p monitor on pS5
Mhhh...
@@TotallydubbedHD 💥
Sure because ps5 can’t push further
@@jozifantoMaybe For Ps5 Pro in the future
@@vidflu6920ps5 is weak tbh with you.
Hello, what is your main monitor for gaming( exact model )? Thanks
It's now the one in the video, AG274QS. Check the description!
300 hz is best bro for gaming