John Deere vs Fendt || Lemken vs Horsch || Tillage Showdown
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- Get ready for an epic agricultural showdown as we pit two farming giants against each other in the ultimate tillage battle! In this TH-cam video, we bring you a thrilling comparison between the Fendt tractor equipped with a Horsch disk and the John Deere tractor with a Lemken disk.
Join us as we explore the performance, efficiency, and capabilities of these two heavy-duty machines. You’ll witness firsthand the power, precision, and cutting-edge technology behind each tractor-disk combination as they tackle the toughest of fields.
Discover which combination comes out on top in terms of soil preparation, seedbed quality, and fuel efficiency. We’ll provide in-depth insights, expert analysis, and real-world test results to help you make an informed decision for your farming needs.
Whether you’re a farmer looking to upgrade your equipment, an agriculture enthusiast, or simply curious about the latest in farming technology, this tillage showdown is a must-watch. Don’t miss out on this exciting clash of agricultural titans - hit that subscribe button, like the video, and join us for the ultimate Fendt vs. John Deere tillage showdown!
Hey guys, thanks for the video. I am the Hotsch rep in Ontario and it drives me crazy when I see other dealers do demos like this. First off, a joker needs to run at 9-12 mph to get the ground cut properly. There should be a huge rooster tail off the back rollers leaving a nice soft level instead of seeing the drilled look you referred too. Setting a tractor up to run at only 6.5mph doesn’t do you any good at all. You also need to check the profile cut under the ground to see what the ridges look like for a fair comparison. Just looking at the surface is only one part of the equation.
Amen to this! This demo was setup for failure
Very true I know that Fendt was set to go 13 miles an hour just wouldn’t pull it that fast. What’s funny is the local horsch rep set it up.
Great points.
For reps like yourself, social media must drive you crazy......
One more point to consider is the true apples to apples comparison would be the Joker HD not the Joker RX. The Joker HD has 24" discs and is designed to run at 8-10" deep just like the Rubin the RX is a 20" disc and desigemd for "high speed" shallow tillage and as Jeremy said above 9-12mph minimum. (High speed disc) True test would be the Lemken Heliodor vs the Joker RX.
Really like the way you explained everything.
I’m glad I’m doing something right, thanks for watching.
Very excellent video, very informative. This will help many make a better decision on which piece of equipment would work best for their operation.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
I really liked the conclusions at the end. Those are just a small part of USP for Lemken compared with other manufacturers.
Keep up the good work !
I’m glad you liked the video. We will try to keep making good videos.
Go look at the Nebraska Tractor tests. It says the John Deere 8370r tests at 365 and the Fendt 939 test at 345. Second the Horsch disk works better with more speed. It does overlap more and they way I understand the wings is that they aren’t suppose to run on float. The pressure gauge on the front of the machine is suppose to have some pressure on them. Horsch also has a disk that has bigger diameter blades. They are just 24” blades. To get a true comparison you would really need to run either a Rubin 9 or 10 or the Helidor against that Joker RX.
I do appreciate the video and found it very informative.
That’s very interesting. We had the horsch rep come out and set this thing up so as far as setting it up differently, they set it up how they recommend it. I did not know that the John Deere actually had more horsepower, because the fendt dealer kept telling us the fendt had more so that’s good information to know, I’m glad you enjoyed the video. This is just what equipment they had to compare. At the time I know down the road they would like to compare a few more pieces of equipment.
I've been on a 22 ft Lemkin doing fall tillage for a friend of mine for 4 or 5 seasons. At a 5 degree angle it does a beautiful job on cornstalks. He has a single rolling harrow on the back similar to the Horsch. He had a twin basket like yours but it would plug up in wet conditions. Of the high speed disc's in our area the only one that comes close is the new Salford.
Yeah the roller will mud up in wet soil.
Good video, fair comparison.
Glad you enjoyed it
Since I have zero actual farming experience, I like Fendt better just on looks alone. Lemkin looks a lot more user friendly.
The Fendt is pretty nice. I don’t know if we will ever buy one because it is so different to operate than Deere. The lemken is amazing tho.
Would you guys say you prefer the Rubin disc over the karat cultivator to level it out and get it ready for next years crop? I am from central Alberta and we have not found the right tool yet to level out spud fields as we do not want to leave it too fine as the wind can blow like crazy in spring and blow the soil away. We are thinking the karat might be the best option but we haven’t demoed anything yet
We like the Rubin for spuds to chop the vines. The karat likes to plug up on vines
You can get a heavy packer roller that might keep the soil from blowing away
Does it manage slip to maximize fuel efficiency and soil compaction?
They both do that
One more point to consider is the true apples to apples comparison would be the Joker HD not the Joker RX. The Joker HD has 24" discs and is designed to run at 8-10" deep just like the Rubin the RX is a 20" disc and desigemd for "high speed" shallow tillage and as Jeremy said above 9-12mph minimum. (High speed disc) True test would be the Lemken Heliodor vs the Joker RX.
i have no idea but is it now okey for seeding? Or do you need to another application?
For this field we have to go over it again with a chisel plow to prep for potatoes.
As You say, when you have a field with a bigger hight difference, the Lemke is without competition, such a great work horse
It is amazing
Interessting part will be how much fuel you will consum per acre and how fast you wear and tear the discs.
I know the lemken disks will last us at least 2 years maybe more I’m not sure with the horsch and I don’t know on the fuel we didn’t have it for long enough to see.
You should try Vaderstad carier disc 😉👍
I’ll have to look it up. There isn’t a dealer anywhere near me
Fendt CVT transmission is not the best at putting power to the ground. There is a reason JD still sells high HP tractors with power shift transmission. I have seen many videos of JD outperform fendt when the fendt tractor has more HP. I would bet your JD would pull the Horsche faster.
Yeah, I’m not sure how I like the low rpm motor I feel like it would pull harder if it would rev all the way up. The power shift is definitely the most reliable transmission out there.
That's not true CVT from Fendt puts power to the ground no problem.
Not true the Fendt Vario has a HP lost more than 20%, The John deere losses not even 5%. So the vario is worse you can all look it up in the NTT
@@avdven6505 You're probably thinking of the old CVT, Fendts new vario drive puts power to the ground like you wouldn't believe.
What is a chirock ?? You mentioned it works the soil 1 foot down
It’s the lemken karat chisel plow
I don't really understand what the dealer was trying to say by giving you this Joker to test... First of all, you are using the biggest disks on your Lemken, and this Horsch to my understanding is equivalent to European Horsch Joker RT (we do not have Joker RX in Europe). They should have given you at least Joker HD with bigger discs... Lemken is also making Helidor with small discs that are more comparable to Joker. Joker is meant for shallow tillage and stubble cultivation after the harvest at least here in Europe when the Lemken Rubin 12 can be also used for deep tillage and preparing seedbeds. Joker will definitely not be able to do soil leveling as I saw you doing with Rubin in your other video because it was not meant for this kind of work. Also, this Horsh requires a much higher speed than Lemken (I think it is like 10-12 mph). Hydraulic depth control from cab is an option for Horsch too and I'm not sure why would you put wings to float I don't think it's correct.
So this was the closest thing they had available for us to demo. That’s crazy that this would have to be pulled that fast. In order to do that you would need a 600+ horsepower tractor because the 939 would only pull it 6 1/2 miles an hour. And I did try putting the wings down without float, but they pushed down to far and lifted the middle of the disk up.
@@RockyMountainFarmer It might be a little bit different construction for the US market. This year my friends were pulling Joker 6RT (6m or 19-20 feet) around 18km/h (11mph) with JD 8R 340. They don't put it as deep as you in the video as I said it's used for shallow tillage here. It also depends on weather and soil conditions. Here is an older video from me where it was pulled by Fendt 930 and it was pretty wet after rain I think he was going around 8-9 mph - th-cam.com/video/VV45CMITs_w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=stmeIVkpSbJ5fgh_
I would agree, completly different machines, but you have to say there are so many machines out there from every brand. Different weaknesses and strengths so many things to consider. In summary i would say Horsch is as good as Lemken if you compare the same kind of machines. Also both brands are trying to build even bigger and heavier machines to reach higher sales in the US lately
Maybe next year I will try to get a Horsch machine that is more comparable to the Lemken. I know this is all they had at their store for us to try.
Did anyone read the operators manual for the Horsch about how to set the wings in float vs with pressure?
Any chance you can tryout a John Deere autonomous tractor?
That would be pretty awesome. I will have to email John Deere about that.
I don't know I think you look pretty sharp in that tractor on the cart under that big black beast of a combined next year
If we were actually going to compare these two tractors you do an alternating pass across the field with one tractor measuring ground speed, fuel usage, decibels in the cab and comfort....
Then you would swap tractors to use the same Implement and go back across the field with the other tractor comparing all them same specs
When I used to work for John Deere back in the 90s I was so green underwear that when climbing into any other color tractor you're like oh my gosh this thing is so crude and horrible . Now after having a Massey for a few years and spending a couple years with the German tractor as a dealer rep now when I climb in a new John Deere tractor you're like man this thing is crude
when the German tractor came out with their variable transmission you're thinking it was like an old IH hydrostat . Now 30 years later you can see over the decades how John Deere has played copycat catch up
The German tractor far superior engine and transmission, far better warranty, better customer support with the free person a lot of the features they might have similar but you'll notice on the German tractor they're a little more usable. I would say at this point I prefer the German tractor cab over deere
We had tractor uptime statistics and the German wheeled tractors that are built overseas were so far ahead of John Deere and Case IH it wasn't even funny.
There are definitely pros and cons to both.
Love the content but shooting in HDR makes the colour profile too warm not good for viewing don't use HDR mode
I’m not sure how to do that I know it was a cloudy day. I filmed this on an iPhone
@@RockyMountainFarmer on iphone go to click Setting-- click Camera-- click Record video-- scroll down to HDR video and toggle it off. HDR is good when you are shooting long range content but its not good for vlogging
Ok thanks I fixed it
@@RockyMountainFarmer great thanks looking forward for more farming content
Thanks for watching
U should switch the implements on the tractors
We didn’t have time
I’m not a farmer have done some disc work in the past but for me the Fendt better tractor and Lemkin look like it worked the ground way better
The Fendt 939 was pretty nice I just didn’t like the seat. And the lemken is far superior
I our farm is in Germany and in our country are Horsch, Lemken, Pöttinger and also Fendt´s pretty commone and popular
I just found you after watching Mike Mitchel. I realy like your vidios and the side to side comarison
I’m glad you like the videos. I have another comparison video coming out on Thursday.
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Glad you liked the video
Nice hdr cam
Thanks
And plus you need somebody in the fence that actually knows how to drive it because like I said the dude was not even trying to drive it fast he wanted his John Deere to win like usual you can tell
The cruise on the tractor was set to 13 miles an hour so that tractor was literally pulling it as fast as It could.
we got a rt 40 horch and its a peace of crap it jump and makes the field rough like the wash boards on a grave road . the only thing i would buy is a jd vt 2660 or a kuhn 8010 vt i hate all these high speed disc rigs
I think you would like the lemken we haul manure behind it and it’s nice and smooth.
That tractor looks weird with the tracks looks like its missing something
It does look a little funny
Are you two twins? It's like one of those snapchat filters when you put your face in someone else. 😅
We do look a lot alike and we sound a lot alike, but Christopher is four years older than me
Man with all those buttons and technology thats just more stuff to break and more costs to fix
True
the fendt its not on full power, the rpm its 1600, in full power can reach 1900-2000
The max rpm for the Fendt is 1750 I believe
I rented a Fendt Profi (325-350 hp) with a 6 meter Amazone Catros HS Disc (comparable to that Horsch you have there), a few years ago and was able to pull it at full depth 6 to 6.5 " at 8 to 10 mph without a problem (12-14 mph running shallower depth +-3 to 4"). Did you have the Front wheels locked in? I had run several acres without the front wheels engaged when I realized they were not engaged. I thought the tractor was handling it quite well iup to that point. Then I Engaged the front wheels and HOLY SHIT did she start to haul ass! @@RockyMountainFarmer
Not true the Fendt Vario has a HP lost more than 20%, The John deere losses not even 5%. So the vario is worse you can all look it up in the NTT
LEMKEN THE BEST
Lemken is pretty awesome
The reason it's overlapping is because you ain't got to write in your GPS so it's overlapping because of you not because of the tractor it don't need an it can trust me it can diss right up to the line it don't need to be overlapping you just got to messed up brother
Well, the representative from Horsch came out and set it up that way and said that is how it’s supposed to work so I didn’t set it up horsch did. You can see in the video on the side that isn’t working up overlapped ground the end three discs aren’t going as deep.
By no means are my comments negative you do a good job
100 absolutely not would I ever demo this tractor by dropping it off. No way no how not happening. I would get people started on a tillage demo like this do a few rounds with them and then go sit in my pickup let him know that I'll be right back . In that time that he's operating it himself the auto steer is working so they're going to start touching buttons and they are going to have questions. Get back in the cab and have some fun showing them what some of them other buttons can do
If you spend a day with a guy the tractor goes from a space shuttle or intimidating to wow in 5 minutes I've got my automatic Headland turn around set up
That is kinda what the sales guy did he rode with me a while and then came back later and we dialed in a couple things.
fendt doing a better job
Fendt Tractor is pretty nice but it couldn’t go as fast granted they’re not the same disk so who knows I know the fendt cab was smaller and for me being 6 foot six that’s an issue.
1. Your runnning too slow for the Joker. You need to be 8 mph to 10mph. Below 8mph it isnt functioning as designed.
2. Your running an RT and would need a Joker HD for 24in discs.
3. You need 400+ HP tractor
The 939 is 390 hp. And I was going as fast as I could. I don’t know how you could pull it any faster at the depth we need. I guess with an even bigger tractor.
@@RockyMountainFarmer basic calc is ~ 13 to 15hp per ft. Fendt is 300hp at the drawbar and "eco" settings tend to mess with max output. Pay attention to wheel slip too.
One guy who got one could only use his 9560RT (450 at drawbar) to maintain 9 or 10mph. His R model units were incurring ~15+% wheel slip.
I would have a Horsch Rep properly evaluate your needs.
I know how to see the slip on our Deere but I don’t know how to see it in the Fendt. We are going to stick with Lemken because we need the 29 inch disks to work up the spud ground.
This video would make a whole lot more sense if half it was the Horsch on the one tractor then on the other. Switch the implement between the tractors for a comparison!!
Also row crop duals tires vs tracked? What are me measuring excaxtly? In Europe row crop tires serve a very specific need, and when that’s not needed they are NOT being used. The worst kind of tires you can put on your tractor EVER period. They serve one very specific goal and nothing else.
You’re comparing tracks to row crop duals, throw some LSW 25 psi on that Fendt and watch it get to work
th-cam.com/video/onJsGHT7Bz8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=VeFsPHDcV99MXBve
See for yourself. If you have the money to spend on a Fendt, put it to work. The MAN engine will pay you back it doesn’t rev, use the front PTO, get LSW tires with weights and simply watch it pay you back in fuel consumption. And for god sake, learn how to drive VARIO and ditch the row crop tires, use an older tractor for the row crop work! You’ve purchased a behemoth, use it as such.
We did not purchase the Fendt it was a demo from the dealer so we had no part in setting it up. I’m sure there is a better configuration but this is what they had. If we bought one it would be set up a little better for what we do. Thanks for the input
@@RockyMountainFarmer you could have at least switched the implements. For next time you should, how can you compare performance when you put two completely different tractors on different setups, using different implements, and make a video about it?
I’ve only driven R series John Deere’s who’re actually quite comparable to the the Fendt except user comfort and fuel management. But you’re putting a tracked vs a row crop without showing performance using the equipment you’re comparing them to? Lessons to be learned.
If you’re gonna review a Fendt use the front hitch, put it on decent tires and don’t review it on speed, review it on work done (single pass, 2 or 3 jobs done, and fuel management. Put it on decent tires, and take comfort into account. That’s the Fendt is build for and why it’s loved in Europe.
If you don’t have the capability to do that would you agree with me that this video is kind of clickbait? I’m not attacking you, I’m giving constructive feedback because I love your videos.
Definitely not clickbait we did test the disks at the same speed. The Fendt with duals has similar traction to the Deere. We were mainly testing the disks but having different brands of tractors was nice to compare a little we simply didn’t have time to compare every aspect of the tractor or change how it was setup. We were at the mercy of the Fendt dealer.
@@RockyMountainFarmer I mean, there’s a difference between ft. and vs. you know that right? Not even trying to bitch here I was hoping you’d switch implements just to get a comparison. But then in the video you do actually compare both tractors working different implements so… what do you want me to say? 😅
The tractors are very similar traction and power
you need to compare apples to apples the lemkin should be compared to the Horsch Joker HD not the RX the HD has 24 in blades and then you will the Horsch is the better machine and you do not say what the HP difference was between the Fent and JD
I know that the disks weren’t exactly the same but that’s what the dealer had to bring out. The Fendt had 20 more HP
Anything that uses those rubber torsion mounts is garbage. They dont stay in the ground at all if its hard. The rubin 12 will get to depth. You set any other to 6" and itll only get to 2" max. They also bounce, get into a rythmic bounce at speed. Totally worthless.
Yeah I didn’t like it
Horsch is better and it's doing a better job
Horsch is only better if you have to go slow. It is much less adjustable and cannot go as deep. Also it doesn’t break up the dirt clods as good, and it only works in certain crops. We would never be able to use it in potato ground. It would just plug up constantly.
You need a Tiger for potato ground. The joker has a max depth of 4” it’s not a deep tool. It’s meant to work the aerobic zone of the soil and incorporate residue. Try the Tiger MT
When you buy foreign owned products, the profits are going back to the country of origin of the products.
REMEMBER THAT.
So please do your best to support American owned manufacturers as they are every bit as good and some even better.
All of our tractors are John Deere but our tillage equipment are Lemken because they are the best
Also fendt is owned by agco which is a US company
The fendts on the US market are made in Minnesota I believe. They originate out of Germany but got bought by agco which is US based
Exactly
@@Beyonder8335only the former tracked Challenger tractors are made in the US, all the wheeled tractors are being made in Germany
Очень даже глупо сравнивать колесную с гусеничним трктором...да и агрегати от разних производителей
OK well I guess everybody has an opinion