Why is an e scooter banned? I prefer it because i can take it with me in a coffee shop or office ... Unlike an ebike that can be stolen... This law is just That dumb.
Let's start a *eScooter* *Legalisation* *Movement* *Europe* . I live in small country side town with population of ~10k and it is illegal for me to ride to the Tesco on my M365 scooter even if I only use bicycle lines. I *dont* even have to drive *on* *the* *road* and it is still illegal. This is nuts.
I am looking for an alternative to the Brompton electric that I love. Can you drive it as a bike, only with the lights on, using the gears on flat terrains and the electric assistance only on hills. That's what I am looking for. A good foldable bike that can also be electrical in my hilly city, but doesnt't need to be.
Super video, thank you I have two questions: does the bike have a CE mark? Could you theoretically glue the gas handle so that it becomes legal in EU? Thanks a lot
Hi Martin I travel to Amsterdam often I always rent a bike but it would be cheaper to just buy a bike is the still the best on you've tested for the price. Also can you please do a review on the z20 max please.
This ebike would be perfect if it had a 350 - 500 watt motor, a *torque sensor, and a max net weight of 19 KG (including the battery weight). *Torque sensors are really important for making pedalling feel natural and less delayed - essentially, torque sensors give you a more natural pedalling feeling than the alternative cadence sensors.
So you are legal to drive in pedal assistance, or low lvl, but you are illegal to drive in mid and high mode, where the gas handle is used. How do you explain to traffic police in Netherlands that you drive ONLY in low mode?😕 I have the same dillema here in Germany. I see only way round to be removed the gas handle and replace with ordinary handle.
You can't explain that to the Police. Either you remove/replace the handle (I wonder if low/medium assist mode still works after that) or register it as a different kind of vehicle (license plate, etc.)
Great review, Im down to this ord someone like it. But when I watch you ride sometimes I see a strange silver cylindar stick under the pedals. What is that? It looks easy enough to break unintentionally? Cheers!
How protected is this bike against theft? Do you suggest removing the seat when going to the supermarket or gym for example? I live in a country where bike theft is very prevalent. Great review btw.
They are banned in most of Europe because *people* *were* *supposed* *to* *overpay* *extra* *taxes* for their petrol cars and feel ashamed. Not just buy a simple and cheep solution to move about using clean energy. Guess it is hard to make money on *climate* *lobbying* if there is nothing left to fight for.
@@krzysztofkwietniewski9100 They're not banned in most of Europe at all. In fact, most countries allow them in one shape or form. The Netherlands just isn't one of those countries (which does suck).
Espectacular e-bike: la utilizo para hacer 40 km cada dia, y si la conduzco en modo eco y medio, me aguanta sin problemas, con un desnivel en cada recorrido de 20 Km de 200 metros de subida y de bajada, y un peso de 90 kg. Aspectos negativos a destacar: las pinzas y discos de freno que son de pesima calidad (hay que cambiarlos); la luz trasera es penosa (no va alimentada con la bateria); la luz frontal es muy mejorable; y los guardabarros son una mierda literal. No pagaria más de 550€, que creo que es su precio justo. Sustituyendo las pinzas y los discos de freno, la e-bike sube a otro nivel. Yo ademas la he añadido luces delanteras y posteriores (con intermitentes) porque circulo también de noche.
@@carlosch6894 el timon se ajusta: hay un tornillo de apriete cuando abres el timón… no se ve a primera vista, pero es lo que endurece esa unión y disminuyen mucho los temblores. agemás, si le pones una goma de un milímetro que haga de almohadilla (tipo lo que se pone en el Xiaomi 365), no notarás más vibraciones
@@carlosch6894 La recomiendo pero, entre comillas: ¿tú para que la vas a usar? Es importante saber para que la quieres: yo por ejemplo, la utilizaba diariamente para ir a trabajar, haciendo 40 Km en total, por la noche, y con necesidades de capacidad de alforjas, con suspensión y excelentes frenos. Yo me compré otra, que vale muchísimo más (4600€ una Bergamont E-Horizon FS Expert), y con la que realmente voy a gusto. La Himo, para ir cada día al trabajo como yo necesito cada día no me era tan cómoda. A parte, que cuando se te rompa un radio vas a flipar para encontrar repuestos.
I’ve had this bike for a few months. It’s generally good, but damn, it’s heavy (as you mentioned) I’m glad I’m moving to a flat next month which has an elevator and I won’t have to carry it upstairs anymore!
Great review! I am happy I discovered your channel yesterday. I love how chill and on-point your reviews are plus you showcase all the cool gadgets that I and perhaps many people haven’t seen before. 🙏🏼😌✨
Might be worth noting that there is a difference in legality based on the right registration. E-Bikes up till 25km/h without full auto mode are fine. All E-Bikes with full auto mode, regardless of speed, need to be registered as "snorfiets" and are therefore required to have a blue licenseplate. Which makes them subject to more requirements, f.e. helmet and specific demands regarding functionality like lighting, mirrors and what not (don't know the exact specs). So not necessarily illegal, but subject to further requirements.
Mijn Z20 staat inmiddels op 6170 kilometer, ik heb de fiets sinds augustus 2021, wat heb ik veranderd aan de fiets, de remmen, zijn nu hydraulisch en dat is een stuk fijner, ik ben van 6 naar 7 versnellingen gegaan, heb nu fijnere verhoudingen. Crankstel veranderd, lite-pro, is nu 53 tanden, andere derailleur, schakelt fijner, een ander stuur, zit ik iets rechter, fiets in de blanke lak gezet, stukke mooier. Wat is er allemaal kapot gegaan, drie keer een nieuwe controller vanwege vocht, tijdens de regen gaat het mis, nu de controller in het frame achter de accu geplaatst en nergens last meer van. Trapas is kapot gegaan en dat was het wel, binnenkort de banden vervangen,.. groeten uit Brabant,
This bike has a throttle handle and it can go on full electric mode without pedalling (altough you need to set it in motion first, either by pushing, pedaling, gravity, etc.). The presence of a throttle handle no longer qualifies this as an electric bike on some (all?) EU countries. Beware that some bike repair shops may refuse to accept this bike. (true story)
Hey Martijn, Thank you for a thorough legit on point no BS review. Can you please help me on which one to choose between Fiido D4S vs HIMO Z20? looking forward to your reply. Btw I commute on an average 20kms/day :)
I am disappointed with this bike, it has a low-power motor, small wheels, no shock absorbers, low speed and no settings can increase its speed, but the fact that it can drive 80 km on one battery charge is a lie
Hi there, please confirm is the top speed without any pedalling / so pure electric mode - is 25kph??? Haha also white or grey color... which looks better in person. Thanks!
BIG MISTAKE buying this bike. It broke after only 2 months of use. They recommended to change the settings, it worked for another 3 weeks and broke again. So they recommended to check the cables. Worked for a week, broke again. None of the solutions worked anymore, until it miraculously started working after not using it for a while. After a week - broke again. It has been on and off for 5 MONTHS now... The customer service sending EMPTY MESSAGES to mark my case as solved in the system. Please DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY on their products.
Small note: the rear light works with batteries (this is why it opens manually and not by a button) and will thus work even when you have no energy left.
FOLKS, DON'T BUY THIS E-BIKE!!! just received one, the moment you open it you realize the low quality, the moment I wanted to cycle the chain got loosed, the repair shop showed me how it's impossible to fix it, front tire was almost jammed, the rear break almost didn't work. And many other issues, I haven't tried other bikes but this one is definitely not a good one.
Im thinking about purchasing the bike.What do you think can be done about the seat? I also live in the Netherlands and they stole my seat more than once! Thanks!!
I got this bike it's a waste of money the brakes are terrible the range isnt what it says I weigh 74 kg and it only goes roughly 21kmph not 25 and today the handlebars snapped clean off at the base , the metal literally snapped in 2 while I was riding it I would of gone flying in front of a car if that happened In a main road I was lucky I was only going less than 20 through my estate
What is your opinion regarding the HIMO z16? Never used 20 or 16 inch bikes, so i need more advice. I want to use it on some uphill roads in the city for mainly short distances. should i get ebike with more watts? my height is 170
Hoi Martijn, weet jij toevallig hoe deze fiets uitgelezen kan worden en wat je ervoor nodig hebt om dat te doen? Heb tot nu toe nog geen enkele fietsenmaker gevonden die de Himo wil repareren. Ze kennen dit systeem niet enz. Heb de fiets nog niet zo lang maar maak mij zorgen dat ik in hem in de toekomst mijn fiets kan laten maken. Hoop van je te horen/ lezen. Groet Jackson
hello I would like to know if the fact that there is no suspension for the city is it unpleasant to drive? is the z16 better? is it possible to change the battery for a more powerful one of 500w for example? can we increase the speed with computer software? best regards and thank you for your video
What a substantial review!
Just got one myself and love it . Great review .
Just a correction, the tail light doesn't use the bike's battery power, it works with two AA batteries if I am not mistaken.
True, got a bit too excited when recording and didn't notice my mistake there.. Apologies!
Why is an e scooter banned? I prefer it because i can take it with me in a coffee shop or office ... Unlike an ebike that can be stolen... This law is just That dumb.
Same here in Australia certain states e scooter banned but e bikes ok.
accidents with dead chilrend; forced the governoment to ban them in netherlands, and lots ot deaths, more than expected
In NSW, Australia, bikes are even banned from footpath but we still ride on the footpaths 😂
Wonderful to have on hand for little ones.
Great review ...... always informative ..
Let's start a *eScooter* *Legalisation* *Movement* *Europe* .
I live in small country side town with population of ~10k and it is illegal for me to ride to the Tesco on my M365 scooter even if I only use bicycle lines.
I *dont* even have to drive *on* *the* *road* and it is still illegal.
This is nuts.
Literally, everywhere I go in the Netherlands, I see people with electric scooter. Specially that brand. La Souris. How come they are not legal??
not a perfect e-bike, but I love it.
I am looking for an alternative to the Brompton electric that I love. Can you drive it as a bike, only with the lights on, using the gears on flat terrains and the electric assistance only on hills. That's what I am looking for. A good foldable bike that can also be electrical in my hilly city, but doesnt't need to be.
Ik wil echt eentje man, elektrische vouwfietsen zijn de toekomst!
Super video, thank you
I have two questions: does the bike have a CE mark?
Could you theoretically glue the gas handle so that it becomes legal in EU?
Thanks a lot
Good point.
I wonder if you could remove the electrical cable from the throttle handle altogether while it still assists you in pedalling...
@@hugoleote it is legal in Finland but i had to take insurance.
Hi Martin I travel to Amsterdam often I always rent a bike but it would be cheaper to just buy a bike is the still the best on you've tested for the price. Also can you please do a review on the z20 max please.
excellent review! how about a rear mad flap?
This ebike would be perfect if it had a 350 - 500 watt motor, a *torque sensor, and a max net weight of 19 KG (including the battery weight).
*Torque sensors are really important for making pedalling feel natural and less delayed - essentially, torque sensors give you a more natural pedalling feeling than the alternative cadence sensors.
What bike has those features? Lemme know if you find one I want to get that.
So you are legal to drive in pedal assistance, or low lvl, but you are illegal to drive in mid and high mode, where the gas handle is used. How do you explain to traffic police in Netherlands that you drive ONLY in low mode?😕 I have the same dillema here in Germany. I see only way round to be removed the gas handle and replace with ordinary handle.
You can't explain that to the Police.
Either you remove/replace the handle (I wonder if low/medium assist mode still works after that) or register it as a different kind of vehicle (license plate, etc.)
Hi, nice review... But did you mention topspeed?
4:23 - probably in the next model. Are there other bikes with regenerative energy? Xiaomi's S1 scooter did.
Throttle is banned here in NSW, Australia too.
Hoi Martijn, thx voor de video. Beveel jij de Fiido D11 op de Z20 aan?
Just ordered the PVY Z20 pro, did I mess up?
Oh shi. How did they not include a USB port? 😢 My $20 4000mAh battery even ha SA charging USB port for phone off eBay.
Great review, Im down to this ord someone like it. But when I watch you ride sometimes I see a strange silver cylindar stick under the pedals. What is that? It looks easy enough to break unintentionally? Cheers!
It is the integrated pump, which was not closed properly.
dear martijn iam over 6 inch tall will it possible to ride this thing? Thanks and love from Greece Athens to Holland
I am myself 1.88m and I believe someone a bit over 190cm should be able to comfortably sit on it as well. :)
so almost wonderful beautiful video friend
Hee Martijn, vind je deze beter dan de 4DS?
The ad says 80km. 😂
More like ~40 km range.
How protected is this bike against theft? Do you suggest removing the seat when going to the supermarket or gym for example? I live in a country where bike theft is very prevalent. Great review btw.
The seat and the battery. The battery is almost half the cost of the bike. Buy a very good lock too. :)
+ use a 16 mm chain.
Hello can u help me what to choose z20 or d4s ? I found them at the same price.
Hey how tall are you ? I'm same weight as you I just want to know if it's comfortable for taller person. thank you
Why the heck are electric scooters and e-bikes banned in some places?
They are banned in most of Europe because *people* *were* *supposed* *to* *overpay* *extra* *taxes* for their petrol cars and feel ashamed.
Not just buy a simple and cheep solution to move about using clean energy.
Guess it is hard to make money on *climate* *lobbying* if there is nothing left to fight for.
@@krzysztofkwietniewski9100 They're not banned in most of Europe at all. In fact, most countries allow them in one shape or form. The Netherlands just isn't one of those countries (which does suck).
@@meeskees702 and England:(
Yup.. But I haven't seen many reports of scooters getting confiscated right?
@@MartijnWester "Nearly 100 e-scooter users stopped in London one week" article from BBC. They put their hammer down on e-scoters in the capital.
wat is het verschil tussen z20 en z16
Come to Sydney, it's really hilly. 😂
Hee Martijn, ga je deze nog verkopen?
I got the same bike i never knew about the pump lmao😂😂
I’m a shortie!! What’s the seat height at the lowest setting??
The seat post has a really big range. For 170 cm the seat post is somewhere to the middle.
How fast is 25km per hour
1km=0,621 mile.
25km-15,5 mile
About 7 meters per second
I have z16 with suspension
Wat is de bandenmaat op de Z20? 20 inch weet ik maar de breedte enz... iemand die het weet?
2.125, 57-406
Espectacular e-bike: la utilizo para hacer 40 km cada dia, y si la conduzco en modo eco y medio, me aguanta sin problemas, con un desnivel en cada recorrido de 20 Km de 200 metros de subida y de bajada, y un peso de 90 kg.
Aspectos negativos a destacar: las pinzas y discos de freno que son de pesima calidad (hay que cambiarlos); la luz trasera es penosa (no va alimentada con la bateria); la luz frontal es muy mejorable; y los guardabarros son una mierda literal.
No pagaria más de 550€, que creo que es su precio justo. Sustituyendo las pinzas y los discos de freno, la e-bike sube a otro nivel. Yo ademas la he añadido luces delanteras y posteriores (con intermitentes) porque circulo también de noche.
De acuerdo con respecto a los guardabarros, jejeje.
Y las uniones plegables se desgastan , me refiero a si el timón tiembla x eso?
@@carlosch6894 el timon se ajusta: hay un tornillo de apriete cuando abres el timón… no se ve a primera vista, pero es lo que endurece esa unión y disminuyen mucho los temblores. agemás, si le pones una goma de un milímetro que haga de almohadilla (tipo lo que se pone en el Xiaomi 365), no notarás más vibraciones
@@joanagullo entonces la recomiendas , no requiere tanto esfuerzo como una bici tradicional?
@@carlosch6894 La recomiendo pero, entre comillas: ¿tú para que la vas a usar?
Es importante saber para que la quieres: yo por ejemplo, la utilizaba diariamente para ir a trabajar, haciendo 40 Km en total, por la noche, y con necesidades de capacidad de alforjas, con suspensión y excelentes frenos. Yo me compré otra, que vale muchísimo más (4600€ una Bergamont E-Horizon FS Expert), y con la que realmente voy a gusto.
La Himo, para ir cada día al trabajo como yo necesito cada día no me era tan cómoda.
A parte, que cuando se te rompa un radio vas a flipar para encontrar repuestos.
Can you roll it when it's folded or do you have to lift the bike.
Yeah!...I would very much like to know either. Because its a bit heavy, could you "push" it in front of you while walking to the train?
@@m.o.bleeker5164 i will get my bike to morrow so I will try it to make a video of that.. Maybe I can send the video link here
You can, but it's a bit heavy.
Fiido d4s goes 80km on a single charge
Super 👌
Thank you! 🙏🏼😌✨
whats the wieght of this bike
21,6 kg
Hı, Wat is Max speed?
25kmh
@@hasan_z not 40kmh :(?
I think this bike is too small for a 170 cm height man, as you will not extend the leg tu fullest. The seat should extend 10 cm more .
You may search himo C26 if you need a big bike
Bro trade this bike to me for a couple of shoes ☺
I just sold mine today.. i am kinda sad ..
Why did u do it bro
second
Awesome, thanks for the support buddy!
First
Wow! You're fast! Thanks for the support Ziyaad!
4:23 Since the tail light uses it's own batteries it should work on it's own regardless if the bike ran out of juice.
I’ve had this bike for a few months. It’s generally good, but damn, it’s heavy (as you mentioned) I’m glad I’m moving to a flat next month which has an elevator and I won’t have to carry it upstairs anymore!
However any standard normal sized ebike is at least 25kg, so that helps a bit ;)
Great review! I am happy I discovered your channel yesterday. I love how chill and on-point your reviews are plus you showcase all the cool gadgets that I and perhaps many people haven’t seen before. 🙏🏼😌✨
Thank you so much! Welcome aboard! :)
Might be worth noting that there is a difference in legality based on the right registration. E-Bikes up till 25km/h without full auto mode are fine. All E-Bikes with full auto mode, regardless of speed, need to be registered as "snorfiets" and are therefore required to have a blue licenseplate. Which makes them subject to more requirements, f.e. helmet and specific demands regarding functionality like lighting, mirrors and what not (don't know the exact specs). So not necessarily illegal, but subject to further requirements.
Yep. This device sits in a legal gray area.
I guess the problem is that throttle handle (and/or the full electric mode).
Mijn Z20 staat inmiddels op 6170 kilometer, ik heb de fiets sinds augustus 2021, wat heb ik veranderd aan de fiets, de remmen, zijn nu hydraulisch en dat is een stuk fijner, ik ben van 6 naar 7 versnellingen gegaan, heb nu fijnere verhoudingen. Crankstel veranderd, lite-pro, is nu 53 tanden, andere derailleur, schakelt fijner, een ander stuur, zit ik iets rechter, fiets in de blanke lak gezet, stukke mooier. Wat is er allemaal kapot gegaan, drie keer een nieuwe controller vanwege vocht, tijdens de regen gaat het mis, nu de controller in het frame achter de accu geplaatst en nergens last meer van. Trapas is kapot gegaan en dat was het wel, binnenkort de banden vervangen,.. groeten uit Brabant,
This bike has a throttle handle and it can go on full electric mode without pedalling (altough you need to set it in motion first, either by pushing, pedaling, gravity, etc.). The presence of a throttle handle no longer qualifies this as an electric bike on some (all?) EU countries.
Beware that some bike repair shops may refuse to accept this bike. (true story)
Maybe Xaoimi will come up with the technology that it will generate power and store that energy to the battery while pedalling or on a downhill.🤔
Hey Martijn, Thank you for a thorough legit on point no BS review. Can you please help me on which one to choose between Fiido D4S vs HIMO Z20? looking forward to your reply. Btw I commute on an average 20kms/day :)
Thanks Abdul! I would rather go for the z20, then de fiido d11 and then the d4s, with 20km a day, you want bigger wheels for more comfort :)
kind of wish that i got this instead of the d4s just for battery safety reasons and better build quality. May swap eventually
Never cease to amaze me the quantity of regulations, prohibitions, buracracy that it's in every European Union country, it's disgusting
I am disappointed with this bike, it has a low-power motor, small wheels, no shock absorbers, low speed and no settings can increase its speed, but the fact that it can drive 80 km on one battery charge is a lie
Hi there, please confirm is the top speed without any pedalling / so pure electric mode - is 25kph???
Haha also white or grey color... which looks better in person. Thanks!
Yes. On full electric mode it emits a beep over 25 kph and stops helping you. Of course you can go faster than that by pedalling.
How to reset Trip?
BIG MISTAKE buying this bike. It broke after only 2 months of use. They recommended to change the settings, it worked for another 3 weeks and broke again. So they recommended to check the cables. Worked for a week, broke again. None of the solutions worked anymore, until it miraculously started working after not using it for a while. After a week - broke again. It has been on and off for 5 MONTHS now... The customer service sending EMPTY MESSAGES to mark my case as solved in the system. Please DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY on their products.
Small note: the rear light works with batteries (this is why it opens manually and not by a button) and will thus work even when you have no energy left.
FOLKS, DON'T BUY THIS E-BIKE!!! just received one, the moment you open it you realize the low quality, the moment I wanted to cycle the chain got loosed, the repair shop showed me how it's impossible to fix it, front tire was almost jammed, the rear break almost didn't work. And many other issues, I haven't tried other bikes but this one is definitely not a good one.
This brand has no connection with xiaomi
Hi. Great review.
in your opinion,
Himo Z20 or Fiido D11?
Im thinking about purchasing the bike.What do you think can be done about the seat? I also live in the Netherlands and they stole my seat more than once! Thanks!!
Thanks for your videos on ebike ...
Wat is de minimumlengte voor dit fietsje? Denk je dat mijn kinderen van 1 meter 40 er op passen? Of op de ADO 20F?
I got this bike it's a waste of money the brakes are terrible the range isnt what it says I weigh 74 kg and it only goes roughly 21kmph not 25 and today the handlebars snapped clean off at the base , the metal literally snapped in 2 while I was riding it I would of gone flying in front of a car if that happened In a main road I was lucky I was only going less than 20 through my estate
It's definitely not an offroad bike.
What is your opinion regarding the HIMO z16? Never used 20 or 16 inch bikes, so i need more advice. I want to use it on some uphill roads in the city for mainly short distances. should i get ebike with more watts? my height is 170
Same question
whats your height?
Very helpful review, thank you!
if you put this bike into the train in netherlands you need to pay?
Not when folded :)
Deet the set can be more up then I see in the video? Thank you..
are there plugs to be able to remove the back wheel?
Does anyone have a loud braking sound when breaking on the Z20 ? Or it os only mine unit ? Please reply
in Romania it costs 630 EUR, my petrol on my car costs me 400 per month...
Thanks for the review...would you recommend it for someone with 90 Kg and 1m80? Thanks
Bump!
Bump!
you can try it in a bike shop i guess
Hi. I am very short. I’d like to know What minimum seat height can be set?
Tank you for this video...
You don't have a more coupon disccount?
Hoi Martijn, weet jij toevallig hoe deze fiets uitgelezen kan worden en wat je ervoor nodig hebt om dat te doen? Heb tot nu toe nog geen enkele fietsenmaker gevonden die de Himo wil repareren. Ze kennen dit systeem niet enz. Heb de fiets nog niet zo lang maar maak mij zorgen dat ik in hem in de toekomst mijn fiets kan laten maken. Hoop van je te horen/ lezen. Groet Jackson
the air pump tip was sticking out at 2:14 and at 4:12. is this a concern for safety?
hello I would like to know if the fact that there is no suspension for the city is it unpleasant to drive? is the z16 better? is it possible to change the battery for a more powerful one of 500w for example? can we increase the speed with computer software? best regards and thank you for your video
🚴🏼♂️Like 👍🏻
What tools I need to have to fix it after unboxing?
By the way, I read the rear light should have own battery, not like front battery?
Yes, my mistake! That's correct. And all the tools for installation are in the box :)
Great video, Martijn! Do you think it's possible to install a child/baby seat on this bike at all?
Moet je hier nou eigenlijk een kenteken voor hebben omdat deze volledig elektrisch kan rijden?
Can you give us an update, how is the build quality after much use?
Leuke video ik zit te twijfelen deze fiets of de Xiaomi Qicycle.
Hey Martijn,
Kun je het zadel vervangen door bv een Selle royal drifter zadel?
Of moet de hele pen dan vervangen worden?
Alvast bedankt!
Gr..
Can we put child carrier at the back?
is this bike suitable for off road?
What do you choose between Xiaomi Z20 vs Fiido D2S?
I think it's to small for you!
Nice one
Thanks 🔥
It's a best alternative really do